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Speaker 4: It is Wednesday, February twenty eight, twenty twenty four, Season nineteen,

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Speaker 4: episode number one fourteen. Welcome to the latest edition of

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Speaker 4: The Break. Life in the SWBC Mortgage Studios at the Star.

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Speaker 4: Brian is on his final week of hiatus. He's out

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Speaker 4: covering the Rangers out in Surprise, Arizona. But he will

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Speaker 4: be back next week, but for this week, we are

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Speaker 4: holding it down. We got Amber Patrick here. We got

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Speaker 4: a lot to talk about. There are some things that

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Speaker 4: have been happening around the NFL scouting combine some different

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Speaker 4: things we've heard in some interviews. We're going to react

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Speaker 4: to some of that stuff, and then we're going to

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Speaker 4: get into free agency. As we mentioned last week, we're

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Speaker 4: going to talk about the vast list of Cowboys players

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Speaker 7: Four pm Eastern time. Is when pen can meet paper.

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Speaker 4: I love having a reporter on our show.

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Speaker 4: Hoops, he doesn't read. But that's OK, that's a different story.

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Speaker 4: We'll talk about that at a different time. We'll talk

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Speaker 4: about that later, all right, so let's let's jump in.

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Speaker 4: I do want to start though, with some of the

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Speaker 4: comments that we've been hearing out of the scouting combine.

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Speaker 4: We have a couple of few people down there, Patrick Walker,

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, not Patrick Walker, Nick Harrison, right, Traditionally, Nick

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Speaker 4: Harris and Nicole are out there covering the scouting combine.

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Speaker 4: They and a couple other people from the media. Local

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Speaker 4: media caught up with Stephen Jones and the first thing

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Speaker 4: regards to Trayvon Diggs de marveon overshown, he said, it's

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Speaker 4: more realistic to recover that the recover will will they

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Speaker 4: for the open of training camp. Here's the question after you, guys,

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Speaker 4: because obviously that's great news for the Cowboys that they

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Speaker 4: about how you look at this offseason with regards to

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Speaker 4: the cornerback position and the linebacker position on what you

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Speaker 4: think you need to do knowing that you'll have those

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Speaker 4: don't even think about it as having those guys back.

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Speaker 4: I have to address those positions.

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Speaker 8: I think when it comes to Treyvon Diggs, you do

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Speaker 8: look at it as having a guy back. I mean

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Speaker 8: So I think the the the attack that should happen

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Speaker 8: When it comes to Marveon Overshown, though, you have to

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Speaker 8: approach it as if he's not coming back. Not to

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Speaker 8: Very impressive training camp, very impressive preseason before he went

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Speaker 8: You don't know, but you do know what Trevon Diggs.

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Speaker 8: The only thing that's the question mark on Diggs is

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Speaker 8: how quickly can he get back to form? But you

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Speaker 9: of free agency, I mean, and address some of those positions.

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Speaker 9: Like he said, I totally agree Overshawn. He's a guy

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Speaker 9: at the same time, he doesn't have that kind of

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Speaker 9: so he still has a lot to learn and go through.

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Speaker 9: Like you said, Dag, he's an experienced guy, but you

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Speaker 9: still have to address the cornerback position. We have two

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Speaker 9: I do agree go in. You have to address both positions,

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Speaker 9: don't know what the future holds for Leyen vanderz. He

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Speaker 9: that's a that's a big concern. So I would say

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Speaker 8: I'll even add this to it, and all points Darren

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Speaker 8: Bart even if the Marvion overshown, even if you wanted

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Speaker 8: breakout season as a rookie. That's a great challenge to have,

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Speaker 7: So no knock to Buddy. That's funny things.

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Speaker 4: When you say Buddy Johnson, a lot of fans out

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Speaker 8: No knock to Buddy Johnson. No, but Buddy Johnson is

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Speaker 8: not going to solve your linebacker. Probably you have to

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Speaker 8: we're talking expiring contracts, assuming that these contracts are not

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Speaker 4: To as we were on the media side, on the

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Speaker 8: You're talking about guys like Bobby Wagoner for example. These

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Speaker 8: you still need to attack it in the draft as well.

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Speaker 8: So regardless of where you think Overshown might land or

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Speaker 7: That's that's a bit different.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, But you know, I think both the points you

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Speaker 9: And I'm still sticking to that whole quote that Jerry

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Speaker 8: Well, keep in mind, being all in can be the

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Speaker 7: Knowing that you need a linebacker. You skip over that, and.

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Speaker 8: I start starting offensive tackle and you skip over center.

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Speaker 8: Like those are three positions for example, that if none

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll hold judgment on what I think all Land

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Speaker 4: Welcome Back. It is the second segment of the Breaking

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Speaker 4: Slide from Your Real Live from the SWBC Mortgage Studios

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Speaker 4: at the Star. We're talking about some statements and some

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Speaker 4: news coming out of the NFL scouting combine that's happening

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Speaker 4: all week this week. Another statement that Stephen Jones had

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Speaker 4: that I thought was interesting. He was talking about Tyler

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Speaker 4: and Smith and was talking about the possibility of him

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Speaker 4: moving to left tackle and oh yeah, this segment brought

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Speaker 7: It's a pity for me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, honestly, Doctors was saying, I love this question that

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Speaker 4: you're about to go. I love this idea with this convertation.

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Speaker 7: I think it was to serve both purposes.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, here was the quote I like you said, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'm with you. The quote was that remains to be seen.

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Speaker 4: It's starting to feel like Larry Allen all over again.

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Speaker 4: Tyler's got that in him, and he was talking specifically.

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Speaker 4: It's about about his versatility, it's ability. What do you

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Speaker 4: think Tyler Smith belongs and what do you think he

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Speaker 4: ends up?

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Speaker 9: Honestly, personally at this point of his career. I know

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Speaker 9: he's starting out and he's still very early, but based

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Speaker 9: on everything that he has shown, I would defer more

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Speaker 9: to putting him in that category. And I don't want

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Speaker 9: to take him to the category of Tyrone Smith or

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Speaker 9: Zach Martin, but I feel that the work is put

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Speaker 9: in deserves for him to have a voice and opinion

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Speaker 9: as to where he would prefer playing, where does he

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Speaker 9: feel more comfortable playing, And then I would go based

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Speaker 9: on that because I I think he can play both

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Speaker 9: positions and I think he would be really good at both.

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Speaker 9: But just going back to what I remember Zach Martin

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Speaker 9: when he was asked to play tackle and him being like, hey,

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Speaker 9: he did it. He was fine at it, but he

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Speaker 9: didn't want to. And I'm not saying again, and I'm

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Speaker 9: not saying because I'm maybe contradicting some of my opinions

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Speaker 9: in the past, where I think like you, as a

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Speaker 9: as a leader, as the one in charge, you have

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Speaker 9: the voice to say, hey, this is where I need you,

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Speaker 9: and you better do it. Just do it. This is

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Speaker 9: what I'm asking you to do and what we're paying

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Speaker 9: you for. But at the same time, I think it's

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Speaker 9: reached that level in my opinion, to where I think

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Speaker 9: he deserves to be heard and decide exactly what position.

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Speaker 9: And then I would go from that point forward and decide, Okay,

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Speaker 9: what other what's the other do I need to address guard?

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Speaker 9: Or do I need to address the tackle position?

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Speaker 8: First of all, I'm sitting here thinking it's wild that

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Speaker 8: we're already in year three of Tyler Smith. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 8: good grief, Okay, I feel like you keep them at

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Speaker 8: left guard now. Over the course of last season, with

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Speaker 8: the carousel of injuries on the offensive line, I said

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Speaker 8: in the same seat, and I said, the easiest solution,

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Speaker 8: the best solution, is to pop Tyler Smith out of

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Speaker 8: left tackle. Whenever the absence of Tyron Smith came around,

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Speaker 8: and that was the plan that would have worked in

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Speaker 8: that aspect. Now you fast forward, they were hell bent.

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Speaker 8: Mike mccarthury was hell bent on keeping Tyler Smith at

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Speaker 8: left guard. Okay, well, now you're in the offseason and

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Speaker 8: you have an opportunity to address your left tackle situation. Now,

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Speaker 8: what does the dress mean to me? It means you

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Speaker 8: bring back Tyron Smith to guarantee he's in uniform for

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Speaker 8: twenty twenty four, but you also address it in the

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Speaker 8: draft as well with a premium pick for the future.

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Speaker 8: That's how you solve the left tackle equation and you

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Speaker 8: allow Tyler Smith to remain where he is because if

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Speaker 8: you truly want that. Larry Allen arc I get what

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Speaker 8: Steven is saying. Alan, on a couple of occasions he

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Speaker 8: popped out the left tackle. He was dynamic as well,

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Speaker 8: just like Tyler was when he popped out as a rookie.

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Speaker 8: That being said, the majority, the large majority of Larry

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Speaker 8: Allen's dominance occurred at left guard. I think Tyler Smith

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Speaker 8: can be an all pro left tackle. I think he

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Speaker 8: can be a Hall of Fame caliber left guard, just

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Speaker 8: like Zach Martin. I think Zach Martin can be an

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Speaker 8: All Pro right tackle, but he's a Hall of Fame

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Speaker 8: right guard.

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Speaker 4: May be clear. Are you saying you don't think he

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Speaker 4: can be a Hall of Fame left tackle.

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Speaker 8: I'm not saying I don't think he could be. I'm saying,

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Speaker 8: to state it more correctly, he has a better chance

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Speaker 8: of being a Hall of Famer at left guard than

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Speaker 8: at left tackle.

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Speaker 7: Let me put it that way.

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Speaker 8: Strength, his anchor, his hands, his build, He has enough

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Speaker 8: athleticism to be dynamic. Hence me saying he could be

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Speaker 8: an All Pro left tackle. But Tyler Smith in a

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Speaker 8: phone booth is a nightmare. He's an absolute nightmare for

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Speaker 8: those interior pass rushers for you know, three texts, the

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Speaker 8: big nose tackles. Whatever the case may be, Tyler Smith

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Speaker 8: has strength that many inside guys at this level don't have,

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Speaker 8: let alone guys from the college ranks. When you talk

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Speaker 8: about playing left tackle, when you talk about playing right tackle,

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Speaker 8: strength obviously plays a big part of it, but not

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Speaker 8: as much as footwork, hand placement, lateral ability. When you

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Speaker 8: get tyrant Tyler Smith and a phone booth and you say,

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Speaker 8: beat the hell out of that guy, he can do it.

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Speaker 8: And if you need him to beat up two guys.

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Speaker 8: He can beat up two guys. His presence there also

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Speaker 8: helps your center. So rather your center is Tyler Biadish

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Speaker 8: or someone coming in off the draft. And if it

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Speaker 8: is someone coming in off the draft, guess what. Now

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Speaker 8: they're young, they're a rookie, they need help. Thankfully, they

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Speaker 8: might be bookended by Zach Martin and Tyler Smith. And

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Speaker 8: I know those who are saying, and I had a

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Speaker 8: conversation with someone on Twitter years so they say, well,

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Speaker 8: what about TJ Bass. I think TJ Bass is a gamer.

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Speaker 8: I think he's the future interior lineman, but not at

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Speaker 8: left That goes to a conversation that I broached with

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Speaker 8: one of my columns this offseason. It's also time to

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Speaker 8: talk about the post Zach Martin era. I think TJ

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Speaker 8: Bass is your post Zach Martin right guard. And that's

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Speaker 8: how you have to view it. So for me, long

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Speaker 8: form way of saying, I keep Tyler Smith right where

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Speaker 8: he is at left guard now because you have an

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Speaker 8: opportunity now to ad just left tackle. So moving him

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Speaker 8: out there would just be a cop out to me.

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Speaker 8: It would be you telling me that we don't want

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Speaker 8: to address left tackle. We're just gonna move Tyler out. No,

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Speaker 8: you no, don't do that. You do that in case

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Speaker 8: of emergency. Those times have passed because the season is over,

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Speaker 8: it's off season.

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Speaker 9: So addressed to that, does it change your opinion based

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Speaker 9: on what's the best or most talented player available in

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Speaker 9: the draft depending on the position, Like if I don't know,

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Speaker 9: I haven't gone into draft, that's not my thing, really,

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Speaker 9: but I don't know what it looks like right now

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Speaker 9: heading into this year, if there are more guards, you

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Speaker 9: will have vowels.

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Speaker 8: You will have a great without getting too deep into

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Speaker 8: into the draft just yet, you will have a fantastic

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Speaker 8: opportunity depending on how it falls, because we never know

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Speaker 8: how it falls. But you have a great opportunity to

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Speaker 8: get a future starting left tackle or a future starting

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Speaker 8: center with the twenty fourth overall pick.

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Speaker 7: So you're in a good spot for that. Now.

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Speaker 8: Again, it depends on how the thing falls, because if

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Speaker 8: you know, if somebody who's supposed to be in the

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Speaker 8: top fifteen and I don't want to say an name

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Speaker 8: set because I want to get too deep into it,

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Speaker 8: drops down to twenty twenty one, then you have to

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Speaker 8: start entertaining maybe a slight trade up or maybe you

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Speaker 8: risk it.

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Speaker 7: But then you go to BPA.

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Speaker 8: So you have a CD LAMB type situation, right, so

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Speaker 8: Barn a city, right Barn, a CD Lamb type situation

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Speaker 8: where it's that blanking light that you have to take

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Speaker 8: this guy. You will have a fantastic opportunity to address

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Speaker 8: left tackle.

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Speaker 4: And I think the thing about it, Stephen Jones even

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Speaker 4: mentioned this. I think they try to get to the

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Speaker 4: draft every year not having needs. Their goal is to

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Speaker 4: fill their needs with free agency so that once they

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Speaker 4: get to there, even if it's a stop gap type player,

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Speaker 4: they want to make sure they don't have gaps when

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Speaker 4: they get to the draft so that they can look

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Speaker 4: and get the best player available. Because one thing I

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Speaker 4: know this is a really really, really good draft team.

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Speaker 4: Where they tend to fall short is when you can

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Speaker 4: see them reaching for a specific type of player or

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Speaker 4: specific position player. That's where you get into situations where

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Speaker 4: you get a Taco Well. I'm saying they needed a

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Speaker 4: pass rusher and they went into that draft we need

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Speaker 4: a pass rusher, and then you and by the I

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Speaker 4: don't think it's unique to the Cowboys. I think every

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Speaker 4: team when you put yourself in a position where you

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Speaker 4: go into a draft, thinking I got to get this.

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Speaker 4: Then what you're basically saying is when you get to

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Speaker 4: that position where you're going to draft, you're basically just

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Speaker 4: looking for the best player at that position, where there

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Speaker 4: could be five six players that are better players that

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Speaker 4: are going to have longer careers in the NFL, that

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Speaker 4: you even believe are better players that you could take.

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Speaker 4: You just are going to go with the lesser player

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Speaker 4: because you think you need them at the position.

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Speaker 7: I don't like that at all.

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Speaker 4: I think you have way more success drafting based upon

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Speaker 4: the best player that's available to you. And I would

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Speaker 4: even take it one step further than what you said, Amber.

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Speaker 4: I would say, do what you need to do now.

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Speaker 4: So if that means you go ahead and re sign Tyring,

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Speaker 4: whatever the case might be, and then reevaluate after the draft.

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Speaker 4: So if in the draft you happen it falls to

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Speaker 4: where you got this really great guard prospect, you got

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Speaker 4: this really great tackle prospect, now you can say, Okay,

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Speaker 4: we got this really great guard, where do we want

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Speaker 4: to put them? Okay, Tyler, maybe this is a conversation

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Speaker 4: where we may need you to move to tackle. We

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Speaker 4: weren't able to get to tackle that we want it,

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Speaker 4: but we we just got we got a great guard, right.

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Speaker 4: So I think that's what you do is you kind

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Speaker 4: of give cover your basis. You go into the draft,

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Speaker 4: you get the best players available, and then you reevaluate

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Speaker 4: to decide where you need Tyler to be. Because craigt frankly,

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Speaker 4: I know you're saying that that he has a better

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Speaker 4: chance at guard. I don't know if he has a

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Speaker 4: better chance to get into Hall of Fame at guard

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Speaker 4: more than tackle. I think he's just a Hall of

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Speaker 4: Fame type player, and I think wherever you put him,

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Speaker 4: he probably will be a Hall of Fame type player.

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Speaker 7: What else?

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Speaker 8: So, but no, I was gonna say what I'll say

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Speaker 8: to Mbo's first point as far as asking him, anyone

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Speaker 8: who's had conversations with with Tyler Smith knows that if

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Speaker 8: he's presented with the question from McCarthy that says would

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Speaker 8: you rather play tackle to guard? His response is going

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Speaker 8: to be as follows, wherever you want me, coach, wherever

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Speaker 8: you want me.

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Speaker 7: That's the type of way.

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Speaker 4: Tell me who you want me to beat up? And

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Speaker 4: that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 9: So that sounds great.

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Speaker 7: No, No, you try to know.

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Speaker 9: I know he's that type of player for sure. For sure,

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Speaker 9: like he'll do what you ask him to do. But

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Speaker 9: we all have preferences. I mean that is I mean.

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Speaker 7: Feel like he's he's still something.

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Speaker 8: I just feel like he's still in the pleasing stage

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Speaker 8: of his career, whereas he yeah, congratulations by the way, Yeah,

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Speaker 8: but he's not a six time all But he's not

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Speaker 8: the Zach Martins of the world, the Tyrone Smith's of

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Speaker 8: the world, where it's like you can when Zach was

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Speaker 8: approached with playing right tackle, Zach was like, well, I'll

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Speaker 8: do it, but I don't want to. And then because

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Speaker 8: Zach said he didn't want to, they held off on

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Speaker 8: that as long as humanly possible.

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Speaker 7: Right, Tyler's not there yet.

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Speaker 8: So and I don't I feel like he feels like

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Speaker 8: he's and he knows he's not there yet. So when

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Speaker 8: you go to a young guy coming off of year

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Speaker 8: two and you know he's going to be afraid to

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Speaker 8: say the wrong thing, so he's going to be like,

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Speaker 8: you know, whatever you want me, coach, and going to play.

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Speaker 8: So I believe that that's not just like pr speak

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Speaker 8: for him, Like as it stands, he truly is like

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Speaker 8: you want me to play.

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Speaker 9: Tacks say something like like, hey, I'll do whatever you

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Speaker 9: name to do. Yeah, I prefer this, but I still

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Speaker 9: do that.

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Speaker 7: Now now when he gets the year five.

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Speaker 8: If by year five he's been a left guard this

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Speaker 8: whole time and then they're like, oh, we need to

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Speaker 8: pop you out the left tackle, I bet at that

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Speaker 8: point he'd be like, yeah, but I'm a guard. Or

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Speaker 8: rice versus if he's left tackle going through the end

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Speaker 8: of the year five and they're like, we need to

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Speaker 8: move you to guard, He's like, but I'm a tackle.

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Speaker 8: So I think, you know, stripes like, there's levels to

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Speaker 8: being able to have that kind of input. So I

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Speaker 8: think McCarthy is in tune with where his player's preferences are.

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Speaker 8: But I think if you're Tyler Smith, you just want

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Speaker 8: to get out there and beat up on some guys.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 4: I just think it's a point wherell taken. I do

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Speaker 4: think he's earned the respect to be able to at

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Speaker 4: least be a part of that conversation, and if he

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Speaker 4: has a preference, let it be known. You know, I

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Speaker 4: go sometimes he may not have a preference because he

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Speaker 4: looks at both of them, he's like, man, I see

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Speaker 4: to be, right, So who knows. At the end of

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Speaker 4: It is the second segment of The Breakup. Sorry, final

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Speaker 4: the Star We're talking about the combine and it's news

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Speaker 4: coming out of the combine. Perhaps you got a question

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Speaker 4: for us as we were heading into breaking.

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Speaker 7: I do so.

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Speaker 8: As we're talking about the Tyler Smith discussion, which is

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Speaker 8: a great debate, by the way, I'm wondering what you

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Speaker 8: guys thought processes on how does the personnel packages for

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Speaker 8: rivals like the Commanders and the Philadelphia Eagles, two teams

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Speaker 8: that are stacked on their defensive interior line, how does

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Speaker 8: that impact your decision on where you play Tylers Smith.

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Speaker 4: I personally believe I don't know that I think it's

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Speaker 4: necessarily stronger one place the other. I get that they

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Speaker 4: have some very strong players in the interior parts of

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Speaker 4: the defensive lines for all three of those teams, But

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Speaker 4: I also think there's some really really capable and some

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Speaker 4: of the best pass rushers in the league. You look

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Speaker 4: at at Son Reddick and I know we were talking

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Speaker 4: in the break and obviously there's there are rumors out

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Speaker 4: there maybe he won't end up being with Philly beyond this,

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Speaker 4: I'll believe that when I see it, teams don't usually

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Speaker 4: let go of outstanding pass rushers just to let go

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Speaker 4: of the you know, so, who knows, right? I mean,

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Speaker 4: who knows, but I just don't see him leaving. So

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Speaker 4: I guess my point is, I think it's really every

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Speaker 4: team invests in their edge rushers. So yeah, you can

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Speaker 4: talk about just the NFC East, and yes, there are

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Speaker 4: some great interior tackles, some great tackles in the NFC S.

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Speaker 4: There are also some really great pass rushers, and you

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Speaker 4: look around the league there's some really great pass rushers.

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Speaker 4: I need to protect my quarterback. And my question then becomes, well,

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Speaker 4: which one is harder to replace? If I put him

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Speaker 4: at guard, is it easy to get a tackle? If

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Speaker 4: I put him at tackle, is it easier to get

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Speaker 4: a guard. I think it's probably easier to find a

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Speaker 4: guard that can work than it is to find a

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Speaker 4: tackle that can work. So when you start talking about

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Speaker 4: it from that standpoint, I would also talk about replacement

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Speaker 4: value and how heart that is to replace someone of

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Speaker 4: his skill.

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Speaker 7: What do you think?

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Speaker 9: Well, it's a good question, very very interesting.

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Speaker 7: Eles, Jordan Davis, Jalen Carter.

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Speaker 8: Payne in Washington. That's a lot of heat coming at

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Speaker 8: you on the interior.

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Speaker 9: Yes, totally agree with that and very interesting. But you

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Speaker 9: caught me out of moment in my life.

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Speaker 4: Where where you're getting up at.

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Speaker 9: All about working on yourself and not the out and

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Speaker 9: not worrying about the outside noise outside. Like you know,

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Speaker 9: if you work on your and you do what you

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Speaker 9: need to do, then you should be able to take

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Speaker 9: on whoever comes in front of you. So I think

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Speaker 9: it's a good point. But where my mindset is right

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Speaker 9: now is how can they be them their best selves?

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Speaker 9: How can the Cowboys position themselves to be the best

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Speaker 9: Where is he really going to strive or be more

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Speaker 9: impactful on the line. And I think also that it's

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Speaker 9: it's very difficult to predict the future and look ahead

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Speaker 9: because we still don't know what other talent they'll be

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Speaker 9: able to get and bring on in here. But for example,

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Speaker 9: even last year when we were talking about Tyren Smith

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Speaker 9: and the times that he was out, it brought to

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Speaker 9: my mind a lot of times where I'm like, man,

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Speaker 9: just move Tyler, move him to tackle because this is

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Speaker 9: the trouble. And they ended up figuring out and Tyron

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Speaker 9: Smith after their new workout week two week regimen and

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Speaker 9: get him some rest. It turned out that it was

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Speaker 9: very favorable for him. But right now I'm not worried

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Speaker 9: about what these other teams currently have at past Rusher,

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Speaker 9: I'm worried or concern, more concern on what are we doing,

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Speaker 9: what do we in ourself work. I know this doesn't

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Speaker 9: necessarily answer your question. It's a great question, but in

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Speaker 9: the moment, I'm just worrying about me and.

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Speaker 7: That and that's fair.

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Speaker 8: And while you're worrying about you, you also in this

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Speaker 8: league have to prepare for what you're to face. And

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Speaker 8: when you're talking about that, it's it's an endless battle

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Speaker 8: when it comes to divisional foes in the NFL. Whatever one,

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Speaker 8: you know team does that excels that they excel at

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Speaker 8: the next offseason. The other three teams will adapt to it. Right,

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Speaker 8: I kind of more in recency bias. I'll convert it

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Speaker 8: to the or compare it to the RG three conundrum. Right,

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Speaker 8: RG three comes in, he's killing it for Washington Cowboys.

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Speaker 8: Worried A three four at that point, and then they

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Speaker 8: turn to a four to three to try to stop.

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Speaker 8: So that's just a perfect example of you have to

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Speaker 8: be your best self and build up your best form

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Speaker 8: of yourself. But you also have to keep in mind

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Speaker 8: that while you're doing this, who's who's who's pulling up

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Speaker 8: on the front lawn, like right, and what are their weapons?

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Speaker 8: And are you prepared for the weapons that they're presenting,

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Speaker 8: is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: So I ask you this question. I understand the NFC East,

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Speaker 4: and we've talked about that, and I've talked about some

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Speaker 4: of the past rushers there, Kayvon Thibodeau's another guy throw

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Speaker 4: out there in New York. That's a really good pass rush. That.

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Speaker 4: That being said, when you get outside the NFC East,

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Speaker 4: and let's also think about what the biggest challenge is

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Speaker 4: for the Cowboys right now. It ain't necessarily a regular season,

873
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 4: it's the postseason. So you start thinking about the teams

874
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 4: that the Cowboys are going to face in the postseason.

875
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 4: Have you considered Aiden Hutchinson in Detroit? Have you considered

876
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 4: Nick Bosa in San Francisco. You start looking around that

877
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 4: group of teams that you think are probably the teams

878
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 4: that are going to be the hardest teams for you

879
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 4: to get past. I don't know if you want to

880
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 4: talk about Green Bad maybe you need to after what

881
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 4: we saw, right, but the point is the point is

882
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 4: that there's some edge rushers that you're having to deal

883
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 4: with that are some of the best pass rushers in

884
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 4: the NFL. I don't know that you can make the

885
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 4: argument there is gonna be a harder challenge trying to

886
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 4: deal with the defensive tackles that you're gonna have to

887
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 4: face them. There are the pass rushers in him.

888
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 7: Well see, and you're not wrong.

889
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 8: And that's why you know, I think we're in agreement

890
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 8: and wanting Tyron Smith back for at least another year.

891
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 8: So Tyron Smith, when he's on the field, he showed

892
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 8: you last year that he.

893
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 9: I'm still thinking, okay, I'm still considering.

894
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 8: Okay for those of us that have already made I

895
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 8: guess for those of us that are on the seventy

896
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 8: seven remains in Dallas train. When he's on the field,

897
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 8: he showed you that he can he can play at

898
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 8: an all pro caliber, Pro Bowl level. Tyron Smith camp,

899
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 8: So that's why you want Tyron Smith back in the building.

900
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 8: Then you go in you draft the future as well,

901
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 8: but Mike, and that's how you handle the eight Hutcheson's

902
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 8: of the world and nick Boss of the world. And

903
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 8: then you hope that Terrence Steell having more time removed

904
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 8: in a full off season, I know, the full off

905
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 8: season from the injury that he's back at form.

906
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 7: But for me, as much.

907
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 8: As it matters more when you're going against the visional

908
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 8: rivals who clearly have stacked the deck on the defensive

909
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 8: interior so that they can penetrate in the middle and

910
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 8: Paul's and break up your pocket. That being said, that

911
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 8: being said, even outside of the division, if you look

912
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 8: around the league, the general football science is that if

913
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 8: you protect first and foremost, you have to protect the

914
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 8: interior absolutely.

915
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,240
Speaker 7: Right of yours pocket.

916
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 8: And then you work outward and you look at your

917
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 8: edge guys and say, okay, now handle those guys. So

918
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 8: because that's the formula for success on a weekend the

919
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 8: week out basis, the question then becomes and again I've

920
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 8: given roses to TJ. Bass as an example. I think

921
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 8: that he's a good up and comer, brought koff int

922
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 8: a good up and comer. My question would be, if

923
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 8: you moved Tyler Smith to left tackle, can okay, Tyler

924
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 8: Smith can handle Adon Hutchinson's and the Nick Bosas of

925
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 8: the world, and Calon Thibodeauz one hundred percent he can.

926
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 8: TJ Bass has shown that he can be a k

927
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 8: pole starter, but we haven't seen TJ. Bass consistently go

928
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 8: up against the Jordan Davis is the Jalen Carter is

929
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 8: the you know, Jonathan Allen's the Pains of the World.

930
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 8: So until you have that data, you don't have that data.

931
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 8: So what we do know is that Tyler Smith can

932
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 8: have and he did it last year.

933
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 7: He basically made Jalen Carter a non story twice.

934
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 8: And before Jalen Carter faced off against Tyler Smith, he was, oh,

935
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 8: this is a potential rookiear that you look at the

936
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 8: campaign he'sa having And Tyler Smith was like, I don't

937
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 8: care about any of that.

938
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 7: That's why I want Tyler Smith to remain at levet Go.

939
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 4: But I also think that look at how many times

940
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 4: last season we had we were.

941
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Speaker 7: Looking at you do that, Jayalen? Why do you make

942
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 7: me do it?

943
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 4: We were looking at tackles last year and there were

944
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 4: a number of times when it was like, Okay, Tyron

945
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 4: is going to be out, and man, I don't know,

946
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 4: can Chuma do it?

947
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 7: I don't know? No, no, no.

948
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 4: My point My point is how much harder was it

949
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 4: for us to replace Tyron Smith than it was when

950
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 4: Tyler was out. We found some guards. We were like huh. Look,

951
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 4: I can play a little bit. Okay, I think it's

952
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 4: easier to find and replacement guards that I think it

953
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 4: is find replacement tackles. That's my point. I just think

954
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 4: the replacement value. That's why if you look at it

955
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 4: specific well, yeah, but if you look at the money

956
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 4: and how the money spent, that's why teams pay so

957
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 4: much more for their left tackle than they do for

958
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 4: their left guard is because they think the replacement value

959
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 4: on the left guard is not as high. You can

960
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 4: go and find a left guard a lot easier than

961
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 4: you can find a left tackle. And that's my whole

962
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 4: point is if you've got a premium guy and an

963
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 4: end this is the key part, he can and is

964
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 4: willing to devote himself to playing tackle right, then I

965
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 4: think it's a no brainer to me. I would say

966
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 4: put the guy a tackle because there's more value there

967
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 4: and you know you're going to get something that's harder

968
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 4: to find, and you can replace the guard position a

969
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 4: lot of all.

970
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 9: Side of guard. I mean you're in the center, you're

971
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 9: in the middle of two people, so you can always

972
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 9: potentially get help from right center or the tackle to

973
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 9: whoever is kind of still struggling and not being at

974
00:43:54,440 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 9: their full potential there. But it's definitely an interesting concept.

975
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 7: Keep in mind Run Game two Run Game as well.

976
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: Yes, who.

977
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 8: No, it is all across, but when you're talking about

978
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 8: Tyler at tackle versus Tyler guard, you're really talking about Okay,

979
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 8: how does this impact the rushing attack as well.

980
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 4: Because there's there's a lot of things you can do

981
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 4: with a really good guard. Not only can you go up,

982
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 4: you can run up the middle a lot more, but

983
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 4: you can also pull that guard, you can do some

984
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 4: stuff on the outside. There's a lot more you can

985
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,919
Speaker 4: do with a good running, run blocking guard than maybe

986
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 4: even what you can do with a run blocking tackle.

987
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 4: So yeah, I agree with that. I think there's some

988
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 4: value to that. But look, man, you know, I really wish,

989
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 4: I really wish there was an NFL world where you

990
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,919
Speaker 4: could slide offensive lineman around during the game based upon

991
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 4: different alignments and basic do the same thing you do

992
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 4: with with with all the other positions. I think that

993
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 4: would be just fun to see to see teams kind

994
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 4: of adapt to that. I don't think it'll ever get there,

995
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 4: but I do think it would be cool. All Right,

996
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 4: we appreciate you guys, Jonas. We'll be back next week.

997
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 4: We didn't get to the free agency talk. We will

998
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 4: get to that next week because free agency will be

999
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 4: right around the corner, so we will have to get

1000
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 4: the free agency next week. We'll spend a little time

1001
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 4: with some of the Cowboys free agents and.

1002
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 9: Then hold on, no no, no song in the show.

1003
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 9: We're not with that. I am not a tired hair. Yes, yeah,

1004
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 9: so let no, that's how rumors start.

1005
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 4: And then and then from here on out, all the

1006
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 4: fans will be like, well, you know, Amber hates tired

1007
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 4: You know, of course she hates tying.

1008
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 7: Ladies and gentlemen.

1009
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 8: It's very clearly a joke if you know anything about Bard.

1010
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 8: She just like the rest of us. We love Tyrann

1011
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 8: the fame or future Ring of honor guy. She just

1012
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 8: is on the line on the fence right now, which

1013
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 8: is fair given the point of his career he's at.

1014
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 7: So let's let's be clear.

1015
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 8: It is fair for anyone who's wondering if they still

1016
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 8: want him back or not. It's fair to have that conversation.

1017
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 8: There are some of us who are ready to go

1018
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 8: ahead and make the commitment. Both sides of the argument

1019
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 8: have have substance. But when I go to that next week.

1020
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:50,919
Speaker 4: We'll get to that next week when we talk about

1021
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 4: free agency, because I do want to have that conversation

1022
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 4: and I don't.

1023
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 7: I don't know.

1024
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 4: I'm actually kind of in between you guys, So.

1025
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Speaker 7: We'll have She's been four thirty, so she's a little

1026
00:45:58,400 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 7: spicy right now.

1027
00:45:59,160 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 4: I gotta get used to that.

1028
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 7: She's a little spice.

1029
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 4: You'll get used to it. You'll get used to it.

1030
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 4: I appreciate you guys joining us still next week for

1031
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 4: Patrick Walker and Ambergarcia. I'm Derek Eagleton. This has been

1032
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 4: The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.

1033
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1034
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