WEBVTT - Sideshow 4: A Living Curiosity

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<v Speaker 1>The farm hands knew that the Old Testament had spoken

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<v Speaker 1>about a race of giants, but Cardiff, New York was

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<v Speaker 1>a very long way from the Promised Land. So you

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<v Speaker 1>can imagine their surprise on that cool October morning in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen sixty nine when the men accidentally unearthed a petrified

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<v Speaker 1>body of a massive ten foot tall man. He laid

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<v Speaker 1>flat on his back, as pale and chalky as soft plaster.

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<v Speaker 1>It was easy for the workers to recall the Bible

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<v Speaker 1>story of Goliath being struck down by David slingshot. The

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<v Speaker 1>resemblance in their mind was striking. The laborers couldn't believe

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<v Speaker 1>their luck. They thought it was a weird and wonderful discovery,

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<v Speaker 1>and they set off to let the world know. But

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<v Speaker 1>none of this was by happenstance or happy accident. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it was all part of a heavily choreographed and brilliantly

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<v Speaker 1>engineered plan drummed up by a fellow named George Hull,

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<v Speaker 1>one that involved a handful of years, a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars, and a big chunk of gypsum. You see,

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<v Speaker 1>George was a skeptic by nature. He didn't believe in God.

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<v Speaker 1>He certainly didn't believe in the Bible and definitely didn't

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<v Speaker 1>believe in giants. This life was all there was, he thought,

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<v Speaker 1>and anyone trying to convince people otherwise were fraudsters. So

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<v Speaker 1>George came up with an idea to hoodwink the faithful,

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<v Speaker 1>and he picked the perfect time too. Charles Darwin had

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<v Speaker 1>just published his Origin of Species, and the world as

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<v Speaker 1>we knew it had been thrown into flux. George roped

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<v Speaker 1>in a cast of characters, a Chicago marble dealer, some sculptors,

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<v Speaker 1>and a distant relative by the name of Stub Newell.

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<v Speaker 1>The latter just happened to own a farm in upstate

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<v Speaker 1>New York, which would prove to be the perfect resting

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<v Speaker 1>place for a faux fossil. Visitors soon began pouring onto

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<v Speaker 1>the property. Men left to work, and women brought their

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<v Speaker 1>babies along. They showed up to the farm in droves,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to catch a glimpse of this fossilized giant. Stubb

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<v Speaker 1>erected a big white tent and charged admission. Soon businessmen

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<v Speaker 1>and investors came knocking, all wanting a piece of the action.

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<v Speaker 1>And while the experts and naysayers certainly had a few

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<v Speaker 1>things to say. Stubb stuck by his story this was

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<v Speaker 1>the real deal. Inspired by the publicity, P. T. Barnum

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<v Speaker 1>tried to buy the giant, but when Stubb turned him down,

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<v Speaker 1>Barnum changed plans and simply made his own copy of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And when that new handcrafted petrified giant corpse was ready,

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<v Speaker 1>he put it on display in his American Museum in

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<v Speaker 1>New York City. That first fraud gave way to others too,

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<v Speaker 1>and soon even more copies were cropping up. But ultimately

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<v Speaker 1>the story unraveled when a guilt ridden sculptor decided to

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<v Speaker 1>come clean, and the Cardiff Giant was eventually put into storage,

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<v Speaker 1>where it would languish for years to come. This time,

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<v Speaker 1>at least, the skeptics had won the day, and it

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<v Speaker 1>demonstrates that universal truth that everyone loves a good narrative.

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<v Speaker 1>It's part of our nature as humans to look for

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<v Speaker 1>story and to cling onto it for dear life. Story

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<v Speaker 1>helps us anchor ourselves in reality, and it gives us

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<v Speaker 1>something that most people can never get enough of, hope,

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<v Speaker 1>But for many that's never anything more than just a dream.

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<v Speaker 1>Hope is a wonderful target to aim for, after all,

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<v Speaker 1>that's why they call it shooting for the stars, but oftentimes,

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<v Speaker 1>happily ever after is too far out of reach, and

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<v Speaker 1>few individuals throughout history have had farther to stretch for

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<v Speaker 1>their lofty goals than one person in particular. But despite

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<v Speaker 1>a life filled with challenges and obstacles that would make

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<v Speaker 1>most of us give up and settle for less, she

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<v Speaker 1>managed to do the impossible. I'm Aaron Manky, Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the Side Show. Stealing a horse and wagon was an

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<v Speaker 1>impressive feat, especially since the culprits were both just a

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<v Speaker 1>hair over two ft tall. Mercy and her sister Minnie

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<v Speaker 1>had just wanted to go for a joy ride, so

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<v Speaker 1>when a peddler stopped by their family home in Middleborough, Massachusetts,

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<v Speaker 1>the sisters saw their chance. They climbed up into the

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<v Speaker 1>driver's seat and took the reins in their tiny fists.

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<v Speaker 1>But they underestimated the horsepower in front of them and

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<v Speaker 1>never thought that the beast might make a break for it.

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<v Speaker 1>So when their older brother finally found them a mile

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<v Speaker 1>from home, he gave them a piece of his mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Despite the lecture, though they couldn't help us squeal with glee.

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<v Speaker 1>And these antics were part and parcel for the tiny

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<v Speaker 1>package that was Mercy Lavinia Warren Bump. By all accounts,

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<v Speaker 1>she was a completely unremarkable baby. She made her world

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<v Speaker 1>debut on Halloween of eighteen forty one, the fifth child

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<v Speaker 1>in her family. Born to parents who were seasoned in

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<v Speaker 1>matters of birthing and rearing, the Bump family was made

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<v Speaker 1>of solid Yankee stock, comprised of folks descended from not two,

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<v Speaker 1>but five Mayflower passengers, and by all accounts they eked

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<v Speaker 1>out a quiet New England existence, one dictated by the

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<v Speaker 1>church bells and the seasons, with each change in the

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<v Speaker 1>weather a cause for celebration or a warning sign of

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<v Speaker 1>things to come. As her first year went on, Mercy's

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<v Speaker 1>parents noticed something unusual about her. It seemed, in the

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<v Speaker 1>strangest of ways, that she had simply stopped growing. They

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<v Speaker 1>kept a watchful eye as one year turned to the next.

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<v Speaker 1>What she lacked in size she made up foreign spirits,

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<v Speaker 1>growing into a tiny, yet precocious child. But even so,

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<v Speaker 1>the smallest and youngest Bump was able to keep up

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<v Speaker 1>with the rest. She went to school and did her chores,

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<v Speaker 1>all with the help of a small step ladder her

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<v Speaker 1>father had built for her. And when her sister Minnie

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<v Speaker 1>arrived seven years later. The family recognized something in her,

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<v Speaker 1>she too, was going to stay small. Looking back, historians

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<v Speaker 1>think it's likely that both sisters suffered from a pituitary

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<v Speaker 1>disorder resulting from their ancestors in her marrying. Mercy graduated

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<v Speaker 1>from school at sixteen and remained in the schoolhouse to teach.

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<v Speaker 1>She was universally adored. It said that her students would

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<v Speaker 1>pick her up and carry her over deep puddles and

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<v Speaker 1>ferry her along on a sled during the snowfall. Life

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<v Speaker 1>and all it offered Mercy was good, so when her cousin,

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<v Speaker 1>George Wood showed up at the family's home after her

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<v Speaker 1>first year on the job, she didn't take much interest

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<v Speaker 1>in the offer that he put on the table. George

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<v Speaker 1>was working for the Spalding in Rogers North American Circus,

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<v Speaker 1>an outfit that floated show boats along the Ohio and

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<v Speaker 1>Mississippi Rivers. He had seen the great success of P. T.

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<v Speaker 1>Barnum's General Tom Thumb, another proportional dwarf, and thought that Mercy,

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<v Speaker 1>all thirty two inches of her, could likewise be destined

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<v Speaker 1>for the stage. But George's idea of showcasing Mercy wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>a novel idea. In fact, there is a long global

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<v Speaker 1>history of people living with dwarf is um being sought

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<v Speaker 1>after for entertainment. They loom large in folklore and myths worldwide,

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<v Speaker 1>with pictorial histories found across ancient cultures. Powerful rulers were

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<v Speaker 1>said to have collected little people like baseball cards, as

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<v Speaker 1>if they were mere two dimensional characters and not living,

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<v Speaker 1>breathing humans. History tells us that for upwards of five

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<v Speaker 1>thousand years, they were often held in some degree of bondage,

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<v Speaker 1>thought of as property, and fulfilled the roles of either

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<v Speaker 1>servant or entertainer. But as the world changed and courts declined,

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<v Speaker 1>people with dwarfism began appearing at fairs, taverns, and other

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<v Speaker 1>venues where folks of all kinds went to seek a

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<v Speaker 1>reprieve from their daily lives. By the time George's offer

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<v Speaker 1>came to Mercy, it was an era when women were

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<v Speaker 1>expected to be good wives and mothers. Did she want

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<v Speaker 1>to give up her quiet life, one in which she

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<v Speaker 1>was safely tucked into her little town, for a life

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<v Speaker 1>aboard a floating circus cruising along the banks of the

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<v Speaker 1>American frontier. Did she want to say yes to something more.

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<v Speaker 1>It turns out that she did so with her parents

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<v Speaker 1>blessing Mercy decided to make a go of it. She

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<v Speaker 1>had the privilege of making this choice, something that not

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<v Speaker 1>many women around her did, and with that she re

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<v Speaker 1>christened herself with her two middle names for the stage,

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<v Speaker 1>and in doing so, she was reborn as a star.

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<v Speaker 1>Lavinia Warren. It was eighteen sixty and the floating palace

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<v Speaker 1>was never going to outsail the war doct in New Orleans.

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<v Speaker 1>The Mississippi River waters ran beneath her, a watery spine

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<v Speaker 1>binding the shores of a fracturing nation. Lavinia and her

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<v Speaker 1>troop had a good run, but George began to feel uneasy.

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<v Speaker 1>Abraham Lincoln had recently been elected president and won the

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<v Speaker 1>electoral College by less than forty percent of the popular vote.

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<v Speaker 1>More significantly, he didn't win a single Southern state. The

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<v Speaker 1>country was picking sides, and each was taking up arms

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<v Speaker 1>to prove it. Georgia Lavinia decided to make a run

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<v Speaker 1>for the north, booking the first train out of town

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<v Speaker 1>to Vicksburg, Mississippi. Their car ferried both people and ammunition alike.

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<v Speaker 1>What they didn't know then is that Vicksburg would go

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<v Speaker 1>on to witness one of the bloodiest sieges of the

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<v Speaker 1>impending war, but for now, the cousins were just trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get through and get home. With rest on her mind,

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<v Speaker 1>Lavinia had planned to ride out the Civil War back home,

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<v Speaker 1>but that was before one of P. T. Barnum's men

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<v Speaker 1>came knocking. Barnum had her tales of Lavinia's success on

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<v Speaker 1>the show boats and wanted her to join his ranks. However,

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<v Speaker 1>to his surprise, she categorically refused, but Barnum wouldn't take

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<v Speaker 1>no for an answer. He invited Lavinia and her parents

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<v Speaker 1>to visit his sprawling estates in Bridgeport, Connecticut, where he

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<v Speaker 1>continued to court her with the lure of a weekly

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<v Speaker 1>salary and the promise of far flung adventures. And you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, Lavinia had a change of heart, so she agreed.

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<v Speaker 1>Barnum got right to work. He ordered up reams of

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<v Speaker 1>fabulous dresses and jewels, designing a wardrobe fit for a

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<v Speaker 1>tiny queen. By spinning his stories, working his magic, and

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<v Speaker 1>emptying his bank account, he was going to mold Lavinia

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<v Speaker 1>from a show girl into a celebrity. But to understand

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<v Speaker 1>his impulse, we have to look closer at this moment.

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<v Speaker 1>The previous generation of Americans had fought for freedom from

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<v Speaker 1>the English crown, but Queen Victoria's influence was so strong

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<v Speaker 1>that it crossed the pond, and upper crust Americans took note.

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<v Speaker 1>Had she been alive today, she probably would have been

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<v Speaker 1>a social media influencer. And Victorian America was changing too.

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<v Speaker 1>The cities were growing, the fires of industry burning hot,

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<v Speaker 1>and social settings that were once rigid began to tremble.

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<v Speaker 1>The ideals of the Victorian Age brought a sense of

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<v Speaker 1>control to white, middle and upper class Americans as the

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<v Speaker 1>country around them changed. Decked Out in corsets and pearls,

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<v Speaker 1>top hats and tails, they enacted the rituals they thought

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<v Speaker 1>would keep them safe and empowered and lavinia while Barnum

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<v Speaker 1>saw her as the perfect canvas upon which to craft

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<v Speaker 1>the ideal Victorian aristocrat, one who could be kept stateside

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<v Speaker 1>for their own viewing pleasure. Of course, the night of

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<v Speaker 1>her official entrance to high society took place at New

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<v Speaker 1>York City's magnificent St. Nicholas Hotel, and it's was dazzling.

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<v Speaker 1>She dripped with charm and diamonds, dressed in a get

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<v Speaker 1>up that would cost over fifty two dollars today, and

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<v Speaker 1>the press went wild. She was suddenly a diminutive debutante

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<v Speaker 1>of the highest regard. The New York Commercial Advisor called

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<v Speaker 1>Lavinia one of the most extraordinary little ladies at any

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<v Speaker 1>time scene in this age of extraordinary beings. The New

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<v Speaker 1>York Tribune wrote extensively about Lavinia, noting her to be

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<v Speaker 1>bright and sweet, eyes, brilliant and intelligent, her form faultless,

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<v Speaker 1>and her manner to be that of a woman of

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<v Speaker 1>the world. And The New York Sun was bold enough

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<v Speaker 1>to suggest that she could even challenge the riotously successful

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<v Speaker 1>career of Charlie s Stratton, otherwise known as General Tom Thumb.

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie had signed on with Barnum at an early age

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<v Speaker 1>and had become a global sensation, and Charlie, as the

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<v Speaker 1>story goes, was quite smitten with Barnum's new star. He

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<v Speaker 1>took Barnum aside and asked him to play matchmaker. Charlie

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<v Speaker 1>even promised exclusive rights to publicize their wedding if Barnum

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<v Speaker 1>were to foot the bill. Ever, the step ahead, Barnum

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<v Speaker 1>began planting the seeds with Lavinia. Their courtship began in

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<v Speaker 1>earnest Charlie got to work wooing Lavinia the moment she

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<v Speaker 1>stepped off the train to visit him in Bridgeport, where

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<v Speaker 1>he picked her up in a miniature carriage. Over the

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<v Speaker 1>course of the afternoon, Lavinia spoke of her upcoming trip

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<v Speaker 1>to Europe. So Charlie got bold and asked would it

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<v Speaker 1>be more proper for them to go as man and wife? Surprisingly,

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<v Speaker 1>Lavinia said yes. On February tenth, eighteen sixty three, curious spectators,

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<v Speaker 1>all bundled up in yards of wool and furs, flooded

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<v Speaker 1>the sidewalks. In the pews of Grace Church on Broadway.

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<v Speaker 1>Guests waited anxiously. Everyone who was anyone was there. Congressmen

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<v Speaker 1>rubbed shoulders with governors, Captains of industry stood flanked by

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<v Speaker 1>their wives, all seated among worry newspaper editors. Barnum accepted

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<v Speaker 1>no bribes for the invitations that we know of, although

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<v Speaker 1>it's said that many tried. After all, who didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to be at the social event of the season. The

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<v Speaker 1>oregan blared and the ceremony began. Next crane toward the aisle,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to catch a glimpse of the wedding party, guests,

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<v Speaker 1>who were compelled to giggle at the spectacle of it all,

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<v Speaker 1>soon fell in line, a hush reverence falling over the audience.

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<v Speaker 1>Lavinia and Charlie ascended to the altar. Clymina said, of

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<v Speaker 1>small stairs, to a special platform built just for them.

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<v Speaker 1>They were young, wealthy, and famous. They held each other's

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<v Speaker 1>hands and kissed, and for the first time in three years,

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<v Speaker 1>the New York Times ran something other than news of

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<v Speaker 1>the Civil War on the front page. Yes, they were small,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was clear that their love was mighty. Lavinia said,

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<v Speaker 1>I do, and with that they were ready to take

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<v Speaker 1>on the world. I can't think of a worse way

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<v Speaker 1>to mix business and pleasure than by setting off on

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<v Speaker 1>a honeymoon tour. But Lavinia and Charlie did just that. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>while the idea of a honeymoon might conjure visions of

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<v Speaker 1>sunsets and sandy beaches, these two had a different idea

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<v Speaker 1>in mine. They were off to the White House. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>They went down to Washington, d C. A city full

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<v Speaker 1>of crime, vice, and malaria. Not exactly my idea of romance,

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<v Speaker 1>but to each their own. Mary Todd Lincoln had extended

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<v Speaker 1>an invitation to the Stratton's. Maybe she felt she was

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<v Speaker 1>in competition with Queen Victoria's friendship with Charlie, or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>Barnum pressured her into it. Regardless of how it all

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<v Speaker 1>came to be, what we do know is that the

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<v Speaker 1>First Family pulled out all the stops. On Friday, February

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen sixty three, Lavinia and Charlie were greeted with a

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<v Speaker 1>proper white house reception by the Lincoln's. The newlyweds suited

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<v Speaker 1>up in their full wedding attire for an audience of dignitaries.

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<v Speaker 1>Lavinia had a bouquet of fresh orange blossoms and strings

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<v Speaker 1>of pearls around her neck. The newspapers reported the scene

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<v Speaker 1>to be quite a vision, with the specter of a

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<v Speaker 1>gangly Lincoln, all in black, bending at the waist to

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<v Speaker 1>shake Charlie's hand and kiss Lavinia's cheek. It was said

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<v Speaker 1>that there was even a striking resemblance between Mary Todd

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<v Speaker 1>and Lavinia if you could scale them to an equal

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<v Speaker 1>eyes that is, whispers floated throughout the room. Some audience

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<v Speaker 1>members were amused, others were ashamed. The pretense of this

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<v Speaker 1>visit was a dignified one, but we have to notice

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<v Speaker 1>There were echoes of the past that filled the east

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<v Speaker 1>room at that moment, as two little people were presented

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<v Speaker 1>to the head of the highest office in the land.

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<v Speaker 1>Soon after their White House visit, they joined Lavinia's sister

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<v Speaker 1>Minnie and her husband George, and set off touring. But

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<v Speaker 1>travels took them across New England, up into Canada, down south,

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<v Speaker 1>and across the Midwest talk about the ultimate double date.

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<v Speaker 1>The troop soon bunked down at a hotel in Louisville, Kentucky,

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<v Speaker 1>where Lavinia spent some time chatting with her neighbor across

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<v Speaker 1>the hall. He shared with her his pain in what

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<v Speaker 1>the South was experiencing. He was distraught but determined to help,

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<v Speaker 1>and she listened intently. As they parted ways, he handed

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<v Speaker 1>her assigned photograph that she would go on to carry

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<v Speaker 1>with her. It may seem strange now, but as a

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<v Speaker 1>famous theater actor John Wilkes Booth had his own fans.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be in Europe that spring when they learned

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<v Speaker 1>of Lincoln's assassination and the war's end. Lavinia was an

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<v Speaker 1>utter shock, and when asked by a British reporter about

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<v Speaker 1>her relationship with Booth, she ended up giving them that

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<v Speaker 1>signed photograph, it ran in the newspaper, the first photo

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<v Speaker 1>of the president's assassin to appear in the British press.

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<v Speaker 1>Over the next few years, the four friends continued to

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<v Speaker 1>cross the world and back again, two pairs of pre

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<v Speaker 1>eminent global emissaries of their day. When it was all

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<v Speaker 1>said and done, their travels added up to a distance

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<v Speaker 1>that could have circumnavigated the globe twice, with a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of mileage to spare. But home is often where they

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<v Speaker 1>craved to be. I'm not gonna lie to you. It

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<v Speaker 1>was sometimes tense between Charlie and Lavinia, as he wished

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<v Speaker 1>for retirement and she wished for adventure. Their permanent residence

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<v Speaker 1>sat on an eight one acre plot back in Lavinia's hometown.

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<v Speaker 1>It was all theirs, every last inch of it, complete

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<v Speaker 1>with its rapper porch, mansward roof, chimneys and dormers. It

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<v Speaker 1>was more than they could ever dream of and certainly

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what they needed. They outfitted their newly built place

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<v Speaker 1>with furniture made in miniature, including a pint sized grand

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<v Speaker 1>piano and a shrunken billiards table. Visitors to the house

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<v Speaker 1>today can still find remnants of their personal renovations. A

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<v Speaker 1>small soapstone sink and a small staircase in the back.

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<v Speaker 1>At one point there was a cast iron stove measuring

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<v Speaker 1>two feet tall for their guests, though they always had

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<v Speaker 1>on hand average sized furniture and plates. They were global

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<v Speaker 1>celebrities living in a small town after all, and frequently

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<v Speaker 1>found themselves playing host to long nights of entertainment. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's here, after a life of travel, adoration, and near missus,

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<v Speaker 1>that Charlie would die in three He was forty five,

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<v Speaker 1>taken at a young age by a stroke. Surely he

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<v Speaker 1>had many roads behind him, but he still had the

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<v Speaker 1>world ahead of him. In Lavinia was devastated. She haunted

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<v Speaker 1>the halls of her house, unmoored with life, making a

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<v Speaker 1>little less sense without her general. On the day of

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie's funeral, twenty three horse drawn carriages and ten thousand

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<v Speaker 1>mourners made their way to Mountain Grove Cemetery. The air

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<v Speaker 1>was heavy with the weight of this enormous finality. She

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<v Speaker 1>had made a career out of being the center of attention,

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<v Speaker 1>but this was a performance she didn't want to be

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<v Speaker 1>a part of. As Charlie was lowered into the earth,

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<v Speaker 1>Lavinia collapsed moments later, someone tenderly picked her up and

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<v Speaker 1>carried her to a carriage. One last funeral dirge filled

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<v Speaker 1>the air, and then with a sudden jolt, the horses

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<v Speaker 1>hold away. The Victorian age is often defined by death,

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<v Speaker 1>and Lavinia's life was no exception, especially being an generation

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<v Speaker 1>who lived and loved through the war. She had lost

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<v Speaker 1>so many already, and now her husband was gone to

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<v Speaker 1>she was stuck between two worlds, life on the road

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<v Speaker 1>and life in the home. It was in straddling this

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<v Speaker 1>line that she was unlike almost any other Victorian woman

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<v Speaker 1>she knew, and it was in this tension that she

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<v Speaker 1>felt most alone. But as they say, the show must

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<v Speaker 1>go on. She soon remarried to another proportional dwarf by

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<v Speaker 1>the name of Count Primo Magre, who she and Charlie

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<v Speaker 1>had met on the road years before. They continued performing

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<v Speaker 1>together alongside the count's brother, But where Lavinia and her

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<v Speaker 1>crew had once held court with royals and presidents, they

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<v Speaker 1>now began finding themselves scraping together itineraries and descending into

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<v Speaker 1>the bellies of cedi er venues. They spent some time

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<v Speaker 1>starring in the Lily Peucia Midget Village, a Coney Island

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<v Speaker 1>attraction featuring over three h little persons recruited from various

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<v Speaker 1>side shows. Picture it as an early twentieth century, real

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<v Speaker 1>world social experiment. The sets, built to look like fifteenth

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<v Speaker 1>century Nuremberg, of course, featured a theater, circus, a firehouse,

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<v Speaker 1>and a beach with lifeguard towers. It was here that

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<v Speaker 1>performers acted out their mundane, everyday life, and audiences came

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<v Speaker 1>to watch. In the village, the actors were stripped of

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<v Speaker 1>their individual identities and folded into a homogeneous group. They

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<v Speaker 1>were being sold as one fictitious race of little people.

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<v Speaker 1>If you've seen The Wizard of Oz or Charlie and

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<v Speaker 1>the Chocolate Factory, you've caught a glimpse of this new

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<v Speaker 1>mythology coming to life. As you can imagine, this was

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<v Speaker 1>all pretty demeaning. The luster of this life and the

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<v Speaker 1>opportunities that presented were waning. The curtains were finally drawing

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<v Speaker 1>to a close. Lavinia had been one of America's first celebrities,

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<v Speaker 1>loved by the public until they found newer, shiny or entertainments,

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<v Speaker 1>but in nineteen nineteen, on the cusp of her eighth

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<v Speaker 1>decade of life, she fell ill and died on November.

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<v Speaker 1>By then, Lavinia had become one of the most photographed

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<v Speaker 1>people in the world. An obituary claimed that more people

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<v Speaker 1>knew of her than any other woman in the entire country.

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<v Speaker 1>In an amazing way, she had really done it all.

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<v Speaker 1>But what made Lavinia a star was certainly complicated. She

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<v Speaker 1>played the part of the ideal Victorian woman in miniature,

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<v Speaker 1>a human doll dressed to the nines. This was quite

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<v Speaker 1>literally her whole act. Barnum knew that with the right

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<v Speaker 1>aesthetic trappings, he could transform her to his benefit, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe even to her own. It was a transformation

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<v Speaker 1>that allowed her to climb higher than any step ladder

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<v Speaker 1>could have allowed. She was a hero, a celebrity, and

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest star of her day. But when she was

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<v Speaker 1>buried beside Charlie's life size monument, her simple headstone bore

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<v Speaker 1>the only title that she felt most proud of. It's

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<v Speaker 1>simply read His wife. Lavinia Warren's life and adventures clearly

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<v Speaker 1>proved that big things often come in small packages. The fame,

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<v Speaker 1>the wealth, and those millions of adoring fans all stand

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<v Speaker 1>as definitive proof that she really had reached the top

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<v Speaker 1>of the world. But there were others like her, and

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<v Speaker 1>their lives were no less extraordinary. And if you stick

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<v Speaker 1>around through this brief sponsor break, this season's writer and

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<v Speaker 1>lead producer, Robin Miniter, will take you on that journey.

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas was built as three ft tall and three ft broad,

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<v Speaker 1>although this was possibly the least interesting thing about him.

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<v Speaker 1>A native son of Brooklyn, New York, Thomas Dilward was

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<v Speaker 1>a showman and a show stopper, A fellow who could sing, dance, fiddle, contort,

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<v Speaker 1>and act. He was sometimes billed as the African Tom Thumb.

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<v Speaker 1>But whereas Charlie Stratton was accepted in the courts of Europe,

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<v Speaker 1>Dillward embraced a more sinister legacy. Right around the time

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas was born, in the eighteen thirties, America's social landscape

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<v Speaker 1>was feeling a new squeeze whore in working class immigrant

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<v Speaker 1>families struggled to get by, hardly benefiting from any association

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<v Speaker 1>with the dominating Anglo social classes. This, though, was about

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<v Speaker 1>to change. There are a few stories that float around,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is the most popular one. A traveling actor

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<v Speaker 1>by the name of Thomas Rice was said to have

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<v Speaker 1>watched an elderly, decrepit black man singing and dancing while

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<v Speaker 1>working at a horse table. He took notes and practiced

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<v Speaker 1>his mimicry. Rice took inspiration from the man's jarring movements,

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<v Speaker 1>his Southern twang, and his dark skin. He wrote a

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<v Speaker 1>few musical lines, and then he burned some cork. He

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<v Speaker 1>smudged the inky black ash across his face in his hands,

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<v Speaker 1>put on some raggedy clothes, and created what would become

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<v Speaker 1>a monster in the American imagination, a character by the

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<v Speaker 1>name of Jim Crow. And with that American minstrel shows

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<v Speaker 1>were born. And it was through these shows that white

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<v Speaker 1>minstrel actors tried to codify blackness. By doing this, they

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<v Speaker 1>attempted to grasp at any thread of social control that

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<v Speaker 1>might be available to them and to create a foil,

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<v Speaker 1>a foil to their own whiteness, which was purely fabricated

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<v Speaker 1>and purely cruel. This attempt to define the markers of

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<v Speaker 1>being black led to the creation of stereotypes, flattening the

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<v Speaker 1>experience of black folks through the creation of harmful caricatures

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<v Speaker 1>for entertainment and profit. But the history of these minstrel

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<v Speaker 1>shows in the American side show is inextricably linked, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's partially due to P. T. Barnum and his Great

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<v Speaker 1>American Museum. It's true that Barnum trafficked and oddities, inanimate

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<v Speaker 1>and animate alike. The bulk of his acts focused on

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<v Speaker 1>people with physical deformities, and his inclusion of black folks

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<v Speaker 1>right alongside them exposed underlying social prejudices. Blackness and disability

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<v Speaker 1>were starting to be cast in the same light. Thomas

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<v Speaker 1>was an interesting case study. Though his act his body

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<v Speaker 1>existed at the intersection of a head spinning identity. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a black person living with dwarfism, traveling and entertaining

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<v Speaker 1>in the years before the Civil War. He dressed in

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<v Speaker 1>drag and even took on the name Japanese Tommy as

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<v Speaker 1>a way to trick audiences who would otherwise not pay

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<v Speaker 1>to see a black man perform. In fact, he was

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<v Speaker 1>one of the only black actors to travel with a

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<v Speaker 1>white troop. He stated audiences of all colors and shapes,

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<v Speaker 1>and even came up with a turn of phrase that

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<v Speaker 1>you can still hear in conversation today, hunky dory. The

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<v Speaker 1>phrase was first found in Russell bart It's Seven Dictionary

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<v Speaker 1>of Americanisms, and it means everything is all right, but

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<v Speaker 1>knowing Thomas's story, It's easy to wonder was it really?

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<v Speaker 1>Sideshow was written by Robin Minater, with production, narration, and

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<v Speaker 1>audio editing by me Aaron Mankey research for the series

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<v Speaker 1>was done by Robin Minater, Taylor Haggerdorn, and Sam Alberty.

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