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Speaker 1: the episode. On the bed cast, the questions asked if

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Speaker 1: Zef invest start changing it with the beck Del cast.

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Speaker 1: Hey Jamie, Hey Caitlin, I think it's time we try.

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Speaker 1: I think it's time we try a full court podcast.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, I get it. I thought you were you

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Speaker 1: know what. I thought you were gonna do what. I

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Speaker 1: thought you're gonna be like Jamie. You can't be a

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Speaker 1: basketball player. I need you to be a podcaster like me.

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Speaker 1: I got you an internship. You've got to fall fucking

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Speaker 1: What would happen to you? I don't even want to

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Speaker 1: think about it all right, Well, really going in with

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Speaker 1: some negative energy today, which I think is which is good,

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Speaker 1: We need a miracle to turn things around. We need

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Speaker 1: a miracle. We need a long winded metaphor, We need

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Speaker 1: a feature length metaphor, is what we need. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Bechtel Cast. Hello. I think that was our best

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Speaker 1: intro yet. You know, it's fun is the longer we

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Speaker 1: we have an amazing episode today. Um, oh my god. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: years old. My goodness. Fleet. Well, let's start the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's do it all right. So this is our podcast

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Speaker 1: where we examine movies through an intersectional feminist lens using

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Speaker 1: the Bechtel Tests. But J mean, I don't remember what

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Speaker 1: The Bechdel Test is a media metric created by Alison Bechdel,

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Speaker 1: queer cartoonist. I don't. I usually said that in the

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Speaker 1: opposite order, but today I didn't. Um. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of different versions of it. Here's the one that we use.

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Speaker 1: It requires that any piece of media have two characters

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Speaker 1: lines of dialogue. That those lines of dialogue should be meaningful.

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Speaker 1: If you listen to the show, you understand, you get it,

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Speaker 1: And I was like, immediately, we have to watch Full

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Speaker 1: how do you get a freelance contract playing professional basketball,

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Speaker 1: which I'm not convinced exists if you're the whole thing

424
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 1: is like he's injured I don't. I don't get it.

425
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: I cannot find the logic there. But yeah, Lamont leaves

426
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: to go for this ten day contract, like right before

427
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: the Liberty attorney. So he leaves, and Alex is like,

428
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: oh no, we're gonna lose the tournament without our judah

429
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: mac couldbee. But then Rabbi Lewis is like, hey, Alex,

430
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 1: you should just look inward. Maybe you're the judah. So

431
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: it's time for the Liberty Tournament, and Alex kind of

432
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 1: assumes the role of the team's coach. Uh. They advance

433
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: in the tournament and they make it all the way

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Speaker 1: to the finals where they're going to be playing the Warriors.

435
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: They're like rival team. Meanwhile, Alex has reconciled with his

436
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: mom and she's like, yeah, I should I guess not

437
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: try to push this whole doctor career thing on you,

438
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: especially because you're only fourteen years old. And he's like,

439
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 1: thanks mom. And then it's time for the big game

440
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:39,880
Speaker 1: against the Warriors. Uh, they're losing. The electricity goes out,

441
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: and so they decided to start the emergency generator and play.

442
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: He's exciting. They the rules that they established here is

443
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 1: that they're going to play the game continue playing until

444
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: the fuel runs out in the generator. Whoever has you know,

445
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: more points When the fuel runs out, that's who's going

446
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:03,239
Speaker 1: to win the tournament. So they go back in they

447
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: start playing. Meanwhile, Alex's mom has gone to see Lamont

448
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: and a miracle seems to happen where his van, which

449
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: had broken down, starts back up again. So miracles are happening.

450
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 1: And then back at this school where the game is

451
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 1: being played, Um, you forgot the part where there's the

452
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 1: the rap, the rap about Draydals when they dance. Yeah,

453
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: there is a dance and there's also like non diagetic rap,

454
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 1: there's a rap about Dradals playing underneath the dance. Hey

455
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: you didn't. I'm so distracted by the dancing. I didn't

456
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: even they're rapping about Tradeles underneath that really bad child

457
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: dancing seas. Wait wait, let me see if I can

458
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: find it on YouTube. I bet you can't. Like that

459
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 1: was I forget? Who I told I was that we

460
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: were covering this movie and they were like, oh, that's

461
00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: the movie with the Draydal wrap in it. So I

462
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 1: it's like hyper like aware of it. Um, but yeah,

463
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 1: once you know it's there, yeah, please please take an

464
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: ad break. I gotta watch that. Yeah, we'll we'll, we'll

465
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: get there in just a moment, and then we'll give

466
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: you an opportunity to watch the dradle rep. I'm so

467
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: excited for you. Um okay. So the generator barely has

468
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: any fuel in it, and it seems like this team

469
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: they're gonna need a miracle the fuel again, it's almost

470
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: run out, but then Lamont shows up a k a.

471
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: Judah Maccabee, And much like the Miracle of Hanegah, where

472
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 1: the oil in the lamp was only supposed to last

473
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: for one night but it lasts for eight nights, the

474
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 1: fuel in the generator lasts long enough for Alex and

475
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: his team to keep playing catch up and win the

476
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: big game. And then they all celebrate, and then Alex's

477
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: family becomes friends with Lamont's family and they share a

478
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: nice moment, and then that's the end of the movie.

479
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: So let's take a quick break, let's all watch the

480
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: drade will wrap and then we will come right back.

481
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: Bears Manifest and People Game on Record. You don't always

482
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: bring in three young cover straight one on one three

483
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: at Breties, you can bring on to Ready for the

484
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: pain of the gag, give feet in the sound of

485
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: the ground and earn the beat. Nobody. I definitely not

486
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: even a gossage dad lead screaming, but the screaming for

487
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: me because the one coming down with the full court

488
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: near bons with the game said, let you don't hear me,

489
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: don't remember want it that we all know it's true.

490
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 1: Ns can't do't be to come and have it for you.

491
00:29:55,040 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: Trading train trade. Oh my god, I've never thought about

492
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: the song because they're dancing is so incredible. Okay, wo wow, okay,

493
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: and we're back and we've we've seen the dradle rap

494
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: and we are all better people for it. Well, I

495
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,239
Speaker 1: feel like I do. I always say there's no good

496
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: Jewish songs, and now I just feel like an asshole.

497
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: There's been one since two thousand three. Dare I say

498
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: anything Mariah Carry has ever done for Christmas? So oh,

499
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. I won't argue with you. Let's go,

500
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: let's go with that good song. So fay before we

501
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: get into the main discussion, I'm curious how you feel

502
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: about how Judaism and Jewish culture is portrayed in this

503
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: movie well as the definitive just like Decider of all

504
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: Things Jewish, Um, decider, Um, I say it's good. You know,

505
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: I'm pretty happy with it. Um. Now it's I love

506
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: it because it's sort of in the background. It's like

507
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: how it should be. It's not like the forefront where

508
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: everything's like I can't go out on Friday. It's a

509
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: bat or so I don't know. It's like that's just this.

510
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: It's like another It doesn't feel like intentional, like the

511
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: the entire story could have happened without it being Jewish,

512
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: but it has like a sweet Jewish. It's just cool

513
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: seeing people very casually being Jewish. That makes sense. Yeah,

514
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: Like you're not hit over the head with it. It's

515
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: just like sweet. And you see these little family moments.

516
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, I do that with my family, and um,

517
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: it's just cute to have Anica taking place in the background,

518
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: like not even in the forefront of a movie. Like

519
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, because when we were talking about this

520
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: at my wedding, the only other movie we could think

521
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: of that was like overtly jewish was Eight Crazy Nights,

522
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: and that just like hits you over the head with it.

523
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: It's like we were eight Nights of Honaka each night

524
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: is like a hole and that movie does not age

525
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: well because it's just Adam Sandler making one horribly problematic

526
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: joke after the next. So I have not seen that

527
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: since it came out, and I don't really plan on

528
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: rewatching it. There's yeah, I was looking up in general,

529
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: like there's there's at least in like whatever Western media.

530
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: There's just like not a lot of examples of movies

531
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: that like, I mean, okay, so I'm on the Wikipedia page.

532
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: First of all, you're welcome for Hanakkah films, and the

533
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: only four movies that are cited are An American Tale,

534
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: which we should cover at some point, eight Crazy Nights,

535
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 1: which we just said we would rather not, The Hebrew Hammer,

536
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: which does anyone know what that is? And Full Court Miracle,

537
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: and that's it. Yeah, that's it. Only four, I think, honestly,

538
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: because I didn't grow up jewish, um, I think that

539
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: the piece of media that I most closely associate with

540
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: learning about Hanukah was a Rugrats special that came out

541
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: that was I think only yeah, yeah, which I haven't

542
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: revisited it, but I'm I'm hoping that The Macababies is

543
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: still still a classic. Well, The Rugrats are iconic. So

544
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: my uncle was a director on The Rugrats and one

545
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: of their like lead writers, and the entire like crew

546
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: was very Jewish and it was like a very overtly show,

547
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: like intentionally, and it was awesome growing up with that

548
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: because I got to go like need all the voice

549
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: characters and like, see that's so cool. What Yeah, it's

550
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: really cool. I have all these original animation cells from

551
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: Regrets and like, um, oh my god. Yeah, well he

552
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: was at the wedding. I should have introduced gosh. But yeah, no,

553
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: I love that The Road Grats was formative for you.

554
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: It's just like, what a sweet show, and yeah, macababi

555
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: has gotta do what a macababys gotta do. Like my

556
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: little cousins and I when we were little, we would

557
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: play Maca Babies as a game like that was our

558
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: like Hirid or whatever other kids play. We were like, no,

559
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: we're literally the Maca Babies. First likes. Um, that's the

560
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 1: main Jewish representation I saw at any point in my

561
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 1: life was Kyle Broflovski in South Park and his his family.

562
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: I'm not even mad at that either. I loved that.

563
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 1: It's true. I mean it is just like extremely scarce

564
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: in uh, in Western especially in comparison to the like

565
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 1: absurd amount of Christmas media available in the world. It

566
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: just it keeps ongoing. So we really I mean, I

567
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: feel like they we've been talking about this for years

568
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 1: of covering a honeck a movie, and it just it

569
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 1: was just there. There's there's unfortunately, at least at the

570
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: time of this recording, not a ton of options, and

571
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: so I'm glad that we're covering full core miracle. And

572
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: then also I think I think I like learned ship

573
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 1: by watching. Yeah, like I feel like it's I don't know,

574
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: it's very like so many of the elements of this

575
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: movie are really you know, after school, specially in a

576
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: way because it's a d com so that's in the nature.

577
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 1: But um, I learned stuff in the scene, like the

578
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: way that they integrate the like the Shabbast dinner scene.

579
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: I was like, I learned things about Um I've never

580
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 1: been to a shopbast dinner, so that was interesting to me.

581
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: I've like they you know, the way that the plot

582
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: you know, maybe heavy handedly you know, fits in the

583
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: matt could be story. I was like, oh wait, yes,

584
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: like Rugrats, I remember I remember that I like, I mean,

585
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,959
Speaker 1: I I liked how the movie like you were saying,

586
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: just like, this is the world that we're living in,

587
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: and it seems like there were a lot of Um.

588
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: It was certainly written by a Jewish writer. I don't

589
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: know if it was directed by Stuart Gillard. Let me

590
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 1: just while you look that up. Joel Silverman, who was

591
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 1: one of the co writers on the movie, knew real

592
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: life Lamont Car, which is what this movie is based on.

593
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: Because this is based on a true story and they

594
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: knew each other at University of Virginia in the seventies,

595
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: I want to say, and so he kind of adapted

596
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: his real life story. Um, Joel Silverman did for Lamont

597
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: Car's story. Um, because there was a time where Lamont

598
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: Car was coaching, you know, like youth basketball teams, and

599
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: he in in Boca Raton, Florida, No less, not in Philly,

600
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: in folk Overton. Yeah, there's still life story is fascinating.

601
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: I wish that they kind of stuck more to like

602
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: Lamont Car's actual life story because there were so many

603
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: like he just sounded like a really fascinating guy. He

604
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: was also a wine connoisseur and a dart player a

605
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: dart player. Yeah, I was just like where is that?

606
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: And then lost over these facts, right, like that's really

607
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: and I I don't know, Caitlin, did you have much luck?

608
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: I was trying to like fact check the more specific

609
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 1: elements of Lamont card that are included in the movie,

610
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 1: and they're the most of the information he passed away

611
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: I think four or five years ago, but most of

612
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: the information around him seems to be pretty general. So

613
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 1: it was like hard to I don't know, Like anytime

614
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: you're you see a movie that you're like based on

615
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: a true story, you're like, okay, but probably not though,

616
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 1: but what is real and what isn't? And it was

617
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: um in terms of like the broader elements of fake

618
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: Lamont's story, Um, like you know he was unhoused at

619
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 1: the time of coaching, and like the son and the wife.

620
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: I was not able to confirm those details in anyway.

621
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: I couldn't find information about it either, So yeah, I'm

622
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: not sure about that, but um yeah, in any case,

623
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: this movie had at least one Jewish writer and and

624
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: stars a young Jewish actor. Yeah. I was also trying

625
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: to figure out like who of the cast the actual actors, um,

626
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: Alex Delons is Jewish, where I say children looked very Jewish.

627
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 1: They played Jewish very well. A lot of the cast is. Um.

628
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: I was like, was this a Canadian production because so

629
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 1: many of the actors that they cast are from Canada.

630
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: But that's neither here nor there. I mean, full on,

631
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: there's a Degrassi cast member. Um anyways, um. I did

632
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,880
Speaker 1: find some criticism surrounding this movie about the movie leaning

633
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: into a fair number of Jewish stereotypes, such as like

634
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: the overbearing mother. That's every Disney movie. It's like the

635
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: mom wants you to be something specific, and like you're like,

636
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: but I like this arts thing, and no, that's still

637
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 1: people just look for things to be upset by. And

638
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: if you're upset by that, okay, that's a valid like

639
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: when I obviously do not speak on behalf of all Jews,

640
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 1: but like I didn't even know that was a stereotype.

641
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: But my mom is so overbearing. I got your mom's

642
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 1: a sweet that's kind of where I like how casual

643
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 1: the movie. It wasn't like these like like I don't

644
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: even want to say all the stereotypes I could have

645
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 1: done that I've heard in my lifetime. So you didn't

646
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: find there to be like egregious stereotyping with the Jewish

647
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: characters in the movie. I didn't at all. I thought it,

648
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: I love this movie. It's like the only thing I have,

649
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,399
Speaker 1: I have to cling to it. I mean I didn't either,

650
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: But again, as a non Jewish person, I like, wasn't

651
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: other criticisms that you've read. I mean, everything was kind

652
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 1: of vague I found, I mean believed or not. Not

653
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,439
Speaker 1: a lot of like prestige journalism has been written about

654
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: this movie. So what I did find were just a

655
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 1: handful of blog posts. One was from something called Mainline

656
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 1: and Christmas, where it's by Aaron Snyder. She seems to

657
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: be watching holiday movies in general and trying to find

658
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: ones that depict Hanukkah and maybe other Jewish holidays. Respectfully,

659
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 1: she did not like the movie. She thought it was

660
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: really bad for like mostly like plot whole reasons, but

661
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 1: also yeah, well we cost twelve dollars to me. But um.

662
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: Also she felt that this writer felt that Jewish stereotypes

663
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 1: were leaned into, but she doesn't get very specific about it,

664
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: so I don't know what exactly she was referring to.

665
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: I will say that I mean and I can't. I

666
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: can't really speak to the Jewish stereotyping. I did think

667
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: that the main obstructive forces for for Alex were two women,

668
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: and everyone who was like super supportive of him and

669
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 1: his dreams were like Daddy and my RABBI think I'm

670
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: so awesome and like I can do this, and then

671
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: it's like Mrs Klein and his mother that are the

672
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 1: obstructive forces. Which so I think at least there's like

673
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: a little bit of like true stuff going on. That's

674
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: not the Judaism speaking. It's more of like the two

675
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: thousand three Disney era, where like women are telling you

676
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: what to do with your life, like that sort of thing.

677
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think that's a separate conversation where yeah,

678
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 1: it's just like the two main like adult women in

679
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: the movie happened to be sticklers for the rules and

680
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: they have to be, I mean in a movie written

681
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: and directed by men. Yeah well yeah, yeah, I did

682
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 1: not phrase that well. But there was one conversation that

683
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: felt like maybe was about to pass the Beach Doel test,

684
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: which was between Julie and the mom when they're just

685
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: like at the internship and they're like, oh, we have

686
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 1: to go to the game, and I'm like, okay, all right, yeah,

687
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: we gotta go watch Alex play. Yeah, I was like,

688
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: damn it, but yeah, there were only two female care

689
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: that the principle, but she was well, yeah, So between

690
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: like Alex's mom and dad, Dad is like the fun goofball.

691
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: He jokes around a lot, and then Mom is like,

692
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: I want you to be a doctor and you have

693
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: your fourteen but you need to have your career path

694
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: already figured out. And what I did appreciate that about

695
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: that though, was it so few stories feature a mother's

696
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: son story arc. It's usually a father's son things. For

697
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: that to be like the main focus of I mean again,

698
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: it does make it so that the mother kind of

699
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: is an antagonistic force for our protagonist Alex throughout the movie.

700
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: But for that to still focus on like a mother's

701
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: son relationship is like a pretty rare thing to see.

702
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: At the top of that for like two thousand three,

703
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: it's like that the mom is very clearly the breadwinner

704
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: of the family. We see the dad doing more like

705
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: traditionally maternal tasks like he he's cooking well, and when

706
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: his mom cooks, she she doesn't have time to really

707
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 1: cook as well, which is kind of throws some waffles

708
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: in a microwave and and that's that's representation for the

709
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: moment when they're the principle is like Dr Schlotsky wants

710
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 1: to talk to you. And it's the mom and sort

711
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: of a powerful moment where you would inherently birded thinking

712
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 1: it would be the dad, but no, he's a real

713
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: estate agent, but not a yeah, he's struggling to sell

714
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 1: this one condo that he yeah, you just simply can't sell.

715
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: I would say no offense to Alex's dad, but I

716
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: would say it doesn't seem like he's trying very hard.

717
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: There's at one point where Alex comes home during the day.

718
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: It's like a plot point where it's like, oh, we're

719
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: going to move Lamont into this condo. But it's like

720
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: two PM and Alex's dad has like a cup of

721
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: whiskey in front of him. He's like he's like drinking

722
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: during the day. I was like, how hard are you

723
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: really trying to sell this one condo? And every time

724
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: someone's like, hey has sold that condo yet, and he's

725
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: like no, no, Like he's he's making cakes and drinking

726
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: whiskey on like a fucking Tuesday. He's chilling. You're married

727
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: to a doctor. That's the life. Baby, That's true, that's true.

728
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: Like why why try? I guess like he so anyways,

729
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: Alex's that Alex's dad character. He was so chill that

730
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 1: I was like, what's going on with this guy? Um, yeah,

731
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: he's just making dad jokes. But uh, I did appreciate

732
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: that Alex's mom has an arc where you know, they

733
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: have a meaningful conversation about like her expectations for Alex,

734
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 1: and he's like, you just need to let me follow

735
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: my dreams, even though I know it's very unlikely that

736
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: I'll make it to the n b A. Just like,

737
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: let me have this for a while. And she's like,

738
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: you're right, I should like back off and just support

739
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: you and not try to make you be a doctor.

740
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: And then she said something like maybe the only doctor

741
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: in your future is Dr J And I don't know

742
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: what she was talking about. And I'm like, am I

743
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: old or out of touch or both or everything? Like

744
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: the main basketball card that he it's a famous basketball

745
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: player doctor? He got it? Is that the one he

746
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: kept selling? And okay, yeah, so that's her being like

747
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 1: I accept your basketball dreams, which apparently Caitlin and Fay

748
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: don't think he's going to accomplish. I do. I think

749
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: he's going to do it, and I believe in alex Um.

750
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: I did like that journey. Yeah if I feel I

751
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: feel like a lesser movie would attribute that whole journey

752
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:19,479
Speaker 1: to the dad. But the dad is kind of they're

753
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: more for comic relief. He's there to tell us facts

754
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: about the history of Jewish basketball players. He's there to

755
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: set off a car alarm, he's there to drink during

756
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: the day, like he's just he's more sidelined than the mom.

757
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: So I mean, I do, I do. I see where

758
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: I don't remember the name of the writer, Like I

759
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: understand where she's coming from with stereotyping, and if that

760
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: is something that any of our listeners feel, it's completely valid.

761
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 1: And I also do see what you're saying, Fay, of like,

762
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: there were certainly like a lot of moms and children's

763
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: media who were depicted this way regardless of their religious

764
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: back ground in two thousand and three, So definitely anything

765
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: it kind of felt more like integrated than anything else.

766
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: It was like, oh, this is how they depict every family,

767
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: every like white family, in a d com movie is

768
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: this way with like a quirky dad but a strict mom,

769
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: and like a kid who wants to follow his dreams.

770
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: Like I was like, we are no different. It's also

771
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: Lizzie McGuire yea, literally it's McGuire's parents. I feel like,

772
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: didn't we have that discussion about xenon the space Space Girl? Right? Yeah? Yeah,

773
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: so there there is like a precedent for it. But yes,

774
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 1: I also see I feel like that also speaks to

775
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 1: like how few Jewish kids movies there are that It's

776
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: like that would stand out. There's nothing to really compare

777
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 1: it to in a mainstream way. Let's take a quick

778
00:47:51,480 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: break and then come back for more discussion and where

779
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: we're back. Before we jump back into the discussion, I

780
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,919
Speaker 1: just wanted to quickly shout out I think that there's

781
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 1: a scene where they're letting the kid improvise and it

782
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,720
Speaker 1: made me laugh. Wait, which one I think that unless

783
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: it was some very weird dialogue, it's the scene. It's

784
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: like an important scene, so I'm like, what is it going? Um,

785
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: it's the scene where Alex is talking to his mom

786
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: and she asks him, why do you care about basketball

787
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: so much? Alex. That was not that was written. He

788
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: describes basketball so weird. He's just like, yeah, you know,

789
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: and you have the ball and you throw it and

790
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: go in the hoop and then it's like, wow, oh

791
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: my god, it's in the hoop, you know. And they're

792
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: like playing the score like really loud, so it's kind

793
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: of hard to hear him do. I was like, is

794
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: he just like, is he having an off day? I

795
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: couldn't tell if he was. It sounded like he was

796
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: making it up. It sounded like her like, you know

797
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: how if you're like, like how you love podcasting so much, Jamie,

798
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: when you podcast, the rest of the world just disappears.

799
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: You have no problem, responsibilities, no struggle, you know. That's

800
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,919
Speaker 1: what he's when he is playing basketball. It's just him

801
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: and the ball and the hoop, you know. Um. And

802
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: it was beautifully written, and it was very poignant conversation

803
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: between a boy and his mother as he faced a window.

804
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: It sounded like he was being played off stage. The

805
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: scorer was playing so loud, and he's like, you know,

806
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: when the hoop and the ball and then they keep

807
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 1: cutting back to his mom and she's like, uh huh.

808
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: I liked it. I liked when he said right at

809
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 1: the beginning, he's like, Mom, I'm proud of you for

810
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: being a doctor, but that's just not for me. Like, okay,

811
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: I mean, but I always said to my dad, Alex

812
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: appreciates a powerful woman. He does. That's why his best

813
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: friend is Julie, who has two lines. Okay, can we

814
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: talk about Julie, because let's talk about Julie. Really poor Julie. Okay.

815
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: So the movie opens in such a way that it

816
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: makes it seem like the friendship between Alex and Julie

817
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 1: is going to be an important part of the movie,

818
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: that she's going to be a way more important. Like

819
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: the first scene, Yeah, that sets a precedent narratively that

820
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: like she's going to be an important character. They never

821
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: address why she's not on the basketball team or like

822
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: or like, yeah, does she does she go to the

823
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: same school? Does she go to a difference? You know what?

824
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: It's probably a boys school now that I think about it, right,

825
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: I I was like not paying close enough attention. But

826
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 1: then like part of my head canon was like, so

827
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: at the end of the first scene, they say goodbye

828
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: to each other and she speaks in Spanish, So I'm

829
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: like maybe she doesn't even go to a Hebrew school,

830
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: but she could be from a like I don't think

831
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: it's she very well could be a Jewish character like

832
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: true it, but we don't see like it's. Yeah, I

833
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: think that that's just like some clunky ass writing because

834
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: you're just like, well, how do they know each other?

835
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: And like does she? I was never quite sure if

836
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 1: she knew like Joker and Big Ben and like does

837
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: she know those? I guess she does because she appears

838
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,320
Speaker 1: in scenes with them, But it's like, how do you

839
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: guys all know each other? Do you? You don't? I

840
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: don't think you really. You see her at games, but

841
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: you don't see her at the school. She yeah, she goes.

842
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: Think she goes to the school. I don't think so either.

843
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: She does cheer him on at the games, and I

844
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: think maybe they're just friends because they like play pick

845
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: up basketball together because she's a basketball player, but we

846
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: don't learn anything about her interior life at all those

847
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: she wants to be a doctor, which comes up very

848
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: suddenly right and then also gets dropped just as quickly.

849
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, honestly, I was, so, I mean the bar

850
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: so on the floor for movies like this so I'm like, well,

851
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: I'm glad that they didn't make her like a love interest,

852
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: you know, like it could have been worse, but it

853
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: just yeah, it was so messy and bizarre. And then

854
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 1: there's like that scene where she was like, I'm mad

855
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: at you, and then twenty minutes later she's like, I'm

856
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: not mad at you. And then she makes that really

857
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: funny sign that says like miracles can happen, and then

858
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 1: she must have had a sharply on hand because she

859
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: crossed it out it happened, And then we were laughing

860
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: and crying because that's a that's a beautiful story. Yeah, Julie, Man,

861
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,320
Speaker 1: what a disservice. She should have been on the team.

862
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: What do you lose by having Julie on the team.

863
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: It sounds like she's a committed basketball player. Well that

864
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: would have been interesting because most schools don't have co

865
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 1: ed teams at least at that age. So I mean,

866
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: and at this I mean at this school, it's like,

867
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: you might as well the team sucks let her play, right,

868
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: She seems like she would be an asset to the team.

869
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 1: She's a better player than the team, and she likes

870
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: playing basketball, which of the team doesn't see, so why

871
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: can't she play on the team. I assume she was

872
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: Jush and went to that school. And I always loved

873
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: that they showed like a Latina Jewish person because there

874
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: are right right. Yeah, But now that I think about it,

875
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm thinking back to that scene where the

876
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,959
Speaker 1: rabbi is like teaching the first class about like the Maccabee's,

877
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 1: and I'm like, were there any women in that classroom?

878
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if it was just a boys school and

879
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: she I don't know. Now I got to rewatch again. Yeah,

880
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: first to appreciate the dradal rap, I don't think she

881
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 1: goes to the school, but I don't think that that

882
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that she's not a Jewish character. Well, I

883
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: just use a lot of negatives. I don't know if

884
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: that sentence came out the way I was planning, right.

885
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: We we can't make any assumptions, but we never We

886
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: don't know enough about her character to know whether or

887
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: not she's Jewish. What we do know is that she

888
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: plays basketball and she's like better than most of the people. Honestly,

889
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: they did they even need Lamont car. They could have

890
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: just asked Julie to like teach them basketball, have an internship, right,

891
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: Julie has gotten into it also, like fourteen year olds

892
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 1: with the internships. This is just outside of my frame

893
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 1: of reference, right, but whatever, I'm glad she got to

894
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 1: do that, although I didn't know that she wanted to

895
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: until she just said I want to, and then she

896
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 1: was doing it in the next scene, and it had

897
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: no narrative impact. Basically, you can write her out of

898
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 1: the movie and the story changes not even a single percent. Like,

899
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: but but also don't like she should be in the

900
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 1: movie and she should have just been written to be

901
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: more important of a character who like contributes to the story.

902
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: The choices they make with her were so bizarre to me.

903
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: And then the final character who is a woman is

904
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 1: Mrs Klein, who again between similar to like the mom

905
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: and Dad character, where like the woman is the you know,

906
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: the stickler, like I kind of hesitate to use shrew,

907
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: but she's kind of shrew. Yeah, And between Mrs Klein

908
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 1: and the are like main educator character in the story,

909
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:07,240
Speaker 1: Rabbi Lewis. You know, she is the disciplinary and she's

910
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: the one who's always like trying to squash their fun

911
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: and you know she doesn't know how to be silly

912
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: or goofy, and she's always like, you know, stickler for

913
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: the rules, whereas Rabbi Lewis is like very laid back

914
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: and he's he even says like silliness is good for

915
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: the soul. I mean, Raby Lewis is a really fun

916
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: I like, I like him. He's fun too, but he yeah,

917
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: he like exists in contrast to her. Yeah, oh yeah,

918
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: I hated them that principal character, Like it just felt

919
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 1: very um. It was hard to like observe the scene

920
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 1: where she follows Lamont home and not think it was rape,

921
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: Like how weird did that be? What? Well, that's the

922
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 1: thing is, like I think like it's heavily implied. Whether

923
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 1: the movie is even like acutely aware of this or

924
00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:01,359
Speaker 1: not that Like she's racist and classes and like her,

925
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: I mean she and it's through her that all of

926
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 1: this ship comes through of like god, I mean, there's

927
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 1: so many and I guess that this starts the discussion

928
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 1: about Lamont's character as well. But the way that she

929
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: acts when she is like pressuring him to give her

930
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: a permanent address is really hard to watch and really frustrating,

931
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: and like especially because we as an audience know by

932
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: then that he's unhoused and that whatever. It's like, if

933
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: you know anything about those sorts of issues, it's like, well,

934
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: why would not having a permanent address preclude you from

935
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: being employed? And how are you going to have a

936
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 1: permanent address if you're not given sustainable employment? You fucking anyways,

937
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 1: and then she like stalks him and like just I

938
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: don't I don't know. Everything's such a weird invasion of privacy.

939
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: She sucks, and then yeah, I'm curious to everyone's thoughts

940
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: on like how the movie treats just sort of like

941
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: the idea of being unhoused. Because we learned that Lamont

942
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 1: is unhoused. He has family back in virgin Virginia. So

943
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, is he just like living out of his

944
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: van while he's staying in Philadelphia trying to get a job,

945
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:16,439
Speaker 1: Like this is his family housed back in Virginia's from it? Yeah?

946
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: And then they like set him up in this condo

947
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: that Alex's dad is having trouble selling, and that's not

948
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: trying to sell at all, just like drinking whiskey and right,

949
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: So it's like, I don't know it. So I don't know.

950
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: I didn't I mean, we've definitely seen movies that handle

951
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: the state of being unhoused worse and that are like

952
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: cruel to characters who are unhoused, But this, this one

953
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: felt a little dissonant to me. But it definitely hasn't

954
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 1: wasn't like the worst example we've seen depictions of a

955
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: unhoused person of color speaking as someone who was neither

956
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: a person of color nor unhoused. Um, I was like,

957
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: this feels empathetic. This feels like he's very human, He

958
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: has a whole you know, it's not just like this

959
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 1: person who the trope of, like someone who's drinking or

960
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: drugs or whatever. This was just someone who is down

961
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: on his luck and got injured, which is a very

962
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: typical reason do people do end up at housed. And

963
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: I love this scene where they're eating dinner together, him

964
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 1: and Alex And yeah, I loved that he was a

965
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: human character as opposed to just like this depiction of

966
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: the worst of it. Um. But yeah, the movie doesn't

967
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: seem to make a judgment call on him being unhoused.

968
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: And in fact, the movie once I Think Wants You Too,

969
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: condemned the behavior of the principle, who is like judging

970
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: him and trying to discriminate against him for being unhoused.

971
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: So yeah, I thought, I mean, I thought, it's like,

972
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, like everything in this movie, it's very

973
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:05,160
Speaker 1: after school special. It's very like of this dcom genre

974
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: where it's like it's all going to be a little

975
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: heavy handed, it's not gonna like Agecent well, but I

976
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 1: felt like at least where the movie was coming from,

977
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: felt like it was coming from an empathetic place. Like

978
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: the protagonist of the movie immediately empathizes doesn't judge Lamont

979
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: for being unhoused. They like you're saying, fay like they

980
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: and I like kind of that like duality of like

981
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: Lamont goes to Alex's house for dinner and then Alex

982
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: goes to la Month's place for dinner and they have

983
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: a discussion about it. It's like there aren't I don't know.

984
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I like the classic negative stereotypes, especially two

985
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: thousand and three, where I feel like that stereotype was

986
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:54,479
Speaker 1: just like flying around then of either portraying and house

987
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: people as the butt of jokes or kind of trauma porn,

988
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: and in an lot of the arts, this is like, uh,

989
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, there's there's more to be

990
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: said about the Lamont character, but I think it's kind

991
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: of more empathetically done than most of those stories and

992
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: not something that's like negative for kids necessarily. If you

993
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: think about the audience how it is most kids, this

994
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: is it could very well be some like a child's

995
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 1: first introduction of someone who is on house, and like

996
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: it's kind of a sweet I guess, like I don't know,

997
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 1: I don't know the word. I guess empathetic introduction to

998
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: someone who does live on house, because like they're definitely

999
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: a protagonists and they're seen as like this Judah mccabee character,

1000
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: this big hero and like a legend and an incredible

1001
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: talent and a sweet guy, and we learn a lot

1002
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 1: about his life and his his backstory, his interior life.

1003
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: We learn way more about him than we do about Julie,

1004
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: certainly for Julie. Yeah, I think I ultimately felt like

1005
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: it was like an imperfect but like well meaning attempt

1006
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: for two thousand and three. But let's keep it. I mean,

1007
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: let's keep talking about Lamont because I also like was

1008
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: happy and and that was when I was like, oh,

1009
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: I want to learn about the real Lamont. And it

1010
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 1: sounds like there's a lot of like it sounds like

1011
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: the lamentt of this movie is honestly heavily fictionalized, and

1012
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: the main takeaway is like this basketball player who got

1013
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: injured briefly was the coach of a young Jewish team.

1014
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 1: Like I think that that's maybe the extent to which

1015
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: it is quote unquote based on his life. Yeah, that's

1016
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: what it seems like, because there's not a single mention

1017
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 1: of darts in the movie Full Court Miracle. He should

1018
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: be drinking wine with Alex's dad, you know, like they

1019
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: should be Somalia get up together. But as far as

1020
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 1: Lamont's character goes, I I, I don't know. I'm like again,

1021
01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: I think that there are trophy elements to the way

1022
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: that he's presented in the movie that are like, I

1023
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 1: I don't know what. How did everyone feel? I felt

1024
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 1: like there were magical elements about Lmont that were presented

1025
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: like it it felt like, very firmly in that trope

1026
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,640
Speaker 1: of like the magical black character who shows up and

1027
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:25,640
Speaker 1: you know, helps the white protagonist reach his goal. How

1028
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,360
Speaker 1: I described the movie to people who haven't seen it,

1029
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, like, magical black character who helps a bunch

1030
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 1: of white people be successful and then sort of has

1031
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: their story not really finished or develop Yeah, oh absolutely,

1032
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean I was if that's the story

1033
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: they're trying to tell, like how could they kind of

1034
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: avoid that? But yeah, definitely, Well it's that's so that's

1035
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: the problem is, like I feel like they didn't need

1036
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: to tell the story that way. Like all of the

1037
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: magical elements of this story, I feel like, I don't know,

1038
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 1: it's it's tricky because I under down that the magical

1039
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: elements are part of what makes the Hannakah metaphor so

1040
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 1: central to the story, But I feel like that happens

1041
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: at the expense of Lamont's character and kind of leaning

1042
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: into a trope that is marginalizing Lamont's character, if that

1043
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 1: makes sense. Where there are moments where and again it's

1044
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: like I think that what is Maybe it's still very

1045
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 1: firmly this trip. But we know a lot about Lamont,

1046
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 1: we know about his background, we know what his goals are.

1047
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: Independently of coaching this team of fourteen year old kids.

1048
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: He does achieve that dream briefly, and he does have

1049
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: a fully realized arc where he's realized or reunited with

1050
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 1: his family, and then they're just like, we're going to

1051
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 1: move to Philadelphia. It's kind of clunkry, but but we

1052
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: do know a lot about his character. But it's still like,

1053
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 1: ultimately he is there to like usher these kids to victory.

1054
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: And then there's a few moments where he's straight up

1055
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 1: presented as magical. I mean, in the last scene where

1056
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 1: he shows up and the power is back on in

1057
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 1: the gym, there's no explanation for what it is. That

1058
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 1: was bizarre. Yeah, and for him to be the only

1059
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: black character who has any lines or any characterization whatsoever,

1060
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 1: it's like it is especially glaring. Yeah, I also find

1061
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 1: it funny. This is maybe a little off topic, but

1062
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:25,560
Speaker 1: I find it. I don't even know what to make

1063
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 1: of this, But like the miracle that happens is like

1064
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 1: these kids got to finish their basketball game, the steaks

1065
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 1: that look at these steaks be higher, and I'm like,

1066
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 1: is this really the miracle we need right now for

1067
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 1: these like fourteen year old boys to win their I

1068
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 1: feel like it even less nuanced than that. It was

1069
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: literally like there's only enough oil in this generator or

1070
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 1: whatever energy to for the hell it was to last

1071
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: for one minute, and then it lasts for eight minutes.

1072
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: Like it's even less like right now than you're described.

1073
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 1: It was straight up like the miracle is very specific

1074
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,520
Speaker 1: in one regard. I love that they kept using the

1075
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 1: word like miracle and that that was so heavy handed

1076
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: a bit, because that is like really the point of Hanukkah,

1077
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:25,919
Speaker 1: and the point of Hanakah is like not that it's

1078
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 1: near Christmas at all or like that you get gifts

1079
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 1: or that I don't know, just like any of the

1080
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 1: things that you might associate from just like regular culture

1081
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 1: or whatever. It really is like about this, like I

1082
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: don't know ownership of like that moment and the legitimate

1083
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 1: miracle when a small band of Jews were able to

1084
01:05:45,720 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: like fight oppression and have oil that lasted long enough

1085
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 1: for them to resurrect their temple. And like even though

1086
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 1: like it was so corny and the miracle for these

1087
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,840
Speaker 1: young fourteen year old boys was a basketball game, I

1088
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 1: think it just like made it made it seem accessible,

1089
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 1: Like what what miracle are? You reached to a d

1090
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 1: calm audience that's going to feel that is fair. Usually

1091
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:14,680
Speaker 1: a contest or a sport, it's always like you're going

1092
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 1: to have to win something. Um, but yeah, I mean,

1093
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 1: it's just like framing the context of like a miracle

1094
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:24,479
Speaker 1: around something that a Disney Channel audience is going to think, Wow,

1095
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:29,200
Speaker 1: that really is a miracle. We won our Tarney. That

1096
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 1: is fair. I didn't think of it like that. That

1097
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 1: it makes it very accessible to a young audience. Yeah,

1098
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 1: I think ultimately, I just wish that, like, because there

1099
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 1: is that an amount of attention paid to the Jewish characters,

1100
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 1: that that same amount of consideration had been extended to like, well,

1101
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 1: how are we portraying the only black character in the movie,

1102
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 1: and are we um effectively avoiding stereotypes, which I don't

1103
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 1: think that they we're also I just like I also

1104
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 1: wish this is and I'm sure that this is a

1105
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 1: budgetary thing because like how would you do this? But

1106
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 1: it felt like it kind of reminded me de com

1107
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: wise of the end of High School Musical, where you

1108
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,360
Speaker 1: see all of Zach Afron's basketball game and then you

1109
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: see none of Vanessa Hudgens's science contest and you see

1110
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 1: like five hours of Alex's bast foot football game, and like,

1111
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: what about Lamont. We don't even get to see Lamont

1112
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:26,920
Speaker 1: in the stadium. I'm assuming because they couldn't afford to

1113
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 1: shoot in a stadium. But I felt like his story

1114
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 1: was kind of like dropped, especially after this scene was

1115
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 1: like intense. The scene between Alex and Lamont where Lamont

1116
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 1: has just achieved his life's goal, like he's going to

1117
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 1: play for the seventies six and these kids are furious

1118
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 1: at him. They're so mad, They're like, what the fucking

1119
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 1: dare You could not have been more communicative from the beginning.

1120
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 1: He was straight up like I am in town for

1121
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 1: a reason. It is to play this game with this

1122
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: That's all he's here for. He gets that opportunity and

1123
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 1: suddenly everyone's like, wait, you never told us you'd leave.

1124
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 1: Alex was so out of line. He's like, oh, you

1125
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 1: think that's what your family would want, and Lamont is like, yeah,

1126
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 1: I actually do, Like that's why I came here, right

1127
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: And yeah he even sites like I have a family

1128
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: to support. They're relying on me, And the only reason

1129
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 1: the catalyst that gets Lamont to agree to coach these

1130
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 1: boys is that they offered to pay him, which I'm

1131
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 1: glad they did. Like I was like, imagine the movie

1132
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,320
Speaker 1: if it's like these like you know, son of a

1133
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 1: doctor and real estate agent or like, hey, random guy

1134
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 1: who I'm bothering, who's just on the court shooting hoops,

1135
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 1: cheach my team, but for free. So I'm glad that

1136
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 1: these like these kids had the wherewithal to like understand that,

1137
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 1: you know, someone's labor should be compensated with money, because

1138
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 1: we live in a capitalist society where that's how things work,

1139
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:05,400
Speaker 1: and that is like rooted in like Lamont's motivation to

1140
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 1: where it's like he we we know that he needs

1141
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 1: money to continue pursuing this dream of freelancing with the Sixers,

1142
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 1: which I still whatever, maybe it is, maybe it is

1143
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: I don't know how sports work, Hey bectel heads that

1144
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: are also basketball heads, let us know. So yeah, And

1145
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 1: then also just to the end of I don't know,

1146
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 1: like there were some points where I don't know. I'm

1147
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 1: still I'm still mad about the mystical troping of Lamont,

1148
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 1: But there's there's some moments where his story is very

1149
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 1: front and center, and then other times where it's kind

1150
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:45,600
Speaker 1: of like you're just like, wait, does I know what

1151
01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 1: happened there? Where you do learn so much about him,

1152
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 1: You learn about when they're trying to figure out if

1153
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 1: he's the reincarnation of Judah mccabee. You know, they asked

1154
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 1: him about his background to verify that how many brothers

1155
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 1: did you have? Who is your father? And he answers

1156
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 1: very honestly. We find out that he had a brother

1157
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 1: who was a cop who died, and you're like, well,

1158
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,599
Speaker 1: that's a lot of information. That information does not come

1159
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 1: back by the way, it's just something that you learn um.

1160
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 1: But then but then it's like at the end, I

1161
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:16,440
Speaker 1: think the end, it just becomes so about the basketball

1162
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: game because it's a d com and the kids want

1163
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:21,680
Speaker 1: to know how the basketball game is gonna go. But

1164
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 1: at the end they kind of like Lamont's story. It's

1165
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:28,320
Speaker 1: so like it's literally like when Vanessa Hudgens comes to

1166
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 1: the gym at the end of High School Musical and

1167
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 1: it's like we want to like it's that um, which

1168
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 1: is an iconic moment in cinema where they drop her

1169
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 1: storyline completely, and then she shows up and she's like

1170
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 1: we went to and we're like, okay, who cares? But

1171
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 1: it's like, did you forget to shoot some scenes of

1172
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 1: the movie, because that's what it felt like for this movie,

1173
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 1: where like right Alex's mom goes to like give Lamont

1174
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 1: a ride or something like that, or they like then

1175
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 1: she like they pick up his family at the airport.

1176
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 1: But like those scenes feel like we need those scenes.

1177
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 1: I wish it was unclear that that happened. Ye, and

1178
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 1: then Lamont just is like, oh, yeah, by the way,

1179
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:07,679
Speaker 1: and the scene that we didn't we forgot to shoot

1180
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:12,679
Speaker 1: my family families now and they're actually moving here, which

1181
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 1: also I was like, oh, they're moving here, but he

1182
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 1: just was freelancing. Wouldn't he just go home? But now

1183
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 1: he has a full time job, which he didn't know

1184
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: until they already agreed to move there, So it was

1185
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:26,000
Speaker 1: just kind of confusing. But and also but I guess

1186
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 1: that there is like that's a moment where it's not

1187
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:32,920
Speaker 1: attributed the magical qualities, like not attributed to Lamont, but

1188
01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 1: that scene where the mom shows up at assuming outside

1189
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 1: of the Sixers Stadium whatever, and then she's like trying

1190
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 1: to start your car and he's like, it won't start,

1191
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 1: and then she looks at like lightning and then she's like,

1192
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:50,479
Speaker 1: try to start your car, and then it does start,

1193
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 1: And I was like, I guess that that was the

1194
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 1: magic of Hanic. I don't know. Trying to cut the

1195
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 1: movie a little slack and saying that a lot of

1196
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 1: the magical elements are more about the anka metaphor I

1197
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 1: don't even know have metaphor is the right word because

1198
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 1: it smacks you over the head so obsessively, but less

1199
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 1: about like the magical black character. But I mean, you

1200
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:12,679
Speaker 1: just obviously have to be aware in particular about those things.

1201
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:16,679
Speaker 1: But I'm like trying to not just ruin this movie

1202
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:19,439
Speaker 1: for myself, and I feel like a lot of that,

1203
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 1: like the ghost and the magic and the generator, it's

1204
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:27,080
Speaker 1: more about the Hanukah aspect than this, like right, I

1205
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 1: think it just it becomes complicated when you only have

1206
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 1: one black character in the entire movie and that's the

1207
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 1: expected to be the ghost of an Israeli hero. Yeah,

1208
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 1: it's it's complicated. When I first saw the movie, I

1209
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:44,759
Speaker 1: thought they were going to make like a really cool

1210
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:49,640
Speaker 1: observation when alex Or Schlots is like, I think this

1211
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 1: guy is the ghost of Judah mccabee, and then all

1212
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 1: his little Jewish friends are like, I don't think so.

1213
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 1: And it's obvious that they think he's crazy because A

1214
01:12:57,520 --> 01:13:00,639
Speaker 1: like our ghost real and be it's like this tall

1215
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 1: black guy. And he says like, well, we don't know

1216
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 1: what Judah Maccabee looked like it could have been. And

1217
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 1: at first you kind of think they're going to reference

1218
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 1: the fact that like Jews from Israel were like Middle

1219
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 1: Eastern and maybe like that is what someone looked like,

1220
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:21,640
Speaker 1: and then it doesn't really come back or like, I

1221
01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 1: don't know. When I first saw this, he I was like,

1222
01:13:23,320 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 1: oh my god, are they about to reference the fact

1223
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:28,640
Speaker 1: that like Jews historically have been people of color and

1224
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:31,639
Speaker 1: like are actually Middle Eastern and people's depictions of Jesus

1225
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: are really whitewashed and like all these ideas. And then

1226
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, no, no, no, no, they're just making

1227
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 1: a because it's they don't touch on all right, I was.

1228
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 1: I was, yeah, I was really um hoping that that

1229
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 1: would happen, but this is not the movie where it happens. Yeah.

1230
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 1: Was there is there anything else that people wanted to

1231
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 1: touch on? I didn't really have anything else. I just

1232
01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 1: wanted to say. I truly like, you know, I enjoyed

1233
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 1: the performances in this movie, even that weird scene where

1234
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 1: I truly think the kid was improvising how basketball makes

1235
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 1: him feel um because he was like, you know, when

1236
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 1: you put the thing in the hoop and it feels

1237
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 1: so good. But anyways, line of the movie is when

1238
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 1: Lamont it's just like, I don't know, like you know,

1239
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:22,720
Speaker 1: when someone starts real acting in the movie in the

1240
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,680
Speaker 1: middle of like a movie that it's not like that.

1241
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 1: But when Lamont is like, don't ever do that, don't

1242
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 1: put yourselves in a box, I was like, WHOA, Yeah,

1243
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 1: I felt it. I felt it. That was sweet, mom,

1244
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 1: it was really sweet. You really think a bunch of

1245
01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:40,600
Speaker 1: which kids can win. He's like, don't ever do that?

1246
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 1: That was sweet. I thought that was great. It was great.

1247
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 1: Shout out to the actor who plays Lamont, Richard T. Jones.

1248
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 1: He's been in a bajillion things. I recognized him from

1249
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 1: I know, I like Santa Clarita Diet. The career. Good

1250
01:14:56,920 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 1: for him. So that's my way of saying that I've

1251
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 1: seen Santa Clarita Diet, and you know what, I thought

1252
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 1: it was just fine. I keep thinking, you're gonna say,

1253
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 1: Santa Clause Santa University, which is coming out this season,

1254
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:20,639
Speaker 1: bring him up our Jewish episode. I know. I'm so sorry.

1255
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:23,160
Speaker 1: You really got a way to loop in. Santa. Hey,

1256
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 1: do you want to do you want to be in

1257
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 1: Santa University this year. I would be absolutely honored. Can

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Speaker 1: I play a Jewish character? Yeah? Of course you can. Wow,

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01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 1: this is like really for my career as a freelances.

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Speaker 1: I think this year is going to be called the

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Speaker 1: Santa Vaccine, but I won't know until I write it

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Speaker 1: two minutes before we record. Amazing. Yeah, I'm obsessed. We

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Speaker 1: should really have a star studded cast this year. If

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Speaker 1: you're an extremely famous person, um, and you're listening to

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Speaker 1: this right now, let me know if you want to

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Speaker 1: be in Santa Let's let's try to get Alfred Molina. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's probably gonna be busy doing press for Spider Man,

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Speaker 1: but Santi University counts as press. I would say, I agree,

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Speaker 1: it gets uh it was you know, it gets pressed

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Speaker 1: Santi University. I'm sure millions of people listen. It was

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Speaker 1: on a list. I know about it. I don't even know.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember if that's a lie or not. Um, Well, anyways,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about whether Full Court Miracle passes the Bechtel

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Speaker 1: test or not. I think the answer is no. I

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01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 1: did forget about that scene where Julie and Alex's mom,

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Speaker 1: Who do we learn her first name? At any point,

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Speaker 1: or is she We've learned that her eponymous and his

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Speaker 1: dad's name is Marshall. She's credited as Cynthia. If we

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Speaker 1: learn her name in the movie, I like missed it,

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Speaker 1: so I don't know Alex's mom. Mom Cynthia and Julie

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01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 1: do talk about this like shadowing a doctor program, which

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Speaker 1: I did forget about that scene, but yeah, I feel

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01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:05,799
Speaker 1: like they're they're talking about a male doctor that Julius shadowing,

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01:17:05,880 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 1: and they're talking about having to get to Alex's basketball game.

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01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 1: So it doesn't I was like very like tuned to

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Speaker 1: that scene because I was like, maybe, no, nope, it

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01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 1: doesn't shoot well as far as our nipple scale goes

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Speaker 1: zero to five nipples. Based on examining the movie through

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Speaker 1: an intersectional feminist lens um, I mean for this to

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Speaker 1: be one of four movies that prominently feature Hanukkah. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if that was like a list of like

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01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 1: American films or what exactly, but either way, there are

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01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 1: very few out there, and while Hanukkah is not the

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Speaker 1: most important holiday in the Jewish religion, it would still

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01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:57,840
Speaker 1: be nice to have movies about it and movies about

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01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:02,639
Speaker 1: other holidays. From any religion, because there are eight trillion

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01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 1: Christmas movies and so much representation in media of Christmas,

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01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:11,799
Speaker 1: and there are very few movies about any other holiday

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Speaker 1: or religious celebrations or traditions. Where's the Winter Solstice movie?

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Speaker 1: That's what I want to know. But look, I yeah,

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Speaker 1: I agree, and I also am like, let's get Santi

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Speaker 1: University off the ground as well, So it's complicated for me.

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01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:36,760
Speaker 1: Two things can be true. Yes, So I think it's

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01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:40,760
Speaker 1: really positive for this movie to exist and for young

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01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:44,799
Speaker 1: Jewish kids who saw this movie on the Disney Channel

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01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 1: to have felt represented by it. For adults seeing it

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Speaker 1: for the first time three years ago, such as yourself

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01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:58,480
Speaker 1: Fae feeling represented, I think that is a really positive,

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01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 1: wonderful thing. I don't like the way the female characters

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Speaker 1: are represented, although again, the two adult women do have

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Speaker 1: an arc. They maybe even have a redemption, which is

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Speaker 1: something that we talk about in holiday movies a lot,

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Speaker 1: where it's always like a dad needs to redeem himself

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Speaker 1: because he was a bad daddy, but then he becomes Santa,

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01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:24,280
Speaker 1: now he's a good daddy or whatever those stories are about.

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Speaker 1: I think that that's what it's about. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: we get these, you know, kind of like sticklers, shrewish

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01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:36,240
Speaker 1: type of women. But then they come around and they

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01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 1: have an arc. So I don't know, I feel a

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Speaker 1: few different ways about it. And then Julie just is

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01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 1: like set up to seeing like she's going to be

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Speaker 1: an important character and then is completely sidelined. We learned

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Speaker 1: nothing about her the you know, the magical black character

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01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 1: trope that is present. I don't know. For me this,

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's just going to have to be

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Speaker 1: like a split down the middle, where like there's a

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01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 1: lot of good things, there's some not so good things.

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Speaker 1: Two and a half nipples. I'll give them to the

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01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 1: menorah that is lit in a couple different A fun

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01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 1: Jewish fact about them that is actually just like a

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Speaker 1: candle opera on the specific one you've used for Hanukahs

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01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 1: called a hanukia because it has to have eight little hands,

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01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 1: and then one the main candle lighters called the shamash. Wow,

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Speaker 1: I did not know. So thank you for giving yours

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Speaker 1: your nipples. Yes, oh wait, I'm going to take half

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Speaker 1: nipple away from that and then give my half nipple

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Speaker 1: to the drado wrap. I was gonna say, I'm giving

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01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 1: all my nipples to the dradle wrap. I'll go two

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01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:47,600
Speaker 1: and a half as well. Yeah, I I agree with

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01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:50,000
Speaker 1: that you're saying kill the knife. Like sometimes the Hanukkah

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01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:54,200
Speaker 1: metaphor chafed with other prominent tropes in a way that

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01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 1: went a little under examined. I wish that Julie had

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01:20:59,800 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 1: more to do because I'm just like, you had Manny

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01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:05,400
Speaker 1: Santos and you did what with her Nothing? That's an

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01:21:05,560 --> 01:21:08,639
Speaker 1: interesting decision. Oh and I also just want to say

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01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:10,880
Speaker 1: I think that, like, yeah, this is a great movie

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01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 1: for the representation of Jewish kids, but it's also great

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01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 1: for kids who aren't Jewish to like know more about

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01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:19,640
Speaker 1: Hanukkah because there's not a lot of media that is

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01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:22,599
Speaker 1: gonna I mean it's like Rugrats. I don't know. Absolutely,

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01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 1: this movie gave me a clear understanding of what Hanukah

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01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:30,120
Speaker 1: celebrates than I had before. So that brings me so

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01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 1: much joy, truly and truly like the stuff like I

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01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 1: I yeah, the Shabbat dinner scene, Like I learned a lot.

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01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 1: And it's like kind of embarrassing for the world that

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01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:45,360
Speaker 1: there's not more media that teaches uh non Jews about Judaism. Actually,

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01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:49,400
Speaker 1: the one the media you know, like there you think

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01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 1: you'd have more phase perjuring herself at the end of

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01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 1: the episode, which is interesting. I'm giving my two and

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01:21:56,360 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 1: a half nipples to the dradle wrap. Done, done, beautiful. Hey,

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01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:02,719
Speaker 1: what what do you what do you say? I'm honestly

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01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 1: giving it three nipples. I'm a notoriously lenient about my

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01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 1: nipple giving. Uh And we love that about you. Yeah,

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01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 1: you know, it's still meaning. And I always throw on

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01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 1: a half nipple for intention um. And I just want

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01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 1: to see Jews on TV, Jews played by Jews doing

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01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:27,080
Speaker 1: Jew things. That is my goal. And I love seeing

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01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 1: Honk Kong on TV. And I love seeing a gear

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01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:34,839
Speaker 1: at kids and it just being very chill and casual

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01:22:35,080 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 1: and saying that these kids are just like me. They

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01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 1: play basketball, and yeah, there's no good female characters and

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01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 1: the black character has to be magic. Yeah these things

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01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 1: are true. Well, we have key paws, and we have

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01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 1: Hanu Kiya's and we have a dread rap And for that,

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01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:57,440
Speaker 1: I'm going three nipples. And I will give my nipples

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01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 1: to my non Jew husband for introducing this movie to

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01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 1: me and for being so excited to learn about Judaism

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01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 1: all the time and that is special to me. Ross.

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Speaker 1: We hope we didn't let you doubt. This episode is

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01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:17,120
Speaker 1: dedicated to you, whether you liked it or not. This

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01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 1: is your wedding presents, so you're welcome you wanting to

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01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 1: do a Hanakah episode and hogsamak to everyone out there.

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01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:33,760
Speaker 1: I hope you have such a good hankn like some

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01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:37,600
Speaker 1: pretty candles and just see your family. You're chosen or otherwise,

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01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 1: and you don't have to lean into all the trying

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01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 1: to be Christmas slash capitalism indoctrination moments. There don't have

1387
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 1: to be presents or buying things. It's just supposed to

1388
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 1: be about family and joy and miracles and it's a

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01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 1: pretty holiday shout out to the moment where Alex gets

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01:23:57,479 --> 01:24:01,720
Speaker 1: a an encyclopedia he gets like Wikipedia on c d

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01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:06,680
Speaker 1: s and he's like, thank you, you didn't want that

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01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:10,560
Speaker 1: love that. I do like the way his mom is

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01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:14,519
Speaker 1: characterized as far as like she's just like very self aware,

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01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 1: and she's just like very I don't know, she's just

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01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 1: like has a wonderful awareness about the world and her son.

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01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:23,439
Speaker 1: And she's like, I know you think my cookies suck,

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01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:25,800
Speaker 1: but I gave him to you. Anyway, I know you

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01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:30,400
Speaker 1: don't want Wikipedia on c ds, but guess what it's happening. Um,

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01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:34,880
Speaker 1: I would love Wikipedia on c ds. Well, I guess

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01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:37,759
Speaker 1: that's the episode. Yeah, Faith, thank you so much, everybody,

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01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:42,679
Speaker 1: truly happy Hanuka. That's thank you very much in Hebrew

1402
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 1: Toda and fay. Where can we find you on the

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01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 1: world wide web? Oh my gosh, you can find me

1404
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:52,720
Speaker 1: at fail or love on everything. No, why don't just Instagram?

1405
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 1: I don't do tweets, um and then Junior highs at

1406
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 1: Junior High, l a on Instagram and Twitter. I do

1407
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:01,200
Speaker 1: not run the twe so if you tweet at me,

1408
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:06,080
Speaker 1: I will not see it, um and come to Junior High.

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01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:09,200
Speaker 1: I'm I'm very into doing things. I r L these

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01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 1: days now that everyone's vaccinated, get vaccinated. Also, shout out

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01:25:14,240 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 1: to your art depicting a scene in Titanic, which making

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01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:22,720
Speaker 1: merch for you. Don't worry. Thank you so much. I

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01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Oh sorry, no, I meant for Caitlin,

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01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:30,120
Speaker 1: not Jamie. Oh ship. Yeah yeah I requested it. So

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01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:34,120
Speaker 1: it's that's really now. That's awesome for you guys. That's

1416
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:37,360
Speaker 1: so fun. But Jamie, if you play your cards right,

1417
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 1: maybe I'll give you a certain Winter Solstice gift. Maybe

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01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:43,960
Speaker 1: you guys can like share this mug I'm working on

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01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 1: or something. No, I can't wait to see it. That's

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01:25:47,840 --> 01:25:50,960
Speaker 1: going to be really cool. I'm just getting March for everyone.

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01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 1: Um No, I love you, but thank you so much

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01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:55,759
Speaker 1: for doing a little Hottka episode. I'm sorry there wasn't

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01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:59,640
Speaker 1: a better you a lot. Well, hopefully there'll be more

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01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:02,360
Speaker 1: soon and I hope you should write a Hanuka movie.

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01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:07,599
Speaker 1: Maybe I will use my knowledge of not writing movies

1426
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:12,679
Speaker 1: to take my screenwriting class. This was actually a long ad. Yeah, Caitlyns,

1427
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 1: just trying to get your money. Literally count me and

1428
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:20,400
Speaker 1: I'm not sicko. You can find that. You can find

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01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:22,840
Speaker 1: The Bechtel Cast on the Internet as well. We're on

1430
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:25,559
Speaker 1: Instagram and Twitter at Bechtel Cast. You can get merch

1431
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 1: for whatever holiday you celebrate. Because capitalism rocks, rolls and

1432
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 1: rules baby, no matter what religion, we by by Capitalism

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01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:39,080
Speaker 1: Babies as a t public dot com slash the Bechtel Cast.

1434
01:26:39,160 --> 01:26:42,280
Speaker 1: You can also join our patreon ak Matreon where we

1435
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:46,519
Speaker 1: cover two additional movies just Me and Caitlin every month.

1436
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:49,559
Speaker 1: And what are we? What are we doing where? Does

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01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 1: ever do it. We're doing another Princess Switch because we're pilled.

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01:26:55,520 --> 01:27:01,720
Speaker 1: He's not quite Princess Switch three not enough. Vanessa Hudgens is, yes,

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01:27:01,840 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 1: that's our advances should be at least five. And then

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01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 1: I think we're still deciding on a second December Matreon movie,

1441
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 1: so stay tuned. But yeah, Fai, thank you again for

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01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 1: being here. Come back anytime. Thank you, and Happy Hanukkah

1443
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 1: to you all. Bye bye training trade trade on trail trade,

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01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:34,760
Speaker 1: trade on train, trail, trail trade