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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Imagine someone taking your mother hostage,

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Speaker 1: assaulting her, beating her, raping her the whole time you

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace and this is Crime Stories. Thank you

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Speaker 1: for being with us here at Fox Nation and series

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Speaker 1: x M one eleven. Listen to this Watering and Falk

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Speaker 1: egally it's a blue looks like an arm play. Can't

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Speaker 1: play as if an attacker would grab a woman at

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Speaker 1: her hands are tied and she's screaming for help. What

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Speaker 1: Listen At about nine o five last night, over on

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Speaker 1: She was screaming for help. They then saw her being

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Speaker 1: forced back into a vehicle by a male male put

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Speaker 1: the witnesses reported it, they had a good tag number.

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Speaker 1: There was surveillance at the Walgreens. Okay, I just heard

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Speaker 1: something very interesting. So he's kidnapping the woman at this Walgreens. Brazen,

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Speaker 1: dichotomy between those actions and then the putting the seatbelt

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Speaker 1: make sense of what we know right now. But first

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Speaker 1: I want to go to Gloria Gomas, court reporter with

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Speaker 1: Fox thirteen in Tampa Bay. Gloria Gomez, thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. Where is Walgreens and Fish Shawl? Where

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Speaker 1: is that? That's in the Tampa Bay area and it's

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Speaker 1: How far from Tampa? I would say about twenty five

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Speaker 1: in Tampa and they live there exactly, So that's very unusual.

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Speaker 1: Just off the cuff to Greg Smith joining us, Special

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Speaker 1: Deputy Sheriff of Johnson County Sheriff's Office, the executive directs

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Speaker 1: of Kelsey Smith Foundation. You can find him at Kelsey's

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Speaker 1: Army dot com. Greg, thanks for being with us. The

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Speaker 1: reason I'm asking is because we expect kidnapping, arm kidnappings,

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Speaker 1: But really a bedroom community outside of Tampa, Tampa Bay

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Speaker 1: that kind of defies statistics. Right, Well, yes and no.

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Speaker 1: I mean my daughter's kidnapping happened in over In Park, Kansas,

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Speaker 1: more likely to happen in big cities? Yes, sure you know,

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Speaker 1: Greg Smith, you just stated so perfectly one of my

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Speaker 1: Fox thirteen, Tampa Bay. Gloria, describe what we know about

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Speaker 1: the kidnap itself. You were hearing someone a callmate made

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Speaker 1: I hope I've brainwashed them with me. Kathleen Murphy, family

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Speaker 1: We say family law, it's all nice and cozy like

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Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy at NC Domestic Law dot com. Kathleen, you're

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Speaker 1: a trial lawyer. Why does so much go down after midnight. Well,

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Speaker 1: a listener more from the Hillsborough County Sheriff. Surely after

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Speaker 1: is going to happen. And Karen Stark, he thinks, in

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Speaker 1: his effort to get her back, sneaking in through the window,

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Speaker 1: having the fourteen year old drive away with the other

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Speaker 1: four minor children and what hide out in the car,

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Speaker 1: and hog tying her with Christmas slice and raping her

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Speaker 1: over and over, that's somehow going to woo her back. Well, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: you are being very rational. I mean, this is not

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Speaker 1: a guy who's sitting there and thinking, well, what is

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Speaker 1: the rational thing for me to do here? Obviously he

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Speaker 1: feels like my ego has been bruised. She's with somebody else.

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Speaker 1: I don't want this to happen. It's not about I

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Speaker 1: want to have a good life. I want to have

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Speaker 1: a good life. I want my children to be Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's about him. It's about him. She can't leave me,

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Speaker 1: she can't do this to me. And I'm getting revenge

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Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace. What can you tell me,

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Speaker 1: Glory to go? Mess about the goodbye letters he wrote

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Speaker 1: to their five children. What did those letters say? He

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Speaker 1: talked about how he wanted a better life for them,

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Speaker 1: that you know that mommy and Daddy were going to

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Speaker 1: miss them, and that this had to be done. And

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Speaker 1: he basically said that they loved him, that he loved

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Speaker 1: the children, but this was the way it had to

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Speaker 1: be and that was it. You know, I think that

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Speaker 1: would be my biggest fear is to be separated from

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Speaker 1: my children. Karen Stark. And here is a mother of

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Speaker 1: five who finally gets free of this guy. She's rebuilding

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Speaker 1: her life. She's the one living with the five children

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Speaker 1: and taking care of them, when this a hole comes

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Speaker 1: through the window, kidnaps her, rapes her over and over,

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Speaker 1: tries to smother her multiple times. I think the worst

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Speaker 1: part all of that would be being taken away from

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Speaker 1: your children. Can you imagine five children left without mother?

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Speaker 1: And we know, Nancy that there are situations where the

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Speaker 1: outcome is not as good as this one, where children

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Speaker 1: are left without their mother and it's terrific. I think

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Speaker 1: two of the young children were actually in the room

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Speaker 1: in touch with his daughter, with the fourteen year old,

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Speaker 1: and she is blaming herself, absolutely blaming herself for having

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Speaker 1: let her dad go in through the window. And they

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Speaker 1: were really just trying to get their family back together again.

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Speaker 1: There was a new man and they were not happy

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Speaker 1: about that. They were so innocent, they were really innocent,

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Speaker 1: and he or she is thinking, that's it. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to lose my five children, this is the end. I

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Speaker 1: can only imagine what was going through her mind during

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Speaker 1: all of this. Well, it didn't error and we can

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Speaker 1: only thank Crosby from Walgrains for saving this woman's life. Listen,

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Speaker 1: this morning, we had a citizen who alerted us that

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Speaker 1: a car fitting that description was part right in this

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Speaker 1: area and it's in the area of the crime scene.

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Speaker 1: Take close to me. We converged on this area. Uh,

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Speaker 1: the car left and traveled about, you know, within a

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Speaker 1: mile of this area and went into a garage area

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Speaker 1: of cardboard area of a house of skill and stilts

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Speaker 1: and just parked there. The deputies, some uniformed and some

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Speaker 1: playing fosed deputies converged on that address and attempt to

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Speaker 1: rescue um the victim. You know, I'm interesting. I mentioned

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Speaker 1: David Crosby as calling police when he sees the victim

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Speaker 1: being forced into a car with our hands tied. But

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Speaker 1: then another citizen. This is very reminiscent of the Gabby

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Speaker 1: Potito case when the whole country was looking for Gabby

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Speaker 1: Potito and then a civilian Red White and Bethan remember

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Speaker 1: that was their name, Jackie, their handle online, was out

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Speaker 1: camping and they saw a van that was similar to

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Speaker 1: Gabby Potitos and called it in and that's how Gabby

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Speaker 1: was ultimately found. So Gloria Goma is joining us. Fox thirteen.

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Speaker 1: You have another citizen who knows the description of the

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Speaker 1: suv from Walgreen's parking lot and sees it part t

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Speaker 1: where I believe that that's where the safe house was,

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Speaker 1: in a remote area of Hillborough County. So wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: he takes the car, he takes her in the suv

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Speaker 1: and then hides out so nobody can find him. Right that,

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Speaker 1: they go off and apparently Elsa's testimony is that they

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Speaker 1: drove around. He was looking for a quote safe house

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Speaker 1: that he knew of and finally ended up in a

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Speaker 1: remote area out in the outskirts of Tampa, probably about

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Speaker 1: twenty five miles from Tampa again and ended up in

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Speaker 1: this home. And that's where the Good Samaritans saw that

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Speaker 1: description of the vehicle, called it in and then police

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Speaker 1: surrounded the home. That is amazing, Gloria Gomez in Greg

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Speaker 1: Smith joining us with the Johnson County Sheriff's officing Kelsey's

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Speaker 1: Army dot com. I've got no doubt in my mind,

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Speaker 1: Greg Smith, he took her out to this remote location

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Speaker 1: to kill her. Oh absolutely. I mean that's a common thing.

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Speaker 1: You've One of the things that we teach at the

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Speaker 1: Kelsey Smith Foundation is if you leave crime scene one,

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Speaker 1: you're not going to survive crime scene two. Crimescene one

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Speaker 1: is usually where the abduction takes place, and then they

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Speaker 1: take you someplace where they feel safe, where they think

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Speaker 1: they're in control, where they can do whatever they want. So,

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Speaker 1: by all means, he he had a plan. I don't

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Speaker 1: know that he had it planned out, but he had

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Speaker 1: a plan that he was at least making up on

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Speaker 1: the plot. I think, Nancy. His original plan was to

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Speaker 1: charter a boat and go out to sea, and then

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Speaker 1: to kill both of them and to dump her body.

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Speaker 1: And you know, how often is it that we see

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Speaker 1: the mastermind kill the other person in the murder suicide

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Speaker 1: pact and then amazingly they managed to live in any event,

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Speaker 1: he was set to kill her, leaving five orphans behind.

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Speaker 1: But listen to our friends at WKMG. Some breaking new

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Speaker 1: developments in Hillsborough County, where deputy say a woman kidnapped

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Speaker 1: by her a strange husband has just been found. The

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Speaker 1: Sheriff's office says the suspect convinced their fourteen year old

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Speaker 1: daughter to leave a window open on Friday night so

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Speaker 1: he could come in and talk to his ex about

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Speaker 1: their marriage. The sheriff said today Trevor Summers told the

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Speaker 1: girl to take his car and drive her four siblings

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Speaker 1: to his house. On Saturday, Dedeca, a witness saw a

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Speaker 1: man forced a woman into an suv outside of the Walgreens.

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Speaker 1: They say the woman had her hands tied behind her

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Speaker 1: back and was screaming for help before she was pushed

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Speaker 1: back into that car. Deputy say Trevor Summers was tracked

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Speaker 1: down after a tip this morning. They say he resisted

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Speaker 1: a rest and appeared to have a self inflicted knife

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Speaker 1: wound along his throat, a self inflated knife lown. Please stop.

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Speaker 1: He does all this to his wife, and he scratches

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Speaker 1: himself on the neck, And I'm supposed to feel sorry

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Speaker 1: for him. I'm not. I don't feel sorry for him.

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Speaker 1: To hay with him, and he manages to survive his

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Speaker 1: suicide attempt. But wait a minute, listen to our cut

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Speaker 1: seventeen Jackie. Our friends at w FLA Summers in her attorney,

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Speaker 1: spend nearly five hours in court today for a grueling

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Speaker 1: custody battle between her and her husband, and when they

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Speaker 1: walked out today they were not happy with the outcome.

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Speaker 1: It took something like this to occur for the police

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Speaker 1: to even take her seriously. And I can't say what

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Speaker 1: happened today, but I can't tell you that we're very

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Speaker 1: disappointed in the outcome today. Attorney Stephen Glaro says his client,

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Speaker 1: Elisa Summers, won't give up fighting for her children. The

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Speaker 1: five kids, ranging in age from fourteen to three years old,

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Speaker 1: are currently staying with Trevor Summer's parents. He remains behind bars,

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Speaker 1: accused of kidnapping her Saturday. This is going to prevent

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Speaker 1: other people from coming forward when there's domestic violence, okay,

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Speaker 1: Gloria gum As Fox thirteen. I don't understand. He rapes

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Speaker 1: and kidnaps her, tries to kill her repeatedly, and some

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Speaker 1: judge didn't give her full custody. Right. It was one

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Speaker 1: of those situations where Alisa was so upset and frustrated,

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Speaker 1: not understanding why the justice system would do this to her,

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Speaker 1: and she fought it and thought it and then Trevor

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Speaker 1: Summers parents got involved, and so that complicated matters even more.

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Speaker 1: It was a legal mess. And so now she's dealing

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Speaker 1: with the criminal case, but she's also dealing with the

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Speaker 1: family matter case. What idiot judge would not give her

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Speaker 1: a custody I don't understand that, Maria. It happened. It happened.

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Speaker 1: It took a while for things to be get sorted out,

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Speaker 1: but it was messing for a while. Now judge needs

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Speaker 1: to be thrown off the bench. But I can now

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Speaker 1: give you the good news. Take a listen to our cut.

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Speaker 1: Twenty eight WTSP Guilty. A man accused of kidnapping and

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Speaker 1: holding his former wife hostage was found guilty and all

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Speaker 1: charges by a jury today. In twenty seventeen, investigators say

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Speaker 1: Trevor Summers manipulated their fourteen year old daughter into taking

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Speaker 1: his car and leaving with her with her four younger siblings,

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Speaker 1: while Summers went into the house and took their mother,

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Speaker 1: Alyssa Summers. She was later found after someone spotted her

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Speaker 1: trying to escape. By a miracle, she escaped with her

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Speaker 1: life and then has a judge not give her full custody.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfalse Nancy Grace Crumb's story signing

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Speaker 1: off Goodbye Friend,