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Speaker 2: The World's of Vigeon podcast.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 4: I'm looking on the screen on NFL Network now the

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Speaker 4: coach's photo, which is amazing.

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Speaker 5: How every year it gets dissected and analyzed.

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Speaker 3: This is worse than the schedule release.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Rabel was front and center with his legs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's taking a lot of space up man spreading.

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Speaker 6: Jess came with me on Sunday to the draft party

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Speaker 6: and she was like, watching you interact with Dante's Barnekio

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Speaker 6: was something else.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't as good as when he called Jenny Dell

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Speaker 1: old to her face though.

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Speaker 5: That was Yeah, you called her old.

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Speaker 6: Well, like accidentally she came up to me and introduced herself.

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Speaker 6: I'd never met her before that you look old, like.

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Speaker 6: I feel like the auditor probably will be the one

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Speaker 6: that falls because of the inexperience with that name.

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Speaker 7: Right off, Like he didn't even think about it, and

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Speaker 7: they know Vera Tucka.

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Speaker 3: I'm out on a team. It's not we you are

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Speaker 3: on this.

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Speaker 4: I wish get paid by the same people that pay them.

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Speaker 4: You're on the team, Paul, No, I'm not definitely. Okay,

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Speaker 4: you're gonna stop catching those checks.

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Speaker 6: Last week, Barth goes, well, we're gonna do special teams, right,

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Speaker 6: And I was like, I wasn't planning on it, to

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Speaker 6: be honest with you. And so tomorrow, well we're doing

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Speaker 6: special teams.

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Speaker 5: Do tune in for that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here

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Speaker 5: at Jillette Stadium. The gang's all here.

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Speaker 4: Evan, Paul, Me, Deuce, Alex, Matt and Alex in the

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Speaker 4: booth talking Patriots, talking whatever on this Thursday, another rainy

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Speaker 4: Thursday in Foxborough. Are we ever gonna really have like

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Speaker 4: some consecutive days? We're gonna we can't stack Sundays? You know,

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Speaker 4: I'd like to stack some Sundays, but we can't do it.

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Speaker 1: No, you get some yard work building up.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I am have a lot of outdoor work I

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Speaker 5: need to do.

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Speaker 1: I gotta do a burn. I'm kind of intimidated.

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Speaker 5: Oh your first burn?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's been wingering for about different things five years

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Speaker 9: social media.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you have your hose near Oh I know.

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Speaker 9: I talked to the fire the fire guy in town,

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Speaker 9: and I was like, I'm scared because I did burn

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Speaker 9: down two acres.

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Speaker 1: Of forrest as a child. This is a story. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what's going on here? I'm a fire bandit No, we

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Speaker 1: burned down. Well, it's in the woods.

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Speaker 9: A friend of mine and I we used to go

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Speaker 6: We went out in April vacation. We found this this old.

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Speaker 9: Game with my sisters and he can see the smoke

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Speaker 6: So I had to go to the fire department get

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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's mine, I'm sure.

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Speaker 6: So I'm worried.

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Speaker 9: So now you can see why I'm concerned that I'm

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Speaker 9: going to light a fire about fifty feet from my

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Speaker 4: Have not at this house, but in my past house

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Speaker 1: Never done that, No, I'm scared.

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Speaker 5: I know. Yeah. Just make sure you have water nearby.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why I'll be And then make sure when

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Speaker 9: I think we'll be all right, but I still just

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Speaker 9: On the day of that you can get the fire

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Speaker 5: Sometimes some towns are more strict than others.

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Speaker 9: But I can't do a well training fret. So that's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, well there you go. There's your headline for today,

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Speaker 4: and the show is often running deuce.

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Speaker 3: I didn't expect that pyromania.

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Speaker 9: Only you right, don't go smoke, don't yeah, especially in April,

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Speaker 1: All right, So what do we got anything? Anything new?

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Speaker 4: You know, the owner's meetings are done. Everyone's back from that.

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Speaker 4: Things are kind of quiet, right.

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Speaker 9: I saw a little thing I thought was interesting, Adam

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Speaker 9: Schefter reporting that that the way they came up with

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Speaker 9: do it next year for hard knocks, and that the

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Speaker 9: Patriots like, we'll do it next year. And they're like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: That was what Adam Schefter was reporting. So yeah, and

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Speaker 4: That probably now that ESPN is part of the NFL network,

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Speaker 4: a little commitment going forward, you know, like every year.

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Speaker 4: We don't want to have to be twisting arms.

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Speaker 9: So yeah, I mean the article I read, they also

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Speaker 1: Revive it a little bit.

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Speaker 9: How would you revive Like, you got to give real access,

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Speaker 9: You got to show real stuff that's going to move

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Speaker 4: What's your three point plan of reviving hard knots?

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Speaker 9: All right, show guys getting cut, No more about the

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Speaker 1: We get it, we know it's hard, but you know,

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Speaker 6: Foot our husband who's making tens of million.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like they're going to war sometimes.

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Speaker 6: It's like it. You know, the families at home get

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Speaker 9: stuff that's real that they haven't shown you anymore.

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Speaker 4: How do you do that without, you know, either offending

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they got to show players getting cut. I know

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Speaker 6: I think the other thing that, you know, I always

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Speaker 6: So just like things like that that I think are if.

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Speaker 4: I was Films and Slash ESPN, my thing would be,

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Speaker 5: We have to have access to everything.

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Speaker 7: I just think it's circumstantial. I think there's some years

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Speaker 2: That's what people are too.

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Speaker 3: No, Like, that's to me ready made for a television.

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Speaker 6: You know, and then he did like that He's talking

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Speaker 3: Like, what are you doing?

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Speaker 6: And like, you know, like those are the people that

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Speaker 6: And we just fixed that for you.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, probably, I mean it's gotta be the first time

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Speaker 9: I think that there's some interest in that. How do

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Speaker 5: Yep, all right, So there's that anything else, Just wrap.

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Speaker 8: It up, all right.

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Speaker 3: I'm just looking at Kirk Cousins on NFL Network.

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Speaker 7: He's going to pass Brady with this contract? Much respect,

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Speaker 7: Yeah, he's been a decent player, but he shouldn't be

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Speaker 5: He was living off those franchise tags, right.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely, he's also, isn't he super frugal, like he drives

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Speaker 6: In laws and he just puts his pants on.

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Speaker 10: I just love the idea of like him and Fernando

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Speaker 6: I just don't a good point entirely know from a

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Speaker 6: They're not gonna They're not gonna do that thing.

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Speaker 6: There's no way, there's no way that that Kirk Cousins

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Speaker 5: Why do you say that?

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Speaker 6: Because kirk Cousins is just not the same guy he

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Speaker 6: that kirk Cousins is going to be some great mentor

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Speaker 6: they might be kindred spirits, they might get along great,

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Speaker 4: Is Mendoza healthy right now? He didn't finish the season

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Speaker 6: On and play championship national championship.

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Speaker 5: I know, I know, but he wasn't playing through anything.

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Speaker 7: No, Okay, is there not a possibility that the Raiders

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Is that not like a possibility? So instead of starting

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Speaker 7: I mean, we all know he's going to be the

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Speaker 1: And he comes in as a willing partner, then why not?

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Speaker 12: Right?

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Speaker 6: Well, but he wasn't a very willing partner for no

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Speaker 6: I know, but that was.

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Speaker 7: A completely different situation. They signed him to be the starter,

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Speaker 6: Him with I understand, but he's now going to be

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Speaker 7: Yeah, not really if you read the stuff, but give

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Speaker 6: Yeah, because there's because there's offset money with Atlanta.

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Speaker 7: Right, So the Raiders got basically a guy for eleven

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Speaker 3: And if they need him to play, he can play.

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Speaker 7: Maybe maybe he plays two games, you know, just to

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Speaker 5: His cousins is okay with it.

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Speaker 3: Why not?

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Speaker 7: And again, the difference between Atlanta and this is he

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Speaker 3: I'm here to help this.

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Speaker 5: Kid, right.

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Speaker 3: He didn't do that in Atlanta, right, I'm going to

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Speaker 5: That wasn't the circumstances. This is different. Like you said,

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Speaker 7: Now he can't play anymore. I agree with Evan on

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Speaker 3: That's basically what he's done the last three years.

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Speaker 6: It's just been a very odd offseason for the Raiders.

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Speaker 3: All the way down to lot of strange stuff Max.

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Speaker 6: Like this is a I wouldn't.

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Speaker 4: Look at the signing of Cousins as incompetence. I would

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Speaker 3: I just don't know how.

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Speaker 6: I'm not saying it's incompetent. I'm saying that, but what

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Speaker 5: Like you know, like if they don't know what they're doing,

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Speaker 7: So you know, who else wanted them for the same

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Speaker 5: Guy ready, then at least maybe we can get off

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I like, all right, whatever.

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Speaker 4: But more importantly, their minority owner was at the Celtics

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Speaker 5: Right which.

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Speaker 7: In whatever Guy mis Patrick, he was, Oh, I forgot

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Speaker 6: I wonder who he was rooting for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just a family.

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Speaker 2: He's a Miami resident.

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Speaker 3: So NBA action last night with his son, My god.

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Speaker 3: Talk about a lack of efforts.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Celtics scored one hundred and forty points. That you

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Speaker 3: They didn't even get in the way.

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Speaker 5: They had fifty three points in the first quarter.

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Speaker 5: Were hitting everything. It was unbelievable. Speaking of quarterbacks that

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Speaker 1: Continues to be smoked from that whole situation, which.

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Speaker 6: Didn't really care for that either.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like, just it sounds what do you mean.

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Speaker 3: Why do you think the Patriots are going to acquire

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Speaker 3: Because that's why he's been.

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Speaker 10: On Well that was always that was always my like

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Speaker 10: Like, why do you want to leave the Eagles? Seems

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Speaker 9: It seems temperamental, But I so who's the problem, hurts

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Speaker 9: are Brown?

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Speaker 6: It depends to you as Nick Sirianni and the Eagles, Like,

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Speaker 6: think that Jalen hurts there. They think that he needs

451
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Speaker 6: a kick in the ass to try to diversify and

452
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Speaker 6: go outside his compt zone. And they might be right,

453
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Speaker 6: but to like leak it all to Jeremy Fowler like

454
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Speaker 6: that and have his whole expos published basically taking down

455
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Speaker 6: your star quarterback that just won you a Super Bowl

456
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Speaker 6: two years ago.

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Speaker 9: Has there been a more precipitous decline from a Super

458
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Speaker 9: Bowl champion to like this point right now where you're

459
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Speaker 9: kind of pointing at him and saying he's a problem

460
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Speaker 9: for us.

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Speaker 1: I mean two years ago, at this point he was

462
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Speaker 1: kind of a darling.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I didn't go back to that flag football

464
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Speaker 9: thing where Brady's playing. Then all of a sudden, Jalen

465
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Speaker 9: Hurts is out there, like and there's Jalen Hurts like this.

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Speaker 5: I just want to, like they say, NFL not for long.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he played well in both Super Bowls, Like they

468
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Speaker 6: didn't win the first one, but he played really well

469
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Speaker 6: in that game. And I don't know the end, not

470
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Speaker 6: how I would handle it, Like why played?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 1: You need this guy?

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Speaker 9: I mean, you know, are you gonna you risking completely

474
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Speaker 9: alienating alienating him?

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Speaker 1: This has been something that's been going on for how

476
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Speaker 1: long now?

477
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Speaker 9: I mean how long? I mean this whole past season.

478
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Speaker 9: It felt like they were fingers being pointed at him,

479
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Speaker 9: and even into the year before right like they were

480
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Speaker 9: kind of at a crossroads.

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Speaker 3: Like Jalen Hurt's kind of on that sy I don't

482
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Speaker 3: like Jalen Hurt.

483
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, is he kind of.

484
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Speaker 5: A quiet, stubborn guy.

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Speaker 9: I mean that's the impression the article would give you, Yeah,

486
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Speaker 9: about quiet, But he's I.

487
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Speaker 6: Think as a thrower he's limited, and I think there's

488
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Speaker 6: there's As a passer, there's only certain things that he

489
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Speaker 6: feels comfortable doing. You know, like historically, he's not somebody

490
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Speaker 6: that likes to throw the ball to the middle of

491
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Speaker 6: the field, especially the intermediate middle, and so teams just

492
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Speaker 6: know their offense is just we're gonna throw go balls

493
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Speaker 6: on the outside to AJ Brown and DeVante Smith and

494
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Speaker 6: that's sort of their They're the majority of their passing plays.

495
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Speaker 6: And so when you start to get tape out there

496
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Speaker 6: and these defensive coordinators sink their teeth into it. He's

497
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Speaker 6: just been a little bit slow to adapt to some

498
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Speaker 6: of the things that the league has adapted to him.

499
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Speaker 6: And I would also say his his rushing for whatever reason,

500
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Speaker 6: has declined and he's not the runner that he was

501
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Speaker 6: when he came out of college and early on in

502
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Speaker 6: his Eagles career, So I think that that all plays

503
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Speaker 6: the factor in it. But these stories come out, you know,

504
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Speaker 6: the same thing happened last offseason with Caleb Williams, and

505
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Speaker 6: there was a takedown piece about Caleb Williams and his

506
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Speaker 6: rookie season with the Bears, and then Caleb Williams takes

507
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Speaker 6: the Bears to the playoffs and wins a playoff game

508
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Speaker 6: with a competent head coach the next year. So it

509
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Speaker 6: just maybe it works, like maybe that was motivation for

510
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Speaker 6: Caleb Williams. Maybe they they hit the right buttons and

511
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Speaker 6: struck the right chords. But it's just a weird thing

512
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Speaker 6: to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: The league released some rule changes or suggestions the other day.

515
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Speaker 4: One of them is on side kick. Now you can

516
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Speaker 4: ask to do that at any time during the game.

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Speaker 1: Now, yeah, what did I missed?

518
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Speaker 3: But before, what was it before? You could only do

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Speaker 3: it in the fourth quarters.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Okay, it's kind of irrelevant because you can't do

521
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Speaker 7: it in the first quarter. In surprise anybody. You have

522
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Speaker 7: to declare I'm doing an onside kick, So it's completely irrelevant.

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Speaker 5: I know.

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Speaker 6: There's no more same Super Bowl rise on sidekick.

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Speaker 5: Right, that was one of them. What else? What else

526
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Speaker 5: are they talking about?

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Speaker 6: They're gonna have like, uh, well, this one I thought

528
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Speaker 6: was weird. If they have a referee hold out and

529
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Speaker 6: they have to use replacement referees, they're going to allow

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Speaker 6: the situation room to correct clear and obvious fouls. I'm

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Speaker 6: not so sure why it matters whether they're they're they're

532
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Speaker 6: the full time refs or they're the replacement refs. Right,

533
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Speaker 6: shouldn't we just do that? Anyways?

534
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Speaker 1: They don't.

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Speaker 3: They know they.

536
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Speaker 6: Eye in the sky will sometimes nap down and say, hey,

537
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Speaker 6: let's move the butt.

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Speaker 7: I think they're going to involved I guess didn't they

539
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Speaker 7: do like penalties too?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, this is like what a lot of people have

541
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Speaker 6: been pushing for.

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Speaker 3: Clear and obvious fouls. Yeah, clear and obvious they did.

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Speaker 7: It used to be like that, Yeah, they could do

544
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Speaker 7: like no, no, no, no, you guys called that a catch.

545
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Speaker 3: He clearly didn't catch it, just overturn it. So holding

546
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Speaker 3: I think they said fouls, Okay, it says.

547
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Speaker 9: Clear and obvious as Paul quote, including fouls for roughing

548
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Speaker 9: the past or intentional grounding or just qualification past like that.

549
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Speaker 9: What else you got just qualification consultation. League personnel in

550
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Speaker 9: New York can now consult with on field officials regarding

551
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Speaker 9: player rejections, receiving team alignment, modification of the kickoff alignment

552
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Speaker 9: requirements in the setup zone to increase returns. So they're

553
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Speaker 9: continuing to try to grow, say what it.

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Speaker 1: Is not here? No, but I've seen that a couple

555
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Speaker 1: different times. I'm not sure exactly what it is.

556
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Speaker 7: Less you we got nothing in terms of you know,

557
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Speaker 7: dramatic changes, no rule changes.

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Speaker 6: Or earlier practice for PEP players.

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Speaker 3: Well, they did.

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Speaker 4: They they're going to fix that one where if you

561
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Speaker 4: end up kicking from the fifty. Yeah, they're going to

562
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Speaker 4: fix that so that you don't get incentive to kick

563
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Speaker 4: it out of balance.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, yeah, there's talks of that. The pup thing,

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Speaker 6: I guess is just relevant to know when that time

566
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Speaker 6: comes of that time of year with the pup guys.

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Speaker 6: I think it's two weeks now, right that it's it

568
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Speaker 6: used to be four, Now it's two that you can

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Speaker 6: activate guys off pup.

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Speaker 7: Right, Well, I think you can practice practice. I thought

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Speaker 7: it was your good stuff and practice.

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Speaker 1: Practice after this team's second regular season game.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so you can kind of it, so it's kind

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Speaker 3: of another nothing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I thought it was that they were looking to allow

577
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Speaker 6: them to come back. Okay, so then it really doesn't matter.

578
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Speaker 6: But there was a proposal by the Browns to extend

579
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Speaker 6: how far out you could trade draft picks, and that

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Speaker 6: I guess fell flat.

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Speaker 3: Well they tried, they took it away. Yeah, because they

582
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Speaker 3: didn't do it.

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Speaker 6: There wasn't enough traction for it, I assuming, so not

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Speaker 6: a not a whole lot.

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Speaker 4: Okay, all right, well eight five five pasts five hundred

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Speaker 4: is the Hotline podcast at Patriots dot com. Is the

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Speaker 4: email address. Let's get right into it. We'll start with

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Speaker 4: Herm in d C.

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Speaker 5: What's up, Herming?

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Speaker 13: Hey, I think i'll listen to when you got the

591
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Speaker 13: break down yesterday and you guys are doing tight ends

592
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Speaker 13: what next week?

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Speaker 14: Uh?

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Speaker 13: Yep, Okay, I'm definitely looking forward to that because, uh,

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Speaker 13: I know you specifically dudes, you really love I'll see

596
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Speaker 13: Kenya Sadik, right. But for me, I feel like, and

597
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Speaker 13: I'm trying to look this up yesterday, I don't remember

598
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Speaker 13: a tighter the stars being you know, I guess like

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Speaker 13: a superstar maybe maybe Shannon Shark who's out around, maybe

600
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Speaker 13: like the six two range. So I guess my question

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Speaker 13: is this, what is the case against uh Sam Rouse?

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Speaker 12: Right?

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Speaker 13: I mean the guys, I mean what six six? I'm

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Speaker 13: a you know, basket player myself, so maybe I've gractate

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Speaker 13: for like bigger guys, I mean him, And what is

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Speaker 13: this don Younger since like the same side, the one

607
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Speaker 13: place also going to play defense, right, so six six?

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Speaker 13: Uh what twitter six pounds? Relativeally? You know, little drop right,

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Speaker 13: I think seven drops and hedy targets last year, great

610
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Speaker 13: football family, Right, So I guess my over question is

611
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Speaker 13: what will be the case against picking Sam Rows? They

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Speaker 13: take a third route?

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Speaker 5: Okay, thanks?

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Speaker 9: I mean just developmentally, he's gonna be moves the needle

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Speaker 9: in the passing game.

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Speaker 1: I think he's got blocking and he's yeah.

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Speaker 6: I mean like there's no like he said, what's the

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Speaker 6: case against him? I don't mean to make a case

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Speaker 6: against him. Like if they drafted him in the third round,

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Speaker 6: I'd feel pretty good about that pick. So I'm not

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Speaker 6: saying that he's not a good player, good prospect, but

622
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Speaker 6: at two sixty five, he's a little clunky. The way

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Speaker 6: he moves at the top of the route. You know,

624
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Speaker 6: he's not a big time separator, I would say through

625
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Speaker 6: the top of the route because of that, uh, you know,

626
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Speaker 6: does some things at the top of the route technique wise,

627
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Speaker 6: it's going to have to be coached up. Uh. And

628
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Speaker 6: then the biggest thing I would say is his arm

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Speaker 6: length and his wingspan are historical aulliers, like historically bad

630
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Speaker 6: in terms of short arms, short wingspan. So you know,

631
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Speaker 6: we're doing that whole thing again, but we all already

632
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Speaker 6: kind of know what that means as a blocker, right

633
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Speaker 6: in terms of his arm length and the stuff that

634
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Speaker 6: we talk about with arm lanes that tackle it tight

635
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Speaker 6: ends right next to the tackle, so it's all the

636
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Speaker 6: same kind of stuff. And then I would say the

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Speaker 6: arm length and the wingspan also contributes to his catch radius.

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Speaker 6: And you know how big of a net he can

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Speaker 6: cast in terms of catching the football, especially over the

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Speaker 6: middle of the field. So he has like this like

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Speaker 6: sod Off frame where he's you know, got these short arms,

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Speaker 6: and so he's not one of these like you know,

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Speaker 6: Antonio Gates a basketball players that can just go up

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Speaker 6: and catch things over his head, especially in the red

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Speaker 6: zone and over the middle of the field. So there's

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Speaker 6: some limitations with him in terms of his body type

647
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Speaker 6: as well. But he's not a bad player or bad

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Speaker 6: prospect by any means. But that's why he's not talked

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Speaker 6: about as like a first round guy. And he's gonna

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Speaker 6: probably go somewhere in the middle of the draft.

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Speaker 4: All right, sounds good? Tight ends next week, can't wait. Yep,

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Speaker 4: that's in New Hampshire. What's up, Zach?

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Speaker 12: Hey, guys, thanks taking my call. I was just wondering,

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Speaker 12: what are your thoughts on Caden Proctor as a Patriot?

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Speaker 12: Obviously he's probably gonna go a little too high, but

656
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Speaker 12: you know, if he fell or if they traded up

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Speaker 12: for him, what do you think he'd be as a rookie?

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Speaker 12: And you know, could he beat out Moses or be

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Speaker 12: a good insurance policy behind him and behind Vera Tucker too.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, really highly touted player, just you know

661
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Speaker 6: Alabama five star recruit, that type of guy. You know,

662
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Speaker 6: big dude, physical road grader, but you know he's raw,

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Speaker 6: especially in past protection. He's got some bad whiffs on

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Speaker 6: tape and pass protection. And you know, I don't know

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Speaker 6: where exactly he's going to go. You know, there's some

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Speaker 6: people that think he's a top twenty player in this draft.

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Speaker 6: There's some people that aren't as high on him. So

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Speaker 6: all it takes is one team to fall in love

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Speaker 6: with the measurables, the size, the power that he plays with,

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Speaker 6: and all those things should translate. So he's he's you know,

671
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 6: chiseled for the position. He's huge, he's got all the

672
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 6: requisite length and size and power and all that stuff.

673
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 6: But I think the pass protection tape is a little

674
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 6: bit wonky, and that's why he's not considered like a

675
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 6: top ten talent. He kind of like never lived up

676
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 6: to it at Alabama. Like he he came to Alabama, obviously,

677
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 6: big time program, big time tackle. He does these things

678
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 6: where like they'll like flex him out wide and throw

679
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 6: him past it, like like that's the type of athlete

680
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 6: we're talking about here. But he never he kind of

681
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 6: didn't like hit that next level. He didn't you know,

682
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 6: develop into that next level type of player that they

683
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 6: were hoping. They kind of thought he was going to be,

684
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 6: you know, the next big thing there and it kind

685
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 6: of fizzled out a little bit.

686
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Speaker 4: All right, Well, thanks Zach, thanks for the call. Chris

687
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 4: from Naugatuck, Connecticut, Right sin, he says, I just want

688
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 4: to say that Fred looked like Wimp Sanderson on Tuesday Show.

689
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 4: Does anyone remember that guy.

690
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 7: Paul, former Alabama men's basketball coach, the plaid palace? Do

691
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 7: you have a plaid something on? I don't know know

692
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 7: I had a I don't remember what you were wearing.

693
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 5: I kind of I had like a shirt, got some power?

694
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:18,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, black guy? Uh wimp? Tough name.

695
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 7: Wim Sanderson Sanders long time Alabama head coach basketball not football.

696
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 3: So okay, Mike is like, is that a sport?

697
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 5: So I look like websands?

698
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: Oh all right, that's old. But we're doing the offensive

699
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: line today as as Evan jumped in on Proctor.

700
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Speaker 6: So that's our position review. We talk about the most

701
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Speaker 6: important position.

702
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: I thought it was receiver.

703
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 3: See I don't want the title with a bunch of Jags.

704
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 5: Dustin writes, and listening to the show Tuesday and then

705
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 5: listening to Catch twenty two has me in a spiral

706
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 5: when it comes to mock drafts. But honestly, I hope

707
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Speaker 5: they get a wide receiver with pick thirty one and

708
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 5: then go for edge in the second round since the

709
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 5: draft is deep with edge talent. Also, can we please

710
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 5: get in a person one uh one on one podcast

711
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 5: of Evan and Eldridge talking wide receivers. I think it'd

712
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 5: be great entertainment.

713
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 6: We actually see Eye a lot on wide receivers most

714
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 6: of the time. He calls in and I'm like, no,

715
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 6: it was very I like you. I like that guy too,

716
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 6: Like we're good. Uh yeah, what was he saying before

717
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 6: the wide receiver thing? I I I published my rankings today,

718
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 6: so you can go check out those. But you know,

719
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 6: there's those four guys are very enticing at thirty one, Boston,

720
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 6: Concepsio and Cooper Junior. You know those guys. Uh you know,

721
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 6: I'm a Brasle guy. That be the fourth one. But

722
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 6: if they drafted one of those guys at thirty one,

723
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Speaker 6: I wouldn't be surprised.

724
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 5: Something something just crashed falling down.

725
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 10: You and Eldrid doing a show, be like busting with

726
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 10: the boys up in the truck, like in the front

727
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 10: of Eldred's brig.

728
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Speaker 6: Or maybe in the back. We could like set up

729
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 6: some film back there.

730
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, then you know we could use the horn for transitions.

731
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: You know, we'll incorporate the whole thing.

732
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 9: Like film trucking, trucking in film, something like that. Some

733
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 9: arm wrestling into will work on that over the top.

734
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Speaker 6: I don't think i'd win an arm wrestling so well.

735
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:16,959
Speaker 9: I mean, if you're driving every day and you've got

736
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 9: a contraption where you can just work it while you're

737
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 9: you know, doing those long lines.

738
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Speaker 6: So you can imagine arm wrestling one of my strong.

739
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Speaker 1: Suits, let's see.

740
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Speaker 4: Staying on the subject of Catch twenty two, Greg says

741
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 4: it's he has a Catch twenty two drinking game.

742
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, we were talking about this yesterday.

743
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 4: The game is drink every time a name gets mispronounced,

744
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 4: be drunk by the end of most episodes, and hospitalized

745
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 4: by the time you guys quit saying Caleb Farley.

746
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah that that.

747
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,239
Speaker 6: I listen. We talk about a lot of names on

748
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 6: that show, especially this time of year. We're gonna mispronounce

749
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 6: some names. We're gonna say some names poorly. It is

750
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 6: what it is like when you're rattling off two hours

751
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 6: where the draft prospects and you go through fifty guys

752
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 6: an episode. I'm not going to get everybody's name right.

753
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 6: I apologize.

754
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Speaker 1: I was working on an all night. Did that sound right?

755
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Speaker 6: No?

756
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 10: No, there's probably funnier bets that you and Alex have too,

757
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 10: that you could create a drinking game out of Yeah.

758
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 6: Yesterday somebody emailed it and said that they had created

759
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Speaker 6: a drinking game out of some of our crutches that

760
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 6: we say all the time, and I was genuinely curious.

761
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 6: I was like, email more of those in like, yeah, more,

762
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 6: but more. Do you guys hear me or something?

763
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 15: Yeah?

764
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Speaker 1: Yeah?

765
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Speaker 6: I want to know. And I don't know any of

766
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 6: you guys are How I Met your Mother fans, But

767
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 6: there's an episode off How I Met your Mother where

768
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 6: Robin is she's a TV anchor and she like has

769
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Speaker 6: like a phrase that she says all the time and

770
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Speaker 6: like they turn it into a drinking game.

771
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, you got me one.

772
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Speaker 9: I remember we were doing a couple of years ago

773
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Speaker 9: and you were calling Braden Fisk.

774
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Speaker 1: Fisky Fisky and I'm like what I thought that was

775
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: a pretty stick. That was just me then my head

776
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: and I'm like, is it Fisk? Did I am? I not?

777
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Speaker 7: I usually wait till we draft him, right and when

778
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 7: we take them then I learned good good.

779
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 9: We they're coworkers, So it's responsible of you to right

780
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 9: to yeah that out exactly.

781
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 7: You know, I want to be able to know him

782
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 7: if I bump into them that's right, which has happened

783
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 7: never in twenty seven years.

784
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Speaker 4: But Justin writes in at this point, I just live

785
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 4: to hear the next wild Do story. He's got an

786
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 4: interesting family history. He's an arsonist. Next we're going to

787
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 4: find out his secret life with the CIA and how

788
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 4: he was instrumental in finding been.

789
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Speaker 1: Like, I feel like I'm running out of him though,

790
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: you know, like I I don't know, I pull out a.

791
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 9: Gem like that, I'm like, oh, I have one that

792
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 9: I haven't told yet, but I think we all have.

793
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 9: Like my parents, my dad specifically tells a lot of

794
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 9: the same stories. So I live not to tell the

795
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 9: same stories over like I'm telling you the first time

796
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:50,919
Speaker 9: and be like, I.

797
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: Know, dudes, yeah, your dad was totally like bubble. You know,

798
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to repeat stories.

799
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 5: Sure, I'm sure you have more stuff.

800
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's got to be topical. I don't even

801
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Speaker 1: th you.

802
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 5: Know what they are.

803
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: And then you say yeah.

804
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 6: Because every day he kind of just surprises me with

805
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 6: a new story. I'm like, wait, what yep, And that's

806
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,280
Speaker 6: just him. Imagine like all the rest of his family,

807
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 6: the stories that they have.

808
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, uh.

809
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 4: Baron Poland talking about replay. We were talking about that Tuesday.

810
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 4: He said, the replay argument is one of the most

811
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 4: stupid things people still argue about in sports when it

812
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 4: should be straightforward and baseball is either a strike or

813
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 4: it isn't. Yes, every hitter has a different zone, but

814
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 4: that zone is still defined. In soccer, football, you're either

815
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 4: offside or not. Football, a player is either in bounds

816
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 4: or not. Tennis, the balls are either in or out.

817
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 4: If it's off by zero point one or so be it.

818
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 4: That's why I don't like the idea of only reviewing

819
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 4: egregious calls.

820
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Speaker 1: What does egregious even mean?

821
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 3: For me?

822
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 4: A call can be egregious, and for Paul it may

823
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 4: not be. We're turning something objective into something subjective. If

824
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 4: we draw a line, let's say, at five centimeters, what

825
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 4: happens when it's four point nine to nine centimeters off.

826
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 4: We're right back to arguing over tiny margins.

827
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 3: Anyway, I'm with.

828
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 4: Them to find what it is, and it either it

829
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 4: isn't or it is.

830
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 6: I don't think that we're like talking about drawing a

831
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 6: line between centimeters here. I think the.

832
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,240
Speaker 5: Same technology can can detect.

833
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 6: That, Okay, But the egregious.

834
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 10: For something to be egregious means it's like, not subjective,

835
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 10: it's blatantly obvious right to Me's.

836
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 6: An example of what's egregious the Saints Rams NFC championship game.

837
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 6: That is an egregiously bad missed call that cost a

838
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 6: team a trip to a super Bowl most likely. Yeah,

839
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 6: so that is a call that in today's world, with

840
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 6: a million cameras pointed at the at the field all

841
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 6: the time, we should be able to correct on the fly.

842
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 6: And it doesn't have to be this whole state of emergency.

843
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 6: You literally can just buzz down and say, hey, throw

844
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 6: a flag, you missed. You missed this call. Whether a

845
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 6: strike is half an inch off the plate or zero

846
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 6: point four of an inch is off the plate is

847
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 6: not what we're talking about. We're talking about things that

848
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 6: are blatantly just. You could be sitting and watching the

849
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 6: game at a bar and be like, that's blatant.

850
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's blatant. Yeah, but I think he's talking about those.

851
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 4: Those types of refereeing or umpire decisions that are based

852
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 4: on you know, where technology now is involved.

853
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,839
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, you know, it's just hard with blatant stuff

854
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 9: wherever you know that, all right, this is going to

855
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,240
Speaker 9: stand and now this is all anyone's going to be talking.

856
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: About, is how wrong this call was. That's that's what's hard.

857
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 4: And that's why I think I'm all for the advancement

858
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 4: because I remember and everybody remembers growing up where critical

859
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 4: calls that were obvious to everyone just changed the game.

860
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 5: Let's get rid of those.

861
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 3: I think the issue is that it I think it's

862
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 3: created more problems.

863
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 6: I think it's that slip slip.

864
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 5: Felder told me to say.

865
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Speaker 7: That, because he tells me everything to say.

866
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Speaker 6: I think it's a slippery thrope, isn't it?

867
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 3: Like?

868
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 6: And I think we're seeing that now where to Bart's email,

869
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 6: the the ball that's just a centimeter off the plate

870
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 6: is now going to review and being told So you.

871
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Speaker 5: Think it should be a strike if it's off the plate?

872
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 6: I I don't think that those are the things that

873
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 6: we all need to be bogged down by, right.

874
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 4: And I don't think and if they do it right,

875
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 4: you wouldn't be bogged down for me, Like I don't

876
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 4: know if I I would just do it like tennis,

877
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 4: like have the technology do it all the time.

878
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 7: Tennis is not subjective. The lines are there, right, A

879
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 7: baseball strike zone is subjective.

880
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 3: It's different for every bat.

881
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 4: But what I'm saying, no, it is, it's it's my

882
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 4: Your strike zone is your strike zone.

883
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 7: But the batter, each individual batter is different. So you

884
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 7: could throw a pitch here to Aaron Judge and that's

885
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 7: a strike to Caleb Durban it's not right, and that's

886
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 7: from tennis. It doesn't change the lines.

887
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 5: Don't know, but all Perillo strike zone is defined, right, right,

888
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 5: is it?

889
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 8: You're right?

890
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 3: I mean I don't like.

891
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 7: I just like I don't think it's it's the same.

892
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 7: Tennis is not the same as a baseball strike zone. No,

893
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 7: it is, in my opinion, But strike doesn't mean I'm right.

894
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 4: But Paul Perillo strike zone can be defined right, No,

895
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 4: Why can't it.

896
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 7: Be because it depends on how a guy is leaning. No,

897
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 7: it depends on how tall a guy is, shorter guy.

898
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 5: We know how tall Paul Perilla is.

899
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 7: Okay, But but it's different for every batter. At my point,

900
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 7: it doesn't. It's not different from me tennis point and.

901
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 4: Mike Dussou gets in it's his strike zone and the

902
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 4: technology can adjust to that.

903
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 3: But you are putting way more faith.

904
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 7: In the technology than I am. Maybe That's that's my

905
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 7: problem with it. I agree with everything Evan said, but

906
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 7: I don't want to say that because people don't like that.

907
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 7: Because there's a computer that tells you it's right, they're right.

908
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 7: You tell them that they're wrong, they're going to tell

909
00:39:58,960 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 7: you how wrong you are.

910
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 5: I am putting faith in the technology.

911
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 7: I admit that I don't, and I think they get

912
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 7: a lot of crap wrong.

913
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 5: And I think you keep working at it until you

914
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 5: get it right. But I think i'd rather have that

915
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 5: if I'm Paul Parillo getting up to the plate, I'd

916
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 5: rather know that it's going to be the same every

917
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 5: time I get up.

918
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 7: It took me the second game of the Red Sox

919
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 7: season for me to lose interest in the baseball season

920
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 7: with that nonsense.

921
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: See, but they're not doing it the way I want

922
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: to do it.

923
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 3: They're terrible, like the Red Sox.

924
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 7: No, like you mean it, like I don't want to

925
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 7: watch the second inning of you know, a two to

926
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 7: two pitch, you know, Like that's that's not why I

927
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 7: don't want sports.

928
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 5: I don't like the way they're doing it now either.

929
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 7: I don't watch sports so they can go to review

930
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 7: every freaking play.

931
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 3: I don't watch sports for that.

932
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 6: They I couldn't agree more. They saved baseball with the

933
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 6: pitch clock.

934
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 7: Yes, the fact that it was instead and they brought

935
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 7: it back and now they're going to end up with

936
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:55,719
Speaker 7: another work stops.

937
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 6: The fact that the page of the game picked up

938
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 6: so much brought me back to baseball. It brought us

939
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 6: back to me and just back to baseball, to watching

940
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 6: it because it didn't take four hours to get through

941
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 6: a game. Right now, we have to say, it's like

942
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 6: in football where you have to wait, is there is

943
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 6: there a flag? Is there a flag?

944
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 12: No?

945
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 6: Okay, celebrate right? And now baseball, is he challenging? Is

946
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 6: he challenging? Then he challenges, then I'll pass it takes

947
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 6: the helmet off, and then he's got to look behind him,

948
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 6: and then he's got to wait for the challenge.

949
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 1: It's it's like it takes ten seconds.

950
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 7: Ten seconds, but I don't waste not watching anything.

951
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 4: But in my way, it's there's no challenge. There's no challenge,

952
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 4: just like tennants, there's no challenging any.

953
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 6: If they could get it so that it was fast

954
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 6: enough for the game to.

955
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 5: See, it'll be instant.

956
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 3: That's fine.

957
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 7: And I don't think you're wrong because you like the

958
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 7: technology of it and you enjoy that aspect of it.

959
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 3: I hate, I don't.

960
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: I hate.

961
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 7: That's okay, Like it's okay that you like the technology

962
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 7: and that other people are thinking this is pushing the

963
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 7: games forward.

964
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 3: I don't like where it's putting the games.

965
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,720
Speaker 5: What I hate is bad umpiring behind the plate.

966
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: I hate that.

967
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 6: But there's a but there's a difference. Been bad umpire

968
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 6: like C. B. Buckner the other day advocates and the

969
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 6: ball is a blade off the plate and he called

970
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 6: it a strike. That doesn't make the guy a bad umpire, No, you.

971
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 4: Know, like I'm not saying it does. But I also

972
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 4: like a pitcher who nips the corner to be rewarded.

973
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good pitching, and you should get that.

974
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,919
Speaker 3: Call, okay, but every time.

975
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 6: But you can't in the bottom left corner and in

976
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 6: the top right corner, those both can't be strikes. If

977
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 6: it hits the plate, it is, it can't both be

978
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 6: a strike.

979
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 5: Then redefines what a strike is it?

980
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 3: But it is.

981
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,879
Speaker 6: But we've been doing this for one hundred and fifty years,

982
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 6: where that's without technology.

983
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 4: What I'm saying is you can define the strike you

984
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 4: can correct what I'm saying.

985
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 6: You can correct what like how you're you're asking the

986
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 6: batter to cover the entire plate.

987
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 4: If so, if that's impossible, then redefine the strike zone.

988
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 6: They don't have to because umpires have just been calling

989
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 6: the strike zone the same way the whole time, and

990
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 6: so like, I think the difference is.

991
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 5: But you're saying what you just said is not accurate,

992
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 5: and I'll say differently, right, but they have like some

993
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 5: umpires have lower strikes sounds, sometimes have higher strikes sounds.

994
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 6: As long as they're consistent with the call, then nobody.

995
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 4: Gets mad and they try, right are they pretty much?

996
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 3: It's human.

997
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 7: They do a pretty good job at balls and strikes

998
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 7: in Major League Baseball. I am an ump and ref

999
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 7: basher to the extreme. IB partner is incompetent. He doesn't

1000
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 7: belong out there. One of the best things to happen

1001
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 7: in baseball yesterday was him getting.

1002
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 3: Nailed with a follow ball and knocked out again. He's okay.

1003
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: Has anyone had a worse month than him?

1004
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 3: I mean, really, it's a worst career.

1005
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 7: There's no there's no line of work that someone is incompetent,

1006
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 7: as that would not have gotten fired.

1007
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: Other than that, it's unbelievable.

1008
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 7: But I will say this to your on your on

1009
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 7: your side, that I think might happen to you. I

1010
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 7: think that you'll see say like five years, ten years,

1011
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 7: as the umpires go through and they like.

1012
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 3: You just this is the way you do. It's like

1013
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 3: Alex with social media.

1014
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 7: This is just what she grew up with, so it's

1015
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 7: second nature to her, as opposed to.

1016
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 3: Me having to like sort of learn it.

1017
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 7: These umpires will go through the minor leagues with the

1018
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 7: ABS system and it'll be no big thing for them,

1019
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 7: and by the time ten years goes by, there won't

1020
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 7: be as much problem trying to differentiate Mary.

1021
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1022
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, we like to Evans's point, some guy now who's

1023
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 7: been doing it for fifteen twenty years who might have

1024
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 7: a low strike zone, that won't be a thing in

1025
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 7: ten years. You won't have a low strike zone or

1026
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 7: a high strike zone. You'll learn what the computer calls

1027
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 7: a strike and you'll adjust accordingly.

1028
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 9: And when I say just let the computer call it, well,

1029
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 9: I mean, Paul, are you saying that you think the

1030
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 9: umps will then improve because they'll know how to work

1031
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 9: in conjunction with that, and you'll.

1032
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 7: Use the word improved. Fred would use the word improve.

1033
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 7: I would say, they'll just get used to it. I

1034
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 7: don't think that would be for the better of the game, because,

1035
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 7: as I said on Tuesday day, and again people don't

1036
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 7: agree with me, the high outside pitch and the low

1037
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 7: inside pitch can't both be strikes to the same guy.

1038
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 7: Otherwise we're just going to have dominant pitching and no

1039
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 7: one's ever going to get a hit because that's a

1040
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 7: that's way too much plate to cover.

1041
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 9: So is that the baseball thing is that that's a

1042
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 9: that's a baseball specific that you can't what a strike

1043
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 9: zone is.

1044
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: You're not going to get those calls.

1045
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 9: Well, I don't understand why you're saying you can't call

1046
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 9: those because I don't think it's.

1047
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 3: Not over the plate in my opinion.

1048
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 5: Okay, so then make it that way.

1049
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 3: But now it's going to be over the plate. The

1050
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 3: computer is am but.

1051
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:37,959
Speaker 5: You control what the computer says.

1052
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 6: If a pitcher is getting the low corner strike right,

1053
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 6: and so then the batter has to adjust and know, okay,

1054
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 6: that's the umpire is calling that a strike. If you

1055
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 6: then give them the top of the zone is also

1056
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 6: there's the plate coverage of the what the batter has

1057
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 6: to cover, it's going to make it extremely difficult.

1058
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 4: But what you're saying is it's not the computer that's flawed.

1059
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 4: It's the strike zone that's so change. The strike zone.

1060
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 9: Is you guys seem to know a lot about this

1061
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 9: and I know nothing about it. And I just like

1062
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 9: the strike but like I don't understand what like look

1063
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 9: at Twitter.

1064
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: But sometimes and I and I get this.

1065
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 4: According to Paul, the strike zone is too big, so

1066
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 4: there's too much area to cover for.

1067
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: Any human being. No, no, no, no, I'm saying I

1068
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: used That's what I'm hearing.

1069
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 3: I used an extreme example.

1070
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 7: I don't say first of all, this system is kind

1071
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 7: of designed to help offense because and here's something that

1072
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 7: is I don't know.

1073
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 3: We should we continue this?

1074
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 5: Okay, No, sure, I don't know.

1075
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 3: People could tell us stuff.

1076
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 7: I think one of the things that people are sort

1077
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 7: of concerned about red Sox wise will bring it to Boston.

1078
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:49,959
Speaker 5: Or they need just a swing of freaking bad.

1079
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 7: They brought into two starting pitchers that are supposed to

1080
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 7: be a big part of their rotation in Sunny Gray

1081
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 7: and Ranger Suarez, neither one of which is necessarily considered

1082
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,280
Speaker 7: a power pitcher. They're guys that rely on painting the corners,

1083
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 7: and it's harder to paint the corners now because if

1084
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 7: you miss the corner by as Fred says, if you're

1085
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 7: painting that corner, but you know, maybe like the brushstroke

1086
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 7: didn't actually hit the the furthest edge, that's a ball now.

1087
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 3: That's a ball now.

1088
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 7: So that forces guys that don't have the power stuff

1089
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 7: to come over the plate. So the ABS system in

1090
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 7: the minors has increased offense, and they think it will

1091
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 7: help offense in the major leagues. I don't like it

1092
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 7: because I think it's all artificial. I don't like the

1093
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:38,439
Speaker 7: artificial influence on the game.

1094
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 3: But that's just me.

1095
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 7: It doesn't mean that I again I said this Tuesday.

1096
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 7: It doesn't mean that I'm right, just because I don't

1097
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 7: like the over officiousness of the ABS system. But I

1098
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 7: do think it's probably gonna end up helping I mean

1099
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 7: that sounds hypocritical to what I said about the I

1100
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 7: used an example like extreme with the high and low

1101
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 7: inside and outside. But overall, I think it's going to

1102
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 7: be harder for pitchers who want to see if they

1103
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 7: can expand the stripe zone when they're up in the

1104
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 7: count to get strike three because it's not going to

1105
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 7: get called.

1106
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 4: If it's off, it shouldn't be. But I think it

1107
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 4: would also help them.

1108
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 7: It'll just never saw any place where you're only allowed

1109
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Speaker 7: to be one hundred percent right, like if you if

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Speaker 7: you miss one, like you should be excommunicated. Like it's like,

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Speaker 7: should they replace the picture with it with a robot.

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Speaker 6: I've seen.

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Speaker 4: I've seen just as many times where the picture does

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Speaker 4: nip that corner and they call.

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Speaker 5: It a ball.

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Speaker 3: That's part of the game. That's what I'm saying. That's

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Speaker 3: the beauty of it.

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Speaker 5: No, no, umpire being wrong is not the beauty of it.

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Speaker 3: But you say he's wrong, it doesn't mean he is.

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Speaker 6: I also just think that like this is we're splitting

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Speaker 6: hairs here to like this is at any point this

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Speaker 6: is what made you not like baseball. I don't say that, okay,

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Speaker 6: so then why then what are we talking about?

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Speaker 7: I get frustrated he's been up at night wanted to

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00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 7: ball like she's that pitch was right on the corner.

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Speaker 3: I've always said that I never to blame everybody everything.

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Speaker 4: I've always said this about balls and strikes. I hate

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Speaker 4: it when they get it wrong.

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Speaker 6: I have never once, and look I'm not I don't

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Speaker 6: want I watched the Red Sox. I don't watch other baseball.

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Speaker 6: I'm not a baseball purist like that, but I have

1132
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Speaker 6: never watched sat down and watched the Red Sox game

1133
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Speaker 6: and just like been turned it off because of like

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Speaker 6: it was so egregiously bad. The strike zone was so

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Speaker 6: bad that I just couldn't take it. Like maybe like

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00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 6: once or twice a season, like the C. B. Buckner

1137
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 6: thing would happen, but like that, that's very rare. Like

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Speaker 6: when we were watching the World Baseball Classic and the

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00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 6: Dominican the tournament ends for the Dominican on a play

1140
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Speaker 6: a ball that's six inches off the plate that needs that, Yeah,

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00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 6: that is ridiculous, but half an inch.

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Speaker 4: Like listen for me, if it happens one time where

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00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 4: my pitcher throws a strike and it's called a ball

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00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 4: ball four, that's enough for me.

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Speaker 5: I want that correct.

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00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 4: I want my picture rewarded, and I also want my

1147
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 4: batters protected against bad calls.

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Speaker 1: I want.

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00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 5: But to me, it helps both sides. It helps the

1150
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Speaker 5: picture and the batters.

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Speaker 6: I'm just not sure if it solved the problem. I

1152
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 6: don't I don't know if it was a big enough

1153
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 6: problem that needed solving to add such a this has

1154
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 6: changed the game completely.

1155
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Speaker 4: And I go back to tennis, and I know it's

1156
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 4: not the same thing. Tennis is a little bit more

1157
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 4: cut and dry. But you know, when they instituted the hawkey,

1158
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 4: at first you could challenge, so it wasn't you know,

1159
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 4: you had to do the challenge. And now it's everything.

1160
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 4: And I think it's improved watching tennis so much. You know,

1161
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 4: like you don't have to worry about this idiot lines

1162
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 4: person who just gets it wrong and there's there's nothing

1163
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 4: you can do as a player until they brought in

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Speaker 4: this technology.

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00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just I mean even listening to the broadcasts,

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Speaker 6: you know, for the first week of the season, is

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Speaker 6: he going to challenge? Is he not going to challenge?

1168
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 6: Is you know, should he challenge?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 6: Strategy?

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00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 5: It's everything right now.

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Speaker 6: I mean, they give a time, Can we just play

1173
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 6: the game?

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00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 4: Oh you Curmudgeons, new technology.

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00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 3: I agree with you on tennis. Yeah, yeah, but it's

1176
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 3: it's finite.

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00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 7: It's right there. It's like it's either in or out.

1178
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 7: But there's no line when the guy is up at bat.

1179
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 7: But that's what a line to go.

1180
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 4: But I believe that Paul parillo strike zone will be

1181
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 4: Paul Parole's strike zone and it is just as cut

1182
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 4: and dry as what Tennis will is.

1183
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 3: Now, I don't think that, but that's okay.

1184
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 6: It's interesting to be on the same side as Paul.

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00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 10: So does every up have with every batter in a

1186
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 10: game that they're calling, they know every batter in the order,

1187
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 10: like how to adjust their strike zones?

1188
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 3: They just in their head, Well they're trying. No, they're

1189
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 3: trying to figure that out.

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00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 5: No, no, no, she's saying. Before the technology.

1191
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 3: Right, oh yeah, you just look.

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00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean so to Fred's point, you could put

1193
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 10: that into a system they have.

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00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 6: That's what this is.

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00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,760
Speaker 2: That's what this is, right, So what's I don't understand.

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00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 2: I don't know.

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00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 3: I just think I just don't think it's the way

1198
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 3: the game is supposed to we played. I think that

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00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 3: you're supposed to hit the ball.

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Speaker 7: With Tennis in the line like that, like in you know,

1201
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 7: either on the line or inside like That's there's no

1202
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 7: subjectivity to that.

1203
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 3: That's cut and dry. That's why the only.

1204
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 5: Reason is subjectivity to balls and strikes is because the

1205
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 5: human eye can't do it.

1206
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I know it's good.

1207
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 5: I love the conversation.

1208
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 6: It just comes back to me. I just didn't think

1209
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 6: it fixed the problem. That was that big of a problem.

1210
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 10: To give it a month, because I feel like I

1211
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 10: agree with both of you and I just don't know, and.

1212
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,439
Speaker 6: I don't I just don't think that as a baseball fan,

1213
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 6: I don't think I was like losing sleep over this

1214
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 6: type of stuff.

1215
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 10: I do, I do when it happens, but like what

1216
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 10: happens when a pitcher is throwing a perfect game? And like,

1217
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 10: didn't that happen? I really agregious call? Lost the picture

1218
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 10: a perfect game? Who's the like bravado?

1219
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 3: Jim Joyce? Sure he wasn't. He cried over that, right.

1220
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 10: And it was like a huge regret in his life.

1221
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 10: And imagine how the picture feels. Like if you can

1222
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,360
Speaker 10: see a situation like that, I think it's worth it.

1223
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 3: I'd be all for it. Again. We're back to that phrase.

1224
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 3: We're going to overturn.

1225
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 7: Egregious calls like that, like not a stitch of the

1226
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 7: baseball may have touched the black of the plate or not,

1227
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 7: depending on what it was called. It might have been

1228
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 7: called a ball might have been called a strike. No,

1229
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 7: Like I don't think that's what we're we're doing. But

1230
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 7: I like the conversation with Fred because you will go

1231
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 7: back and forth. You have you have a belief in

1232
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 7: the technology and you feel strongly about it. You get

1233
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 7: involved with some of this stuff with other people, and

1234
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 7: it's just like, no, you have you have no idea

1235
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 7: what you're talking about. You don't know this, you don't know,

1236
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 7: like and it's just that's not I mean, I argue

1237
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 7: anybody with with anybody for anything, right, Like, it's just

1238
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 7: not I don't like, that's not fun to argue for me,

1239
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 7: Like if you can't go back and forth and Fred's

1240
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 7: making points to counteract the points that I'm trying to make,

1241
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 7: you know, is like I agree with.

1242
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 3: Both of you, Like that's that's fun debate like to go.

1243
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 7: Like for Evan and I, it's more of like what

1244
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 7: we It's not so much that we're arguing with Fred

1245
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 7: about the technology itself.

1246
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 3: We're I doing.

1247
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 7: We don't need like that doesn't enhance our viewing of

1248
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 7: the game, You know what I mean?

1249
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 6: When it enhanced my viewing of the game was the

1250
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 6: game getting faster. So anything that inhibits speed, I am

1251
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 6: against get in the box and throw the pitch like

1252
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 6: I don't. I don't want anything else disrupting that because

1253
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 6: it I'm not going to sit there for four hours

1254
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 6: and watch a baseball game.

1255
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Speaker 12: I'm not.

1256
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 5: It was too long, and it was dragging out, and

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Speaker 5: it was it was a great.

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Speaker 4: Advancement, you know, perfect. I don't like the ghost runner

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Speaker 4: in extra innings.

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Speaker 6: Another thing, why we don't need to be there all

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Speaker 3: I don't like that, Like, get this over with, I

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Speaker 3: know it. Just I love three on three overtime in

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Speaker 3: the NHL.

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Speaker 6: Three on three shootout and everybody go home, all right.

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00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 6: I think they need to do that something like that.

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Speaker 17: to the locker room, cafeteria. You know, just the meeting

1325
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Speaker 17: space that we have is going to be really nice.

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Speaker 5: Mike.

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Speaker 18: I know it's better than to ask you about the

1328
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 18: potential for replacement officials. However, the New York Command Center,

1329
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Speaker 18: the officiating center in your time, paying very close attention

1330
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Speaker 18: to how they adjudicate calls.

1331
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 19: How do you view what's that?

1332
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Speaker 8: Google?

1333
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 19: How do you feel the officiating center does?

1334
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 17: And have you wanted to say they do as good

1335
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 17: a job as they possibly can and the time that

1336
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 17: they have a lot.

1337
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Speaker 8: Of to them.

1338
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 17: There are some calls that are very difficult, and I

1339
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 17: think the big one is the quarterback.

1340
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Speaker 8: Whether it's the tuck or the fumble or the pass, it's.

1341
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Speaker 17: All right, stretching out just been whatever to call in

1342
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 17: the field is We're going to let that one.

1343
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 8: Stand because that's probably not getting overturned.

1344
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:03,520
Speaker 17: So I think that they try to use a standard

1345
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 17: of clear and obvious and the biggest thing is that

1346
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 17: we understand what they believe to be clear and obvious.

1347
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 14: Like your experience last year, Hey, buddy, everything guys that

1348
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:18,880
Speaker 14: you knew and figuring out guys that you didn't know.

1349
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Speaker 19: How'd you kind of navigate between them?

1350
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 8: How is there a risk to bringing in a guy

1351
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 8: that you don't know? I think that there's.

1352
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 17: You just have to be very careful. I mean in

1353
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 17: free agency. I think that you're referring to. It happens

1354
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 17: so quick and if you you know, you're looking at

1355
00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 17: the player on film, you can watch as many games

1356
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 17: you want to watch, but you really don't have an

1357
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 17: opportunity to know who that person is.

1358
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 8: Unlike the draft, where you have so many.

1359
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 17: Touch points from our scouts, from our coaches, from pro days,

1360
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 17: from visits and combine.

1361
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Speaker 8: So you just have to be very careful with the type.

1362
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Speaker 17: But people that you're bringing in in free agency, speaking

1363
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Speaker 17: of that.

1364
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Speaker 19: Have been bothered to your team on enough just.

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Speaker 17: To professionalism a comfort, you know, I would say that

1366
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Speaker 17: the consistency in which he operates and functions has been

1367
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Speaker 17: very impressive over the time that I've known Kevin.

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Speaker 8: He cut me off.

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Speaker 10: I didn't realize you are, he said, that he thinks

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Speaker 10: that you're a little bit more tame now compared to

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Speaker 10: when you first.

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Speaker 8: Started at We have to see what he gets here.

1373
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Speaker 8: I have a relationship though evolve over.

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Speaker 17: I mean he started out I was first time head coach,

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Speaker 17: and then I had to, you know, be able to

1376
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Speaker 17: implement a program that I felt like was best for

1377
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Speaker 17: for our team and what they needed in Tennessee.

1378
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Speaker 8: You know, I guess I'm as tame as I need

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Speaker 8: to be.

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Speaker 18: Mike, speaking of fire upon this, players that you've had

1381
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Speaker 18: in the past, how do you guard against having like

1382
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Speaker 18: a blind spot those guys?

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Speaker 1: Do you like?

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Speaker 17: We always want to bring in talented players, you know,

1385
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 17: whether we knowing them is important, but also talent is

1386
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 17: important too, So again we'll try to manage what we

1387
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 17: feel like are the people that we.

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Speaker 8: Bring in and that we know and compared to their

1389
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Speaker 8: talent level.

1390
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Speaker 3: That's your players concerns. I'm an NFL report card, especially

1391
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Speaker 3: with a team playing.

1392
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Speaker 8: Don't want to focus on the report card.

1393
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,920
Speaker 17: I want to focus on what our players say to

1394
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 17: me and the stretch and anybody in an organization, we

1395
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 17: constantly are are asking them. You know, we have a

1396
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 17: leadership group that we believe in and that we trust.

1397
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 17: We won't be able to make every recommendation, we won't

1398
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 17: be able to do every single thing that they want

1399
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 17: to do, but we listen to them and we try

1400
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 17: to add things in the training room, try to add equipment.

1401
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 8: I know for a fact, on.

1402
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 17: Numerous occasions players have asked about different modalities in the

1403
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 17: training room. I've gone to Jim, asked him to order

1404
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 17: it going to stretch, you know, Jonathan and Robert have

1405
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 17: gladly okateed it. Something came across my desk the other day. Hey,

1406
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 17: we added this last year. It works out so good,

1407
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 17: we want to add another one. So we're constantly trying

1408
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 17: to get feedback from the players on things that we

1409
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 17: can do to to.

1410
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 8: Help them do their job.

1411
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 3: Interesting you, you guys have an opportunity to pick up

1412
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 3: his stick, the option.

1413
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 17: If we haven't picked it up, we should pick it up.

1414
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Speaker 3: Extend him.

1415
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 8: He's going into the year making We want a million.

1416
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 17: We want to make sure that we draft extremely well,

1417
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 17: and then we identify the guys that we want to

1418
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:01,040
Speaker 17: keep with us UH and that have earned and UH

1419
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 17: long term extensions with us. And Christian Gonzo is certainly

1420
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 17: one of those players and you know, but I can't

1421
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 17: comment on the negotiations to you.

1422
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 20: I think you mentioned maybe challenging your staff to come

1423
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 20: back with new ideas. I'm actually curious from from your perspective, like, well,

1424
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 20: who do you turn to, whether it's read a book,

1425
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 20: you know, mentors to come up with your own, like

1426
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 20: new ideas for how to keep things stretch.

1427
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 17: I think that, uh, you know our staff and you

1428
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 17: know stretch. You know obviously you know different coaches around

1429
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 17: our league or other leagues. You know, you know, Joe

1430
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 17: does such a great job with with the Celtics, you know,

1431
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 17: just to start that they've been able to have without

1432
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 17: without Jason has been really really impressive. So a lot

1433
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 17: of communications with him and other coaches you know around

1434
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,360
Speaker 17: the league, and you know, a lot of thought.

1435
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 8: I think, try to bounce ideas off of.

1436
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 17: Really just come up with something, think about it, you know,

1437
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 17: give it some time, how do you enhance it, how

1438
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 17: do you marry it. There's a lot of time in

1439
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 17: the offseason, so but try to be intentional and just

1440
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 17: never want to be a gimmicky with what we do

1441
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 17: with the players.

1442
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 16: What's the player development where it comes to a guy

1443
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 16: who's got versatility trying not to give them too much.

1444
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 17: Is that they can do well, you're talking about a

1445
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 17: young player, buck or you Yeah, just banking sure that

1446
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 17: they don't get overloaded and that they can get proficient

1447
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 17: at something. And then I'd say the better they do,

1448
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 17: the more we would try to give them. You know,

1449
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 17: whether that is an offensive lineman that may play two

1450
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 17: positions or a receiver that may play multiple positions. But

1451
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 17: you know, certainly we try to figure out what the

1452
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 17: player does best, do that and then see what else

1453
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:02,920
Speaker 17: they can do tod and enhance.

1454
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 8: That Isn't that pretty easy? That a fly when they

1455
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 8: start to swim a little bit, I think so. I

1456
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 8: think when you start to see him slow down, you

1457
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 8: know what a player?

1458
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 17: You know, one coach which I thought was was really insightful.

1459
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 17: It was like, sometimes you can't tell the difference between

1460
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 17: a player that doesn't know what to do or one

1461
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:24,200
Speaker 17: that's afraid to do it.

1462
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 8: They're both pretty slow, uh and not very.

1463
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 17: Reactive, and so we have to try to measure what

1464
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 17: that looks like on the field and then maybe pull

1465
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:35,800
Speaker 17: back on some stuff.

1466
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 8: The team released Josh last week.

1467
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 17: Quarterbacks at some point, yeah, we need we need a

1468
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 17: third arm. And you know, try to find a young

1469
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 17: guy that you know, we can develop and uh, you know,

1470
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 17: potentially add to the to the roster, whether that's on

1471
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 17: the fifty three man roster or the practice squad.

1472
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 8: Does that an anyways?

1473
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: Speak to Drake slog the maturity.

1474
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 19: And development that you can take on a younger guy.

1475
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 8: I think that's probably pretty accurate. You know.

1476
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 17: I think that I really appreciative of what Josh did

1477
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 17: for us coming in last year, with Drake going into

1478
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 17: his second year, and I've communicated that with Josh and said,

1479
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,120
Speaker 17: I think it's just a different situation now, So that's

1480
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 17: probably pretty accurate. Get them, Stacy, Well, I love him.

1481
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 8: Give you a nine of them, Bring as many tight

1482
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 8: ends as we can get. It's not gonna be something

1483
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 8: you look at in April.

1484
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:36,920
Speaker 17: I hope, yeah, I hope there's a good uh again,

1485
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 17: I think just trying to find, uh, you know.

1486
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:41,479
Speaker 8: The the right guy.

1487
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 17: There's different you know, some of them are receiving, some

1488
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 17: of them are more the line of scrimmage, some.

1489
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 8: Of them a little bit of both, you know.

1490
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 17: So I think we'll just try to come up with

1491
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:51,760
Speaker 17: the one that fits us best and see where we

1492
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 17: can draft him.

1493
01:06:54,200 --> 01:07:00,040
Speaker 8: Earlier, I think somebody else. What do you got your call.

1494
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 2: With a thirty first pick?

1495
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 8: Do you feel that that needs to shine?

1496
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 17: Rogers getell with the thirty first pick in this year's draft?

1497
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 3: Do you should that be an immediate impact player?

1498
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 8: Are you comfortable taking plays player available? Hopefully maybe we

1499
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 8: trade up, maybe we trade out. I don't know, but.

1500
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Speaker 17: Uh, you know, I love being able to work with

1501
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:31,520
Speaker 17: with Elliott and Ryan. Elliott and Ryan their staff coaching

1502
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 17: and trying to bring that together. I'm trying to bring

1503
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 17: a coach's perspective on a player and and the personnel's

1504
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 17: side together to bring the best person in there for

1505
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 17: our football team.

1506
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 8: Thank you, guys.

1507
01:07:44,600 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 3: And now great moments in history.

1508
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 6: And Brandon Spikes's work bikes, he's at Florida. He's working

1509
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 6: back at the Alma Mada and uh and he's you know,

1510
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 6: he's helping out Florida's program, trying to get them back,

1511
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:04,120
Speaker 6: you know, to where they were when he was there

1512
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 6: and things like that.

1513
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 1: And so is he still on the internet. I asked

1514
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 1: Evan about that yesterday.

1515
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:12,880
Speaker 7: I'm sure you know I'm going to plead the fifth

1516
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 7: You want his only fans account?

1517
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 1: You get a license for that thing.

1518
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a great That was a great moment

1519
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:21,640
Speaker 3: in PFW.

1520
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 1: And oh yeah, oh, you guys discovered the.

1521
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:28,640
Speaker 7: Does a Google search of Brandon Spike is junk and

1522
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 7: Frank goes, I have seen it.

1523
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:32,200
Speaker 6: I have seen it, and then I said it in

1524
01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 6: the elevator yesterday, and then.

1525
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 5: Paul starts grilling you have you seen Miko?

1526
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 8: Yes?

1527
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 5: Have you seen Sosa?

1528
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1529
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 3: I do not just go. I don't get that. I

1530
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:44,679
Speaker 3: have no desires search.

1531
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 17: That's another great moment from.

1532
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 5: All right back here. Patriots have filmed today five five

1533
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1534
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go a little off script today for Brunt.

1535
01:08:58,240 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 8: Oh.

1536
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 4: You know, we all know you can get ten dollars

1537
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 4: back if you go to brontworkwear dot com slash pats

1538
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 4: or use the coupon code p A T S.

1539
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 5: But I just want to tell everyone that spring is coming.

1540
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 5: This isn't written.

1541
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 4: This is off the top of off the cuff, and

1542
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 4: you're gonna need work stuff.

1543
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 1: You're out there working.

1544
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 5: It's a spring, it gets muddy and everything like that.

1545
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:21,560
Speaker 4: You don't want to be wearing your your Nike sneakers,

1546
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 4: you know, you're gonna want to wear work stuff, wear clothes,

1547
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:30,599
Speaker 4: work shirts, works, work pants, work boots. So brunt, get

1548
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 4: your spring work stuff now at brunt dot com.

1549
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 1: Is that what it is? Frontworkwear dot com? What you're

1550
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:42,719
Speaker 1: in the ring? Wait?

1551
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 5: No, no, sway these boots. I have another pair of brunts.

1552
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, I have.

1553
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:52,800
Speaker 2: I have a pet protecting sprays you can put on.

1554
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 1: Shoes I wear to work.

1555
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 4: But I have my brunts that I work out and

1556
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 4: I've been splitting wood by the way, so.

1557
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:02,400
Speaker 3: Cutting down I've been.

1558
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 4: I've been wearing my brunts too. But you know, think

1559
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 4: about that. You've got stuff that you're going to be

1560
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:10,639
Speaker 4: having to do. We had a lot of rain, especially

1561
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 4: New England.

1562
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,600
Speaker 5: It's gonna be muddy. You know when this ground for

1563
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,679
Speaker 5: you know, truly thaws, it's going to be a mess.

1564
01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 1: So get your brunts.

1565
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, so myke the brount work, where is it? Uh?

1566
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:26,480
Speaker 3: Flame resistant?

1567
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1568
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 9: What's important for you that.

1569
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 5: I don't know if they make flame retard.

1570
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 2: Well, there's our tradesman too. Well there's our tradesmen too.

1571
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 2: They would need their stuff.

1572
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 4: You would think I think they have specialty stuff right

1573
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 4: that they wear. No yesterday, Paul, myself and Mike do

1574
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 4: So took part in the Hall of Fame committee, and uh,

1575
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 4: you know, we're not allowed to talk about the conversations

1576
01:10:57,880 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 4: in the room, but here's what I'll tell you.

1577
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 3: I don't know'sation.

1578
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1579
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 4: We don't know officially who is going to be the

1580
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 4: three nominees that get presented for you, the fans, to

1581
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 4: vote on.

1582
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:12,360
Speaker 1: But we can guess that Rob Gronkowski is.

1583
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:13,640
Speaker 4: Going to be one of them in his first year

1584
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:16,799
Speaker 4: of eligibility, and I and it should be Adam Vanieri

1585
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 4: being another one.

1586
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:20,640
Speaker 3: He'll be another one. Those two I think are definitely.

1587
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 4: And didn't make it because he lost out to Julian Edelman,

1588
01:11:25,479 --> 01:11:27,679
Speaker 4: and he'll probably be on the ballot this year against

1589
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 4: Rob Gronkowski. I am asking you, as fans when it

1590
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 4: comes time to vote in a week or so whenever

1591
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 4: they release it, to vote for Adam Viniti. Gronk is

1592
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,679
Speaker 4: going to get in, not this year if you vote

1593
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 4: for Vinitaria, but probably next year. Vinitary is already in

1594
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 4: the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Should have went in

1595
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 4: last year. Let's get him in this year. Let's get

1596
01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 4: him off the table. So it doesn't become one of

1597
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 4: those situations where every year he's going against somebody who

1598
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 4: is more recent in our memory and you know, has

1599
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 4: recency biased on their favorite.

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01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 5: Let's get Adam in this year. Let's get it over with.

1601
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 5: Let's vote him in.

1602
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 4: He's a Hall of Famer, the greatest kicker in the league,

1603
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 4: like just like you could say Gronk is the greatest

1604
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:17,040
Speaker 4: tight end the league. Vinitary is the greatest kicker in

1605
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 4: the league. Certainly the greatest kicker ever to wear a

1606
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:23,600
Speaker 4: Patriots uniform. You know, without him, you don't win that

1607
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 4: Snowball and you don't win your first super Bowl, and

1608
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 4: that's what started everything.

1609
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 1: So let's get him in this year.

1610
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 4: People, I'm asking you spread the word vote for Adam

1611
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 4: vanity that Paul.

1612
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 1: Do you want to make a case for anyone.

1613
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:42,720
Speaker 7: I'm going to be good here because I don't want

1614
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:44,200
Speaker 7: to get myself in political trouble.

1615
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:46,840
Speaker 3: But that's tough.

1616
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 7: What forget about what you think and forget about who

1617
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:51,679
Speaker 7: you think is the most deserving.

1618
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 3: Vote Adam I am.

1619
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 4: I'm asking you because he is. Of course Gronk is deserving,

1620
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 4: and I think the majority of fans if you've you know,

1621
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 4: had your Q factor rating.

1622
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 1: You know what that is. The young people know what

1623
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:05,600
Speaker 1: that is.

1624
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 3: How About we just eliminate that one.

1625
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 7: How about we say, this is arguably the greatest tight

1626
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:13,639
Speaker 7: end in the history of football against the greatest kicker

1627
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 7: in the history of football.

1628
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:15,879
Speaker 3: Who do you think is more deserving?

1629
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I think Gronk is so Like.

1630
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 7: In other words, this isn't the travesty that in my word,

1631
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:25,840
Speaker 7: not anybody else's that last year was. This is not

1632
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:27,880
Speaker 7: going to be laughable, It's not going to be embarrassing.

1633
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:31,320
Speaker 7: It's the fans vote Rob Gronkowski over Adam Benette.

1634
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 1: And I know that they will.

1635
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:36,680
Speaker 4: That's why I'm asking you to right, I'm asking you for.

1636
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 5: One year and to hold off.

1637
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 4: I know that the majority of fans, when they see

1638
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:44,519
Speaker 4: a ballot that has Vinetarian Gronkowski, They're going to vote

1639
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 4: for Gronkowski. I'm I'm you know, giving you that point.

1640
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 4: I'm just asking you not to do it for one year,

1641
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:53,920
Speaker 4: just so we can get Adam in.

1642
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 6: I'm more interested in two things. One, I want to

1643
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:02,680
Speaker 6: hear about Deuce's experience because I used the comparison yesterday

1644
01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:05,240
Speaker 6: of like this is like Joe Pesci and goodfellows when

1645
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:07,639
Speaker 6: he everybody finds out he's going to get made. That

1646
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 6: That's how me and Barthelt, knowing that one of ours.

1647
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 5: And Mike.

1648
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 6: Get into the you know, with the cigars and the

1649
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 6: closed room and you know all that. The other thing

1650
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:21,720
Speaker 6: that I find interesting is something that Paul told me

1651
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 6: about was Dante high Tower and his name getting brought

1652
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 6: up for nomination.

1653
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:29,599
Speaker 3: It was one of the eight players nominated.

1654
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 6: We all agree that Gronk and Vinitary should be on

1655
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 6: the ballot. For me, personally, I think that Dante high

1656
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 6: Tower should be the third verson nominated on the ballot,

1657
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 6: But I think Paul disagreed with me, and I'm curious

1658
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 6: about everybody's opinion. I disagree, great, Why do you disagree?

1659
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:48,360
Speaker 8: Great?

1660
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 1: Well, it was I mean, I was just first.

1661
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 9: I just think Phil Paro did a great job of

1662
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 9: bringing high Tower up. Knew he probably wasn't going to be,

1663
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,880
Speaker 9: you know, a finalist this year, but you know, pointing

1664
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 9: out all his clutch plays in the Super Bulls that

1665
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:02,599
Speaker 9: you know, we all know not an NFL Hall of Fame,

1666
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 9: Pro Football Hall of Fame guy. But I thought, I

1667
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:07,240
Speaker 9: mean Paul pointed out he thought it was my first time.

1668
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:09,600
Speaker 1: You thought, you know, supposed to talk about his conversation,

1669
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:11,599
Speaker 1: but it's okay if you talk.

1670
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:13,800
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm giving a permission he can.

1671
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1672
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 9: But uh but no, it was it was obviously really

1673
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 9: cool to be there. I mean an honor to be

1674
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 9: amongst all those people who clearly have such a such

1675
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:25,839
Speaker 9: a sense of Patriots history. And you know, I found myself.

1676
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 9: I kind of thought through what I thought before, and

1677
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 9: then guys made compelling cases, you know, and and you know,

1678
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 9: mostly Tatuba is an example, was brought up and a

1679
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 9: lot of people talking about him, and it's hard for

1680
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:39,760
Speaker 9: me is I have like a connection with him, you know,

1681
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:42,679
Speaker 9: my it was like the first player, first football player.

1682
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:45,719
Speaker 1: I remember my cousin dated his son like you know, and.

1683
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 2: I so here we go after.

1684
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 9: My god Sofa, I mean, I met Lofafa has been

1685
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 9: in my house for like Easter, I think before, you know,

1686
01:15:58,120 --> 01:15:59,559
Speaker 9: so just personal connection to the guy.

1687
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:04,759
Speaker 1: But the forest go in. But when I boiled it down.

1688
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 9: Really and and you know, to Evan's point talking about

1689
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:08,640
Speaker 9: high Tower, really it came down for me for the

1690
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 9: last spot between Logan Mankins and Wes Welker. You know,

1691
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 9: I had ven Terry and and uh and and Gronka course,

1692
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 9: and those are the last two guys that I was

1693
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 9: kind of kicking around. But I think you boil down

1694
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 9: these considerations into there are certain guys that had a

1695
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 9: longevity about them that maybe wasn't h you know a

1696
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 9: lot of statistical achievement, but was contributions in various ways

1697
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:33,040
Speaker 9: and different games, and you know, over a period of time,

1698
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 9: really carving out which is what Mosey did, carved out

1699
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 9: a role as a patriot for life and a special teamer.

1700
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 9: And you know, but there are also people that weren't

1701
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 9: here very long. I mean, Wes Welker, I think you know,

1702
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 9: Paul did a great job laying out with him of

1703
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 9: six seasons total, that six years that he was with

1704
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 9: New England.

1705
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:54,600
Speaker 1: But had prolific production. So that's you know, kind of

1706
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 1: where you.

1707
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:00,360
Speaker 9: Know, I guess when you said it, it just sounded short

1708
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 9: to me. I mean, I just and that's probably a testament.

1709
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 9: Did you know how much production he had just over

1710
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 9: those short period of times. So you know, High Tower

1711
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:11,559
Speaker 9: another guy who was here for I mean I wouldn't

1712
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:12,559
Speaker 9: say even a long time.

1713
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 1: But had done enough to you know, really earn the nominee.

1714
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:18,759
Speaker 5: Paul just got another tankard of diets.

1715
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:26,240
Speaker 6: They had to give Paul a shot in the arm.

1716
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 1: You need a Snickers, buddy, Paul's a little low. Can

1717
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 1: we get some diapepsi in right now?

1718
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:36,799
Speaker 6: So it was it was I'm just surprised that people

1719
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:38,800
Speaker 6: like you said that Phil laid out the case for

1720
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 6: High Tower, knowing he probably was like that. It was

1721
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 6: such a It wasn't even like a like people like

1722
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:46,640
Speaker 6: were like, no, He's definitely not like that surprises me.

1723
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 6: I think that High Tower in a lot of ways

1724
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 6: is similar to will Fork, where like you have to

1725
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 6: the stats don't do it justice to the type of

1726
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 6: impact that he made on a game to game basis

1727
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 6: in the middle of the defense. You know, he has

1728
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 6: the signature plays on top of that, you know, obviously,

1729
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 6: I think maybe one of the best plays of any

1730
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 6: Patriots Super bowls him atacking marshaw on at the one

1731
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 6: yard line with one arm and to you know, set

1732
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,640
Speaker 6: up the Malcolm Butler interception. The strip sack gets a

1733
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:18,759
Speaker 6: lot of love, but he was carp Blanche the quarnerback.

1734
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 6: Nobody blocked them and he and he stripsacked him. I

1735
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 6: think he probably should have been the MVP of Super

1736
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 6: Bowl fifty three. I think he was the best player

1737
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 6: in the game about it, So I think he should

1738
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:29,759
Speaker 6: have been the most Valuable player of a super Bowl

1739
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 6: on top of it. And then you look at all

1740
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 6: of the things that he would do under the hood

1741
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 6: of compressing space, taking on blockers, you know, occupying blockers

1742
01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 6: so that other guys could go ahead and make the

1743
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 6: play on the ball. You know, all these things that

1744
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 6: we talk about with guys like Seymour and Will Fork

1745
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 6: who didn't necessarily have like high level production because they

1746
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 6: were doing their job for the defense. His versatility, his

1747
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 6: ability to play on and off the line of scrimmage,

1748
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 6: his pass rush predictivity, like just across the board. One

1749
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:01,720
Speaker 6: of the best Patriots that I ever got to And

1750
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 6: Phil did a good job of all of that.

1751
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 1: Yeah he did.

1752
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 12: He did.

1753
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:05,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm not saying Phil did it well.

1754
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:08,679
Speaker 9: I did Hear though, how you compare him to Logan Mankins,

1755
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:10,720
Speaker 9: who I mean, same thing, probably even to a more

1756
01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 9: extreme extent, you know, And there's a compelling case made

1757
01:19:14,360 --> 01:19:16,680
Speaker 9: for him the best offensive lineman that that someone had

1758
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 9: ever seen.

1759
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 3: But it's like a five time All Pro.

1760
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:21,120
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, it's just it's it's hard to compare

1761
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:25,280
Speaker 9: prolific wide receiver and excellent guard, you know, a kicker

1762
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 9: who And look, and I brought up the point to

1763
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:29,959
Speaker 9: Paul afterwards. It was, you know, is it worth discussing

1764
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:32,280
Speaker 9: that Adam did? Then Terry played for the Colts for

1765
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 9: a long time, and you know, I just offering the

1766
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:36,559
Speaker 9: question of Paul. Is he a Hall of Fame? Is

1767
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:39,439
Speaker 9: he the greatest kicker of all time? If his career

1768
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 9: ended in O five after with the Patriots? And I

1769
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 9: know that, you know, I'm just.

1770
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 3: Trying to answer was yes, but you're still put.

1771
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 9: Through different perspectives of you know, look, he's yes, he

1772
01:19:49,680 --> 01:19:51,439
Speaker 9: was in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, but did

1773
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 9: not have a little bit at least to do with that.

1774
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:54,840
Speaker 1: He played for the Colts for a long time, and was.

1775
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 7: I think he would have been in any way, but

1776
01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 7: probably he wouldn't probably be in now. Yeah, yeah, like

1777
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 7: if he didn't set all the records, right, you know

1778
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:04,759
Speaker 7: that he ended up compiling in a dome.

1779
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:06,720
Speaker 9: And well he's the leading scorer of all time, Well

1780
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:09,120
Speaker 9: he wouldn't be, you know, like so and look, I'm

1781
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:10,519
Speaker 9: not trying to knock out in Minitarry.

1782
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 1: These are just all of the debates that you kind

1783
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 1: of kick around.

1784
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:15,800
Speaker 7: But I don't think that you can just, you know,

1785
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 7: for this particular individual case, like you say, like if

1786
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 7: he didn't go to Indy, well, does he stay in

1787
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:23,080
Speaker 7: New England and kick the rest of his career because

1788
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 7: he would be the all time leading scorer if he

1789
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 7: did that. Like, he didn't just do that because he

1790
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 7: was in a dome. Now did he play more years

1791
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 7: in a dome?

1792
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 3: Probably?

1793
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 7: Did he have more field goal attempts because they were

1794
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 7: in a dome? Probably, But he'd be if he played

1795
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 7: whatever many years he played for Indy, how many more years?

1796
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 1: About pointing?

1797
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:43,719
Speaker 9: He played with maybe the two best quarterbacks in the league.

1798
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 9: So that did that have something to do with some

1799
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 9: of the parts.

1800
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 1: That he still want to kick him? Yeah, but that's

1801
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 1: I'm just having some fun, That's no.

1802
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 7: And this is this is why I enjoy the conversation. Now,

1803
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 7: Fred and I do a lot, spend a lot of

1804
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 7: time at these meetings rolling our eyes at each other.

1805
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 7: Matter of fact, Fred me in the middle of the

1806
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:04,879
Speaker 7: day yesterday, in the middle of one particularly inane ranton.

1807
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 7: So we Fred and I have some fun with it,

1808
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 7: but that is part of the conversation that I enjoy.

1809
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 7: Like someone can look at Lawyer molloy in his career,

1810
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:17,479
Speaker 7: Brian Moury does it all the time and it's almost

1811
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 7: identical to what Rodney Harrison did. But Rodney is just

1812
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:24,599
Speaker 7: so much more high profile. You know, he was involved

1813
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 7: in two titles plus the Undefeated Team. Lawyer you know,

1814
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 7: left in a contract dispute, so you kind of look

1815
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:33,720
Speaker 7: like it's it's very subjective. You look at it in

1816
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 7: a much different way. On the field as Patriots, they

1817
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 7: were very similar players. They didn't do exactly the same thing,

1818
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 7: but they were very like production, you know.

1819
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 6: I mean, Lawyer malloy was like one of my first

1820
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:50,680
Speaker 6: favorite players as a Patriot fan, and I think that

1821
01:21:50,760 --> 01:21:54,599
Speaker 6: he was one of those guys that similar to Rodney

1822
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 6: that just like set a tone for the defense and

1823
01:21:57,160 --> 01:21:57,760
Speaker 6: was like kind of a.

1824
01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 7: Heartbeat and in the locker room too, Like heitude intimidating dude,

1825
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 7: play with.

1826
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:05,320
Speaker 6: A play demeanor, like a physicality that I'm sure Rabel

1827
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 6: like really appreciates like that that that's the type of

1828
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:10,960
Speaker 6: guy that these types of things are for. I just

1829
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 6: Macons and Welker are more than deserving to be on

1830
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 6: the ballot individually, like Macons is a guard so he

1831
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 6: obviously doesn't have those like signature moments that a guy

1832
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 6: like High Tower might be able to put together. But

1833
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:27,519
Speaker 6: probably the second best lineman in Patriot history behind John Hannah.

1834
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 6: I would think all you know, coach Scarr says he's

1835
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:34,760
Speaker 6: the best lineman he's ever coached. When when Dante Scarneki

1836
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 6: is saying that you gotta that has to hold a

1837
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 6: lot of weight. I just think High Tower is in

1838
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 6: the conversation with those three, so that would agree. So

1839
01:22:42,200 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 6: the way that it was kind of presented of like

1840
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:46,160
Speaker 6: not that I was in the room, but the way

1841
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 6: that you guys told me it was presented of like

1842
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 6: it's probably not gonna happen for High Tower this year,

1843
01:22:50,479 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 6: but we should talk about it. I think that that

1844
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 6: needs to be a bigger conversation.

1845
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that was more of a Gronk Vinetarity thing, like, yeah,

1846
01:22:58,200 --> 01:23:00,120
Speaker 7: we were all like I did the same thing when

1847
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:03,679
Speaker 7: I did Welker. You know, like he's not gonna he's

1848
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 7: I don't think he has any sniff of a chance

1849
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:08,760
Speaker 7: like over Gronk to get in the Hall of Fame,

1850
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 7: nor should he even though I've been sort of making

1851
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 7: the case for Wes Welker, So I think that's what

1852
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:18,400
Speaker 7: where you know, the the Dante stuff, but High Tower

1853
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:21,200
Speaker 7: absolutely Patriots Hall of Fame material.

1854
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 9: Yeah, it was just weird for me to be in

1855
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:27,479
Speaker 9: that position of you know, basically Welker, Mankins, Wayne.

1856
01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:30,200
Speaker 1: Who who went with?

1857
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:31,240
Speaker 8: You know?

1858
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 1: I just yeah, I.

1859
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 5: Think I had Adam, Gronk and West.

1860
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:38,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, he's I mean special player, and you know, I

1861
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:40,599
Speaker 9: just I thought there was Paul did a good job of.

1862
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 3: A muff spread. I had Gronk, Adam and West.

1863
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 4: Sorry, well, you know, when it comes time to vote,

1864
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:48,720
Speaker 4: you'll you'll do the right thing.

1865
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 1: You're a fan, right, Paul R.

1866
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 3: Think I'm going to vote online the Wes Welker.

1867
01:23:55,800 --> 01:24:00,879
Speaker 2: Wont every day makes a bot that just VOTs every.

1868
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 15: Deuteron you have to click than just his readers like

1869
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:11,559
Speaker 15: doing like mail in ballots for Paul's people, you know,

1870
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:13,519
Speaker 15: like people that don't know how to use computers.

1871
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 7: Passionate please sounds like the democratic self addressed men, Like we.

1872
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 6: Have knowing like the age range of the voters, Like

1873
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:28,600
Speaker 6: can we do some exit polling here? Because like I

1874
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 6: bet you that like it's it's a social media vote.

1875
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:33,680
Speaker 6: It is essentially a factor. So like it's got to

1876
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:35,559
Speaker 6: be a lot of people under the age of forty

1877
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 6: and my generation are the ones that are going to

1878
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:40,160
Speaker 6: vote for Gronk because we remember Gronk.

1879
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:42,719
Speaker 5: Ye See, I got called out in the meeting, rightfully,

1880
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:47,639
Speaker 5: so because last year we had this conversation about how

1881
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:50,679
Speaker 5: Adam had no shot to win over Edelment.

1882
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:54,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I made the case, yes he does. I said,

1883
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:58,439
Speaker 4: you know, I'm sixty four. Back then I was sixty three.

1884
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:01,640
Speaker 4: I use the internet. I know how to vote on

1885
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 4: the internet. Why does another people? Why don't other people

1886
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:06,679
Speaker 4: know how to do it? I said, you're not giving

1887
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:10,240
Speaker 4: enough credit to the fans. And then of course this year,

1888
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:12,799
Speaker 4: boy just called me out. I said, we had somebody

1889
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 4: last year that I raised my hand and said I

1890
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:15,720
Speaker 4: was that guy.

1891
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 5: Something else.

1892
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:17,599
Speaker 3: I have faith in the fans.

1893
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 1: I think I was the guy, and I still do.

1894
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:23,760
Speaker 2: I think you have a point, Fred.

1895
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:26,559
Speaker 10: I think Edelman just has done such an amazing job

1896
01:25:26,600 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 10: of keeping himself so relevant, and he plays the game,

1897
01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:31,960
Speaker 10: you know, Foxborough forever.

1898
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 2: I'm not playing for anyone else. And like he.

1899
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 10: Also other people came up at a time, I've been

1900
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:40,080
Speaker 10: so salty today. He came up at a time where

1901
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 10: social media was just catching on, and he embraced it,

1902
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:44,559
Speaker 10: and he built his brand off the field like that,

1903
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 10: and it made him probably such a larger than life

1904
01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:50,320
Speaker 10: personality than he otherwise would have been. So I wonder

1905
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:53,960
Speaker 10: if Edelman's the right person for your argument, because I

1906
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:56,599
Speaker 10: do kind of agree with you, Like we have callers

1907
01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 10: into the show and emailers that have no problem emailing

1908
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 10: us that are geriatric age no offense.

1909
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 3: I don't think it's an age related thing.

1910
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:07,840
Speaker 7: I think plenty of people can go online and vote,

1911
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 7: but I think it's a recency thing.

1912
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, me too, Yeah, yeah.

1913
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,400
Speaker 7: I just like if it was Gronk and Edelman, I

1914
01:26:15,439 --> 01:26:18,800
Speaker 7: think Gronk would win in a landslide. It's the same

1915
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 7: guy that's in, you know, like as Alex just said, accurate,

1916
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:25,000
Speaker 7: the same guy that's done a great job of putting

1917
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:27,840
Speaker 7: himself out there against another guy who's done.

1918
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 3: All those things right. But one isn't but one's better.

1919
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:34,639
Speaker 2: Objective Football Hall of Famer Edm's not right.

1920
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:37,439
Speaker 6: The Welker one, to me is the fascinating one. And

1921
01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:40,559
Speaker 6: I think, like we'll come back to the Mankins and

1922
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 6: the Welkers, Like once we get through some of the

1923
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 6: guys with all the hardware like that, that those guys

1924
01:26:45,840 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 6: will resurface and well they'll get in. But like Welker objectively,

1925
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:52,479
Speaker 6: and I love Julian Edelman, like one of my all

1926
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 6: time favorites, but Welker objectively is a better player than

1927
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 6: Julian Edelman. And he can't sniff it like he can.

1928
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:01,800
Speaker 3: I can't even get him on the ball, like he's

1929
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:03,000
Speaker 3: He's not.

1930
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:06,759
Speaker 6: A better character. He's not a better you know, clutch performer.

1931
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 6: I even though that is even like, oh.

1932
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:11,360
Speaker 3: The debating season numbers are comparable.

1933
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's a lot more games for Edelman, so that

1934
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:16,719
Speaker 7: like talking about the per game averages, right, he didn't

1935
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 7: have Julian Julian's postseason numbers.

1936
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 3: He didn't have the.

1937
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:26,200
Speaker 6: Same like bravado clutch toughness, right that Edelman did. But

1938
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 6: there's no like I think Welker was just an objectively

1939
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:32,360
Speaker 6: better player, like and they played kind of the same position,

1940
01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:33,440
Speaker 6: not exactly.

1941
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:36,439
Speaker 7: But basically in six years he had better production than

1942
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:39,559
Speaker 7: Edelman did. At eleven eleven, Edelman was on the Pagetes

1943
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:41,960
Speaker 7: of twelve. He missed I think the seventeen season with

1944
01:27:42,040 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 7: the twenty a cl and he has I think, what

1945
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 7: did I say, thirty two more catches and basically half

1946
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:49,599
Speaker 7: the time.

1947
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like if you just go on.

1948
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:54,400
Speaker 7: Numbers, and it shouldn't just be about numbers. And I

1949
01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 7: have no problem if people say Edelman should go before Welker,

1950
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:00,679
Speaker 7: that doesn't that doesn't bug me, like them in going

1951
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 7: over Vanitari did last year, or my favorites Matt Lyt

1952
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 7: and Kevin Falk going in ever period, Like I don't

1953
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:10,720
Speaker 7: think either one of those guys, all due respect, Kevin

1954
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:13,519
Speaker 7: Fox is one of my all time favorite guys to

1955
01:28:13,560 --> 01:28:14,759
Speaker 7: talk to in the locker room.

1956
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:16,800
Speaker 3: Like you think Rabel.

1957
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 7: Bust my chops with the if you're just slopped talking Paul,

1958
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:21,720
Speaker 7: like you should have seen what Kevin Fox used to

1959
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:22,160
Speaker 7: do to me.

1960
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 3: I love Kevin Falk, but I don't really think he

1961
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:26,639
Speaker 3: was good enough to be a Patriots Hall of Famer.

1962
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:28,559
Speaker 1: He wore that, he wore that.

1963
01:28:28,520 --> 01:28:31,920
Speaker 9: Jersey and got in good move by him, especially when

1964
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:34,400
Speaker 9: you look through the lens of the people you're considering now.

1965
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:36,080
Speaker 9: But there's also just part of me this is a

1966
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 9: Hall of Fame, fame fame, like I can't get that

1967
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:40,960
Speaker 9: word out of my head that you know, that's part

1968
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:43,559
Speaker 9: of it, like who are the famous Patriots who represent

1969
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:46,599
Speaker 9: the Patriots? And I know, you know, mostly to Tublu

1970
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:48,599
Speaker 9: is not going to get nominated or whatever.

1971
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:51,760
Speaker 6: But like after this case was by that definition he

1972
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 6: should get it.

1973
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:53,160
Speaker 1: He should, I know.

1974
01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 9: And that's and I didn't vote for him, but like

1975
01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 9: after the pitch, I'm like, this is kind of like

1976
01:28:58,360 --> 01:28:59,360
Speaker 9: most should be in there.

1977
01:28:59,400 --> 01:29:01,919
Speaker 6: I mean, he was really famous patron about.

1978
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 9: Well, he didn't do anything bad as well, I'm saying,

1979
01:29:05,240 --> 01:29:06,200
Speaker 9: don't get Hernanda's in.

1980
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:12,800
Speaker 1: Everybody know who he is. He was pretty famous.

1981
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 8: You know.

1982
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 3: But do you think that you know, it's kind of

1983
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:20,519
Speaker 3: like m VP you have to be good to right,

1984
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:21,240
Speaker 3: It's not.

1985
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:24,320
Speaker 9: Yeah, but I think that there's a little wiggle room

1986
01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:26,479
Speaker 9: with a team Hall of Fame.

1987
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 4: As I've always said, this team they're all criteria is

1988
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:32,320
Speaker 4: different than pro football.

1989
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:32,920
Speaker 3: There are some.

1990
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:34,479
Speaker 1: Guys that are just our guys.

1991
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:36,600
Speaker 9: And you know, when Paul laid out the thing for

1992
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 9: Welky yesterday and it was brought up the you know,

1993
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:41,799
Speaker 9: the stupid pass that you know, one of the members

1994
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:43,479
Speaker 9: blatantly put it on Tom.

1995
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 1: Brady for a bad throw. But we all know that throw.

1996
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:49,040
Speaker 1: And I think back to how I felt about Wes

1997
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:49,519
Speaker 1: Welker in.

1998
01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 9: Two thousand and seven when that offense was absolutely humming

1999
01:29:52,360 --> 01:29:53,040
Speaker 9: and he.

2000
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 1: Was just I mean the crazy eyes.

2001
01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:57,320
Speaker 9: I remember watching him like to return U punt and

2002
01:29:57,360 --> 01:29:59,519
Speaker 9: his eyes are just widely, you know, white blue, and

2003
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:01,760
Speaker 9: like this guy's a psycho and he's like five to

2004
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:04,880
Speaker 9: seven and I love him, and I just I that

2005
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:06,560
Speaker 9: brought back all the memories to me, and that was

2006
01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:08,680
Speaker 9: kind of I think why I wrote Welker instead of

2007
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:10,240
Speaker 9: Mankins for the third spot.

2008
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:12,519
Speaker 1: You know, no disrespect to Logan Mankins.

2009
01:30:12,520 --> 01:30:16,559
Speaker 6: He's around, he does a lot of guys can only yeah.

2010
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:16,720
Speaker 1: He kind of is though.

2011
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:20,800
Speaker 6: And Welker, I mean ten twenty eleven, like he did it,

2012
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:23,160
Speaker 6: you know without Moss taking the top off the defense

2013
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 6: here he was unguardable in the sun so you couldn't

2014
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:25,880
Speaker 6: cover him.

2015
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 7: My heart wasn't in it yesterday because I've been beating

2016
01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:30,960
Speaker 7: down so many times. But I'll give you a couple

2017
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:34,439
Speaker 7: of my greatest hits to your point. So in O

2018
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:36,680
Speaker 7: seven and I forget the exact number, I think he

2019
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:39,519
Speaker 7: caught one hundred and fifteen passes and seven the first

2020
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:41,839
Speaker 7: year is here. Let's just call it one hundred and fifteen,

2021
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:46,920
Speaker 7: and then you know the next year, Brady gets hurt.

2022
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:48,600
Speaker 7: He misses the whole yearybody's like, oh, I was going

2023
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 7: to see his production dropped. He caught one fewer pass, yeah,

2024
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 7: for ten less yards. So with or without Brady numbers

2025
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:55,880
Speaker 7: exactly the same.

2026
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:58,840
Speaker 1: His yards perception are exactly the same. Ten point five.

2027
01:30:58,880 --> 01:30:59,800
Speaker 3: How many catches was it?

2028
01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:00,160
Speaker 9: One?

2029
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:02,600
Speaker 1: Twelve and twelve and one eleven.

2030
01:31:03,120 --> 01:31:04,240
Speaker 3: For ten few yards?

2031
01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:08,960
Speaker 7: In eight with Matt cask Castle quickness nine another one

2032
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 7: of my greatest hits.

2033
01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:10,760
Speaker 3: He gets hurt.

2034
01:31:10,760 --> 01:31:12,840
Speaker 7: He tears his a cl in the last game of

2035
01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:16,600
Speaker 7: the season at Houston. He gets hurt. That's arguably the

2036
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:20,120
Speaker 7: single worst playoff loss of the Brady era. They got

2037
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:24,240
Speaker 7: eviscerated without west Well, lost his binkie, lost his binkie.

2038
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 3: They could do nothing that day.

2039
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 7: I mean, and again to Evan's point, Moss leaves and

2040
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:33,559
Speaker 7: he just keeps on going towards a cl The last

2041
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:37,800
Speaker 7: game of that season, how many games he missed, zero

2042
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:38,479
Speaker 7: he missed.

2043
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:39,880
Speaker 3: He was back for Opening Day.

2044
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:41,559
Speaker 5: They won that game, right, the Houston game.

2045
01:31:41,640 --> 01:31:44,240
Speaker 7: The game that you insist that they won somehow I

2046
01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 7: mean he was, uh, they really won that game.

2047
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:48,960
Speaker 9: He was the third place for Offensive Player of the Year,

2048
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:51,240
Speaker 9: second team All Pro, second team All Pro, and eight

2049
01:31:51,320 --> 01:31:52,679
Speaker 9: as well First team All Pro.

2050
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:56,960
Speaker 7: In six seasons, five Pro Bowls, two first team All Pros,

2051
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:58,480
Speaker 7: two second team All Pros.

2052
01:31:58,920 --> 01:31:59,720
Speaker 3: I think he came in.

2053
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:02,760
Speaker 7: He got votes in the Comeback Player of the Year

2054
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:05,800
Speaker 7: after his year that he tore his ACL, but he

2055
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:08,360
Speaker 7: was back for the opener that year, and I mean he.

2056
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:11,160
Speaker 9: Just he in his drop off season in twenty ten

2057
01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:15,479
Speaker 9: off eighty six eighty six catches and seven touchdowns, which

2058
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:19,080
Speaker 9: the third career fourth most touchdowns in the season.

2059
01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:21,519
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's just staggering when you look at

2060
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:22,000
Speaker 1: these numbers.

2061
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:24,599
Speaker 7: And that's why I looked at his postseason numbers, which

2062
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:27,320
Speaker 7: he's considered a choker because he didn't catch the pass

2063
01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:31,120
Speaker 7: in the twenty eleven Super Bowl. He had ten for

2064
01:32:31,240 --> 01:32:33,679
Speaker 7: one oh three and the Giants gone, the first Giants

2065
01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:40,680
Speaker 7: won the undefeated game. He his percentage you know of

2066
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:43,519
Speaker 7: you know, target reception, you know, like Stefan Diggs had

2067
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:47,080
Speaker 7: an unbelievable catch percentage last year was like in the eighties, right,

2068
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:48,600
Speaker 7: something like that, seventy.

2069
01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:50,600
Speaker 3: Five eighty percent efficiency efficiency.

2070
01:32:50,680 --> 01:32:55,240
Speaker 7: Thank you for you know, speaking speaking English, efficiency speaking

2071
01:32:55,439 --> 01:32:59,920
Speaker 7: you know English, for me, words are hard. His efficiency

2072
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 7: in the postseason is actually better than it is in

2073
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:05,519
Speaker 7: the regular season. So like even if you want you

2074
01:33:05,880 --> 01:33:07,960
Speaker 7: throw that like, oh, he couldn't do it. They didn't

2075
01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:10,920
Speaker 7: win any super Bowls. They couldn't do it in the clutch, Like, no,

2076
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:11,400
Speaker 7: he did.

2077
01:33:11,720 --> 01:33:14,040
Speaker 9: He had twenty seven catches in the seven playoffs, I

2078
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:15,920
Speaker 9: mean three games, he had twenty seven catches.

2079
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:16,639
Speaker 3: I mean he was chill.

2080
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:21,040
Speaker 10: I just remember if Gizelle never said that, would.

2081
01:33:21,479 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 6: I just remember when you know, playing they would run.

2082
01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:28,840
Speaker 6: She killed him so many players to get him matched

2083
01:33:28,920 --> 01:33:31,320
Speaker 6: up on the linebackers in the safeties in the middle

2084
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:33,400
Speaker 6: of the field, and he just they couldn't cover them.

2085
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:36,880
Speaker 6: And as it sort of evolved, other teams were starting

2086
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:38,880
Speaker 6: to try to emulate the same sort of actions and

2087
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:41,559
Speaker 6: things like that. And here comes the nickel corners, right,

2088
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:44,519
Speaker 6: and now the slot corner becomes more and more prevalent

2089
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:48,559
Speaker 6: because they couldn't put bigger bodies on Wes Welker.

2090
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:49,240
Speaker 1: He was too good.

2091
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:52,120
Speaker 6: So they then they started to move their corners inside

2092
01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:54,280
Speaker 6: and start to line corners up against them, and he

2093
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:57,920
Speaker 6: dusted them too, So it just was like, not only

2094
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:00,320
Speaker 6: did he sort of have the production, but like he

2095
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:01,360
Speaker 6: kind of changed the game.

2096
01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:05,519
Speaker 9: And schematically and he was part of that whole evolution.

2097
01:34:05,720 --> 01:34:07,559
Speaker 9: I mean I just that that to me, all these

2098
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:09,560
Speaker 9: things added up, and it's just it's always been a

2099
01:34:09,600 --> 01:34:12,200
Speaker 9: shame to me that one misconnection with Brady in the

2100
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:12,879
Speaker 9: Super Bowl.

2101
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:18,880
Speaker 7: And in full disclosure, when we acquired him, I wasn't

2102
01:34:18,920 --> 01:34:21,080
Speaker 7: a huge fan of the move I I you know,

2103
01:34:21,080 --> 01:34:23,720
Speaker 7: it's just like, yeah, I mean he's okay, you'll fit in.

2104
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:27,559
Speaker 3: And I famously called him to fred a nice little player.

2105
01:34:27,720 --> 01:34:30,840
Speaker 3: Pocket change, pocket change. I think I think I actually

2106
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:31,880
Speaker 3: called him loose change.

2107
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:35,479
Speaker 7: Now, okay, yeah, I'm mad enough to admit I was

2108
01:34:35,479 --> 01:34:36,479
Speaker 7: one hundred percent wrong.

2109
01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:38,080
Speaker 3: He changed the game.

2110
01:34:38,360 --> 01:34:42,600
Speaker 7: Troy Brown to me was the the quintessential slot guy.

2111
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:43,840
Speaker 3: He was better than Troy Brown.

2112
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:47,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I love Troy, everybody knows that, sure, but

2113
01:34:47,240 --> 01:34:48,920
Speaker 7: he was a better player than Troy Brown.

2114
01:34:49,479 --> 01:34:53,800
Speaker 9: Yeah, A nice little player that's probably generous.

2115
01:34:54,160 --> 01:34:55,240
Speaker 1: Like the football always looks.

2116
01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:58,479
Speaker 3: That's actually him respondingly, the football always looks so bad.

2117
01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:01,400
Speaker 15: Again, Yeah it looked like a little player.

2118
01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:05,960
Speaker 7: Yeah, we had him on and they put I gotta

2119
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:07,800
Speaker 7: give you. I gotta give him credit. Andy and Fred

2120
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:11,080
Speaker 7: they were like immediately like, so, how would you respond

2121
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:13,360
Speaker 7: if someone described you as a nice little player?

2122
01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:16,320
Speaker 3: And Wes went a nice little player?

2123
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:22,360
Speaker 7: And then Castle was on. He called Castle a tall,

2124
01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:23,400
Speaker 7: skinny bench warmer.

2125
01:35:24,200 --> 01:35:25,960
Speaker 5: That was I think that was the end of.

2126
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:29,960
Speaker 4: Having We didn't get that much, like they're not coming

2127
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:30,960
Speaker 4: on your show anymore.

2128
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:34,759
Speaker 5: That's too much fun anyway.

2129
01:35:35,439 --> 01:35:37,280
Speaker 9: On the it's kind of nice to stick it in

2130
01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:38,800
Speaker 9: Bill's face every once in a while.

2131
01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:42,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, he didn't like, well, was that after the Broncos thing?

2132
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:43,040
Speaker 8: Was that?

2133
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:43,800
Speaker 1: Or was that something?

2134
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:45,200
Speaker 6: How does he feel about feet?

2135
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 9: Which, by the way, I don't know we talked about this,

2136
01:35:48,520 --> 01:35:50,680
Speaker 9: but like now they're saying, I mean Mike Smith this

2137
01:35:50,760 --> 01:35:53,439
Speaker 9: year said that they kind of wrecks and Mike Smith

2138
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:55,840
Speaker 9: kind of put him up to that to that foot thing,

2139
01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:58,599
Speaker 9: like they we're kind of daring West to do it.

2140
01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:02,400
Speaker 9: It was yea, there was a hole behind. It wasn't

2141
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:04,200
Speaker 9: like West just let's get him. It was like, you

2142
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:04,840
Speaker 9: won't say it.

2143
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:10,120
Speaker 3: Michael Smith, his name right, right, Mike Mike Smith.

2144
01:36:10,240 --> 01:36:13,160
Speaker 9: Okay, okay, So I thought that was that was funny

2145
01:36:13,160 --> 01:36:15,840
Speaker 9: to another one though, for that whole resume thing.

2146
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:19,759
Speaker 7: So if that Ravens wild card game wasn't the worst

2147
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:23,120
Speaker 7: postseason loss and Brady's you know, like not non super

2148
01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:24,040
Speaker 7: Bowler edition.

2149
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:25,679
Speaker 1: The one he was benched was the second worst.

2150
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:27,640
Speaker 7: The next year when they get knocked out in the

2151
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:29,479
Speaker 7: division round at home by the Jets, was that and

2152
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:29,960
Speaker 7: he got.

2153
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:30,960
Speaker 3: Benched for the first quarter?

2154
01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:32,920
Speaker 8: Right right?

2155
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:36,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, Rex pulling the Jedi my trick apparently.

2156
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:37,320
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2157
01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:41,400
Speaker 6: I just sawways like his ninety nine yard touchdown. It

2158
01:36:41,479 --> 01:36:43,880
Speaker 6: was like a highlight, that so big he's holding it

2159
01:36:43,920 --> 01:36:45,799
Speaker 6: like ingrained in my brain forever.

2160
01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:48,880
Speaker 4: That's the one where it looks like a rugby. It

2161
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:52,759
Speaker 4: takes up like it starts at his stomach, it goes.

2162
01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:55,000
Speaker 6: All the way to tell it, And that's why he

2163
01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:56,320
Speaker 6: was so so lovable.

2164
01:36:56,360 --> 01:36:59,240
Speaker 9: I mean, Paul talked about him getting or someone else

2165
01:36:59,479 --> 01:37:01,400
Speaker 9: spoke about him getting lit up in one of the

2166
01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:02,880
Speaker 9: games and then talking to him after.

2167
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:05,519
Speaker 1: I mean, you just saw that guy take so many hits.

2168
01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:06,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, he got lit up.

2169
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:07,439
Speaker 1: You know, it's just time.

2170
01:37:07,439 --> 01:37:09,479
Speaker 9: I'm glad we're having a little Wes Welker love fest

2171
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:11,840
Speaker 9: because I just it's such a shame that he was such.

2172
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:13,639
Speaker 7: Going to be quite a while before he gets in, though,

2173
01:37:14,360 --> 01:37:17,840
Speaker 7: great Guy uh More Hall of Fame emails coming in

2174
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:19,120
Speaker 7: Sean Vancouver.

2175
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:22,080
Speaker 4: Sean writes in Adam VINTERI should be in the Patriots

2176
01:37:22,120 --> 01:37:25,000
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame. The eligibility requirement of four years since

2177
01:37:25,080 --> 01:37:27,400
Speaker 4: retirement is there are so players we'll get into the

2178
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:29,200
Speaker 4: hall Patriots Hall of Fame before Canton.

2179
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:29,879
Speaker 5: That's correct.

2180
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:33,400
Speaker 4: Now Adam is going to be going to the Professional

2181
01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:36,080
Speaker 4: Hall Football Hall of Fame. The Patriots have more players

2182
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:38,920
Speaker 4: deserving of that honor than all the other NFL teams.

2183
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:41,360
Speaker 4: Many fans will vote for Gronk over Adam because they

2184
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:43,920
Speaker 4: don't want to see that happen again. They want Gronk

2185
01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:46,360
Speaker 4: honored in New England before Canton.

2186
01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:47,320
Speaker 1: Well, this is.

2187
01:37:47,360 --> 01:37:49,920
Speaker 5: He'll like I said, we'll get in next year.

2188
01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:53,000
Speaker 1: You know what, Just vote for Adam.

2189
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:55,519
Speaker 7: I don't think can I just can I go on

2190
01:37:55,560 --> 01:37:58,479
Speaker 7: the record just maybe people don't agree with this. I

2191
01:37:58,520 --> 01:38:02,400
Speaker 7: don't find it embarrassing in any way if a guy

2192
01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:04,240
Speaker 7: gets in the Pro Football Hall of Fame before he

2193
01:38:04,240 --> 01:38:06,439
Speaker 7: gets in the Patriots Hall of Fame. I don't think

2194
01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:08,439
Speaker 7: that there's anything like there's a lot of guys that

2195
01:38:08,479 --> 01:38:11,360
Speaker 7: are lined up. We only put one in a year,

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01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:14,479
Speaker 7: our committee, we can only nominate three and the fans

2197
01:38:14,479 --> 01:38:18,840
Speaker 7: can only choose one. The NFL, the Pro Football Hall

2198
01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:22,639
Speaker 7: of Fame class is whatever seven like, so there's more

2199
01:38:22,640 --> 01:38:25,840
Speaker 7: opportunities to get in. The thing that happened to Vin

2200
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:28,800
Speaker 7: Terry about the timing, which I didn't even realize until

2201
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:31,800
Speaker 7: the meeting yesterday, is when Adam was four years out,

2202
01:38:31,880 --> 01:38:33,519
Speaker 7: the first year that he should have been eligible was

2203
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:34,720
Speaker 7: the year that we put Brady in.

2204
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:35,120
Speaker 5: Right.

2205
01:38:35,479 --> 01:38:37,560
Speaker 7: Singularly, we didn't even have a vote. We didn't have

2206
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:41,080
Speaker 7: a nomination committee that year. Adam would have gone in

2207
01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:43,920
Speaker 7: that year because Brady wasn't eligible yet.

2208
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:47,800
Speaker 3: We waived the period for Brady for obvious reasons. I

2209
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:49,640
Speaker 3: know that makes it him probably mad, because he's a

2210
01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:51,000
Speaker 3: little salty on Brady.

2211
01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:51,479
Speaker 6: Today right now.

2212
01:38:52,280 --> 01:38:54,920
Speaker 3: But he would have gone in that year, right.

2213
01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:58,320
Speaker 7: That was his first year of eligibility for the Patriots

2214
01:38:58,360 --> 01:39:00,240
Speaker 7: Hall of Fame, his fourth year out yep.

2215
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:02,160
Speaker 3: Then last year was actually his fifty year out.

2216
01:39:02,160 --> 01:39:03,800
Speaker 7: He didn't get in the Pro Football Hall of Fame

2217
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:07,000
Speaker 7: on the first try, right, And that's where we should

2218
01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:09,479
Speaker 7: have been able to, you know, Unfortunately, the vote didn't

2219
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:10,960
Speaker 7: go the way we all think it should have.

2220
01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:14,040
Speaker 3: Now, we have this situation.

2221
01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:17,200
Speaker 7: But I don't think it's an embarrassment if Gronk goes

2222
01:39:17,200 --> 01:39:17,920
Speaker 7: in over Edelman.

2223
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:20,640
Speaker 3: I mean, oh god, no, Adam.

2224
01:39:20,720 --> 01:39:23,519
Speaker 1: No, I'm asking. I'm not.

2225
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:24,320
Speaker 5: I'm not.

2226
01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:28,880
Speaker 4: I'm not asking because I'm I think Adam is more

2227
01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:32,160
Speaker 4: worthy than Gronk. I'm just asking for a favor. Let's

2228
01:39:32,240 --> 01:39:34,880
Speaker 4: get Vinitary done and we'll take care of Gronk next

2229
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:36,679
Speaker 4: Year's all.

2230
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:39,720
Speaker 3: It's a reasonable assome I'm saying.

2231
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:41,479
Speaker 9: Should we shouldn't plead for Welker, you know, I mean

2232
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:43,679
Speaker 9: we could do that too, right, we could counter Fred.

2233
01:39:44,160 --> 01:39:45,960
Speaker 3: Because I just don't. I don't believe that.

2234
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:48,599
Speaker 1: I don't believe he should be a case for that.

2235
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:51,280
Speaker 1: You know, come on, do we ever.

2236
01:39:51,160 --> 01:39:53,480
Speaker 6: Put any film up in these in these meetings.

2237
01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:55,080
Speaker 1: Or we No, No, we don't know.

2238
01:39:55,479 --> 01:39:56,479
Speaker 5: We watched the games?

2239
01:39:56,560 --> 01:39:57,599
Speaker 6: No, it's ever done that.

2240
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Speaker 1: Now it's a good way to kill committee.

2241
01:40:00,600 --> 01:40:02,600
Speaker 3: But like he gets on the committee.

2242
01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:08,000
Speaker 1: But Clickers coming out makes a good point. I like

2243
01:40:08,120 --> 01:40:08,719
Speaker 1: high Tower.

2244
01:40:09,240 --> 01:40:12,320
Speaker 4: For some people, maybe they don't understand all the things

2245
01:40:12,320 --> 01:40:16,000
Speaker 4: that you were talking about that, you know, the behind

2246
01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:17,880
Speaker 4: the scenes. I'm not saying he does on the field

2247
01:40:18,560 --> 01:40:21,720
Speaker 4: that doesn't always get recognized. And if you maybe that

2248
01:40:21,760 --> 01:40:24,720
Speaker 4: would be something that Stacy would allow, is Hey, can

2249
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:28,000
Speaker 4: I just point out, I mean the things that go

2250
01:40:28,120 --> 01:40:30,360
Speaker 4: unnoticed that we're integral to winning.

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01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:33,120
Speaker 10: And I think that's like a younger person's perspective too,

2252
01:40:33,120 --> 01:40:36,839
Speaker 10: because see, Dante high Tower is probably my favorite defensive

2253
01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:40,160
Speaker 10: Patriot ever, and I think that's just part of like

2254
01:40:40,240 --> 01:40:40,959
Speaker 10: our generation.

2255
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Speaker 2: So who's the youngest person on this committee?

2256
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:45,599
Speaker 6: You probably Mike, I don't.

2257
01:40:45,400 --> 01:40:48,240
Speaker 5: Know Phil, Bill, Phil, Phil Perry.

2258
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:48,880
Speaker 4: No.

2259
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:51,400
Speaker 6: And and there's a reason for that that makes total sense,

2260
01:40:51,439 --> 01:40:53,160
Speaker 6: Like you guys have seen a lot more football than

2261
01:40:53,400 --> 01:40:56,599
Speaker 6: somebody like me or whatever. But yeah, I just find

2262
01:40:56,640 --> 01:40:59,560
Speaker 6: it interesting because there are the way that they structure it,

2263
01:40:59,680 --> 01:41:02,960
Speaker 6: especially defensively, like they there are a lot of guys,

2264
01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:04,880
Speaker 6: and this is what was a problem for Seymour, and

2265
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:07,559
Speaker 6: I think it's now a problem for Wilfork that we're

2266
01:41:07,680 --> 01:41:10,479
Speaker 6: not production. Like you can't just look at a box

2267
01:41:10,479 --> 01:41:13,439
Speaker 6: score and say this was their value because that wasn't

2268
01:41:13,439 --> 01:41:15,360
Speaker 6: the type of role that they played. And I think

2269
01:41:15,439 --> 01:41:17,800
Speaker 6: High Tower fits the same, but they don't build him

2270
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:18,799
Speaker 6: like high Tower anymore.

2271
01:41:18,920 --> 01:41:19,880
Speaker 8: We got in.

2272
01:41:20,160 --> 01:41:23,160
Speaker 6: They don't build guys like that anymore. It's disappointed out

2273
01:41:23,160 --> 01:41:26,760
Speaker 6: a clicker There's nobody that like takes on blocks. There's

2274
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:29,680
Speaker 6: nobody that that brings the power like he does, like

2275
01:41:29,800 --> 01:41:31,920
Speaker 6: they the linebackers in today's game are all like two

2276
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:35,000
Speaker 6: hundred and twenty five pounds, like they're running around that.

2277
01:41:35,439 --> 01:41:38,400
Speaker 6: He was a throwback kind of guy. I miss players

2278
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:39,360
Speaker 6: like on.

2279
01:41:39,439 --> 01:41:40,200
Speaker 1: The Hall of Fame.

2280
01:41:40,479 --> 01:41:43,000
Speaker 5: James Pettick grew the most interesting Patriots fan in the world.

2281
01:41:43,080 --> 01:41:46,200
Speaker 4: Right, So question for Mike, if Brady had to go

2282
01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:48,160
Speaker 4: to committee, how long would you have made him wait?

2283
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:52,639
Speaker 1: Well, now, at this point we a long wait.

2284
01:41:55,160 --> 01:41:59,280
Speaker 4: Kyl and Pembroke says, I hate that only one player

2285
01:41:59,320 --> 01:42:01,800
Speaker 4: goes into the Hall every year. We should increase the

2286
01:42:01,880 --> 01:42:05,479
Speaker 4: number of finalists to ten and have the deciding factor

2287
01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:08,280
Speaker 4: being a percentage of the vote, while the fans get

2288
01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:11,080
Speaker 4: to vote on three people, so those who are deserving

2289
01:42:11,120 --> 01:42:14,000
Speaker 4: get in, not just one, and the number who get

2290
01:42:14,040 --> 01:42:16,000
Speaker 4: in are varied year to year.

2291
01:42:16,720 --> 01:42:19,439
Speaker 3: I mean, it's not a terrible idea.

2292
01:42:21,320 --> 01:42:23,400
Speaker 6: Ed eighty plus percent, you're in.

2293
01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:25,680
Speaker 7: I don't hate it, and we're going to give you

2294
01:42:25,720 --> 01:42:27,960
Speaker 7: a ten finalist. You can only vote for three, and

2295
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:29,679
Speaker 7: then it needs.

2296
01:42:29,439 --> 01:42:31,360
Speaker 3: To be a threshold. I don't hate that idea.

2297
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:33,040
Speaker 2: I think even if you keep it at one.

2298
01:42:33,160 --> 01:42:36,160
Speaker 10: I think the mistake was obviously, like you're already waving

2299
01:42:36,200 --> 01:42:39,519
Speaker 10: the four year eligibility for Brady. It was kind of

2300
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:42,360
Speaker 10: shortsighted to maybe say, like, that's the only one that's

2301
01:42:42,360 --> 01:42:44,080
Speaker 10: going to go in just because of all the new

2302
01:42:44,120 --> 01:42:47,480
Speaker 10: Dynasty Wave players coming in, and it created this backlog.

2303
01:42:47,680 --> 01:42:53,200
Speaker 7: No, so I take a little blame slash responsibility because

2304
01:42:53,200 --> 01:42:56,080
Speaker 7: it was kind of my it was. I mean, I'm

2305
01:42:56,080 --> 01:42:57,640
Speaker 7: not going to say that was my idea to have

2306
01:42:57,640 --> 01:42:59,320
Speaker 7: the whole, like the whole Brad in it, because it's.

2307
01:42:59,240 --> 01:43:01,160
Speaker 3: Not like it was brain Wave the four year.

2308
01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:05,880
Speaker 7: Matt no Socks and I we had a long conversation

2309
01:43:05,960 --> 01:43:08,519
Speaker 7: about this and we all agree like it's kind of.

2310
01:43:08,479 --> 01:43:10,280
Speaker 3: Silly that we're going to have Brady go through the

2311
01:43:10,280 --> 01:43:11,240
Speaker 3: same process.

2312
01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:12,839
Speaker 2: As everybody else, and I agree with that.

2313
01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:15,000
Speaker 7: What I wanted to do, however, put to in that

2314
01:43:15,080 --> 01:43:18,400
Speaker 7: year Bingo, I wanted to have the regular committee meet

2315
01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:23,639
Speaker 7: and get together have three nominees. And it wasn't because

2316
01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:26,920
Speaker 7: I was thinking of Adam. I was just thinking Brady's different.

2317
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:28,360
Speaker 2: You're already changing the rule for Brady.

2318
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:31,759
Speaker 7: Well, let's just have the regular roy That year, talking

2319
01:43:31,800 --> 01:43:37,080
Speaker 7: to some people part of it was sort of not

2320
01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:40,880
Speaker 7: knowing when we might get Brady here for the summer,

2321
01:43:40,960 --> 01:43:43,280
Speaker 7: Like it wasn't a foregone conclusion that it was going

2322
01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:45,559
Speaker 7: to be Brady Night in June.

2323
01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:46,280
Speaker 3: The way it was.

2324
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:50,040
Speaker 7: That's kind of the way that Fred, Matt and I

2325
01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:53,519
Speaker 7: when we originally I'm not speaking out of turn here, right,

2326
01:43:53,560 --> 01:43:56,679
Speaker 7: like that's we kind of spearheaded this, right, I don't remember,

2327
01:43:57,120 --> 01:43:59,000
Speaker 7: I'm going to take credit for it. If Fred doesn't remember,

2328
01:43:59,080 --> 01:44:03,040
Speaker 7: I'm going to take credit. But we we always envisioned

2329
01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:05,360
Speaker 7: it kind of going down the way it did. I

2330
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:07,000
Speaker 7: didn't know it was going to be June twelfth and

2331
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:07,639
Speaker 7: all that stuff.

2332
01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:10,360
Speaker 10: I think it was discussed on this show my first

2333
01:44:10,479 --> 01:44:12,640
Speaker 10: year here, like you have to do it big, like

2334
01:44:12,760 --> 01:44:13,320
Speaker 10: Larry Bird.

2335
01:44:13,360 --> 01:44:15,719
Speaker 2: I remember those conversations on the show.

2336
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:21,360
Speaker 10: Something that was even like Paul planned legitimately up upstairs we.

2337
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:24,000
Speaker 4: Talked about it, and I definitely spearheaded that we use

2338
01:44:24,120 --> 01:44:26,200
Speaker 4: Larry Bird as an example that it has to be

2339
01:44:26,280 --> 01:44:28,040
Speaker 4: at least and that wasn't has to go to any

2340
01:44:28,040 --> 01:44:32,120
Speaker 4: meetings again at least that big, if not bigger, and

2341
01:44:32,160 --> 01:44:34,679
Speaker 4: I think we knocked it out of the park.

2342
01:44:34,720 --> 01:44:35,920
Speaker 5: I think it was bigger and better.

2343
01:44:36,040 --> 01:44:38,240
Speaker 3: That was one of the It was absolutely better.

2344
01:44:38,439 --> 01:44:40,759
Speaker 6: That was one career. That was definitely the best event

2345
01:44:40,840 --> 01:44:44,400
Speaker 6: I've ever gotten to work probably ever will Yeah, it was,

2346
01:44:44,439 --> 01:44:46,680
Speaker 6: I mean better than the super Bowl maybe because of

2347
01:44:46,680 --> 01:44:48,960
Speaker 6: the way the game went right, better than the super Bowl,

2348
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:51,400
Speaker 6: Like it was it was for me too, I mean

2349
01:44:51,400 --> 01:44:52,360
Speaker 6: perfect night it was.

2350
01:44:53,000 --> 01:44:54,080
Speaker 2: It was freaking awesome.

2351
01:44:54,479 --> 01:44:56,559
Speaker 6: I mean all the little moment, yeah, I mean.

2352
01:44:58,479 --> 01:44:58,959
Speaker 2: Everything.

2353
01:44:59,000 --> 01:45:01,600
Speaker 9: When do you get a chance to like really celebrate

2354
01:45:02,200 --> 01:45:04,519
Speaker 9: that whole run, you know like that you just you don't.

2355
01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:08,240
Speaker 9: It's all kind of happens within little spurts of championships

2356
01:45:08,280 --> 01:45:10,920
Speaker 9: or super Bowl losses or you know those things.

2357
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:14,519
Speaker 1: But to get there and just like, hey, that was awesome,

2358
01:45:14,680 --> 01:45:15,120
Speaker 1: Like what.

2359
01:45:16,640 --> 01:45:22,599
Speaker 5: Even I know, that was pretty good, but like all

2360
01:45:22,640 --> 01:45:26,160
Speaker 5: the players were great, yea, all the Mike Turrico was great.

2361
01:45:26,360 --> 01:45:28,040
Speaker 5: Everything was just perfect.

2362
01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:30,200
Speaker 9: Like Evan said, yeah, the Randy Moss moment when the

2363
01:45:30,240 --> 01:45:32,280
Speaker 9: crowd just exploded him and now that was.

2364
01:45:32,240 --> 01:45:35,240
Speaker 6: What I meant Like that that season and O seven,

2365
01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:35,559
Speaker 6: I know.

2366
01:45:35,479 --> 01:45:37,240
Speaker 9: It wasn't his last season, but it ended and it

2367
01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:40,040
Speaker 9: was stunk, and you know, it was not completely unlike

2368
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:42,000
Speaker 9: this year. I know they weren't undefeated, but it felt

2369
01:45:42,040 --> 01:45:43,880
Speaker 9: like you're having a magical run and then all of

2370
01:45:43,880 --> 01:45:45,799
Speaker 9: a sudden the rug just gets.

2371
01:45:45,560 --> 01:45:46,519
Speaker 1: Pulled out from under you.

2372
01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:49,960
Speaker 9: But to have a chance to acknowledge Randy Moss for

2373
01:45:50,040 --> 01:45:51,479
Speaker 9: what he did here, and you know, I don't know

2374
01:45:51,479 --> 01:45:53,040
Speaker 9: if he's ever probably not going to make it into

2375
01:45:53,080 --> 01:45:55,720
Speaker 9: the Patriots Hall of Fame, but he certainly is.

2376
01:45:56,320 --> 01:45:58,680
Speaker 1: A famous player that played here and you know was

2377
01:45:58,720 --> 01:45:59,400
Speaker 1: a joy to watch.

2378
01:45:59,439 --> 01:46:00,880
Speaker 5: Did he get in the Patriots Hall of Fame?

2379
01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:05,280
Speaker 3: Whossa didn't do a long enough? I agree, Yeah, that's

2380
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:06,880
Speaker 3: just again my opinion.

2381
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:07,320
Speaker 5: I agree.

2382
01:46:07,479 --> 01:46:09,920
Speaker 6: I think if there's a time period where twenty years

2383
01:46:09,960 --> 01:46:13,040
Speaker 6: from now we kind of don't have run out.

2384
01:46:14,280 --> 01:46:15,360
Speaker 5: In that year, that's all.

2385
01:46:15,560 --> 01:46:19,400
Speaker 6: But Britain didn't school that night, I like was just

2386
01:46:19,439 --> 01:46:24,439
Speaker 6: a it was almost like cathartic Brendon I said, I

2387
01:46:24,439 --> 01:46:27,599
Speaker 6: said it wrong, all of the loose ends because obviously

2388
01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:32,880
Speaker 6: build like say, get fired now gets leaves, And it

2389
01:46:33,080 --> 01:46:36,599
Speaker 6: was you know, Brady also left kind of during COVID

2390
01:46:36,640 --> 01:46:39,559
Speaker 6: in the middle of you know, a weird time frame

2391
01:46:39,680 --> 01:46:42,960
Speaker 6: and it's like closure. Yeah, it was like it was

2392
01:46:43,000 --> 01:46:43,840
Speaker 6: a storybook ending.

2393
01:46:43,840 --> 01:46:45,800
Speaker 9: Honestly, well and you didn't realize, but it was kind

2394
01:46:45,840 --> 01:46:47,599
Speaker 9: of closure with with Brady to something sense.

2395
01:46:48,280 --> 01:46:48,960
Speaker 8: You know he was.

2396
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:52,160
Speaker 6: Him now he doesn't have a dog in the fight.

2397
01:46:52,240 --> 01:46:54,800
Speaker 1: Dude's back for the statue. That's it.

2398
01:46:54,400 --> 01:46:54,599
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2399
01:46:54,880 --> 01:46:56,040
Speaker 6: In the preseason game.

2400
01:46:56,640 --> 01:47:02,439
Speaker 4: Uh, Zach spelled z Ac from Western Pennsylvania. You get

2401
01:47:02,479 --> 01:47:05,639
Speaker 4: a lot of emails about the umpiring and balls of strikes,

2402
01:47:06,040 --> 01:47:08,840
Speaker 4: says I've never liked watching baseball, but I'm loving the debate.

2403
01:47:08,920 --> 01:47:11,160
Speaker 4: It's far more entertaining than any game I've tried to

2404
01:47:11,240 --> 01:47:14,080
Speaker 4: watch for those of us who don't watch. Is a

2405
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:16,599
Speaker 4: strike meant to be a pitch that could be swung

2406
01:47:16,640 --> 01:47:18,120
Speaker 4: at and hit by that batter.

2407
01:47:18,080 --> 01:47:19,679
Speaker 5: Or just a pitch that's over the plate?

2408
01:47:20,120 --> 01:47:22,960
Speaker 4: Wouldn't it be possible to find either one and program

2409
01:47:23,000 --> 01:47:26,040
Speaker 4: that into the technology? Side note, seems to be an

2410
01:47:26,040 --> 01:47:28,200
Speaker 4: increase in Zach's on the show, and it inspired me

2411
01:47:28,240 --> 01:47:31,719
Speaker 4: to write, nice. That's kind of my philosophical like, whatever

2412
01:47:31,760 --> 01:47:34,400
Speaker 4: you want to strike, what does the program that in?

2413
01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:37,160
Speaker 6: What is a strike I.

2414
01:47:38,880 --> 01:47:40,320
Speaker 1: You should be able to hit? Or is it just

2415
01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:40,920
Speaker 1: over the plate?

2416
01:47:41,520 --> 01:47:41,600
Speaker 11: Like?

2417
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:42,639
Speaker 6: Good point?

2418
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:46,639
Speaker 1: Uh Jack in uh Jack Pantos fan.

2419
01:47:47,360 --> 01:47:47,519
Speaker 17: Uh.

2420
01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:50,000
Speaker 4: The agregious call that lost a picture of perfect game

2421
01:47:50,080 --> 01:47:53,120
Speaker 4: was the flagrantly incorrect call of a of safe at

2422
01:47:53,160 --> 01:47:55,719
Speaker 4: first base. That would have been the twenty seventh out

2423
01:47:56,000 --> 01:48:00,599
Speaker 4: of Armando garyl. Gala perfect game against the Yankees.

2424
01:48:00,760 --> 01:48:03,040
Speaker 3: We talked the Yankees.

2425
01:48:03,080 --> 01:48:04,960
Speaker 1: Galarraga retired the next batter.

2426
01:48:05,439 --> 01:48:08,360
Speaker 4: That game is now enshrined at Cooper Cooperstown is the

2427
01:48:08,360 --> 01:48:11,280
Speaker 4: only twenty eight out perfect game in Major League history.

2428
01:48:11,880 --> 01:48:15,480
Speaker 4: With tears in his eyes, the umpire apologized to Galarraga

2429
01:48:15,680 --> 01:48:17,080
Speaker 4: at home plate before the game.

2430
01:48:17,120 --> 01:48:17,760
Speaker 1: The next day.

2431
01:48:18,240 --> 01:48:22,160
Speaker 4: Conspiracy theorists speculates that the ump received a phone call

2432
01:48:22,200 --> 01:48:25,040
Speaker 4: between innings late in the game when the perfect game

2433
01:48:25,200 --> 01:48:28,479
Speaker 4: appeared possible, and called safe at first base because the

2434
01:48:28,520 --> 01:48:31,799
Speaker 4: lowly Detroit Tigers cannot be allowed to pitch a perfect

2435
01:48:31,880 --> 01:48:33,759
Speaker 4: game against the mighty Yankees.

2436
01:48:34,439 --> 01:48:38,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a great conspiracy theory. The team that you

2437
01:48:38,280 --> 01:48:41,000
Speaker 7: think was involved in the conspiracy wasn't playing in the game.

2438
01:48:42,160 --> 01:48:44,200
Speaker 7: It was Detroit against Cleveland.

2439
01:48:45,200 --> 01:48:46,519
Speaker 1: So much for that then.

2440
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:49,960
Speaker 7: But yeah, Alex brought that up earlier in the show,

2441
01:48:50,920 --> 01:48:54,160
Speaker 7: and yeah, Jim Joyce, I believe is the umpire's name,

2442
01:48:54,200 --> 01:48:57,559
Speaker 7: and that yet did Alex is right? That really bothered

2443
01:48:57,640 --> 01:49:00,880
Speaker 7: him that he missed that call. I mean, it was

2444
01:49:00,920 --> 01:49:04,160
Speaker 7: an egregiously bad call. I don't really know how we missed.

2445
01:49:03,880 --> 01:49:05,240
Speaker 1: It spiin Fresno.

2446
01:49:05,479 --> 01:49:08,679
Speaker 4: Fred seems largely correct that a single players strike zone

2447
01:49:08,680 --> 01:49:11,639
Speaker 4: could be set objectively from one at bat to the next,

2448
01:49:11,640 --> 01:49:14,120
Speaker 4: but the strike zone would also have to change within

2449
01:49:14,280 --> 01:49:16,080
Speaker 4: and at bet as the player just a stance.

2450
01:49:16,200 --> 01:49:18,360
Speaker 1: No has nothing to do with his stance.

2451
01:49:18,400 --> 01:49:19,559
Speaker 3: I agree with Fred on that.

2452
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:22,960
Speaker 4: It seems reasonable that the technology could eventually achieve that

2453
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:27,120
Speaker 4: precise morphing a good direction unless one values tradition over

2454
01:49:27,200 --> 01:49:30,040
Speaker 4: accuracy like Paul does. But I picked the knit here.

2455
01:49:30,240 --> 01:49:32,880
Speaker 4: Paul's love of tradition is no less artificial than an

2456
01:49:32,920 --> 01:49:36,599
Speaker 4: accurate artificial intelligence. Wanting human eyes on the game just

2457
01:49:36,640 --> 01:49:40,000
Speaker 4: because their human eyes is a highly artificial approach to

2458
01:49:40,160 --> 01:49:43,760
Speaker 4: something that is supposedly rules based. Both are artificial, but

2459
01:49:43,840 --> 01:49:45,519
Speaker 4: one has the benefit of being right.

2460
01:49:46,520 --> 01:49:47,439
Speaker 5: Okay, I don't know what.

2461
01:49:48,080 --> 01:49:48,600
Speaker 6: I don't really know.

2462
01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:55,320
Speaker 7: There's nothing wrong with that that email, that argument, I

2463
01:49:55,439 --> 01:49:57,439
Speaker 7: just I would just take it. I would just take

2464
01:49:57,479 --> 01:50:02,280
Speaker 7: a slight exception to the fact that you think so

2465
01:50:02,439 --> 01:50:06,679
Speaker 7: therefore you are right. Your side is what you believe,

2466
01:50:07,000 --> 01:50:10,559
Speaker 7: and that is the only side to you. That's what

2467
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:12,880
Speaker 7: I would take exception to. And the whole thing about

2468
01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:15,320
Speaker 7: the strike zone with every batter right.

2469
01:50:15,880 --> 01:50:16,120
Speaker 1: Yep.

2470
01:50:16,600 --> 01:50:18,760
Speaker 7: So, like Fred's point is, just get rid of the

2471
01:50:18,840 --> 01:50:20,600
Speaker 7: umpire altogether and you don't have to worry about the

2472
01:50:20,680 --> 01:50:23,160
Speaker 7: umpire changing from batter to batter right.

2473
01:50:23,479 --> 01:50:23,679
Speaker 5: Yep?

2474
01:50:23,720 --> 01:50:26,920
Speaker 3: Is that accurately? Yeah, maybe I'd like it better if

2475
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:27,599
Speaker 3: that's what they did.

2476
01:50:28,920 --> 01:50:32,200
Speaker 4: Joe and Michigan says, the more rules you make, the

2477
01:50:32,240 --> 01:50:35,320
Speaker 4: more difficult it is to manage the rules. Major League

2478
01:50:35,320 --> 01:50:37,919
Speaker 4: Baseball's rule book is one hundred and sixty five pages,

2479
01:50:38,200 --> 01:50:42,200
Speaker 4: NFL seventy nine, NBA sixty seven, FIFA one hundred and

2480
01:50:42,240 --> 01:50:45,280
Speaker 4: forty three. Wow, how does soccer have that many rules?

2481
01:50:45,920 --> 01:50:50,040
Speaker 1: That's crazy. You can't touch the ball with your hands, that's.

2482
01:50:50,120 --> 01:50:52,320
Speaker 3: That's more rules. I've had goals scored in the history

2483
01:50:52,320 --> 01:50:52,920
Speaker 3: of the World Cup.

2484
01:50:53,680 --> 01:50:56,479
Speaker 6: Oh my goodness. So speaking about the World may because

2485
01:50:56,479 --> 01:51:01,240
Speaker 6: it's the oldest game. Italy to qualify for the World

2486
01:51:01,280 --> 01:51:06,200
Speaker 6: Cup for the third straight time, I mean, that's like,

2487
01:51:07,120 --> 01:51:08,040
Speaker 6: what's going on there?

2488
01:51:08,920 --> 01:51:15,320
Speaker 3: Scozy to not call some of your boys, I mean,

2489
01:51:17,160 --> 01:51:18,840
Speaker 3: did you see? Did you see what we wound?

2490
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:19,960
Speaker 14: All?

2491
01:51:20,040 --> 01:51:20,439
Speaker 3: Right? Then?

2492
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:25,040
Speaker 6: With a bunch of kids from New Jersey Italian Americans

2493
01:51:25,080 --> 01:51:26,000
Speaker 6: playing for a team.

2494
01:51:26,840 --> 01:51:30,680
Speaker 7: Great Weissert doesn't doesn't scream to uh.

2495
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:34,519
Speaker 4: Matt, and Wichita says, I side with Paul, Yeah, to

2496
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:36,559
Speaker 4: side with Paul a bit. There is a level of

2497
01:51:36,760 --> 01:51:39,160
Speaker 4: There is a level of depth that is now lost

2498
01:51:39,200 --> 01:51:42,439
Speaker 4: in baseball. I played catcher in high school, and how

2499
01:51:42,439 --> 01:51:45,280
Speaker 4: the ump called balls and strikes absolutely affected how we

2500
01:51:45,280 --> 01:51:46,360
Speaker 4: were going to pitch that day.

2501
01:51:46,640 --> 01:51:48,519
Speaker 1: In high school, the yumps might be off.

2502
01:51:48,360 --> 01:51:51,280
Speaker 4: By six inches instead of point five, but to me,

2503
01:51:51,560 --> 01:51:53,599
Speaker 4: it was just part of the game that the batter

2504
01:51:53,680 --> 01:51:56,320
Speaker 4: and the catcher slash pitcher had to adapt to right.

2505
01:51:56,720 --> 01:51:59,479
Speaker 4: You had to because they weren't accurate.

2506
01:52:01,439 --> 01:52:03,200
Speaker 5: I get it, And.

2507
01:52:03,479 --> 01:52:06,280
Speaker 4: Matt also says, the one thing I love I'm trying

2508
01:52:06,520 --> 01:52:08,840
Speaker 4: the one thing I love about the baseball review is

2509
01:52:08,840 --> 01:52:09,519
Speaker 4: that it's fast.

2510
01:52:09,920 --> 01:52:10,639
Speaker 1: I wish we could.

2511
01:52:11,120 --> 01:52:13,280
Speaker 4: I wish we could get more of the Baseball level

2512
01:52:13,280 --> 01:52:16,720
Speaker 4: of speed into football. When it is fast like how

2513
01:52:16,760 --> 01:52:19,519
Speaker 4: baseball is, it doesn't take away from the fan experience

2514
01:52:19,600 --> 01:52:21,519
Speaker 4: that much. In some of the games, the crowd gets

2515
01:52:21,520 --> 01:52:24,439
Speaker 4: into the reviews. I think the fans enjoy heckling OMPs

2516
01:52:24,479 --> 01:52:27,559
Speaker 4: when they're wrong. It all feeds into the experience. Football

2517
01:52:27,600 --> 01:52:30,280
Speaker 4: reviews are so slow compared to what baseball is doing.

2518
01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:33,360
Speaker 4: If it's clear and obvious. Why can't a football review

2519
01:52:33,880 --> 01:52:36,000
Speaker 4: just be nearly instant, because.

2520
01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:39,680
Speaker 6: It's not like football, Like you, if you're challenging, like

2521
01:52:39,720 --> 01:52:41,360
Speaker 6: in or out of bounds, you have to use the

2522
01:52:41,439 --> 01:52:44,439
Speaker 6: human eye to tell whether this is a computer that's

2523
01:52:44,479 --> 01:52:47,120
Speaker 6: literally just zapping down to the umpire and saying in

2524
01:52:47,160 --> 01:52:47,719
Speaker 6: the case.

2525
01:52:47,520 --> 01:52:48,360
Speaker 5: Of balls and strikes.

2526
01:52:48,400 --> 01:52:51,799
Speaker 4: But I will say to counter that, there's some baseball

2527
01:52:51,800 --> 01:52:53,479
Speaker 4: ones that are so long.

2528
01:52:53,360 --> 01:52:57,080
Speaker 6: Right, the ones take forever, right because they have to

2529
01:52:57,080 --> 01:52:59,479
Speaker 6: go frame by frame and they have, you know, look

2530
01:52:59,520 --> 01:53:01,519
Speaker 6: at it just like they do in football. This is

2531
01:53:01,560 --> 01:53:03,920
Speaker 6: an artificial computer that's just saying.

2532
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:04,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, have been quick.

2533
01:53:04,920 --> 01:53:07,800
Speaker 7: The balls and strikes overturned enough, they have been quick.

2534
01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:10,160
Speaker 6: But the game the other day with C. B. Buckner

2535
01:53:10,200 --> 01:53:12,760
Speaker 6: took four hours because of the stupid reviews. I was like,

2536
01:53:12,800 --> 01:53:14,040
Speaker 6: this is unbelievab.

2537
01:53:13,560 --> 01:53:15,080
Speaker 7: And I don't know if this is accurate, but I

2538
01:53:15,120 --> 01:53:17,920
Speaker 7: saw something after that game, and this was an egregiously bad,

2539
01:53:18,600 --> 01:53:21,720
Speaker 7: you know, poorly officiated game. He missed twelve balls and

2540
01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:25,920
Speaker 7: strikes in the game. That's considered like unbelievably bad. Twelve

2541
01:53:27,320 --> 01:53:31,080
Speaker 7: out of what two hundred and fifty pitches he missed twelve,

2542
01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:35,880
Speaker 7: well all time, that were no no, no, right, no, he.

2543
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:37,320
Speaker 3: Missed twelve balls and strikes and.

2544
01:53:37,320 --> 01:53:39,840
Speaker 5: The oh they went back and looked, yeah, okay.

2545
01:53:39,640 --> 01:53:42,720
Speaker 3: Cool again. I don't. I didn't study it. Maybe you're

2546
01:53:42,800 --> 01:53:43,720
Speaker 3: right like I don't.

2547
01:53:44,040 --> 01:53:46,040
Speaker 6: It's nerd stuff they do with computers.

2548
01:53:46,120 --> 01:53:50,400
Speaker 7: Yeah, according to the computer, every pitch evaluated, he missed twelve.

2549
01:53:50,160 --> 01:53:50,719
Speaker 5: Miss twelve.

2550
01:53:51,080 --> 01:53:55,639
Speaker 7: They agreed, like that's that's that's really, that's like exceptionally best.

2551
01:53:55,640 --> 01:53:56,879
Speaker 5: Twelve too many, that's.

2552
01:53:56,680 --> 01:54:00,160
Speaker 3: Ex but that is like the extreme bad.

2553
01:54:00,240 --> 01:54:02,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, they've been doing that for years that they have

2554
01:54:03,000 --> 01:54:07,280
Speaker 6: the computer like goes and U grades the umpires and

2555
01:54:07,320 --> 01:54:12,400
Speaker 6: then they hold the umpires accountable, supposedly for being wrong.

2556
01:54:12,560 --> 01:54:19,200
Speaker 4: They should rock little subtle Eric in Rochester, New York,

2557
01:54:19,720 --> 01:54:22,759
Speaker 4: after slogging my way through the Major League Baseball Challenge

2558
01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:26,160
Speaker 4: discussion without jumping in front of busy traffic, I'm sorry.

2559
01:54:26,200 --> 01:54:29,799
Speaker 4: Paul mentioned something that made me think, what is everyone's

2560
01:54:29,800 --> 01:54:33,040
Speaker 4: favorite sports arguments to have? I'm friends with a few lawyers,

2561
01:54:33,640 --> 01:54:35,840
Speaker 4: so arguing is always what we're doing, but some of

2562
01:54:35,880 --> 01:54:39,080
Speaker 4: our best always revolved around whether Brady was a system

2563
01:54:39,160 --> 01:54:43,200
Speaker 4: quarterback or not. What are everyone's favorite or most enjoyable

2564
01:54:43,240 --> 01:54:44,920
Speaker 4: sports arguments to partake it?

2565
01:54:45,080 --> 01:54:47,240
Speaker 6: I mean, that's a dumb argument, like how many systems

2566
01:54:47,280 --> 01:54:47,960
Speaker 6: did you play it?

2567
01:54:48,120 --> 01:54:51,200
Speaker 4: You have dumb friends, like dumb lawyer friends. I'm glad

2568
01:54:51,360 --> 01:54:53,280
Speaker 4: if I ever need a lawyer, I'm not calling your friends.

2569
01:54:53,360 --> 01:54:55,840
Speaker 6: Like the team and O seven was running a much

2570
01:54:55,840 --> 01:54:57,920
Speaker 6: different offense of the team and eleven to the team

2571
01:54:58,440 --> 01:55:01,600
Speaker 6: in fourteen through eighteen, like those are all different iterations

2572
01:55:01,640 --> 01:55:05,360
Speaker 6: of the same anyways, the one that I love the

2573
01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:08,560
Speaker 6: most is like the eras of athletes, like if you

2574
01:55:08,600 --> 01:55:11,760
Speaker 6: were to put like Bill Russell and Bob Kozy in

2575
01:55:11,880 --> 01:55:14,800
Speaker 6: the NBA today, like would they hold up? Would they

2576
01:55:14,840 --> 01:55:17,880
Speaker 6: be good, you know, or would they be like out

2577
01:55:17,920 --> 01:55:19,800
Speaker 6: of the league, you know, like not even competitive?

2578
01:55:19,920 --> 01:55:21,960
Speaker 4: And I think I love that argument too. But the

2579
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:25,320
Speaker 4: thing that sometimes gets lost in that you have to

2580
01:55:25,360 --> 01:55:28,120
Speaker 4: be fair and say Bill Russell born today gets the

2581
01:55:28,160 --> 01:55:31,680
Speaker 4: same nutrition and the same training, the same everything, and

2582
01:55:31,720 --> 01:55:32,480
Speaker 4: then I just.

2583
01:55:33,960 --> 01:55:34,920
Speaker 5: I just drop him in.

2584
01:55:35,040 --> 01:55:37,120
Speaker 6: No, I think Bill Russell would still be good no

2585
01:55:37,160 --> 01:55:39,880
Speaker 6: matter what, because because especially the way the game is

2586
01:55:39,920 --> 01:55:41,000
Speaker 6: played now, like.

2587
01:55:40,960 --> 01:55:44,440
Speaker 5: Well he's old and he's dead, well as the older

2588
01:55:44,600 --> 01:55:45,120
Speaker 5: he dead.

2589
01:55:45,720 --> 01:55:50,720
Speaker 6: And somebody else somebody always makes that joke when you

2590
01:55:50,760 --> 01:55:54,160
Speaker 6: bring up this, Oh my god, the way the game

2591
01:55:54,240 --> 01:55:56,880
Speaker 6: is played now, Like you know, I look at like

2592
01:55:57,040 --> 01:55:59,680
Speaker 6: Nimi Kita on the Celtics, Like Bill Russell's just like

2593
01:56:00,080 --> 01:56:02,520
Speaker 6: much better version of that, right because all that guy's

2594
01:56:02,560 --> 01:56:06,080
Speaker 6: doing is running the floor, blocking shots and catching lobs.

2595
01:56:06,160 --> 01:56:08,320
Speaker 6: Bill Russell would be amazing at that, Like he had

2596
01:56:08,880 --> 01:56:11,840
Speaker 6: tracker speed, you know level speed he jumped out of

2597
01:56:11,880 --> 01:56:14,800
Speaker 6: the gym. Bob Coosey, on the other hand, I think

2598
01:56:14,880 --> 01:56:16,840
Speaker 6: the coups would be would have a tough time.

2599
01:56:16,720 --> 01:56:18,200
Speaker 1: The tallest cos he's not very big.

2600
01:56:18,240 --> 01:56:20,800
Speaker 3: You don't think just around with your right hand constant.

2601
01:56:22,120 --> 01:56:24,080
Speaker 9: But I was like the old hockey guys, like no

2602
01:56:24,120 --> 01:56:27,320
Speaker 9: one training in the off season. Everybody's like smoking butts between.

2603
01:56:27,040 --> 01:56:29,440
Speaker 3: Shifts, like you know, it's there the one.

2604
01:56:29,480 --> 01:56:32,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I know that no athletes too much context.

2605
01:56:32,120 --> 01:56:33,600
Speaker 1: There's you know, there is an element of that.

2606
01:56:33,640 --> 01:56:35,800
Speaker 5: So what do you think, like the humans just weren't

2607
01:56:35,800 --> 01:56:36,600
Speaker 5: as good back then?

2608
01:56:36,760 --> 01:56:40,000
Speaker 6: Yes, okay, Like like people so people use this argument,

2609
01:56:40,080 --> 01:56:42,280
Speaker 6: right and they're like, oh, like if you put you know,

2610
01:56:42,440 --> 01:56:44,960
Speaker 6: a player in football from the nineteen set, like in

2611
01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:47,360
Speaker 6: the nineteen seventies, offensive linemen were like two hundred and

2612
01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:51,400
Speaker 6: sixty five pounds, like now a guy on average is

2613
01:56:51,400 --> 01:56:54,080
Speaker 6: three twenty. Right, So like if you put I love

2614
01:56:54,160 --> 01:56:57,840
Speaker 6: John Hannon, is that well evolution but ect But like

2615
01:56:57,920 --> 01:57:01,080
Speaker 6: if you put guys from that chicken from that era,

2616
01:57:01,480 --> 01:57:04,400
Speaker 6: I guess like maybe if they beefed up or whatever

2617
01:57:04,520 --> 01:57:07,440
Speaker 6: and got into these programs and became three hundred and

2618
01:57:07,480 --> 01:57:10,520
Speaker 6: twenty pounds, sure, I suppose, but like that That's the

2619
01:57:10,600 --> 01:57:12,160
Speaker 6: thing to me, is like it's.

2620
01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:13,920
Speaker 7: Like what you guys were talking about what hat knocks

2621
01:57:13,920 --> 01:57:16,040
Speaker 7: when we started the show, and you guys were telling

2622
01:57:16,080 --> 01:57:18,640
Speaker 7: that that anecdote about the offensive line coach for Cleveland's

2623
01:57:18,680 --> 01:57:23,200
Speaker 7: and we walked two World Wars on push up jumping Jackson. Well,

2624
01:57:23,560 --> 01:57:26,640
Speaker 7: you know, exercise is sort of evolved, you know, like

2625
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:29,520
Speaker 7: you watch what these guys do some of the some

2626
01:57:29,600 --> 01:57:33,920
Speaker 7: of the the isometric exercises, and oh just everything is

2627
01:57:33,960 --> 01:57:35,520
Speaker 7: so much clean squads.

2628
01:57:35,840 --> 01:57:37,760
Speaker 4: One of the ones I like to have is the

2629
01:57:37,800 --> 01:57:41,000
Speaker 4: most valuable player one, like, what is the most valuable the.

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Speaker 6: Best of the most valuable.

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Speaker 9: I like the beating teams and eras against each other,

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Speaker 9: you know, like a three verse oh four, those like those.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jordan Varsus Lebron, I'm just kidding, that's.

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Speaker 9: Not I don't like, I don't like the loo's to

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Speaker 9: the wide receiver one we need the most.

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Speaker 1: I don't like that one.

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Speaker 3: That's that's Mike's least Mike's least.

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Speaker 1: Bait is why get Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase?

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Speaker 3: Thank you?

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Speaker 6: I think we should trade all of our draft.

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Speaker 3: For who says?

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Speaker 5: I'm sure when it's time vote for Adam or see

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