1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: Lady and avoiding all you want to have been more and more. 2 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: Welcome to Massa Territory, ladies and gentlemen. We have a 3 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: special guest here tonight, Tim Healy of the Boston Globe. 4 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, my friend. How you doing? 5 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 3: I'm doing great? How are you doing? 6 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 4: Oh man? 7 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 2: You know we got the Josh Naylor signing yesterday. It 8 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: felt like a weight lifted off of our shoulders. I 9 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: was speculating this yesterday, and I don't know if you 10 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 2: felt this too. I was sitting around yesterday my fantasy 11 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,599 Speaker 2: football team was getting clobbered, and I thought. 12 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 4: You know, where are the rumors soon? Where is the news? 13 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 2: Where are all the golden tidbits out there? And I 14 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: thought back to last season. I felt like we had 15 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 2: so much more happening around this time. And then I 16 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 2: connected some dots like, oh yeah, Wan Soto, that was 17 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 2: kind of dominating the news cycle, especially in You're early going. 18 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 2: Have you kind of felt that way too, especially with 19 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 2: all the Sodo stuff last year with the Mets. 20 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 5: I haven't really sensed that, but I suspect one factor 21 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 5: is that the GM meetings this year are were a 22 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 5: week later than normal, right, Normally there immediately after the 23 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 5: World Series. 24 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 4: There it iss and. 25 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 5: Agents are talking, teams and teams are talking. This year 26 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 5: they got pushed back a week, so maybe that has something. 27 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 3: To do with it. 28 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 2: I think that's it, because listen, I'm a freak when 29 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 2: it comes to all the rumors and all that. I 30 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 2: live and die off of it, and I think that 31 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: might actually be it. I think you're onto something there. Well, 32 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 2: I appreciate that little tidbit there, but I'm here, Yes, absolutely, 33 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 2: And this is why you work for the Boston Globe. 34 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: You're so good at what you do. UK. Speaking of 35 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 2: the Boston Globe, I got to ask it. You're coming 36 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 2: from mets Land, you know, lots of experience over there. 37 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 2: You did work with the Marlins, two with the Mets. 38 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 2: In the Red Sox big fan bases, I gotta ask you, 39 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 2: what are the biggest differences that you see between the 40 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: two fan bases. 41 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 5: That's a great question, and they have long struck me 42 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 5: as very similar, to be honest, right, massive fan bases. 43 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 3: Hardcore. 44 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 5: Moods, and days ruined or made based on the score 45 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 5: of the game that night. Yeah, and I you know, 46 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 5: full disclosure, I grew up a Red Sox fan and 47 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 5: even though that teams, even though that team specific fantoms 48 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 5: sort of falls by the wayside as you get into 49 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 5: the media side of things, it definitely gives me a 50 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 5: level of insight into the psyche of Red Sox fans 51 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 5: that I didn't have on the Mets side. So learning 52 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 5: the Mets and comparing that to the Red Sox and 53 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 5: now coming back to the Red Sox world. It's funny 54 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 5: because the Mets have not won the World Series in 55 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 5: going on forty years, and all of the insane stuff 56 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 5: that has happened to that franchise and in that franchise 57 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 5: in the last decades is has messed with them collectively 58 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 5: in such a way that they're always waiting for the 59 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 5: other shoe to drop. And the messed up part is 60 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 5: that other shoe usually does drop at some point. Right 61 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,239 Speaker 5: this year, they completely collapsed the miss the playoffs. That's 62 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 5: probably what Red Sox fans were for a long time there, 63 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 5: But as we know, they've won four times this century. 64 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 5: There in many ways a model organization, if less so 65 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 5: in the last few years. So as even though both 66 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 5: fambriations are massive and ravenous, Red Sox fans have, you know, 67 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 5: they've been eating good the last fifteen twenty years. 68 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, now, I'd say the Red Sox, they are this 69 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 2: is how long I've been a fan, now a twenty 70 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 2: five thirty years. 71 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 4: I get. 72 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: The best way for me to explain it is, you 73 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 2: could be having the best day ever as a Red 74 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,839 Speaker 2: Sox fan. Things are great. Two hours later, not even 75 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 2: two hours later. An hour later, it's like the worst 76 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 2: day ever. It can just shift like that. The Red Sox, 77 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 2: you know, we've had our highs, but the lows are brutal. 78 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 2: You've had Theowepstein in a gorilla suit, you have the 79 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 2: twenty eleven meltdown, Mookie Bets trade, We've we've been through 80 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 2: it all. And the Mets they've definitely had theirs as well. 81 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 2: But it's interesting. 82 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 4: You got some. 83 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 2: Parallels there, parallels absolutely, but hopefully for the Mets they 84 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 2: can bounce back. 85 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 4: So we'll see. 86 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 2: But I gotta ask you, my friend, last week you 87 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 2: were at the GM meetings, and like you just said, 88 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 2: they were a week later. 89 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 4: I didn't realize that. 90 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 2: But uh, you know, it felt like, you know, things 91 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 2: are starting to get in motion, the wheels were starting 92 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 2: to turn a little bit. And after spending your time there, 93 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: you had everything going on, you know, GMS, President Baseball 94 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: Operations talking breaking bread, you had the awards and everything. 95 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 2: What was the were some takeaways that you had leaving 96 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 2: the general manager meetings? 97 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 5: My biggest takeaway was the Red Sox are. 98 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 3: Big game hunting this offseason. 99 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 5: Greg Breslow talked a big game in a way that 100 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 5: he has not in past off seasons. And you know, 101 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 5: we've gotten full throttle comments and things along those lines 102 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 5: in recent years which proved to be proved to be 103 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 5: not really predictive of of the off seasons that ensued. 104 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 5: But Craig Breslo set the bar high. He wants a 105 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 5: legit number two slash one. B started to go with Garacochet. 106 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 5: He wants and I love the quote on it. He 107 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 5: wants a middle or of the order bat that the 108 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 5: other team has to play around. That is, that's not 109 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 5: just your run of the mill Josh Naylor, Vinnie Pascatino 110 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 5: first baseman. That's a that's that sets the bar very high. 111 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 5: So you know, he has his work cut out for 112 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 5: him now. He you know, really has nobody but himself 113 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 5: to blame or to credit for setting the bar so high. Yeah, 114 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,479 Speaker 5: So it's it's gonna be a really interesting offseason to 115 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 5: come because we all knew on the outside that that 116 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 5: is what the Red Sox needed. But I think for 117 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 5: Red Sox fans, it was encouraging to hear the Boss 118 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 5: say as much specifically and in public that yes, item 119 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 5: number one, item. 120 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 3: Number two, this is what the Red Sox are going for. 121 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 2: It's felt like for a while now, going about five 122 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 2: years now, you know, just making it back to the 123 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 2: postseason this past year, it felt like that was the 124 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 2: first hurdle to really get over, and I was expecting this. 125 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 2: This has been basically the story with the Red Sox 126 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 2: going back ever since John Henry took over. Whenever they 127 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 2: got into back into a competitive window and we're in one, 128 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: that's when they've shown the aggressiveness. And it's been frustrating 129 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 2: for the last you know, five six years now, since 130 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 2: the Mookie trade twenty twenty one. You know, you can 131 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 2: kind of scratch that off, but you know, that's kind 132 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 2: of what the Red Sox have been doing over the years. 133 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 2: They rebuild that farm system, and then once they get 134 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 2: these younger guys that are ready to contribute at the 135 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,119 Speaker 2: major league level, that's when they go and make those 136 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 2: moves and I'm fully expecting a bigger offseason for the 137 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 2: Red Sox here and like you said, with Craig setting 138 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 2: the bar high. If you know, with Craig, I've noticed 139 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 2: over the last couple of years since taking over. I 140 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 2: don't want to say he gives word salads, but you know, 141 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: he dances around I think a little bit. But his 142 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 2: answer is very straightforward this time around, like this is 143 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: what we're looking for, this this, this is that kind 144 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 2: of what you're feeling too. 145 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was much more black and white and it 146 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 5: wasn't quite a Dave Dombrowski style full shopping list at 147 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 5: the beginning of the offseason, but Breslo did let did 148 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 5: open the door a little bit more than he normally 149 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 5: does this early. So yeah, yeah, it seems like, you know, 150 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 5: I don't know if that's a concerted shift in his approach, 151 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 5: in his public speaking approach. I don't really know, you know, 152 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 5: I don't have a huge body of work on him. Yeah, 153 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 5: but it's uh it. I think it's helpful. I'm helpful 154 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 5: when dealing with on the teams, helpful and sending a 155 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 5: message to the fans and then dealing with reporters to 156 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 5: you know, lightly outline, this is what they're looking to accomplish. 157 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely accomplishing it. Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, we'll see what 158 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 2: he can do. Big off season last year, and I 159 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 2: think he's very capable of having another good one for 160 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 2: this offseason. But one big name that keeps popping up 161 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 2: for the Red Sox, and with Josh Nayler coming off 162 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: the board going back to the Mariners, all eyes are 163 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 2: pointing to another first basement out there, someone that you 164 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 2: covered very heavily, and that was Pete Alonso. I got 165 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: to ask you before getting into you know, positional, why 166 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 2: you know the fit of him in the starting nine 167 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 2: with the Red Sox in the lineup. After covering Pete 168 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 2: Alonso for so long, you know what you got personality 169 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 2: wise from him, just him as a person. If let's 170 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 2: say he were to come to the Red Sox, you know, 171 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 2: just throw it out there. How do you think he 172 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 2: would fit in the city Boston after seeing him in 173 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 2: Queen's for so. 174 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 5: Long, I honestly think he would be a natural fit 175 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 5: in the city, in the region, in the market. Like 176 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 5: you said, set aside the skill set and roster fit, 177 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 5: He's a blue collar kind of guy and Boston and 178 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 5: New England is a blue collar kind of place, so 179 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:24,719 Speaker 5: I think he would embrace Boston and Boston would embrace him. Plus, 180 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 5: you know Red Sox fans like their big old sluggers, right. 181 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 5: Every World Series title this decade has had that guy 182 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 5: at DH or teas or teas or teas, and then JD. 183 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 5: Martinez in eighteen, and Pete Alonso's in that mold so 184 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 5: hard worker, has had to work for everything that he's had. 185 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 5: There are questions about his defense, and you know, I 186 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 5: think back to twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen when he was 187 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 5: in the minor leagues about to reach the majors, and 188 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 5: scouts openly wondered, Mets executives openly wondered if he would 189 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 5: be legitimate first basement in the majors, And here he is, 190 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 5: all these years later, still playing first base. So I 191 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 5: would say, as far as roster fit and market fit, 192 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 5: city fit, doubt Pete Alonzo at your own risk. 193 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree. 194 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: And he just has the nickname, and that's one thing 195 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 2: that the Red Sox fans love. They love nicknames, right, Yeah, well, 196 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 2: minus Panda, that was one that we got over that 197 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 2: one pretty quickly. But I think he would be a 198 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 2: great fit as well, you know, getting back to the 199 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 2: defense there getting I hate to keep going back to 200 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 2: the old team you covered the Mets, but that's all right. 201 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 4: It's valuable in this situation. It just is. 202 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 2: But David Stern's one thing that has been talked about 203 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 2: with him and his approach to this offseason is run prevention, 204 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 2: improving the defense, just like the Red Sox are looking 205 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 2: to do as well. You know, we've heard a couple 206 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: of different things when it comes to the Mets and 207 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 2: Pete Alonzo. Again, the run prevention, they're looking to improve that. 208 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 2: But then we've also gotten some other reports that the 209 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 2: communication between Lonzo Boris and the Mets seems to be positive, 210 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 2: at least in the early going. Kind of what is 211 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 2: your take on everything with the Mets and a reunion 212 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 2: with Pete Alonso. 213 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 3: Is possible? 214 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 5: I wouldn't say that it's likely, but it's certainly possible. 215 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 5: I think, you know, at the baseball fan in me, 216 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 5: and I wrote about this in the Globe a couple 217 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 5: of weeks ago, but the baseball fan in me would 218 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 5: love to see Alonzo stay with the Mets because he 219 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 5: has a chance to be a one team guy and 220 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 5: those don't exist much these days anymore, so. 221 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 3: It what I like to see it. Sure, that'd be nice. 222 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 5: I'm not so sure that the Mets will be willing 223 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 5: to spend tens of millions of additional dollars for the 224 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 5: sake of that, right. It is not in David Sterns's 225 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 5: blood to hand out massive contracts to guys on the 226 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 5: wrong side of thirty. So whether owner Steve Cohen, you know, 227 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 5: tells David Stearns to do whatever it takes. 228 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 3: I'm not so sure. Yeah, but if Peter A. 229 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 5: Lonzo gets the four or five year deal, maybe longer 230 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 5: that he's looking for, it's going to be a real 231 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 5: test of the philosophy of David Stearns and the Mets. 232 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I keep thinking about you know, yes, David Stearns, 233 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 2: he's with a big market team now, but I always 234 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 2: just think back to where he came from, you know, 235 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 2: with the Brewers, the small market mentality. You know, you 236 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: look at what he was doing on the pitching side 237 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 2: of things, looking for buy low, high reward kind of guys. 238 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 2: You saw that with Clay Holmes this past year, Luis Savarino, 239 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 2: Frankie Montaz. 240 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 4: He took a chance on. 241 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 2: If the Mets, if you were to off the top 242 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 2: of your head, what do you think the Mets would 243 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 2: if they, let's say, moved on from Alonso, What direction 244 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 2: do you think they would go? And do you think 245 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 2: that he would look for maybe someone cheaper on the 246 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 2: free agent market, a trade possibility, or a stick in 247 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 2: house with baby and Vento's I don't know what are 248 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 2: you thinking. 249 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 5: At first basic could go in any of those directions, 250 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 5: but they don't have. Part of the problem for the 251 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 5: Mets is they don't have a clear first base replacement. 252 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 5: If Alonzo goes elsewhere, you could do v dos, You 253 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 5: could do a Vano's McNeil platoon situation that gets floated sometimes. 254 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 5: Bret Batty has dabbled at first base and actually had 255 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 5: a pretty solid season in twenty twenty five. The first 256 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 5: base market doesn't have a ton peter A. Lonzo is 257 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 5: clearly the best one out there. Josh Naylor's off the 258 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 5: market now, so you don't even have him as a backup. 259 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 3: So you know, that's part of the calculus for the Mets. 260 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 5: If not Pete Alonzo, than who And if not Pete Alonzo, 261 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 5: do they spend big on another position player, Whether that's 262 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 5: Cody Bellinger stealing from the Yankees, Alex Bregman take him 263 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 5: from the Red Sox. There are a lot of tentacles 264 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 5: and ripple effects of that potential move. 265 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like, as we've seen the Bellingser connection, 266 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 2: I wonder if they're looking for a bit more. 267 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 4: Versatility there where it can. And he's talked about this 268 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 4: as well. 269 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 2: He said at the end of season pressory, he wants 270 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 2: guys that have that versatility because it makes it easier, 271 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 2: you know, for Mendoza to manage the game. Right, So 272 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 2: that's what Cora likes as well. So it'll be interesting 273 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 2: to see what direction the Mets going. But I got 274 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 2: let's say, you know, for the Red Sox. Of course, 275 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 2: this is a Red Sox show where let's say the 276 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:10,239 Speaker 2: Red Sox Alonso either goes back to the Mets, goes elsewhere. 277 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 2: We've been hearing about Kyle Schwarber a lot. Yeah, and 278 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 2: there's another team that you definitely got a front row 279 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 2: seat to a lot, the Philadelphia Phillies. And let's say, 280 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 2: you know, Schwarber, maybe I don't know, doesn't end up 281 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 2: going to the Phillies. Have you heard or you know, 282 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 2: based off of what you're feeling out there. Do you 283 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 2: think Schworber could be a prime target for the Red 284 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 2: Sox over say, Pete Alonzo. 285 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 5: I'm not so sure it would be over Pee Alonzo, 286 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 5: but I do know I'm very confident in saying that 287 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 5: if they do land on Kyle Schwarber, perfectly good addition, 288 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 5: a great addition. In fact, we know Alex core is 289 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 5: a big fan. Alex kra does not make an effort 290 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 5: to hide how much he enjoyed Kyle Schwarber in twenty 291 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 5: twenty one and how much he continues to appreciate him 292 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 5: as a player in person. So if you ask the 293 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 5: manager if you'll let the manager handout contracts, I think 294 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 5: it would be a no brainer. So, yeah, there's your 295 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 5: forty home runs a year, your one hundred and ten, 296 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 5: one hundred and twenty RBIs a year. That's the kind 297 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 5: of big bat, just like Peter Alonzo that Breslo described, 298 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 5: the kind of bat the other team needs to plan around, 299 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 5: which has, as Breslo said, a compounding effect on the 300 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 5: rest of the roster. That said, you know, would you 301 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 5: rather have player A or player B. Peter Alonzo is 302 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 5: a right hander. Schwarber or lefty. Peter Alonzo a couple 303 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 5: of years younger, in theory, will hold up at his 304 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 5: career rates a little bit while longer and peter A. 305 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 5: Lonzo plays for his base and is open to dhing sum, 306 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 5: whereas Schwerber at this point is exclusively a DH and 307 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 5: would really really clog you up there. There would be 308 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 5: no you know, there'd be no giving Bregman, Roman Anthony 309 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 5: et cetera DH days because you're going to want Kyle 310 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 5: Schwarber in there for pretty much one sixty two. So 311 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 5: there are pros and cons to each no answers, But 312 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 5: if you're looking at it on paper, peter A Lonzo 313 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 5: makes more sense. 314 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree. 315 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 2: I think like you said, either way, it's like chocolate vanilla, 316 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 2: both are good. Right With Alonso, it's like, because you 317 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 2: think about the Casas factor as well. I mean, obviously 318 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 2: you're not basing your off season off of Cassus. You 319 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 2: kind of just let him come back when he's ready. 320 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 2: But that's kind of one of the advantages of having 321 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 2: Alonzo there. He can just be at first and then 322 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 2: when Cassas is ready and you don't even have to 323 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 2: rush him back at that point, he just comes right 324 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 2: back in so I think either way it works. 325 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 4: So we'll see what happens. 326 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 6: Holiday shopping season is here and we have you covered 327 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 6: from head to toe. 328 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 4: Let's take to talk about an area that's not quite 329 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 4: close to the toes. Let's get crazy with this holiday season. Yeah, 330 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 4: that's me Undies I'm spinning around, but the holiday season. 331 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 4: Now you can get me Undi's with some holiday prints 332 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 4: on them. 333 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 6: That's right, ridiculously soft fabric holiday print matching holiday prints 334 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 6: with your special person. Or you can coordinate pjs for 335 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 6: the family photo. And right now you can get up 336 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 6: to fifty percent off with the code foul. We rock 337 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 6: me Undies. You should too. We're talking over thirty million 338 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 6: pairs sold. Knock out all your holiday gifting needs today 339 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 6: with me undies. To get exclusive holiday deals up to 340 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 6: yep I said it, fifty percent off, go to meundies 341 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,640 Speaker 6: dot com slash foul and enter promo code foul. That's 342 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 6: m e U N d I e s dot com 343 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,360 Speaker 6: slash f o U L promo code foul for up 344 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 6: to fifty percent off. 345 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 2: But one other need for the Red Sox this offseason 346 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 2: is a number two behind Garret Crochet. Then these are 347 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 2: the big These are the two biggest needs for the 348 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 2: Red Sox. And I keep thinking back to my talk 349 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 2: with Sam Kennedy last week when he joined the show. 350 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 2: He you gotta kind of listen to what they say, 351 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 2: and I think they they will give you little tidbits. 352 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 4: You just got to listen for it. 353 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 2: I know people like to say, oh, they're just saying 354 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 2: a lot of words. 355 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 4: I think you can just listen. 356 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 2: And one thing that Kennedy said was he hopes to 357 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 2: see more trades this offseason. That seems to be a 358 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 2: good direction for the Red Sox to go for a 359 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 2: starting pitcher behind Garrett Crochet. You know, based off of 360 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 2: your feeling, what you've been here and who you've been 361 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 2: talking to, what direction do you think is more likely 362 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 2: for the Red Sox to go after that number two trade? 363 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 2: Or maybe they could pivot to the free agent market. 364 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 5: I suspect it will be trade between there are two 365 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 5: big objectives at a big picture, at a big bat, 366 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 5: one of them probably will be via trade. And of 367 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 5: those two, I think you look at the player the 368 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 5: markets for both, and the free agent hitters are better 369 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 5: fits than the free agent pitchers. Franbervaldez really good, Maybe underrated, 370 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 5: but the vibes are weird after he's screwed with his 371 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 5: catch near the end of the season, So I don't 372 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 5: know what to do with that, to be honest, Dylan Cees, 373 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 5: Dylan sees his stuff is amazing. Okay, Ragas Suarez, I 374 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 5: really enjoyed watching in Philly through the years. But are 375 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 5: you going to give him a nine figure contract? 376 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 3: I don't know. And then you look at the. 377 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 5: Potentially available starting pitchers Joe Ryan and Pablo Lopez, Sandy Alcontra, 378 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 5: Jared Jones on the Pirates. Who's to say, right, the 379 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 5: Royals are a fit for a trade, fit for the 380 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 5: Red Sox. So you go down the list. Sonny Gray, 381 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 5: maybe if you like him as the number two, Cardinals 382 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 5: would be happy to trade him. So I like the 383 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 5: fit on the picture to the trademarket better for the 384 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 5: starting pitcher. But as always, that's on paper. That's in 385 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 5: mid November. When the Red Sox and others get into 386 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 5: the weeds, you see how things shake out and maybe 387 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,959 Speaker 5: it's reversed, maybe both of free agents and you're spending 388 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:54,919 Speaker 5: really big, so you know, I suspect it'll be trade, 389 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 5: but I you have to you have to see how 390 00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 5: it chicks out. 391 00:19:58,960 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 4: Yeah. 392 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 2: The one thing I keep thinking back to this past week, 393 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 2: we've gotten some reports that will not even reports. You know, 394 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 2: Derek Falvey on the Twins, he's talked out loud, saying, yeah, 395 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 2: we kind of want to build around Joe Ryan and 396 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 2: Pablo Lopez. We kind of like the the young guys 397 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 2: we have on the team. 398 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 4: We want to add to this team. 399 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 2: And you know, the Brewers as well, they're saying, hey, 400 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 2: we like Freddy Pearl, so for sure one year, right, 401 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 2: you know, But you know, I kind of wonder do 402 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 2: you feel like when you saw those reports and you 403 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 2: saw them talking, were you feeling more posturing going on? 404 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 2: Were you feeling more playing some hardball or do you 405 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 2: feel like they maybe the Red Sox missed their chance 406 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 2: on Joe Ryan and maybe they got to go another direction. 407 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 3: I think both can be true. 408 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 5: I do think in early to mid November, even beyond, 409 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 5: well beyond that, that's posturing. That is Derek Falvey, Matt Arnold, 410 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 5: bench Errington, Peter Bendix, pick your executive of choice. 411 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 3: That's them saying pay up. 412 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 5: If you want the really good picture, it's gonna cost you, 413 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 5: which is fine, you know, that's their prerogative, and all 414 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 5: those pictures are good pictures and will cost a pretty 415 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 5: prospect penny so to speak, you know. And I asked 416 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 5: Matt Arnold last week about Freddy Paralta in the starting 417 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 5: Pitcher trademark, and he said he gets you know, he 418 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 5: gets hit on Peralta all the time, and as he 419 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 5: should because Parralt is really good. 420 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 3: But they're not just going to give him away. 421 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,199 Speaker 5: And that is especially true, as you know, when the 422 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 5: picture is not a pending free agent and comes with 423 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 5: multiple years, as is the case with Joe Ryan, Pablo Lopez. 424 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 5: Sandy al Contra, I actually love the Pablo Lopez idea. 425 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 5: I'm going back to the trade deadline when the Red 426 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 5: Sox were in Minnesota. People were talking about Joe Ryan, 427 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 5: and rightfully so, because he's awesome. But Pablo Lopez man, 428 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 5: when he's healthy, he's he's really good, and he's under 429 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:52,719 Speaker 5: contract for several more years. 430 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 3: Not that expensive. 431 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 5: I think it's like twenty in change per year, twenty 432 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 5: million in change, so. 433 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 3: I suspect there's some room to work with there. 434 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 5: The problem with the Twins in particular as a potential 435 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 5: trade partner is if the Red Sox want to use, 436 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 5: say an outfielder as the trade ship, the primary trade trip, 437 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,959 Speaker 5: a trade chip for a pitcher. If the Twins are 438 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 5: trading Peralta or Ryan or Lopez, I don't know that 439 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 5: they want a big leaguer in Jared during or will 440 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 5: you or bray you right, because they're probably tearing it down. 441 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 5: So there's some you know, there's some stuff to figure 442 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 5: out there. But Craig Breslo, you know it won't it 443 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 5: won't be as much of a layup of a trade 444 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 5: as Garrett Crochet was last year because crishe was getting 445 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 5: traded somewhere, and there's not that obvious, obvious guy this offseason. 446 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 5: Just a bunch of possibilities, really good possibilities. 447 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree. 448 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 2: I was just talking about that on the last episode, saying, like, 449 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 2: you know, Crochet, he was gone, like he was getting moved. 450 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 2: So but this time the Twins, I mean, they're they're 451 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 2: playing the game smart. I mean, that's so this is 452 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,359 Speaker 2: what they should be saying in my opinion. So it's 453 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 2: gonna be interesting. And I'm glad you brought up Jared 454 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 2: Duram right there. That'll be our last topic of the 455 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 2: night here. What a censor are you getting right now 456 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 2: with you know, we keep hearing the word surplus. I 457 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 2: think I might go crazy if I hear the word 458 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 2: surplus one more time. But we're getting a lot of 459 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,719 Speaker 2: you know, Jared Duran, he definitely looks like he's going 460 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 2: to be on the move or maybe will you or 461 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 2: a bra you, you know whatever, he's Sadam Raphaeli, Chris Catillo. 462 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 2: He's brought him up as a possible candidate. Kind of 463 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 2: what is your feeling right now on that trade market 464 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 2: with moving one of those outfielders. 465 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 3: I think one needs to go. 466 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 4: Yeah. 467 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 5: Coreg Brezlo said last week that, hey, three outfield spots 468 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 5: in the DH spot which is mostly open, they can 469 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 5: make it work, which is also what they said last 470 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 5: June July going into the trade deadline, and that proved true. 471 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 5: They made it work for a little while, and the 472 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 5: injuries happened and they ended up having frankly not enough 473 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 5: outfielders for a while there. So that worked in a 474 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 5: short term way. When you're trying to build a roster 475 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 5: for a full season, you don't want to go in 476 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 5: with that with four outfielders for three spots, especially when 477 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 5: you're frankly trying to add a dh type of guy 478 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 5: to begin with, so I don't. 479 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 3: Buy that from Craig Breslo last week. 480 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 5: And then if you look at the outfielders, I think 481 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 5: Jared Durant is the most likely to go. That doesn't 482 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 5: mean he is guaranteed to go, but if you look 483 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 5: at the options right, Roman Anthony clearly is not going anywhere. 484 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 5: Said on Rafaela could be had if a team wants 485 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 5: to really value but he's got a great contract that 486 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 5: he's so good at defense. It would take it would 487 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 5: take a lot for me to give up Rafaela if 488 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 5: it were up to me, which clearly it's not. 489 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 3: I work for the Boston Globe, not the Red Sox. 490 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 5: Will your bray you two time Gold Glover in two seasons, 491 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 5: He's got thirty home run potential. Alex core loves him, 492 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 5: so again, he could be had if a team wants 493 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 5: him and is willing to pay the appropriate price, but 494 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 5: it doesn't seem most likely. And then there's Aaron duran 495 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 5: who was his best position to center field, and he's 496 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 5: not going to play center field on this team, So 497 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 5: what are you going to do? 498 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 3: Probably traded. He's a great player, he's. 499 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 5: At his best He's an absolute dynamo, a five tool guy, 500 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 5: so much fun to watch. 501 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 3: But the roster fit is weird now. 502 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree. I think, you know, Duran is 503 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 2: definitely a dynamic player. 504 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:22,679 Speaker 4: You know. 505 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 2: Sure, people they look at the fact that his numbers 506 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 2: took a bit of a dip compared to twenty twenty four, 507 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 2: but he was still a four wins above replacement player. 508 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 4: He was very valuable. 509 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, fifth of the major leagues and doubles I believe, 510 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 2: seconding triples, second or third, a lot of speed. He's 511 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 2: going to bring you a lot to the table. But 512 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,679 Speaker 2: when you look at it, I think, will you're the 513 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 2: defense out and right field, especially at Famway Park, it's 514 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 2: so valuable sata'm Raphael. That up the middle defense that 515 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 2: he gives you, You're not going to see that very often. 516 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 4: Roman. 517 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 2: He's underrated defensively, I think I think people focus on 518 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 2: you know, you start seeing some comparisons to even Ted 519 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 2: Williams at one point last year, he's putting up similar 520 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 2: things to what Ted Williams. 521 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 4: Was doing back then. 522 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you kind of just look at, you know, 523 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 2: for what the Red Sox need right now, it seems 524 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 2: like those three seem to be the better options at 525 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 2: this point. Not anything against Ran, but it's kind of 526 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 2: odd man out kind of a thing. And also with Duran, 527 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,679 Speaker 2: he has great value. He can definitely bring back something. 528 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 2: So we'll see what ends up happening. But I got 529 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 2: to ask you this before we do get out of here. 530 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 2: I'm going to put you on the spot. We're gonna 531 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 2: do a little something fun. If you were to give 532 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 2: me one prediction for the Red Sox, this offset something 533 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 2: that you're feeling right now. You're feeling great about you 534 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 2: based off of people that you know, the conversations that 535 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 2: you've had, feelings that you've got. If you're to give 536 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 2: me one prediction for the offseason this year, what would 537 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 2: you do? 538 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 5: I'm thinking a lot about a starting pitcher we have 539 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 5: not mentioned here whole reagans of the Royals. 540 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 3: Ooh ooh, three years of team patrol left. 541 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 5: The price would be major, and the Royals are not 542 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 5: particularly inclined to trade him. 543 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 3: They have not ruled it out altogether. So you gotta try. 544 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 5: You gotta try make the call, start the conversation, say 545 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 5: Darren Duran, and then what and then what might hurt? 546 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 5: But he's really good and I could think he could 547 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 5: be the one b that the Red Sox are looking for. 548 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 4: I love that. 549 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 2: It's funny because you know, I've been on records. I'm 550 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 2: seeing people out there saying like, oh, Vinnie pas Quintino. 551 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 2: I'm like, well, why would you do Durand for Vinnie? 552 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 2: Because that's like a lateral move as they're. 553 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 4: Taking out of their line. 554 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 2: I'm thinking, if you're the Royals, you got to trade 555 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 2: like the Red Sox from a surplus, and I feel 556 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 2: like that could line up. Cole Reagan's is just so good. 557 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,439 Speaker 2: I just wonder if the Royals would do it. But 558 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 2: every offseason we get shocked with something. There's something we 559 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 2: didn't see. No one saw Carlos Korea going back to 560 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,639 Speaker 2: the Astros at the trade deadline, Like I mean, something 561 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 2: always happens that you're not expecting. 562 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 4: Could that be the move? 563 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 2: I think that's a that's a good prediction, a nice 564 00:27:58,680 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 2: bold prediction. 565 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 4: I like that. So, yeah, if you say Peter long 566 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 4: So I would have been good with that too. 567 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 5: I've been thinking about it a lot, and hopefully now 568 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 5: I'm dragging some people down with me because I can't 569 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 5: get it off my mind. 570 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 2: The last couple of days I'll take it. I'll you 571 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,439 Speaker 2: can drag me, that'll be good. But everybody, we're going 572 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 2: to wrap this up right here. I want to thank 573 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 2: you for coming on, my friend. Let the viewers at 574 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 2: home know where can they find you? Social media's so 575 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:22,199 Speaker 2: let them know. 576 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 5: Sure, all the good stuff is at Boston Globe dot 577 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 5: com slash red Sox and then I'm on Twitter at 578 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 5: timb Healey, t I M b as and boy h 579 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 5: e A L e y. 580 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 3: There you go, all right, the two best spots. 581 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 4: Sounds good to me. Well, thank you so much, my friend. 582 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 4: Do appreciate it. 583 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 2: Everyone in the way out if you can hit the 584 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 2: like button, subscribe if you're new, and we'll talk to 585 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 2: you next time.