WEBVTT - Decisions, Drugs, and Divorce 0:00:03.400 --> 0:00:12.440 With Jenny Garth and Tori Spelling. Hello, ladies, what why 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:15.560 do you Why is your skin so perfect? Jenny? Because 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:20.200 I gotta light on me. Wait you guys, you know 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:23.040 I just had a birthday, right yeah, well yeah, thank 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:24.919 you for your birthday, which is, by the way, I 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:29.960 loved him, both of you. Um. I my mom, just 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:35.440 my mom just referenced me as a mid century model. 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:39.680 Oh no, just literally an hour ago in the kitchen 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:46.120 she said, you're like a mid century modern. We all 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:49.560 three of us are not models. Mid century modern. Yeah, 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.800 you know the house like you're a mid century modern. 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:55.800 Oh I thought at first you said a mid century model. 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:01.160 That too, basically saying you know, I'm from the mid century. 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:04.800 It's like the suburb mid century. Yeah. I'm not mad 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:08.480 at that. Not. I do sometimes think about the fact that, like, 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:12.440 how like if this is all we've got left, it 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:18.080 went so fast, there's so much more modern then, Like 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:21.400 the house isn't gonna stay and put It's gonna need maintenance. 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:25.360 At some point. We're gonna kind to clean out your gutter. Oh, 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:29.000 I clean away, because then I will be a beautiful 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:31.679 specimen and people will be so excited to see me again. 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:33.840 If I'm a mid century Everyone loved the mid Center. 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:37.679 And then we just patch you up. You like our 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:44.720 favorite movie to clean out? What all? We're good. We're 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:47.920 good for another ten, I think. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:52.440 we got the Oh my gosh. I'm happy to see 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:54.280 you guys. I'm happy I made it through another year 0:01:54.320 --> 0:02:01.920 to be here with you. Wow. Um, So did you 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:05.400 have a drink on your birthday? I'm out of town, 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:07.400 so I wasn't with her. You weren't with me. We 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:10.800 haven't celebrated yet, but I'm making you celebrate with me 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:16.160 when you get past a pie. I had one strawberry 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:20.919 basil margharita, which was a lish at Cafe Hamana and Malibu. Oh, 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:26.600 I love that place. Cindy and Randy, No, I didn't 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:31.240 see them, they weren't there. The gerbs um and then 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:36.720 at night I had some wine. We played poker and 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:40.640 I had some wine. I'm impressed with you. That's cute. 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:44.800 I didn't like it. I had to play poker. She's good. 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:48.600 Oh yeah, no way, you guys. I never win at 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:54.200 my home poker games. I won. You look real money? Yeah, 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:56.560 it's like a twenty dollars buy in. Oh my god. 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:02.120 Who I think I walked away with seventy eight dollars. 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:06.440 I am. She never ceases to amaze you. Right, there's 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:10.520 just things you're like keep because we've been to Vegas 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:13.639 together and we didn't go play poker. That's a commitment. 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:17.280 When you go to Vegas sitting sitting down at a 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:19.480 bound as a commitment. Nobody wants to do that with you. 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:21.400 So I'd never make people do that with me. I 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:23.320 would do it. I would play blackjack with you. Do 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:26.359 you play blackjack? No, that's more you don't. Don't you 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:31.840 play jack? Tory will hit that. Yeah, my mind doesn't 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:33.560 work that fast. I need to sit there and use 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:37.680 my great poker face that I use pretty much every 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:41.760 day in my life, This look that nobody knows what's 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:44.440 going on in here, because quite often I don't know 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:48.120 what's going on in here. So you're saying it works 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:51.360 to your advantage. This is a good poker face. I 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:54.080 want thought on my gravestone. You guys, she had a 0:03:54.080 --> 0:03:57.960 good poker face. It's really true, Tori. You don't is 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:08.200 Tori's berry. Every means everything can't hide a thing. That's 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:11.280 why we're you. That's what I said whenever anyone asked 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:13.320 me about like there was like you know them, you 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:15.240 know them in real life, and I'm like, yeah, they 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:22.960 are opposites. Opposites but not. Okay, wait, let's talk about 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:27.640 the show, Season four, episode nineteen the labors. Should we 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:31.120 mention last week just for a moment? Wait, how are you? 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:35.680 We can't just skip because the fans, the fans have spoken, okay, 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:41.799 rewind rewind about so we had we had Peppergate pepper Gate. 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:45.719 I was like, wait, Gate's not his last name, pepper Gate, 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:48.159 a little bit of a pepper Gate, Like, how do 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:57.559 you feel? So I processed it. I cried a lot, 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:01.160 and and then I tried to rational is it we're 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:05.200 talking about, you guys, the whole story that we were 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:09.080 told about something once the directors said about they missed it. 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:12.560 Just go back and listen. Go back. It's a good 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:15.520 one to go back and listen. Yea. And my favorite 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:18.960 part is the kind of behind the scenes afterwards where 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:21.960 I'm still upset about it and just looking at your 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:25.200 face because I know you so well. You're just like 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:28.080 I could tell you want to so like dive through 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:30.560 that screen and hug me and nurture me or kick 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:34.040 somebody's ass for me, and it just made me love 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:37.320 our friendship even more. But listen to it. It's a 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:46.359 wild episode. But we're still in talks to get that 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:49.240 director on because we just want to hear. I have 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:54.960 had email conversations with the director who says this didn't happen, 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:59.680 and fingers crossed. He's thinking about coming on our podcast 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:02.520 and telling his version, So let's hope that happens. So 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:07.200 stay tuned, Stay tuned. Thirty years is a long time 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:11.000 to remember something exactly. I will say that, like, I 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:17.360 don't know that anybody is. It's like your perception changes 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:20.680 in your course. I think it's exactly right, and maybe 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:24.600 it isn't. I mean, yeah, and everybody has their own perspective, 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:31.479 so who knows. But we'll see. We'll see, okay, and 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:39.520 I will kick his ass if it happened. M okay. 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:44.279 Back to the show, Season four, episode nineteen, Labors of 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:49.080 Love aired February second, nineteen ninety four. Synopsis. David dives 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:52.960 deeper into his addiction. Donna isn't good at tough love. 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:56.440 Brandon feels slighted when Dylan comes to the rescue, Andrea 0:06:56.520 --> 0:07:00.880 makes a big decision and Lucinda is looking for a 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:06.440 friend with benefits. I love the way this show opened. 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:10.160 I felt I was like, uh, just that big wide 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:12.800 shot of seeing the street with all those nineties cars. 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:14.960 Very cool. It was the first, like one of the 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:17.640 first times where you're like, definitely this show was in 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.840 the nineties, like you couldn't deny it, you know, and 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:25.840 Beverly Hills in Beverly Hills, that is Beverly Hills. Loved 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:29.680 that opening. Good job director Jefferson Kibby. Was this the 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:33.880 first episode Jefferson Kibby directed, He went He went on 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.760 to be kind of one of our buddy buddy directors 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:39.240 as well. He I don't know, I feel like he's 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:44.160 done something else, but I afore this and writers Roseanne 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:48.760 Welsh and Christine Pettit. We know Christine Pettit, but Roseanne Welch, 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:55.040 Raquel Welch's daughter. Could it be sounds like Roseanne Roquel 0:07:56.000 --> 0:08:02.000 my dad was friends with shook it comment Anyway, this 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:06.680 episode two was strife with you know, big heavy topics 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:12.440 to abortion and uh what was the other one? Well, 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:16.600 the business and all the business decisions with the heart attack, 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:23.200 the money, the ore. Pretty heavy episode. Wow, and have 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:28.400 to say, just watching this whole topic of um, Kelly 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:32.000 and Andrea going to the abortion, going to the doctor 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:34.760 getting like lining her up to get an abortion, all 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:39.400 the discussion of it just made me so honestly sick 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:45.680 to my stomach to know that it's hard to even 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:50.439 say this that in twenty twenty three, watching the show 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:54.040 back thirty some years later, women don't have the fucking 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:57.480 right yes to do what they want with their own bodies, 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:01.439 and it was just so upsetting and disturbing to me. 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:06.320 It really was. I'm glad you said that because I 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:11.040 felt the same way, like, wow, this really Even on 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:15.640 nine two one zero, they they had a topic, a 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:18.480 sensitive topic, and they show both sides of it, and 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:24.080 I don't know, I just really got me riled up. Yeah. 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:26.440 It was very um, I don't know what the word 0:09:26.559 --> 0:09:30.559 is to to like, it's almost surreal because you're watching 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:35.640 the show from thirty years ago. Yeah, but the storyline 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:38.160 is almost more I almost like I'm getting like, look 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:41.720 at my I'm like chills because the storyline is more 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:46.400 important today, yeah than thirty years ago. It was very 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:49.240 out of body for me because it was like my 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:52.360 mind was going, I'm watching the show I don't know 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:55.760 what date it is, basically right, and it's like happening 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:58.800 to one of the one of the you know, characters 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:02.160 on a TV show, one one little character, you know. 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:05.200 But to think that it's not happening to one little character, 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:10.080 like that's affecting every woman in our country and right, well, 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:13.440 he might be turning one hundred years old this uh, 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:16.680 this year, my dad if he was with us, really, 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:19.760 but look at him, still has his finger on the 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:27.960 pulse of relevancy unfortunately. Yeah, and humans so more so 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:31.640 now than them. Yeah, and that crazy. They did it 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:34.560 well in this episode. I'm glad two females wrote it. 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:36.800 I feel like they had to. They had to do 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:41.600 that point. Yeah, and they didn't sugarcoat it or shy 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:45.720 away from digging into it. They really went for it 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:54.000 with all the details, like the discussions and the yeah 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:58.720 and the line like no, this can't happen today because 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:03.920 basically saying we're too busy. You're not the only one 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:09.720 in this situation. It was very um powerful without being preachy. Hmm. 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:14.960 It just felt it just felt eerie kind of. But 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:19.840 Kelly Taylor's really getting involved in people's business. She's really 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:22.320 sticking her nose in there. I mean, it's nice she's 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:24.320 helping Andrea. But then she goes home and kicks David 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:29.559 out of the apartment, and I thought that was good too. 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:34.560 She's You've been an advocate the last few episodes for 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:39.840 What's right? I know, yeah, what do you? What do 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.600 you guys think that Donna ran out with the wallet? 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:48.839 Oh Donna, I'm still I tell you not to give 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:54.239 him money. Yeah, sure did. And he was so sketchy 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:56.800 in that scene, and like you could see instantly that 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:59.720 he was going to take that money, just like immediately 0:11:59.800 --> 0:12:02.480 to get his fixed. And Donna didn't see it. She 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:08.040 just loves him time blinded by love. You're becoming an enabler. 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:10.719 I was like this in real life with that bad boyfriend. 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:16.200 It's just two art imitating life, life imitating art. It 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:18.440 was hard for me to watch that scene because knowing 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:21.920 like I wish I could have gone back because the wallet, 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:25.920 the rent mine were much bigger stakes, like when I 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:28.040 gave him my brand new Porsche that he talked me 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:31.160 into buying. When I gave him twenty five thousand dollars 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:33.040 because he lost it at a poker game, and I 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:35.120 had to be he woke me up, and he's playing 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:38.280 with huge Hollywood producers, like took all my money, took 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:43.760 everything the Enabler timestake. So this triggers you, Yeah, can 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:48.640 you tell? Wow? I was like storyline. Then I realized 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:50.719 you're talking about real life. Oh my god. Yeah, no, 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:58.040 she's talking about real life people. Wow. Yeah, Enabler. This 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:03.080 episode was gnarly. That rug scene at the end was 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:06.880 very gnarly. I'm a needle. I'm surprised they were able 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:11.800 to show that on needles. I don't know. She just 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:15.600 does this, Amy does this every time. Oh no, I met. 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:19.000 Why is the drugs? Why are they going to need im? 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:22.080 Because because that's what you were once. You can't get 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:25.480 it high from snorting it or ingesting it, you start 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:29.280 shooting it. That's what happens. That's I don't know about 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:33.240 drugs like that. That's the evolution. Yeah, because I watched 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:36.320 this episode of nine or two and oh I learned right, dang. 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.520 And the guy, the guy that's on there was a 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:43.400 friend of all of ours, like we all. I couldn't 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:48.720 remember his name, bo Jesse Deeler guy. Was it Jesse? 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:53.120 That sounds right? Drug Jesse Christopher Bo Jesse Christopher So 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:56.880 he was also an actor, really hot actor, but he 0:13:57.040 --> 0:14:02.480 also would run clubs in La like promoter and did 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:05.640 he do Saturday night fevers? That ring a bell here 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:09.520 the club does not line up if he and Brian 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:15.679 were friends the club the movie The club in Hollywood. 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:20.720 It's about the right time Saturday night fever. But Brian 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:24.520 and him might have run a club together promoted called 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:34.359 Oh I'm blanking, I don't know whoa he was Alexa. 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:39.000 He was the reckless younger brother of Patrick Swayze in 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:45.200 Point Break. Yeah, he was a hottie, but he was 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:48.880 kind of a little bit of a little dark in 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:51.480 real life. We were like, oh wow, yeah, he's he's 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:56.280 the promoter of that club, Like boy, that's that's his 0:14:56.400 --> 0:15:01.200 first name? Bo Jesse. Yeah wait you god, literally, how 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:03.920 do we find this guy? Oh my god? Find him? 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:09.000 He was so hot under Brian still friends with him. Yeah. 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:13.960 That scene though, was really intense. Oh and I felt 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:16.320 like this is the first time they've gone that dark 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:21.880 on the show, like that dark into drug abuse. And 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:24.680 I mean I was kind of glad that they did 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:27.600 to scare kids, because it scared me just watching it. 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:43.120 Something that stands out to me in this episode is 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:47.280 the relationship between Andrea and Kelly. We haven't seen that 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:51.160 so much. Yeah, we've seen like little sprinklings of it. 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:55.800 I think we've established that they but that Kelly is 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:58.880 somebody that Andrea goes to in situation. But Andrea goes 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:01.520 to Donna too. I'm never really seen her go to Brenda. 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:05.720 But now it makes sense because Kelly's gotten I got 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:09.240 a lot more experience with real life tough issues, and 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:12.320 this is one of the biggest tough issues that a 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:14.880 young girl could probably face. So it makes sense that 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:17.080 she would go to somebody like this character to like 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:19.960 have her hold her hand through it. And I thought 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:22.920 it was so sweet when the doctor called her into 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:25.960 the office and she said, would you come with me? 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:29.240 I thought that was really touching. You know what stands 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:33.240 out to me about Kelly. She's very loyal. She told 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:36.960 no one. This was not like something she went back 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:41.280 and you know, a group of girls like that, you 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:43.080 might say, oh, don't I have to tell you something, 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:46.080 but you can't tell, you know, Like, she really just 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:52.000 stayed loyal and she's like a she's a very good friend. 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:55.880 And I feel the same thing about the way she's 0:16:55.920 --> 0:17:00.119 handling the David situation. Yeah, you don't play with Kelly. 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:08.720 You know, she's pretty straightforward. But I mean, I think 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:11.600 that the way she's handling the David situation, the drug use, 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.959 think is the way you should handle it. But it 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:19.879 does seem a little harsh, a little just it seems 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:22.760 like it's colored a little bit by Kelly's experiences from 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:25.720 her mom in the past, So that makes it come 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.480 off as harsh to David because it's the first time 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:30.880 she's dealing with it with David. But I guess that's 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:36.600 the right way to go about it. Kind of tough love. Yeah, 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:41.720 the juxtaposition between Domina and Kelly is like enabler tough love. 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:45.440 It's like, yeah, I'm not sure what they're supposed to do. 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:49.359 This guy is got drugs in their home, I know, 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:51.199 and then he goes to work to get more. And 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:56.680 then the boss, the DJ guy, what's his name, Howard 0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:02.000 Howard Howard fires him and he's the one that got 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:07.520 him hooked on the drug. Well good, he can handle 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:10.480 his drugs. He couldn't. He's out of there. Sorry, pal, 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:14.360 I don't know. I was watching so much Kelly face 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:17.680 this time. This episode there was just so many Kelly faces. 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:21.320 I was like, the only thing I really wanted was 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:25.760 somebody to give that girl some contour because she's so 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:31.600 freaking white and like moon face, like so white. I 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:33.520 just wanted to cut the cheek bones just a little. 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:38.000 Ah see, it is so wrong. I literally was like, 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:42.040 I loved her and she's so beautiful. Yeah, I'm like 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:46.480 a contour tour on her? Isn't that interesting? Contour not 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:51.560 a thing? Then? Now now you can't live without it? Right? 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:54.639 So funny that you're saying that because I actually wrote 0:18:54.640 --> 0:19:01.160 in my notes, great makeup on this show, because to me, 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:07.880 everybody looks very natural. The boys, I liked it. Everybody 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:10.359 looked real good point. Yes, there was a lot of 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:14.240 close up shots in this episode. I literally wrote in 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:20.680 my notes, great makeup. Makeup is so my literally wrote down, 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:24.440 give that girl some contour. I think too, when you're 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:26.640 watching it so different because you're watching your cells where 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:31.399 I'm just like completely sucked into these the whole thing, Like, 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:33.119 I don't know what you're supposed to do about David. 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:39.120 He's a total train wreck, and Donna's apologizing all the time. 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:43.359 I'm sorry. Oh, it's painful to watch and he's like 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:49.280 fiending so hard. He's like, Tori, what's going through your 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:55.720 mind when you're watching Donna? The forty nine year old 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:58.960 me is like, she's pathetic, but I regrets to that 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:01.359 in moments in my life anyway. It's hard you go 0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:05.680 back to your old ways. She's pathetic, she's in love. 0:20:05.840 --> 0:20:10.280 She has no one to guide her. I think like 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:13.080 her parents, she doesn't have a great mother figure example, 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:15.840 not that she would ever tell her mother, but there's 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:18.520 no there's no one strong. I mean, the strongest person 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:21.480 in her life is Kelly, you know. And Kelly's trying 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:23.160 to handle it at the same time the best way 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:26.399 she knows how to handle it. So it's it's a 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:30.119 very good point. It's so interesting, like when you just 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:33.760 said that before, how you said sometimes at forty nine 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:35.680 and I hate that you can still say forty nine. 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:38.439 By the way, not for long, my friend. You know 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:43.360 it's coming up the big five. Oh. It's so interesting 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:48.160 because you say you regress back to that same quality 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:50.680 issue in your real life, because I am the same 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:53.159 way as Kelly is in my real life. Like I'm 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:57.520 very straightforward, I'm very like tough. I can be very 0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:00.399 tough love. I can be very brass tacks about things, 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:05.439 and I have to work on that personally because it 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:07.280 doesn't there's a time and a place for that, and 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:11.040 sometimes it can be abrasive, and sometimes people don't. People 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:14.080 just don't like it. But you're saying that you have 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:17.520 the same challenges, Like you can go into your life 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:19.600 where you say sorry for things that you're not sorry for. 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:27.000 You have no reason to apologize for. Embedded in us 0:21:27.040 --> 0:21:33.600 these characteristics that we are we still have as growing women, 0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:37.919 is wow. Well, the part of me that's in Donna 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:41.320 that I regress back to was always part of me, 0:21:41.480 --> 0:21:45.160 though Donna just developed her every week, so she came 0:21:45.200 --> 0:21:48.879 out more. I don't know if that was because I 0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:50.760 didn't know you before, Kelly, So I don't know if 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:54.520 that any of those traits were a part of Jenny's 0:21:54.560 --> 0:21:59.880 personality and it came out more. Really, I sneezed yes 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:03.280 day and apologize and I even stopped and I was like, 0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:05.639 I look around, like, what the hell? And that's so 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:10.000 fascinating to me because I'm thinking about this this director 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:13.600 that were we were talking about earlier, and this incident 0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:16.680 that may or may not have happened. I literally can 0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:20.280 see you guys talking to him, with Jenny being Kelly 0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:23.800 and Tori being Donna, and Tori saying, oh, I'm sorry 0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:27.600 for something, you know what I mean, and Jenny being like, no, 0:22:30.080 --> 0:22:32.560 so did what came first? The chicken or the egg? 0:22:33.640 --> 0:22:36.520 Like she's saying the chicken came first, or no, the egg, 0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:40.160 her egg came first? And what about you? I don't 0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:47.280 remember being like as um determined and you know, as 0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:51.800 strong as I as my character Kelly was at that age, 0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:56.040 do you think you became Kelly? I think I in 0:22:56.040 --> 0:23:00.359 a lot of ways, I had to just to survive 0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:03.199 on my own in this business. I didn't have you know, 0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:07.440 tour was lucky enough to have her dad there too. 0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:10.280 She'd been in the like in the industry, she knew 0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:12.439 what was happening. I was. I had no idea what 0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:14.639 I was doing in the industry, and I had nobody 0:23:14.680 --> 0:23:17.480 watching out for me other than Randy, my manager. So 0:23:18.280 --> 0:23:23.879 I feel like I had to Kelly up in life. 0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:28.359 It's fascinating, but I like I like it. I like 0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:32.320 I like just interesting. I like them both. But I 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:35.080 totally see what you're saying, and it's like, you really 0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:38.720 can't have one without the other. I don't know that 0:23:38.760 --> 0:23:42.280 it would have played so well with Kelly being tough 0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:48.760 if Donna wasn't chasing after with the checkbook. No, it's 0:23:48.840 --> 0:23:53.720 literally funny. It's like transferred into even like our business 0:23:53.760 --> 0:23:56.640 relationship as we've gotten old, or like just our dealings 0:23:56.640 --> 0:23:59.679 with all the things that we do together. It's not 0:23:59.760 --> 0:24:03.639 like that extreme, but there's little essence of that aversion 0:24:04.640 --> 0:24:07.720 through vain. It's so fun kind of good cop, bad cop, 0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:10.119 and kind of at the heart of it, like you 0:24:10.160 --> 0:24:12.640 are who you are. You can work on your shit. 0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:17.960 She's not. You work on your ship, but like you 0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:21.720 still are who you are essentially and as funny how 0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:24.960 it does like trickle out. I think it's interesting this 0:24:25.040 --> 0:24:28.080 conversation because you're right, like if I had to describe 0:24:28.119 --> 0:24:31.199 each of you in one word, do it well, No, 0:24:31.320 --> 0:24:36.080 you do have that like, no, you're right about it. 0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:38.399 But then at the same time, I do think Tory 0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:42.719 can be tough. Oh yes, and Jenny is a pile 0:24:42.760 --> 0:24:46.320 of mush, sweetest thing on the planet. Yeah, totally, yes, 0:24:46.520 --> 0:24:52.600 we totally have. That's why it works, you really is. 0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:55.199 It's usually not at the same time that we have 0:24:55.280 --> 0:24:59.520 those qualities. You know what I mean Jen, like, you 0:24:59.520 --> 0:25:01.840 can meet off and I can be like sweet, no, 0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:04.520 no, no no no, but when I get like, no, we're 0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:06.600 doing this business wise, You're like, bud, it is it? 0:25:06.960 --> 0:25:13.080 We usually switch really episode this podcast, like Tory and 0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:15.880 I got in trouble because we were off on our phones, 0:25:16.320 --> 0:25:18.440 you know, and you want to please Jenny. I don't 0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:20.560 want to be like I don't want to mess it up. 0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:24.280 Like so you you both are these people, and I 0:25:24.400 --> 0:25:30.080 understand it in the characters because ultimately they want to 0:25:30.880 --> 0:25:36.840 like David is letting HELLI down, and he's letting Donna down, 0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:39.679 and he doesn't care. Right now, he doesn't care, but 0:25:39.720 --> 0:25:44.239 we'll see. I do think a couple of things. If 0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:46.800 we may switch to Jesse for a second, who I 0:25:47.040 --> 0:25:51.800 really cute? Yes, I saw that he was so cute, 0:25:51.800 --> 0:25:54.000 but it did bother me when he said if you 0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:58.000 go through with this, don't come back here. That was 0:25:58.240 --> 0:26:02.320 kind of gnarly. Yeah, not cool. He was just I think, 0:26:02.480 --> 0:26:05.440 really reeling with all his emotions in that moment because 0:26:05.720 --> 0:26:08.159 he didn't think that that was even on the table 0:26:08.600 --> 0:26:10.840 right for her to have an abortion, and certainly not 0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:13.520 to have an abortion without discussing it with running the 0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:16.960 father of the baby agree and he was in half, 0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:20.440 you have no nothing you could do. You really can't 0:26:20.440 --> 0:26:25.119 do anything. And she wasn't being fair by being like, 0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:28.160 this is all about me. It's like it is about both. 0:26:28.400 --> 0:26:32.240 He really stepped up, but then he says that harsh line. 0:26:32.240 --> 0:26:36.119 But then he comes around. It was complicated as it 0:26:36.160 --> 0:26:39.879 would be as it is. Yeah, now it's a little 0:26:39.880 --> 0:26:42.520 bit with a bow kind of nine o two one zero. Yeah, 0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:45.280 because then they go to the peach pit and not 0:26:45.640 --> 0:26:47.680 they come in and they don't even like move out 0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:51.919 of the doorway. It really bothered me. They just stood 0:26:51.920 --> 0:26:54.240