WEBVTT - Work in Progress: Annaleigh Ashford

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<v Speaker 1>Hi everyone, It's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Hello

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<v Speaker 1>whip smarties. Today we are joined by an actress that

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<v Speaker 1>I absolutely adore. I think she is one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most talented people in my generation. From Broadway to film

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<v Speaker 1>to TV, she is an absolute legend. She earned a

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<v Speaker 1>Primetime Emmy Award nomination for her performance as Irene in

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<v Speaker 1>the Hula limited series Welcome to Chippendale's. She received her

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<v Speaker 1>first Grammy nomination in the category Best Musical Theater Recording

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<v Speaker 1>of Sweeney Todd and like I mentioned one a Tony

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty fifteen. She is so funny, so charming and

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<v Speaker 1>just so wise. And next up she is starring in

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<v Speaker 1>the new series Happy Face, now streaming on Paramount Plus.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a true crime story inspired by the true

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<v Speaker 1>life story of Melissa G. Moore, a young woman who

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<v Speaker 1>discovered that her beloved father was actually the prolific serial

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<v Speaker 1>killer known as Happy Face. As an adult, she changed

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<v Speaker 1>her name and guarded her secret, but eventually decided to

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<v Speaker 1>start working in advocacy, supporting victims who have experience with

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of crime. She's absolutely incredible, and today I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to ask Annalie all about what it's like to

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<v Speaker 1>do this show what her favorite lessons are from Broadway,

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<v Speaker 1>film and or television, and what Real Housewives series is

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<v Speaker 1>her favorite. Let's dive in with Annalie Ashford.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so amped that you're here, and I'm also laughing

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<v Speaker 1>because we've had the most ridiculous I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>long we've been doing this ten minutes of trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get our audio things to work. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>you folks at home are going to get any of

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<v Speaker 1>that treat, but we've had a nice giggle.

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<v Speaker 2>It was really good. I feel really good about how

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<v Speaker 2>I look my posture right now. My posture is not

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<v Speaker 2>a result of me trying to have good posture or

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<v Speaker 2>me trying to be good to my spine, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>really just because my microphone set up as bizarre.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, did you get one of those

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<v Speaker 1>chairs that like you put your you put your calves in,

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<v Speaker 1>and then it's supposed to make you sit up straight.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you can see my chair has ears?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you see his like bunny ears?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 2>But maybe I should get one of those you put

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<v Speaker 2>your calves in? It is that the real thing?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's like an ergonomic thing. Is that the

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<v Speaker 1>right word?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you get it in the magazine that you get

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<v Speaker 2>on when you go on the plane?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably sky Mall? Yes, I'm it feels like something you

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<v Speaker 1>could get on sky.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you seen a sky mall lately? I have not.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't, but honestly, I think they should bring them.

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<v Speaker 2>Back in paper please. Yeah, that sounds like a very

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<v Speaker 2>delightful treat when boarding an airplane.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I think we deserve more air traffic controllers and.

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<v Speaker 2>More hallelujah right invent to both as.

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<v Speaker 1>Two people talking about our travel schedules. I'm like, just please,

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<v Speaker 1>please keep the planes in the air. That's all I want.

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<v Speaker 2>I've had a couple of rough landings recently, and I

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<v Speaker 2>have prayed in a way that was different that will

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<v Speaker 2>feel very uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're like, oh, this, this is what it means

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<v Speaker 1>to strike terror into one's heart. It's happening to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand that turn a phrase.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Oh my god in so many ways like oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yea yea, which is also a lot like people who

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<v Speaker 1>do what we do, who you know, play in the

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<v Speaker 1>circus for a living and try to pretend they're not

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<v Speaker 1>anxious all the time. What are you talking about what

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<v Speaker 1>are you talking about? To feel that kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>gripping anxiety that's worse every once in a while. When

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<v Speaker 1>when that happens to me, I'm like, oh, interesting, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know it could go up from ten, but now

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<v Speaker 1>we're at a twelve, and that's what a twelve feels like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we live in like a low level, constant pulse

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<v Speaker 2>of anxiety and then you know, yeah, when it gets

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<v Speaker 2>ramped up, you're like, oh, do I need a full

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<v Speaker 2>xanax right now or just to send about would you

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<v Speaker 2>like a rantl PAM or would you just like a propanel? Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I said the fancy name for beta blocker?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that what that is?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, propanol, it's a beta blocker. Have you dived into

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<v Speaker 2>beta blockers?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I had like a weird COVID thing almost two

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, which was deeply scary and also really humbling

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<v Speaker 1>because when I was like, no, I'm a very healthy

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<v Speaker 1>person and I understand that, like, you know, a fourth

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<v Speaker 1>COVID infection could probably be really bad for you, but

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<v Speaker 1>also my job requires me to be in large theaters

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<v Speaker 1>of people. What do you want from me? And then

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<v Speaker 1>the doctor after a few weeks was like, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think you're taking this as seriously as.

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<v Speaker 2>You should be.

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<v Speaker 1>You do know that the number one horrible side effect

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<v Speaker 1>of COVID for women between forty and fifty is cardiac issues.

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<v Speaker 1>And I literally if I was like it was like

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<v Speaker 1>he'd smacked me, like straight into gone with the wind.

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<v Speaker 1>I was so offended and I was like, I'm barely forty.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm forty. Oh no, And it was like this very

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<v Speaker 1>rude awakening because I was like, no, but I have

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<v Speaker 1>you know that sort of like trauma that freezes you

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit stunted. And I think I'm perpetually twenty

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<v Speaker 1>six and you're saying I need to like go to

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<v Speaker 1>the doctor regularly to see what's up with this, and

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<v Speaker 1>they were kind of like, welcome to adulthood, lady, and

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<v Speaker 1>I really didn't like it.

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<v Speaker 2>You said, where's my recipim.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I guess I'll take all this heart

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<v Speaker 1>medication and go sit next to Morty at the cardiac center. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it was like me and a bunch of old dudes

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<v Speaker 1>all summer long, and actually they were adorable. And I

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<v Speaker 1>did have moments where my actor brain kicked in and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, this would be like such a cute

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<v Speaker 1>little series of shorts. And then I was like, probably

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<v Speaker 1>super inappropriate to ask all these people to violate their

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<v Speaker 1>own hippa as well to be on camera with me.

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<v Speaker 1>But if I could, it would just be so cute.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you could. I want to know their life

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<v Speaker 2>stories already. I'm in. It was like it was me

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<v Speaker 2>and the old guys, you and Morty. Did Morty take

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<v Speaker 2>lorez pan?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't ask him what he was taking, but he

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<v Speaker 1>he walked with his little cane like he was in

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<v Speaker 1>a little dance routine a lot, and I really was adorable.

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<v Speaker 2>To me, Marty sounds fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a great sense of humor.

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<v Speaker 2>Is he in show viz chovas adjacent?

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like probably showing going to like the nice

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<v Speaker 1>hospital in the middle of La I bet like most

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<v Speaker 1>of those guys were you have?

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<v Speaker 2>You had no idea? But he was the boom operator

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<v Speaker 2>on taxi.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, He's like I was the one. I'm tod Robert

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<v Speaker 1>and narrow hacked.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait did you take propinall? Was that? Why? I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>I like took all sorts of I had to get

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<v Speaker 1>Like one of the worst things was the they would

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<v Speaker 1>do these like contrast MRIs that I had to do,

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<v Speaker 1>and those I really didn't like, because at least once

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<v Speaker 1>I did the first one, I knew what was coming.

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<v Speaker 1>But like when I first, you know, got back from

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<v Speaker 1>this stage play I was doing in London, they were

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<v Speaker 1>basically like, well, we've got to run all the tests

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<v Speaker 1>again here to like go through the proper levels of

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<v Speaker 1>insurance and whatever. And they were like, oh, and you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't had a contrast MRI. We're going to give you

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<v Speaker 1>this thing and we're just going to push this die.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna give a little bit of a warm.

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<v Speaker 2>Flush in your pelvic region. Uh huh, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like a warm flush. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like someone just dumped a pot of almost

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<v Speaker 1>boiling water, like up my crotch. What are you talking

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<v Speaker 1>about a warm flush like this? I was like, I

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<v Speaker 1>must be dying, and they were like, you're not dying.

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<v Speaker 1>It'll pass in about ninety seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>It's such a weird feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not great.

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<v Speaker 2>No. It's also like, why don't you just say you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna make it. It's gonna feel like you peed your

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<v Speaker 2>pants but you didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to feel like you peed your pants with

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<v Speaker 1>boiling water.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't feel like it felt as boiling. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sorry you had that experience.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I was very unwell at the time. The

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<v Speaker 1>next time I did it, like three months later to

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<v Speaker 1>get my official like, you're in the clear. You can

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<v Speaker 1>get on longer flights again, buddy, it wasn't as bad.

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<v Speaker 1>But I also thought maybe that was just because I

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<v Speaker 1>knew what was coming.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it could have been a combo platter. It

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<v Speaker 2>could have been a little it could have been a

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<v Speaker 2>left leftover COVID in you pelvic pation.

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<v Speaker 1>It could have just been the high inflammation I was

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with. It made like warm, feel like fire.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what else does that to you? Is

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<v Speaker 2>magnesium pushes? Have you ever gotten a magnesium push? Wait?

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<v Speaker 1>No, but I got an NA D one.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you feel I have? That's the one thing

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't done. What it feel like? Will you tell me?

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<v Speaker 1>Felt like someone put from like tit to tit ribcage

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<v Speaker 1>like in a vice and went and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, oh my god, the chest compression is

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<v Speaker 1>so crazy. But also I went down a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of like a nerdy rabbit hole that whole fall like

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<v Speaker 1>post being told I wasn't going to die because I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, well, I have to figure out how to

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<v Speaker 1>like not to be one of those crazy like guys

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<v Speaker 1>who's changing out his blood with his kid's blood. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not like that nuts, Yeah, but I was like, there

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<v Speaker 1>are there definitely have to be advances in versions of

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<v Speaker 1>like biohacking or cell therapy or whatever, like the cool

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<v Speaker 1>stuff they're doing in Switzerland. I was like, what are

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<v Speaker 1>the things I could do here that won't bankrupt me

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<v Speaker 1>but that might help me like recover from this. And

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<v Speaker 1>I did a lot of research on NAD and was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll give this thing a try. And then I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is why people say if if you feel like

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<v Speaker 1>you're having a cardiac arrest, tell us and we'll slow

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<v Speaker 1>down the trip. And I was like, I just don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if I'm made for this stuff. You guys, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, now I'm forty, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to touch it.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was surren I've taken it orally. Okay, I've

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<v Speaker 2>taken it orally just the pills, you know, like uh.

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<v Speaker 1>With the lorazapammer separately, not at the same time. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, sometimes if nobody was around it take them

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time. Lorazza pan is usually like a

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<v Speaker 2>night before a bed situation when I'm having like bad

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<v Speaker 2>anxiety and I can't sleep, I use it instead of

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<v Speaker 2>like a sleeping aid. I take like a half of

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<v Speaker 2>half like I take such a low dose, and if

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<v Speaker 2>it's but I can tell if I'm really like really struggling,

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm having like I'm gonna have a panic attack moment,

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<v Speaker 2>then I'll take a full one and not pass out,

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<v Speaker 2>which really means you needed it, wow, because.

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<v Speaker 1>Your your adrenaline is really burning through. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And then but the NAD I didn't real I just

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<v Speaker 2>was taking it for immune system stuff. But I've never

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<v Speaker 2>gotten the drip. I've never gotten a push, I've never

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<v Speaker 2>gotten the id.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was it was it was wild. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>our medical show.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyw I know. I literally I could talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>gut microbiome for the next hour if you want, got

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<v Speaker 2>me too.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a friend who literally became a like an

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<v Speaker 1>expert in it after a postpartum thing, and I started

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<v Speaker 1>one of like the best health companies in the world

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<v Speaker 1>because she was just like, there have to be better

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<v Speaker 1>options for moms than this. She's the clost person I know.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah. I ask her like all my nerdy questions

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<v Speaker 1>about what is legit?

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<v Speaker 2>Do I have candida? Do I have stable? Should I

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<v Speaker 2>take probiotics? I should get a test? Right? What should

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<v Speaker 2>I do? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>She's always like, hey, just remember that anybody who's trying

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<v Speaker 1>to sell you like forty six supplements is trying to

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<v Speaker 1>profit off of your checkout of forty six items.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, right, ray, Yeah. But also when you go

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<v Speaker 2>to certain health food starts aka Airwan sometimes in that aisle,

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<v Speaker 2>I get like lost in good packaging. Yeah, packaging for me,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh god, I'll be like I need this colostrum because

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<v Speaker 2>it's in a beautiful I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, how gorgeous. Okay, if you love packaging. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>show that came out on Netflix many years ago called Abstract.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever seen it?

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it is my favorite show. Every episode they profile

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<v Speaker 1>an artist or a designer, and there's an episode on

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<v Speaker 1>typography that literally it's it's like it's like someone scratching

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<v Speaker 1>an itch that your brain has wanted scratched for your

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<v Speaker 1>whole life. It's so soothing and pleasurable and gorgeous. To

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<v Speaker 1>look at that. That is my that's my gift to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I can't for today I'm excited about I just

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<v Speaker 2>was in DC for a day and I drove past

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<v Speaker 2>a like a cleaning a cleaners. It was just like

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<v Speaker 2>a laundromat, but the advertise, like their logo was so.

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<v Speaker 1>Clean, corgeous. Did you take a pig?

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<v Speaker 2>I I almost did, but I was like, what am

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<v Speaker 2>I going to do with this? Like go start a

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<v Speaker 2>cleaning company, like a brand of laundromats that just have

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<v Speaker 2>really good logo. But really, Then I had a whole

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<v Speaker 2>thought process of sometimes we do pick a place for

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<v Speaker 2>their logo. Yeah, because you're like, that looks like a

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<v Speaker 2>really clean, lovely logo, so the place must be clean

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<v Speaker 2>and lovely.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, it's like, look how much they care about

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<v Speaker 1>the details. I want people who care less details to

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<v Speaker 1>that level to care about my details.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for figuring that out for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I understand it. I I'm one of those people

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<v Speaker 1>who can't not take the picture and who also can't

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<v Speaker 1>not take the screenshot, to the point that when I

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<v Speaker 1>realized I'd hit over two hundred and fifty thousand screenshots

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<v Speaker 1>on my phone, I was like I I sat with

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<v Speaker 1>myself for a minute. I was like, is this the

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<v Speaker 1>thing I should address with my therapist? I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>Or is that the most insufferable question I've ever asked

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<v Speaker 1>myself in a sort of self inventory.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I think it means? You're an artist?

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. Thank you for figuring that out for me.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes sense to me. I have screenshot stuff all

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<v Speaker 2>the time. My husband does not, and he's sort of

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<v Speaker 2>like bewildered by why that. I also, you know when

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<v Speaker 2>you have to go somewhere and you need them for me,

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<v Speaker 2>you have a flight and you don't want to open

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<v Speaker 2>your email or open your app like eighteen hundred times

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<v Speaker 2>just to shut it. Yet it Oh yeah, I always

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<v Speaker 2>go right away.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh the boarding get way?

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<v Speaker 2>Do that? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Done. I screenshot the boarding pass and then favored it

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<v Speaker 1>and it's my last thing in my favorites album. Done,

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<v Speaker 1>so I have it one touch and then when I

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<v Speaker 1>get on the plane, I delete it.

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<v Speaker 2>Are your pictures organized?

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<v Speaker 1>They really go in waves? I will be the most

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<v Speaker 1>organized person. And then also the to do to organize

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<v Speaker 1>pile or cluster is also very overwhelming. Yeah, me too,

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<v Speaker 1>But when I do it, I do it really well.

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<v Speaker 2>Good for you. I never do that part. Well, my

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<v Speaker 2>mine's just a big mess. It's just kind of bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So this is the thing, and I will be honest.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't been doing it every day, but a friend

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<v Speaker 1>of mine started this on January first, and she's really good.

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<v Speaker 1>She's doing it every day. And she said, every single day,

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<v Speaker 1>starting for New Year's search the date in your phone. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know today is April fifteenth. Plug in April

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<v Speaker 1>fifteenth in your eyephotos and it will bring up every

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<v Speaker 1>photo from every April fifteenth in your entire photo album

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<v Speaker 1>and then you can do a clean out.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great way too clean, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's been doing it every single day of the year,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm so enamored with it. But I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, even if I do it twice a week,

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<v Speaker 1>it's more than I've done in the last ten years.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, that's a great hack. Okay, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>take that because that will help me. I also, I

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<v Speaker 2>just had a baby. I have a six month old,

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<v Speaker 2>which is very fun. She's really silly, sweet, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I have an eight year old. But I have become

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<v Speaker 2>that person that somebody's like, hey, let me see the baby,

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<v Speaker 2>and I want to see you know, your let bloy jack.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I go, okay, hold on, I have my

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<v Speaker 2>friend in the picture. And I turn into you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like a seventy five year old woman on my phone

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<v Speaker 2>trying to find the picture and people waiting, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just right, because.

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<v Speaker 1>You also want to find the best picture.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I want to I want to really

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<v Speaker 2>show off her little blonde roots that are coming in

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<v Speaker 2>because she was born with dark hair and she has

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<v Speaker 2>her hair. Usually their hair falls out and then they

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<v Speaker 2>like have new hair that grows in. Hers did not

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<v Speaker 2>fall out, and now she's got blonde roots.

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<v Speaker 1>She's got like a reverse dye job.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, she looks like a guy who did like just

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<v Speaker 2>for men and hasn't done his roots.

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<v Speaker 1>It's god, I loney.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm always trying to find like the picture that

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<v Speaker 2>really shows her blonde roots that.

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<v Speaker 1>Feels very spiritually aligned, because you are one of the

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<v Speaker 1>funniest people in our universe. So for you to have

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<v Speaker 1>a baby with a reverse dye job that's also natural

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<v Speaker 1>is like it's chef's kiss to me. I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so wacky.

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<v Speaker 1>You're like, oh, the universe really gave me a cookie hair.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so funny, and she also has no idea. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>she's just like smiling and dream She's a baby, she's

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<v Speaker 2>living baby dreams. It's really good. It's a look. I

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<v Speaker 2>love it. She's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>And now a word from our sponsors who make the

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<v Speaker 1>show possible. I hate when women get asked this question,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm also I mean it genuinely because I'm fascinated

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<v Speaker 1>with all the things that you have going on, and

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<v Speaker 1>especially like Broadway schedules. How do you how do you

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<v Speaker 1>do the thing and have the family?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know it shows a week is like no joke.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's it's like a crazy mission.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, you know, when I go back into

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<v Speaker 2>TV film land, you know when we have a big

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<v Speaker 2>day or night, shoots are crazy. That is a raque thing.

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<v Speaker 2>But I still always say, we don't have to sing, like,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have to like hit a note that everybody

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<v Speaker 2>knows you hit or you didn't. There's something like really

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<v Speaker 2>vulnerable about being on stage period because you can't say,

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<v Speaker 2>can we try again? But also singing in particular and

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<v Speaker 2>dancing is because it's it. It's also it's an athletic event.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. And I've always loved the Olympics, but the

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<v Speaker 2>older I get, the more I'm like really like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I also you know enough when a kicker goes to

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<v Speaker 2>make the field goal and like a really high pressure

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<v Speaker 2>situation and it doesn't go well, I almost can't look

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, it feels like Opening Night or something.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like very uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes me so uncomfortable. Like Adam Sandler movies. I

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<v Speaker 1>love him, but if I'm watching an Adam Sandler movie

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<v Speaker 1>at home, I have to pause it and go for

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<v Speaker 1>a walk around the house and then come back the

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<v Speaker 1>secondhand embarrassment feeling. Yeah, just the whole point of that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of comedy, right, is like you're supposed to feel

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<v Speaker 1>embarrassed by everything going wrong. Yeah, it is so physically

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<v Speaker 1>almost painful for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I hear you.

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<v Speaker 1>And I thought about this a lot when I because

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<v Speaker 1>I hadn't done a stage play, you know, in my

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<v Speaker 1>adult career, until I went and did this show I

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<v Speaker 1>was telling you about on the West End, and I

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<v Speaker 1>had days where I was like, I feel like I've

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<v Speaker 1>been beaten. Yeah, it's like someone beat me in my sleep,

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<v Speaker 1>from my head to my toes. I don't know what's happening,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would think about people like you and be like,

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<v Speaker 1>what would I have? How would I do this? And

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<v Speaker 1>be singing because I was just talking and then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>yelling and crying and having all sorts of insane physical experiences.

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<v Speaker 1>But like I didn't have to sing.

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<v Speaker 2>They're all different, you know. I was just say, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like being like a basketball player or baseball players have

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<v Speaker 2>to play every day. Basketball players have to play every day,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the same kind of thing. But you get

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<v Speaker 2>your endurance up, you train, and then there's also it's

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<v Speaker 2>a marathon. It's not a sprint, you know, but and

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<v Speaker 2>that's why your body hurts so bad. You're in this

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<v Speaker 2>like long term event. You know. It's just sometimes it

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<v Speaker 2>just feels like it goes on. It's such a gift.

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<v Speaker 2>You have so much gratitude, you know, there's it's always

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<v Speaker 2>coupled with immense gratitude and joy, and you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>communion that you have with the audience every night is magic.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's definitely an emotional hangover and physical hangover. Yeah

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. You wake up you're like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>What helps me kind of understand it, especially because you

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<v Speaker 1>do feel like when you get to do this and

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<v Speaker 1>you love your job so much, you always feel like

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<v Speaker 1>anytime you voice about any truth of anything that's difficult,

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, but I love it. Please don't think I

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<v Speaker 1>just did it.

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<v Speaker 2>I literally just did it.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's like, I know what that is, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think what I what has comforted me weirdly, And this

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<v Speaker 1>is so revealing of the kind of nerd I was

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<v Speaker 1>in school, is understanding like the scientific theory of how

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<v Speaker 1>every action has an equal and opposite reaction, like the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of a pendulum swing. So I think, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get that much joy from the art and the

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<v Speaker 1>danger of like what's gonna happen tonight and the experience

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<v Speaker 1>like you're saying that you have with the audience, the

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<v Speaker 1>equal and opposite reaction is like sometimes you wake up

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<v Speaker 1>and you're like, who ran me over with a mac

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<v Speaker 1>truck in my sleep last night?

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<v Speaker 2>Totally? You know the other part of it. My husband

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<v Speaker 2>did this play Isn't It Twice Now where he plays

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<v Speaker 2>a guy who hits rock bottom and then ultimately gets

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<v Speaker 2>sober and it's about addiction, and it's this great play

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<v Speaker 2>called The White Chip. And he played this really intense arc,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and also he spoke NonStop. He's just basically

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<v Speaker 2>talking for ninety minutes straight. And one of our friends,

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<v Speaker 2>who's a fantastic actress, Crystal Dickinson, she was like, Joe,

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<v Speaker 2>you know that you're not playing that part, but your

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<v Speaker 2>body doesn't know that you're not playing that part. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know that great book, The Body keeps the Score. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that's actually like a great such a beautiful book.

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<v Speaker 2>And sometimes I think it's a great book for actors

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<v Speaker 2>to read because it's a really like healthy reminder that

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<v Speaker 2>you do indeed need rest because you're putting your body

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<v Speaker 2>through this marathon, not only physically, but like emotionally. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really steadfast, and like we leave it at the door

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<v Speaker 2>when we leave, you know, leave it, leave it at

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<v Speaker 2>your trigger when you walk you know, when you walk away.

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<v Speaker 2>And I really believe in like the separation of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I loved. One of the things I loved about

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<v Speaker 2>Severance when it came out was that it helped me

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<v Speaker 2>explain actor brain, you know really, and it's like kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like Severance, you like, you become a different person

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<v Speaker 2>for a little bit, and then you've got to be

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<v Speaker 2>like and come back to you. You can't like lave

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<v Speaker 2>in it. You can't sit in that, especially when you're

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<v Speaker 2>playing the dark stuff totally.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're right, your body doesn't know the difference rents.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you film a scene where your partner or

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<v Speaker 1>your sibling dies for eight hours on set one day, like,

0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:10.959
<v Speaker 1>it's in your body and you've got to figure out

0:23:11.000 --> 0:23:13.680
<v Speaker 1>how to get it out of your body and also

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<v Speaker 1>not apologize for how insane it sounds to say, oh,

0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:19.760
<v Speaker 1>this trauma is in my body totally.

0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:25.320
<v Speaker 2>The certain scores too, and these people stay inside your

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<v Speaker 2>bones in a way that you're like, why do I

0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:31.680
<v Speaker 2>feel so heavy? Like when we were doing studying in

0:23:31.680 --> 0:23:34.600
<v Speaker 2>the park with George. This score is one of the

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<v Speaker 2>best scores that's ever been written, in my opinion, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's also half of it's in minor. It doesn't really

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<v Speaker 2>resolve until the last song. There's this beautiful chord that resolves,

0:23:44.600 --> 0:23:47.639
<v Speaker 2>and it's kind of when the piece resolves, So the

0:23:47.680 --> 0:23:49.840
<v Speaker 2>majority of the play you're kind of living in this

0:23:50.160 --> 0:23:53.000
<v Speaker 2>there's a chord that's repeated over and over again, and

0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:59.280
<v Speaker 2>it's a minor, so it's uncomfortable. It's like, sounds simple

0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:02.280
<v Speaker 2>to just say it's sad, but it's like very it's

0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:05.600
<v Speaker 2>like melancholy. And then the last song of the first

0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:09.240
<v Speaker 2>act and the second act it's called Sunday and it's

0:24:09.280 --> 0:24:14.840
<v Speaker 2>a it's the funeral March, which is also like beautiful,

0:24:14.960 --> 0:24:19.240
<v Speaker 2>but you know it's melancholy. Yeah, sad, sad. So it

0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:22.040
<v Speaker 2>stays in your bones, it stays in your guts.

0:24:22.119 --> 0:24:25.440
<v Speaker 1>It really does. How do you how do you work

0:24:25.480 --> 0:24:27.560
<v Speaker 1>on processing that out? Like when you talk about the

0:24:27.600 --> 0:24:31.840
<v Speaker 1>severance experience and you and your husband both you know,

0:24:32.000 --> 0:24:35.119
<v Speaker 1>do this job. So thank god someone gets your your

0:24:35.560 --> 0:24:39.320
<v Speaker 1>thing when you come home, But how have you kind

0:24:39.320 --> 0:24:42.320
<v Speaker 1>of figured out in your personal life and your individual

0:24:42.359 --> 0:24:47.600
<v Speaker 1>life how to shake all those cobwebs and chords out

0:24:47.600 --> 0:24:48.159
<v Speaker 1>of your body.

0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:51.440
<v Speaker 2>I disassociate cool.

0:24:51.520 --> 0:24:53.000
<v Speaker 1>I did that for a really long time.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really a healthy no.

0:24:56.840 --> 0:24:58.280
<v Speaker 1>I used to sort of wear it as a badge

0:24:58.280 --> 0:24:59.800
<v Speaker 1>of honor. I'd be like that it gets to me

0:24:59.840 --> 0:25:02.640
<v Speaker 1>and and eventually I was like, this is deeply emotionally.

0:25:02.280 --> 0:25:06.320
<v Speaker 2>Unheathy, like I'm exploding. I don't know why.

0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:09.000
<v Speaker 1>That's so weird that I woke up and I don't

0:25:09.040 --> 0:25:10.639
<v Speaker 1>know whose life I'm living or who lives in my

0:25:10.680 --> 0:25:12.560
<v Speaker 1>house with me and I don't know why this happened.

0:25:15.520 --> 0:25:20.240
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you know, that's one way. I A long

0:25:20.400 --> 0:25:23.480
<v Speaker 2>time ago, I watched this great interview that Emma Thompson

0:25:23.520 --> 0:25:30.960
<v Speaker 2>did I Larry King, and she explained that she liked

0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:33.800
<v Speaker 2>the game of being able to walk on and pop

0:25:33.880 --> 0:25:36.560
<v Speaker 2>right in, like walk right on stage and be able

0:25:36.560 --> 0:25:39.000
<v Speaker 2>to be right in, like do enough homework that you

0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:42.840
<v Speaker 2>can slip in and slip out like really with ease,

0:25:44.720 --> 0:25:46.719
<v Speaker 2>and so really like the goal is to have as

0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:50.359
<v Speaker 2>much homework as you can done. And also flexibility, yeah

0:25:50.400 --> 0:25:55.919
<v Speaker 2>have For me, I find that if all the homework

0:25:55.960 --> 0:26:02.119
<v Speaker 2>is there and I in a safe environment, then I

0:26:02.200 --> 0:26:06.000
<v Speaker 2>feel comfortable being really flexible and I can kind of

0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:08.320
<v Speaker 2>slide in and out. And I make myself kind of

0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:10.280
<v Speaker 2>slide in and out. So if we're doing something really dark,

0:26:11.960 --> 0:26:15.600
<v Speaker 2>I kind of give the crew, like and everybody there

0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:18.320
<v Speaker 2>like a breath to know that they can laugh, that

0:26:18.359 --> 0:26:21.320
<v Speaker 2>we can joke around, like let's have some light. But

0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:23.520
<v Speaker 2>that does not work for everybody. So I'm like really

0:26:23.560 --> 0:26:25.920
<v Speaker 2>careful making sure kind of what the other actors need.

0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:31.120
<v Speaker 2>But I sometimes need that because I'm such an mpath. Yeah,

0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:33.679
<v Speaker 2>but I can feel the crew and I feel like

0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:36.840
<v Speaker 2>what everybody else is kind of navigating, and I don't

0:26:36.880 --> 0:26:39.800
<v Speaker 2>want them to like be in a state for five

0:26:39.840 --> 0:26:41.359
<v Speaker 2>hours where they feel like they have to be like

0:26:41.440 --> 0:26:43.119
<v Speaker 2>silent and walk on it. You know. I don't know,

0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:45.080
<v Speaker 2>there's something kind of about the energy of the whole

0:26:45.119 --> 0:26:47.840
<v Speaker 2>day that feels lighter and brighter if we can all laugh,

0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:50.440
<v Speaker 2>like we need to be reverent of whatever we're working

0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:54.199
<v Speaker 2>on in the moment. But I always think back to

0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:57.520
<v Speaker 2>that amazing interview that i'm A Thompson did, and I

0:26:57.560 --> 0:26:58.800
<v Speaker 2>just kind of want to be like her. So I

0:26:58.920 --> 0:27:01.520
<v Speaker 2>kind of I like, this is going to sound insane,

0:27:01.520 --> 0:27:04.880
<v Speaker 2>but I play like a little game with myself. I like, Okay,

0:27:05.240 --> 0:27:07.200
<v Speaker 2>when can you slip out? Can you slip back in?

0:27:07.440 --> 0:27:09.560
<v Speaker 2>Like how can you weave in and out of character?

0:27:09.760 --> 0:27:13.359
<v Speaker 2>Like basically can you go through the severance elevator?

0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:18.560
<v Speaker 2>But that but that doesn't always like make sense for everybody,

0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:20.439
<v Speaker 2>So I don't I kind of take a tip from

0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:22.600
<v Speaker 2>whoever I'm working with and kind of navigate around them

0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:23.399
<v Speaker 2>as well, what do you do?

0:27:23.520 --> 0:27:26.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's really cool. I think I'm always kind of learning,

0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:30.720
<v Speaker 1>you know. I feel like part of the goal right

0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:34.119
<v Speaker 1>of being alive is to learn more and navigate better

0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:38.840
<v Speaker 1>and like the thing I've really been so I'm kind

0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:41.040
<v Speaker 1>of meditating on and I didn't have the language for

0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:43.680
<v Speaker 1>it when I turned thirty. I think I discovered the

0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:46.160
<v Speaker 1>language for it when I turned forty. And I realize

0:27:46.160 --> 0:27:50.080
<v Speaker 1>it's been this exploration over the last ten years is

0:27:50.200 --> 0:27:55.080
<v Speaker 1>how to hold more and more things to be true

0:27:55.160 --> 0:27:59.320
<v Speaker 1>at the same time, so to be able to say

0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:02.600
<v Speaker 1>the set I'm on. Let's say we're doing a movie together.

0:28:02.640 --> 0:28:06.719
<v Speaker 1>Our set is incredibly safe and it's dangerous. Yeah, it

0:28:06.760 --> 0:28:08.560
<v Speaker 1>has to be so we can be in the scene.

0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:12.280
<v Speaker 1>You know, I am completely in control and I am

0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:17.000
<v Speaker 1>completely out of control in this space. I've done all

0:28:17.000 --> 0:28:19.119
<v Speaker 1>my homework so I can slip in. And also I

0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:20.640
<v Speaker 1>don't know what the fuck's going on and I could

0:28:20.680 --> 0:28:25.480
<v Speaker 1>be surprised, like yeah, And you know I can in

0:28:25.520 --> 0:28:29.840
<v Speaker 1>my personal world in activism, I can hold things I

0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:32.320
<v Speaker 1>know to be true to be true, I e. What

0:28:32.440 --> 0:28:37.800
<v Speaker 1>makes democracy work and what doesn't. Social science data matters

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:40.320
<v Speaker 1>like kids do better when they have lunch at school.

0:28:40.400 --> 0:28:45.200
<v Speaker 1>Defunding school lunches is psychotic, and I have to figure

0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:49.200
<v Speaker 1>out why someone who is pro defunding school lunches got

0:28:49.240 --> 0:28:51.720
<v Speaker 1>that way and I have to be able to listen

0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:54.720
<v Speaker 1>to what they believe to be true so that I

0:28:54.760 --> 0:28:58.680
<v Speaker 1>can then have a conversation with them rather than an argument,

0:28:59.760 --> 0:29:02.640
<v Speaker 1>and maybe we come to a new thing instead of

0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:04.320
<v Speaker 1>we get in a fight and then they never want

0:29:04.320 --> 0:29:06.840
<v Speaker 1>to change their mind, you know. So it's like, yeah,

0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:11.960
<v Speaker 1>there's something about that for me. And so the way

0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:14.160
<v Speaker 1>I think about it is like every year, I want

0:29:14.160 --> 0:29:20.040
<v Speaker 1>to feel like I've learned more and shifted my capability

0:29:20.240 --> 0:29:25.720
<v Speaker 1>or expanded my opinion or tolerance or whatever. But also

0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:31.280
<v Speaker 1>it's weird because it's like, yeah, sometimes I find that

0:29:31.320 --> 0:29:33.960
<v Speaker 1>the interest in so many things and wanting to take

0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:36.920
<v Speaker 1>a cue from my coworkers or my crew means that

0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:38.840
<v Speaker 1>I start thinking about what everybody else is doing and

0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:41.440
<v Speaker 1>what everybody else needs, and making sure everybody else has

0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:43.640
<v Speaker 1>everything that is going to make their day go great.

0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:47.040
<v Speaker 1>And then I realize I haven't done anything for myself. Yeah,

0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:50.360
<v Speaker 1>And so it's like, I don't know, it's a bit

0:29:50.400 --> 0:29:53.160
<v Speaker 1>like being in like the spin cycle, but I think

0:29:53.200 --> 0:29:55.080
<v Speaker 1>if I can stay aware of it, at least I

0:29:55.120 --> 0:29:56.440
<v Speaker 1>can sort of stay on top of.

0:29:56.360 --> 0:30:01.040
<v Speaker 2>The water totally. You know, As you were saying all

0:30:01.040 --> 0:30:03.840
<v Speaker 2>of that, The first thing I thought of was my

0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:05.760
<v Speaker 2>husband says, two things can be true at the same

0:30:05.800 --> 0:30:08.040
<v Speaker 2>time all the time, and it's actually like, it's a

0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:11.600
<v Speaker 2>great way to argue with somebody, as you said, it's

0:30:11.640 --> 0:30:14.560
<v Speaker 2>a great way to resolve, it's a great way to reset,

0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:19.520
<v Speaker 2>and it's also a great way to have common ground

0:30:19.960 --> 0:30:22.800
<v Speaker 2>and also keep a conversation going. And then the other

0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:26.040
<v Speaker 2>thing that you just said. As you were talking, I

0:30:26.080 --> 0:30:30.440
<v Speaker 2>had a realization that my whole explanation was about people

0:30:30.480 --> 0:30:32.800
<v Speaker 2>pleasing and just making everybody else feel good.

0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:34.720
<v Speaker 1>On the set.

0:30:34.720 --> 0:30:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Parents like, yeah, you know sometimes and the one thing

0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:42.840
<v Speaker 2>about what we do for a living, which is super

0:30:42.840 --> 0:30:45.360
<v Speaker 2>fun and all the things, but it is also navigating

0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:51.840
<v Speaker 2>personalities constant. It's a really social profession, and sometimes it's

0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 2>just easier when everybody's happy, or it's easier when everybody

0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:58.760
<v Speaker 2>is having a better day. It's easier when the vibe

0:30:58.840 --> 0:31:01.760
<v Speaker 2>is good. I would say that that's true for any

0:31:02.720 --> 0:31:12.400
<v Speaker 2>anybody's job. Yeah, and sometimes I think, unfortunately, when you

0:31:12.440 --> 0:31:15.719
<v Speaker 2>should be able to just invest in the scene and

0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:18.160
<v Speaker 2>be completely focused on that, sometimes you can't. You have

0:31:18.240 --> 0:31:22.840
<v Speaker 2>to yeah, also be wearing other hats, and sometimes I

0:31:22.880 --> 0:31:25.280
<v Speaker 2>think that that makes my job easier to make everybody

0:31:25.280 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 2>else happy. But really, now that I'm listening to myself,

0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:30.640
<v Speaker 2>I like, I'm just people placing and making people.

0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:33.640
<v Speaker 1>But I think it's both your thanks can be.

0:31:33.600 --> 0:31:34.520
<v Speaker 2>True at the same time.

0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:38.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they sure. Again, I think the thing about it

0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:43.360
<v Speaker 1>is my natural instinct is to make sure everybody else

0:31:43.440 --> 0:31:48.360
<v Speaker 1>is good first. I'm trying to learn to also make

0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:51.080
<v Speaker 1>sure I'm good in that first past.

0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:52.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:56.560
<v Speaker 1>And I think there's something interesting too, right, Like, the

0:31:56.600 --> 0:32:00.479
<v Speaker 1>longer you do this job, the more gratitude you have

0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:05.400
<v Speaker 1>for the you know, relative success you have. Then it's

0:32:05.440 --> 0:32:08.920
<v Speaker 1>like if a new kid comes on set and isn't

0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:12.000
<v Speaker 1>checking on every department head, nobody expects them to. They're like,

0:32:12.040 --> 0:32:13.440
<v Speaker 1>do you even know what a department head is?

0:32:13.760 --> 0:32:14.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:16.000
<v Speaker 1>But when you've been doing this as long as we have,

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:20.560
<v Speaker 1>if you don't, it's kind of like actor with an attitude,

0:32:20.560 --> 0:32:22.520
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, no, I'm just I have to deliver

0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:24.280
<v Speaker 1>like a two page monologue today and I'm running my

0:32:24.360 --> 0:32:27.120
<v Speaker 1>lines in my head. I'm so sorry. I'm not actually

0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:29.240
<v Speaker 1>not thinking about what you need. I just don't want

0:32:29.240 --> 0:32:32.960
<v Speaker 1>to waste your time. Yes, So again, it's likely it's

0:32:33.080 --> 0:32:37.200
<v Speaker 1>spin cycle stuff. And I think a lot about when

0:32:37.240 --> 0:32:39.520
<v Speaker 1>I thought about it a lot getting ready for today,

0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:43.600
<v Speaker 1>because you have such an amazing career from like Broadway

0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:46.800
<v Speaker 1>to film to TV. You know, it's crazy to think

0:32:46.800 --> 0:32:50.760
<v Speaker 1>that you want a Tony in twenty fifteen, like talk

0:32:50.800 --> 0:32:54.160
<v Speaker 1>about the spin cycle of You've got so many irons

0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:58.080
<v Speaker 1>in the fire when you look back at sort of

0:32:58.120 --> 0:33:01.960
<v Speaker 1>all these spaces you've worked in and different environments, like

0:33:02.840 --> 0:33:04.840
<v Speaker 1>is there a mentor who stands out to you? Is

0:33:04.840 --> 0:33:09.000
<v Speaker 1>there is there a kind of advice, you know, whether

0:33:09.040 --> 0:33:12.840
<v Speaker 1>it's how to stay focused as an actor or I

0:33:12.880 --> 0:33:15.920
<v Speaker 1>don't know, how to like not lose your mind on location,

0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:19.200
<v Speaker 1>Like what what are the standouts for you when you

0:33:19.280 --> 0:33:23.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of look back and you realize what your biggest

0:33:23.640 --> 0:33:27.840
<v Speaker 1>sort of inspirations or maybe nuggets of wisdom are for

0:33:27.880 --> 0:33:29.440
<v Speaker 1>the for the next chapter.

0:33:30.320 --> 0:33:32.760
<v Speaker 2>Well, that was really nice of you to talk about

0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:34.760
<v Speaker 2>my career that way. Also, I like to say it

0:33:34.760 --> 0:33:35.520
<v Speaker 2>in the mic like.

0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:39.120
<v Speaker 1>This amazing, Like you have had the really amazing career. Congratulations.

0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:42.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm just hey, I'm just really happy that I've gotten

0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:45.640
<v Speaker 2>to work. You know, I always love when people are like, so,

0:33:45.800 --> 0:33:49.160
<v Speaker 2>how did you choose this role? I'm always like, I

0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:52.400
<v Speaker 2>don't know. Is that a like, you know, we answer

0:33:52.440 --> 0:33:54.880
<v Speaker 2>that question a lot too, like we've chose it most

0:33:54.920 --> 0:33:57.440
<v Speaker 2>of the time. Actors don't choose what they're doing most

0:33:57.480 --> 0:33:59.640
<v Speaker 2>of the time. We really that's like the that would

0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:02.160
<v Speaker 2>be the you know, well that is the dream some

0:34:02.200 --> 0:34:06.080
<v Speaker 2>people do. And I think you, yes, you do choose

0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:07.920
<v Speaker 2>the things you get to work on because you say

0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:10.320
<v Speaker 2>yes or no. But you're the majority of your career

0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:17.359
<v Speaker 2>is you seeking out work. And also I just think

0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:19.680
<v Speaker 2>it's so rare that we get to go yes, I

0:34:19.760 --> 0:34:22.320
<v Speaker 2>will bless you with my blessings. You know, it's usually

0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:25.160
<v Speaker 2>like a collabor it's a collaborative art form, so I

0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:27.839
<v Speaker 2>think it comes together as collaboration as well too.

0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I like that.

0:34:29.760 --> 0:34:32.040
<v Speaker 2>So the few jobs that I have just been offered

0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:35.520
<v Speaker 2>in my life, oh, it's felt like a miracle, you know.

0:34:36.400 --> 0:34:38.520
<v Speaker 2>With the moment that I got to choose for the

0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:40.600
<v Speaker 2>first time, it was like it also felt really scary.

0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:44.080
<v Speaker 2>You're like, I get to choose, this feels crazy. But

0:34:44.200 --> 0:34:48.080
<v Speaker 2>on that note, the people that I've learned from I

0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:50.319
<v Speaker 2>learned from everybody that I ever work with, whether it's

0:34:50.320 --> 0:34:52.600
<v Speaker 2>a good experience or a bad experience, because there's always

0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:56.759
<v Speaker 2>something to learn. But I just recently got to go

0:34:56.800 --> 0:35:02.560
<v Speaker 2>to James Earl Jones's memorial, which was like like theater church.

0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:11.600
<v Speaker 2>It was so beautiful. It was really overwhelming, and you know,

0:35:12.840 --> 0:35:16.480
<v Speaker 2>felt like the end of an era in so many ways.

0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:18.640
<v Speaker 2>He felt like somebody who was just going to live

0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:24.040
<v Speaker 2>forever to me, and he will live forever. The thing

0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:27.319
<v Speaker 2>that he taught me while working was something that you

0:35:27.719 --> 0:35:30.600
<v Speaker 2>said earlier is he was the forever student. He was

0:35:30.719 --> 0:35:34.399
<v Speaker 2>always learning, he was always finding something new in the play.

0:35:34.480 --> 0:35:38.400
<v Speaker 2>Up until the last weekend. He brought me and Christy Nilsen,

0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:40.279
<v Speaker 2>who played my Mom, into his dressing room and he

0:35:40.360 --> 0:35:42.239
<v Speaker 2>was like, I would like to try something new in

0:35:42.280 --> 0:35:46.279
<v Speaker 2>the scene that comes right after you, and you know,

0:35:46.680 --> 0:35:48.480
<v Speaker 2>I had an idea that he wanted to try, and

0:35:48.560 --> 0:35:53.880
<v Speaker 2>we had four performances left. Wow. He would run scenes

0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:57.840
<v Speaker 2>from Othello with my husband in his dressing room on

0:35:57.880 --> 0:36:00.680
<v Speaker 2>Thursday afternoons that like halfway through the and he was like,

0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:02.920
<v Speaker 2>I'd like to run these scenes with you. I always,

0:36:03.280 --> 0:36:05.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, wanted to work on them again. I never

0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:09.120
<v Speaker 2>quite cracked them. They've just always, you know, the poetry's

0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:11.160
<v Speaker 2>always been a thorn in my side. There were things

0:36:11.200 --> 0:36:13.200
<v Speaker 2>about that piece that he wanted to revisit, so he

0:36:13.360 --> 0:36:15.600
<v Speaker 2>just like came in and worked on them. Talk about

0:36:15.600 --> 0:36:21.200
<v Speaker 2>a forever student. And then the other person who also

0:36:21.320 --> 0:36:23.840
<v Speaker 2>just recently passed and I thought would just live forever

0:36:24.520 --> 0:36:28.879
<v Speaker 2>was Linda Lavin. She like was so such a dear

0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:33.880
<v Speaker 2>friend and so funny and warm, and you know, she

0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:41.520
<v Speaker 2>was such a such a legend but also such a

0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:44.920
<v Speaker 2>pro And the way she would walk onto the set

0:36:44.960 --> 0:36:49.239
<v Speaker 2>of a of a multicam was like ready or not,

0:36:49.360 --> 0:36:52.200
<v Speaker 2>here comes mama. You know, that is her medium. And

0:36:52.239 --> 0:36:54.200
<v Speaker 2>she knew like the back for hand, but she could

0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:56.080
<v Speaker 2>make you laugh and still be honest at the same time.

0:36:56.120 --> 0:36:58.920
<v Speaker 2>But what she taught me was, you know, I'd have

0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:00.759
<v Speaker 2>a couple of rough moments here there, and I'd come

0:37:00.760 --> 0:37:03.439
<v Speaker 2>in in her dressing room and we would talk about

0:37:03.440 --> 0:37:05.600
<v Speaker 2>alan on together. She was a big allan on person

0:37:05.680 --> 0:37:07.640
<v Speaker 2>and I'm an all on person, and we would talk

0:37:07.640 --> 0:37:10.520
<v Speaker 2>about forgiveness and letting things go. And I think that's

0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:15.359
<v Speaker 2>a forgiveness is something that we don't talk enough about

0:37:15.440 --> 0:37:18.160
<v Speaker 2>in the workspace, whether it be our business that we're

0:37:18.160 --> 0:37:21.520
<v Speaker 2>in or every workspace. You have to be able to

0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:24.319
<v Speaker 2>like let go and let God and move on and

0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:27.319
<v Speaker 2>forgive people and reset. You have to really be able

0:37:27.360 --> 0:37:32.879
<v Speaker 2>to reset without holding on to resentment. So I would say,

0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:34.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, those two were great teachers.

0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's so cool. And now a word from our

0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:53.439
<v Speaker 1>wonderful sponsors. What made you want to shift from all

0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:57.960
<v Speaker 1>these mediums to come into this new space and do

0:37:58.080 --> 0:37:58.720
<v Speaker 1>happy face?

0:37:58.880 --> 0:37:59.000
<v Speaker 2>Like?

0:38:00.920 --> 0:38:02.240
<v Speaker 1>Where did it come from?

0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:05.799
<v Speaker 2>When somebody says do you want to come to this drub?

0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:08.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's one of those I know.

0:38:08.920 --> 0:38:12.160
<v Speaker 2>You know, well, I'm so lucky. I've kind of been. Uh,

0:38:15.080 --> 0:38:20.239
<v Speaker 2>I've been an actor who people often connect me with

0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:23.080
<v Speaker 2>whatever they saw me in last which is actually like

0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:26.520
<v Speaker 2>sort of the greatest gift, you know, they kind of

0:38:26.800 --> 0:38:29.200
<v Speaker 2>just you know, some people think of me as Buddy

0:38:29.239 --> 0:38:31.640
<v Speaker 2>and Masters of Sex, and some people are like, oh,

0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:34.239
<v Speaker 2>I saw you play Missus love It and Sweeney Todd

0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:36.840
<v Speaker 2>or you know, Dot and whatever. They saw me and

0:38:36.880 --> 0:38:41.200
<v Speaker 2>Kikaboots or or they Sabby Positive whatever. But these are

0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:43.759
<v Speaker 2>all like really different kinds of shows. Like they've all

0:38:43.800 --> 0:38:49.719
<v Speaker 2>done really really different pieces tonally genre. You know, some

0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:52.680
<v Speaker 2>are comedy, some are drama, and then yeah it's like

0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:55.759
<v Speaker 2>a crime drama. There's levity. Michael Showalter directed it, and

0:38:55.800 --> 0:38:59.359
<v Speaker 2>he's so funny and great. So he gave he really

0:38:59.400 --> 0:39:02.520
<v Speaker 2>set the tone for us and gave us a breath

0:39:02.520 --> 0:39:06.440
<v Speaker 2>of dark comedy, which I think was important for me.

0:39:08.760 --> 0:39:12.160
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I was, Hey, it's a fantastic true story

0:39:12.200 --> 0:39:16.240
<v Speaker 2>with a great character with an incredible conflict. She's really

0:39:16.320 --> 0:39:20.239
<v Speaker 2>vulnerable and cannot not be vulnerable. There's nothing better at

0:39:20.400 --> 0:39:23.879
<v Speaker 2>playing a character that's just like the griven. Circumstances will

0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:26.879
<v Speaker 2>just forever be complicated and uncomfortable for her. So she's

0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:27.680
<v Speaker 2>going to be vulnerable.

0:39:27.719 --> 0:39:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like she can't hold it back.

0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, if you had a father who was

0:39:31.480 --> 0:39:33.600
<v Speaker 2>a serial killer, that would just be a conflict that

0:39:33.719 --> 0:39:34.560
<v Speaker 2>just never ends.

0:39:35.360 --> 0:39:38.000
<v Speaker 1>I literally can't imagine. Okay, will you tell the folks

0:39:38.000 --> 0:39:40.040
<v Speaker 1>at home who are like, what are they talking about?

0:39:40.040 --> 0:39:42.600
<v Speaker 1>What is Happy Face? In case they've been living under

0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:46.960
<v Speaker 1>a rock, can you give them the log line?

0:39:47.400 --> 0:39:50.560
<v Speaker 2>Yes, there was a real life serial killer in the

0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:54.200
<v Speaker 2>nineties called the Happy Face Murderer, and his daughter came

0:39:54.280 --> 0:39:58.000
<v Speaker 2>out as his daughter and has become an advocate for

0:39:58.040 --> 0:40:00.400
<v Speaker 2>folks who've been touched by the trauma of true and

0:40:00.440 --> 0:40:04.360
<v Speaker 2>so this is this is the telling of her story.

0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:08.440
<v Speaker 2>Her story is all based on true events, but we've

0:40:08.480 --> 0:40:12.840
<v Speaker 2>really wanted to be respectful of the victims involved in

0:40:13.560 --> 0:40:16.960
<v Speaker 2>the real life crime. So the crime elements are fictionalized.

0:40:17.360 --> 0:40:20.560
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so they're inspired by things that have happened, but

0:40:20.600 --> 0:40:25.000
<v Speaker 1>then fictionalized so that it doesn't drudge up sort of

0:40:25.120 --> 0:40:28.960
<v Speaker 1>historical trauma for people who've survived or for surviving family.

0:40:29.400 --> 0:40:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, And you know, one of the things that I

0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:35.880
<v Speaker 2>think the show reminds us is not only are we

0:40:36.120 --> 0:40:41.240
<v Speaker 2>unaware of all of the victims and the victims' families

0:40:42.320 --> 0:40:46.680
<v Speaker 2>when we consume true crime, you know, of the you know,

0:40:47.440 --> 0:40:49.440
<v Speaker 2>the way that we do in pop culture, me included,

0:40:50.920 --> 0:40:53.640
<v Speaker 2>and why do we like to watch them? Like why

0:40:53.640 --> 0:40:54.720
<v Speaker 2>do we like true crime?

0:40:55.160 --> 0:40:55.359
<v Speaker 1>Right?

0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:57.480
<v Speaker 2>If you think about it, it's mystery. We want to

0:40:57.520 --> 0:40:59.680
<v Speaker 2>know who solved it, you know, like and who did it?

0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:04.080
<v Speaker 2>And then we want to know why and how because

0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:09.480
<v Speaker 2>it helps keep us safer, helps protect us from it

0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:13.799
<v Speaker 2>happening to us. And then also I think one of

0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:16.280
<v Speaker 2>the questions that my character and the real life Melissa

0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:21.080
<v Speaker 2>grapples with is why and how and if it happened

0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:23.279
<v Speaker 2>to somebody that is related to you, can it happen

0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:26.799
<v Speaker 2>to you? You know? And yeah, she carries around this

0:41:26.960 --> 0:41:29.319
<v Speaker 2>like bag of guilt and shame for the rest of

0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:32.160
<v Speaker 2>her life because of something that her father did, not

0:41:32.280 --> 0:41:33.439
<v Speaker 2>because of something she did.

0:41:34.040 --> 0:41:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what has it been like to get to know

0:41:38.280 --> 0:41:41.400
<v Speaker 1>Melissa more because she is the woman that you portray

0:41:42.880 --> 0:41:46.759
<v Speaker 1>have have you two been able to just sit and

0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:49.400
<v Speaker 1>kind of unpack those things together or does that feel

0:41:49.400 --> 0:41:51.399
<v Speaker 1>too intimate to you? And are you like I want

0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:53.120
<v Speaker 1>to have a dinner, but I don't want to know,

0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:55.960
<v Speaker 1>so I don't drive myself crazy, Like how do you

0:41:56.200 --> 0:41:58.320
<v Speaker 1>thread that needle as a performer.

0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:04.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, as you know most of the most of your information,

0:42:04.120 --> 0:42:05.960
<v Speaker 2>you should hopefully be able to get from the script,

0:42:06.520 --> 0:42:08.840
<v Speaker 2>and if you don't, that's when you go looking out elsewhere.

0:42:08.880 --> 0:42:11.000
<v Speaker 2>So I really had everything I needed in the script.

0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:14.640
<v Speaker 2>And so when we first started working, you know, our

0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:16.840
<v Speaker 2>incredible showrunner jun Casicio, was like, do you want to

0:42:16.880 --> 0:42:21.120
<v Speaker 2>talk to Melissa? And she's like, I also have letters.

0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:23.960
<v Speaker 2>I have all the letters that her dad sent her,

0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:27.759
<v Speaker 2>which are a big part of our story. Which side note,

0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:30.759
<v Speaker 2>this is crazy. Jen had all of her letters, had

0:42:30.760 --> 0:42:33.160
<v Speaker 2>all of Melissa's letters. Our showrunner had all of the

0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:36.799
<v Speaker 2>real Melissa Moore's letters from her dad from prison in

0:42:36.880 --> 0:42:40.280
<v Speaker 2>her house in Alta, Dina and her house burnt down. No,

0:42:40.880 --> 0:42:43.080
<v Speaker 2>so when we started doing the press tour, she had

0:42:43.080 --> 0:42:46.040
<v Speaker 2>to tell Melissa, I have to tell you all of

0:42:46.080 --> 0:42:48.879
<v Speaker 2>your letters were in my house and they're gone. And

0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:53.760
<v Speaker 2>Melissa was like, you know, that's actually a relief because

0:42:53.760 --> 0:42:55.719
<v Speaker 2>I never knew what to do with him. This was

0:42:55.760 --> 0:42:58.360
<v Speaker 2>such a conflict for me, which is really the inner struggle,

0:42:58.400 --> 0:43:01.160
<v Speaker 2>the inner conflict of my character out you know, the series,

0:43:02.320 --> 0:43:04.200
<v Speaker 2>not just this season is you know, what do you

0:43:04.280 --> 0:43:07.040
<v Speaker 2>do when you love the memory of the man before

0:43:07.080 --> 0:43:09.120
<v Speaker 2>he was the monster? You know, what do you do

0:43:09.200 --> 0:43:14.720
<v Speaker 2>with that? That trauma? So how about that crazy? So anyways,

0:43:14.840 --> 0:43:17.000
<v Speaker 2>I actually when I would look at those letters, I

0:43:17.040 --> 0:43:18.640
<v Speaker 2>started to read some of them and I went, you know,

0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:20.480
<v Speaker 2>I actually don't need to read this. It felt like

0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:23.040
<v Speaker 2>I was like looking into somebody's drawers that I didn't

0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:26.520
<v Speaker 2>need to look into it. And also Melissa and I

0:43:26.560 --> 0:43:30.240
<v Speaker 2>actually didn't connect before, and I almost was relieved because

0:43:30.280 --> 0:43:33.960
<v Speaker 2>I knew that we would connect on the other side.

0:43:34.000 --> 0:43:36.719
<v Speaker 2>And during the press tour, I learned so much from

0:43:36.800 --> 0:43:40.440
<v Speaker 2>her about the machine of true crime and how it

0:43:40.480 --> 0:43:44.719
<v Speaker 2>affects real people and how every time one of these

0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:49.680
<v Speaker 2>shows happens, how it can retraumatize, you know, families on

0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:54.239
<v Speaker 2>both sides of the courthouse, and we just we learned

0:43:54.280 --> 0:43:57.080
<v Speaker 2>so much from her. But I but I actually didn't

0:43:57.120 --> 0:43:59.200
<v Speaker 2>need didn't need that before we started.

0:44:00.200 --> 0:44:02.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh well yeah, I almost imagine it allowed you to

0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:07.319
<v Speaker 1>have your own journey and experience without the pressure of

0:44:07.400 --> 0:44:09.600
<v Speaker 1>trying to also carry someone else's.

0:44:09.880 --> 0:44:12.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean you know you also you feel a

0:44:13.000 --> 0:44:20.399
<v Speaker 2>responsibility to to share their story with compassion, and her

0:44:20.440 --> 0:44:24.160
<v Speaker 2>advocacy work was really important to us. Yeah, and also

0:44:24.239 --> 0:44:27.200
<v Speaker 2>she's got great empathy in the way that she talks

0:44:27.200 --> 0:44:30.960
<v Speaker 2>to victims, so that was really important. But uh, that's beautiful, Yeah,

0:44:31.000 --> 0:44:31.760
<v Speaker 2>wild story.

0:44:32.280 --> 0:44:35.400
<v Speaker 1>Something I thought was so cool that you said talking

0:44:35.440 --> 0:44:39.000
<v Speaker 1>about this was that, yes, it's a true crime show,

0:44:39.040 --> 0:44:42.160
<v Speaker 1>but it's really a different kind of take. You said

0:44:42.200 --> 0:44:45.880
<v Speaker 1>in another interview that it doesn't glorify the killer or

0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:50.680
<v Speaker 1>show any acts of violence against women, and that was

0:44:50.760 --> 0:44:54.800
<v Speaker 1>such a light bulb for me. I was like, that's

0:44:54.840 --> 0:44:58.160
<v Speaker 1>so important because, whether we realize it or not, these

0:44:58.239 --> 0:45:01.799
<v Speaker 1>things we show, these reenactments on so many shows, you know,

0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:07.280
<v Speaker 1>in this genre, they they show things they normalize. By nature,

0:45:07.560 --> 0:45:10.439
<v Speaker 1>you watch something and you become desensitized in a way,

0:45:10.560 --> 0:45:15.000
<v Speaker 1>even if you're shocked or scared or whatever, do you

0:45:15.120 --> 0:45:18.480
<v Speaker 1>think now that you know you're on the other side

0:45:18.840 --> 0:45:22.520
<v Speaker 1>of so much of that press tour and everything. Has

0:45:22.560 --> 0:45:26.439
<v Speaker 1>it made you think about the ways we approach these

0:45:26.480 --> 0:45:31.439
<v Speaker 1>stories and maybe how we should think about the way

0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:33.720
<v Speaker 1>we engage with true crime.

0:45:34.160 --> 0:45:39.120
<v Speaker 2>It has absolutely changed the way that I consume true crime. Wow,

0:45:39.640 --> 0:45:42.240
<v Speaker 2>it has. You know, we know that it's real people,

0:45:42.960 --> 0:45:46.279
<v Speaker 2>but we don't know it's real people. You're not really

0:45:46.360 --> 0:45:50.440
<v Speaker 2>acknowledging it. It's just another way that we're consuming entertainment.

0:45:51.520 --> 0:45:56.479
<v Speaker 2>And most of the shows in this genre are through

0:45:56.560 --> 0:46:00.920
<v Speaker 2>the mail lens. There are oftentimes even from the serial

0:46:01.000 --> 0:46:02.960
<v Speaker 2>killer's point of view. You know, we spend a lot

0:46:03.000 --> 0:46:08.680
<v Speaker 2>of time with the killer, why, how, where? And we're

0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:11.400
<v Speaker 2>never really with a female point of view in this world.

0:46:12.160 --> 0:46:15.319
<v Speaker 2>And then the other thing that was really unique about

0:46:15.320 --> 0:46:18.120
<v Speaker 2>the show is it's a show about violence with no violence.

0:46:18.280 --> 0:46:21.560
<v Speaker 2>We don't see dead bodies all over the forest. That's

0:46:21.600 --> 0:46:23.640
<v Speaker 2>always a relief to not have to see a dead

0:46:23.680 --> 0:46:25.640
<v Speaker 2>girl in the in the forest. You know, you do

0:46:25.760 --> 0:46:28.560
<v Speaker 2>not see that on our show. You hear about it,

0:46:28.600 --> 0:46:32.640
<v Speaker 2>which is maybe even sometimes more uncomfortable in some ways,

0:46:34.680 --> 0:46:38.400
<v Speaker 2>but I think that there's no way around that because

0:46:39.000 --> 0:46:42.279
<v Speaker 2>it's a reminder that this person did these horrific things

0:46:42.280 --> 0:46:44.560
<v Speaker 2>to women, and the way he talks about them is

0:46:44.640 --> 0:46:50.200
<v Speaker 2>so flippant and disgusting. But again, it's I think it's

0:46:50.200 --> 0:46:52.520
<v Speaker 2>a show that is trying to give back agency to

0:46:52.560 --> 0:46:54.959
<v Speaker 2>women in a in a space where men have had

0:46:55.000 --> 0:46:58.160
<v Speaker 2>it all. You know, they've been the detectives, they've been

0:46:58.160 --> 0:47:01.520
<v Speaker 2>the killers, and really the women have just been the

0:47:01.560 --> 0:47:02.439
<v Speaker 2>victims and the family.

0:47:03.360 --> 0:47:11.480
<v Speaker 1>And now for our sponsors, what was it like to

0:47:11.560 --> 0:47:14.680
<v Speaker 1>unpack this stuff with Dennis Quaid because you know, he's

0:47:14.680 --> 0:47:16.680
<v Speaker 1>got to play your father, which means he has to

0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:20.040
<v Speaker 1>play this man you're talking about, you know, this person

0:47:20.080 --> 0:47:22.600
<v Speaker 1>who speaks about women so flippantly and was so violent

0:47:22.640 --> 0:47:27.440
<v Speaker 1>toward them. Like, were there ever days where he just said,

0:47:27.880 --> 0:47:31.440
<v Speaker 1>I really hate this. You know, how do you as

0:47:31.560 --> 0:47:33.399
<v Speaker 1>actors figure that out?

0:47:34.320 --> 0:47:39.560
<v Speaker 2>He was very clear right when we started working on

0:47:39.600 --> 0:47:42.120
<v Speaker 2>this that he wanted to make sure that there would

0:47:42.160 --> 0:47:47.759
<v Speaker 2>be no glorification of this man. Yeah, and I think

0:47:47.800 --> 0:47:49.960
<v Speaker 2>that's why he was interested in working on it, because

0:47:50.320 --> 0:47:54.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's her story, it's not his. He's very

0:47:55.719 --> 0:47:59.000
<v Speaker 2>outspoken about that when we talk about the show, He's like,

0:47:59.080 --> 0:48:02.600
<v Speaker 2>this is not my story, this is Melissa's story. Yeah,

0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:07.160
<v Speaker 2>And I also think the two of us had a

0:48:07.360 --> 0:48:11.560
<v Speaker 2>really natural, easy chemistry. You know, I keep saying, like

0:48:11.600 --> 0:48:13.160
<v Speaker 2>we always talk about the chemistry that you have with

0:48:13.239 --> 0:48:15.160
<v Speaker 2>actors when you're playing like romantic scenes with them, but

0:48:15.200 --> 0:48:17.359
<v Speaker 2>we forget about like you need chemistry when you're playing

0:48:17.360 --> 0:48:20.280
<v Speaker 2>friends with people, and you really need a unique chemistry

0:48:20.320 --> 0:48:27.120
<v Speaker 2>to play family with somebody. And they have this totally complicated,

0:48:28.920 --> 0:48:33.719
<v Speaker 2>uncomfortable father daughter relationship, but it was really easy for us.

0:48:34.640 --> 0:48:37.480
<v Speaker 2>It's just like you could feel that there was love

0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:41.279
<v Speaker 2>right away, which was great because that's the thing that

0:48:41.320 --> 0:48:44.560
<v Speaker 2>she has to fight and that's the that's the conflict.

0:48:46.320 --> 0:48:49.759
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, he was He's he was such a great

0:48:49.440 --> 0:48:54.560
<v Speaker 2>casting choice because he's so like charming and naturally likable

0:48:54.680 --> 0:49:00.520
<v Speaker 2>and he's still really vulnerable in moments. She could have

0:49:00.600 --> 0:49:03.200
<v Speaker 2>just played it like a you know, like a psychopath,

0:49:03.239 --> 0:49:07.160
<v Speaker 2>but psychopaths are also complicated. That's what I'm interesting to

0:49:07.200 --> 0:49:08.760
<v Speaker 2>watch well, And how.

0:49:08.640 --> 0:49:13.680
<v Speaker 1>Cool to have an actor who really wanted to help

0:49:13.840 --> 0:49:17.160
<v Speaker 1>an audience understand why people were charmed by this man,

0:49:17.600 --> 0:49:20.520
<v Speaker 1>why it took so long probably to catch him. Why

0:49:20.680 --> 0:49:24.080
<v Speaker 1>you know all of these things. It's like, weirdly, in

0:49:24.160 --> 0:49:28.719
<v Speaker 1>order to do Melissa's story the service it deserves, her

0:49:28.760 --> 0:49:30.040
<v Speaker 1>father has to be played well.

0:49:30.840 --> 0:49:35.399
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, Yeah, you don't understand her conflict if you don't

0:49:35.440 --> 0:49:38.759
<v Speaker 2>like him a little bit. Yeah, which is also you

0:49:38.800 --> 0:49:39.719
<v Speaker 2>feel uncomfortable.

0:49:39.760 --> 0:49:41.880
<v Speaker 1>It makes me uncomfortab No, it makes me feel achy.

0:49:42.320 --> 0:49:44.440
<v Speaker 2>Really at the end of it, it makes you question

0:49:44.520 --> 0:49:48.440
<v Speaker 2>what would you do if your parent, why you're sibling,

0:49:49.200 --> 0:49:52.840
<v Speaker 2>or your spouse, or your child, or your friend. What

0:49:52.880 --> 0:49:54.759
<v Speaker 2>would you do if somebody did something like this?

0:49:55.040 --> 0:49:56.080
<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine.

0:49:56.239 --> 0:49:58.200
<v Speaker 2>You would blame a part of yourself. You would forever

0:49:58.200 --> 0:49:59.920
<v Speaker 2>live with shame, You would for ever live with guilt,

0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:03.600
<v Speaker 2>and you would forever want to be of service to

0:50:04.000 --> 0:50:07.239
<v Speaker 2>the people that he affected and the victims' families, you know,

0:50:08.920 --> 0:50:12.279
<v Speaker 2>which is what this woman has done. She's become an advocate. Yes.

0:50:12.840 --> 0:50:18.160
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, Wow, it's pretty amazing and I'm so glad that

0:50:18.320 --> 0:50:20.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, despite what a strange world it is to

0:50:20.800 --> 0:50:23.520
<v Speaker 1>dip into, it's been such a positive experience. I want

0:50:23.520 --> 0:50:26.560
<v Speaker 1>to ask you something completely opposite for you know, our

0:50:26.600 --> 0:50:30.240
<v Speaker 1>aforementioned need for levity. Yeah, it's a heavy chat.

0:50:30.920 --> 0:50:32.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you want to take a left turn. Two things

0:50:32.520 --> 0:50:33.560
<v Speaker 2>can be true at the same time.

0:50:33.760 --> 0:50:37.880
<v Speaker 1>Totally, we can be very vulnerable and also very silly.

0:50:38.800 --> 0:50:43.040
<v Speaker 1>I getting away from true crime, but in the reality genre.

0:50:43.120 --> 0:50:46.640
<v Speaker 1>I know you are a very big Bravo fan.

0:50:47.080 --> 0:50:48.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what do you want to see about?

0:50:48.680 --> 0:50:51.759
<v Speaker 1>I just want to know, like what your favorite Bravo show.

0:50:52.280 --> 0:50:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Is right now? Well, Beverly Hills realis of Beverly Hills

0:50:58.080 --> 0:51:05.080
<v Speaker 2>is all the highlight. But I would also say I

0:51:05.120 --> 0:51:07.839
<v Speaker 2>think that Summerhouse is giving us a nice run right

0:51:07.880 --> 0:51:11.280
<v Speaker 2>now because the Page and Craig breakup. We've been watching

0:51:11.320 --> 0:51:13.920
<v Speaker 2>it play out both in Southern Charm and now in Summerhouse.

0:51:14.480 --> 0:51:15.480
<v Speaker 2>To watch it from.

0:51:15.440 --> 0:51:16.680
<v Speaker 1>It goes across shows.

0:51:16.800 --> 0:51:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Craig knew nothing was happening, and then you watch

0:51:19.040 --> 0:51:21.239
<v Speaker 2>Summerhouse and you're like, Craig, how did you not know?

0:51:21.760 --> 0:51:25.040
<v Speaker 2>Page was clearly like not doing well last summer and

0:51:25.120 --> 0:51:27.680
<v Speaker 2>not happy with you, and you had no idea there

0:51:27.680 --> 0:51:31.600
<v Speaker 2>were cracks that he did not see. Also, I love

0:51:31.880 --> 0:51:35.200
<v Speaker 2>New Jersey. We'll always love New Jersey, and Salt Lake

0:51:35.239 --> 0:51:38.160
<v Speaker 2>City has become one of the tops. Like Salt Lake

0:51:38.160 --> 0:51:39.000
<v Speaker 2>City's kind of wild.

0:51:39.080 --> 0:51:41.560
<v Speaker 1>Everybody says that, but salt Lake City is so great.

0:51:42.280 --> 0:51:45.480
<v Speaker 2>No, that's okay, that's okay. It's not everybody's thing. Do

0:51:45.560 --> 0:51:48.839
<v Speaker 2>you watch The Traders? No? Do you watch any reality TV?

0:51:49.120 --> 0:51:50.440
<v Speaker 1>I watch home shows.

0:51:50.719 --> 0:51:53.400
<v Speaker 2>I watch home shows too. Hey, it's not everybody's thing.

0:51:53.560 --> 0:51:54.759
<v Speaker 2>It's how I disassociate.

0:51:55.320 --> 0:51:58.120
<v Speaker 1>Well, here's the thing. I it's one of those things

0:51:58.120 --> 0:52:00.719
<v Speaker 1>that I know the world is so big that it

0:52:00.800 --> 0:52:05.040
<v Speaker 1>feels daunting to start. I don't get it through friends.

0:52:05.200 --> 0:52:08.680
<v Speaker 1>I know little bits and pieces of the drama. And

0:52:08.719 --> 0:52:10.239
<v Speaker 1>then I do have a friend who will be like,

0:52:10.280 --> 0:52:12.160
<v Speaker 1>you don't need to watch anything, but you need to

0:52:12.160 --> 0:52:14.400
<v Speaker 1>watch this TikTok, so you understand what everyone on the

0:52:14.400 --> 0:52:15.520
<v Speaker 1>internet is talking about.

0:52:15.800 --> 0:52:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like vander Pump rules probably. Yeah.

0:52:18.480 --> 0:52:20.360
<v Speaker 1>So now I'm in this space where I'm like, but

0:52:20.440 --> 0:52:23.239
<v Speaker 1>I want more. I'm scared to give it to myself

0:52:24.480 --> 0:52:26.360
<v Speaker 1>because I think then I might really go down the

0:52:26.400 --> 0:52:29.440
<v Speaker 1>rabbit hole. But I have a friend who's also a

0:52:29.520 --> 0:52:34.880
<v Speaker 1>huge Bravo fan, who will just voice memo me catchphrases.

0:52:34.400 --> 0:52:36.200
<v Speaker 2>Amazing, so that you're just up today.

0:52:36.600 --> 0:52:38.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, on a random day, I get an in this

0:52:38.960 --> 0:52:40.480
<v Speaker 1>town and it makes me laugh.

0:52:42.800 --> 0:52:46.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the one one I feel. Well, what I

0:52:46.600 --> 0:52:48.920
<v Speaker 2>will say is that I think you should maybe go

0:52:49.000 --> 0:52:51.600
<v Speaker 2>back and watch Vanda Pump Rules, like the last four seasons.

0:52:51.600 --> 0:52:55.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, so just the last four seasons. It's a

0:52:55.640 --> 0:52:59.560
<v Speaker 2>delightful treat. And it's also now It's parts of it

0:52:59.600 --> 0:53:03.319
<v Speaker 2>are like being in pop culture, you know what I mean? Like, yeah,

0:53:03.360 --> 0:53:05.279
<v Speaker 2>I did not want to watch The Traders, and then

0:53:05.360 --> 0:53:07.839
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, now it's become a pop culture thing.

0:53:07.880 --> 0:53:08.600
<v Speaker 2>Now I have to watch.

0:53:08.800 --> 0:53:09.920
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of everywhere.

0:53:10.440 --> 0:53:11.439
<v Speaker 2>Do you watch drag Race?

0:53:12.040 --> 0:53:12.399
<v Speaker 1>I do?

0:53:12.880 --> 0:53:16.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So drag Race is one that I would dip

0:53:17.000 --> 0:53:18.080
<v Speaker 2>in and out of throughout the.

0:53:18.080 --> 0:53:20.080
<v Speaker 1>Years, so that I was that's what I was gonna say.

0:53:20.120 --> 0:53:22.600
<v Speaker 1>I get I go. Sometimes I'm all in, and then

0:53:22.600 --> 0:53:25.440
<v Speaker 1>there's seasons I haven't seen. I need to really fine.

0:53:25.840 --> 0:53:30.000
<v Speaker 2>I went back after I had Lucy. When you're nursing,

0:53:30.040 --> 0:53:32.040
<v Speaker 2>you're kind of like stuck in one spot and sometimes

0:53:32.120 --> 0:53:33.799
<v Speaker 2>you're just like, oh god, I get you. You can't

0:53:33.840 --> 0:53:35.880
<v Speaker 2>really get anything done. So I was like, you know

0:53:35.880 --> 0:53:38.400
<v Speaker 2>what I'm gonna get done. I'm going to watch every

0:53:38.480 --> 0:53:40.360
<v Speaker 2>episode of drag Race. W that's ever happened?

0:53:40.520 --> 0:53:42.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god? How fun?

0:53:42.920 --> 0:53:46.160
<v Speaker 2>It was so so fun. It was a blast, and

0:53:46.200 --> 0:53:48.319
<v Speaker 2>I'm like so up to date on drag race that

0:53:48.400 --> 0:53:52.600
<v Speaker 2>I can really talk about anything related. But anyways, that

0:53:52.680 --> 0:53:54.200
<v Speaker 2>was a fun one to go back and watch from

0:53:54.239 --> 0:53:57.879
<v Speaker 2>the very beginning because also you know in twenty ten

0:53:58.000 --> 0:54:00.440
<v Speaker 2>or nine, I don't when did it start, like two

0:54:00.440 --> 0:54:05.600
<v Speaker 2>thousand and nine or something, that like glossy camera thing

0:54:05.640 --> 0:54:08.880
<v Speaker 2>that they did on America's Next Top Model. It was

0:54:08.920 --> 0:54:11.960
<v Speaker 2>empty at this time, so it still as MDV. You know,

0:54:12.000 --> 0:54:15.120
<v Speaker 2>it's changed networks aro out the years, but uh, they

0:54:15.120 --> 0:54:18.040
<v Speaker 2>have that funny like it's just so funny. And then

0:54:18.040 --> 0:54:22.040
<v Speaker 2>everybody's caught like outfits that they were wearing, like their

0:54:22.080 --> 0:54:23.560
<v Speaker 2>street wear was crazy.

0:54:23.960 --> 0:54:24.160
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:54:24.520 --> 0:54:27.399
<v Speaker 2>Wow, fashion has changed and not that long of a time.

0:54:27.520 --> 0:54:30.719
<v Speaker 2>And also it was like almost twenty years ago, what I.

0:54:30.760 --> 0:54:34.239
<v Speaker 1>Know, it feels like yesterday, and also like another millennia

0:54:34.360 --> 0:54:35.120
<v Speaker 1>and it's upsetting.

0:54:35.480 --> 0:54:37.759
<v Speaker 2>It makes it's upsetting me, like I feel like I

0:54:37.760 --> 0:54:41.480
<v Speaker 2>need to wear like low rise jeans with a with

0:54:41.600 --> 0:54:42.560
<v Speaker 2>a tank top.

0:54:42.920 --> 0:54:45.400
<v Speaker 1>I just think I'm never going to go back I missed.

0:54:45.840 --> 0:54:47.839
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know how much I missed the top half

0:54:47.840 --> 0:54:50.319
<v Speaker 1>of my pants until I got it and then was like, oh,

0:54:50.320 --> 0:54:51.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm never going to give this back to you.

0:54:52.560 --> 0:54:53.920
<v Speaker 2>Do you have a high butt crack?

0:54:54.280 --> 0:54:56.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't think so you would know.

0:54:57.040 --> 0:54:59.919
<v Speaker 2>I don't either. My best friend Craig has a very

0:55:00.040 --> 0:55:00.720
<v Speaker 2>high butt crack.

0:55:00.920 --> 0:55:03.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh, so he could never wear the low rise chains.

0:55:03.520 --> 0:55:05.840
<v Speaker 2>It's not a good moment for him. He just always

0:55:05.840 --> 0:55:09.239
<v Speaker 2>had butt crack out. Recently, I was like, your butt

0:55:09.280 --> 0:55:11.319
<v Speaker 2>crack is hanging out and your pants are like you

0:55:11.360 --> 0:55:13.239
<v Speaker 2>have the highest but crack of anybody I know.

0:55:13.880 --> 0:55:15.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh not in a low rise.

0:55:16.640 --> 0:55:19.200
<v Speaker 2>No, he just has a very high butt crack. That's

0:55:19.360 --> 0:55:21.560
<v Speaker 2>just a fun thing to look out for. Do you

0:55:21.600 --> 0:55:23.480
<v Speaker 2>have a high but crack or a low book crack?

0:55:24.719 --> 0:55:28.040
<v Speaker 1>It feels like a late night infomercial. You can sue.

0:55:29.080 --> 0:55:30.879
<v Speaker 2>You know, we should put it in We should put

0:55:30.920 --> 0:55:33.799
<v Speaker 2>it in sky Mall. Some underwear for people with high

0:55:33.840 --> 0:55:36.879
<v Speaker 2>butt cracks. Yes, do a high but crack. We've got

0:55:36.920 --> 0:55:38.840
<v Speaker 2>some nich So Niche.

0:55:38.880 --> 0:55:44.480
<v Speaker 1>It's probably a billion dollar idea. You just did a

0:55:44.600 --> 0:55:49.759
<v Speaker 1>Judy Garland puppet impression? Yes, and watch What Happens Live.

0:55:50.360 --> 0:55:51.280
<v Speaker 2>It's so weird.

0:55:51.520 --> 0:55:53.120
<v Speaker 1>How long have you been a puppeteer?

0:55:55.200 --> 0:55:59.160
<v Speaker 2>This was a character that was created in New World Plaza?

0:55:59.600 --> 0:56:00.600
<v Speaker 1>How did you do?

0:56:00.680 --> 0:56:03.200
<v Speaker 2>You know how it? Where it happened? Somehow? I was

0:56:03.200 --> 0:56:05.600
<v Speaker 2>with my friends and we were like somebody was like,

0:56:05.600 --> 0:56:08.960
<v Speaker 2>you do the worst impression of Liza Minelli I've ever seen,

0:56:09.160 --> 0:56:11.399
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, I know, you know, my lies

0:56:11.440 --> 0:56:13.799
<v Speaker 2>of Menelli impression is like if puppet Judy came back

0:56:13.800 --> 0:56:16.279
<v Speaker 2>from the dead of Judy, that carlt came back from

0:56:16.320 --> 0:56:19.400
<v Speaker 2>the dead as the puppet. That's my That's what my

0:56:19.560 --> 0:56:22.960
<v Speaker 2>lies of Menelli is. It's really came from Liza. Really,

0:56:23.280 --> 0:56:25.080
<v Speaker 2>the origin story of puppet Judy is.

0:56:25.120 --> 0:56:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Liza again, niche again. I know, I love it.

0:56:31.640 --> 0:56:33.160
<v Speaker 2>That's some game magic right there.

0:56:33.440 --> 0:56:36.239
<v Speaker 1>It sure is. Oh my god, I want to be

0:56:36.320 --> 0:56:37.479
<v Speaker 1>in the room for the next one.

0:56:38.600 --> 0:56:44.920
<v Speaker 3>Well, Judy, Judy makes an appearance, loves to making appearance.

0:56:46.280 --> 0:56:47.840
<v Speaker 3>She like she's had a rap.

0:56:49.640 --> 0:56:51.000
<v Speaker 1>I was just going to say, it sounds like Judy

0:56:51.080 --> 0:56:53.160
<v Speaker 1>has really been hitting the watch what Happens Live bar

0:56:54.239 --> 0:56:55.919
<v Speaker 1>back there mixing martinis for her.

0:56:55.960 --> 0:56:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Is sweet sweet? Was It was like it was like

0:57:00.040 --> 0:57:03.040
<v Speaker 2>the Judy Garland show, Judy, you know, like last five years, Judy,

0:57:03.160 --> 0:57:08.920
<v Speaker 2>Poor Judy, poor, poor sweet Judy, poor Judy. Oh I

0:57:08.920 --> 0:57:11.000
<v Speaker 2>know it makes me the last five years Judy. What

0:57:11.000 --> 0:57:14.040
<v Speaker 2>if Judy did the last five years? Nobody wants to

0:57:14.040 --> 0:57:14.440
<v Speaker 2>see that.

0:57:15.000 --> 0:57:20.240
<v Speaker 1>Nobody wants to see it, put it away, put it away. Well,

0:57:21.360 --> 0:57:24.760
<v Speaker 1>the show is amazing. There's so many wonderful things happening

0:57:24.840 --> 0:57:29.439
<v Speaker 1>in your life. You probably have a million things coming

0:57:29.440 --> 0:57:33.320
<v Speaker 1>down the pipeline. What when you kind of look around

0:57:33.400 --> 0:57:36.280
<v Speaker 1>and think about the rest of the year, what feels

0:57:36.320 --> 0:57:38.400
<v Speaker 1>like you're working progress.

0:57:39.160 --> 0:57:46.000
<v Speaker 2>My work in progress is I would say, I'm making

0:57:46.040 --> 0:57:49.200
<v Speaker 2>sure that I say yes to myself and take care

0:57:49.240 --> 0:57:53.560
<v Speaker 2>of myself. So I'm getting a second chance at being

0:57:55.160 --> 0:57:57.640
<v Speaker 2>a mom with a newborn again. You know, I had

0:57:57.680 --> 0:58:01.040
<v Speaker 2>my little boy eight years ago. And when you have

0:58:01.080 --> 0:58:03.040
<v Speaker 2>a little person that you're taking care of, not just

0:58:03.120 --> 0:58:05.000
<v Speaker 2>a little person, it can be any person in your

0:58:05.000 --> 0:58:07.000
<v Speaker 2>life that you're taking care of. If you have a partner,

0:58:07.520 --> 0:58:11.040
<v Speaker 2>if you have a you know, if you have a roommate. Like,

0:58:11.760 --> 0:58:13.320
<v Speaker 2>we take a lot of care of a lot of people,

0:58:13.360 --> 0:58:15.640
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, one of those people that doesn't take is

0:58:15.680 --> 0:58:17.560
<v Speaker 2>good of care of myself. And what I mean by

0:58:17.560 --> 0:58:19.920
<v Speaker 2>that is like, I'm good at taking my vitamins and

0:58:20.000 --> 0:58:22.800
<v Speaker 2>drinking my water, but I don't always say what I need.

0:58:22.840 --> 0:58:26.439
<v Speaker 2>And I just took something from our conversation about you saying,

0:58:26.440 --> 0:58:28.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm trying to learn, and I'm learning and

0:58:28.560 --> 0:58:31.520
<v Speaker 2>learning every day and talking about James and talking about

0:58:31.520 --> 0:58:36.160
<v Speaker 2>Sweet Linda and kind of the students of life not

0:58:36.240 --> 0:58:39.640
<v Speaker 2>just our craft that they were. Like. The lesson that

0:58:39.680 --> 0:58:41.720
<v Speaker 2>I take away from this conversation today was when you

0:58:41.760 --> 0:58:45.120
<v Speaker 2>were asking me about my process and I said, well,

0:58:45.200 --> 0:58:48.080
<v Speaker 2>I basically put everybody first and make sure that it

0:58:48.080 --> 0:58:50.840
<v Speaker 2>feels good for everybody else before it feels good for myself.

0:58:50.920 --> 0:58:54.520
<v Speaker 2>So that's something I'm working on. It's like telling people

0:58:54.520 --> 0:58:58.600
<v Speaker 2>what I need and telling myself what I need because

0:58:58.640 --> 0:59:02.920
<v Speaker 2>I think that's actually something I'm missing. So yeah, I

0:59:03.000 --> 0:59:04.400
<v Speaker 2>think that's going to be kind of one of the

0:59:04.400 --> 0:59:07.800
<v Speaker 2>goals of the year. You know, we've got to take

0:59:07.840 --> 0:59:08.520
<v Speaker 2>care of mama.

0:59:08.800 --> 0:59:11.400
<v Speaker 1>You gotta take care of put your oxygen mask on

0:59:11.560 --> 0:59:12.520
<v Speaker 1>before your neighbor.

0:59:13.040 --> 0:59:16.720
<v Speaker 2>Mama. Mama, Mama, Mama. We're seeing Gypsy this week. Actually,

0:59:17.360 --> 0:59:21.320
<v Speaker 2>on that note, I know can't wait. It's so excited.

0:59:21.320 --> 0:59:22.959
<v Speaker 2>It's my favorite. It's one of my favorite favorite shows.

0:59:23.000 --> 0:59:26.280
<v Speaker 2>I think it's in my top five very favorite shows.

0:59:26.880 --> 0:59:29.800
<v Speaker 1>I have not seen it in so long that you're

0:59:29.840 --> 0:59:31.880
<v Speaker 1>making me realize I should probably go see.

0:59:32.800 --> 0:59:36.160
<v Speaker 2>Yes new ress production is I can't wait to see

0:59:36.160 --> 0:59:39.800
<v Speaker 2>awdre be Mama ready or not? Here come.

0:59:43.160 --> 0:59:44.240
<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's going to be amazing.

0:59:44.280 --> 0:59:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Well let's go see some theater and for you for

0:59:46.440 --> 0:59:47.040
<v Speaker 2>the next year.

0:59:47.400 --> 0:59:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness. I don't totally No, it's like.

0:59:53.880 --> 0:59:56.120
<v Speaker 2>A you know, we're in there like I don't know

0:59:56.160 --> 0:59:57.200
<v Speaker 2>what's happening moment.

0:59:57.560 --> 0:59:59.280
<v Speaker 1>Well we've been in the I don't know what's happened.

0:59:59.320 --> 1:00:03.400
<v Speaker 1>I know, as in our like industry for so many years.

1:00:03.400 --> 1:00:06.280
<v Speaker 2>Now I'm like, oh, guys, try not to be in

1:00:06.320 --> 1:00:06.920
<v Speaker 2>fear space.

1:00:07.360 --> 1:00:10.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm trying to be in abundance. I have a

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<v Speaker 1>thing in development with some friends. I am working on

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<v Speaker 1>getting this like really funny queer rom com off the

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<v Speaker 1>ground with a great comedian that I know. I have

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<v Speaker 1>a movie coming out in June. And yeah, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to do like my favorite nerdy time. I'm guest

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<v Speaker 1>directing a documentary film festival.

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<v Speaker 2>Memorial Dazing. Yeah. So cool.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm like very amped about that. And yeah, just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of leaning into the to your point, like to

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<v Speaker 1>things that feel joyful and being excited about, like the rooms,

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<v Speaker 1>the people, the learning. I think the thing I've begun

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<v Speaker 1>learning about how obsessed with work and productivity I learned

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<v Speaker 1>to be when it became a badge of honor because

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<v Speaker 1>I was working on a show and like seventeen hour

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<v Speaker 1>days were exhausting, so we had to be convinced they

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<v Speaker 1>were amazing and like a proof of our dedication.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm starting to try to learn how to really

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<v Speaker 1>love my days even when they're not like overly adrenalized

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<v Speaker 1>and exhausting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm overwhelmed by all the things I'm doing in a way,

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<v Speaker 1>but I also realize, you know, at six o'clock on

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<v Speaker 1>many days now, I can turn it off, and I

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<v Speaker 1>just have never had that before, And I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 1>think of that as a privilege rather than to be

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<v Speaker 1>worried that I'm not doing enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Amen. Yeah, Yes, enjoy six o'clock. Go to go on

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<v Speaker 2>and buy fifty dollars worth of dinner.

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<v Speaker 1>Hottest club in La. Did you see that TikTok that

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<v Speaker 1>went around about the twenty dollars strawberry single strawberry at

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<v Speaker 1>Aralon in a plastic contention? I was like, we've jumped

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<v Speaker 1>the shark.

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<v Speaker 2>You were like, this is crazy, We've jumped the shark.

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<v Speaker 2>What's it?

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<v Speaker 1>Daste like, well, yeah, I was like, clearly I want one,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm not going to be that personal. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I've also always wanted to go to space, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going for eleven minutes in the middle of a recession.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally agree with you. We get to the thank you

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<v Speaker 2>too for claiming that. It's through that thank you, like,

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<v Speaker 2>what are we doing?

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<v Speaker 1>What are we doing?

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<v Speaker 2>I completely agree. It feels like upside down world. Yes

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<v Speaker 2>I do. There are times I love you Air One,

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<v Speaker 2>but when I go to your produce section, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll see you later. I will go get the other things,

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<v Speaker 2>but I will go get that weird key lime pie

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<v Speaker 2>that's made out of coconut and I don't know how

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<v Speaker 2>it tastes like key lime pie, but it has an

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<v Speaker 2>aftertaste that reminds you that it's not key lime pie.

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<v Speaker 2>But I will not buy your fifteen dollars grapes. I know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like there are things that I really want from there.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I also am the person that's like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to pay that for blueberries. I'll go to

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<v Speaker 1>the farmer's market on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, for sure, Yeah, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's where my duty comes out. I'm not paying

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<v Speaker 1>for those berries.

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<v Speaker 3>She would have been like bears, I don't even know

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<v Speaker 3>what we have. Beers A beers is nineteen four defect.

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<v Speaker 1>I live on vodka and a prayer.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Volcano my Canada day, Oh my god, I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for today, Congrats on the show. I'm amped

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<v Speaker 1>for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much. Thank you for having me, thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for inviting me into your magic space.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you, sweet soul.