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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, It's Sophia. Welcome to Work in Progress. Hello

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Speaker 1: whip smarties. Today we are joined by an actress that

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Speaker 1: I absolutely adore. I think she is one of the

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Speaker 1: most talented people in my generation. From Broadway to film

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Speaker 1: to TV, she is an absolute legend. She earned a

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Speaker 1: Primetime Emmy Award nomination for her performance as Irene in

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Speaker 1: the Hula limited series Welcome to Chippendale's. She received her

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Speaker 1: first Grammy nomination in the category Best Musical Theater Recording

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Speaker 1: of Sweeney Todd and like I mentioned one a Tony

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Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen. She is so funny, so charming and

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Speaker 1: just so wise. And next up she is starring in

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Speaker 1: the new series Happy Face, now streaming on Paramount Plus.

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Speaker 1: It is a true crime story inspired by the true

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Speaker 1: life story of Melissa G. Moore, a young woman who

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Speaker 1: discovered that her beloved father was actually the prolific serial

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Speaker 1: killer known as Happy Face. As an adult, she changed

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Speaker 1: her name and guarded her secret, but eventually decided to

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Speaker 1: start working in advocacy, supporting victims who have experience with

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Speaker 1: this kind of crime. She's absolutely incredible, and today I'm

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Speaker 1: going to ask Annalie all about what it's like to

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Speaker 1: do this show what her favorite lessons are from Broadway,

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Speaker 1: film and or television, and what Real Housewives series is

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Speaker 1: her favorite. Let's dive in with Annalie Ashford.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: I'm so amped that you're here, and I'm also laughing

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Speaker 1: because we've had the most ridiculous I don't know how

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Speaker 1: long we've been doing this ten minutes of trying to

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Speaker 1: get our audio things to work. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you folks at home are going to get any of

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Speaker 1: that treat, but we've had a nice giggle.

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Speaker 2: It was really good. I feel really good about how

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Speaker 2: I look my posture right now. My posture is not

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Speaker 2: a result of me trying to have good posture or

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Speaker 2: me trying to be good to my spine, but it's

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Speaker 2: really just because my microphone set up as bizarre.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, did you get one of those

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Speaker 1: chairs that like you put your you put your calves in,

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Speaker 1: and then it's supposed to make you sit up straight.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you can see my chair has ears?

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Speaker 2: Can you see his like bunny ears?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: But maybe I should get one of those you put

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Speaker 2: your calves in? It is that the real thing?

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Speaker 1: I think it's like an ergonomic thing. Is that the

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Speaker 1: right word?

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Speaker 2: Do you get it in the magazine that you get

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Speaker 2: on when you go on the plane?

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Speaker 1: Probably sky Mall? Yes, I'm it feels like something you

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Speaker 1: could get on sky.

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Speaker 2: Have you seen a sky mall lately? I have not.

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Speaker 1: I haven't, but honestly, I think they should bring them.

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Speaker 2: Back in paper please. Yeah, that sounds like a very

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Speaker 2: delightful treat when boarding an airplane.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I think we deserve more air traffic controllers and.

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Speaker 2: More hallelujah right invent to both as.

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Speaker 1: Two people talking about our travel schedules. I'm like, just please,

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Speaker 1: please keep the planes in the air. That's all I want.

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Speaker 2: I've had a couple of rough landings recently, and I

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Speaker 2: have prayed in a way that was different that will

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Speaker 2: feel very uncomfortable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like, oh, this, this is what it means

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Speaker 1: to strike terror into one's heart. It's happening to me.

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Speaker 1: I understand that turn a phrase.

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Speaker 2: Now, Oh my god in so many ways like oh.

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Speaker 1: Yea yea, which is also a lot like people who

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Speaker 1: do what we do, who you know, play in the

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Speaker 1: circus for a living and try to pretend they're not

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Speaker 1: anxious all the time. What are you talking about what

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Speaker 1: when that happens to me, I'm like, oh, interesting, I

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Speaker 1: didn't know it could go up from ten, but now

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Speaker 1: we're at a twelve, and that's what a twelve feels like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we live in like a low level, constant pulse

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Speaker 2: of anxiety and then you know, yeah, when it gets

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Speaker 2: ramped up, you're like, oh, do I need a full

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Speaker 2: xanax right now or just to send about would you

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Speaker 2: like a rantl PAM or would you just like a propanel? Oh,

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Speaker 2: I said the fancy name for beta blocker?

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Speaker 1: Is that what that is?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, propanol, it's a beta blocker. Have you dived into

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I had like a weird COVID thing almost two

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Speaker 1: years ago, which was deeply scary and also really humbling

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Speaker 1: because when I was like, no, I'm a very healthy

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Speaker 1: person and I understand that, like, you know, a fourth

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Speaker 1: also my job requires me to be in large theaters

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Speaker 1: of people. What do you want from me? And then

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Speaker 2: You should be.

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Speaker 1: You do know that the number one horrible side effect

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Speaker 1: of COVID for women between forty and fifty is cardiac issues.

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Speaker 1: And I literally if I was like it was like

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Speaker 1: I was so offended and I was like, I'm barely forty.

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Speaker 1: you know that sort of like trauma that freezes you

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Speaker 1: they were kind of like, welcome to adulthood, lady, and

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Speaker 2: You said, where's my recipim.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I guess I'll take all this heart

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Speaker 1: medication and go sit next to Morty at the cardiac center. No,

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Speaker 1: it was like me and a bunch of old dudes

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Speaker 1: I was like, this would be like such a cute

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Speaker 1: little series of shorts. And then I was like, probably

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Speaker 1: super inappropriate to ask all these people to violate their

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Speaker 1: own hippa as well to be on camera with me.

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Speaker 1: But if I could, it would just be so cute.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you could. I want to know their life

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Speaker 2: stories already. I'm in. It was like it was me

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Speaker 2: and the old guys, you and Morty. Did Morty take

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Speaker 2: lorez pan?

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Speaker 1: I didn't ask him what he was taking, but he

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Speaker 1: he walked with his little cane like he was in

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Speaker 1: a little dance routine a lot, and I really was adorable.

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Speaker 2: To me, Marty sounds fantastic.

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Speaker 1: He had a great sense of humor.

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Speaker 2: Is he in show viz chovas adjacent?

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Speaker 1: I feel like probably showing going to like the nice

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Speaker 1: of those guys were you have?

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Speaker 2: You had no idea? But he was the boom operator

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Speaker 1: Right, He's like I was the one. I'm tod Robert

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Speaker 2: Wait did you take propinall? Was that? Why? I mean?

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Speaker 1: I like took all sorts of I had to get

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Speaker 1: Like one of the worst things was the they would

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Speaker 1: But like when I first, you know, got back from

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Speaker 2: Flush in your pelvic region. Uh huh, I know.

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Speaker 1: And I was like a warm flush. I was like,

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Speaker 2: It's such a weird feeling.

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Speaker 1: It's not great.

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Speaker 2: No. It's also like, why don't you just say you're

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Speaker 2: gonna make it. It's gonna feel like you peed your

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Speaker 1: It's going to feel like you peed your pants with

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Speaker 1: I mean I was very unwell at the time. The

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Speaker 1: get on longer flights again, buddy, it wasn't as bad.

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Speaker 2: You know, it could have been a combo platter. It

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Speaker 2: left leftover COVID in you pelvic pation.

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Speaker 1: It could have just been the high inflammation I was

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Speaker 2: Do you know what else does that to you? Is

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Speaker 2: magnesium pushes? Have you ever gotten a magnesium push? Wait?

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Speaker 1: No, but I got an NA D one.

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Speaker 2: I haven't done. What it feel like? Will you tell me?

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Speaker 1: Felt like someone put from like tit to tit ribcage

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Speaker 1: not like that nuts, Yeah, but I was like, there

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Speaker 1: stuff they're doing in Switzerland. I was like, what are

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Speaker 1: I did a lot of research on NAD and was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: down the trip. And I was like, I just don't

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Speaker 1: know if I'm made for this stuff. You guys, Like,

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Speaker 1: I was like, now I'm forty, I don't want to

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Speaker 1: I don't want to touch it.

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Speaker 2: But it was surren I've taken it orally. Okay, I've

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Speaker 2: taken it orally just the pills, you know, like uh.

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Speaker 1: With the lorazapammer separately, not at the same time. Okay.

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Speaker 2: You know, sometimes if nobody was around it take them

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Speaker 2: at the same time. Lorazza pan is usually like a

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Speaker 2: night before a bed situation when I'm having like bad

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Speaker 2: anxiety and I can't sleep, I use it instead of

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Speaker 2: it's but I can tell if I'm really like really struggling,

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Speaker 2: if I'm having like I'm gonna have a panic attack moment,

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Speaker 2: then I'll take a full one and not pass out,

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Speaker 2: which really means you needed it, wow, because.

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Speaker 1: Your your adrenaline is really burning through. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And then but the NAD I didn't real I just

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Speaker 2: was taking it for immune system stuff. But I've never

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Speaker 2: talking for ninety minutes straight. And one of our friends,

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Speaker 2: who's a fantastic actress, Crystal Dickinson, she was like, Joe,

439
00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,240
Speaker 2: you know that you're not playing that part, but your

440
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 2: body doesn't know that you're not playing that part. So

441
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 2: you know that great book, The Body keeps the Score. Yes,

442
00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 2: you know, that's actually like a great such a beautiful book.

443
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,479
Speaker 2: And sometimes I think it's a great book for actors

444
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 2: to read because it's a really like healthy reminder that

445
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 2: you do indeed need rest because you're putting your body

446
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 2: through this marathon, not only physically, but like emotionally. I'm

447
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,360
Speaker 2: really steadfast, and like we leave it at the door

448
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,199
Speaker 2: when we leave, you know, leave it, leave it at

449
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,720
Speaker 2: your trigger when you walk you know, when you walk away.

450
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 2: And I really believe in like the separation of it.

451
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 2: Like I loved. One of the things I loved about

452
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 2: Severance when it came out was that it helped me

453
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,400
Speaker 2: explain actor brain, you know really, and it's like kind

454
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Speaker 2: of like Severance, you like, you become a different person

455
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 2: for a little bit, and then you've got to be

456
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 2: like and come back to you. You can't like lave

457
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,159
Speaker 2: in it. You can't sit in that, especially when you're

458
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Speaker 2: playing the dark stuff totally.

459
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Speaker 1: But you're right, your body doesn't know the difference rents.

460
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 1: So if you film a scene where your partner or

461
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:08,239
Speaker 1: your sibling dies for eight hours on set one day, like,

462
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,959
Speaker 1: it's in your body and you've got to figure out

463
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 1: how to get it out of your body and also

464
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: not apologize for how insane it sounds to say, oh,

465
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: this trauma is in my body totally.

466
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 2: The certain scores too, and these people stay inside your

467
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,199
Speaker 2: bones in a way that you're like, why do I

468
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 2: feel so heavy? Like when we were doing studying in

469
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Speaker 2: the park with George. This score is one of the

470
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Speaker 2: best scores that's ever been written, in my opinion, but

471
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 2: it's also half of it's in minor. It doesn't really

472
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 2: resolve until the last song. There's this beautiful chord that resolves,

473
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Speaker 2: and it's kind of when the piece resolves, So the

474
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 2: majority of the play you're kind of living in this

475
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 2: there's a chord that's repeated over and over again, and

476
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 2: it's a minor, so it's uncomfortable. It's like, sounds simple

477
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,280
Speaker 2: to just say it's sad, but it's like very it's

478
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 2: like melancholy. And then the last song of the first

479
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: act and the second act it's called Sunday and it's

480
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 2: a it's the funeral March, which is also like beautiful,

481
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 2: but you know it's melancholy. Yeah, sad, sad. So it

482
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 2: stays in your bones, it stays in your guts.

483
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,440
Speaker 1: It really does. How do you how do you work

484
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: on processing that out? Like when you talk about the

485
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: severance experience and you and your husband both you know,

486
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 1: do this job. So thank god someone gets your your

487
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: thing when you come home, But how have you kind

488
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: of figured out in your personal life and your individual

489
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: life how to shake all those cobwebs and chords out

490
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Speaker 1: of your body.

491
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Speaker 2: I disassociate cool.

492
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Speaker 1: I did that for a really long time.

493
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Speaker 2: It's really a healthy no.

494
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Speaker 1: I used to sort of wear it as a badge

495
00:24:58,280 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: of honor. I'd be like that it gets to me

496
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 1: and and eventually I was like, this is deeply emotionally.

497
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 2: Unheathy, like I'm exploding. I don't know why.

498
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: That's so weird that I woke up and I don't

499
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 1: know whose life I'm living or who lives in my

500
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: house with me and I don't know why this happened.

501
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, that's one way. I A long

502
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 2: time ago, I watched this great interview that Emma Thompson

503
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 2: did I Larry King, and she explained that she liked

504
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 2: the game of being able to walk on and pop

505
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 2: right in, like walk right on stage and be able

506
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 2: to be right in, like do enough homework that you

507
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 2: can slip in and slip out like really with ease,

508
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,719
Speaker 2: and so really like the goal is to have as

509
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 2: much homework as you can done. And also flexibility, yeah

510
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:55,919
Speaker 2: have For me, I find that if all the homework

511
00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 2: is there and I in a safe environment, then I

512
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 2: feel comfortable being really flexible and I can kind of

513
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: slide in and out. And I make myself kind of

514
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 2: slide in and out. So if we're doing something really dark,

515
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 2: I kind of give the crew, like and everybody there

516
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 2: like a breath to know that they can laugh, that

517
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 2: we can joke around, like let's have some light. But

518
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 2: that does not work for everybody. So I'm like really

519
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 2: careful making sure kind of what the other actors need.

520
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 2: But I sometimes need that because I'm such an mpath. Yeah,

521
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 2: but I can feel the crew and I feel like

522
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 2: what everybody else is kind of navigating, and I don't

523
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 2: want them to like be in a state for five

524
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 2: hours where they feel like they have to be like

525
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 2: silent and walk on it. You know. I don't know,

526
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 2: there's something kind of about the energy of the whole

527
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 2: day that feels lighter and brighter if we can all laugh,

528
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,440
Speaker 2: like we need to be reverent of whatever we're working

529
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 2: on in the moment. But I always think back to

530
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 2: that amazing interview that i'm A Thompson did, and I

531
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 2: just kind of want to be like her. So I

532
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 2: kind of I like, this is going to sound insane,

533
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 2: but I play like a little game with myself. I like, Okay,

534
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 2: when can you slip out? Can you slip back in?

535
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 2: Like how can you weave in and out of character?

536
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 2: Like basically can you go through the severance elevator?

537
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: Yeah?

538
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 2: But that but that doesn't always like make sense for everybody,

539
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,439
Speaker 2: So I don't I kind of take a tip from

540
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 2: whoever I'm working with and kind of navigate around them

541
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 2: as well, what do you do?

542
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: Oh, that's really cool. I think I'm always kind of learning,

543
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: you know. I feel like part of the goal right

544
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: of being alive is to learn more and navigate better

545
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: and like the thing I've really been so I'm kind

546
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: of meditating on and I didn't have the language for

547
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: it when I turned thirty. I think I discovered the

548
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: language for it when I turned forty. And I realize

549
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: it's been this exploration over the last ten years is

550
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: how to hold more and more things to be true

551
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: at the same time, so to be able to say

552
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: the set I'm on. Let's say we're doing a movie together.

553
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,719
Speaker 1: Our set is incredibly safe and it's dangerous. Yeah, it

554
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: has to be so we can be in the scene.

555
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: You know, I am completely in control and I am

556
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: completely out of control in this space. I've done all

557
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: my homework so I can slip in. And also I

558
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 1: don't know what the fuck's going on and I could

559
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: be surprised, like yeah, And you know I can in

560
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: my personal world in activism, I can hold things I

561
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: know to be true to be true, I e. What

562
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: makes democracy work and what doesn't. Social science data matters

563
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: like kids do better when they have lunch at school.

564
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: Defunding school lunches is psychotic, and I have to figure

565
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: out why someone who is pro defunding school lunches got

566
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: that way and I have to be able to listen

567
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: to what they believe to be true so that I

568
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: can then have a conversation with them rather than an argument,

569
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: and maybe we come to a new thing instead of

570
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: we get in a fight and then they never want

571
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: to change their mind, you know. So it's like, yeah,

572
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: there's something about that for me. And so the way

573
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: I think about it is like every year, I want

574
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: to feel like I've learned more and shifted my capability

575
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: or expanded my opinion or tolerance or whatever. But also

576
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: it's weird because it's like, yeah, sometimes I find that

577
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: the interest in so many things and wanting to take

578
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: a cue from my coworkers or my crew means that

579
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: I start thinking about what everybody else is doing and

580
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: what everybody else needs, and making sure everybody else has

581
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: everything that is going to make their day go great.

582
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: And then I realize I haven't done anything for myself. Yeah,

583
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: And so it's like, I don't know, it's a bit

584
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: like being in like the spin cycle, but I think

585
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: if I can stay aware of it, at least I

586
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: can sort of stay on top of.

587
00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: The water totally. You know, As you were saying all

588
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: of that, The first thing I thought of was my

589
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 2: husband says, two things can be true at the same

590
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: time all the time, and it's actually like, it's a

591
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: great way to argue with somebody, as you said, it's

592
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 2: a great way to resolve, it's a great way to reset,

593
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: and it's also a great way to have common ground

594
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: and also keep a conversation going. And then the other

595
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 2: thing that you just said. As you were talking, I

596
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 2: had a realization that my whole explanation was about people

597
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 2: pleasing and just making everybody else feel good.

598
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: On the set.

599
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 2: Parents like, yeah, you know sometimes and the one thing

600
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: about what we do for a living, which is super

601
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: fun and all the things, but it is also navigating

602
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: personalities constant. It's a really social profession, and sometimes it's

603
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 2: just easier when everybody's happy, or it's easier when everybody

604
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: is having a better day. It's easier when the vibe

605
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 2: is good. I would say that that's true for any

606
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: anybody's job. Yeah, and sometimes I think, unfortunately, when you

607
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,719
Speaker 2: should be able to just invest in the scene and

608
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: be completely focused on that, sometimes you can't. You have

609
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 2: to yeah, also be wearing other hats, and sometimes I

610
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 2: think that that makes my job easier to make everybody

611
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 2: else happy. But really, now that I'm listening to myself,

612
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: I like, I'm just people placing and making people.

613
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: But I think it's both your thanks can be.

614
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 2: True at the same time.

615
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, they sure. Again, I think the thing about it

616
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: is my natural instinct is to make sure everybody else

617
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: is good first. I'm trying to learn to also make

618
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: sure I'm good in that first past.

619
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

620
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: And I think there's something interesting too, right, Like, the

621
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,479
Speaker 1: longer you do this job, the more gratitude you have

622
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 1: for the you know, relative success you have. Then it's

623
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: like if a new kid comes on set and isn't

624
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: checking on every department head, nobody expects them to. They're like,

625
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: do you even know what a department head is?

626
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

627
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: But when you've been doing this as long as we have,

628
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: if you don't, it's kind of like actor with an attitude,

629
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: and you're like, no, I'm just I have to deliver

630
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: like a two page monologue today and I'm running my

631
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: lines in my head. I'm so sorry. I'm not actually

632
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: not thinking about what you need. I just don't want

633
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: to waste your time. Yes, So again, it's likely it's

634
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: spin cycle stuff. And I think a lot about when

635
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: I thought about it a lot getting ready for today,

636
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: because you have such an amazing career from like Broadway

637
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: to film to TV. You know, it's crazy to think

638
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: that you want a Tony in twenty fifteen, like talk

639
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: about the spin cycle of You've got so many irons

640
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: in the fire when you look back at sort of

641
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: all these spaces you've worked in and different environments, like

642
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: is there a mentor who stands out to you? Is

643
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: there is there a kind of advice, you know, whether

644
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 1: it's how to stay focused as an actor or I

645
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: don't know, how to like not lose your mind on location,

646
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: Like what what are the standouts for you when you

647
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: kind of look back and you realize what your biggest

648
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: sort of inspirations or maybe nuggets of wisdom are for

649
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: the for the next chapter.

650
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: Well, that was really nice of you to talk about

651
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: my career that way. Also, I like to say it

652
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 2: in the mic like.

653
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: This amazing, Like you have had the really amazing career. Congratulations.

654
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 2: I'm just hey, I'm just really happy that I've gotten

655
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Speaker 2: to work. You know, I always love when people are like, so,

656
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Speaker 2: how did you choose this role? I'm always like, I

657
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 2: don't know. Is that a like, you know, we answer

658
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: that question a lot too, like we've chose it most

659
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Speaker 2: of the time. Actors don't choose what they're doing most

660
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Speaker 2: of the time. We really that's like the that would

661
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Speaker 2: be the you know, well that is the dream some

662
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Speaker 2: people do. And I think you, yes, you do choose

663
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Speaker 2: the things you get to work on because you say

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Speaker 2: yes or no. But you're the majority of your career

665
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:17,359
Speaker 2: is you seeking out work. And also I just think

666
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 2: it's so rare that we get to go yes, I

667
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 2: will bless you with my blessings. You know, it's usually

668
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 2: like a collabor it's a collaborative art form, so I

669
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 2: think it comes together as collaboration as well too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that.

671
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Speaker 2: So the few jobs that I have just been offered

672
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 2: in my life, oh, it's felt like a miracle, you know.

673
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 2: With the moment that I got to choose for the

674
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: first time, it was like it also felt really scary.

675
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: You're like, I get to choose, this feels crazy. But

676
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: on that note, the people that I've learned from I

677
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 2: learned from everybody that I ever work with, whether it's

678
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: a good experience or a bad experience, because there's always

679
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 2: something to learn. But I just recently got to go

680
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: to James Earl Jones's memorial, which was like like theater church.

681
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 2: It was so beautiful. It was really overwhelming, and you know,

682
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: felt like the end of an era in so many ways.

683
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: He felt like somebody who was just going to live

684
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: forever to me, and he will live forever. The thing

685
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 2: that he taught me while working was something that you

686
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: said earlier is he was the forever student. He was

687
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 2: always learning, he was always finding something new in the play.

688
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 2: Up until the last weekend. He brought me and Christy Nilsen,

689
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 2: who played my Mom, into his dressing room and he

690
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 2: was like, I would like to try something new in

691
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 2: the scene that comes right after you, and you know,

692
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 2: I had an idea that he wanted to try, and

693
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 2: we had four performances left. Wow. He would run scenes

694
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 2: from Othello with my husband in his dressing room on

695
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 2: Thursday afternoons that like halfway through the and he was like,

696
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 2: I'd like to run these scenes with you. I always,

697
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: you know, wanted to work on them again. I never

698
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: quite cracked them. They've just always, you know, the poetry's

699
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 2: always been a thorn in my side. There were things

700
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 2: about that piece that he wanted to revisit, so he

701
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: just like came in and worked on them. Talk about

702
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 2: a forever student. And then the other person who also

703
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 2: just recently passed and I thought would just live forever

704
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 2: was Linda Lavin. She like was so such a dear

705
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 2: friend and so funny and warm, and you know, she

706
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: was such a such a legend but also such a

707
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 2: pro And the way she would walk onto the set

708
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 2: of a of a multicam was like ready or not,

709
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: here comes mama. You know, that is her medium. And

710
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 2: she knew like the back for hand, but she could

711
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 2: make you laugh and still be honest at the same time.

712
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 2: But what she taught me was, you know, I'd have

713
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 2: a couple of rough moments here there, and I'd come

714
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,439
Speaker 2: in in her dressing room and we would talk about

715
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: alan on together. She was a big allan on person

716
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 2: and I'm an all on person, and we would talk

717
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: about forgiveness and letting things go. And I think that's

718
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 2: a forgiveness is something that we don't talk enough about

719
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: in the workspace, whether it be our business that we're

720
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: in or every workspace. You have to be able to

721
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 2: like let go and let God and move on and

722
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 2: forgive people and reset. You have to really be able

723
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:32,879
Speaker 2: to reset without holding on to resentment. So I would say,

724
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 2: you know, those two were great teachers.

725
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Speaker 1: Wow, that's so cool. And now a word from our

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Speaker 1: these mediums to come into this new space and do

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Speaker 1: happy face?

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Speaker 2: Like?

730
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Speaker 1: Where did it come from?

731
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Speaker 2: When somebody says do you want to come to this drub?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's one of those I know.

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Speaker 2: You know, well, I'm so lucky. I've kind of been. Uh,

734
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 2: I've been an actor who people often connect me with

735
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 2: whatever they saw me in last which is actually like

736
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: sort of the greatest gift, you know, they kind of

737
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: just you know, some people think of me as Buddy

738
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 2: and Masters of Sex, and some people are like, oh,

739
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 2: I saw you play Missus love It and Sweeney Todd

740
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 2: or you know, Dot and whatever. They saw me and

741
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: Kikaboots or or they Sabby Positive whatever. But these are

742
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 2: all like really different kinds of shows. Like they've all

743
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 2: done really really different pieces tonally genre. You know, some

744
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: are comedy, some are drama, and then yeah it's like

745
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 2: a crime drama. There's levity. Michael Showalter directed it, and

746
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 2: he's so funny and great. So he gave he really

747
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 2: set the tone for us and gave us a breath

748
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 2: of dark comedy, which I think was important for me.

749
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, I was, Hey, it's a fantastic true story

750
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:16,240
Speaker 2: with a great character with an incredible conflict. She's really

751
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: vulnerable and cannot not be vulnerable. There's nothing better at

752
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 2: playing a character that's just like the griven. Circumstances will

753
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 2: just forever be complicated and uncomfortable for her. So she's

754
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 2: going to be vulnerable.

755
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like she can't hold it back.

756
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, if you had a father who was

757
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 2: a serial killer, that would just be a conflict that

758
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 2: just never ends.

759
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: I literally can't imagine. Okay, will you tell the folks

760
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: at home who are like, what are they talking about?

761
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: What is Happy Face? In case they've been living under

762
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: a rock, can you give them the log line?

763
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 2: Yes, there was a real life serial killer in the

764
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 2: nineties called the Happy Face Murderer, and his daughter came

765
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 2: out as his daughter and has become an advocate for

766
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 2: folks who've been touched by the trauma of true and

767
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 2: so this is this is the telling of her story.

768
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 2: Her story is all based on true events, but we've

769
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 2: really wanted to be respectful of the victims involved in

770
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 2: the real life crime. So the crime elements are fictionalized.

771
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Speaker 1: Okay, so they're inspired by things that have happened, but

772
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: then fictionalized so that it doesn't drudge up sort of

773
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: historical trauma for people who've survived or for surviving family.

774
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And you know, one of the things that I

775
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 2: think the show reminds us is not only are we

776
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 2: unaware of all of the victims and the victims' families

777
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 2: when we consume true crime, you know, of the you know,

778
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 2: the way that we do in pop culture, me included,

779
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 2: and why do we like to watch them? Like why

780
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 2: do we like true crime?

781
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: Right?

782
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: If you think about it, it's mystery. We want to

783
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 2: know who solved it, you know, like and who did it?

784
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 2: And then we want to know why and how because

785
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 2: it helps keep us safer, helps protect us from it

786
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 2: happening to us. And then also I think one of

787
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 2: the questions that my character and the real life Melissa

788
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 2: grapples with is why and how and if it happened

789
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 2: to somebody that is related to you, can it happen

790
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 2: to you? You know? And yeah, she carries around this

791
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 2: like bag of guilt and shame for the rest of

792
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: her life because of something that her father did, not

793
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:33,439
Speaker 2: because of something she did.

794
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, what has it been like to get to know

795
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: Melissa more because she is the woman that you portray

796
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: have have you two been able to just sit and

797
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: kind of unpack those things together or does that feel

798
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 1: too intimate to you? And are you like I want

799
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: to have a dinner, but I don't want to know,

800
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: so I don't drive myself crazy, Like how do you

801
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 1: thread that needle as a performer.

802
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 2: Well, as you know most of the most of your information,

803
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 2: you should hopefully be able to get from the script,

804
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 2: and if you don't, that's when you go looking out elsewhere.

805
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: So I really had everything I needed in the script.

806
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: And so when we first started working, you know, our

807
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 2: incredible showrunner jun Casicio, was like, do you want to

808
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 2: talk to Melissa? And she's like, I also have letters.

809
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 2: I have all the letters that her dad sent her,

810
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 2: which are a big part of our story. Which side note,

811
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 2: this is crazy. Jen had all of her letters, had

812
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 2: all of Melissa's letters. Our showrunner had all of the

813
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 2: real Melissa Moore's letters from her dad from prison in

814
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 2: her house in Alta, Dina and her house burnt down. No,

815
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: so when we started doing the press tour, she had

816
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: to tell Melissa, I have to tell you all of

817
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 2: your letters were in my house and they're gone. And

818
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 2: Melissa was like, you know, that's actually a relief because

819
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 2: I never knew what to do with him. This was

820
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 2: such a conflict for me, which is really the inner struggle,

821
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 2: the inner conflict of my character out you know, the series,

822
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 2: not just this season is you know, what do you

823
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: do when you love the memory of the man before

824
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: he was the monster? You know, what do you do

825
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 2: with that? That trauma? So how about that crazy? So anyways,

826
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Speaker 2: I actually when I would look at those letters, I

827
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 2: started to read some of them and I went, you know,

828
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: I actually don't need to read this. It felt like

829
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 2: I was like looking into somebody's drawers that I didn't

830
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 2: need to look into it. And also Melissa and I

831
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 2: actually didn't connect before, and I almost was relieved because

832
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: I knew that we would connect on the other side.

833
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: And during the press tour, I learned so much from

834
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 2: her about the machine of true crime and how it

835
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 2: affects real people and how every time one of these

836
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: shows happens, how it can retraumatize, you know, families on

837
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: both sides of the courthouse, and we just we learned

838
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: so much from her. But I but I actually didn't

839
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 2: need didn't need that before we started.

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Speaker 1: Oh well yeah, I almost imagine it allowed you to

841
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: have your own journey and experience without the pressure of

842
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: trying to also carry someone else's.

843
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you know you also you feel a

844
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:20,399
Speaker 2: responsibility to to share their story with compassion, and her

845
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: advocacy work was really important to us. Yeah, and also

846
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: she's got great empathy in the way that she talks

847
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 2: to victims, so that was really important. But uh, that's beautiful, Yeah,

848
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 2: wild story.

849
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: Something I thought was so cool that you said talking

850
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: about this was that, yes, it's a true crime show,

851
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: but it's really a different kind of take. You said

852
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: in another interview that it doesn't glorify the killer or

853
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: show any acts of violence against women, and that was

854
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 1: such a light bulb for me. I was like, that's

855
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: so important because, whether we realize it or not, these

856
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: things we show, these reenactments on so many shows, you know,

857
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:07,280
Speaker 1: in this genre, they they show things they normalize. By nature,

858
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,439
Speaker 1: you watch something and you become desensitized in a way,

859
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: even if you're shocked or scared or whatever, do you

860
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: think now that you know you're on the other side

861
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: of so much of that press tour and everything. Has

862
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,439
Speaker 1: it made you think about the ways we approach these

863
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 1: stories and maybe how we should think about the way

864
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 1: we engage with true crime.

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Speaker 2: It has absolutely changed the way that I consume true crime. Wow,

866
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 2: it has. You know, we know that it's real people,

867
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 2: but we don't know it's real people. You're not really

868
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 2: acknowledging it. It's just another way that we're consuming entertainment.

869
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:56,479
Speaker 2: And most of the shows in this genre are through

870
00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 2: the mail lens. There are oftentimes even from the serial

871
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 2: killer's point of view. You know, we spend a lot

872
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 2: of time with the killer, why, how, where? And we're

873
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 2: never really with a female point of view in this world.

874
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 2: And then the other thing that was really unique about

875
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 2: the show is it's a show about violence with no violence.

876
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: We don't see dead bodies all over the forest. That's

877
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 2: always a relief to not have to see a dead

878
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: girl in the in the forest. You know, you do

879
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 2: not see that on our show. You hear about it,

880
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: which is maybe even sometimes more uncomfortable in some ways,

881
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 2: but I think that there's no way around that because

882
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 2: it's a reminder that this person did these horrific things

883
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 2: to women, and the way he talks about them is

884
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 2: so flippant and disgusting. But again, it's I think it's

885
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: a show that is trying to give back agency to

886
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,959
Speaker 2: women in a in a space where men have had

887
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 2: it all. You know, they've been the detectives, they've been

888
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 2: the killers, and really the women have just been the

889
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:02,439
Speaker 2: victims and the family.

890
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: And now for our sponsors, what was it like to

891
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: unpack this stuff with Dennis Quaid because you know, he's

892
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: got to play your father, which means he has to

893
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: play this man you're talking about, you know, this person

894
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: who speaks about women so flippantly and was so violent

895
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: toward them. Like, were there ever days where he just said,

896
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: I really hate this. You know, how do you as

897
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,399
Speaker 1: actors figure that out?

898
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: He was very clear right when we started working on

899
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 2: this that he wanted to make sure that there would

900
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 2: be no glorification of this man. Yeah, and I think

901
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 2: that's why he was interested in working on it, because

902
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 2: you know, it's her story, it's not his. He's very

903
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 2: outspoken about that when we talk about the show, He's like,

904
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: this is not my story, this is Melissa's story. Yeah,

905
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 2: And I also think the two of us had a

906
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: really natural, easy chemistry. You know, I keep saying, like

907
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 2: we always talk about the chemistry that you have with

908
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 2: actors when you're playing like romantic scenes with them, but

909
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 2: we forget about like you need chemistry when you're playing

910
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 2: friends with people, and you really need a unique chemistry

911
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 2: to play family with somebody. And they have this totally complicated,

912
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 2: uncomfortable father daughter relationship, but it was really easy for us.

913
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 2: It's just like you could feel that there was love

914
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 2: right away, which was great because that's the thing that

915
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 2: she has to fight and that's the that's the conflict.

916
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 2: So yeah, he was He's he was such a great

917
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 2: casting choice because he's so like charming and naturally likable

918
00:48:54,680 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 2: and he's still really vulnerable in moments. She could have

919
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 2: just played it like a you know, like a psychopath,

920
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 2: but psychopaths are also complicated. That's what I'm interesting to

921
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 2: watch well, And how.

922
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: Cool to have an actor who really wanted to help

923
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: an audience understand why people were charmed by this man,

924
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: why it took so long probably to catch him. Why

925
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: you know all of these things. It's like, weirdly, in

926
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: order to do Melissa's story the service it deserves, her

927
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: father has to be played well.

928
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, you don't understand her conflict if you don't

929
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 2: like him a little bit. Yeah, which is also you

930
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 2: feel uncomfortable.

931
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: It makes me uncomfortab No, it makes me feel achy.

932
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 2: Really at the end of it, it makes you question

933
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 2: what would you do if your parent, why you're sibling,

934
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 2: or your spouse, or your child, or your friend. What

935
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 2: would you do if somebody did something like this?

936
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: I can't imagine.

937
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 2: You would blame a part of yourself. You would forever

938
00:49:58,200 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 2: live with shame, You would for ever live with guilt,

939
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 2: and you would forever want to be of service to

940
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 2: the people that he affected and the victims' families, you know,

941
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 2: which is what this woman has done. She's become an advocate. Yes.

942
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Wow, it's pretty amazing and I'm so glad that

943
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: you know, despite what a strange world it is to

944
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: dip into, it's been such a positive experience. I want

945
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: to ask you something completely opposite for you know, our

946
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,240
Speaker 1: aforementioned need for levity. Yeah, it's a heavy chat.

947
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you want to take a left turn. Two things

948
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 2: can be true at the same time.

949
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: Totally, we can be very vulnerable and also very silly.

950
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: I getting away from true crime, but in the reality genre.

951
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: I know you are a very big Bravo fan.

952
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you want to see about?

953
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: I just want to know, like what your favorite Bravo show.

954
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 2: Is right now? Well, Beverly Hills realis of Beverly Hills

955
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 2: is all the highlight. But I would also say I

956
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 2: think that Summerhouse is giving us a nice run right

957
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 2: now because the Page and Craig breakup. We've been watching

958
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,920
Speaker 2: it play out both in Southern Charm and now in Summerhouse.

959
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 2: To watch it from.

960
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: It goes across shows.

961
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Craig knew nothing was happening, and then you watch

962
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 2: Summerhouse and you're like, Craig, how did you not know?

963
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 2: Page was clearly like not doing well last summer and

964
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 2: not happy with you, and you had no idea there

965
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 2: were cracks that he did not see. Also, I love

966
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 2: New Jersey. We'll always love New Jersey, and Salt Lake

967
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 2: City has become one of the tops. Like Salt Lake

968
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 2: City's kind of wild.

969
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: Everybody says that, but salt Lake City is so great.

970
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 2: No, that's okay, that's okay. It's not everybody's thing. Do

971
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 2: you watch The Traders? No? Do you watch any reality TV?

972
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 1: I watch home shows.

973
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 2: I watch home shows too. Hey, it's not everybody's thing.

974
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 2: It's how I disassociate.

975
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. I it's one of those things

976
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: that I know the world is so big that it

977
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: feels daunting to start. I don't get it through friends.

978
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: I know little bits and pieces of the drama. And

979
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: then I do have a friend who will be like,

980
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: you don't need to watch anything, but you need to

981
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: watch this TikTok, so you understand what everyone on the

982
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: internet is talking about.

983
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, like vander Pump rules probably. Yeah.

984
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 1: So now I'm in this space where I'm like, but

985
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: I want more. I'm scared to give it to myself

986
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: because I think then I might really go down the

987
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: rabbit hole. But I have a friend who's also a

988
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 1: huge Bravo fan, who will just voice memo me catchphrases.

989
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 2: Amazing, so that you're just up today.

990
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, on a random day, I get an in this

991
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: town and it makes me laugh.

992
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 2: I mean, the one one I feel. Well, what I

993
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 2: will say is that I think you should maybe go

994
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 2: back and watch Vanda Pump Rules, like the last four seasons.

995
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so just the last four seasons. It's a

996
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 2: delightful treat. And it's also now It's parts of it

997
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 2: are like being in pop culture, you know what I mean? Like, yeah,

998
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 2: I did not want to watch The Traders, and then

999
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, now it's become a pop culture thing.

1000
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 2: Now I have to watch.

1001
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 1: It's kind of everywhere.

1002
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:11,439
Speaker 2: Do you watch drag Race?

1003
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 1: I do?

1004
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 2: Okay, So drag Race is one that I would dip

1005
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 2: in and out of throughout the.

1006
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: Years, so that I was that's what I was gonna say.

1007
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: I get I go. Sometimes I'm all in, and then

1008
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: there's seasons I haven't seen. I need to really fine.

1009
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 2: I went back after I had Lucy. When you're nursing,

1010
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 2: you're kind of like stuck in one spot and sometimes

1011
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 2: you're just like, oh god, I get you. You can't

1012
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 2: really get anything done. So I was like, you know

1013
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 2: what I'm gonna get done. I'm going to watch every

1014
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 2: episode of drag Race. W that's ever happened?

1015
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god? How fun?

1016
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 2: It was so so fun. It was a blast, and

1017
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 2: I'm like so up to date on drag race that

1018
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 2: I can really talk about anything related. But anyways, that

1019
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 2: was a fun one to go back and watch from

1020
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 2: the very beginning because also you know in twenty ten

1021
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 2: or nine, I don't when did it start, like two

1022
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 2: thousand and nine or something, that like glossy camera thing

1023
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 2: that they did on America's Next Top Model. It was

1024
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 2: empty at this time, so it still as MDV. You know,

1025
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 2: it's changed networks aro out the years, but uh, they

1026
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 2: have that funny like it's just so funny. And then

1027
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 2: everybody's caught like outfits that they were wearing, like their

1028
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 2: street wear was crazy.

1029
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 1: You know.

1030
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,399
Speaker 2: Wow, fashion has changed and not that long of a time.

1031
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 2: And also it was like almost twenty years ago, what I.

1032
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: Know, it feels like yesterday, and also like another millennia

1033
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: and it's upsetting.

1034
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 2: It makes it's upsetting me, like I feel like I

1035
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 2: need to wear like low rise jeans with a with

1036
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 2: a tank top.

1037
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: I just think I'm never going to go back I missed.

1038
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 1: I didn't know how much I missed the top half

1039
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: of my pants until I got it and then was like, oh,

1040
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: I'm never going to give this back to you.

1041
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 2: Do you have a high butt crack?

1042
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: I don't think so you would know.

1043
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,919
Speaker 2: I don't either. My best friend Craig has a very

1044
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:00,720
Speaker 2: high butt crack.

1045
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,320
Speaker 1: Oh, so he could never wear the low rise chains.

1046
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 2: It's not a good moment for him. He just always

1047
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 2: had butt crack out. Recently, I was like, your butt

1048
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 2: crack is hanging out and your pants are like you

1049
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 2: have the highest but crack of anybody I know.

1050
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 1: Oh not in a low rise.

1051
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 2: No, he just has a very high butt crack. That's

1052
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 2: just a fun thing to look out for. Do you

1053
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 2: have a high but crack or a low book crack?

1054
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: It feels like a late night infomercial. You can sue.

1055
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:30,879
Speaker 2: You know, we should put it in We should put

1056
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 2: it in sky Mall. Some underwear for people with high

1057
00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 2: butt cracks. Yes, do a high but crack. We've got

1058
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 2: some nich So Niche.

1059
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: It's probably a billion dollar idea. You just did a

1060
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: Judy Garland puppet impression? Yes, and watch What Happens Live.

1061
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 2: It's so weird.

1062
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: How long have you been a puppeteer?

1063
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 2: This was a character that was created in New World Plaza?

1064
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: How did you do?

1065
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 2: You know how it? Where it happened? Somehow? I was

1066
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 2: with my friends and we were like somebody was like,

1067
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 2: you do the worst impression of Liza Minelli I've ever seen,

1068
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 2: And I was like, I know, you know, my lies

1069
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 2: of Menelli impression is like if puppet Judy came back

1070
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 2: from the dead of Judy, that carlt came back from

1071
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 2: the dead as the puppet. That's my That's what my

1072
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 2: lies of Menelli is. It's really came from Liza. Really,

1073
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 2: the origin story of puppet Judy is.

1074
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: Liza again, niche again. I know, I love it.

1075
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 2: That's some game magic right there.

1076
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: It sure is. Oh my god, I want to be

1077
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:37,479
Speaker 1: in the room for the next one.

1078
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 3: Well, Judy, Judy makes an appearance, loves to making appearance.

1079
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 3: She like she's had a rap.

1080
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: I was just going to say, it sounds like Judy

1081
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 1: has really been hitting the watch what Happens Live bar

1082
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:55,919
Speaker 1: back there mixing martinis for her.

1083
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 2: Is sweet sweet? Was It was like it was like

1084
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 2: the Judy Garland show, Judy, you know, like last five years, Judy,

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00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 2: Poor Judy, poor, poor sweet Judy, poor Judy. Oh I

1086
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 2: know it makes me the last five years Judy. What

1087
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 2: if Judy did the last five years? Nobody wants to

1088
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 2: see that.

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00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to see it, put it away, put it away. Well,

1090
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: the show is amazing. There's so many wonderful things happening

1091
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:29,439
Speaker 1: in your life. You probably have a million things coming

1092
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: down the pipeline. What when you kind of look around

1093
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: and think about the rest of the year, what feels

1094
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: like you're working progress.

1095
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 2: My work in progress is I would say, I'm making

1096
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 2: sure that I say yes to myself and take care

1097
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 2: of myself. So I'm getting a second chance at being

1098
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 2: a mom with a newborn again. You know, I had

1099
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 2: my little boy eight years ago. And when you have

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00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 2: a little person that you're taking care of, not just

1101
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 2: a little person, it can be any person in your

1102
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 2: life that you're taking care of. If you have a partner,

1103
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 2: if you have a you know, if you have a roommate. Like,

1104
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 2: we take a lot of care of a lot of people,

1105
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 2: but yeah, one of those people that doesn't take is

1106
00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 2: good of care of myself. And what I mean by

1107
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 2: that is like, I'm good at taking my vitamins and

1108
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 2: drinking my water, but I don't always say what I need.

1109
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:26,439
Speaker 2: And I just took something from our conversation about you saying,

1110
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 2: you know, I'm trying to learn, and I'm learning and

1111
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 2: learning every day and talking about James and talking about

1112
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 2: Sweet Linda and kind of the students of life not

1113
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 2: just our craft that they were. Like. The lesson that

1114
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 2: I take away from this conversation today was when you

1115
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 2: were asking me about my process and I said, well,

1116
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 2: I basically put everybody first and make sure that it

1117
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 2: feels good for everybody else before it feels good for myself.

1118
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 2: So that's something I'm working on. It's like telling people

1119
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 2: what I need and telling myself what I need because

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00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 2: I think that's actually something I'm missing. So yeah, I

1121
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 2: think that's going to be kind of one of the

1122
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 2: goals of the year. You know, we've got to take

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00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 2: care of mama.

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00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: You gotta take care of put your oxygen mask on

1125
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: before your neighbor.

1126
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 2: Mama. Mama, Mama, Mama. We're seeing Gypsy this week. Actually,

1127
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 2: on that note, I know can't wait. It's so excited.

1128
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:22,959
Speaker 2: It's my favorite. It's one of my favorite favorite shows.

1129
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 2: I think it's in my top five very favorite shows.

1130
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: I have not seen it in so long that you're

1131
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: making me realize I should probably go see.

1132
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 2: Yes new ress production is I can't wait to see

1133
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 2: awdre be Mama ready or not? Here come.

1134
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: Oh, it's going to be amazing.

1135
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 2: Well let's go see some theater and for you for

1136
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 2: the next year.

1137
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. I don't totally No, it's like.

1138
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 2: A you know, we're in there like I don't know

1139
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 2: what's happening moment.

1140
00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: Well we've been in the I don't know what's happened.

1141
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: I know, as in our like industry for so many years.

1142
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 2: Now I'm like, oh, guys, try not to be in

1143
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 2: fear space.

1144
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to be in abundance. I have a

1145
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: thing in development with some friends. I am working on

1146
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 1: getting this like really funny queer rom com off the

1147
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 1: ground with a great comedian that I know. I have

1148
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: a movie coming out in June. And yeah, and I'm

1149
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: going to do like my favorite nerdy time. I'm guest

1150
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: directing a documentary film festival.

1151
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 2: Memorial Dazing. Yeah. So cool.

1152
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: So I'm like very amped about that. And yeah, just

1153
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: kind of leaning into the to your point, like to

1154
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: things that feel joyful and being excited about, like the rooms,

1155
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: the people, the learning. I think the thing I've begun

1156
01:00:55,200 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: learning about how obsessed with work and productivity I learned

1157
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: to be when it became a badge of honor because

1158
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: I was working on a show and like seventeen hour

1159
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: days were exhausting, so we had to be convinced they

1160
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: were amazing and like a proof of our dedication.

1161
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 2: You know.

1162
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: Now I'm starting to try to learn how to really

1163
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:23,160
Speaker 1: love my days even when they're not like overly adrenalized

1164
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: and exhausting.

1165
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so.

1166
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Speaker 1: I'm overwhelmed by all the things I'm doing in a way,

1167
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 1: but I also realize, you know, at six o'clock on

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01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 1: many days now, I can turn it off, and I

1169
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 1: just have never had that before, And I'm trying to

1170
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 1: think of that as a privilege rather than to be

1171
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 1: worried that I'm not doing enough.

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01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 2: Amen. Yeah, Yes, enjoy six o'clock. Go to go on

1173
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 2: and buy fifty dollars worth of dinner.

1174
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 1: Hottest club in La. Did you see that TikTok that

1175
01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: went around about the twenty dollars strawberry single strawberry at

1176
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: Aralon in a plastic contention? I was like, we've jumped

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01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: the shark.

1178
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:07,439
Speaker 2: You were like, this is crazy, We've jumped the shark.

1179
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 2: What's it?

1180
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: Daste like, well, yeah, I was like, clearly I want one,

1181
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 1: but I'm not going to be that personal. It's like,

1182
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: I've also always wanted to go to space, but I'm

1183
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: not going for eleven minutes in the middle of a recession.

1184
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:20,000
Speaker 2: Totally agree with you. We get to the thank you

1185
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 2: too for claiming that. It's through that thank you, like,

1186
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 2: what are we doing?

1187
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: What are we doing?

1188
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 2: I completely agree. It feels like upside down world. Yes

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Speaker 2: I do. There are times I love you Air One,

1190
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 2: but when I go to your produce section, I'm like,

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01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 2: I'll see you later. I will go get the other things,

1192
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 2: but I will go get that weird key lime pie

1193
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 2: that's made out of coconut and I don't know how

1194
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 2: it tastes like key lime pie, but it has an

1195
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 2: aftertaste that reminds you that it's not key lime pie.

1196
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 2: But I will not buy your fifteen dollars grapes. I know.

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01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 1: It's like there are things that I really want from there.

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01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 1: And then I also am the person that's like, I'm

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01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 1: not going to pay that for blueberries. I'll go to

1200
01:02:57,720 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: the farmer's market on Sunday.

1201
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, for sure, Yeah, I know.

1202
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 1: And that's where my duty comes out. I'm not paying

1203
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 1: for those berries.

1204
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 3: She would have been like bears, I don't even know

1205
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 3: what we have. Beers A beers is nineteen four defect.

1206
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 1: I live on vodka and a prayer.

1207
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:17,919
Speaker 2: That's right.

1208
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 1: Volcano my Canada day, Oh my god, I love it.

1209
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 1: Thank you for today, Congrats on the show. I'm amped

1210
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 1: for you.

1211
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Thank you for having me, thank

1212
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 2: you for inviting me into your magic space.

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01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 1: Oh you, sweet soul.