1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: Humans have way more potential than we realize. So by 2 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: doing something hard when you think you really can't do it, 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: we learn a lot about ourselves. And there's some like 4 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: evolutionary machinery that really gets triggered. Our natural environment used 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: to show us these sorts of challenges all the time 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: because life was tough. We had to do things like 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: hunt and gather and move great distances. But nowadays we 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: don't really have that, so I think we do need 9 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: these sort of moments that push back at us and 10 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: teach us something about ourselves. 11 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Emily and Badi here you are listening to 12 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 2: another installment of Hurdle Moment from Hurdle. 13 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 3: A wellness focused podcast. 14 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 2: Reconnect with everyone from your favorite athletes to top experts 15 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 2: and industry CEOs about their highest highs, toughest moments, and 16 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 2: everything between. 17 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 3: We all go through hurdles in life, and my goal through. 18 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 2: These discussions is to empower you to better navigate yours 19 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 2: and move with intention so that you can stride towards 20 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: your own big potential and of course have some fun 21 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 2: along the way. This week on Hurdle Moment, I am 22 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 2: let's call it reigniting. I'm bringing back my conversation with 23 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 2: Michael Easter. He is the author of The Comfort Crisis 24 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 2: in Brace Discomfort to Reclaim your. 25 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 3: Wild, happy, healthy self, and him. 26 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: And I had a chat last year about how to 27 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: get more comfortable with the uncomfortable and why that is 28 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 2: so important. He's a contributing editor at Men's Health Magazine, 29 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 2: He's a calmnist for Outside Magazine, and a professor at 30 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 2: the University. 31 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 3: Of Nevada, Las Vegas. 32 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: Now, I know why you're wondering, why are you re 33 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: upping this conversation right now? And honestly, it wasn't that 34 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: long ago following our conversation that I finally had time 35 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 2: to sit down and read Easter's book, The Comfort Crisis, 36 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: and tbh, it had some really impactful takeaways, many of 37 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: which we touch on in this episode that I really 38 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 2: feel can help shift your perspective and help you on 39 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,119 Speaker 2: your journey to get the most out of your potential. 40 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 3: Now, before we get to. 41 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 2: This episode, I do want to make sure that I 42 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: have one more time give some love to my friends 43 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 2: at ASEX who are offering up the Hurdle Community fifteen 44 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: dollars off a purchase of one hundred dollars or more 45 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 2: using the code hurdle one. 46 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 3: Five at checkout. 47 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 2: They were so kind to have me out at World 48 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 2: Athletic Championships with them, and I know how rare it 49 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 2: is to get a good deal on some great sneakers. 50 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 3: So again, that's. 51 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: Hurdle one five at checkout at aesx dot com. 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I am chatting with Michael Easter. 60 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: He is a new author of The Comfort Crisis, Discomfort 61 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: to Reclaim your wild, happy, healthy self. 62 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:29,959 Speaker 3: How you doing today? 63 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 4: I'm doing well? How are you? 64 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 3: I am so good? 65 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 2: The question right off the bat has to be how 66 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 2: does a guy get to a point where he says 67 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 2: to himself, you know what I'm going to do. I'm 68 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 2: going to write a book about getting uncomfortable. 69 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: Yes, that is a great question, and there were a 70 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: variety of steps for that, So I'll kind of start 71 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: from the beginning. 72 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 4: One. I worked at Mental for a while. 73 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: Right, and I noticed this pattern in everything I did 74 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: for men tell Getting healthy, whether it's improving your fitness, 75 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: losing weight, usually comes with some form of discomfort. 76 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 4: Right. 77 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: If I want to improve my fitness, I'm gonna have 78 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: to work out. Well, working out is uncomfortable. If I 79 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: want to lose weight, probably gonna be hungry, being hungry socks. 80 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 4: Okay, So there's that. 81 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: Then I meet this guy whose name is Donnie Vincent 82 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: and he's a backhountry bowhunter and filmmaker. He goes into 83 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: these crazy remote places off the grid and he'll be 84 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: there for like a month, right, And I end up 85 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 1: doing a story with this guy for Men's Health. So 86 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: we go into the wilds of Nevada for like a week. 87 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: And you know, like working at Men's Health, you have 88 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 1: to work out a lot, Like you get sent into 89 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: these crazy extreme gyms. I've met some characters whatever. But 90 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: we get up there and it is uncomfortable in all 91 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: these different ways that like I just hadn't experienced forever. Right, 92 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: It's freezing cold the entire time we're carrying these eighty 93 00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: pound packs on our back the entire time. Like to 94 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: go get water, we have to hike a mile downstream 95 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 1: and bring it back up. We're bored because hunting is 96 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: actually very boring. It's not like you're just walking through 97 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:10,040 Speaker 1: the woods, like you're kind of looking through scopes for 98 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: like hours of the time. And we only had one scope, 99 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: and I didn't have my phone and I didn't have service, 100 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: so it's just like, oh, what is boredom? Like this 101 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: is new long story short, Donnie. The story is good, 102 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: like people like it. We both get a lot of outreach. 103 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: He invites me to come up to the Arctic with 104 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: him for thirty three days, and I'm like, all right, 105 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: let's do it. So I go up there with him 106 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: and it is just Nevada on steroids, where it's like 107 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 1: I experience all these discomforts that we as humans literally 108 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: experience every single day. The life I lived up there 109 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: was how humans lived for two point five million years 110 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: up until like a couple hundred years ago. But when 111 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: I come back to my nice, safe, comfortable life at home, 112 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: everything is better. Like the dial on my mental, physical, 113 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 1: and spiritual health was like eleven. It was just unlike 114 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: anything that ever happened, and I wanted to know why 115 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: that was. So I sort of set off on this 116 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: investigation and I traveled around the world. I read way 117 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: too many studies, like way too many, met with people 118 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: ranging from special forces soldiers, anthropologists at Harvard. I went 119 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: to Bhutan and met with Buddhist leaders, went to Iceland, 120 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: and sort of the conclusion that I came up with 121 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: was that humans need a little bit of discomfort to 122 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: improve their lives. And there are a handful that I've 123 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: identified in the book, and they all tend to be 124 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: things that we used to face all the time. Right, 125 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 1: we used to have to go through hunger, like life 126 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: took effort. And even the way that we approach exercise 127 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: today we try and make it comfortable, Like we go 128 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,720 Speaker 1: into these air conditioned gyms and like we get on elliptical, 129 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: it's all like very programmed and scheduled, and then like, okay, 130 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,919 Speaker 1: my thirty minutes are up to go. Now I'm going 131 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: to go like sit on the couch. Right, Whereas life 132 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: used to into challenge and effort. And so I've sort 133 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: of by investigators sort of by weaving back some of 134 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: these things that I've singled out in the book. We 135 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: can move the dial a lot in ways that I 136 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: think are beneficial for people. 137 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 3: So interesting. 138 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 2: I mean, there's so much to tap back on here. 139 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 2: First and foremost, thirty three days in the Arctic. Wow, 140 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 2: you're married, right? 141 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 4: I am married? 142 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: Yes, Okay, you want to hear something totally messed up though, 143 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: This is the most messed up part of all this book, 144 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: And I didn't talk about this. This is a this 145 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: is a sore spot. Well, I was in the Arctic. 146 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: My wife went on a freaking cruise into the Greek Islands. 147 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 4: So she's like. 148 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: Oh, She's like, oh, you're hungry. Yeah, Well I was 149 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: on a boat that's a floating buffet. 150 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 4: You know. It was awesome, though it was the ultimate troll. 151 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 3: The ultimate Oh my goodness. 152 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 2: I was going to say, how did she feel about 153 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 2: you going to the Arctic for thirty three days? 154 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 3: But it seems that she managed just fine. 155 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 4: I did. 156 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: And then two other things that you brought out really 157 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: interesting to think about. The first thing you mentioning, well, 158 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: I didn't have my phone. The phone has become such 159 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 2: a crutch for us in so many circumstances of discomfort. Right, 160 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 2: you could be anywhere from out to dinner with someone, 161 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 2: to walking down the street. And these are all instances 162 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 2: where you have ample opportunity for other social interaction, but 163 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 2: we lean into our phones to get over that hurdle 164 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 2: of well, I don't know what's going to happen if 165 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 2: I actually expose myself to the world. 166 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: Yes, totally, and there's a good reason for this. So 167 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: as humans evolved, two things when we would get bored. 168 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: Boredom is this like evolutionary discomfort that basically tells us, 169 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: whatever you're doing right now, the return on your time 170 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: invested has warned thin, so you need to go do 171 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: something else. So for example, let's say we're hunting there's 172 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: no animals around, Boredom would kick in and basically be like, yo, 173 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: go do something else. It's going to improve your life, 174 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: so it kept us alive. Number two is that humans 175 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: hate unpredictability. So I talked to this researcher, a Brown, 176 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: and he's like, the human brain is always going to 177 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 1: default to something that can predict So we have two 178 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 1: things going on. One is that now anytime we feel 179 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: even the most tinge of boredom, we have this really 180 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: easy and captivating way to fix it. A phone number 181 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: two with that social thing, It's like, if I'm having 182 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: a conversation with someone on text, that is so much 183 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: more predictable than if we're having a face to face interaction. 184 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: Because let's say I say something in a way that 185 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: you take wrong. Well, that's scary. But if I'm writing 186 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: a text, I'm like, oh, this person might take that wrong. Delete, delete, delete, 187 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: I can filter it and send it. So yeah, the phone, 188 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: there's a reason now. And something else I talk about 189 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: in the book is that you know, there's a lot 190 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: of focus on phones, and I think that that is great, 191 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: but I think that sometimes when people try to use 192 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: their phone less, they oftentimes will just default to like, Okay, well, 193 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: now I'm just going to watch Netflix instead, or now 194 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: I'm going to be on my computer screen instead, and 195 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: like your brain does not know the difference in terms 196 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: of how hard it has to work between the screen 197 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: on your phone and the screen on Netflix, or even 198 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: things like podcasts. And these are all great things, but 199 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: like my argument is like, let's not think less phone. 200 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: Let's think how can I integrate boredom back into my 201 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: life in a productive way, Because you'll find that once 202 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: you don't have that easy escape into your phone. The 203 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: brain tends to come up with creative ideas. Some of 204 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: them are totally a waste, Like you'll think of some 205 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 1: wacky stuff that you're just like, where the hell. 206 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 4: Do come from? 207 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: But a lot of times you'll find something interesting and productive, 208 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: you know. So they do studies where they find that 209 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: board people come up with more better creative ideas than 210 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: people who are not bored. 211 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 3: So interesting, So interesting. 212 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 2: And something else that you mentioned was that so many 213 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 2: companies have made it their mission to make getting healthier 214 00:10:54,880 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 2: quote unquote easier and seem less difficult. So the question, right, really, 215 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 2: is that then a good thing or a bad thing? 216 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 2: Because from my point of view, at least until this conversation, 217 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 2: in this moment, thinking about it in this manner, my 218 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 2: thought is that it's a good thing, right because for 219 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 2: so many the change and the stepping outside of their 220 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 2: comfort zone feels like such a barrier to entry that 221 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 2: for some they need that level of ease to get 222 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 2: in the door to start with. So what do we 223 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 2: say to that person when it comes to perhaps picking 224 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 2: up a new meditation routine or getting into fitness or 225 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 2: something like that. 226 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'll answer that this way, And like specifically 227 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: thinking about fitness. If you are a person who frequently 228 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: exercises and enjoys working out, you are one of the 229 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: weird ones. Okay, So when you look at like how 230 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: humans evolved, exercise is something we made up when we 231 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: had to remove movement from our days by the technological advances, 232 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: Like it would have never made sense to move without 233 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 1: a very purposeful objective like I need to go get 234 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: food or something like that. So we're wired for laziness essentially. 235 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: So I tell you that because I don't think. I 236 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 1: think a lot of times in the fitness world people 237 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: get shamed for not exercising and not wanting to exercise. 238 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: It's like, no, it's totally normal to not want to 239 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: exercise and to not enjoy it, and that's okay. But 240 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: it's also like there's a lot of things that I 241 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: do in my life that I've been forced into doing 242 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: that I don't like to do either. Like I didn't 243 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: want to learn to read when I was a kid. 244 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: Reading is this thing we had to make up to 245 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: like improve our communication as a species. Is we had 246 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 1: a lot more people, right, but I had to do that. 247 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: I have to pay my taxes, you know, and obviously 248 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: you don't have to exercise in the way you have 249 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: to pay your taxes, but we also know that if 250 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: you're not moving there's going to be health consequences down 251 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,319 Speaker 1: the world. I mean, the data is overwhelming in terms 252 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 1: of what a lack of fitness does for mortality rates. 253 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: Like it's I mean, it takes more years off your 254 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: life if you really don't move at all than smoking 255 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: when you look at the data. So I don't know 256 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: if that answers your question, but it's kind of one 257 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 1: of those things. And I think that I think starting 258 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 1: where you're at is so important too, you know, like 259 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: if you don't do anything, it's like, just start with 260 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: a five minute walk that if that's too long and 261 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: that sucks too much, try one minute, Try thirty seconds. 262 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: Next time, try thirty five seconds, then forty. I think 263 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: it's really just sort of just building up that ability 264 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: to be okay with feeling a little uncomfortable, and that 265 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 1: improves over time. 266 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 2: Okay, So the natural question that builds up over time 267 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 2: here is someone recognizes, Okay, I need to make a change. 268 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 2: I understand that this change is going to be uncomfortable 269 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 2: or what it is that I am seeking to do is. 270 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 3: Not within my current house? How do they proceed? 271 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 2: What's the next step after making that, perhaps like confession 272 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 2: to themselves. 273 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 1: I think a lot of times people get more worked 274 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 1: up about the idea of being uncomfortable then they are 275 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: about actually being uncomfortable. Like once you start something, it's 276 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: not that bad, you know. It's like to take hunger, 277 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: for example, people don't freak out about being hungry. 278 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 4: They freak out. 279 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: About the idea of being hungry. Right, It's like because 280 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: if you've actually experienced physiological hunger, it's not like it 281 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: builds and builds and builds and then it's just like 282 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: completely unbearable. It kind of comes and goes in waves 283 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: based on where your attention is. So I think realizing 284 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: that you're probably overthinking this, like yes, there's going to 285 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: be some moments of discomfort, but also think like you 286 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: kind of sometimes have to do things that are uncomfortable 287 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: if you want to improve yourself or learn things. I mean, 288 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: change is uncomfortable. Back to like what humans like and 289 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: don't like. Humans are wired to not like change. We 290 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: want things that are predictable, right, Like the human brain 291 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: has always defaulted to what is predictable. So getting out 292 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: of your comfort zone can be tough, but the rewards 293 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: are huge. I mean even just things like you look 294 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: at their research on changing up your routine, and we 295 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: all tend to live in autopilot mode. Well, once we 296 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: go out of that autopilot mode, it really can improve 297 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: your focus and where your attention is spent. All of 298 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: a sudden, you can't predict the future, so you have 299 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: to pay attention, you know, and you look at someone 300 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: like the work of William James. He talks about how 301 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: the end of your life, the sum of your life, 302 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: is what you paid attention to. Right, So if you 303 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: can get yourself in moments where you just are kind 304 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: of forced into being mindful, it's like that stuff you're 305 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: going to remember. 306 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 2: Taking a break from today's episode to give some love 307 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 2: to my sponsors. First up, Athletic Greens. 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It's I remember 361 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 2: one I was speaking to someone and they pointed out 362 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 2: that the differences between like optimistic people and pessimistic people. 363 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 2: And the optimistic people are the ones that are sitting 364 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 2: on the sidewalk having lunch with a friend and they 365 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 2: see an elderly couple walking across the street and they're 366 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 2: like super cute and they're just enjoying the simple things 367 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 2: of life. And the pessimistic person that you could be 368 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 2: having lunch with sees the smelly garbage. 369 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 3: Truck, like pull up and put the trash in the back. 370 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 2: And how different are those two perspectives on life because 371 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 2: one person goes about their day and finds like the 372 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 2: small joys and the simple pleasures, and the other person 373 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 2: is like, I don't know it sometimes maybe like the 374 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 2: classic cynical New Yorker and this is just the ways 375 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 2: that you go about your living. 376 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 4: Totally. 377 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: So I'll tell you a story, and let me preface 378 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 1: the story by saying that I am not suggesting in 379 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: the least bit that you have to go to Alaska 380 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: for more than a month to get this effect. But 381 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 1: I will tell you this. So we get up there, 382 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: it's freezing cold, right. We have one day where we're 383 00:19:55,960 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: like twelve miles from camp and the sun is going down. 384 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 1: We have to get back, and the way you get 385 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: back is across the tundra, which is I won't go 386 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: into detail, but it is the worst thing to walk 387 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,360 Speaker 1: on in the world because it's kind of like half frozen. 388 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: There's these big like balls of grass that are really 389 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: hard to walk on. And this was like pretty deep 390 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: into the trip, and we get back to the tent 391 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: and it is, you know, it's like negative twenty outside, 392 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 1: and I'm freaking starving and I have a cliff bar 393 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: and that's all I have for dinner, right, And so 394 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: now it's like when I get back into my normal life, 395 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: I can like stand, let's say, in a restaurant or 396 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: something like that, and the service might be crappy and 397 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 1: things may not be going my way, but I can 398 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 1: be like, oh, I'm warm, Yeah, I didn't have to 399 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: walk twelve miles to get here. I'm about to eat 400 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: something that's a lot more delicious than a cliff bar 401 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: and it's going to be amazing. Things are totally fine. 402 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: So I think the lesson is that, like sometimes we 403 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: need to, it's easy to get locked into a perspective 404 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: where we don't really see how good we have it. 405 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: A lot of us, right, And I'm not suggesting at 406 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: all that the world doesn't still have problems that we 407 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: need to work on, but I think a lot of 408 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 1: people's every day problems are sort of first world problems and. 409 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 4: We don't see that, right. 410 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: So if you have moments that push back at those 411 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: can give you a lot of perspective and that will 412 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: make you more appreciative of everything you have. 413 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 2: Well, this is the same thought process behind the marathon, right. 414 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 2: It's the commonplace of once you run a marathon, your 415 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 2: perspective on so many of the other hurdles that you 416 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 2: will have to overcome in your life completely shifts, and 417 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 2: you understand that, having perhaps succeeded and pushed yourself through 418 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 2: something that at times for sure felt one hundred percent impossible, 419 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,959 Speaker 2: that you are then capable of anything. So for you, 420 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 2: in reporting this book and all the experts that you 421 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 2: spoke with and the research that you learned. Does anyone 422 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 2: have like a term for this? Is there something in 423 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 2: the brain that becomes unlocked when we see ourselves getting 424 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 2: through these difficult hurdles. 425 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 4: It's a good question. 426 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: So I part of the book, I talked about this 427 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: idea called masogi, and I met this guy. His name 428 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: is Marcus Elliott. He super far out. He's like gone 429 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: to burning Man since way back when it was like 430 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: super weird back in the day. 431 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 2: How you know you're super far out is that you you're 432 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 2: burning me on veteran. 433 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 4: One hundred percent. 434 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: But he's also he went to Harvard Medical School, so 435 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: he's also very very smart, and he started this company 436 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: called P three and they have contracts like with the 437 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: NBA in the NFL, and they do all this like 438 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 1: data movement modeling. It's all like very science and techie 439 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: like he's totally revolutionized sports science. But he also knows 440 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: that like what improves humans, our performance, how we see 441 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: the world can always be measured. So they do this 442 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: thing called masogi and it's like once a year they 443 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 1: will pick one really freaking hard thing that's usually outdoors, 444 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: and they'll go do it to see if they can 445 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: do it. And there's only two rules. Rule number one 446 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: it's got to be really hard, which they define by 447 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: saying you have a fifty percent chance of finishing it. 448 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: Rule number two is that you can't die. So pretty 449 00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: straightforward rule number two. And they've done things like get 450 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: an eighty five pound boulder and walk it five miles 451 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,160 Speaker 1: beneath the Santa Barbara Channel, so they like dive down 452 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: ten yards, the next guy goes down all kinds of 453 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 1: just kooky challenges. And the idea is what they're mimicking 454 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: is when you look at like all cultures, like older cultures, 455 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 1: people usually had to go through a rite of passage. Now, 456 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: the idea of a right of passage is that you 457 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: as a human are at point A, but we need 458 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: you in our tribe or whatever it is, to be 459 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: at point B. How to get you to point B, 460 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: We're going to like send you out in the wild 461 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 1: to do something hard. So you look at all these 462 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,639 Speaker 1: different cultures. There's things like the Massai would do lion hunts, 463 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: you have oboriginal tribe would do walk about all kinds 464 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: of different stuff. And while you're out there in this 465 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: sort of middle grade of challenge, you're like, I don't 466 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 1: know if I can do this. You have these moments 467 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 1: where you're like, I'm gonna quit. 468 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 4: I'm gonna quit. 469 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: You know, I can see my edges coming up, and 470 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 1: I'm going to quit when I hit that edge. But 471 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: then you step over it and you keep stepping, and 472 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: then you look back and go, well, I thought my 473 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: edge was right there, but I'm beyond it. So like 474 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: I sold myself short. There where else in my life 475 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: am I selling myself short? You know, I think that 476 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: humans have way more potential than we realized. So by 477 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 1: doing something like that, doing something hard, whether that's this 478 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: Kooki masogi thing this guy does or a marathon when 479 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: you think you really can't do it, we learn a 480 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 1: lot about ourselves. And there's some like evolutionary machinery that 481 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: really gets triggered. And I think that, you know, our 482 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 1: natural environment used to show us these sorts of challenges 483 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: all the time because life was tough. We had to 484 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: do things like hunt and gather and you know, move 485 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: great distances. But nowadays we don't really have that, So 486 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: I think we do need these sort of moments that 487 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: push back at us and teach us something about ourselves. 488 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 2: For the person who finds themselves constantly underestimating themselves or perhaps, 489 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 2: as you said, selling themselves short. What advice do you 490 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 2: have for them to help them push through that hurdle. 491 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: First of all, you're totally normal, so if you think 492 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: about as humans evolved, it would make sense there would 493 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: be a survival benefit to be the type of person 494 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: who goes, I don't think I can do that. So 495 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: if something were to come your way, you're like, I'm 496 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: not touching that. It's a little too risky. But if 497 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: you are thrown into that situation to actually have an 498 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: outsized ability to complete it, right, So we there was 499 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: an advantage to not thinking you're capable of something, but 500 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 1: actually being capable. If humans would have been the opposite, 501 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,199 Speaker 1: if we were like, hell yeah, I can do that, 502 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 1: and then we get out there and it's just like 503 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,239 Speaker 1: we suck, Like we would have died off, right, So 504 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: I tell you that to basically say you are capable 505 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 1: of a lot more like we are not far removed 506 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: from the people of our past. And you know, our 507 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: ancestors used to exercise fourteen times more than us. It 508 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: wasn't abnormal for them to have to run twenty miles 509 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: in any given day like we have this on board, 510 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: we just don't want to use it, and there is 511 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: a good reason for that. 512 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 2: And then in all of your reporting, was there anything 513 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 2: else that really took you by surprise? 514 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. 515 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: So I went to So I'm up there hunting, okay, 516 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: backcountry hunting, and I had never hunted before, and I 517 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 1: was super reticent about hunting because I'm like, it was 518 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: it's weird because like I eat meat all the time, 519 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: and yet I'm like, I don't know if I actually 520 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 1: want to engage in that, so I won't go into 521 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: the details. But I end up hunting, like I still 522 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: have meat in my freezer. But it got me thinking 523 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 1: about the life cycle. And in the West, I think 524 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: we don't want to think about or acknowledge the fact 525 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 1: that one day we are going to die. And you 526 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: can see this in our funeral system, where like when 527 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: someone dies, we sort of make them look as youthful 528 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,639 Speaker 1: as possible, and then we sort of, you know, have 529 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: this viewing and then they're in the ground and then 530 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: we're told, you know, keep your mind off it. 531 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 4: Go do something to take your mind off it. Even 532 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 4: our food system, right, It's. 533 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: Like our meat is manicured in such a way that 534 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 1: we're not reminded that came from a living thing. So 535 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 1: I end up traveling to Bhutan because they have a 536 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: very different relationship with death than we do in the US. 537 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,199 Speaker 1: People in Bhutan are instructed to think about death at 538 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: least once a day. A lot of their art and 539 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: cultural stuff revolves around death. And I talk to this 540 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: this guy who's super high up in Buddhism there, and 541 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: it was it was a total trip because he lives 542 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: in this like cliff side shack up this total rutted 543 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: out dirt road. And my driver you have to have 544 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: a driver there. We're in a smart car essentially, and 545 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,479 Speaker 1: so my driver like Baja five hundreds this thing up 546 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: this dirt road and I get to this shack and 547 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 1: it's like I kind of have to go door to 548 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 1: door and it's very basic. And I open this drape 549 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: and like there's this big statue of the boot and 550 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: there's like this incense smoke in the air, and like 551 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: this guy just like turns to me and he's like hello, 552 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: you know, just like oh my god, this is like 553 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: the gangly westerner has come to see the Guru. But 554 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: we talked for a handful of hours and he talked 555 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: about how in the West we just don't want to 556 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 1: acknowledge the fact that, you know, one day we're gonna die, 557 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: But once we actually do, that changes our behavior because 558 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 1: all of a sudden you realize, like this ride is 559 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: going to end, and people naturally become a lot more 560 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: appreciative and it helps you sort of figure out, like 561 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: what am I doing with my time? Helps you become 562 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: more compassionate as well, because if I know that, like 563 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: you know, one day this ride is going to end, 564 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: and someone annoys me with like a snarky email, like, 565 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: I'm just not gonna get worked up. I'm just gonna 566 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: be like, hey, whatever you know helps me make better decisions. Now, 567 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: this is very uncomfortable thought, of course, it's like, oh man, 568 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: that is heavy. But on the other side of that, 569 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: I think your life improves and there's you can find 570 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: some happiness there. 571 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 4: And it's interesting because Bhutan is. 572 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: Even though they're like totally low on the development rankings, 573 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: they always rank as one of the world's happiest countries. 574 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 3: Wow. 575 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 2: I mean I probably needed to take that perspective last 576 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 2: weekend when I was like attempting to put up vinyl 577 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 2: stick on wallpaper. 578 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 3: Wow, you would have thought. You would have. 579 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 2: Thought the world was ending when this was going nowhere 580 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 2: near as easy as they make it look like in 581 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 2: all the videos. I was like on the floor. I 582 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 2: FaceTime my dad. I've got like mess garrow on my face. 583 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 2: He's like, what's on your face? I'm like, I've been crying. 584 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 2: I can't get this wallpaper up. 585 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 3: And then I'm like, wow, it's just some stick on wallpaper. 586 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 4: I love that. 587 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 3: We're fine. We're fine. 588 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 2: Such an interesting perspective and such a really important lesson 589 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 2: to take away, just understanding that these moments of discomfort, 590 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 2: they come and they go, and that we have the 591 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 2: opportunity to either embrace that and kind of harness that 592 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 2: and work through that, or we can be the only 593 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 2: thing that holds ourself back right totally. 594 00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. 595 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: And on the other side of that comfort is usually 596 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: some sort of improvement in body, mind, spirit. 597 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 3: All that good stuff. Michael, How do the hurdlers keep 598 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 3: up with you? How do they follow along with you? 599 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 3: Give me all of the information. 600 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: So my book that we're talking about is called The 601 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: Comfort Crisis. It's available wherever books are sold. I have 602 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: a website, Eastermichael dot com. And then I'm on Instagram 603 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: at Michael Underscore Easter. 604 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 2: I'm over at Emily Body at Hurdle Podcast, Another hurdle conquered. 605 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 3: Catch you guys next time.