1 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 1: This week on the Hot Edgy Couple Network. I mean 2 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: it's very two is the year of the Hot Edgy couple. 3 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 1: We've had a lot of hot edgy couple news. It's 4 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: the Hot Edgy Alternative Couple Network. And a few weeks ago, 5 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: Courtney Kardashian got engaged to Travis Barker. Her style has changed. 6 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: She's part of a hot edgy couple. Machine Gone Kelly 7 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: and Megan Fox hanging out together with Courtney and Travis 8 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: founded the Hot Edgy Couple Club. And then Megan Fox 9 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: and Machine Gone Kelly joined and the four of them 10 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: hang out in this hot edgy couple tattooed musical ault club. 11 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: Is a lot of black worn, it's a lot of 12 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 1: sexy skin shown. Uh, it's just really super edgy. And 13 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian and Pete Davidson have joined the Hot Edgy 14 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: Couple Club. They're now members. Kim is wearing black sweatshirts 15 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: and leather leggings and just eating pizza and going to 16 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: write aid and just with Pete Davidson, who's also tatted up. 17 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: If you're not tatted up and edgy, don't call me back. 18 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: Kanye and Julia Fox have joined the Hot Edgy Couple Club. 19 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: It's like the Hot Edgy Couple competition now because you 20 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: got Kanye, But Julia Fox, who's now the new h person. 21 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: She's walking and looking at the paparazzi and saying, fuck off. 22 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: I'm wearing black dentle fluss out of my pants and 23 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: you can fuck right off because I met Kanye last 24 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: night at Jiffy. Relationship, went through the drive through, and 25 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: we'll be engaged within a fortnite. I'm sure she has 26 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: a tattoo. I don't know that she does, but I 27 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: mean if she's. If not, she should be getting one 28 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: soon because she and Kanye are just coming up. They 29 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: did like the Chia pet of Hot Edgy Couple Relationships. 30 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 1: It was like I met you, I plucked you under 31 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:22,839 Speaker 1: your z eve. By Valentine's Day, we're gonna be right 32 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: where Travis and Courtney are because we are part of 33 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 1: the Hot Edgy Couple Club and we are coming in 34 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: on fuego. So there are four couples that are members 35 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: of the Hot Edgy Couple Club. So who's next. Chloe 36 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: is now single, She's got to find herself a tatted 37 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: out musician. I don't know what's going on with Kylie. 38 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. She just had a baby, so she 39 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: really cannot be eligible for the hot Edgy couple club. 40 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: But I mean it doesn't have to be just Kardashians. Obviously, 41 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: so many people. But I mean hot edgy couple is in. 42 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: Preppies not in. I don't think like you know, wealthy 43 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: hedge fund types are in. I don't think like pretty 44 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: boy actors are in. I don't think comedians are in. 45 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: This is just like edgy hot couple musicians. Well, actually no, 46 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: Pete Davidson's a comedian, but he's not he fits better 47 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: in like the hot edgy pizza tatted up musician club. 48 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: Pete's more of like an outlier in the comedy section, 49 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: but still he's a comedian. So who is next to 50 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: enter the hot edgy couple Club? I would like to 51 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: know because it's a big trend and it's not slowing 52 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:32,119 Speaker 1: down anytime soon. First, Travis and Courtney got engaged, Machine Gun, 53 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: Kelly and Megan Fox recently got engaged. I mean as 54 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: Kanye getting engaged to Julia Fox by Valentine's Day, or 55 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I do not believe the Kim Kardashian will 56 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: get engaged. I just don't. I don't think anytime soon. 57 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: I think she's just having fun. I like this on her. 58 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: I like this look on her. I just like she 59 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: looks like. I'm a billionaire. I've done it. I've dumbao 60 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: everybody's wanting me to do. I played the Fame Game 61 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: and I won. I'm in the Hall of Fame of 62 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: the Fame Game. I created the Fame Game, I am 63 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: the Fame Game. And now I'm doing the thrifty ice 64 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: cream pizza game in Staten Island because guess what I won, 65 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: and I'm doing it my way. And Megan Fox and 66 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: Machine Gon Kelly got engaged and drank each other's blood, 67 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: which is very common. I woke up this morning and 68 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: instead of chocolate Domona milk, I put Paul's blood right 69 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: into that blender with a frozen banana, some protein powder 70 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: and some way protein and chia seeds, and I just 71 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: drank his goddamn blood because that's what people do. Now, 72 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: if you're in the Hot Edgy Couple club, you drink 73 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,919 Speaker 1: one another's blood. Get with the motherfucking program. What I 74 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: think is that these four couples are founding members of 75 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: the Hot Edgy Couple Club just like the Soho House. 76 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: They're founding members, initial members, that street cred they belong um. 77 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 1: I don't even know if Kim and Pete Pete Davidson 78 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: are founding members. Travis and courtney'r founding members, machine Gun Kelly, Yeah, 79 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: I'll give it to them for members. In order to join, 80 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: you have to A have a piercing and or attached 81 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: to B have some musical talent, be very interested own 82 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: your own musical instruments, but be very very interested in 83 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: the music world, or very close and adjacent see where 84 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: scantily clad sexually provocative clothing d drink the blood of 85 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 1: your partner. Be a member of the Kardashian family. We 86 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,119 Speaker 1: are now accepting applications for the Hot Edgy Couple Club. 87 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: Apply only if you meet those requirements. Does anybody want 88 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: the information on how to join the Hot Edgy Couple Club. 89 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 1: I I'm dating a man from Massachusetts who I do 90 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: not believe is eligible for the Hot Edgy Couple Club, 91 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: and frankly I'm not eligible, so we'll have to live 92 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: vicariously through all of you. My guest today is cam Pagoula. 93 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: She is the president of the Buffalo Bills and Buffalo Sabers, 94 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: making her the first woman to be president of an 95 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 1: NFL and NHL team. She is also the CEO of 96 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: her management company, Pagoula Sports and Entertainment. Along with her husband, 97 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: they have become titans in the sports world and are 98 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: also incredible philanthropists. I am fascinated by her life story, 99 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: from her adoption to her working with her husband to 100 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: her groundbreaking role in the NFL. You are going to 101 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: love this one and leave this one inspired and maybe 102 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:33,119 Speaker 1: even be a Bills fan. In fact, they just beat 103 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: the Patriots in an amazing win, and she knew it. 104 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: She just felt it ahead of time. So from an 105 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: orphan to being one of the baddest bees in the business. 106 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: Kim Pagoula, So where are you? I am in Florida? 107 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 1: I chickened out. I know it's like five degrees up 108 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: in Buffalo. Um, but I'm down here in Florida. This 109 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: is where we um, It's our domicile. I guess you 110 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: could say. So I came here after our regular season 111 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: when on Saturday. Nice So where in Florida? Oh? Okay, 112 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: so I was going to ask about I just it 113 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: jumped off the page reading about you obviously that you 114 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: are adopted and your childhood, which I want to get into, 115 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: but that you never you wanted to go to Alaska 116 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: and you couldn't afford it, so you stayed in upstate 117 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: New York. And that sort of really seems to have 118 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: navigated your entire life, like it seems to have been 119 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: a path that has been very very clear. So could 120 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: you tell me a little bit about that? Oh, yeah, 121 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: of course. So you know, when after I graduated college, 122 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: you know, I was always like I told my parents, 123 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not gonna get married young. I'm gonna like 124 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: see the world. I'm gonna do all these crazy things. 125 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: And uh, and so going to Alaska, I heard that, 126 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: you know, you could go there and make a lot 127 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,119 Speaker 1: of money, um, working in a canning factory or some something, 128 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: you know, much more than minimum wage. Here, a whole 129 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: new place. My my girlfriend and I kind of this 130 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: grand scheme. Um. I think my parents were really worried 131 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: that I actually was going to do it. But I 132 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: actually met somebody that is not my husband, UM, a 133 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: few weeks before that before I pulled the plug on that, 134 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: and so UM, I ended up working for my husband. Um, 135 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 1: and the rest is history. So yeah, those little life 136 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: decisions that you don't you think are meaningless when you're young, 137 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: sometimes do kind of, you know, give you a path 138 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: through the rest of your life. So how many years 139 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: ago was that? That was thirty? Okay, okay, So who's 140 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: your husband and what was he doing then? And and 141 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: then let's get into that because we're working with your 142 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: husband is one thing. Working with someone you're dating and 143 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: and marrying them and then being partners in this way 144 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: is very interesting, your partners in everything. So let's talk 145 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: about that for a second. Oh, yes, yes, definitely. So 146 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: my husband and I my husband's name is Terry. Um, 147 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: we are eighteen years age difference. So I have kids 148 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: that are older than when when Terry and I met. 149 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: So we I met when I was twenty one and 150 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: he was thirty nine. Wow, that's that's that's I didn't 151 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: even know that. That's that's controversial. Back then, well and 152 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: back then thirty years ago, it was it was you know, 153 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: I wasn't seeing a lot. Now you see a lot 154 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: especially here, especially here in Boca. You see a lot 155 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: of that in Boca. Yeah, But but back then, and um, 156 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: you know, my my, my family was a little bit worried. 157 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: He was divorced, had two children, um of his own, 158 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,200 Speaker 1: and had his own business. Um, yet about I say, 159 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 1: seven employees at the time when I met him, And UM, 160 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: I think there was you know, my family very conservative, 161 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: very faith based growing up, and so the idea of 162 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 1: of young and I was the only girl in the family, 163 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: and so the idea of me dating someone uh that 164 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: was that much older who's already divorced, has kids, plus um, 165 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: the you know, the age difference in the fact. Then 166 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: you know, I started working for him at the time. 167 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: UM didn't go over all that well at the at 168 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: the beginning. Um, but again, it's been such a great journey. 169 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: Like I said, his business was oil and gas and 170 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: that was in Pennsylvania and that was about you said, 171 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: around seven employees at the time when I came in, 172 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 1: and um, I came in only temporarily. But um kind 173 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 1: of you know, things developed and I choose that path 174 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: instead of you know, going to Alaska and and other things. Now, 175 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: so he had only seven employees, So he was successful, 176 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 1: but not I guess uber successful you can speak. I 177 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: don't know that. I actually don't know the answer. But uh, 178 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 1: were you judged for that. Did you feel you had 179 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: to prove yourself because now you're dating someone older who 180 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: is successful. Uh so, so how does that all work? 181 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: How do you do that without being distracted like doing 182 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: it for the wrong reasons, wanting to be successful for 183 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: yourself and not just to show everybody? So how do 184 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,959 Speaker 1: you navigate that? Oh? All all of that? Um, I 185 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: will say, even though thirty years ago it wasn't the 186 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: success that the people that know us now, um would 187 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 1: see it as. But but certainly, you know, um, you know, 188 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: he was in control of his own life. And you know, 189 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: when you're twenty one and out of college, I mean, 190 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: your life is is you know, you're at zero right um, 191 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: trying to find a job, forteresting or sending out all 192 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: your your resumes everywhere. So certainly, and as I said, 193 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: the reason I wanted to go to Alaska because you know, 194 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: I want to see the world, want to see you know, 195 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: I have whatever, have a career and do all these things. Um. 196 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: And then I ended up settling really you know, locally, um, 197 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: in this small town where his business was. Um. Of course, 198 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: you know, when when I came to work for him, 199 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: I started out at that point he was doing some 200 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,319 Speaker 1: investor relations. So he was drilling oil and gas wells 201 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania, but then was raising funds um for that, 202 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: and so I was kind of his like marketing communications 203 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: lays on and and at that time that really wasn't 204 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: even a role that most you know, companies, especially one 205 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: of his size, really had. UM. But yeah, I would 206 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: be you know, I would be plotting charts. You know, 207 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 1: back then computer and iPhones and all this stuff. Technology 208 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: was not it was not as big, and so I 209 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: would be you know, hand plotting charts. I would be 210 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: taking out the garbage. I'd be doing basically, you know, 211 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: kind of whatever was needed um at the time. And 212 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: so of course I never wanted to say no because 213 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: to your point, you know, you're just trying to kind 214 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: of prove yourself and making sure that people realize, well, 215 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: you know, I have some value. It's not just the girlfriend, um, 216 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: you know, because say probably wasn't easy. But UM, but 217 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: you know, I I grew up where I had a 218 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: really good sense of myself, UM, and I think that's 219 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,959 Speaker 1: where it really you know, I don't want I don't 220 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 1: know if it's confidence, I don't know, it's just UM, 221 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: had a good set of really core values that I 222 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: felt like, okay, as long as I felt I was 223 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 1: doing the right things for the right reasons. Um, then 224 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: you know what others perceived of me was. Um, you know, 225 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: I didn't really care. I do remember that he had 226 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: a friend which we've lost touch long time ago, but 227 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: he he bet us that we would not our relationship 228 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 1: would not last. Um, I think for like nine months. 229 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:35,560 Speaker 1: That are you know at that he beat us like 230 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: a trip somewhere, exotic trip somewhere, that our relationship wouldn't 231 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: last nine months. Um. So going on, let's see twenty 232 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: we're at twenty nine years now, we certainly beat that. Odd. 233 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:49,959 Speaker 1: Did you get the trip? No? We lost touch, and 234 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: you know that's annoying. Tell me it was you a trip. 235 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: That's ridiculous. I don't like that. I would I'll take 236 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: the trip. I'll call him up and tell him you 237 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: said you'd give it to me. I get the trip. 238 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: The funny part two is, uh, Bethany is you know 239 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 1: I'm wife number two? Right? So there's you know, obviously, 240 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: I know divorced unfortunately is commonplace now, but even thirty 241 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: years ago was more of an up and coming trend. 242 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: You know, he was married for seventeen years beforehand, and 243 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: I thought at that time I was like, oh, my gosh, 244 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: how do you beat seventeen years of marriage from you know, 245 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: someone else? And so that was kind of like another 246 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: thought that was a little bit more. Um, I guess, 247 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: I guess me. But um, but you know, like I said, 248 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: we're at twenty nine right now. So but when that 249 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: day came, when it was like when we hit our 250 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: seventeenth anniversary, I was like super excited, like, oh, that's 251 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: so nice. Seventeen I moved from from from wife number 252 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: two backup to wife number one. That's amazing. And yeah, 253 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: and you didn't need to work, you chose to work. 254 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: That says a lot anyway, Um, how did you both 255 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: get into owning sports teams? And? Um, for example, I 256 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: know I've met Robert Kraft. He told me about he 257 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: and his wife decided to get well. Actually, no, he 258 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: came home and told his wife he had bought the 259 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: Patriots and it was for not a big number considering 260 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: what sports teams are worth now, and I think she 261 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: was probably nervous about it, but it ended up being 262 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: an amazing investment. It used to be sort of that 263 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: owners did it sort of like owning horses is like 264 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 1: a passion project, but it wasn't necessarily a business unto itself. 265 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: I also know Steve Cohen who owns the Mets, and 266 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: you know, it's a whole juggernaut business. So I'm sort 267 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: of interested in that. What made you It used to 268 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: be a vanity project and not not a business in 269 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: my opinion, and it's really a major, major business now. 270 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 1: So how did that whole thing get started? And I'm 271 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: my correct or, Am I incorrect? No? You know what, 272 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: you're correct, And I think it's like with anything in life, 273 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: you know, a little luck and timing also goes along 274 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: with it. Um at that point where my husband had 275 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: sold his business, and you know, we took maybe a 276 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: year off, but you know, we're not people that just 277 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 1: consider around and and really do nothing. And one of 278 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: the things, you know, even the first day I met him, 279 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: Um he was a season ticket holder. Um he was 280 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: a hockey fan of the Buffalo Sabers at the time, 281 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: and um we would that would be day night as 282 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: we drive up and his his kids used to live 283 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: in Buffalo as well, so going to Buffalo, Um was 284 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: a you know, it was a weekly thing. And then 285 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: especially attending UM hockey games at that time going from 286 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: where where were you coming from? We were in a 287 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: town called only in New York, which was about maybe, UM, 288 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, an hour and ten minutes south of Buffalo. 289 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: So you guys are small town people ultimately people. Yes, yes, 290 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: interesting um and so UM. So we were always attending 291 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: UM sporting events, especially hockey games. And then at that 292 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: time really is when the Bills kind of really made 293 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: their big UM Super Bowl runs the four years so 294 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: so football UM, you know obviously big in the Buffalo 295 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: western New York area. UM. And so you know that 296 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: was always you know, part of us really starting out 297 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: just as a fan. UM. And then when you know, 298 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: we were like thinking, okay, what are we gonna do 299 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 1: with the second half of our life? UM he you know, 300 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: we said, wow, we always want to own a sports team, 301 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 1: and so we actually bought the hockey team first, okay, 302 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: and then at that time when we bought the hockey team, 303 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: there was actually a rule that the NFL no longer 304 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: has where you're not allowed to have to UM, you 305 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: can't have two professional teams UM that are not in 306 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: the same market. So meaning that the only team that 307 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: we could because we already had the Buffalo Sabers in 308 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: the National Hockey League. The only team football, if we 309 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 1: ever want to get into football, was going to be 310 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 1: in Uh. So you add, literally you could only buy 311 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,719 Speaker 1: one team in your own hometown. So it's limited choice. 312 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: The rule no longer exists, but it did at the time. Um. 313 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 1: And honestly, back then, you know the bills. Um. You know, 314 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: we did not think about the Bills when we bought 315 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: the hockey team, but then after we bought the hockey 316 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: team and we were spending more time up there, and 317 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: then of course kind of that whole um, the idea 318 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 1: kind of came to light, and especially with the passing 319 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: of the previous owner who had only been the owner 320 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: of the team since inception. UM. So we you know, 321 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: we really set to ourselves, there's only thirty two of 322 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: these teams, like this opportunity is, especially one that's in 323 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: our current market that we could um only comes you 324 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: know once in a lifetime, if at all. Um. And 325 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: so we decided to make the jump. And I do remember, 326 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 1: you know, my husband saying to me, though, like listen, 327 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: we we both have to be on board. And I'm 328 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: gonna need you to be you know, to be a 329 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: big part of this because I can't do this myself. Um, 330 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: and so he Actually it's a lot of work. My 331 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 1: friend Alex Cohen works on the Mets, works on the Mets. Funday, 332 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: it's a job for her as much as I mean, 333 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: it's a big it's a lot of work. So it's 334 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: most people probably think it's just like a cute thing. 335 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: Oh I on a sports team. It is a business. 336 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 1: You know. Usually you know, the wife just gets you know, 337 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: isn't really into the operations of the team. Um, Usually 338 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,240 Speaker 1: it's more of the husband. Um. But I remember him. 339 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: I remember we were talking with our attorneys and our 340 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: cowins and talking through some of the legalities, and you know, 341 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: they said, well, okay, how do you want the ownership 342 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: to be split? Um? Do you want to be pent 343 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: terry or how does the how does it between the 344 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 1: two of you? You're saying, yes, yes, how do we leave? 345 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: Let me how hold on? Before you get there? This 346 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: is an interesting question because without being sensitive, it sounds 347 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 1: like you guys are going to be together the rest 348 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: of your life. So you're out of those woods. But 349 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: back then, how many years ago is that? Oh? So 350 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: that was what about eight years ago. So eight years ago. Okay, 351 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 1: so you're not talking about a professional sports team, so 352 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: it's an asset. So you're having like sort of it's 353 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: sort of like a pre nup of a sports team 354 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,360 Speaker 1: conversation in the middle of your marriage. So explain. So now, 355 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 1: I just wanted to frame that that way because it's 356 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: you're not just the cute little wife. It's going to 357 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,239 Speaker 1: help out. You're now a partner in this team. So 358 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 1: that is interesting. Yeah, And when we bought the hockey team, 359 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: we were we were in a I don't know why, 360 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: we were trying to get it passed through pretty quickly. 361 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: So one of the ways that we did that was 362 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 1: just because my husband had the quote bigger asset because 363 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: of um because of the company that was in his 364 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,719 Speaker 1: name beforehand. And so even though I had worked at 365 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: the company for I can't since I met him, um 366 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: for multiple years. Um He So the hockey team actually 367 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: ended up being in his name, A hundred pisette, right, 368 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: no issues. I honestly didn't really care um Oka, and 369 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: so when actually the football came around, I just assumed 370 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: that that was going to be the same. And my 371 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: husband's like, no, just let's make it fifty fifty. Um. 372 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: It was his idea. And you know what to me, 373 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: like you said, we're gonna be here together for the 374 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: rest of our lives, and we had already gone through. UM. 375 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 1: You know what I thought at the time was the 376 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: bigger Um Hampson in our marriage. And so I didn't 377 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: think anything of it. I didn't realize until it got 378 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: Paul Black that that was a big deal. Um. When 379 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: we had you know, when it got announced that we 380 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: had purchased the Buffalo Bills. Um, and there was at ownership, UM, 381 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: you get viewed so much differently. You get really you 382 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: get viewed as the partners, so you're baller. He became 383 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: a boss bitch baller even at the even at the 384 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: league level. And there's only really one controlling owner. Um, 385 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: who has to have you know, thirty percent of the team. Um, 386 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: so he is the controlling owner. But um, but because 387 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: of that fifty fifty kind of ownership, like you know, 388 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: I am, I am there all the time. I mean 389 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: I deal with the league. They view me as as 390 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: owner even though I'm not. Like I said that, you know, 391 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: we've got two representatives of the club. Um. But that 392 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: was a big deal. Um, and I didn't I didn't 393 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 1: think of it at the time, but it really was 394 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 1: a big deal to the outside world. Um. On the 395 00:21:54,400 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: ownership there, am I allowed to know numbers just so 396 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 1: people can understand how the business has changed. What it 397 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: was purchased for, and what it's worth now that's all 398 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 1: public information. Yes, we purchased it for yes probably, Um, 399 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,159 Speaker 1: we've purchased it for one point four billion back in 400 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: h I believe, okay, And what's it worth it now? 401 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: It's worth what someone's gonna pay you for. So I 402 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: actually I don't know what that is. But based on 403 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: other teams like what it teams like that getting now like, um, 404 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 1: you know what. Honestly, Bethany, I hate to say because 405 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: I really don't know. I don't know either. I'm not 406 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: like baiting you into something I don't actually. In terms 407 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: of our market um, and you know part of the 408 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: history of the team itself, Um, we're we're called the 409 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: bottom quartile among the other clubs. So in terms of 410 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 1: market sise, revenue things like that, Um, we're we're at 411 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: the bottom. So our value probably is a lot of 412 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 1: difference obviously than say the Cowboys or the Patriots, due 413 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: to the championships that they've had as well, so in 414 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: the city that they're that they're in. So honestly, I 415 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: really can't tell you a number. But do you think 416 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: it's a great business? Do you feel like it was 417 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: a good business purchase? Has it been a successful business 418 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: for you? Oh? Um? Oh no, I definitely. I remember 419 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: when at the time, you know, everything was done and 420 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 1: we we had a company, Allen and Company that was 421 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 1: kind of negotiated on our behalf of the deal, and 422 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: you know, everything was set, but but you know the 423 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: price right, like it's a blank line. Okay, what is 424 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: your actual bid? Because this was really a bid process, 425 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: so you're biding against other people and um, and it 426 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: was just like okay, And I remember, you know, I'm 427 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: saying listen. At at one point too, we feel that 428 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: um and this is you know, Allen and Company. This 429 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: is kind of our representative saying um. At one point too, 430 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: we think, you know about we're present sure that you'd 431 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: win the bid. At at one point too, at one 432 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: point for we're a hundred percent sure you're going to 433 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,719 Speaker 1: win the bid. Um and and we said, you know what, 434 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: I'd rather go with the odds of a and so 435 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: you know, I guess, you know, somebody say we overpaid 436 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: at that time, and I do remember. Unfortunately he's no 437 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 1: longer with us, but Bob mcneir, who was the owner 438 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: of the Houston Texans at the time, was one of 439 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: the league's owner that we had talked to in this 440 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: whole process of buying a team, and he said, you know, 441 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: I know you're gonna whatever you bid on it, you're 442 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: gonna think that you spent way too much money. But 443 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: I will tell you that in a few years you 444 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 1: realize you did it. Um And he was, and he 445 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: was right, Well, that's an interesting investment style. So you're 446 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: talking about a lot more money than the people listening 447 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: have to spend. But I remember I purchased a house 448 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: in the Hampton's years ago, and I had an accepted 449 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: offer and I didn't know that much about residential real 450 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: estate then and I didn't know anything like I know now. 451 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: Was the second purchase I've ever made. And um, I 452 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: had accepted offer, and we didn't get the contract in 453 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: right away. And of course that real estate broker, because 454 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: they can be the most challenging people in the world, 455 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: business wise and ethics wise, shopped the house to other people, 456 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 1: using my my offer as you know, as a stalking horse, 457 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: and they came back and said, this other person is 458 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: willing to pay, and I think it was like two 459 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five dollars and I was furious. I 460 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: was emotional. I didn't want I'm not doing this because 461 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 1: I felt taken. I didn't like that feeling. But I 462 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: remember my friends saying, in several years, if you think 463 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: the house is amazing and you think it's great value, 464 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: in several years, you're not going to remember that money. 465 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: And that was a lot. That's a lot of money. 466 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: But it's totally true. The house is worth probably two 467 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: and a half times or two and a quarter times 468 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: what it was worth then. So sometimes you can't. You 469 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: have to not be emotional and so literal about these 470 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: business decisions if you know, you got to make quick decisions, 471 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: and you can't think that way. So it's the very 472 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: small version of what you're talking talking about. But I get, well, 473 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: you know, the Hamptons is it is a you know, 474 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: there's only so many homes in the Hampton's right, it's 475 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 1: such a desirable place. And same with you know, an 476 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: NFL club, there's not that many of them, they don't 477 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:15,679 Speaker 1: always come on the market, and I could, like you know, 478 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: I said before, timing, um and a little luck sometimes 479 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: you know, has to go away. I don't think that 480 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 1: anyone who has been successful can say that it was 481 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: all just based on on work. I mean there was, 482 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: there's always a little bit of luck and timing that 483 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: goes with it. But it sounds like decisiveness too, So like, 484 00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: for example, um and having a little bit of courage. 485 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: I had another place in New York City, and to 486 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,120 Speaker 1: your point, I thought the place was amazing and it's 487 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: sucked potential for a renovation, and it was I said 488 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: full price, I'll pay. I didn't make an offer. I 489 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: just said i'll pay. I didn't want to risk there 490 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: might have been nobody else looking at it. It It was 491 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: a very problem apartment. But when you want something in business, 492 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: you can't play around, because if it's something like the 493 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: team for you in one town where you only have 494 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: one choice, or if it's an apartment, or if it's 495 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 1: a business deal, sometimes you just have to say I 496 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: have to have the courage to just make the decision 497 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: right now and know the value, and that is worth 498 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: about more now. So those decisions can be good, it 499 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: can't be penny wise and dollar foolish. Well, and you know, 500 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: I am a big advocate of sports, whether it's it's 501 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: not just in professional but whether it's you know, when 502 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 1: you're little, in high school college. Um, my oldest daughter, 503 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: our oldest daughter, Jesse, is a professional tennis player. And 504 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 1: so we have kind of really spent a lot of 505 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: our married life, um in that sports realm Um. We 506 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,199 Speaker 1: before that, we used to be a partner in in 507 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: a football agency where we represent the clients. Um. So 508 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: we you know, we uh we donated um hockey uh 509 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:51,959 Speaker 1: an arena at Penn State, my husband's alma mater. So 510 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: we have always been involved in the sports aspect of it. 511 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: So again you know where like you said, opportunity, the 512 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: passion that we half for sports, um, the timing of everything, 513 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: and then again being fortunate to you know, all the 514 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 1: hard work um we thought was done, um when building 515 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: up the business that we were able to sell to 516 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,159 Speaker 1: provide us the resources and buy the football and the 517 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 1: hockey team. But um, but yeah, not realizing a lot 518 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: more work was ahead of us. But um, but yeah, 519 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: I totally agree with you on that. Well. So also 520 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: it's it's on brand. You're involved in sports, you're involved 521 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:36,479 Speaker 1: in your community, you're involved in What I mean is 522 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: it's on brand that everything you're doing is sort of 523 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: in that area where you grew up, where you have roots, 524 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: where you know people, where you know who to trust, 525 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: and you're you're trusted there and your that's your community, 526 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 1: and it's all on brand to sort of be in 527 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: all aspects of sports, and your philanthropy is connected to sports, 528 00:28:53,160 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: because it's okay to make whatever your philanthropy is connect 529 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: to your business. Meaning it's just not all you're adhering 530 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: to the line and all of it is on brand, 531 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 1: it's cohesive. You're not just choosing to to to make 532 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: a difference in a charity that has nothing to do 533 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: with everything else that you do, because then it's more 534 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: easier for people to understand the narrative of what you do. 535 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: I feel, yes, no, definitely, And listen, you know, obviously, 536 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 1: I do think that when you're doing charitable giving, um, 537 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: that it does lend to what you're really passionate about 538 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,719 Speaker 1: and saying that has a meaning for you. UM. And again, 539 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: like I said, because of of what we've seen in 540 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: experience raising an athlete of our own and and the 541 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: folks that we have. Um. And I've seen firsthand, like 542 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: if if you come to a game, I mean I 543 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: I just I have so many memories and experiences of 544 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: of what football, what hockey, what's even sports? Um does 545 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: to bring a family together, to bring friends together, to 546 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: bring a community together. It's part of the American way 547 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: of life really. But yes, as an individual, you know, 548 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: seen a firsthand the intangibles and the importance of health 549 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: and wellness and taking care of your body, things that 550 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: you know, when I was younger, I never thought of like, um, 551 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: but you know, athletes these days just how important it 552 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: is to them. So um, I'm a huge advocate that. 553 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: You know, sports is such a you know, a positive 554 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: influence and many in so many ways. And it crosses gender, 555 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: acrosses age, acrosses communities. UM. So I mean that's just it. 556 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: It's easier to to celebrand, as you said that you're 557 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: passionate about do something where you can really have an impact. 558 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: I used to donate to several different charities, thinking that 559 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: was good to spread it out, and then someone said 560 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: to me, you should be focusing on one thing where 561 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: you can really create the most impact, and we've done 562 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: incredible things with disaster relief all over the world. So 563 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,479 Speaker 1: I I agree, and that's on brand for me too. 564 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: It's sort of like pulling a quick business together and 565 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: just executing relief, uh, you know, a relief effort in 566 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: no time. So let's talk about your childhood a little bit, 567 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: because that jumps off the page. I mean, you definitely 568 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: did not have a traditional childhood. You don't have a 569 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: basic story. So it sounds um scary and a little 570 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: lonely and and you must have had so many questions 571 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: growing up. So can you describe, um, your upbringing, your 572 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: start to this crazy life. Yeah, so my crazy life 573 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 1: um um. So basically, I you know, was born in 574 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: South Korea, um, and was adopted really by this actually 575 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 1: a set of a Canadian family who I moved to 576 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: the U. S Um. My adoptive parents actually had to 577 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: become US citizens in order for for them to adopt me. 578 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: And if you you know, we talked about thirty years ago, 579 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: but you know we're talking way way longer. Uh. You know, 580 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: you didn't have emails, and you weren't like you know, 581 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: I didn't have phone calls and your cell phone and 582 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: all those things. And so my parents, you know, wanted 583 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: to adopt a girl from from South Korea or actually 584 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: they I think they just wanted to adopt anybody. And uh, 585 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: and they were mailing back and forth and um, and 586 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: so I was actually born in South Korea. I was 587 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: left at the doorstep of a police station. At that time, 588 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, this is Us. That's like the movie show 589 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: This is Us, which we're watching with Brent. You know what, 590 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: I have not seen that show. It's the same The 591 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 1: guy I was dropped up at a fire station was okay, 592 00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: all right, I have seen that that show yet. And 593 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: I I keep thinking, Okay, I need to binge this 594 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: show because I've heard such great things about it. But 595 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: again I started, so, don't ruin it for me. Well, 596 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: but but but adoption is a big part of it 597 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: and in multiple situations. Okay, sorry. So then I was adopted, 598 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: and I know I needna go I had before I 599 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: jumped back, because I did go to Korea for the 600 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 1: first time since I was born. Um about I'm gonna 601 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: say three years ago, and um, and found out some 602 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: really great stuff. So I did find out that Okay, 603 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: I was dropped off at the orphanage Um, I thought 604 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: I was dropped off as a baby, but actually I 605 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: was dropped off when I was roughly around four, four 606 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,959 Speaker 1: years old, um, and so I had a life before 607 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: I got dropped off, right um. And then I was 608 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,480 Speaker 1: only in the orphanage for a short period of time. 609 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: I think I believe then that usually what the police 610 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: would do is they would bring you to an orphanage 611 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: and you would stay there for um, you know, like 612 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: six months in case the parents came back, right uh. 613 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: And so but in order for the me to be 614 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: um in the orphanage, as an orphan, um, I had 615 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: to have a name and I had to have a birthday, 616 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: so they would make one up at four. That's interesting 617 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 1: that it wouldn't. You wouldn't know what your name was before. 618 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: I Yeah, I don't. I don't remember. And when I 619 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: got dropped off off, I didn't. There was no name, 620 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: no address, no nothing, and so they just guessed them 621 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: my birthday and they and they made up my my name, 622 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,839 Speaker 1: which I did. I found that out like three years ago. 623 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: So my god was that. Yeah. So I keep telling 624 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: my family that I'm actually a year younger than I 625 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: actually am. But but I you know, I but I 626 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,360 Speaker 1: my birthday is what I've always celebrated since then, so 627 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard to change my birthday. But but yeah, 628 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: that was an interesting that I won, that I had 629 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: a life before I, UM, before I was adopted in 630 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: or before I was went to the orphanage. UM. And 631 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,879 Speaker 1: then the fact that you know, kind of my identity 632 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: as you could saw you could say that most people 633 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: rely on is there when they were born and what 634 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,200 Speaker 1: their their name was, UM is completely made up by 635 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,440 Speaker 1: someone who I have no clue who they are. So UM, 636 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: that was an interesting factor that I found out a 637 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: few years ago. That sounds emotional, you know what it was? 638 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 1: It was weird. I don't know why I always felt 639 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: that I was I thought I was the baby. I 640 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,359 Speaker 1: don't I don't know why. I never even never rang. 641 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: And I said to my dad because he actually came, 642 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,399 Speaker 1: my adopted deck actually came on the trip with me, 643 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: and and he said, well, you you really never asked 644 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: any questions and we would try to tell you, but 645 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,879 Speaker 1: you just you didn't really want to know anything. So 646 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: I said, okay, I just you know, UM. But you know, 647 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 1: I think really credit to I think, you know, my 648 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: family and my parents had two older brothers UM at 649 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: the time, UM of of just creating such a great, 650 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 1: loving home, that UM that just raised me like you know, 651 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 1: like their own and of course you know it just 652 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,960 Speaker 1: it UM. And so I never felt the need to 653 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: go find my parents, never felt the need to go 654 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,800 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't. I didn't have that longing. And 655 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: and honestly, and going back to Korea, I had it 656 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: so good. Why why would I want to know? UM? 657 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 1: Because you know the life that and and I tell 658 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: people all the time, you know, if they asked me, 659 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: well what you know, what what is one thing that 660 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 1: you can point to that has led to your success 661 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: or to where you are now whatever? And I always say, 662 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 1: it has to be my parents, because they chose me, 663 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: UM to be part of their family. And just to 664 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 1: think where would I be now? UM. I did get 665 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 1: an opportunity to go back to It wasn't exactly the 666 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 1: same orphanage, but the same UM company that UM that 667 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 1: did it. And so you know, you saw kids in 668 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: that same orphanage that was literally the same situation I 669 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 1: was in, and it was just crazy to think, Okay, 670 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: wonder where they will be, you know, in fifty years, 671 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,919 Speaker 1: thirty years, UM because you know, like I said, being 672 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 1: adopted is a single most important part of my life 673 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: right now. Interesting. It just it put me into uh 674 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,360 Speaker 1: complete path that um, you know, I can say I 675 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: wouldn't even have the opportunity beyond the path that I'm 676 00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: at now without the adoption. Wow, that's amazing And just 677 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: that because I think my daughter who's eleven, remembers before 678 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,800 Speaker 1: four and five. So I wonder if you have flashes 679 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: or if you'll be hypnotized, if you'll be dreaming in 680 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: some weird flash, will happen. I've had I've talked to 681 00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: people that because I love health and wellness and kind 682 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: of the bio hacking and all that stuff, I'm always 683 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: like into that stuff. And I've had people that say, um, 684 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: recently something about like you can actually pass on trauma 685 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:31,839 Speaker 1: that you even if you don't remember, through generations, which 686 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: I did not realize that that that could happen, but 687 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 1: this that you actually can pass on trauma through generations 688 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: and and doing things like you know, hypnosis and and 689 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,880 Speaker 1: other you know, rieky and other things can help. But 690 00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, I just have never You may not 691 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: want to poke the bear in the zoo. Yeah, I 692 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 1: just I've been happy with my life that I'm like, Okay, 693 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 1: why do I want to invite unknowns? I you know, 694 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,959 Speaker 1: I agree no bad will against you know, my birth parents. 695 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 1: Is I have no bad will against South Korea? Or 696 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 1: just so I've been agree I understand that. Like someone 697 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: talked about going back because she had to figure out 698 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,319 Speaker 1: stuff and she had a lot of trauma and her 699 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 1: life in doing ayahuasca. This woman who was on here, 700 00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 1: who's amazing, who's climbed the seven summits, but it's it's 701 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,400 Speaker 1: opening Pandora's box, and not everyone wants to do that. 702 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: There are many areas in my life where I'm always 703 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 1: nervous to do that because I don't need to go 704 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: back and see everything. So I think that's an interesting conversation. 705 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: But it's also very television in Hollywood movie to make 706 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 1: it like everybody who's adopted is always just longing for 707 00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: their long lost parents, and you're an example that that's 708 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: not always the case. The last topic I guess is 709 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 1: I guess your partnership overall, it's a relationship partnership, it's 710 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 1: a business partnership. So what are the tenants or you know, 711 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,080 Speaker 1: what are the what are the rules and the tips 712 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 1: and the things that you've learned over the years that 713 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 1: make a partnership work in marriage and a long successful relationship. 714 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 1: You know. Um, you're probably gonna laugh. And my kids, 715 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,080 Speaker 1: you know, laugh when I when I say that, when 716 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 1: people ask me that question, and I say, and I say, 717 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,319 Speaker 1: you know what, agree on what your expectations are of 718 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: each other? Before? Um, you know? And and I laughed 719 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,720 Speaker 1: my kids and saying, listen, you know, I don't expect 720 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,879 Speaker 1: anything from your dad. Therefore I am always you know, surprised. 721 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 1: I'm always excited if he goes over that level of expectations. 722 00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,680 Speaker 1: But I don't expect, expect, expect it, so therefore I 723 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: don't get upset. Um. Now I realized, you know, not everyone, 724 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 1: can you know, put that bar that low? Um. But 725 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 1: I said, well, as long as you guys and and 726 00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 1: my actually my oldest daughters got married this uh this year, 727 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 1: And I said that, you know, if you can come 728 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,280 Speaker 1: to an agreement and what is expected. If I expected 729 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 1: my husband to be you know, home every night at 730 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 1: five o'clock to take out the trash, to plan this, 731 00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,359 Speaker 1: to do our budgets, to do you know other things, um, 732 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 1: I would be upset and disappoint in it all the 733 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 1: time and not be happy, um, but knowing, um, but 734 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,360 Speaker 1: knowing what I can expect for him, and then um, 735 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,960 Speaker 1: when he does something unexpected, it's just a nice surprise. UM. 736 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 1: So I think a lot of times that's what usually happens. 737 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 1: When you know, friends are talking or complaining about their 738 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,880 Speaker 1: spouse or boyfriend of things like that. Usually it's because 739 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,880 Speaker 1: they're you know, what one expects of the other is 740 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 1: not in alignment. Um. So from a marriage standpoint, I 741 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,479 Speaker 1: think that's that's big. But I know people have always 742 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: said to me like, oh my gosh, how could you 743 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,839 Speaker 1: spend you know, work with your husband, and like you're 744 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,719 Speaker 1: all the time you do the same thing. Um. It's 745 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,319 Speaker 1: not for everybody, but it really for us. Um, you know. 746 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: And I think I'm going to give him the credit 747 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 1: for it because he was older. I'm younger, I can 748 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 1: be a little bit more molded. But you know, he 749 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:52,840 Speaker 1: really said that that expectation of us being partners, even 750 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 1: from day one, even from when I was you know two, 751 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 1: we got I got married at twenty three, Um, even 752 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,360 Speaker 1: when I was twenty three years old. Um, that idea 753 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,319 Speaker 1: that we were we were partners and so everything he 754 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,319 Speaker 1: involved me and everything that he did now was I. 755 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 1: You know, certainly there's other people that he had that 756 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,240 Speaker 1: were more experts, whether you're talking legal, accounting, finance, whatever, 757 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,480 Speaker 1: but um, but it was never, never afraid to share 758 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 1: all that with me, to have me in meetings even 759 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,239 Speaker 1: right now in hockey meetings, football meetings, draft I am 760 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,640 Speaker 1: there and um. And he set that tone right from 761 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,239 Speaker 1: from day one of being there and I And when 762 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 1: people talk to me, and especially women about being a 763 00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:37,480 Speaker 1: woman and a female and a male dominated you know 764 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,279 Speaker 1: um area like sports. UM, I always tell them listening, listen, 765 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 1: it's not an opportunity to bashed men because we all 766 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,319 Speaker 1: need them in some way and they can be your 767 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 1: biggest advocate. You got to find the right ones. But 768 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,360 Speaker 1: I know that my husband has been the biggest advocate 769 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: for me and has taught me so many things um. UM. 770 00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,280 Speaker 1: And really that started with him just you actually accepting 771 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,719 Speaker 1: me as as a true partner. UM. No matter what 772 00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,759 Speaker 1: the percentages are you know, of of anything, it's just 773 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,719 Speaker 1: um and wanting me to be in those conversations, in 774 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:17,160 Speaker 1: those meetings knowing the information. UM. Now, unfortunately, there's so 775 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 1: much to do that I don't have time to be 776 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,359 Speaker 1: in those conversations anymore and I have to prioritize UM. 777 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 1: But he's, like I said, from day one to even today, 778 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,239 Speaker 1: like there's no um you know, like I'm not It's 779 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,920 Speaker 1: not that I'm not invited to anything that he is 780 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,400 Speaker 1: a part of. It doesn't matter if his football or 781 00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,880 Speaker 1: if his business or um, whatever it is. You feel 782 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,359 Speaker 1: totally respected in your relationship and your partnership. That's amazing. Well, 783 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,360 Speaker 1: it was amazing to talk to you, uh and so interesting. 784 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:47,800 Speaker 1: I get to learn so much each time I have 785 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,920 Speaker 1: a conversation like this. So congratulations on all of your 786 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,680 Speaker 1: success personally and professionally. Well, thank you, Bethany, appreciated being 787 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 1: on the show. And we have a big game this 788 00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,840 Speaker 1: weekend on Saturday night at a fifteen so um, hoping 789 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,120 Speaker 1: for a big one and to continue our playoff run. Fantastic. Well, 790 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:06,920 Speaker 1: hopefully I'll get to meet you in person one of 791 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,880 Speaker 1: these days, maybe at a game or otherwise. Anytime accepted 792 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 1: will be five degrees, so you may want to take 793 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:17,120 Speaker 1: another game while go to an away game. There you go. Okay, awesome, 794 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,759 Speaker 1: thank you, Thank you so much, Bethany. That was a 795 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,319 Speaker 1: really interesting conversation. That's a woman who started with unfortunate 796 00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,840 Speaker 1: circumstances and is really appreciative of her life and as 797 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:34,759 Speaker 1: managed to have a successful business and personal relationship with 798 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:39,160 Speaker 1: her husband, raise a great family, and just really chooses 799 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,800 Speaker 1: to work and chooses to create value as a woman 800 00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:47,440 Speaker 1: and be taken seriously. And not that many women owners 801 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 1: OFFL teams, so that's pretty cool.