WEBVTT - From the Vault: The Lost Daughters of Aten, Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. My name

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<v Speaker 1>is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick. And it's Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>Time to go into the vault. This time it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be part two of the episode we ran last Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the second part of the Lost Daughters of

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<v Speaker 1>Oton series. This originally published March nineteen. And uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you were here last Saturday, you know what you're

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<v Speaker 1>in for. All right, let's jump right in. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff Works dot Com. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. My name

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<v Speaker 1>is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick. Can we're back

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<v Speaker 1>for part two? Or is this part two? Or does

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of stand alone to a large time? I

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<v Speaker 1>think this one stands alone. Yeah, okay, so well last time,

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<v Speaker 1>if you were with us in the last episode, we

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<v Speaker 1>were exploring what we were sort of calling the Lost

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<v Speaker 1>Daughters of Aton, the the planets that once were thought

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<v Speaker 1>to exist somewhere in the Solar System, whether in ancient

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<v Speaker 1>times or in recent centuries, but we later found out

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<v Speaker 1>probably never existed or definitely never existed in some cases.

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<v Speaker 1>So examples we talked about included Antikathon and the Central Fire.

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<v Speaker 1>What was the deal with that? Oh, well, you just

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<v Speaker 1>have to go back and listen to the episode. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this complex notion where, um, the Sun is not the

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<v Speaker 1>center of the universe, the Earth is not the center

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<v Speaker 1>of the universe, but something called the Central Fire is

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<v Speaker 1>at the center, and Earth is actually closer to the

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<v Speaker 1>Central Fire than the Sun. So it's you know, this

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<v Speaker 1>sort of complex uh model of the cosmos based on uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the best observational data of the day of

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<v Speaker 1>like ancient times, ancient Greece. Yeah, combined with certain religious

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<v Speaker 1>mythological ideas. Yeah, Pythagorean cosmology sort of. But then also

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<v Speaker 1>we talked about the scientific thinking that to the belief

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<v Speaker 1>in such a thing as the planet vulcan, a planet

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<v Speaker 1>believed to be inside the orbit of Mercury super close

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<v Speaker 1>to the Sun, as was proposed by Urban la Verier.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course we also talked about Phaeton, the the

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<v Speaker 1>Phaeton or Phaeton the the best subject of a Renaissance

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<v Speaker 1>painting of all time. Yes, but for the purposes of

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<v Speaker 1>main purposes of our discussion, the the idea that that

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<v Speaker 1>they thought, well, the asteroid belt maybe used to be

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<v Speaker 1>a planet and maybe this is this is what we

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<v Speaker 1>would call that planet if it were still a whole

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<v Speaker 1>exactly right. So today we wanted to carry this discussion

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<v Speaker 1>forward to talk about other ideas about planets that are

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<v Speaker 1>thought to maybe exist somewhere in the Solar System but

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<v Speaker 1>haven't yet been confirmed. In the last episode, all the

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<v Speaker 1>planets that we talked about, we're pretty sure now have

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<v Speaker 1>never existed at any time. I mean, with two of them,

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<v Speaker 1>were quite sure, but there are still questions. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>there has long been a question about what lies at

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<v Speaker 1>the further stretches we we talked about. You know, what

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<v Speaker 1>happens when you go down as far as you can

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<v Speaker 1>into the Solar System, like the Sun, is this pit

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<v Speaker 1>this well where you go all the way down? Are

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<v Speaker 1>there are things that are hard to see because they're

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<v Speaker 1>so close to the Sun. When you think about the

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<v Speaker 1>opposite end, could there be things that are hard for

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<v Speaker 1>us to see because they're so far And of course

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<v Speaker 1>we have to realize how how confusing this may seem

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<v Speaker 1>at first, because it's easy to think that we have

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<v Speaker 1>our Solar system pretty much figured out at this point, right,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, mostly if you're listening to this, you probably

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<v Speaker 1>grew up memorizing the planets Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Urinous, Neptune.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's the whole issue of Pluto, and some

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<v Speaker 1>of us get a little bit out of shape, right

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<v Speaker 1>when when someone tells us, actually, Pluto isn't a full

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<v Speaker 1>fledged planet, it's more of a dwarf planet, etcetera. And uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know when when maybe don't roll with change all that. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's easy to think, Okay, but that's it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing new to discover in the Solar System, because meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>we are continue really spotting new exo planets that are

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<v Speaker 1>light years upon light years away, like far distant reaches

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<v Speaker 1>of the observable universe. So if we're figuring that out,

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<v Speaker 1>then surely we've got everything squared away in our immediate neighborhood. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it only makes sense that that's the way it should go. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>Why are we seeing exo planets when there's still a

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<v Speaker 1>question of whether there could be a planet in our

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<v Speaker 1>own Solar system we don't know about. And unfortunately that's

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<v Speaker 1>just a side effect of the different ways we have

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<v Speaker 1>of detecting things. It actually may be much easier to

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<v Speaker 1>detect the presence of a planet orbiting a distant star

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<v Speaker 1>because you can definitely see that star, and you can

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<v Speaker 1>tell by certain things. You can tell by if the

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<v Speaker 1>star wobbles, if there are other gravitational influences on that star.

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<v Speaker 1>You can tell by the what's known as the transit method,

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<v Speaker 1>if something is passing in front of the star from

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<v Speaker 1>our perspective and causing it too dim. Yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking about it this way. Um, I was

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<v Speaker 1>thinking of beach houses. Imagine you're staying in one beach house,

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<v Speaker 1>you know size a ble beach house, and they tend

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<v Speaker 1>to be you know, with lots of lots of beds

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<v Speaker 1>for multiple families or groups to stay and at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, so you're in one beach house, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you're adjacent to another beach house and you you you

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<v Speaker 1>gaze out at the other beach house. You see some

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<v Speaker 1>lights on and you ask yourself, I wonder if anyone

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<v Speaker 1>is staying there, and you observe it until you find

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<v Speaker 1>definite signs that there is an individual in that house,

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<v Speaker 1>and then then maybe you can count how many individuals

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<v Speaker 1>are in that house. But then if you ask the

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<v Speaker 1>same question about your own beach house, well then you can.

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<v Speaker 1>There are ways to try and figure that out, but

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<v Speaker 1>not the same, not the same ways. Right. You might

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<v Speaker 1>do a bit of listening. You might do a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of roaming around, of of rattling the curiously locked doors

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<v Speaker 1>that go who knows where. That's a really good analogy.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that a lot. And so by running around

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<v Speaker 1>within our own house, we have discovered by say the

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<v Speaker 1>early nineteen hundred, late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds, we

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<v Speaker 1>had discovered a lot stuff. We discovered eight planets at

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<v Speaker 1>that point. The first six planets Mercury, Venus, of course, Earth, Mars, Jupiter,

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<v Speaker 1>and Saturn have been known about since ancient times. The

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<v Speaker 1>ancient astronomers with the naked eye could see them in

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<v Speaker 1>the night sky and charted their movements and all that.

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<v Speaker 1>Then in seventeen eighty one you had Uranus or Uranus.

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<v Speaker 1>We still have to decide which one we truly prefer.

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<v Speaker 1>Uranus was found by Sir William Herschel with a telescope.

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<v Speaker 1>He wanted to name it after King George, and fortunately

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<v Speaker 1>that didn't happen. Uh. Then Laveryer, the French astronomer, predicted

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<v Speaker 1>the placement of Neptune by the wobble in Uranus um

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<v Speaker 1>and he said, I predict there's another planet here and

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<v Speaker 1>you can find it. And then they went and looked

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<v Speaker 1>for it and they did find it. And that was

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<v Speaker 1>in the eighteen forties. So we're up to seven planets

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<v Speaker 1>at this point by the eighteen forties. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>as long as we're snickering at at the planetary name Uranus,

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<v Speaker 1>I do want to throw in to call back to

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<v Speaker 1>an older episode that I hope that one day someone

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<v Speaker 1>writes a science fiction tale in which a starship is

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<v Speaker 1>headed towards Uranus and it's called the Guy a Bolga.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be a great ship title there. That is brilliant.

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<v Speaker 1>That is absolutely brilliant. Wait a minute, I think I said.

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<v Speaker 1>Did I say a minute ago that Neptune was the

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<v Speaker 1>seventh planet. I feel like I've got that ringing in

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<v Speaker 1>my head for some reason. If I said that, that's

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<v Speaker 1>entirely wrong. Neptune is the eighth planet. Obviously. Uh So,

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<v Speaker 1>I apologies if I misspoke. If not, this is just

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<v Speaker 1>maybe something we can edit out. Sorry I had to

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<v Speaker 1>say that before I forgot, But yes, the Guy Bolga,

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<v Speaker 1>that that should be the ship to Uranus. Absolutely much

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<v Speaker 1>more evocative and resonant than Voyager two or whatever they've

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<v Speaker 1>previously used. But let's pull it back and meet a guy.

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<v Speaker 1>You ready to meet a guy A mustachio gentleman. Yes, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so it is time to meet a fellow by the

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<v Speaker 1>name of Perceval Lowell. I think we visited this guy

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<v Speaker 1>on the podcast before. That mustache does look familiar. So

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<v Speaker 1>Perceval Lowell was born to a wealthy, prominent family in

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<v Speaker 1>Boston in eighteen fifty five, the Lowell family. So he

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<v Speaker 1>was brother of a Lawrence Lowell, who was a lawyer

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<v Speaker 1>who ended up becoming president of Harvard University. He was

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<v Speaker 1>also the brother I didn't realize this until recently of

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<v Speaker 1>the poet Amy Lowell, who I guess is considered a

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<v Speaker 1>modernist poet. She sometimes called an imagist. Um. But I

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<v Speaker 1>picked out one of her poems because it had an

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<v Speaker 1>image that seemed maybe a bit relevant to today. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>The poem is called Balls. I'm not gonna quote the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing, but she writes, throw the blue ball above

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<v Speaker 1>the little twigs of the tree tops, and cast the

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<v Speaker 1>yellow ball straight at the buzzing stars. All our life

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<v Speaker 1>is a flinging of colored balls to impossible distances. I

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<v Speaker 1>think the image there is that all our life is

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<v Speaker 1>a flinging of colored balls, like we're doing the flinging.

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<v Speaker 1>But you could also think of it is that everything

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<v Speaker 1>that human life is is being flung around on a

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<v Speaker 1>colored ball in the void of space. Yeah, that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>the whole human experience, just right there on the surface

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<v Speaker 1>of this weird ball among other weird balls. It's always

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<v Speaker 1>a weird thing to consider. I mean, I know a

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<v Speaker 1>Sagan point that out about like the picture of the Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>When you take a picture of the Earth, everything human

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<v Speaker 1>there has ever been is in that picture. Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>pale blue dot that contains our beginning and may well

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<v Speaker 1>contain our end. But anyway, back to Amy's brother, Perceval,

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<v Speaker 1>so Perceval loll. I think in his early days, I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>since he was sort of a man about town, except

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<v Speaker 1>town was like the whole world, and especially like the

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<v Speaker 1>eastern part of Asia. Like, he traveled a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>international fleneur maybe um and he he traveled through the

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen eighties and the eighteen nineties, and at one point

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<v Speaker 1>became foreign Secretary to the Korean Special Mission to the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. But then later in the eighteen nineties, Perceval

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<v Speaker 1>Lowell became more and more fascinated with astronomy, particularly with

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<v Speaker 1>the planet Mars. And there was something interesting going on

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<v Speaker 1>in the late eighteen hundreds with the planet Mars. There

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<v Speaker 1>was this Italian astronomer named Giovanni Chaparelli who had been

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<v Speaker 1>studying the planet Mars through a telescope and he perceived

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<v Speaker 1>what looked to him like a series of lines on

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<v Speaker 1>the surface of the planet that he in eighteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>seven called canally, an Italian word meaning channels. But apparently

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<v Speaker 1>these canally were taken by some English speaking audiences to

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<v Speaker 1>be canals, kind of a false cognate inference, as in

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<v Speaker 1>canals like in Venice, artificial structures made by intelligent tool

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<v Speaker 1>using creatures like us, And this idea kind of became

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<v Speaker 1>a sensation, right, Yeah, this this had a tremendous effect

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<v Speaker 1>on on the way we perceived the planet Mars. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>its effects are still felt today in the way we

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<v Speaker 1>think about Mars, despite everything that we've learned since then. Yeah, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>why how come when we talk about aliens the go

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<v Speaker 1>to is to talk about Martians. Especially in the early

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<v Speaker 1>twentieth centuries, it was always Martians, and when Venusians or

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<v Speaker 1>anything like that, I mean, occasionally Venusians would pop up,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not Santa Claus versus the Venusians. It's Santa

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<v Speaker 1>Claus versus the Martians. Yeah, or in War of the World.

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<v Speaker 1>You know why, why the Martians? The Martian threat? Exactly. So,

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<v Speaker 1>the the idea of alien canals on Mars really got

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<v Speaker 1>Perceval Lowell's gears cranking, and he decided to turn his

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<v Speaker 1>attention and his wealth and his resources to astronomy in

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<v Speaker 1>the eighteen nineties, and in doing this he founded the

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<v Speaker 1>Lowell Observatory and Flagstaff, Arizona, still there today. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>Flagstaff is certainly a great place to gaze at the

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<v Speaker 1>stars and just a cool place in general. I like

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<v Speaker 1>Flagstaff so personal. Lowell became a passionate defender of the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that there was or had been, intelligent civilization on Mars,

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<v Speaker 1>and he put this theory forward in a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>published writings, using observations from the Lowell Observatory to back

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<v Speaker 1>up his argument. And so I want to quote from

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<v Speaker 1>his nineteen sixteen New York Times obituary with a few abridgements.

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<v Speaker 1>The author rights quote the great controversy among astronomers, in

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<v Speaker 1>which he played a leading part, began in nineteen oh

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<v Speaker 1>seven after his announcement that the observations made by his

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<v Speaker 1>astro comical station proved that Mars was inhabited. Professor Lowell

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<v Speaker 1>had put the theory forward tentatively as early as eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Many imminent astronomers in this country in Europe accepted his

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<v Speaker 1>conclusions of nineteen o seven as unassailable. Others were skeptical.

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<v Speaker 1>Professor Lowell's theory begins with the demonstration that the primary

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<v Speaker 1>requisites for human life exists on the planet water, heat,

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<v Speaker 1>and atmosphere. His positive proof of the existence of human

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<v Speaker 1>life on Mars is the network of lines which marks

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<v Speaker 1>certain areas of the planet's face, indicating the digging of

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<v Speaker 1>artificial canals, which would require an intelligence and engineering skill

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<v Speaker 1>as great or greater than possessed by the inhabitants of

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<v Speaker 1>this Earth. So I think he's making a few jumps here, Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the main jump, of course, is that is

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<v Speaker 1>that there are no such canals, and uh. And the

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<v Speaker 1>more we looked at Mars, and then ultimately as we

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<v Speaker 1>began to to send probes to the Red planet, it

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<v Speaker 1>became increasingly clear that there are absolutely no canals. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when we we got photos of Mars from a probe

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen seventies which showed yeah, definitely not nothing there,

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<v Speaker 1>right and and uh and you know we talked about

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<v Speaker 1>this before in the show, and you know, dealing with

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<v Speaker 1>early observations, there is a there's more room to see

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<v Speaker 1>things that are not there, especially if you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>the ability to really kept being a do any photography

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<v Speaker 1>at all. It's so it's very observational and then very

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<v Speaker 1>and then you're very easy to maybe think you see

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<v Speaker 1>something or misremember something you've seen, or or in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>the more you look at it see faint signs of

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<v Speaker 1>the thing you want to see. Yeah, there's so much

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<v Speaker 1>interesting stuff in the history of astronomy about things people

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<v Speaker 1>said they saw during the days of earlier optical telescopes

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<v Speaker 1>without modern instruments and modern uh telephotography, where like the

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<v Speaker 1>ash and Light remember that episode, and the planet Vulcan itself.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that wasn't just predicted like people said they

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<v Speaker 1>saw the planet Vulcan up there by the sun during

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<v Speaker 1>an eclipse. Who knows what they actually saw, but clearly

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<v Speaker 1>the process of astronomical observation was was much cruder back then,

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<v Speaker 1>but Little's Little's argument is kind of funny. So he

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<v Speaker 1>says astronomers can see white surfaces on the poles of Mars, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and he says that these are ice caps, and in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that he's correct about that there are ice

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<v Speaker 1>caps on Mars. But he said they would melt and

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<v Speaker 1>shrink in summer and then freeze and grow larger again

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<v Speaker 1>in winter. And so he observed that the Martian spring

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<v Speaker 1>came and the ice melted, and at that point the

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<v Speaker 1>dark lines or the canals would grow darker quote even

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<v Speaker 1>showing straight black lines criss crossed over the surface and

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<v Speaker 1>over the surface of the orange ochre areas. Uh and

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<v Speaker 1>that he said, these dark lines would disappear again in

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<v Speaker 1>the Martian autumn. And he concluded from this that the

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<v Speaker 1>darkened areas around the canals were flourishing with plant life

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<v Speaker 1>bearing leaves and grasses during the summer, which had died

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<v Speaker 1>away again in the winter when the water froze up

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<v Speaker 1>and became scarce. And from this he argued that Mars

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<v Speaker 1>must have been a very parched planet where water is

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<v Speaker 1>in high demand, which meant that the people who lived

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<v Speaker 1>there would have had to make very careful use of

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<v Speaker 1>a highly limited water supply, or else quote would find

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<v Speaker 1>themselves at last face to face with the relentlessness of

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<v Speaker 1>a scarcity of water, constantly growing greater, until at last

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<v Speaker 1>they would all die of thirst, either directly or indirectly,

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<v Speaker 1>for either they themselves would not have water enough to drink,

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<v Speaker 1>or the plants or animals which constituted their diet would

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<v Speaker 1>perish for lack of it. An alternative of small choice

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<v Speaker 1>to them, unless they were conventionally particular as to their

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<v Speaker 1>mode of death. So Lowell concluded that they had to

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<v Speaker 1>build canals on Mars, that only irrigation on a vast

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<v Speaker 1>scale could prevent the Martians from dying from a lack

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<v Speaker 1>of water, and thus the proof of the existence of

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<v Speaker 1>civilization on the surface of Mars. Well, it's a fun argument,

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<v Speaker 1>and I love the world building off but if you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if they were just purely science fiction, that that would

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<v Speaker 1>be marvelous. But as we've already touched on, uh, evidence

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<v Speaker 1>did not support this theory. Yeah, and there were skeptics

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. We should say, it wasn't like everybody

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<v Speaker 1>believed this until we had a Mars probe, Like take

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<v Speaker 1>photos of the surface from up close. Right, though, certainly

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<v Speaker 1>one of these possibilities is far more exciting than the other,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can understand why that one would be the

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<v Speaker 1>one that the idea of canals on Mars would be uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that would show up in more headlines and

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<v Speaker 1>would and would capture the collective imagination, right uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>and Lowell's career of influential, controversial, and sometimes incorrect observations

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<v Speaker 1>and hypotheses did not in there there was an interesting

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<v Speaker 1>thing I came across where Lowell also believed that once,

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<v Speaker 1>while observing the planet Venus, he saw quote spokes radiating

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<v Speaker 1>from a hub within the planet Venus. But in a

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand three paper by Sheehann and Dobbins Uh, the

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<v Speaker 1>authors argued that what actually probably happened here is that

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<v Speaker 1>because of the way he manipulated the telescope to look

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<v Speaker 1>at Venus, he had accidentally converted it into a crude opthalmoscope,

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<v Speaker 1>which would have been showing him images of the blood

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<v Speaker 1>vessels within his own eyeball. Oh my goodness, and you

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<v Speaker 1>included an image and in our notes here for me

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<v Speaker 1>to look at here, and it does line up rather

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<v Speaker 1>well with the arteries of the eye. Yeah, but it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't stop there either. So Lowell was also in the

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<v Speaker 1>planet predicting business. And we'll discuss his planet predictions when

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<v Speaker 1>we get back from a break. Thank alright, we're back.

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<v Speaker 1>So thus far we've talked about Lowell's thoughts concerning um Mars,

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<v Speaker 1>a known planet, but now we're gonna get into the unknown.

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<v Speaker 1>We get into into the study and the prediction of

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<v Speaker 1>of of hypothetical planets. Yeah, and remember how the eighth

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<v Speaker 1>planet Neptune had been discovered. Again, uh Laveryer looked at

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<v Speaker 1>the orbit of Uranus and said, Okay, by the way

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<v Speaker 1>it's moving, we can tell something is influencing it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not moving based on what our predictions should be. So

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<v Speaker 1>what if we pause it another another object out there

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<v Speaker 1>of a certain mass and a certain position, Then we

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<v Speaker 1>could explain why Uranis moves the way it does. And

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<v Speaker 1>so he posited Neptune, and it turned out Neptune was there.

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<v Speaker 1>He was correct, and so this is a fantastically useful

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<v Speaker 1>and successful prediction based on the laws of physics. So,

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<v Speaker 1>in the early years of the twentieth century, after studying

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<v Speaker 1>the orbits of the outer gas, giants like Uranus and Neptune,

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<v Speaker 1>Lowell tried to do the same thing. He concluded that

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<v Speaker 1>there was another planet yet to be found based on

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<v Speaker 1>those orbits. Something out there is messing with Uranus and Neptune.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet again, like with the correct prediction of Neptune

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<v Speaker 1>and the incorrect prediction of Vulcan by la Verier, this

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<v Speaker 1>was on that basis, on the basis of inferred gravitational

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<v Speaker 1>influences on the orbits of these known objects. So in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen o five or nineteen o six, Percival Lowell initiated

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<v Speaker 1>a massive hunt for this ghost planet. The project was

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<v Speaker 1>initially called the Invariable Plane Search, and the ghost planet

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<v Speaker 1>was called Planet X. And this project went on for

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<v Speaker 1>many years. It proceeded in stops and star throughout several phases,

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<v Speaker 1>even after Perceval Lowell himself actually passed away in nineteen sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>So Perceval Lowell never got to see how this project

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<v Speaker 1>turned out, though he wrote books about He wrote a

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<v Speaker 1>book called I Think Like a Memoir of the trans

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<v Speaker 1>Neptunian Planet. But on February eighteenth, nineteen thirty fourteen years

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<v Speaker 1>after Lowell's death, an astronomer at Lowell Observatory named Clyde

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<v Speaker 1>Tombo actually did discover a massive object beyond Neptune with

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<v Speaker 1>the help of the with the help of a loaned

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<v Speaker 1>sum of money that I think they used to buy

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<v Speaker 1>new instruments from personal Lowell's brother who had been the

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<v Speaker 1>head of Harvard, and this object was Pluto. Though Pluto

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<v Speaker 1>was not nearly as massive as the planet that Lowell

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<v Speaker 1>had predicted out there and later actually turned out more

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<v Speaker 1>accurate measurements of the orbit and massive Neptunes, such as

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<v Speaker 1>by the Voyager two mission, basically obviated the need for

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<v Speaker 1>a planet X to explain our observation. So you actually

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<v Speaker 1>looking at Uranus and Neptune, there was no need to

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<v Speaker 1>to to infer a planet X. So it seems there's

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<v Speaker 1>just no planet out there, right, and now we can

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<v Speaker 1>conclude there's no need to explain anything. It is probably

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<v Speaker 1>there's probably nothing. I mean, we have Pluto to be sure,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh and and again, like we discussed earlier, you

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<v Speaker 1>can go back and forth on exactly how we should

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<v Speaker 1>classify Pluto. But here's the thing. There's no question that

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<v Speaker 1>there are other objects in our Solar system beyond Pluto.

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<v Speaker 1>Pluto is not the stop sign for our Solar system. There,

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<v Speaker 1>there's plenty of other objects out there. Yeah. The Solar

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<v Speaker 1>system kind of has a shell of icy debris floating

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<v Speaker 1>around it. Yeah. And so it's not like you you

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<v Speaker 1>would get to Pluto and there would essentially be a

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<v Speaker 1>sign saying like last stop tell Alpha Centauri. Uh No.

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<v Speaker 1>There there's the possibility for other other things, and we

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<v Speaker 1>know for a fact that there are other things. First,

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<v Speaker 1>there's the general category of trans Neptunean objects, such as

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<v Speaker 1>the dwarf planet Eiris Uh between thirty seven point nine

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<v Speaker 1>and ninety seven point six astronomical units away from the Sun.

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<v Speaker 1>Is actually larger than Pluto by mass, the a little

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<v Speaker 1>smaller by volume. Oh and just quickly, an astronomical unit

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<v Speaker 1>is the distance between the Earth and the Sun. Correct, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so Earth is one a U from the Sun, ETCETERA

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<v Speaker 1>U is is way up. It's way out there. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Other dwarf planets include uh series, um Hamiya, and Makamaki.

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<v Speaker 1>And then consider the said noise. This is where it

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<v Speaker 1>really can to get weird. These are trans Neptunian objects

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<v Speaker 1>with a parahelion. Again, this is a point of least

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<v Speaker 1>distance from the Sun of at least fifty a U.

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<v Speaker 1>So if they're closest to the Sun, they're still beyond

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<v Speaker 1>the Kuiper Belt, which lies thirty to fifty AU from

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<v Speaker 1>the Sun. This is an asteroid belt like scattering of

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<v Speaker 1>leftover debris. And all three known you know, verified said

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<v Speaker 1>noise have really cool names. First of all, there's Sedna,

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<v Speaker 1>discovered in two thousand three, named for an Inuit sea goddess,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's where we get said noise, because when we

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<v Speaker 1>discovered earlier it become a classification. And then there's two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand twelve vp UH one one three a k A.

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<v Speaker 1>Biden discovered in twelve and named for then Vice President

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<v Speaker 1>of the United States Joe Biden. So wow. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder who is the person who has the most

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<v Speaker 1>onion articles written about them? Who also has an asteroid

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<v Speaker 1>named about not an asteroid an object in space named

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<v Speaker 1>after them? Is it Biden? It might be Biden? And

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<v Speaker 1>then the third one of note here, discovered in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen is t G three seven. The t G stands

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<v Speaker 1>for the Goblin. The goblin, Yeah, the Cheddar Goblin. No,

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<v Speaker 1>just the goblin. I mean, if it's Cheddar or not,

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<v Speaker 1>it's too far away. It might be monster so Seddon

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<v Speaker 1>is the largest, the Goblin is furthest away, and all

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<v Speaker 1>of them have really weird orbits. So their distance from

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<v Speaker 1>the center of things from our son varies greatly. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you look at a chart of their of their orbits,

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<v Speaker 1>I really get the sense of imagine, imagine a typical

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<v Speaker 1>orbit that has been stretched out like a rubber band. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so pretty much all the planets I think have have

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<v Speaker 1>elliptical orbits. They're not perfectly circular, but the inner planets

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<v Speaker 1>their orbits are pretty close to circular. You know, there're

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<v Speaker 1>only a few percent off from being circular, but these

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<v Speaker 1>orbits are just massively off from being circular. They are

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<v Speaker 1>super stretched out ovals. And one of the weird things

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<v Speaker 1>I noticed in at least one of the pictures you've

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<v Speaker 1>got here early on, Robert, is that they almost kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like look like they're there. Their parahaliens are kind

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<v Speaker 1>of aligned almost in the same direction. I wonder why

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<v Speaker 1>that might be. Will come back to Yeah, we'll come

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<v Speaker 1>back because that's that's definitely leads to a few different

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<v Speaker 1>mysteries here. Uh. In additional to having just weird orbits, again,

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<v Speaker 1>they are so far away from from the Sun um

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<v Speaker 1>certainly when you look at their their extremes, but even

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<v Speaker 1>at their parahaliens are pretty extreme. The Goblin, for instance,

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<v Speaker 1>has an estimated orbital period what we can think of

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<v Speaker 1>as a year of thirty two thousand, one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen point twenty nine Earth years. That's how long it

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<v Speaker 1>takes for for the Goblin to go around the Sun.

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<v Speaker 1>And to put that in context, a year on Pluto

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<v Speaker 1>is two forty eight Earth years. That's how long it

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<v Speaker 1>takes Pluto to go around the Sun. And this thing

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<v Speaker 1>is that much further away. The goblins distance from the

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<v Speaker 1>Sun ranges from sixty five point one AU to one thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>nine hundred and fifty five AU. Wow, that is crazy

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<v Speaker 1>far away. Yeah, and their additional sadnoid candidates and suspected

0:24:34.040 --> 0:24:36.320
<v Speaker 1>to be many more. We're talking eighty to ninety of

0:24:36.359 --> 0:24:40.760
<v Speaker 1>these critters, and they're distant and weird orbits can't be

0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:45.359
<v Speaker 1>fully explained by the influences of known Solar System objects either.

0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:49.159
<v Speaker 1>So for starters, they're too far from the Sun to

0:24:49.280 --> 0:24:53.680
<v Speaker 1>be influenced by the gas giants, and they're too close

0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:57.560
<v Speaker 1>to the Sun to be influenced by other distant stars.

0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:01.840
<v Speaker 1>So something else is influence and seeing them. But what so,

0:25:01.920 --> 0:25:05.560
<v Speaker 1>there are a few reasonable candidates to consider here. Uh.

0:25:05.720 --> 0:25:07.600
<v Speaker 1>The big one, the main one that we're most interested

0:25:07.600 --> 0:25:10.480
<v Speaker 1>here with is uh that there might be an undiscovered

0:25:10.560 --> 0:25:15.239
<v Speaker 1>giant planet comparable to Uranus or Neptune still orbiting our

0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Sun somewhere out there in the dark. So there could

0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:22.320
<v Speaker 1>maybe be a planet X after all exactly. Another idea

0:25:22.520 --> 0:25:26.000
<v Speaker 1>is that a lost giant planet was ejected from our

0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:29.640
<v Speaker 1>Solar system a long time ago, disrupting orbits on its

0:25:29.680 --> 0:25:33.080
<v Speaker 1>way out of our Solar system. So that would that

0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:35.280
<v Speaker 1>would explain why they all seem sort of skewed in

0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:39.680
<v Speaker 1>the same direction, because some like a massive planetary object

0:25:39.760 --> 0:25:44.399
<v Speaker 1>just came ripping through, pulling everybody out of place. And

0:25:44.440 --> 0:25:47.760
<v Speaker 1>then a final of reasonable theory is that back in

0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:50.880
<v Speaker 1>the stellar nursery days of our Solar system, the Sun's

0:25:50.960 --> 0:25:55.080
<v Speaker 1>fellow proto suns nudged everything out of whack okay, so

0:25:55.119 --> 0:25:57.080
<v Speaker 1>it could be sort of a relic of something that

0:25:57.119 --> 0:25:59.880
<v Speaker 1>happened in the past, kind of like the planet being

0:25:59.880 --> 0:26:02.119
<v Speaker 1>a jected or something moving by. So if I can

0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:04.159
<v Speaker 1>come back to Pluto for a second, I hope that

0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:07.000
<v Speaker 1>for one thing, the idea of the said nooids makes

0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:10.760
<v Speaker 1>everyone feel better about losing or potentially losing pet Pluto

0:26:10.840 --> 0:26:13.440
<v Speaker 1>is a full fledged planet, because ultimately, wouldn't you rather

0:26:14.320 --> 0:26:18.199
<v Speaker 1>just drop Pluto from the list as opposed to just

0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:20.600
<v Speaker 1>adding all these other additional things like no, you don't

0:26:20.640 --> 0:26:24.560
<v Speaker 1>actually want to memorize a bunch of saidnoids. Um. So, also,

0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:27.600
<v Speaker 1>you didn't lose Pluto. Pluto is still there. It's still

0:26:27.640 --> 0:26:29.919
<v Speaker 1>it's still a dwarf planet. You can still include it

0:26:29.920 --> 0:26:33.520
<v Speaker 1>on the list. Like people get way, people get people

0:26:33.560 --> 0:26:35.000
<v Speaker 1>like to get bit out of shape over this when

0:26:35.000 --> 0:26:36.640
<v Speaker 1>there's really nothing to get bent out of shape over.

0:26:36.720 --> 0:26:39.240
<v Speaker 1>There's a reason Pluto is not considered a planet. It's

0:26:39.240 --> 0:26:41.520
<v Speaker 1>in order to make it consistent with the definition of

0:26:41.560 --> 0:26:43.760
<v Speaker 1>a planet that we use for all the other planets.

0:26:43.840 --> 0:26:48.280
<v Speaker 1>And that means that planets have to dominate their orbital area.

0:26:48.359 --> 0:26:51.200
<v Speaker 1>They have to gravitationally dominate their orbital area, and Pluto

0:26:51.280 --> 0:26:53.800
<v Speaker 1>does not. Right, And if you just decide Nope, we're

0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:56.200
<v Speaker 1>gonna count Pluto, then you you have to be open

0:26:56.280 --> 0:26:59.120
<v Speaker 1>to letting other things join the list as well. There

0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:01.879
<v Speaker 1>is dwarf planets and whatnot. So trust this is this

0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:04.959
<v Speaker 1>is the best way, is the best approach forward. Um,

0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:07.239
<v Speaker 1>But again this comes back to the question. All right,

0:27:07.320 --> 0:27:10.919
<v Speaker 1>if there is let's let's assume that first theory is correct.

0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:13.240
<v Speaker 1>If there is a giant planet out there in our

0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Solar system. Uh, and it's it's it's monkeying with the

0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:20.199
<v Speaker 1>orbits of these said noids. Then why don't we know

0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:22.560
<v Speaker 1>about it for sure? Why? And did all these you know,

0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:26.960
<v Speaker 1>the continual classification of exo planets, things as far away

0:27:27.000 --> 0:27:30.240
<v Speaker 1>as Sweeps eleven, which is twenty seven thousand, seven D

0:27:30.400 --> 0:27:33.240
<v Speaker 1>and ten light years away. Why would we miss something

0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:36.440
<v Speaker 1>so relatively close to home. All Right, we're gonna take

0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:38.119
<v Speaker 1>a quick break, and when we come right back, we

0:27:38.119 --> 0:27:42.080
<v Speaker 1>will explore more about the possibility of planet nine a

0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:45.080
<v Speaker 1>K a planet x a K a planet ten. But

0:27:45.160 --> 0:27:47.920
<v Speaker 1>actually it's planet nine a K a planet d M X.

0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:54.359
<v Speaker 1>All Right, we're back, Robert. Wasn't there an X themed

0:27:54.359 --> 0:27:56.879
<v Speaker 1>wrestler or is he not really X themed? I'm thinking

0:27:56.920 --> 0:27:59.800
<v Speaker 1>of Uh he had an X in his name? Well

0:27:59.800 --> 0:28:02.920
<v Speaker 1>they was there was an X pox wrestling? Yes? Yeah,

0:28:02.960 --> 0:28:05.840
<v Speaker 1>Sean Waltman, Yeah he's still around. I believe there was

0:28:05.880 --> 0:28:08.840
<v Speaker 1>a luchador Doctor X because you know, the X X

0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:11.080
<v Speaker 1>looks so good on a mask. You've got to you've

0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:13.320
<v Speaker 1>got to roll that out eventually. It's the coolest letter,

0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:17.080
<v Speaker 1>I guess. So xpox is not like X themed then no,

0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:19.679
<v Speaker 1>not really no, nor does he have any relation to

0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:22.720
<v Speaker 1>Planet X. So we're full on talking about planet X now.

0:28:23.040 --> 0:28:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Though this is confusing because yeah, you mentioned that planet

0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:28.800
<v Speaker 1>x X as the Roman numeral for ten, but this

0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:31.520
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be the tenth planet. This would be the ninth planet,

0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:35.120
<v Speaker 1>would be the planet after the eighth planet, neptune um,

0:28:35.240 --> 0:28:37.560
<v Speaker 1>so it would really be planet nine. And when actual

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:41.120
<v Speaker 1>astronomers an astrophysicists these days talk about this planet, they

0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:43.600
<v Speaker 1>don't usually call it planet X. They call it planet nine.

0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:47.560
<v Speaker 1>That's especially uh necessary, I think, because the Internet is

0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:51.760
<v Speaker 1>just overflowing with Planet X conspiracy theories that I don't

0:28:51.760 --> 0:28:54.480
<v Speaker 1>think we need to get into today. But man, I

0:28:54.760 --> 0:28:57.080
<v Speaker 1>I if you just do a I don't know if

0:28:57.120 --> 0:29:00.400
<v Speaker 1>I recommend this there, do a YouTube search for planet X,

0:29:00.520 --> 0:29:05.000
<v Speaker 1>and there is some apocalyptic, bonkers nonsense out there. I

0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:06.840
<v Speaker 1>think it's all about how Planet X is coming to

0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:09.280
<v Speaker 1>get us. Well, you know, yeah, we're, like you said,

0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:10.800
<v Speaker 1>we're not gonna really get into that today. But the

0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:15.280
<v Speaker 1>great thing is that all of the the actual scientific

0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:18.920
<v Speaker 1>ideas concerning a potential planet nine are far more interesting.

0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:21.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah. So, so one of the things that we

0:29:21.840 --> 0:29:24.400
<v Speaker 1>should mention is that crucial for the demotion of Pluto

0:29:24.920 --> 0:29:28.760
<v Speaker 1>was a Caltech researcher named Mike E. Brown, a colleague

0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:33.560
<v Speaker 1>of a another astronomer named Constantine Batigon. And for several

0:29:33.680 --> 0:29:37.720
<v Speaker 1>years now that these astronomers, Constantine Batigan and Mike Brown,

0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:41.720
<v Speaker 1>have been talking about the possibility that they suspect there

0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:44.920
<v Speaker 1>is an object out there beyond Neptune, out there in

0:29:44.920 --> 0:29:48.600
<v Speaker 1>the dark shepherding the trans neptuney and objects we've been

0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:51.600
<v Speaker 1>talking about, so that they are aligned in roughly the

0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:55.320
<v Speaker 1>same direction, and they're aligned across multiple axes, by the way,

0:29:55.360 --> 0:29:57.680
<v Speaker 1>So that's kind of interesting. Like if you look at

0:29:57.680 --> 0:30:00.400
<v Speaker 1>all of their orbits from the north pole looking down,

0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:03.840
<v Speaker 1>they're all lined up in this one weird direction, as

0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:06.960
<v Speaker 1>if something's pulling them all in the same place. Who

0:30:07.080 --> 0:30:11.000
<v Speaker 1>a giant blind shepherd in the darkness? Yes? What was

0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:14.000
<v Speaker 1>the name of the Cyclops in the Odyssey? And does

0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:19.080
<v Speaker 1>he have an astronomical body named after him? Probably so,

0:30:19.640 --> 0:30:23.000
<v Speaker 1>but he's probably already taken Polyphemus I don't know it's

0:30:23.000 --> 0:30:27.760
<v Speaker 1>Polyphemus up for grabs. I don't know of anything called Polyphemus. Okay,

0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:30.040
<v Speaker 1>I just did a Google search and the only thing

0:30:30.080 --> 0:30:32.200
<v Speaker 1>that came up was that somebody wanted to name a

0:30:32.360 --> 0:30:35.400
<v Speaker 1>moon of Neptune Polyphemus. But I don't think they did.

0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:37.320
<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, well maybe we can keep that one

0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:39.240
<v Speaker 1>clear just in case, because I think that would be

0:30:39.480 --> 0:30:42.120
<v Speaker 1>that would be a really awesome name for one of

0:30:42.160 --> 0:30:44.200
<v Speaker 1>these planets, if I can have any say so. So,

0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:47.640
<v Speaker 1>when the aliens from that planet contact us and they

0:30:47.640 --> 0:30:50.040
<v Speaker 1>say help, someone's attacking me, and we radio back and

0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:52.240
<v Speaker 1>say who's attacking me? And they say, no, one is

0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:54.760
<v Speaker 1>attacking me, you can know they've been tricked by a

0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:57.800
<v Speaker 1>cosmic Odysseus told them his name was no One say so,

0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Disseas is the worst, such a trickster. All right, Well,

0:31:00.440 --> 0:31:02.080
<v Speaker 1>I have derailed us a little bit here. Let's get

0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:04.800
<v Speaker 1>back to this idea of planet nine the blind, a

0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:09.720
<v Speaker 1>potential blind shepherd of the of these distant objects. All right, yeah,

0:31:09.720 --> 0:31:11.720
<v Speaker 1>we'll bring it back. So one thing I should mention

0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:14.040
<v Speaker 1>is that I actually listened to an interesting interview with

0:31:14.040 --> 0:31:17.680
<v Speaker 1>the Caltech astronomer and Professor of planetary science is Constantine

0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:20.840
<v Speaker 1>Batiguan and Uh and and so this this shed some

0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:24.720
<v Speaker 1>light on what he was thinking. Essentially, Uh, Constantine Batiguan,

0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:28.000
<v Speaker 1>and Uh and Mikey Brown have been doing research to

0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:32.040
<v Speaker 1>show there is possible there is a way of explaining

0:31:32.080 --> 0:31:34.600
<v Speaker 1>some of the strange coincidences that we see in the

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:38.480
<v Speaker 1>structure of the outer Solar System, in the structure of

0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:42.000
<v Speaker 1>these like saidnoids, hyper belt objects, these objects that are

0:31:42.000 --> 0:31:44.959
<v Speaker 1>way out there. Then when we track their orbits, they

0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:47.880
<v Speaker 1>seem to line up in this bizarre way where they're

0:31:47.880 --> 0:31:50.640
<v Speaker 1>all sort of pointing in the same direction at one

0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:53.840
<v Speaker 1>end at their parahelion, they're all like it's like they're

0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:56.600
<v Speaker 1>they're just lining up. And then also a strange thing

0:31:56.640 --> 0:31:58.800
<v Speaker 1>is that they're not only lining up in that dimension,

0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:01.440
<v Speaker 1>but if you like look directly at the solar plane

0:32:01.480 --> 0:32:04.760
<v Speaker 1>instead of down on it, they're all sort of elevated.

0:32:04.840 --> 0:32:07.840
<v Speaker 1>They're tipped up across the solar plane in a fairly

0:32:07.960 --> 0:32:11.160
<v Speaker 1>consistent or at least close to consistent way. And that's

0:32:11.160 --> 0:32:14.800
<v Speaker 1>really odd, Like Batiguan talks about how that really wouldn't

0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:17.440
<v Speaker 1>be something you'd expect to see just by chance. So

0:32:17.480 --> 0:32:20.600
<v Speaker 1>the idea here is that what if something has pushed

0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:22.680
<v Speaker 1>them there. It's like, why are all the sheep standing

0:32:22.680 --> 0:32:26.080
<v Speaker 1>in this area? Well, maybe it's because the the the

0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:29.000
<v Speaker 1>shepherd dog or the wolf is standing over here, right,

0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:33.080
<v Speaker 1>And so the problem is we don't know exactly where

0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:36.200
<v Speaker 1>to look for this object if it is out there.

0:32:36.680 --> 0:32:39.400
<v Speaker 1>So lavery A could say, hey, you know, I think

0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:41.239
<v Speaker 1>I know where Neptune is. I'm going to give you

0:32:41.280 --> 0:32:44.200
<v Speaker 1>within one degree of of where to look, and of

0:32:44.240 --> 0:32:46.880
<v Speaker 1>course when they look forward, they found it with the telescope.

0:32:47.200 --> 0:32:50.040
<v Speaker 1>You can't quite do the same thing with this planet

0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:53.400
<v Speaker 1>nine because even the people who think it exists, they're

0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:57.840
<v Speaker 1>inferring it from its influence on objects who have orbital

0:32:57.880 --> 0:33:00.560
<v Speaker 1>periods of like ten thousand years or something, so it

0:33:00.600 --> 0:33:03.080
<v Speaker 1>takes them so long to go around. So we are

0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:05.920
<v Speaker 1>sort of lacking in data to to get the full

0:33:06.120 --> 0:33:09.000
<v Speaker 1>arc to pinpoint exactly where the planet would be to

0:33:09.080 --> 0:33:12.360
<v Speaker 1>cause what we see. But constantin Batiguan thinks that right now,

0:33:12.720 --> 0:33:15.640
<v Speaker 1>the best place to look for this planet is probably

0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:20.080
<v Speaker 1>at an average distance of somewhere around five hundred astronomical units.

0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:24.160
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, five hundred times the distance between the Earth

0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:27.080
<v Speaker 1>and the Sun and so for comparison, you know, Earth

0:33:27.160 --> 0:33:30.560
<v Speaker 1>is one Mars is one point five a U, Jupiter

0:33:30.760 --> 0:33:33.240
<v Speaker 1>is five point to Neptune is about thirty a U.

0:33:33.400 --> 0:33:35.400
<v Speaker 1>So that's starting to get way out there. But the

0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:38.680
<v Speaker 1>distance from Neptune to the ninth planet would be gigantic.

0:33:38.720 --> 0:33:41.120
<v Speaker 1>It would be many times the distance from the Sun

0:33:41.160 --> 0:33:44.760
<v Speaker 1>to Neptune. So it's way way out there in the dark.

0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:47.720
<v Speaker 1>The best estimates say that it would probably have a

0:33:47.800 --> 0:33:51.240
<v Speaker 1>roughly ten thousand year orbit, and also it would probably

0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:56.240
<v Speaker 1>have a very elliptical orbit compared to the inner planets.

0:33:56.280 --> 0:33:58.640
<v Speaker 1>Like the inter planets are elliptical, but they're pretty close

0:33:58.720 --> 0:34:01.920
<v Speaker 1>to circular. This planet would be more like these these

0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:04.560
<v Speaker 1>objects we've been talking about, these Kuiper Belt objects and

0:34:04.640 --> 0:34:08.279
<v Speaker 1>setenoids that have these long ovals, but not quite as

0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:12.600
<v Speaker 1>long as the setonoid, no longer, but not quite that long.

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:15.520
<v Speaker 1>So we've got good reasons to think that there's something

0:34:15.560 --> 0:34:18.120
<v Speaker 1>out there with mass. There. There could be another large

0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:21.080
<v Speaker 1>planet out there with mass that's causing these objects that

0:34:21.120 --> 0:34:23.040
<v Speaker 1>we can see to behave in the way they do.

0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:27.120
<v Speaker 1>But we don't know much about this object itself, right

0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:30.080
<v Speaker 1>because all we have to go on is what it's

0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:32.800
<v Speaker 1>mass would have to be and roughly what its orbit

0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:35.480
<v Speaker 1>is to cause the effects we're seeing. We can't We

0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:37.200
<v Speaker 1>haven't been able to look at it. We don't know

0:34:37.320 --> 0:34:39.840
<v Speaker 1>exactly for sure what it would be made of, exactly

0:34:39.880 --> 0:34:43.040
<v Speaker 1>how big it would be. Um the the estimates I've

0:34:43.080 --> 0:34:45.160
<v Speaker 1>seen tend to think that it's going to be bigger

0:34:45.200 --> 0:34:47.600
<v Speaker 1>than Earth, but it would be sort of like a

0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:51.680
<v Speaker 1>an icy super Earth, with a with an atmosphere kind

0:34:51.719 --> 0:34:54.880
<v Speaker 1>of like the gas giants and an upper atmosphere like

0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:58.760
<v Speaker 1>Neptune or something, but with an icy core, maybe roughly

0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:01.480
<v Speaker 1>five Earth mat us is. I've also seen an older

0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:04.520
<v Speaker 1>estimate that was more like roughly ten Earth masses. I

0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:07.479
<v Speaker 1>don't know if it's been if those represent different points

0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:09.600
<v Speaker 1>of view, or if it's been scaled down since then,

0:35:09.640 --> 0:35:11.719
<v Speaker 1>but the more recent one I saw from Batigan was

0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:14.719
<v Speaker 1>five Earth masses. But as for the makeup, like the

0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:17.319
<v Speaker 1>icy core with the atmosphere on the outside, that's just

0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:19.640
<v Speaker 1>something we have to guess. We don't know for sure.

0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:22.840
<v Speaker 1>And so with an object with an orbit this long

0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:26.560
<v Speaker 1>way out there in the dark, obviously it probably would

0:35:26.560 --> 0:35:29.680
<v Speaker 1>be possible for us to see it with our telescopes

0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:32.560
<v Speaker 1>if we know where to look and what to look for.

0:35:32.920 --> 0:35:35.120
<v Speaker 1>But it's not going to be something that just shows

0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:38.440
<v Speaker 1>up in an obvious way. It's gonna take like difficult

0:35:38.480 --> 0:35:42.200
<v Speaker 1>analysis of uh doing, you know, comparing photos of the

0:35:42.320 --> 0:35:45.759
<v Speaker 1>night sky with deep detail across different nights to see

0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:48.279
<v Speaker 1>what moves. And part of the problem is there's a

0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:50.680
<v Speaker 1>lot of stuff out there, a lot of things moved,

0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:53.120
<v Speaker 1>and so like, if you take a super high res

0:35:53.160 --> 0:35:55.760
<v Speaker 1>photograph with great magnification of a patch of the sky

0:35:56.160 --> 0:35:58.719
<v Speaker 1>across a few different nights and then see what moves there,

0:35:58.960 --> 0:36:02.280
<v Speaker 1>you might get tons of hits, maybe thousands of hits,

0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:04.400
<v Speaker 1>And then you've got to look at those and say, Okay,

0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:07.640
<v Speaker 1>is this a new is this an Kuiper Belt object

0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:09.840
<v Speaker 1>we know about? Is this a Main Belt asteroid we

0:36:09.840 --> 0:36:12.080
<v Speaker 1>know about? Is this a new Kuiper Belt or Main

0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:15.320
<v Speaker 1>Belt object that we did that we didn't know about,

0:36:15.600 --> 0:36:17.759
<v Speaker 1>or is this maybe a planet that we should be

0:36:17.800 --> 0:36:19.800
<v Speaker 1>looking for, right, Because I mean it's you see this

0:36:19.840 --> 0:36:21.880
<v Speaker 1>happen from time to time where it's still think that

0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:24.480
<v Speaker 1>new objects has been discovered, but it's actually an object

0:36:24.520 --> 0:36:27.120
<v Speaker 1>that has already been charted. So there's duplication that can

0:36:27.120 --> 0:36:29.480
<v Speaker 1>take place. Yeah, and so one of the things that

0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:32.680
<v Speaker 1>we can do to help figure out where we should

0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:35.080
<v Speaker 1>look is to rule out certain areas of the sky.

0:36:35.200 --> 0:36:38.120
<v Speaker 1>And that's something that Batigan has been talking about doing.

0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:40.440
<v Speaker 1>Is you can say, Okay, there's no point in looking

0:36:40.480 --> 0:36:43.160
<v Speaker 1>for the planet here. No one wouldn't be here. There's

0:36:43.160 --> 0:36:45.040
<v Speaker 1>no point looking for it here. We know it wouldn't

0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:47.480
<v Speaker 1>be here. And then also you can use other data

0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:51.120
<v Speaker 1>to in for places where it probably shouldn't be. For example,

0:36:51.640 --> 0:36:54.680
<v Speaker 1>we know that it's uh, probably not in in a

0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:58.400
<v Speaker 1>certain sector because if it were, it may it probably

0:36:58.440 --> 0:37:02.040
<v Speaker 1>would have affected the movements in a detectable way of

0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:05.719
<v Speaker 1>the Cassini spacecraft when Cassini was in orbit around Saturn.

0:37:06.320 --> 0:37:09.000
<v Speaker 1>So that tells us probably it's not really close to

0:37:09.080 --> 0:37:11.799
<v Speaker 1>its parahelion right now, right, it's not close enough to

0:37:11.800 --> 0:37:14.880
<v Speaker 1>be having an effect on the inter planet's It's probably

0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:17.719
<v Speaker 1>somewhere a little bit further out if it exists. So

0:37:17.760 --> 0:37:20.440
<v Speaker 1>to come back to my my beach house, uh okay

0:37:20.880 --> 0:37:24.200
<v Speaker 1>metaphor from earlier, Uh, it's like you. They're the rooms

0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:26.839
<v Speaker 1>that you can see and you can you can look

0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:28.719
<v Speaker 1>to them from where you are and see there is

0:37:28.800 --> 0:37:32.800
<v Speaker 1>no mystery stranger in that room. There are rooms where

0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:35.440
<v Speaker 1>you would be able to detect maybe there's a you

0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:37.440
<v Speaker 1>know there, you're right beneath it, and you would be

0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:39.640
<v Speaker 1>able to hear them surely if they were creaking around

0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:40.920
<v Speaker 1>up there. But there are other rooms that you just

0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:43.440
<v Speaker 1>you don't know at this point. Yeah, and so the

0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:46.680
<v Speaker 1>question of whether there is actually a planet nine out there,

0:37:46.680 --> 0:37:51.000
<v Speaker 1>it does remain unsolved, though. Constantine Batiguan seems very confident.

0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:53.920
<v Speaker 1>And the interview I listened to, you know, the host

0:37:53.960 --> 0:37:57.239
<v Speaker 1>asked him, how confident are you that this thing is

0:37:57.280 --> 0:37:59.200
<v Speaker 1>out there? And he's like, well, I used to say

0:37:59.280 --> 0:38:03.920
<v Speaker 1>I was six trillion percent confident um, But then he said, actually,

0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:07.279
<v Speaker 1>you can calculate a good confidence interval by saying, what's

0:38:07.320 --> 0:38:10.600
<v Speaker 1>the probability as far as we know that all of

0:38:10.640 --> 0:38:13.680
<v Speaker 1>these Kuiper Belt objects would have their orbits line up

0:38:13.719 --> 0:38:16.560
<v Speaker 1>the same way like this by chance without some big

0:38:16.600 --> 0:38:20.240
<v Speaker 1>massive object out there to shepherd them into these orbits.

0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:22.800
<v Speaker 1>And according to him, the chance of this happening by

0:38:23.080 --> 0:38:27.040
<v Speaker 1>coincidence is zero point two percent. So by subtraction, he

0:38:27.080 --> 0:38:31.400
<v Speaker 1>says he's nine eight percent confident that planet nine exists.

0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:35.440
<v Speaker 1>So that's very confident. I'm sure plenty of other astronomers

0:38:35.480 --> 0:38:38.480
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be that level of confident. But it's inspiring to

0:38:38.560 --> 0:38:41.960
<v Speaker 1>even think about the possibility that there's this, this, this

0:38:42.040 --> 0:38:44.719
<v Speaker 1>additional planet out there in our own Solar System and

0:38:44.800 --> 0:38:49.959
<v Speaker 1>our own relatively local neck of the cosmic woods, and

0:38:50.000 --> 0:38:53.040
<v Speaker 1>we just merely suspect that it's there, that it's out

0:38:53.080 --> 0:38:56.520
<v Speaker 1>there roaming up through the darkness. Well, I mean, this

0:38:56.600 --> 0:38:58.920
<v Speaker 1>is a this is a great sort of science hunt

0:38:59.200 --> 0:39:01.920
<v Speaker 1>game to play, right. Uh, you know, you you have

0:39:02.000 --> 0:39:04.399
<v Speaker 1>to use the laws of physics as you know them

0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:06.399
<v Speaker 1>and try to figure out what's another way we could

0:39:06.440 --> 0:39:09.400
<v Speaker 1>get data that nobody's thought of before. And so like

0:39:09.440 --> 0:39:12.520
<v Speaker 1>the idea of using the perturbations of the movement of

0:39:12.520 --> 0:39:15.480
<v Speaker 1>a spacecraft. That's that's a smart way to look for

0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:18.759
<v Speaker 1>new data that might not have appeared to you otherwise. Um,

0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:21.360
<v Speaker 1>and and so this is really cool, But at the

0:39:21.400 --> 0:39:24.680
<v Speaker 1>same time, I'm sure really frustrating, especially if you're like

0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:27.520
<v Speaker 1>pretty confident that you think, yeah, we really know, it's

0:39:27.560 --> 0:39:30.800
<v Speaker 1>probably got to be out there, because nobody has discovered

0:39:30.800 --> 0:39:34.080
<v Speaker 1>a planet in the Solar System arguably since either Clyde

0:39:34.080 --> 0:39:38.440
<v Speaker 1>Tombo in the nineteen thirties or since Lavery A and uh,

0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:41.360
<v Speaker 1>and uh McAdams or I think McAdams was the other

0:39:41.400 --> 0:39:43.920
<v Speaker 1>guy who discovered it in the eighteen forties. I mean

0:39:43.960 --> 0:39:47.120
<v Speaker 1>that's been a long time. Yeah, totally, because again we've

0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:49.080
<v Speaker 1>all grown up with this map of the Solar System

0:39:49.120 --> 0:39:52.320
<v Speaker 1>in our our heads. And uh, and you kind of you,

0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:55.239
<v Speaker 1>I don't, I don't remember being taught. Hey, this is

0:39:55.280 --> 0:39:59.399
<v Speaker 1>all subject to change, but but clearly it is. Well,

0:39:59.520 --> 0:40:01.839
<v Speaker 1>you would think that if there is a planet nine

0:40:01.840 --> 0:40:04.440
<v Speaker 1>out there to be discovered, it's also probably going to

0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:07.280
<v Speaker 1>be the last one we're going to discover, because there's

0:40:07.400 --> 0:40:10.279
<v Speaker 1>there's only a limited range of space where planets could

0:40:10.280 --> 0:40:15.120
<v Speaker 1>actually be without without violating what else we know about space. Right,

0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:18.839
<v Speaker 1>It couldn't be closer than where we're thinking this planet is,

0:40:18.880 --> 0:40:21.680
<v Speaker 1>because otherwise we would interfere with the inner planets and

0:40:21.719 --> 0:40:24.840
<v Speaker 1>we would know about it. It couldn't really be farther

0:40:24.920 --> 0:40:27.600
<v Speaker 1>away than where we're thinking this thing is, or else

0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:29.520
<v Speaker 1>it probably would have been like stripped away by a

0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:32.359
<v Speaker 1>passing star as we move through the galaxy. Right, because

0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:36.759
<v Speaker 1>it still needs to be under the power of our son,

0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:40.760
<v Speaker 1>it within the thrall of our Son to be considered

0:40:40.880 --> 0:40:43.279
<v Speaker 1>part of our Solar System, and that's the whole point. Yeah,

0:40:43.280 --> 0:40:46.520
<v Speaker 1>so there's not like opportunities to just discover unlimited more

0:40:46.640 --> 0:40:49.760
<v Speaker 1>planets in the Solar system. Solar system doesn't go on forever.

0:40:49.840 --> 0:40:53.800
<v Speaker 1>Eventually the domain of gravitational dominance of our son ends,

0:40:53.840 --> 0:40:56.839
<v Speaker 1>and other stars become more powerful in their in their

0:40:56.840 --> 0:41:00.880
<v Speaker 1>gravitational influence. So so there's only so much space where

0:41:00.920 --> 0:41:03.359
<v Speaker 1>there could be more planets. And it looks like if

0:41:03.400 --> 0:41:06.960
<v Speaker 1>we discover one more planet out there, that's that's probably

0:41:07.040 --> 0:41:08.839
<v Speaker 1>about it. I don't know, maybe there could be one,

0:41:09.040 --> 0:41:10.640
<v Speaker 1>but it's not like you know that we're gonna find

0:41:10.680 --> 0:41:14.480
<v Speaker 1>ten more planets, and certainly nothing you know, large like that.

0:41:15.320 --> 0:41:18.280
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's a tantalizing mystery. I love the idea

0:41:18.360 --> 0:41:21.080
<v Speaker 1>that there's still mysteries about our Solar system, not just

0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:25.280
<v Speaker 1>space in general, but local mysteries, mysteries inside the house,

0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:29.040
<v Speaker 1>right right. And of course that's not to gloss over

0:41:29.120 --> 0:41:33.800
<v Speaker 1>the many, you know, unsolved problems related to each individual planet.

0:41:33.840 --> 0:41:37.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean just just every just about every optics in

0:41:37.320 --> 0:41:39.840
<v Speaker 1>our Solar system, there's something about it we're still trying

0:41:39.880 --> 0:41:42.399
<v Speaker 1>to figure out. And uh, and and that's just dealing

0:41:42.440 --> 0:41:45.040
<v Speaker 1>with the problems that we know about that's the unknowns

0:41:45.120 --> 0:41:48.080
<v Speaker 1>that we're aware of. Personally, I'm excited. I hope they

0:41:48.160 --> 0:41:50.960
<v Speaker 1>discover another planet in our lifetime. That would be really cool.

0:41:51.360 --> 0:41:53.560
<v Speaker 1>That would that would be cool. And it seems like

0:41:53.560 --> 0:41:56.040
<v Speaker 1>now there's I don't it's not a lock. I wouldn't.

0:41:56.040 --> 0:41:58.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if i'd go to nine percent, but

0:41:58.320 --> 0:42:01.080
<v Speaker 1>it seems like there's pretty good evidence. Yeah, and then

0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:03.920
<v Speaker 1>then what will we name it? I like your polyphemous idea,

0:42:03.960 --> 0:42:06.879
<v Speaker 1>the blind Shepherd out there. Yeah, it's a good name. Yeah,

0:42:06.880 --> 0:42:10.440
<v Speaker 1>assuming nothing else has has has snagged it already. Yeah,

0:42:10.840 --> 0:42:14.600
<v Speaker 1>and assuming that it doesn't attempt to space so disseas

0:42:14.680 --> 0:42:18.400
<v Speaker 1>to come along and screw everything up. That's true. All right, Well,

0:42:18.440 --> 0:42:21.160
<v Speaker 1>we're going to close out this episode, you know we

0:42:21.160 --> 0:42:24.720
<v Speaker 1>we didn't even get into any examples from science fiction,

0:42:24.760 --> 0:42:28.880
<v Speaker 1>though I do believe in Doctor Who the Cyberman home

0:42:28.920 --> 0:42:34.399
<v Speaker 1>world of Manda's is both a ninth planet as well

0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:37.480
<v Speaker 1>as a former counter Earth's at once. Yeah, I think

0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:39.839
<v Speaker 1>it's too at once. I I could have that wrong.

0:42:39.880 --> 0:42:42.520
<v Speaker 1>So I'd love to hear from from our Who fans

0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:45.040
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0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:47.399
<v Speaker 1>there listening to the show. You know, you can set

0:42:47.440 --> 0:42:49.719
<v Speaker 1>it right in this Plus there have to be there

0:42:49.760 --> 0:42:52.160
<v Speaker 1>have to be plenty of other science fiction properties that

0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:55.400
<v Speaker 1>have have utilized this idea of a mysterious ninth or

0:42:55.440 --> 0:42:58.480
<v Speaker 1>tenth planet out there in our solar system. Robert I

0:42:58.480 --> 0:43:02.040
<v Speaker 1>think they're called uvoids to voids, Okay, well who who

0:43:02.080 --> 0:43:04.759
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0:43:04.760 --> 0:43:07.640
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0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:10.719
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0:43:10.719 --> 0:43:16.120
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0:43:16.200 --> 0:43:20.160
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