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Speaker 1: This this One Bill's Live, presented by Call lighta Health.

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Speaker 2: All Right, welcome into a Friday edition of One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Jasker with you, and uh hey, uh

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Speaker 2: right off the bat here, because I I don't know,

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Speaker 2: I turned on the TV this morning, and I don't

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Speaker 2: know why, but I just felt I felt like I

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Speaker 2: had to flip it over to the History Channel because

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Speaker 2: I knew there was going to be D Day programming.

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Speaker 2: You know, obviously today is D Day, and you know,

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Speaker 2: we never want to forget the efforts and the sacrifices

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Speaker 2: made for the liberation of Europe from Nazi occupied Europe.

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Speaker 2: So we should begin the show by remembering those who

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Speaker 2: participated in the D Day invasion on this date in

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Speaker 2: nineteen forty four, As I said, the beginning of the

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Speaker 2: liberation of Nazi occupied Europe American, British Canadian forces, one

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty six thousand of them, counting both airborne

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Speaker 2: troops that were dropped behind enemy lines and then the

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Speaker 2: infantry obviously who made the amphibious landing at Sword Gold, Juno, Omaha,

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Speaker 2: and Utah Beaches on the northern coast of France. All

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Speaker 2: I'm going to say, France liberated eleven months later. How

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Speaker 2: about that for results eleven months in two days, to

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Speaker 2: be exact, that was eighty one years ago today.

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Speaker 1: Most of our for a guy like me sixty even,

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Speaker 1: or my grandfather was too old, my dad was too young,

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know what I mean. So but my

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Speaker 1: dad served in the army late in subsequently, ten years

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Speaker 1: after the war ended. And but so most of us

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Speaker 1: have somebody in our past, you know, our our grandparents

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Speaker 1: or whatever. Who man, oh man, it was. It has

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Speaker 1: unfortunately except for people like you who know, you kind

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Speaker 1: of forget because it gets further and further into the distance, right,

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Speaker 1: less and less of a connection with it. I mean

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Speaker 1: you this day today, for my growing up, it was.

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Speaker 1: You may as well made it a national holiday. It was.

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Speaker 1: It was a big deal. It was a big deal.

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Speaker 1: Now it's just one of those days. It's a commemorative

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Speaker 1: and unfortunately, you know, that's what happens as time passes.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's eighty years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my grandfather was too old too, But he was

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Speaker 2: That's what he was doing yeah, because he was in

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Speaker 1: The way it was told me, Man, I'm an old guy,

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Speaker 1: so I'm older than a lot of people who are

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Speaker 1: listening to us. I'm telling you what. Every single adult,

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Speaker 1: everybody was involved in it, and they were doing something. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean they were and they were looking for something

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Speaker 1: to do. It was. It was an amazing, unbelievable era

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Speaker 1: in our country's history. That it was. It wasn't just like, well,

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Speaker 1: we are.

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Speaker 2: All in it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it was. It was a unique time in our

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Speaker 1: country's history. And commemorating it today and thanks for all

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Speaker 1: those guys and all our family members and men who

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Speaker 2: I think I have this right. The Allied forces numbered

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Speaker 2: eleven different countries, like in totality right now. Obviously the Americans,

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Speaker 2: the British, and the Canadians were the bulk of the

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Speaker 2: D Day invasion, if not ninety eight percent of it.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, so just really kind of you know, you're

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Speaker 2: getting images in your social media feeds today and everything,

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Speaker 2: I mean, because that's just they call them the Greatest

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Speaker 2: Generation for a reason. You know, who knows what this

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Speaker 2: watching There's this cool thing that the History Channel does.

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Speaker 2: They have recordings of surviving soldiers of that invasion, airborne troopers, infantry,

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Speaker 2: should take a trip around the NFL because some things

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Speaker 2: have happened, mostly at the quarterback position. Ravens GM Eric

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Speaker 2: DaCosta was asked about the level of progress in contract

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Speaker 2: talks with quarterback Lamar Jackson on an extension because his

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Speaker 2: contract is now quote unquote out of date in terms

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Speaker 2: of value, and DaCosta said, quote, We've had some conversations

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Speaker 2: before the draft, after the draft in person last week.

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Speaker 2: I think we're in the introductory stage of looking at

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Speaker 2: what an extension might look like end quote. Jackson's current

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Speaker 2: contract averages fifty two million a season, now ranks tenth

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Speaker 2: the top quarterbacks. John Harbaugh, the head coach at the

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Speaker 2: owners meetings, said, Oh, he'll be at the top of

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Speaker 2: the lea and you have to believe. GM. Eric DaCosta

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Speaker 2: was like, have you looked at who's at the top

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Speaker 2: of the league because it's Dak Prescott at sixty million

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Speaker 2: average annual value. Everybody else is at fifty five. We

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Speaker 2: didn't need you to say that. Thanks a lot, coach, dude. Yes,

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Speaker 2: not a lot of leveraging power there.

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Speaker 1: Like they don't know it either, But it's it's always

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Speaker 1: a well, it's always as soon as you sign the contract,

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Speaker 2: Let's not forget like it got a little contentious the

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Speaker 1: Well we don't know if it got contentious, but it

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Speaker 2: Jackson has to be traded at one point, and he.

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Speaker 1: He and his mom are doing his contract.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't have a joke.

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Speaker 1: That's not a joke. He and his mom do the contract.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it. It's an extra degree of difficulty

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Speaker 1: for a guy like DaCosta trying to work with it

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Speaker 1: because you can't during those contract negotiations. I was part

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Speaker 1: But you know, stuff gets said in those meetings that

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Speaker 1: And he doesn't have to say all that stuff the

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Speaker 1: can couch the statements when he relays it to his client,

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Speaker 1: you know, makes it sound not so insulting, disrespectful, dismiss it,

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Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. So when you're in there,

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Speaker 1: I tell Lamar he's not as good as this other guy,

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Speaker 1: not really worried about it because the Ravens are one

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Speaker 1: of those organizations, and for a long time they weren't,

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Speaker 1: but they are now. The Bills are one of those organizations.

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Speaker 1: The Steelers are one of those organizations where you know

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Speaker 1: they're gonna get it done because they've got they feel

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Speaker 2: Jordan Love, Trevor Lawrence, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen all have

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Speaker 2: catch up with Joel Corey from CBS Sports. He's a

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Speaker 2: former NFL agent, and we'll talk to him about that,

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Speaker 2: among other topics concerning contracts and salaries. Less than an

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Speaker 2: hour after we went off the air Thursday, the Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: we see this going, Steve in Pittsburgh, We'll.

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Speaker 1: Go, all right, It's not not that this isn't breaking new.

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Speaker 1: The Pittsburgh Steetors are a much more stable organization with

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Speaker 1: And I think it's going to go much better, much

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Speaker 1: the makeup and all that, but they'll get a chance

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Speaker 1: to maximize. I think Mike tom Will will maximize, and

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Speaker 1: I think that makes it makes them a playoff team.

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Speaker 1: A wild card thought. Yeah, certainly I can't put them

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Speaker 1: It's a one year deal he's going to be.

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Speaker 2: And the quarterback class in the draft next year looks

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Speaker 2: would think that's probably the way it goes. We do remember,

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Speaker 2: Night Football October twenty sixth in Pittsburgh, so he gets

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Speaker 2: who thought a one year contract for Rodgers by the

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Speaker 2: Steelers was quote a joke, and of Rogers said, quote

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Speaker 2: chew on bark and whisper to the gods out there.

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Speaker 2: Now he's a Steeler. So do we think that Rogers

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Speaker 2: executes a clapback move here and chooses to wear number twelve,

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Speaker 2: which is still not retired by the Steelers. Reports are

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Speaker 2: indicating it's unlikely that he wears twelve and is more

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Speaker 2: likely to wear eight. Currently, Pittsburgh punter Corless Weightman wears

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be a big clapback move if he

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Speaker 2: could do that. We twelve start wearing twelve. Oh you

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Speaker 2: thought I was a joke? How about them apples?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? That and I get it too. Terry Bradshaw's he

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Speaker 1: doesn't like the ideas a big obviously a Pittsburgh g

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Speaker 1: signing with the Pittsburgh Steeters is a joke. I don't

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Speaker 2: You're on one Bill's Live.

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Speaker 3: Hey guys, Hey do it banks for taking my call?

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Speaker 5: Guys, I'd like to talk about the James Cook situation. Okay,

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Speaker 4: Just say.

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Speaker 5: Another year, laughed. I guess on your rookie deal. Whatever

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Speaker 5: but I don't think we should move off that numbers

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Speaker 1: Return, compensation in return. Yeah, the Bills could do all

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Speaker 1: My point is, I would have you know, if I'm

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Speaker 1: He's gonna play. Well, he's gonna come up here in

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Speaker 1: this offense. I mean, he may have another sixteen touchdown

435
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: year and then he will hit he will break the

436
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Speaker 1: bank because, let's face it, another team who's getting him

437
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: is getting what they will believe is a better guy

438
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Speaker 1: than what the Bills have because they'll play him more,

439
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 1: they'll give him more opportunity. He gets. He gets spelled

440
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 1: by Tyd Johnson and Ray Davis more than any other

441
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Speaker 1: starting back in the league.

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Speaker 2: Right, all that being said, no one has more touches

443
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Speaker 2: on offense than James Cook over the last three seasons

444
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Speaker 2: for the Bills. No one. Well I get that now,

445
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Speaker 2: that's partly because but he's one of the only guys

446
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Speaker 2: that's been here in the last three years and played there.

447
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's true. But listen to this though, I mean,

448
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,760
Speaker 1: I would like to know and I don't. I mean,

449
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Speaker 1: how many carries at Saquon have last year, how many

450
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Speaker 1: carries over three hundred, Right, how many carries did Derrick

451
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Speaker 1: Henry have over three hundred and McCaffrey on the percentage

452
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Speaker 1: he had out he's injured.

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Speaker 2: Cook at two hundred and seven, you.

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Speaker 1: Get, Yeah, two hundred and seven is yeah, that's like

455
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Speaker 1: half a season or just like two thirds sixty percent

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Speaker 1: of a season.

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Speaker 2: And I wouldn't be so surprised if part of that's

458
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Speaker 2: by design to keep him fresh and to keep him healthy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fine. But another team's gonna come in there

460
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: and say, listen, we're gonna use him up. We're paying

461
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: him fifteen million bucks a year. You hand him the ball.

462
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Speaker 1: You gotta be okay with that if you're James Cook.

463
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Speaker 1: So that's what.

464
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Speaker 2: If he gets his money, he'll be okay with that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but here's the thing. What do you

466
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Speaker 1: have to think as a player. He's been here for

467
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Speaker 1: like we said, three years, and now he's going to

468
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Speaker 1: make more money than he's made so far as a

469
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: salary anyway, I mean you got to ask yourself, Okay,

470
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Speaker 1: I was, I did it last year for less money

471
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Speaker 1: than I'm making this year, So why wouldn't I do

472
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Speaker 1: it again? Well with that on the horizon, yeah.

473
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Speaker 2: I mean, due to his production, he's gotten some escalators

474
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Speaker 2: to kick in, so he is making more than what

475
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Speaker 2: his original rookie contract listed there for a year four

476
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Speaker 2: but still it's it's a pittance compared to what he wants.

477
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Speaker 2: It's probably a third of what he wants. So well, yeah,

478
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Speaker 2: it's gonna be interesting and maybe we get a little

479
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 2: more clarity on it next week to see what happens.

480
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Speaker 2: But he is eligible to be fined as early as

481
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Speaker 2: next Tuesday if he does not report for mandatory mini camp.

482
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Speaker 2: So right, that's kind of where it sits right now,

483
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Speaker 2: and we'll just have to wait and see when we

484
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Speaker 2: get to next Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: He's made He's gonna make more this year in his

486
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Speaker 1: base salary than he's made in his career so far.

487
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: That's not nothing, and he'll he'll feel the benefit of that.

488
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: That's gonna that's a little bit of life changer there.

489
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Speaker 1: But we'll see, right, So, uh yeah, there's no question

490
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: his best route is to play and to really play

491
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 1: well because that increases your value. Now, I get it.

492
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Speaker 1: It's a risk, and I know this too. It's hard, man,

493
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Speaker 1: that's a hard life playing running back in the National.

494
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Speaker 2: Football right, which is why he wants long term security

495
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Speaker 2: in the form of a long term contract. I totally

496
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Speaker 2: get the stance.

497
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Speaker 1: And I get it too. You get like we just

498
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: finished talking about Lamar Jackson. He still got what years

499
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: left on his deal and he's he's back to the table.

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Speaker 1: It ain't fair. It's the way it is. The quarterbacks

501
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: get treated like that because they do different stuff. It's

502
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: a different job than it is playing running back, and

503
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: they get treated better. They get treated particularly a guy

504
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: who's been an MVP, you get treated better, You get

505
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Speaker 1: you know, deferred to, You get looked up that they

506
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Speaker 1: come to you asking for you know, get asking you

507
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Speaker 1: to extend rather than you know, waiting. It's just a

508
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: different world playing quarterback in this league than it is

509
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Speaker 1: playing running back or corner or any other position. So, yeah,

510
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 1: we have all these guys in out even left tackles

511
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: are in a better spot than a running back.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, and they typically play longer.

513
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Speaker 1: And they you know, so there's there are certain Yeah,

514
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Speaker 1: it's just a given. Some of these players come with

515
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: two years left on their deal, say hey, what about it,

516
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: and at leads and the team says, you know what,

517
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Speaker 1: let's talk about it. You might be right, in the

518
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Speaker 1: case of running backs, not so much.

519
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because they're to one of our callers points who

520
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 2: called earlier, it's it's an easy position to find replacements,

521
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Speaker 2: certainly easier than some other positions, like left tackle, like

522
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Speaker 2: Steve said, or a franchise quarterback, or right you know,

523
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Speaker 2: even a top flight alpha wide receiver, although receivers are

524
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Speaker 2: getting easier to find these days too. Got to take

525
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Speaker 2: a break here, but it is the OBL Friday Fan Mailbag.

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Speaker 2: Any question you've got under the sun about the Bills,

527
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: the league, free agency, who's still out there? You let

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Speaker 2: us know. Eight oh three, five fifty one eighty eight

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Speaker 2: five point fifty two, five fifty. Those are the numbers

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Speaker 2: to jump on board your phone calls. Next here on

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Speaker 2: One Bill's Live, presented by co Lout of Health. It's

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Speaker 2: Buffalo Bill's Radio. All right back here on One Bill's Live,

533
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Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker. It's an OBL Friday Fan mail

534
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Speaker 2: Bag edition. Any question you've got that's on your mind

535
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Speaker 2: fired off at us at eight oh three zero five

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Speaker 2: point fifty one eighty eight five fifty two, five fifty.

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Speaker 2: Those are the numbers to join us, and we head

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Speaker 2: back to the phones where Jim in Lakeview is waiting.

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Speaker 2: Let's pull him up here. Hold on a second, I'm

540
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Speaker 2: having trouble pulling them up. What's going on? I think

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Speaker 2: my screen froze.

542
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Speaker 1: Get Jim later.

543
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Speaker 2: We'll get to gym and a sad hang in there, gym.

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Speaker 1: Oh there he is, Jimmy on. Yes, go ahead.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 6: There's a lot of things I like about McDermott as

548
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 6: a coach. They really are, but I think his strategy

549
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 6: and his game time decisions leave a lot to be desired.

550
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 6: But my main point is this, I really believe the

551
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 6: defensive scheme that he employs has a real ceiling, and

552
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 6: while being fairly effective in the regular season, when it

553
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Speaker 6: reaches the playoffs and you're playing against the top notch quarterbacks,

554
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 6: this defense has failed over and over again. And I

555
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 6: know we were disappointed in the twenty twenty four defensive

556
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Speaker 6: performance against the Chiefs. And you've made the point, Brownie,

557
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 6: that the defense lacked a lot of talent last year,

558
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Speaker 6: and I agree with that. But he's had defenses in

559
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 6: the past with the Bills that have been very talented

560
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 6: that all pros scattered all over the defense, but the

561
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 6: result has been the same and My point is is

562
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Speaker 6: that this scheme, and fundamentally I disagree with the scheme.

563
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Speaker 6: When you have the best quarterback in football and you

564
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Speaker 6: employ a bent but don't break defense that allows even

565
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Speaker 6: average quarterbacks to possess the ball for a long time

566
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Speaker 6: and keep your quarterback on the sideline, I think that's

567
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Speaker 6: a losing strategy. And I think that's the ceiling. And

568
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Speaker 6: you know he was fired by Andy Reid, and Andy Reid,

569
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Speaker 6: I don't think so much fired coach McDermott the coach.

570
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Speaker 6: I think he fired his scheme because ever since he

571
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Speaker 6: got rid of McDermott, he has never employed this type

572
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Speaker 6: of defensive scheme. If you watch Kansas City or even

573
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Speaker 6: past McDermott, he has gone away from this bend but

574
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 6: don't break defense. So I think, along with the other faults,

575
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 6: and again I like a lot of what mctee does,

576
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Speaker 6: I think his scheme has a real, real ceiling, and

577
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Speaker 6: that ceiling we see it over and over again being

578
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Speaker 6: exposed in the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So, while I respect everything that you're saying there, Jim,

580
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Speaker 2: I just want to pose this to you. So I

581
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Speaker 2: believe part of what has hamstrung the defense in the

582
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Speaker 2: playoffs is the fact that they have not had an

583
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Speaker 2: elite talent healthy and available to play up front on

584
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Speaker 2: the defensive line. And the reason, and I'm gonna pose

585
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Speaker 2: this question to try to illustrate this. Would you rather

586
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Speaker 2: have Chris Jones or George Karloftis than any other defensive

587
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 2: lineman on the Bills?

588
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: No?

589
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Speaker 6: And I get your point, but you know, not every

590
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 6: successful team football team has had that kind of talent

591
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Speaker 6: defensive line. And I'll point out, you know, He's brought

592
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Speaker 6: teams into that playoffs with the best safety tandem in

593
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Speaker 6: football and all Pro cornerback in Tradevius White, an all

594
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Speaker 6: World linebacker, and Matt Mulano. And you know, you can't

595
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 6: have everything, and no defense really has everything. Right, If

596
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 6: you have a defensive scheme that requires everything, that's not

597
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 6: an effective defensive scheme.

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Speaker 2: All right, I'll let you. You made your points. I

599
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 2: respect him. I don't know if I completely agree with them.

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Speaker 2: I just don't think that the Bills have had e

601
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Speaker 2: leite talent up front, which is probably the most important

602
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Speaker 2: place to have it. Because the thing that I keep

603
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Speaker 2: coming back to looking at all the playoff defeats defensively,

604
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Speaker 2: and if you disagree or you have a different opinion,

605
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 2: and Steve, that's fine. Is quarterbacks have had have not

606
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: been threatened, pressured hurried enough in the playoff matchups that

607
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 2: the Bills have had, most notably in the ones in

608
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: which they have been eliminated. Quarterbacks have too much free

609
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 2: reign to operate and make their offense hum and I

610
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 2: think it puts the Bills in a disadvantageous position defensively.

611
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 2: And that's why I was encouraged by all the investment

612
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: in the defensive front this offseason, because I think it

613
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: could finally have the potential to provide the consistent pressure

614
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 2: that this scheme necessitates from just the front four. Once

615
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,439
Speaker 2: this team starts blitzing at a high rate on third down,

616
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 2: it has to make sacrifices elsewhere. And this team on

617
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 2: third down last year blitzed at a rate of forty

618
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Speaker 2: four percent, it was the fourth highest in the league.

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Speaker 2: Because they could not get pressure with just their front

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Speaker 2: four on a consistent basis at all, and I think

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Speaker 2: that is what is largely compromised the scheme for the

622
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Speaker 2: better part of the last three years. They tried to

623
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Speaker 2: address it with the von Miller signing his ACL injury

624
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 2: compromised that, and now they've tried to make a gigantic

625
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 2: investment in their defense in front this offseason, both in

626
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 2: free agent signings and in draft picks. I think to

627
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 2: try to stem that tiede. They know what's missing, I believe,

628
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Speaker 2: and I think they're going to try to remedy that

629
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Speaker 2: with the numbers they've added this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the defensive philosophy, the philosophy you're referring to it

631
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Speaker 1: in the NFL. It's not like it was when I

632
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 1: was growing up and when maybe when you, Jim, were

633
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: growing up. The way it works these days is you

634
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 1: look at the players you have and your system fits them.

635
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Speaker 1: You don't fit players into your system. You fit your

636
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: system into your players. And the Brownie it's tip and

637
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 1: it's illustrated by the facts. Brownie just said they had

638
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 1: to blitz almost more than anybody else in the league

639
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: last year to get pressure on the quarterback. And you

640
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:13,479
Speaker 1: said it yourself, the caller did, Jim, Yeah, that these

641
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: other these mediocre quarterbacks are looking awesome against our defense.

642
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: And it starts because they don't have to worry about

643
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: getting sacked. One plays into the other. So whatever system

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00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: the Bills are run or are capable of running. Is

645
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: dictated by the level of talent and how successfully are

646
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: in one on one matchups up front and in the secondary.

647
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 1: And if you're not winning or don't have enough guys

648
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: to win those matchups, you got to adjust. And it

649
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: starts to look softer and softer. And so what you

650
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: do is as a and what what it devolves into

651
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: is you just hope the other team makes a mistake.

652
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: You want to keep them in front of you, make

653
00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: them go the long way, make them put together a

654
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: fourteen play drive or a twelve play drive so that

655
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: some point they'll miss a third down catch and have

656
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: to punt it. You put it on them to make

657
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: it because your guys can't get them off the field.

658
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: That's the defensive philosophy. That looks, you know, distasteful to you,

659
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: and it's just tasteful everybody. Nobody likes looking like that.

660
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: But that's what they did last year, and that's what

661
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: they were forced to do because they didn't win enough

662
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 1: matchups up front or on the corners or in the

663
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,839
Speaker 1: edges or in the secondary. You just can't. And who's

664
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: here's the thing. If you're playing man to man and

665
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: you're winning two of the three matchups. In the secondary,

666
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: a high school quarterback can fight the third option and

667
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: hit him. That's that's and the high school quarter he's like, wow,

668
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: that look at that high school quarterback. He looks great. Well,

669
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: you know, if you do that and you're playing in

670
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: the NFL against anybody, that quarterback is going to look

671
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 1: really good because they'll find him. That's That's the dilemma

672
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: that faces a team that doesn't have a pass rush

673
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 1: that gets it done fast and consistently.

674
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: I mean, the last two double digit sack sack players

675
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 2: on this roster was Leonard Floyd a couple of years

676
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: ago with ten and a half, and then you got

677
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 2: to go back to Lorenzo Alexander in twenty fifteen or sixteen.

678
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: I think it was so like a true alpha pass

679
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 2: rusher has been absent. It makes a difference, and I

680
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 2: think they feel like they're cultivating one potentially and Greg Russeau.

681
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 2: But it's a big reason why they signed Joey Bosa

682
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 2: because he's a proven pass pressure player. You gotta hope

683
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 2: he's healthy for the playoffs, but you got to have

684
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: it up front, and I think they finally have made

685
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: that investment many times over to try to rectify that

686
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: problem because too many times you see these playoff quarterbacks

687
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,479
Speaker 2: who are a lade in their own right. You can't

688
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 2: let them just sit back there and pick your defense apart.

689
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,879
Speaker 2: And when you can't get pressure with your front four

690
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 2: in this scheme and you have to commit more people

691
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 2: to the rush, it compromises your coverage on the back end.

692
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 2: And we've seen it time and time.

693
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: And Greg Russeau, if you're gonna cultivate that guy in

694
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: Greg Russeau, well you're five years into that cultivation process.

695
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: And usually but again you're also not picking at the

696
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: top of the draft because of the success that you've

697
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 2: had too, So that's the other element there. So yeah,

698
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 2: it had to be addressed. We feel like they've addressed

699
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 2: it to a great degree this offseason. Let's see if

700
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: it changes the conversation with respect to scheme and results

701
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: in the playoffs. Let's go to Dave and Wyoming next.

702
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 6: What's up, Dave, Hey, boys, how we doing good?

703
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 4: Yeah?

704
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Speaker 7: Great, great to hear from you, guys, and thank you

705
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 7: very much for taking my call.

706
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 4: I really appreciate it.

707
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 7: No worries, So drive it across the interstate here, and

708
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 7: I've been listening to you guys for the last probably

709
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 7: two weeks and couldn't get in on a phone call.

710
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 7: So we're gonna go back a little. But let's talk

711
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 7: Olympic flag football. This kind announced when you guys announced

712
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 7: it on your on the radio show.

713
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 1: Here.

714
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Speaker 7: The first name that came to my mind Trey White.

715
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 7: Trey White goes a lot of different places, and I

716
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 7: think really fits that role and can do really good

717
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 7: at that Olympic level, even if it is four years

718
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 7: down the road. I think he still has jump and

719
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 7: I think he's still got step. He can make things happen.

720
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Speaker 2: Okay, that's an interesting choice.

721
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: Interesting go ahead.

722
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 7: To another guy to consider and not a bill. But

723
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 7: is Tim Tebow's day of football over? You know nobody's

724
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 7: thinking about him, but he's still out there, and that

725
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 7: guy reinvents himself, damn near every time he stumps on

726
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 7: onto the football field. Something to think about, all right,

727
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 7: Uh to James Cook, at what point in time to

728
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 7: maybe our veterans have a nice little sit down with

729
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know if this has even happened yet,

730
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 7: but have it a little sit down with him, going, hey,

731
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 7: we've made all of these moves. We're going to the ship.

732
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 7: We're going to win the ship. Are you with.

733
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Speaker 8: Us or not?

734
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 7: And the last time somebody decided to make themselves more

735
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 7: than the team didn't exactly work out for them, Steph Dicks.

736
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 7: So at what point in time does that conversation happen

737
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 7: or does Brandon Bean sit back and say, maybe we

738
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 7: can get something for this guy, trade him while he

739
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 7: still has value and work something works something that way,

740
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 7: and you know, do the magic that Brandon Bean does. Yeah,

741
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 7: number three. Number three is and I'm sorry, I know

742
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 7: I'm taking a lot of time. Number three is a

743
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 7: defensive line. The Eagles showed just how much value those

744
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 7: positions have in a game. They took what is or

745
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 7: what was a very high powered office and made them

746
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 7: pedestrian in the Super Bowl. And I think there's a

747
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 7: lot of teams that are going to be really looking

748
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 7: and analyzing that coming into this season. I think the

749
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 7: Bills have a very similar offense or similar type of

750
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 7: offensive makeup that the that the Chiefs do. Does that

751
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 7: play a role or does the anticipation of what basically

752
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 7: the the Eagles exploited last season against the Chiefs effect

753
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 7: or would it effect of the Bills on how they

754
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 7: take the field and what they're doing.

755
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 8: I'm going to hang up.

756
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 7: I'm gonna listen to you guys on the radio.

757
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 4: Love you guys.

758
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 7: Thank you very much. Steve Taster a huge fan. You

759
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 7: shared Tasmanian Devil. It was awesome. Award every Sunday, So

760
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 7: thank you very much. You guys have a great one.

761
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: Ye.

762
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: Thanks.

763
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: Paul gave a couple of things that there's a lot

764
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: in that number one Trey White and Tim Tebow and

765
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: the flag football team. Man, they'll be they'll be eligible

766
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: because it's going to be you know, James Cook. Yeah,

767
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: they're gonna that's gonna work itself out. There's no animosity

768
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 1: here yet. There's no reason to think James Cook isn't

769
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 1: gonna come in and play well, play and play well.

770
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: I haven't heard anything to the contrary. Certainly he has

771
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: made it no and he wants a new contract. We

772
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 1: don't know that it's been contentious in any way, shape

773
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: or form. But I don't think the Bills are going

774
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: to redo it unless he takes less than fifteen million,

775
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: which is the number number of right d line. Phillip listen, Yes,

776
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: Philly's the latest team to do that. You look back

777
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: at the Legion of Boom and Boom in Seattle. That

778
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: was the greatest defensive performance in the Super Bowl in

779
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: history because of the offense they played. They played Peyton Manning,

780
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: Wes Welker, all that they played an offense that was

781
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: an absolute record. It was an absolute juggerna. It was

782
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: the greatest offense statistically, and they were off the charts good.

783
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: The Denver Broncos that year with Peyton Manning getting to

784
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl against the Seattle Seahawks and the front

785
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:03,479
Speaker 1: four of the Seahawks crush them three to eight, forty

786
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: eight to six or something. It was horrible. They looked horrible. Yes,

787
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: everybody knows that in the NFL, the d line who

788
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: can dominate any play any team, is gonna give you

789
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: an edge. Now, the difference between Kansas City and Buffalo

790
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: at the current point in history. Buffalo's got a much much,

791
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: much better offensive line, and they got a quarterback who

792
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: is more difficult to sack statistically than any player in

793
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: the league, any player, any quarterback, No quarterback gets sacked

794
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: less percentage of the time than Josh. So they got

795
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: the good offensive line and they got a guy who

796
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: can outrun and get out of the pocket as well.

797
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: That makes Buffalo a different kind of matchup even than

798
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: Kansas City for teams coming in to face it. But yes,

799
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: the defensive line is paramount to success.

800
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 2: And we're up against the break here. But we will

801
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 2: address players having to come to Jesus moment with a

802
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 2: player that might be holding out for a contract. Steve

803
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: can address that, and then we'll address the light glihood

804
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 2: that Bean gets to a point where he would consider

805
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 2: a trade. We'll address both of those things when we

806
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: come back here on One Bill's Live presented by Colida Health.

807
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 2: It's Buffalo Bill's Radio. All right back here on One

808
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 2: Bill's Live. And I wanted to wrap up all the

809
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 2: questions that our last caller had. One was, you know,

810
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 2: does it ever get to a point where Brandon Bean

811
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: considers trading James Cook. I don't think that happens, number one,

812
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 2: because in a trade, you're probably not getting back the

813
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 2: same level of talent at the same position, and you're

814
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 2: trying to go for the whole enchilada here this season,

815
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 2: you need James Cook.

816
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: To get a sixth round or fifth round, or for him.

817
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe something slightly better. But yeah, you're not. You're not.

818
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: You're not getting back the level of tw talent. You

819
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 2: need to go win a Super Bowl. You know that

820
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 2: James Cook gives you on the field, So I think

821
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 2: it would have to get enormously contentious and acrimonious to

822
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 2: get to that point. James Cook knows he needs to

823
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 2: play to maximize his value. The Bills know they need

824
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 2: James Cook if they're going to really make a Super

825
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: Bowl run, because he is their feature back and their

826
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 2: most dynamic athlete maybe on the entire offense with the

827
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 2: exception of Josh. So they need each other. And that's

828
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: why I think somehow, some way that this reaches a resolution.

829
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 2: I don't know if it reaches a resolution in the

830
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,439
Speaker 2: form of a long term contract extension, but I think

831
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,640
Speaker 2: some way, somehow he's back on the field now. The

832
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: other question that was asked was do other players on

833
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,439
Speaker 2: the roster put pressure on James and sit him down

834
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 2: and say, hey, let's get this extension done. We're trying

835
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 2: to go win a championship. I'm leaving that to Steve

836
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 2: having been in the locker room and been around conversations

837
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: like that.

838
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: It's different with every guy James Cook. He know, he's

839
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: of a quiet dude. We don't hear much from him.

840
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: But some guys. You will sit down and have a

841
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: conversation with eight guys around the locker room, say I'm

842
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: thinking about this and that and there, and they'll tell

843
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: him no holds barred about what he should do from

844
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: their perspective, and they'll have and you'll have different opinions

845
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: in there. You'll have guys saying, shoot, I wouldn't play

846
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 1: it down for these guys. You know, I'd hold out

847
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: and do all this stuff. And then another guy says, well,

848
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, I you know, uh yeah. You'll have

849
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: some very close friends on the roster and you'll intimate

850
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: to them what your plan is and you'll get their feedback,

851
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: no question about it. And whether there are advice is

852
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: the same as ours is sitting here in these chairs,

853
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,839
Speaker 1: you know, light years away from the locker room, or

854
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: whether it's exactly like ours, it doesn't mean he's gonna

855
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 1: he's It doesn't mean he's going to listen to it.

856
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: It's his career, his decision. And like I told Brownie

857
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 1: during the break, I said, I get it. All this

858
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: stuff you're saying listen, it makes sense for him to

859
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: just come in and play his contract and hit the

860
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: open market. That's what free agency is. The mother load.

861
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 1: You want to get to free agency as a player.

862
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: The problem with James Cook is he's got another year

863
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: to play before he gets there. I fully anticipate him

864
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: hitting the free agent market unless the Bills have made

865
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: him an offer that at the end of this season,

866
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: he says, I'll take it. That's what every player wants

867
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: to because that's where you make money. Free agency. You

868
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: can sign an extension with your own team. But let

869
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: me tell you, you don't think Josh. Somebody would have

870
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: paid Josh Allen sixty million if he hit the free

871
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: agent market or seventy million Josh Allen, think about that. See,

872
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 1: he he signed the deal, he didn't have to write.

873
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 1: So that's where the money is. And to get there

874
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: is the big question. How do you get there? The

875
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 1: problem is that all that sounds logical, it sounds smart,

876
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: it sounds reasonable. All of that's for us, But James

877
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: Cook sitting there going okay. So I go in and

878
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: the first day of training camp, I pop my achilles

879
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: and I'm done for the year, maybe forever. Now what

880
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: so there's always that, and that's why I crush baseball

881
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: all the time over this. What do you you know

882
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 1: you're on a fifteen day disabled list because you got

883
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: a blister on your throwing hand. You know what, I

884
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: am unimpressed by that sport. So baseball they don't have

885
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: to worry about popping their achilles taking batting practice. In football,

886
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: you do, you're gonna get you get hurt in practice.

887
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: So and it's in every day you practice ten times

888
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: more than you play. So that is out there all

889
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: the time in football, and it's a real consideration for

890
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: every player when they do their contracts, when they train,

891
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: where they train, who's around them when they train, who

892
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: they train with, because injury is always like it's like

893
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: one of those little guys right there on your shoulder.

894
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,240
Speaker 1: It's like your conscience, it's right there on your shoulder,

895
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 1: and you're sitting there with a chance. Let's face it,

896
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: it's on the table now with the t Saquon Barkley extension,

897
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: with a Derrick Henry contract, fifteen million bucks a year.

898
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: For a guy like James Cook, that's right there if

899
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: he can get the free agency. So that's a that's

900
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: a big burden, yep. And it's a big dilemma and

901
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 1: you do not want to risk it if you don't

902
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: have to.

903
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 2: We got to take a break here as we're at

904
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 2: the top of the hour, but coming up an hour

905
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 2: number two, we'll be joined by CBS Sports NFL Contract

906
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 2: and Salary cap expert Joel Corey. We'll have him way

907
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 2: in on what a James Cook extension could look like

908
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 2: if one comes to pass, among other subjects here on

909
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:51,439
Speaker 2: One Bill's Live.

910
00:50:51,760 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 9: We'll be back in a minute.

911
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: This One Bills Live presented by Kalida Health.

912
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 2: All right, now we number two on a Friday. Chris Brown,

913
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 2: Steve Tasker with you and please to be joined now

914
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 2: by CBS Sports NFL Contract and Salary CAB expert Joel

915
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 2: Corey joining us here on the show. And you know,

916
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 2: I know you probably have a pretty good idea on

917
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 2: where we want to start because James Cook, as we know,

918
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 2: is looking for a long term contract extension and during

919
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 2: the final year of his rookie contract, and there clearly

920
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 2: is a disconnect in terms of what his value is

921
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 2: between his camp and the Bills camp. I'm of the

922
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 2: that it stems from the fact that he isn't utilized

923
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 2: in this offense as much as some of the higher

924
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 2: earners at the running back position. I'm talking about three

925
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 2: hundred carry a year, guys like Derrick Henry or say

926
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 2: Kwon Barkley or even Josh Jacobs. He has two hundred

927
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 2: and seven carries last year. They have a third downback

928
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 2: that they really like in Ty Johnson, and that's probably

929
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: going to continue again this year. And you have Ray

930
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 2: Davis in his second year that it's gonna probably vulture

931
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 2: some carries away from him. Again, what do you believe

932
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 2: is the Cook camp counter to that argument on value?

933
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 10: Well, that's the problem that he isn't in every down back,

934
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 10: and if you want to be paid the top of

935
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 10: the mark, you have to be in every down back.

936
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 10: But they're going to look at his productivity when he's

937
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 10: on the field that he does get in the end

938
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,479
Speaker 10: zone more than practically any other running back and think

939
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 10: that that's where the value comes in. He's interesting from

940
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 10: the standpoint he has no brother, Dalvin Cook, who signed

941
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,759
Speaker 10: a few years ago for about twelve a half million per year,

942
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 10: so he's definitely gonna want to beat that. I don't

943
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 10: know if he gets that from Buffalo. That fifteen million

944
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 10: per year that he reportedly wants is definitely out of

945
00:53:13,120 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 10: the question. Last year had guys like Ramonde St Stevenson.

946
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 10: The last Yerockie contract signed for nine million per year

947
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 10: with incentives which could take it up to twelve. So

948
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 10: you're not getting a deal with fifteen, maybe not twelve.

949
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 10: One thing I do know for sure is he will

950
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 10: not be holding out because he has three years of service.

951
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 10: For a free agency, if you don't have four accrued seasons,

952
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 10: which you need to be unrestricted, then he's not gonna

953
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 10: get the fourth one if he doesn't show up to

954
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 10: training camp on time. By how the CBA works, so

955
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 10: he could play all seventeen games this year. If he

956
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 10: shows up two days late for training camp, he still

957
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 10: have three recrued season. He'd be an unrestricted free agent.

958
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 10: So he will be there on time. Whether he holds in,

959
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 10: it doesn't do anything. If it doesn't have a new deal,

960
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:03,320
Speaker 10: it's a different story.

961
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's that's give us an idea of what

962
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: that looks like. He's got to show up on time. Now,

963
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: what about OTAs does that count into that equation?

964
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 10: No, it's just for mandatory training camp. So you have

965
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 10: to report on time. It used to be in the

966
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 10: old CBA thirty days before the first regular season game,

967
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 10: so you can miss about eight days of training camp.

968
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 10: Now under the twenty twenty CVA time voluntary stuff doesn't matter.

969
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 10: Mini camp, that doesn't matter. If you could find about

970
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 10: one hundred and ten thousand dollars for missing all three

971
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 10: days of mini camp. But if you don't show up

972
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 10: to training camp, find time, you don't have enough accrude

973
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 10: seasons for free agency unrestricted free agency, you won't earn

974
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 10: the last one you need. So no scenario should he

975
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 10: not report to training camp find time without a new deal,

976
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 10: so he's going to be their new contract or not

977
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 10: for that one reason.

978
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: That's that's something we didn't I didn't know that, and

979
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 1: that's because I knew that you had. In my day,

980
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: it was very different. You had to play three games

981
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: into the season to get a crude season. Now it's

982
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: just training camp. You got to be there on time

983
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: or else. And that's that's huge, because.

984
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,399
Speaker 10: Yeah, but that's always been in the CB in one way,

985
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 10: shape or form. And once you have four crude seasons,

986
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 10: it doesn't matter if you get another one. So if

987
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 10: you like Micah Parsons, for instance, has four crude seasons.

988
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 10: He's playing on the fifth year option. If he doesn't

989
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 10: show up the training camp on time, plays out the

990
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 10: fifth year option, he still has four crude seasons, so

991
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 10: technically he would be underrestricted, although he'd never hit the

992
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 10: open market because he get a franchise stack.

993
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: Right, how realistic do you think it would be if

994
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 2: you know, the Bills come to him and make an

995
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 2: offer where maybe over a three year extension, it looks

996
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 2: like it's fifteen a year, but it's really but it's

997
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 2: really only that. Maybe like let's just say they give

998
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 2: him thirty million in the first two years of a

999
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 2: three year extension. But with that three year extension, you know,

1000
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 2: it spreads the money out for the Bills where the

1001
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 2: average annual salary is in fifteen, but in the first

1002
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 2: two years he gets fifteen per season, Like, could something

1003
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 2: like that bridge the gap? Perhaps I'm trying to get creative.

1004
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:20,759
Speaker 10: Here, Yeah, I would want something more like that than

1005
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,880
Speaker 10: what I was thinking would be the other scenario, which

1006
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 10: is you are cosmetically fifteen million per year, but you

1007
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 10: really are never going to play the last year because

1008
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 10: there's like eighteen nineteen million dollars in the last year.

1009
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 10: But if I could get it front loaded, then I

1010
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 10: would take my chances on having the lower averages because

1011
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 10: I'd have a more player friendly structure. I think you're

1012
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 10: more likely to see, you know, an agent should doing this,

1013
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 10: and I was never one who advocated this or liked

1014
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 10: or did a deal like this that I can go

1015
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,560
Speaker 10: out and say I got my fifteen million per year

1016
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 10: for recruiting purposes, But when you start looking at the details,

1017
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 10: say that's forty five and new money over three years.

1018
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 10: So but let's say you got twenty million in the

1019
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 10: last year, so that's really only going to play two

1020
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 10: years on that deal. That was although you could say

1021
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 10: it was fifteen million per year, that was Alvin Kamara

1022
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 10: when he signed his deal. That that last year when

1023
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 10: they redid it was so much you had twenty million

1024
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 10: in the last year that he was never going to

1025
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 10: play on it. But just the agent for cosmetic purposes

1026
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 10: could say it had a higher average. I could see

1027
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 10: something like that happening.

1028
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: What are some of the because we've been talking about

1029
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: this and I read some of your stuff on it.

1030
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: The salary cap is fascinating, and you had an article

1031
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: a little while back about some of the tweaks that

1032
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: the NFL the league may want to make. Roger Goodell

1033
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: said some things about it in an interview that maybe

1034
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: they're looking to tweak the CBA about you know, the

1035
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 1: salary cap, how it's work. Is it working for the owners?

1036
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: Is it working for the players? The split right now

1037
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: is like, what is it fifty one and a half

1038
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: to forty eight and a half percentage wise revenue? And

1039
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: you know that could adjust up or down depending on

1040
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: TV contracts. What are some of the issues that the

1041
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: owners have with the current CBA and how they might

1042
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: want to change it.

1043
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 10: Well, the big one that's coming that seems inevitable is

1044
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 10: the eighteenth regular season game. And what are the players

1045
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 10: going to get for the eighteenth regular season game? They

1046
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 10: didn't they didn't get enough to me for a seventeenth

1047
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 10: regular season game. This could be where some of this

1048
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 10: is coming from, to try to limit what the players

1049
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 10: can actually extract as a concession for an eighteenth game.

1050
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 10: If you're all of a sudden saying we don't like

1051
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 10: the economics of how the salary cap works and we

1052
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 10: want to change some of the rules where you can

1053
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 10: manipulate the cap. Maybe that's really a ploy to limit

1054
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 10: what the players can get for the eighteenth game. But

1055
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 10: some teams have taken it to an extreme with avoiding

1056
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:04,919
Speaker 10: dummy years in contracts. It used to be you would

1057
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 10: have some teams pick up one or two voting years

1058
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 10: of put them in contracts. But the Eagles with their

1059
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 10: signing bonus option bonus structure recently, they have four and

1060
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 10: five dummy years which will end up being tacked on

1061
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 10: to contracts. And the reason you have those is you

1062
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 10: can proate a signing bonus for five years, so as

1063
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 10: the contract keeps going on, then if you restructure, you

1064
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 10: can prate over more years. But if the guy actually

1065
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 10: plays out the contract, any money in the voiding dummy

1066
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 10: years becomes of cap charge. The Buccaneers, when Tom Brady retired,

1067
00:59:43,600 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 10: because they've been doing that with his contracts, had a

1068
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 10: thirty five million dollar cap charge in twenty twenty three

1069
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 10: from the bonus pro ration those dummy years when he

1070
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 10: acts or retire. So that's the kind of thing that

1071
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 10: they're trying to at least that Goodell is alluding to.

1072
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I get the sense that they almost want

1073
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 2: to make the cap more restrictive than it is so

1074
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 2: so the owners can go to the players and say, well,

1075
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 2: you know, these are the cap rules we got to

1076
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 2: abide by, and we can't pay them more money. I

1077
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 2: feel like they they're handing out too much cash in

1078
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 2: their minds, so they almost want to make the cap

1079
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 2: more restrictive to kind of tie their own hands as

1080
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 2: an excuse to not give the players even more money

1081
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 2: because cash is king for the players.

1082
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's true, and there's two different budgets. There's a

1083
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 10: cap and the cast budget. But this has never been

1084
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 10: on cap and cash being the same because when you've played,

1085
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 10: the only guaranteed money in the contract was a signing bonus,

1086
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 10: and that's always been pro rated over whether it's four years,

1087
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 10: five years, it used to be six years, could be

1088
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 10: the max pro race a long time ago. You don't

1089
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 10: have that in the NBA for one reason. You don't

1090
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 10: have signing bonuses for the most part, because contracts fully guaranteed.

1091
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 10: So if i'm the players the union, that's what I

1092
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 10: would count if you want to have fully guaranteed contracts.

1093
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 10: And we saw from Deshaun Watts and that is not

1094
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 10: something that anybody wants to do. But there's a bigger

1095
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 10: way to limit everything. From an ownership standpoint to me,

1096
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 10: the twenty eleven CBA allows you to carry over or

1097
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 10: unused cap room from one year to the next. That

1098
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 10: creates a huge discrepancy on what your workable cap space is.

1099
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:20,919
Speaker 10: The league wide cap this year's two hundred and seventy

1100
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 10: nine point two million. The Bills have the lowest workable

1101
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 10: or adjusted salary cap it's two seventy three point two

1102
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 10: For one reason, they didn't have a bunch of carryover room,

1103
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 10: and they had a ton of not likely threwn incentives

1104
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:40,439
Speaker 10: that were earned, so those had to be accounted for.

1105
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 10: At the other end of the scale, the Samprus for

1106
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 10: forty nine ers have almost three hundred and forty two

1107
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 10: million dollars is a workable cap amount this year because

1108
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 10: they carried over fifty million from the twenty twenty four season.

1109
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 10: So if you want to limit the amount of casting

1110
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 10: be spent, a better way or more effective way to

1111
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 10: do it might be to go back to how it

1112
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 10: was pre twenty eleven, where you won't having cap room

1113
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 10: carry over from one year to the next, because that

1114
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 10: would take out about three hundred million dollars in cap space.

1115
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 1: This year collectively, Yeah, which is what is that?

1116
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 2: It's like a whole other franchise is worth of cap space.

1117
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it's a ten million per team just about right,

1118
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: So that's uh yeah, yeah, it's.

1119
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 10: It's about eleven eleven million per team because the league

1120
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 10: wide adjusted salary cap is like to eighty one, I

1121
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 10: mean two ninety one this year, so you got two

1122
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 10: seventy nine point two is the actual cap? No one

1123
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 10: really operates from that. You got Buffalo who's way behind,

1124
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 10: operating one hand tied behind their back, and the league

1125
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 10: wide adjusted cap is like two ninety.

1126
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: One, right, how much that? Man? How likely is it?

1127
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 1: And when? What's the timetable for all this coming down? Wins?

1128
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: You know, they give us an idea about the scale

1129
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: when they may you know, the eighteenth game, the you know,

1130
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 1: the preseason changes, the cap changes. When's the next time

1131
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: or do they have an ongoing conversation all the time.

1132
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,520
Speaker 10: Well, the CBA expires after the twenty thirty league year,

1133
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 10: but you can opt out of the TV deals I

1134
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 10: think after the twenty eight or twenty nine season, I

1135
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 10: forget which one. So you would want at least have

1136
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 10: the eighteenth game part agreed to with the union in

1137
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 10: time to do new meteorites deals the other stuff. I

1138
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,800
Speaker 10: think you're going to have a huge fight. One thing

1139
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:40,919
Speaker 10: we do know, no matter what sport, the billionaires can

1140
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 10: outlast millionaires when they really want something. The players couldn't

1141
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 10: even get to the preseason last. They're a workstopage Basketball

1142
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 10: players have gone into the regular season before. But nonetheless,

1143
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 10: I think about in the World Series was canceled. But

1144
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:12,920
Speaker 10: other than that, uh, players only have so much resolve uh.

1145
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson his contract now is out of moved down

1146
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 2: the list in terms of average annual salary. He's down

1147
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 2: to tenth now after you know the rock Perty deal

1148
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 2: in San Francisco, and there's talk about him getting a

1149
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 2: contract extension. Eric Deicasa, the GM, addressed it recently, saying

1150
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 2: there have been discussions. How much more difficult is it

1151
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 2: for an NFL GM when he's dealing with the player

1152
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:45,520
Speaker 2: and maybe a family member directly, rather than an agent

1153
01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 2: who does this kind of stuff all the time.

1154
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 10: Oh, they'd always rather have a have a buffer because

1155
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 10: if you say something negative to the player, he could

1156
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 10: potentially take that very personally and you've created an issue

1157
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 10: with that particular player where they're hard feelings. When I

1158
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:12,280
Speaker 10: was an agent, I wouldn't share. I'd say seventy percent

1159
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 10: of the stuff that a team said negotiat client because

1160
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 10: I didn't want to harm the relationship because you're presenting

1161
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 10: your client in this light and they're like, hold on,

1162
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 10: he's not that guy, or he doesn't do this, he

1163
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 10: doesn't do that. So yeah, they'd much rather not deal

1164
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 10: with the player directly. But you're dealing with someone who

1165
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 10: is an elite quarterback, So how much can he criticism

1166
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 10: criticize him? Well, we don't win or you haven't won

1167
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 10: a super Bowl, And that's probably the biggest thing you

1168
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 10: can say about Lamar Jackson right now. But I would

1169
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 10: love to be Lamar Jackson from the standpoint. They need

1170
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 10: a new deal more than he does. He may be

1171
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 10: tenth in terms of average per year, but if you

1172
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 10: look at cash from twenty twenty three through twenty twenty five,

1173
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,760
Speaker 10: if he plays under his current deal, he's only behind

1174
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 10: one guy, Dak Prescott. Next year, his cap number is

1175
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 10: almost seventy five million. They got a bigger problem than

1176
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 10: he does. So if I'm him, I tell them it's

1177
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 10: more of a dictation than a negotiation. Someone said, but

1178
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 10: let's actually what it would be. Well, here's my number

1179
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 10: for this year, and these are deal breakers if you

1180
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 10: don't have these things in the contract. One, I need

1181
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 10: the biggest signing bonus. Again, I need the most guarantees,

1182
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 10: the most money fully guaranteed at signing, the most cash

1183
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 10: after the third year through three years, the most cash

1184
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 10: after the fourth year. And I'm only giving you three

1185
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 10: new years, whether it's this year or next year. My

1186
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 10: no trade clause survives, my no franchise tag, transition tags

1187
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 10: survives as well. And if we don't do it this year,

1188
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 10: we're gonna have to factor in how much the cap

1189
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 10: goes in next year to whatever we're talking about in

1190
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 10: twenty twenty six. So if I'm him, I don't have

1191
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 10: to do a deal. I don't have to do a

1192
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 10: deal next year. They have the problem. They can't handle

1193
01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 10: almost thirty five million dollar cap number next year.

1194
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.

1195
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 2: That's a mess.

1196
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 1: But you're right. I had said that earlier in the show, Joel,

1197
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 1: that you need somebody going there and talk to you

1198
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: because there's gonna be some unflattering information exchanged, and the

1199
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 1: player always takes it personal because he can't do anything

1200
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 1: else right.

1201
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 10: And right, But he's so good the way he played

1202
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 10: last year. The only thing you can criticize him about

1203
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 10: is you had uncharacteristic turnovers when you lost to the Bills,

1204
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 10: because he threw forty touchdown passes at foe interceptions, had

1205
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 10: a passer rating which is one of like the five

1206
01:07:38,040 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 10: or six best in history. So what do you going

1207
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 10: to criticize him about? Maybe leadership?

1208
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's interesting to say the least. All right, Well, Joel,

1209
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 2: thanks for the info. We appreciate it. And you know,

1210
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 2: as we get closer to training camp and maybe there's

1211
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 2: some movement of foot on the cook front, we may

1212
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 2: tap into your expertise again. Thanks for the time. Enjoy

1213
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 2: your summer, all right, you two, thanks for having me.

1214
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 2: All Right. That's Joel Corey, CBS Sports, NFL Contract Salary

1215
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 2: Cap expert, and that is noteworthy. The biggest thing, you know,

1216
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 2: to come out of that conversation is the fact that

1217
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 2: Kick's got to show up to training camp.

1218
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 1: He got it on time, otherwise.

1219
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 2: He doesn't get his credit for an acrude season even

1220
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 2: if he plays in seventeen games after that that is huge.

1221
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 2: So he might choose to miss mandatory mini camp and

1222
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 2: cost himself one hundred K camp miss training camp because

1223
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 2: he needs to get to free agency and he doesn't

1224
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,519
Speaker 2: if he doesn't report to training camp on time according

1225
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:37,720
Speaker 2: to the language of the CBA. So that's huge with

1226
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 2: a capital H and probably a capital UG and E.

1227
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 2: We do have time to get back to the phones

1228
01:08:44,320 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 2: here in this segment, so we're going to do that

1229
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:50,959
Speaker 2: here on this Friday OBL fan mail bag and waiting patiently,

1230
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:53,639
Speaker 2: there is Rick out in California. What do he got

1231
01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 2: for his Rick?

1232
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 11: Hey, good afternoon, Joan, Thank you so much to stick

1233
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 11: on the call. Sure, really good interview with Joe, by

1234
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 11: the way, I learned a lot of stuff I never

1235
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,640
Speaker 11: knew before, so that was awesome. But I got a

1236
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 11: question for the both of you, Steve. First, I called

1237
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 11: in a couple of weeks ago and got Brownie and

1238
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:13,560
Speaker 11: Maddie's opinion on this question. But I really want to

1239
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:16,680
Speaker 11: hear Steve's re response. A couple of months ago, you

1240
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:19,960
Speaker 11: guys had some guy on that's asking Steve if you

1241
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 11: were able to go back to the nineties teams and

1242
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 11: pluck a player from those teams to pull up to

1243
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 11: help us today, as it would it be and I

1244
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:28,640
Speaker 11: want to know the reverse.

1245
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:29,000
Speaker 6: Question, Steve.

1246
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 11: If you had a time machine back in the nineties

1247
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 11: and you came up to the to the McDermott era,

1248
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 11: who would you pluck off of these teams to go

1249
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:38,640
Speaker 11: back to the nineties and help you guys win a

1250
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 11: Super Bowl. That's one of the questions I had for you.

1251
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:43,800
Speaker 11: The other question I have is for both of you,

1252
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 11: if I could change a rule in the NFL, it

1253
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 11: would definitely be the coach's challenges. In my belief, I

1254
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 11: know they only get two challenges and if they win one,

1255
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 11: they get a third.

1256
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 3: Is that is that correct?

1257
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1258
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 2: They got to win one of the twos to get

1259
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 2: a third. Yeah, used to get both, right to get

1260
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:00,960
Speaker 2: a third. That rule change last year they only need

1261
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 2: one out of two to get a third.

1262
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 11: Okay, Well, I'm in the belief that if we could

1263
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 11: do this, I know it extends TV time a little

1264
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 11: bit and people will get frustrated at first, But as

1265
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:15,160
Speaker 11: long as the coaches are winning the challenges, they should

1266
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:18,600
Speaker 11: get that flag back indefinitely. So if they throw the

1267
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,639
Speaker 11: flag eighteen times but they're correct and they get the call,

1268
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 11: they get their flags back. But if they lose one challenge,

1269
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 11: then they lose the flag and they lose the time out.

1270
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 11: I'm all good with that, but it will definitely keep

1271
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 11: all of the officiating crews honest. If the coaches can

1272
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 11: keep throwing the flag as many times as they want to,

1273
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 11: as long as they're throwing it correctly and they get

1274
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 11: their call, if they win the call, they should never

1275
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 11: lose a challenge throughout the entire game. If it's like

1276
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 11: I said, if it's eighteen challenges, it's eighteen challenges. But

1277
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:51,639
Speaker 11: if they keep winning the challenge, then where's the harm

1278
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 11: and the TV time you know, lasting longer than it

1279
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:57,680
Speaker 11: should because I mean it's doing that anyway. But I

1280
01:10:57,840 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 11: just want to see that that is the official eating cruise.

1281
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 11: There's always going to be like, you know, harped on

1282
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 11: us about oh they missed the call. They didn't see that,

1283
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 11: Oh my gosh. So if they bring back the rule

1284
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:11,000
Speaker 11: that we can challenge non calls as well but we win,

1285
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 11: then all the better. It's keeping the officiating honest and

1286
01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 11: the game goes along correctly and honestly, And pretty much

1287
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 11: that's all I got for you. Thank you so much,

1288
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 11: and go Bill.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Uh you want to pick your player from this

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01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 2: roster to take back to your nineties team.

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01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, hard pick anybody but the m v P.

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Speaker 1: Josh Uh. It could be because we had we had

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Speaker 1: there is some dudes. Man, Bruce is the guy I'd

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01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 1: bring from there to hear.

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Speaker 2: That's what I said when he asked me two weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: If it's not Josh, it probably and I'm you know,

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01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 1: I love Jim is my guy, but Josh brings a

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Speaker 1: dimension that Jim didn't have. I don't know, maybe made

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Speaker 1: a difference, But I think the other thing, if I

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Speaker 1: was thinking about it, maybe be a guy like Benford,

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01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:10,559
Speaker 1: you know, or one of these got Benford going back

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01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 1: there and playing on that team. Yeah, and we had

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01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:13,639
Speaker 1: good corner anyway.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, you can do that.

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01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 1: Real change getting your time. I'm with you. You get very

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01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 1: little pushback from fans. If you have a coach that

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01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 1: challenges challenges, challenges challenges, if he keeps getting it right,

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01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 1: you'll get very little pushback from fans. They won't be

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01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 1: mad about the game going longer. They'll be mad at

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01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 1: the officials who can't get it right. So that's a

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01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:38,679
Speaker 1: win win.

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Speaker 2: I think that is a way to make it punitive enough. Yeah,

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01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:44,719
Speaker 2: because it's at all or nothing things, So you'd better

1314
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 2: be sure you're going to get it overturned, right under

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01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:51,840
Speaker 2: Rick's guidelines, right, which is, you lose the challenge, you

1316
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 2: lose the flag, you don't get anymore. It's one and

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01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:56,599
Speaker 2: done basically, that's how he has.

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01:12:57,640 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 1: Oh, I see, you don't get two, You just get

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01:12:59,360 --> 01:12:59,599
Speaker 1: the one.

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Speaker 2: And then if you if you keep getting it right,

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01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:02,719
Speaker 2: you keep you get your flag back and you keep

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01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:04,600
Speaker 2: getting the power to challenge.

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Speaker 1: I like it.

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01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 2: I don't mind, yeah, because.

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01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 1: I mean right now, if you lose it, you lose

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01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:10,679
Speaker 1: time out.

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01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 2: Right now you have a max yes, and you have

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01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 2: that too. Right now, you have a maximum of three

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01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 2: in a game, and you can't challenge anything inside of

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01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 2: two minutes, right, Not to mention, there are certain things

1331
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:23,519
Speaker 2: you're just not allowed to challenge anyway, right, you know,

1332
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 2: like past interference and whatever else. You know, stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: We've been down this before. Yeah, you always bring it

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01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,519
Speaker 1: up when you get to these challenge conversations about like

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01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 1: in the Canadian Football League, you're allowed to challenge anything

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01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 1: everywhere all the time, which sounds great because then you

1337
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 1: can say, like we got you know, they had a

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01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:44,400
Speaker 1: face mask over here, but then you start thinking about

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01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 1: what it really means, and the ripple effects are vast,

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01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 1: and you get a touch everybody holds their challenge until

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01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 1: the third quarter or late in the third quarter or

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01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:56,599
Speaker 1: early fourth quarter. You give up a long touchdown and

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01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 1: you've got eyes on the field, and somebody in your

1344
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 1: little group who's watching their larrea of the field says, hey,

1345
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 1: I had a penalty over here, away from the wall,

1346
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:09,640
Speaker 1: so you got a defensive holding on the line of

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01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 1: scrimmage away from the play on a touchdown to the

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01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 1: other side of the field. Said yeah, he's right. You

1349
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 1: gotta are not a defense but an offensive holding on

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01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 1: the other side of the field. So yeah, he's right.

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01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:24,679
Speaker 1: So the court the touchdown comes back. It's a little

1352
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 1: like it's a little like the NHL rule of challenging

1353
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:32,200
Speaker 1: a goal when the play was off sides and they

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01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 1: had the puck in the zone for five minutes, and

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01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 1: five minutes later you go back and look at it and said, yeah,

1356
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 1: that whole thing was off sides. A little bit like that.

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01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:43,000
Speaker 1: It's a it's an issue.

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Speaker 2: We are up against the break here, but more are

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01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:47,120
Speaker 2: your phone calls when we come back. Nick and Georgie

1360
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 2: is gonna lead us off as it's the OBL Friday

1361
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:51,880
Speaker 2: fan mail bag. Any question you got under the sun

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01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 2: fired off at us here on one Bill's Live. We're

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01:14:53,960 --> 01:15:09,760
Speaker 2: back in a minute. All right, back here, I want

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Speaker 2: Bill's Live. Chris Brown Steve tasked with you on an

1365
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 2: OBL Friday fan mail bag where you get to ask

1366
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:16,839
Speaker 2: any question under the sun about the Bills, the league,

1367
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:19,920
Speaker 2: or anything NFL that you have in mind, and we

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01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 2: go back to the phone's waiting patiently. Nick and Georgia.

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01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:22,600
Speaker 2: What do you got for us?

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01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 1: Nick?

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Speaker 8: I got a couple things, and thanks for taking my call.

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Speaker 8: You guys talk about how we develop players all the time,

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01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 8: but I don't think we developed the defensive line very well.

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Speaker 8: That's just an observation on my.

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Speaker 6: Part, YEP.

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01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:40,640
Speaker 8: The second one I've got is kind of you know,

1377
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 8: all the free agents we signed, they're all rejected by

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01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 8: teams that are lesser than the Bills, So I don't

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01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 8: ever have a great hope in my heart for the

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01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 8: free agents. And the third one I've got is and

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01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 8: this is you and Steve know a lot more about

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01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 8: this than I do. But wouldn't it be good on

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01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:10,840
Speaker 8: kickoffs to use open field tackler as you're I'm the

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01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 8: guy who kicks off the ball because now they can't

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01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 8: move to the ball lands and it they're saying they're

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01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 8: going to be more kickoff returns, and it protects your

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01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 8: second most valuable player on the team, which is your

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01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 8: field goal kicker.

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Speaker 1: But thanks, okay, Yeah, because kicking off you could just

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01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean I was the emergency kicker

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01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:39,600
Speaker 1: for the Bills forty years ago, thirty years ago, and

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01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 1: I've still got the square toe shoe to prove it right,

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01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:45,960
Speaker 1: So you can. Everybody grows up kicking the ball right,

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01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 1: so you can run up and kick it off a tee. Yes, absolutely.

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01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 1: Ray Bentley was adept at kicking on side kicks and

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01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,720
Speaker 1: did it a number for us, a bunch and practices

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01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 1: and stuff. He would go out and kick him for us.

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01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 1: He was a linebacker. Yes, you can find somebody else

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01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 1: to kick it off and put and and replace your

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01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 1: kicker with a guy who finger quotes can tackle, right. Yeah,

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01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 1: that's you're giving up the difference between a skilled kicker

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01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 1: and a guy who can just get the ball down there. Yeah,

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01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 1: it remains be Yeah, I don't know what the loss

1404
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 1: would be or how much that difference that might make,

1405
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:30,720
Speaker 1: but yes, there would be a difference there. Secondly, free

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01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 1: agents are rejects from other teams that the other teams

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01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 1: that are lesser than the Bills don't want, not not

1408
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 1: always contracts run out guys hit the open market. We

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01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:45,680
Speaker 1: signed Leonard Floyd to a free agent running he was

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01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 1: a reject from another team that he's the only guy

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01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 1: in the last six or eight years who have had

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01:17:49,040 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 1: double digit sacks for this team. We wish we had

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01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 1: him back.

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01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 2: And they just plucked another pass rusher from that same team,

1415
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:58,160
Speaker 2: the Rams. They took Michael Hoyt out of there. Yeah,

1416
01:17:58,240 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 2: who is a player the Rams, Absolutely he wanted back.

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01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:03,599
Speaker 1: These guys get out of those other teams because they

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01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:07,719
Speaker 1: want to hit free agency, they want to sign a deal,

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01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 1: or the other team drafted a guy or that you

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01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 1: know they do have that they're not. Yeah, you may

1421
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:17,600
Speaker 1: not know them, but every story of every guy's a

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01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 1: little different. So yeah, they're free agents are a huge

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01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 1: part of the NFL.

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01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 2: And then developing defensive lineman. I think you would have

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01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 2: enough evidence to build an argument for that. And yes,

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01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 2: I have said for a long time that this is

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01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:36,160
Speaker 2: one of the best player development staffs that they've had

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01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:38,880
Speaker 2: probably since the Levy days, and it is. There are

1429
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 2: a lot of examples to cite for that as well.

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01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:45,040
Speaker 2: You got two safeties that were free agent cast offs

1431
01:18:45,080 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 2: to your point, and turned into Pro bowl level players

1432
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 2: in Poyer and Hyde. Tredaevius White became an All Pro

1433
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 2: corner here after he got here as a low first

1434
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Speaker 2: round draft choice. Christian Benford is a sixth round draft choice,

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Speaker 2: Taron Johnson as a fourth round draft choice, Mat Milano

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01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 2: fifth rounder, Torel Bernard is a third round pick, has

1437
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:09,200
Speaker 2: turned into you know, a legitimate Christian solid starting linebacker.

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Speaker 1: Did you say Britt Benford?

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01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:15,759
Speaker 2: Yes? And then on offense you got Spencer Brown, Khalil Shakir,

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Speaker 2: James Cook. I mean, you can run down the list

1441
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:20,439
Speaker 2: of players who got better after they got here. They

1442
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 2: weren't just talented players good enough to play in the NFL.

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01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 2: They got better after getting here. Deon Dawkins's, you know,

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01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:31,960
Speaker 2: pro bowl level left tackle, second round pick. But yes,

1445
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:35,759
Speaker 2: the list of defensive linemen, Yeah, you got an argument

1446
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 2: there because you're talking about Harrison Phillips, Ed Oliver aj Epanessa,

1447
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 2: Greg Russo, Boogie Basham, Greg Russo is probably the guy

1448
01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 2: that has developed and produced the most over the span

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01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:55,559
Speaker 2: of their time in a Bill's uniform. But has anyone

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01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 2: become a Pro Bowl or All Pro caliber guy. We

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01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:03,679
Speaker 2: have haven't seen it yet. Now, I think we also

1452
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 2: have to look at the fact that the defensive line

1453
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:11,120
Speaker 2: coach for this team has turned over several times since

1454
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:13,720
Speaker 2: McDermott's been here, so there is a little bit of

1455
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:15,560
Speaker 2: a lack of continuity there. But you could say the

1456
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 2: same thing for the receiver coach position, and they've had players,

1457
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:21,639
Speaker 2: you know, develop there nicely, Khalil Shakir being the most

1458
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:22,439
Speaker 2: recent example.

1459
01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 1: And the defensive line. You can make a content they

1460
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 1: had more to work with on the defensive line because

1461
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 1: they were higher round draft picks and more capital put

1462
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 1: into those positions when they picked them. There were higher

1463
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:37,680
Speaker 1: expectations attached to those players when they drafted them than

1464
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 1: there were to Christian Benfers and Matt Mulano's and Terrell

1465
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 1: Bernard's and the list goes on. So Trey White was

1466
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 1: obviously a first round pick, so he but he was

1467
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 1: All Pro in his second year.

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Speaker 2: So if you want to pick a place where the

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Speaker 2: player development has lagged, your opinion that defensive line is

1470
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 2: the place is not an off the mark opinion as

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Speaker 2: I see.

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Speaker 1: It, Yeah, you can. That's an argument that can be

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01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:07,400
Speaker 1: made if you're picking a position group. I don't know

1474
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 1: if I can pick a different one.

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01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Other than that, it's probably that one because tight

1476
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:16,200
Speaker 2: ends have developed here as well. So yeah, let's get

1477
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 2: back to the phones and to Mark in Jamestown. What's up, Mark?

1478
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 4: Hi, I just had a call, had to call you

1479
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:28,759
Speaker 4: and ask you if it was true that Dion Walker

1480
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:32,840
Speaker 4: was running around the combine saying that Lamar should uh

1481
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:37,800
Speaker 4: Lamar should have got the MVP last year instead of Josh.

1482
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:40,439
Speaker 4: Is that true? Or did you know about it?

1483
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 2: I hadn't heard that. I hadn't heard that. Did you

1484
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 2: read that somewhere?

1485
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:47,840
Speaker 4: Or yeah? I did? And I just wanted to run

1486
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:51,720
Speaker 4: it by you guys, because you know, you got to

1487
01:21:51,960 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 4: you got your thumb on the pulch, you know. And

1488
01:21:54,360 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 4: I as far as yesterday's question, I think a j asked,

1489
01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 4: but that's gonna jump out next year. That's yesterday's question.

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01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, thanks? Yeah, no problem, Mark. Yeah,

1491
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 2: I had not seen that nor heard of it. I mean,

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01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,639
Speaker 2: so I can't say definitively, whether or not he said

1493
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:21,000
Speaker 2: it when he was walking around the NFL combine. So

1494
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 2: whether he did or he didn't.

1495
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 1: I don't know. I had I had best first. I've

1496
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:27,720
Speaker 1: heard about it. You can bet if he did say it,

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01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 1: he's heard about it. Yeah, Yeah, that's.

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01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I gotta be careful what you say,

1499
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 2: especially right before you start your professional career, because you

1500
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 2: don't know who's drafting you. Yeah, and really it's one

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01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:47,479
Speaker 2: guy's opinion. Yes, does it? He said it before he

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01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:48,720
Speaker 2: was a Bills player.

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01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:50,600
Speaker 1: There's a there's a little bit of a there was

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01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 1: an article.

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01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:53,560
Speaker 2: I guess he said he got robbed from Baltimore.

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01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:56,000
Speaker 1: Actually, the Baltimore Ravens put out the article that that's

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Speaker 1: right here.

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01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:02,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, I don't make much of that. I

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01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 2: mean it's it's a college kid with an opinion before

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01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:12,559
Speaker 2: he's a professional. Yeah, whatever, I mean, I'm not bothered

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01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:16,800
Speaker 2: by that. Yeah, I missed that. I had not heard that.

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01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:19,840
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I don't have a problem with these guys.

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01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:23,559
Speaker 1: I mean, if Dion Walker said that during his draft

1514
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:31,479
Speaker 1: run up, I don't want to completely pooh poot. But

1515
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:34,680
Speaker 1: why was he asked about who won the MVP in

1516
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:37,040
Speaker 1: the NFL last week, except to get a SoundBite like

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01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 1: that that they could throw back in his face. And

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01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:41,560
Speaker 1: the kids are just twenty year old kids trying to

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01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:45,600
Speaker 1: answer questions and do the best they can, and you

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01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 1: know they and they're trying to sound smart and informed,

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01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 1: just like everybody else does in a job interview. And

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01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 1: then you know, so somebody asked him a question that

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01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 1: they knowed good and well they can throw back in

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01:23:53,960 --> 01:23:56,559
Speaker 1: the kid's face when he gets drafted by somebody else.

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01:23:56,920 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 1: If Dion Walker got picked up by if you got

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01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:04,679
Speaker 1: picked up by the Pittsburgh Steelers, and that was gonna

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01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:07,519
Speaker 1: throw get thrown back in his face when they played

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01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 1: the Steelers or when they played the Ravens in his

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01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:14,680
Speaker 1: rookie year. So that's the environment these guys, and that's

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01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:17,719
Speaker 1: the kind of the mine field you walk through as

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01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:20,200
Speaker 1: a young rookie coming into the league. You get these

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01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:22,879
Speaker 1: wahoo's on the internet. And I'm not saying that Baltimore

1533
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 1: Ravens are wahoos, but it was reported. But they asked

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01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:29,560
Speaker 1: these questions that set these kids up to make it

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01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 1: to take a stand on something and then throw it

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01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 1: back in their face if it works out. Four more

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01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 1: against them. So yeah, that's the environment in which we live.

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01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:41,559
Speaker 2: We're going to the mail bag on the tweetsheet where

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01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 2: NBCB asked, is it reasonable to think that Zack Davidson

1540
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 2: could see considerably more playing time since he has pass

1541
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:50,760
Speaker 2: catching skills that were evidenced in training camp, along with

1542
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 2: considerable speed and elite size. So Zach Davidson, for those

1543
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:57,920
Speaker 2: who are not familiar, is the tight end who spent

1544
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 2: most of the year on the practice squad, get for

1545
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 2: a game or two last year and made his first

1546
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:07,960
Speaker 2: career NFL reception, goes about six to seven and does

1547
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:11,640
Speaker 2: run very well for a player that size, and is

1548
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:15,440
Speaker 2: a very good catcher of the football. I would say

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01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:18,439
Speaker 2: it's reasonable to think he would have an outside chance

1550
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 2: of making the roster if he improved the other areas

1551
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 2: of his game. The reason he landed on the practice

1552
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 2: squad was because his number one asset was catching the

1553
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 2: football and running after for a big man, but he

1554
01:25:36,160 --> 01:25:40,880
Speaker 2: was largely a one trick pony. His blocking skills weren't

1555
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:44,000
Speaker 2: up to the standard that the Bills expect from their

1556
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:46,759
Speaker 2: tight ends, and there were other elements of his game

1557
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 2: that weren't equal to what his past catching talents are.

1558
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 2: I think if he's worked adequately and effectively on the

1559
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:58,240
Speaker 2: other aspects of his game, he's got a better chance

1560
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:01,639
Speaker 2: of making the roster. Here's the problem. You got two

1561
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:05,240
Speaker 2: guys ahead of him that do those things exceptionally well also,

1562
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 2: and they're both better blockers than him. And then the

1563
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:11,879
Speaker 2: third tight end that just got drafted in, Jackson Hawes

1564
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 2: was drafted to be a quote unquote third tight end

1565
01:26:15,200 --> 01:26:19,400
Speaker 2: because he does everything well. That's what's standing in the way.

1566
01:26:19,439 --> 01:26:21,080
Speaker 2: Is Zac Davidson making the roster.

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01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 1: This time and doesn't say that he can't develop and

1568
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 1: get better. But yes, that's Brownie is characterized the evaluation

1569
01:26:27,400 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 1: pretty well and I think that's what I've seen as well,

1570
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:33,439
Speaker 1: and we'll see if it changes.

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01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 2: Break time for us here. We'll answer a couple more

1572
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:38,519
Speaker 2: questions in the mailbag online when we return here. On

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1585
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:30,559
Speaker 2: get back to some of the questions in the mail bag.

1586
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 2: LPJ asks there's lots of talk on the interwebs about

1587
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 2: trade scenarios for Hendrickson to the Bills. Could there be traction?

1588
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 2: Would that be a fit? Well, I mean it'd be

1589
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:45,719
Speaker 2: a fit for your roster for sure, But you're gonna

1590
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:47,800
Speaker 2: have to pay the guy gigantic money because he wants

1591
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:52,280
Speaker 2: a giant contract extension, and the Bengals clearly don't want

1592
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:54,599
Speaker 2: to pay it, and I don't know that the Bills

1593
01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 2: could afford to do it either. There's always a way

1594
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:01,400
Speaker 2: to try to nip the cap and make it work.

1595
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 2: But you already did your veteran pass rush signing. It

1596
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:04,639
Speaker 2: was Joey Bosa.

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01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:08,559
Speaker 1: Yes, Trey Hendrickson is has yes, two back to back

1598
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 1: seventeen sax seasons. But he's thirty years old switching teams.

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01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:16,280
Speaker 1: There's nothing that says he's gonna come over to your

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01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:19,240
Speaker 1: team and be anything like what he was in Cincinnati.

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01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:21,799
Speaker 1: Maybe he could be. Hard to imagine him being better,

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01:28:22,439 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 1: particularly a year older at thirty, and you're gonna have

1603
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:27,680
Speaker 1: to sign to what a three year deal at least

1604
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:30,600
Speaker 1: four year deal at all that kind of money, and

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01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:35,080
Speaker 1: he comes in like, yeah, I don't think he's got

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01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 1: that in him any for three years. You know, Trey

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01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:40,360
Speaker 1: Hendrickson's a good player, and he's probably a good dude

1608
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:43,040
Speaker 1: and all that, but man, oh man, he's he's holding

1609
01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:45,559
Speaker 1: out for he needs his money now because I don't

1610
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:47,200
Speaker 1: even think he believes he's gonna be able to go

1611
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:48,240
Speaker 1: seventeen sacks again.

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01:28:48,840 --> 01:28:51,800
Speaker 2: Stimpy asks, I personally think our defensive line veterans have

1613
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:53,879
Speaker 2: reached their ceiling. Do you think that the Bills defensive

1614
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:56,560
Speaker 2: line veterans have the capability to improve their performance or

1615
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:58,559
Speaker 2: will we be depending on the performance of the rookie

1616
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:01,120
Speaker 2: class and newly signed free agent it's in twenty twenty five.

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01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 2: I think the answer is both.

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01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:05,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they want somebody to come out of there.

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01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:07,120
Speaker 2: They're gonna need everybody.

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01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:09,439
Speaker 1: They need everybody. Now listen, if Bosa shows up and

1621
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:11,720
Speaker 1: if they can keep him healthy, which sounds comical now

1622
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:13,640
Speaker 1: that he's got a calf muscle and all that, but

1623
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:17,080
Speaker 1: he's a great player when he's healthy. Although it's just

1624
01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 1: not enough, uh, Lannon Jackson, maybe Deon Walker, maybe j Sanders,

1625
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:24,680
Speaker 1: maybe Dwayne Carter, maybe you know.

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01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:26,560
Speaker 2: Maybe one of those other guys.

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01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 1: I think it is true. The guys we've got to

1628
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 1: kind of we know who they are and we're looking

1629
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 1: for others.

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Speaker 2: Radio only on Monday. People will see it once