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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 2: Hi everybody, it's Trista and Deanna. We are here with

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Speaker 2: the Almost Famous OG podcast and here to talk about

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Speaker 2: the breaking news that is shocking, to say the least.

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Speaker 2: I actually texted Dianna and told her about what was happening,

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Speaker 2: and you were like, what you're kidding, right? Or no,

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Speaker 2: you're kidding and literally.

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Speaker 3: Driving down the five.

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Speaker 4: Trista, I was trying to do adult things when you

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Speaker 4: texted me. I was kind of shocked because you and

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Speaker 4: I have already talked about this week. We were supposed

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Speaker 4: to go to the premiere on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll catch you all up. The Bachelorette, if

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Speaker 2: you haven't heard already, which it is all over everywhere,

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Speaker 2: has been canceled for the coming season. It was supposed

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Speaker 2: to start airing on Sunday and ABC has made a

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Speaker 2: decision to cancel this season. Has never happened, honestly, This

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Speaker 2: talk has been happening since the allegations came out about

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Speaker 2: kind of second domestic violence incident. This just recently that

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Speaker 2: has come out, and I felt like there was no

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Speaker 2: way they would cancel it because they've just put too

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Speaker 2: much energy, too much money. There's advertisers, there's all kinds

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Speaker 2: of back you know, behind the scenes stuff that goes

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Speaker 2: into making a television show. So I thought for sure

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Speaker 2: it wouldn't be canceled until the video came out.

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Speaker 4: I was with you, Trista, until I recorded with our

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Speaker 4: producer Heather the other night, and her insight, even though

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Speaker 4: you and I know the industry well, her insight into

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Speaker 4: that really helped me.

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Speaker 3: And she was right.

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Speaker 4: Once we started seeing advertisers pull out, it's at the

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Speaker 4: end of the day, it's money. It's money, and I

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Speaker 4: personally have such a hard time with that because I

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Speaker 4: want to think, oh, these people are my friends, the

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Speaker 4: producers are my friends. We've already film did We've already

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Speaker 4: put all this effort and this money into it. But

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Speaker 4: Heather was right, once you start seeing those things disappear,

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Speaker 4: it's a trickle effect. Because she pointed out that it

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Speaker 4: affects their other shows, and she called it, she said,

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Speaker 4: so much will be told within the next twenty four

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Speaker 4: to forty eight hours if more advertisers pull out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and even Ryan who doesn't watch the

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Speaker 2: show and his feed is not full of bachelorette stuff

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Speaker 2: like mine is. He said, Well, I just heard Cinnabon

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Speaker 2: pulled advertising from the show, and I'm like, I feel

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Speaker 2: like that's probably a brand deal with her. But yes,

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Speaker 2: you're right, I don't know if that was the only advertiser.

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Speaker 2: I think at this point, more advertisers have pulled. And

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Speaker 2: then Jimmy Fallon's show canceled her as a guest last night.

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Speaker 2: I actually heard that she didn't show or she didn't come,

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Speaker 2: so who knows. I assume they, you know, decided against

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Speaker 2: having her on. So, yes, we are confirmed that Jimmy

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Speaker 2: Foul Show canceled her appearance last night with them, and

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Speaker 2: I just as we said in our text, my heart,

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Speaker 2: just my heart goes out to first of all, the

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Speaker 2: children involved in this relationship. Second of all, honestly to

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Speaker 2: her because and listen, I've seen the video. I there

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Speaker 2: is no getting around the fact that she threw a

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Speaker 2: chair and there was a child pressurest.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry to interrupt you. Specifically, this video was the

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Speaker 4: one from two years ago. This is not the mostion.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so this video is from twenty twenty three, and

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Speaker 2: I just I guess because he was the one who

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Speaker 2: was taking the video. Okay, she of course did not

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Speaker 2: release this video. There's no way she would have released

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Speaker 2: this video with the Bachelorette starting on Sunday, right. So

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Speaker 2: the fact that the video was released the week of

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Speaker 2: her premiere from two or three years ago, well, let

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Speaker 2: me tell you, really fishy and sketchy to me, and

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Speaker 2: does not it gives me the ick, you know what

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Speaker 4: Thinking from personal experience, Yeah, from a situation that I

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Speaker 4: was involved in, and there was video footage that was

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Speaker 4: turned over to police, the DA and the courts to

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Speaker 4: look at. So once that happens, the video can then

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Speaker 4: be public knowledge once it reaches that part. So I

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Speaker 4: don't know her court case. I won't pretend to be

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Speaker 3: I am not.

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Speaker 4: I am speaking for my personal experience. If that happened,

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Speaker 4: she was charged with domestic violence. I'm sure the video

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Speaker 4: was used as proof of that. Therefore, it can at

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Speaker 4: any point in time be dug up and put out

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Speaker 4: for public knowledge. Like to me, that's just gross and

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Speaker 4: it's really really sad.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: That he had.

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Speaker 2: Why wouldn't it add Why wouldn't they have aired it before?

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Speaker 2: Now do you know what I mean? Like, I just

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Speaker 2: the timing just is gross to me. It just is

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Speaker 2: a gross So how are you feeling with your personal experience?

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Speaker 3: You know what? I'm okay?

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Speaker 4: I was, you know, when Heather and I recorded the

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Speaker 4: other day, after you and I recorded a podcast, I

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Speaker 4: told her that I was. I was all up in

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Speaker 4: my feels about it because it just brings up some

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Speaker 4: personal issues for me. And I think at the end

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Speaker 4: of the day, we're looking at a situation like, this

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Speaker 4: is this girl's life. It is messy and it is

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Speaker 4: dirty right now, and my hope what happens. And I

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Speaker 4: said this to Heather. The rope has gotten long enough

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Speaker 4: and she is being yanked back to her knees. And

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Speaker 4: I hope that she gets help. I hope that he

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Speaker 4: does too. But so much as being published about her

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Speaker 4: right now, which which I know feels really, really terrible,

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Speaker 4: But she gets a pivotal point right now that she

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Speaker 4: can she can have some humility, I hope, yeah, some

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Speaker 4: responsibility and seek help and seek help. I haven't watched

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Speaker 4: the video. I can't bring myself to watch the video.

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Speaker 4: I don't really want to. I don't want that to

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Speaker 4: be the image that I'm stuck with. But anybody given

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Speaker 4: the toxic situation that she's in and that she has

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Speaker 4: grown up in, and what she's experiencing now in this moment,

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Speaker 4: I hope that she chooses to seek some mental health

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Speaker 4: for herself, and whatever that looks like.

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Speaker 3: If it's addiction, if it's.

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Speaker 4: Depression, if it's if it's anger management, no matter what

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Speaker 4: it is, that's what I hope that she seeks in

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Speaker 4: this moment. If this has to be the bottom, then

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Speaker 4: so be it. I believe that that's what the Lord does.

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Speaker 4: He brings you to the bottom so that you can

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Speaker 4: help be built up from there. And she has a

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Speaker 4: choice right now, a pivotal moment that she could seek help.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to read the article that TMZ put out.

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Speaker 2: It says The Bachelorette canceled on it exclusive The Bachelorette

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Speaker 2: Taylor Taylor Frankie Paul's season canceled. This was put out

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Speaker 2: at twelve forty pm today. TMZ has learned ABC is

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Speaker 2: pulling the plug on Taylor Frankie Paul's season of the

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Speaker 2: Bachelorette amid fresh claims of domestic abuse in the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three video of her fighting with her baby daddy.

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Speaker 2: A Disney Entertainment spokesperson tells US quote, in light of

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Speaker 2: the newly released video just surface today, we have made

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Speaker 2: the decision to not move forward with the new season

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Speaker 2: of The Bachelorette at this time, and our focus is

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Speaker 2: on the supporting the family. The network dropped the hammer

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Speaker 2: Thursday on the upcoming season of the reality TV dating show,

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Speaker 2: only hours after TMZ published video of Taylor's brutal twenty

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Speaker 2: three fight with Dakota Mortinson. A source connected to The

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Speaker 2: Bachelorette tells US no one at ABC had seen the

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Speaker 2: video before TMZ posted it Thursday morning. I'm I'm shocked

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Speaker 2: to learn that this is the first time that they've

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Speaker 2: seen the video, because you and I both know that

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Speaker 2: when you are the lead, I don't care if you're

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Speaker 2: famous or not. When you are the lead, there is

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Speaker 2: so much that goes in to checking and triple checking

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Speaker 2: and making sure that you are mentally ready, that you're

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Speaker 2: like I mean, the thing that you fill out like

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Speaker 2: all of these things. I am shocked that if they

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Speaker 2: this video. I'm shocked that they didn't know about this video.

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Speaker 2: I think they did or not, but.

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Speaker 3: I think it's two things.

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Speaker 4: They ei their cut corners because they were so desperate

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Speaker 4: to revive the show and get numbers. Because at the

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Speaker 4: end of the day, you and I both know that

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Speaker 4: that's what it's about, making money. So they either cut

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Speaker 4: corners on that or they didn't care. Trista, they didn't care.

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Speaker 4: You can watch The Mormon Wives on Hulu and you

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Speaker 4: can see the mess unfold there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they cared about numbers and hopefully reviving a television

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Speaker 4: show at all costs.

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Speaker 3: That's what I think.

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Speaker 4: And that's not because now we've watched somebody struggle with

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Speaker 4: their mental health. She's been really open about it. I

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Speaker 4: don't know if you've seen some of the some of

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Speaker 4: the precedents that she did this week. She sounds she

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Speaker 4: sounds really bad.

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Speaker 2: Little Yes, she sounds like puny.

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Speaker 4: She's showing up for something because she's being told to

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Speaker 4: emotional well being. And she's contractually supposed to do these things,

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Speaker 4: and what show up like she's got it all together.

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Speaker 4: Her life is falling apart before America. We're seeing the headlines,

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Speaker 2: Most worried about is I hate the hatred we all know.

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Speaker 2: You know, I didn't have social media. You didn't have

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Speaker 2: and tell you that you're a piece of trash and

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Speaker 2: tell you like all the things. And I cannot imagine

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Speaker 2: the hate that she's getting, and I don't like it.

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Speaker 2: I feel like she's got enough on our plates. So

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Speaker 2: I really hope that the people who are surrounding her

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Speaker 2: and she cannot look at any of that stuff, and

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Speaker 2: she is not being told all of these things that

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Speaker 2: I guarantee trolls are telling.

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Speaker 4: You know what, I would have to say that when

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Speaker 4: I was going through a difficult time, I stayed off

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Speaker 4: of social media.

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Speaker 3: I had to.

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Speaker 4: Every time I turned around, there was a new article posted,

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Speaker 4: there was a new link to something.

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Speaker 3: A sweekly drove my name into the Philip.

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Speaker 4: And Ground and for everything that happened, and it was

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Speaker 4: really unhealthy for me to see those things. So I hope,

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Speaker 4: I hope that she is aware withal and if she doesn't,

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Speaker 4: the people around her are telling to do so, to

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Speaker 4: just stay off of it, to just stay off of it.

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Speaker 4: There's really nothing she can do right now to save face,

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Speaker 4: not that she needs to, but you know, her driving

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Speaker 4: force needs to be her emotional well being, her children.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm sure there's a legal issue here, so

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Speaker 4: she probably needs to be really mum because anything that

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Speaker 4: the court of law. Social media plays a part in that.

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Speaker 4: So if she does get to have to go to

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Speaker 4: They'll use her social media, they'll use her posts, they'll

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so more of the article says. The article goes

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Speaker 2: on to say, as we first reported, Taylor and Dakota

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Speaker 4: And you know, I imagine you feel significantly more attached

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Speaker 3: I'd have done it for free, you know what I.

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Speaker 4: You must feel stronger about it than I do. Maybe

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Speaker 3: No, it doesn't look good.

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Speaker 2: It has been happened, I know, I know, but no

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Speaker 2: So it's weird, Like it's like all of these things

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Speaker 4: I know it's sad, Yeah, it's sad, And I think

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Speaker 3: So this feels like I've got a lots of the man,

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Speaker 3: I've got lots of abandonment issues, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: We're not prepared for this. We were prepared for another season.

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Speaker 3: You can't save this, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: But I think it's just the the honestly, the sticker

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Speaker 3: It's Thursday, is the day of the week.

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Speaker 4: Later and four four days later, like that, it's done.

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Speaker 4: They're pulling it and I hate to break it. To you,

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Speaker 4: I don't know how they come back from this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, who knows. I mean, someone's going to have to

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Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know that we're gonna survive this.

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Speaker 2: And I mean maybe they do The Bachelor and they

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Speaker 3: Over two hundred you well have cable, Trista.

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Speaker 2: I do because my husband is a massive sports addict

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Speaker 4: I don't think I have had a cable TV in

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Speaker 4: I'm part of I've become part of this culture that

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Speaker 4: know this Trista, this feel good television show. Take a

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Speaker 4: her again. That was not going to happen with Taylor, Frankie.

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Speaker 2: Paul, No, no, no, no.

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Speaker 4: They were flipping a coins with right They were flipping

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Speaker 3: But I do believe that.

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Speaker 2: For sure it would need to be tweaked and it

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Speaker 2: Because network television is like they have legal requirements like

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Speaker 3: It's wild. It's wild.

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Speaker 4: You know, the story is changing, it's still ongoing. I mean,

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Speaker 4: shock Tristan and I think that more will be revealed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks everybody for listening. Who knows if this will

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