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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease. Is this real? Is this

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Speaker 1: really happening in this day and age?

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Speaker 2: Sadly, based on the court documents, I'm just getting it

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Speaker 2: is real. A woman pregnant being held captive in a garage,

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Speaker 2: padlocked from the outside, with nothing but a mattress a

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Speaker 2: commode that doesn't work. When she is found, she is

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Speaker 2: emaciated down to seventy pounds, her hair quote crusty, her

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Speaker 2: reading of the court documents because how long has she

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Speaker 1: Raped, sex attack? Five years?

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Speaker 2: It's almost too much to take in that this could

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Speaker 2: happen again.

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Speaker 1: I Meancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories

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Speaker 2: and on Sirius XM one eleven.

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Speaker 1: The story is almost too much to take in.

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Speaker 2: But let's just start with the commander and the Houston

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Speaker 2: PD Michael Collins.

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Speaker 3: The female who was in the original report, who was

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Speaker 3: being held chaptered inside that ring a legend. We believe

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Speaker 3: at this time that she was the only individual in

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Speaker 4: Many this is.

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Speaker 3: This is the first time I've been at this location,

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Speaker 3: So I'd hate to think there were any others that

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Speaker 3: were in that that circumstance as well, But it's.

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Speaker 5: Something that will definitely follow up on.

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Speaker 3: Talking for a thirty year old female, I really can't

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Speaker 3: the Investigator Division and our our public information officer, because again,

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Speaker 3: my main concern is, of course, I want to share

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Speaker 3: information as freely as possible, but I also don't want

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Speaker 3: to jeopardize anybody's.

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Speaker 1: Safe jeopardize anyone's safety.

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Speaker 2: Wow, well, someone has already been padlocked into a garage,

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Speaker 2: raped over and over and over for years. Did the

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Speaker 2: neighbors not notice something was odd? Let's listen to more.

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Speaker 2: To the Commander Michael Collins.

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Speaker 3: It's disturbing on a personal level.

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Speaker 5: My heart goes.

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Speaker 3: Out to the woman involved because she is a victim.

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Speaker 3: But anybody with children, or anybody with a family member

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Speaker 3: who has struggled in their life has been preyed upon

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Speaker 3: by those who are out for their their their own

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Speaker 3: a police department, we are here for the citizens of Houston.

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Speaker 3: We're here for the community, and you know we're here

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Speaker 3: to make sure that this individual and her family gets justice.

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Speaker 1: Wow, what will justice look like in this case?

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Speaker 2: If the allegations are true, this woman being held captive

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Speaker 2: five years, raped repeatedly. I'm looking at the charge in

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Speaker 2: this case, a known rapper apparently holds her, grabs her

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Speaker 2: never saw anyone else in the resident. She could hear

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Speaker 2: the defendant arguing with someone. On numerous occasions, the defendant

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Speaker 1: Rape her.

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Speaker 2: When she would try to escape, he would grab her,

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Speaker 2: drag her back in, and lock padlocks repeatedly, physically threatening

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Speaker 2: which is a nightmare in itself. You can't get off

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Speaker 2: sex acts on the victim against her will, even when

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Speaker 2: occasionally giving her chips and snacks for food, never actual

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Speaker 1: Again, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: I know these facts are hard to hear, but as

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Speaker 2: you will see later in our program, this is by

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Speaker 2: far not the first time a woman has been held

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Speaker 2: captive in a garage, in a home, and a shipping

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Speaker 2: container in a basement, in all sorts of bizarre locations. Starved, beaten, threatened,

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Speaker 2: and raped. That's what we're talking about. But this woman's

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Speaker 2: ordeal at the hands of who we believe to be

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Speaker 2: Lee Carter aka Viper the Wrapper five years.

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Speaker 1: Joining me in All Star panel.

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Speaker 2: But first I'm going to go straight out to Dave

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Speaker 2: Mack Crimeonline dot com investigative reporter.

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Speaker 1: Where did this happen?

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm trying to get an idea of how

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Speaker 2: there's a woman padlocked in the garage and the padlocks

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Speaker 1: Of the garage.

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Speaker 2: I know that much, But you know, when you think

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Speaker 2: about it, I'm going to go straight out to Phil Waters,

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Speaker 2: former homicide detective four Houston PD this jurisdiction now president

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Speaker 2: CEO of Kindred Spirits Investigations and Securities, and you can

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Speaker 2: find him there Kindred Spirits Investigations dot Com.

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Speaker 1: Phil.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm blasting the neighbors, but you know what

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Speaker 2: if I happen to notice which I may not a padlock,

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Speaker 2: you know, this big three five inches big on somebody's garage.

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Speaker 2: That would not lead me to go bam on the

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Speaker 4: Well, No, and I will tell you this is this

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Speaker 4: is not. The circumstances in terms of the neighbors and

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Speaker 5: You know, given the area.

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Speaker 4: And the people that even if they suspect something's going on.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of reminding me a little bit of R.

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Speaker 1: Kelly.

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Speaker 2: Remember R Kelly held all of those women in his well.

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Speaker 1: Karen Stark the case of R.

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Speaker 2: Kelly shot everyone where multiple women were being held against

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Speaker 1: Horribly mistreated and being used as sex slaves.

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Speaker 2: And somehow people tend to blame the victim like they

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Speaker 2: wanted to be there. When this woman, I'm reading in

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Speaker 2: And he had the woman strung out on crack cocaine.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Karen Stark, I've been in so many crackhouses,

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Speaker 2: I remember one I went into Karen starko was looking

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Speaker 1: Okay, in the floor. They had an.

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Speaker 2: Open fire, cooking crack in the apartment on the floor

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Speaker 2: and people were just laid around like zombies, sitting like zombies.

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Speaker 2: This woman out of her mind, but somehow people say, wow,

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Speaker 2: in five years, she could have gotten away. They said

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Speaker 2: the same thing about r Kelly's victims.

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Speaker 1: Not true.

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Speaker 7: And Nancy, when you're talking about crack, I mean they

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Speaker 7: would give it to rats and find that the rats

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Speaker 7: so nothing else matters there. Don't pay any attention to

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Speaker 7: the environment, as you described, because they are that addicted.

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Speaker 7: And I heard allegedly that this guy said that he

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Speaker 1: This guy or r Kelly, this.

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Speaker 7: Guy, the guy that we're talking about, And I would

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Speaker 7: I feel like r Kelly was kind of saying the

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Speaker 7: same thing, like I'm taking care of them. They can't

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Speaker 2: Time Stories with Nancy Grace to Dave Matt Crime online

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Speaker 2: what exactly do they find?

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Speaker 1: Describe her living conditions.

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Speaker 8: It was a filthy, nasty garage. It was a single

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Speaker 8: car garage, Nancy, not a very big one, but single

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Speaker 8: car garage, and it had been converted into this apartment

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Speaker 8: slash jail cell. It was filthy, with a mattress on

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Speaker 8: it didn't flush. There were the windows had been boarded up,

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Speaker 8: and as you mentioned when we started, she had an odor,

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Speaker 8: she hadn't had a shower in two months. When they

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Speaker 8: she was wearing filthy clothing. The fire department actually had

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Speaker 8: because it hadn't been used as a garage. It had

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Speaker 8: in the snacks the only thing she really ever got

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Speaker 8: was trash on the floor from that.

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Speaker 2: And I'm reading directly from court documents. The woman extremely malnourished,

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Speaker 2: weighing approximately seventy pounds, with a pungent smell coming.

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Speaker 1: From her body. Her hair was quote.

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Speaker 2: Crusty, She wore filthy clothes, had no shoes. The fire

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Speaker 2: officers found the door had a lock on it, windows

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Speaker 2: were boarded up. There was a toilet that did not flush,

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Speaker 1: Now, what were your learning?

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Speaker 2: Actually a lot about how this woman was ended up

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Speaker 1: Now correct me if I'm wrong, Dave mac But apparently the.

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Speaker 2: Victim told police that four to five years before. It

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Speaker 2: turns out it was five years before. At that time

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Speaker 2: she was pregnant and panhandling on the street where and

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Speaker 2: at that time the defendant pulled his car over.

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Speaker 1: And gave her a dollar.

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Speaker 2: He left, but he came back and asked her did

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Speaker 2: He took her to his home and then put her

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Speaker 2: have sex with him and take pills, and used crack

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Speaker 2: cocaine against her will. What, Mark, can you tell me

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Speaker 2: about how she ends up padlocked in a garage?

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Speaker 8: Well, yeah, we've mentioned the panhandling. She's eight, she's very pregnant.

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Speaker 8: We don't know how pregnant. We know that She says

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Speaker 8: she was pregnant as she was panhandling up and down

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Speaker 8: the promise of shelter. Whoo, you know you need help,

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Speaker 8: I've got your help right here. He had already given

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Speaker 8: her a dollar and drove off. So when he came

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Speaker 8: back to her, she was already warmed up to the guy.

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Speaker 8: She was willing to be nicer to him. And when

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Speaker 8: think of, Nancy, of course, is a big sham, a

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Speaker 8: big trick. You know, come on down here, you can

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Speaker 8: get a shower or whatever. And as soon as she

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Speaker 8: without his help, he owns her, He's got everything, and

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Speaker 8: she finds herself lost in no man's land. Now the

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Speaker 4: Oh, you're absolutely right, Nancy, and I myself have seen

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Speaker 2: Let me go to a special guest joining us, Alan Bennett,

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Speaker 1: Rachel D. Fisher.

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Speaker 2: her website, Legal Art inconsult dot org. That's a mouthful, Rachel,

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Speaker 2: Rachel Fisher, this woman seventy pounds. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: If you don't have all the facts and you don't

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Speaker 2: Dave mac A neighbor told cops that Carter once said

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Speaker 2: They want food? How dare they get hungry when they're

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Speaker 2: It's actually making my stomach hurt now that I mean,

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Speaker 1: Okay, listen to this.

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Speaker 2: He's most well known for the two thousand and eight

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Speaker 2: He even wrote a song, a rap song about you cowards.

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Speaker 2: Don't even smoke crack out that are as, Alan Bennett.

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Speaker 1: That's not going to help anything.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, we have seen countless examples of prosecutions of folks

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Speaker 2: And one more thing in addition to his out of

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Speaker 2: That's who we're talking about again. It's the poor man's

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Speaker 2: And again we have no idea what happened to the baby.

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Speaker 9: A woman called nine to one one from a texting

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Speaker 9: According to KPRC, police rescued the woman from the garage

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Speaker 1: Now, what were your learning in the last hours?

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Speaker 2: sell a woman held captive in a dingy garage for

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Speaker 2: five years, Joining me right now, William Slater joining us

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Speaker 2: out of Chicago cybersecurity expert and the chief information security

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Speaker 2: officer at Slater Technologies.

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Speaker 1: You can find them at billslater dot com.

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Speaker 2: Bill explain to me about this texting app she called

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Speaker 2: nine to one one from a She got her mits

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Speaker 2: on his laptop. I guess her for very very few

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Speaker 2: chances to go in and take a shower, she got

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Speaker 2: on his laptop and through some type of texting app

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Speaker 2: called nine to one one.

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Speaker 1: How did that happen?

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Speaker 5: Oh, when you install an application, typically it creates a

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Speaker 5: place and browser where when you install it, you select

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Speaker 5: your user name and type in a password. And that's

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Speaker 5: one of the reasons it's so dangerous to get into

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Speaker 5: people's computers if you got access and start going through

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Speaker 5: their browser history and finding what they've been looked at.

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Speaker 5: Because everybody, uh is so lazy these days. They just

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Speaker 5: go to the website and it automatically logs them in.

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Speaker 5: So she was logged in as him.

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Speaker 2: This is what I'm learning about this app I was

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Speaker 2: asking about.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen hour cut for Nicole Parton.

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Speaker 9: The victim was reportedly able to use her kidnappers laptop

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Speaker 9: to contact police on a free textap text Now. It

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Speaker 9: offers nationwide phone service for free. Download the app to

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Speaker 9: make calls without paying a phone bill. You can use

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Speaker 9: your existing number or get a new one and text

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Speaker 9: or call for free on Wi Fi instantly.

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Speaker 1: So is that how she did it? William Slater?

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Speaker 2: A lot of people have never heard of text and Now,

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Speaker 2: but it's basically.

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Speaker 1: A free phone service through Wi Fi.

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Speaker 5: Correct. Correct. And he was already using that as the user.

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Speaker 5: And she probably saw the icon on his desktop and

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Speaker 5: clicks on it and boom she could get in. It's

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Speaker 5: very easy to use the application, you know.

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Speaker 2: We are learning also that she tried multiple times to escape.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to who I'm Online in our cut three.

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Speaker 10: Police say they have been called to the home eight

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Speaker 10: times in the past year. The woman says he took

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Speaker 10: her to the garage where he boarded up the windows.

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Speaker 10: A neighbor tells kat ArKade that on one occasion he

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Speaker 10: was speaking to the police about what was going on

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Speaker 10: in the home, and as he is talking to the cops,

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Speaker 10: the woman comes crawling out the window, clawing her way out.

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Speaker 10: Eight months pregnant, the woman said she would beg Carter

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Speaker 10: every day to let her go, but he would threaten

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Speaker 10: to hurt her, and the time she tried to escape,

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Speaker 10: the man would catch her and take her back to

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Speaker 10: the garage.

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Speaker 2: So let me understand something. Dave Mac, a neighbor, says

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Speaker 2: that on one occasion he was speaking to police. So

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Speaker 2: obviously a neighbor did call police, was speaking to police

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Speaker 2: about what was going on, and the woman actually claws

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Speaker 2: her way out of a window.

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Speaker 8: Did that happen, Dave Matt, Yes, ma'am, that is exactly

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Speaker 8: what happened.

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Speaker 2: Is it true, Dave Mac? That on some occasions she

498
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Speaker 2: would actually get to go to the hospital, but he

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Speaker 2: would always get her and take her back to the

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Speaker 2: garage and beat her.

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Speaker 8: Exactly true.

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Speaker 1: So what do we know about that Phil waters former home?

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Speaker 2: Was I detake to Houston PD now at Kindred Spirits PI.

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Speaker 2: That begs the question, Phil, did the hospital not notice

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Speaker 2: something was wrong? Did he take her there after she

506
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Speaker 2: miscarried the baby? How do you explain that?

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Speaker 1: Feel?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 4: I don't know that I can. My concern is is

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Speaker 4: that the hospitals, if they recognize or see any signs

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Speaker 4: of abuse, sexual abuse, malnourishment, those kinds of factors with

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Speaker 4: a patient being brought in to the hospital they are

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Speaker 4: compelled by law to report to police at that moment

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Speaker 4: in time that they're seeing something here that has caused

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Speaker 4: some concern. So I'm struck by the fact that at

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Speaker 4: least in the affidavit, it says that she had gone

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Speaker 4: to the hospital and he kept picking her up and

518
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Speaker 4: taking her home. So I just I'm not sure where

519
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Speaker 4: the disconnect came. And i mean, what does that mean.

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Speaker 4: Does that mean that when she went to the hospital,

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Speaker 4: she did not make an outcry. There was nothing there

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Speaker 4: that would indicate to the personnel there at the hospital

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Speaker 4: that there was something going on here in terms of abuse,

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Speaker 4: and they did not notify law enforcement. So there's a

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Speaker 4: whole lot of stuff that we don't know, and there's

526
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Speaker 4: always a backstory. So I'm I'm curious to see how

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Speaker 4: this thing fleshes out in terms of where police got involved.

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Speaker 4: Eight times to this house, and and you know, finally

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Speaker 4: this time in April, this officer, patrol officer pursues this

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Speaker 4: because he hears her, you know, reaching out from the

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Speaker 4: from the structure.

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Speaker 2: And calling out for help, and he hears it this

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Speaker 2: time Champagne Karen.

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Speaker 7: Start, Yeah, I just wonder, you know what kind of

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Speaker 7: story he might have been able to come up with

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Speaker 7: to explain to the hospital that he was there to

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Speaker 7: pick her up. And it's in fact, and it sounds

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Speaker 7: like she was, you know, that addicted that she would

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Speaker 7: just go along with the story.

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Speaker 1: Well I know this, Karen, if this helps you at all.

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Speaker 2: According to a neighbor, Jenediah Bates, he says about a

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Speaker 2: year before he would see the defendant the wrapper viper,

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00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: back his car up to the garage, force her into

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Speaker 2: the car, then take the car out onto the front yard.

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Speaker 2: And it's very odd, Karen Stark. His front yard is

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Speaker 2: very neatly kept. The home looks like it's just been painted,

547
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Speaker 2: so you don't suspect you're holding a woman inside hostage

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Speaker 2: for five years.

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Speaker 1: So long story short, he'd get her into the car,

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Speaker 1: lock the.

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Speaker 2: Car doors, back the car across the grass to the

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Speaker 2: front door, and take her into the house to get

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Speaker 2: a bath, and then force her back in the car.

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Speaker 2: Not let her walk so she could get away, but

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Speaker 2: force her back into the car and pull it back

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Speaker 2: to the garage and force her in.

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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Guys, Right now, we are being joined by a special guest,

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Speaker 2: Shauna Burns.

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Speaker 1: She is the mother of Heley Burns.

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Speaker 2: Heley was lured by an online predator when she was

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Speaker 2: a teen girl, and she was held captive in.

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Speaker 1: The predator's home for over a year.

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Speaker 2: She was starved, she was sex assaulted, and this is

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Speaker 2: as a teen girl.

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Speaker 1: Shauna, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 11: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: When you are hearing this case unfold, a lot of people,

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Speaker 2: as you know.

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Speaker 1: Are saying, why did she leave?

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Speaker 2: Why didn't she get out of there when he opened

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Speaker 2: the door, Why didn't she run out?

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Speaker 1: It's not like that.

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Speaker 2: What have you learned from your experience with your daughter

575
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Speaker 2: being taken and hailed, captive, beaten, sex assaulted, starved for

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Speaker 2: over a year.

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Speaker 11: The situation is so similar. My daughter was also starved,

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Speaker 11: and because of that, it made her her ability to

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Speaker 11: think into function very limited. Even when, like even when

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Speaker 11: we were with her twelve to sixteen to eighteen hours

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Speaker 11: after we recovered her, she was still not mentally all there.

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Speaker 11: It was very she was still very much under his control.

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Speaker 2: What was going through your mind in that year plus

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Speaker 2: that your daughter was hell hostage?

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Speaker 11: A million thoughts at the same time. Is she okay?

586
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Speaker 11: Is she does she need me? Is she crying? Out

587
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Speaker 11: for me, Like, what if she's calling out for me?

588
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 11: What if she needs me? What if I can't get

589
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 11: to her? Like that's the hardest part is being a

590
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Speaker 11: mom is you want to protect your kid and you

591
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Speaker 11: want to keep your kids safe. And we knew very

592
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Speaker 11: early on. We knew that our daughter had been loured

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Speaker 11: away by an internet predator. We knew it, the FBI

594
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Speaker 11: knew it, and we knew that the person that had

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Speaker 11: her did not have good intentions. So the whole time

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Speaker 11: that she was gone, it was just like, what is

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Speaker 11: happening to her? What horrific things is she enduring?

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Speaker 5: And why?

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Speaker 11: Like, how can we get to her to save her?

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Speaker 1: I want you to hear more from Michael Collins, Commander

601
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Speaker 1: Michael Collins from the Houston PD in our cut eight.

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Speaker 3: The concern is that we possibly had an individual located

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Speaker 3: inside this residence, perhaps locked inside one of the interior rooms.

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Speaker 3: You can see behind me the way the house is

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Speaker 3: laid out. On the west side of the residence, there

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Speaker 3: is an attached garage and that had a dead bolt

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Speaker 3: on the outside of the actual unit, so that somebody

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Speaker 3: on the inside was only able to gain entry or

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Speaker 3: leave if it was unlocked. From the outside, so we

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Speaker 3: weren't sure if anybody was inside.

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Speaker 2: Yes, a woman was inside for five years, starving and

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Speaker 2: being raped. It's uncanny that this type, this very odd

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Speaker 2: type of kidnapping, where you keep the personli like an

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Speaker 2: enslaved pet in your home and mistreat It happens over

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Speaker 2: and over and over, and no one seems to notice.

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Speaker 2: Do I have to say the words, Aerial Castro, take

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Speaker 2: a listen to our cup thirty four.

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Speaker 8: When Amanda Berry called nine one one on May sixth,

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Speaker 8: twenty thirteen, it was an answered prayer after ten years

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Speaker 8: of captivity when many people thought you was dead. But

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Speaker 8: that was just the start of what Cleveland was going

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Speaker 8: to find out. In two thousand and three, Ariel Castro

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Speaker 8: offered to give Amanda Barry a ride home from her

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Speaker 8: job at Burger King. The sixteen year old new Castro's

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Speaker 8: children and got in his car. Castro took her back

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Speaker 8: to his house, where he assaulted her and held her captive.

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Speaker 8: But she wasn't the only one. A year before Amanda

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Speaker 8: Barry was kidnapped, twenty year old Michelle Knight got a

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Speaker 8: ride from Castro, and she became his first prisoner. In

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Speaker 8: two thousand and four. Castro added another victim, fourteen year

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Speaker 8: old Gina DeJesus. She was a close friend of his

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Speaker 8: daughter Arlene. Castro kept the women chained in his basement

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Speaker 8: and tortured and raped them.

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Speaker 1: Daily and more.

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Speaker 8: While keeping the girls captive, Castro lived a normal life.

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Speaker 8: Family came to his house, but he locked certain areas.

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Speaker 8: He even attended a vigil for Gina DeJesus. He moved

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Speaker 8: the girls into a barricaded room upstairs. Throughout their captivity,

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Speaker 8: Castro restrained the women and subjected them to multiple sexual

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Speaker 8: Assaul Woltz. When Night became pregnant, which happened several times,

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Speaker 8: Castro starved and beat her until she miscarried. He allowed

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Speaker 8: Barrie's pregnancy to come to term, but forced her to

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Speaker 8: give birth inside a plastic swimming pool. He kept the

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Speaker 8: women captive in his house for years, where he tormented

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Speaker 8: and raped them. Barrie's escape on May six, twenty thirteen,

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Speaker 8: calling nine to one one led to Castro's arrest on

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Speaker 8: August first. He was sent to prison for life plus

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Speaker 8: one thousand years. Castro was found hanged in a prison

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Speaker 8: cell September third, twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 2: The mo so similar modus opera and ni method of operation,

651
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Speaker 2: grabbing the sixteen year old girl off the street, luring

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Speaker 2: her into his car much the same way that this

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Speaker 2: victim was lured. A lot has been kept secret. In

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Speaker 2: the current case, the case in chief, the judge Evan

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Speaker 2: vacated the courtroom to read charges and allegations out loud

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Speaker 2: due to the nature of the crimes, So Castro kept

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Speaker 2: not one, but multiple women chained in a home while

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Speaker 2: he led a normal life, much like Lee Carter aka

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Speaker 2: Viper the Rapper, I guess A similar case that is

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Speaker 2: eerily similar to this case is that of schoolgirl j C.

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Speaker 1: Dugard Take a list hour cut twenty nine.

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Speaker 8: Jac Lee Dugard was eleven years old when she was

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Speaker 8: abducted off the street while walking to her school bus stop.

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Speaker 8: Philip Grido, a convicted sex offender, and his wife Nancy,

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Speaker 8: lured Jc close enough to their car to grab her.

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Speaker 8: Garrito shot Jac with a taser and Nancy covered her

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Speaker 8: with lankets. Jac Duguard was driven one hundred and seventy

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Speaker 8: miles away to Antioch, where she would be housed in

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Speaker 8: the backyard, cut off from the entire world. The gridos

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Speaker 8: kept Jac Duguard captive in her backyard prison. The Gredos

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Speaker 8: start calling her Alyssa, and she is raped by Philip Garrido.

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Speaker 8: Jace becomes pregnant for the first time at age fourteen

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Speaker 8: and gives birth to a healthy baby girl. She's pregnant

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Speaker 8: again at seventeen and gives birth to another baby girl.

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Speaker 8: In both case, the Garritos delivered the children without any

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Speaker 8: medical assistance. Soon, jc Duguard's daughters are living with her

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Speaker 8: in her backyard prison.

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Speaker 2: Jac Duguard kept for years along with her children. Their

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Speaker 2: father was her kidnapper, sash rapist. And then there is

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Speaker 2: another young girl that I can't forget, Abby Hernandez.

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Speaker 8: Take a listen as Abby Hernandez walks home from school,

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Speaker 8: blisters from her new boots for making it hard to walk.

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Speaker 8: A stranger offers a ride. She gets in in seconds.

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Speaker 8: The man pulls a gun, tells Abby if she screams

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Speaker 8: or tries to escape, there will be consequences. He handcuffs her,

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Speaker 8: breaks her cell phone, and drives to a rural wooded area.

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Speaker 8: The man ties her up, sexually assaults the fourteen year old,

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Speaker 8: and locks her in a sound proof shipping container. To

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Speaker 8: make matters worse, he adds a shock collar. Around her

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Speaker 8: neck to keep her from screaming. Abby Hernandez is being drugged,

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Speaker 8: sexually assaulted, tortured with a dog collar, kept in a

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Speaker 8: sound proof shipping container, and now her captor demands she

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Speaker 8: call him master, and he claims he has rigged the

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Speaker 8: storage container where he holds the teenager to erupt into

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Speaker 8: flames if she attempts to escape. Her captor becomes more

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Speaker 8: paranoid about getting caught with the bad money.

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Speaker 2: I've got so many similar transactions. But before I go

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Speaker 2: back to the case in chief, I would be remiss

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Speaker 2: if I don't mention the case of someone I now

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Speaker 2: call a friend, Alisha Kozykevitch, who amazingly survived a similar kidnap.

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Speaker 2: Take listen ower cut twenty seven.

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Speaker 8: When Alicia kozy Kevich was thirteen, she was groomed, lured,

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Speaker 8: and abducted by an internet predator named Scott Tyree. Tyree

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Speaker 8: gained her trust, and, as Alisha has said, Tyree lured

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Speaker 8: her out of the house between dinner and dessert. Tyree

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Speaker 8: took Alisha to his home in Virginuary. He kept her

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Speaker 8: chain to the floor. He was live streaming what he

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Speaker 8: had been doing to Alisia online. People were watching as

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Speaker 8: she had her hands bound above her head, crying, beating, bleeding, begging, raping,

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Speaker 8: and on it.

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Speaker 2: Alicia was saved because another sex predator was seeing the

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Speaker 2: live stream and felt so bad about it he a

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Speaker 2: predator called police. To Karen Stark, renowned psychologists joining us

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Speaker 2: from Manhattan, it's another layer of torture, of rape, of kidnapping,

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Speaker 2: to keep the person like they're some sort of pit,

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Speaker 2: like an animal that you keep against their will, assault, beat, rape, starve.

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Speaker 2: What is that that's beyond a normal rapist or kidnapper.

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Speaker 7: Well, that Nancy's brainwashing, that is making the person be

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Speaker 7: your slave. And if you listen to this young girls

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Speaker 7: who was the brain is just developing. And so how

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Speaker 7: did they begin to have this into themselves and know

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Speaker 7: the difference between who they are and the person who's.

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Speaker 1: Turning them into their personal slave.

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Speaker 7: So it's a tactic that actually works to further enslave

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Speaker 7: the person.

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Speaker 1: To you.

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Speaker 2: Dave Matt crimeonline dot Com investigative reporter, where does the

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Speaker 2: case against Lee Carter aka Viper stand right now?

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Speaker 8: Shockingly enough, Nancy after his first court appearance, he had

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Speaker 8: one hundred thousand dollars bond. He made the bond and

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Speaker 8: got out. There were some conditions of bail. I mean

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Speaker 8: he's got to wear an ankle bracelet and you stay

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Speaker 8: around the house. But in reality, the investigation has just started.

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Speaker 8: He will be appearing back in court in the coming weeks.

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Speaker 8: But this has been turned over to the Sex Trafficking

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Speaker 8: Human Trafficking Division at the Houston Police Department.

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Speaker 1: So this guy's on bond, yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 2: I'm also very curious about the other three women he

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Speaker 2: bribed about keeping in different domiciles. If you know or

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Speaker 2: think you know anything about this victim, her ordeal or

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Speaker 2: the other alleged victims, please call seven to one three

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Speaker 2: three zero eight sixteen hundred. And if you don't know

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Speaker 2: who the viper is, just check out YouTube. He's already

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Speaker 2: gotten four million downloads of his song You cowards don't

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Speaker 2: take crack.

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Speaker 1: That's impressive. We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye friend,