WEBVTT - The Rise and Fall of Sansui

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, and welcome to tex Stuff. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio

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<v Speaker 1>and how the tech are you? So? I alluded to

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<v Speaker 1>this in the prologue to last week's rerun. Listener Ron

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<v Speaker 1>McCallie reached out to the show on Twitter. Remember the

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<v Speaker 1>handle for the show is tech Stuff h s W

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<v Speaker 1>and asked that I do an episode about San Sui,

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<v Speaker 1>which is great because it's time for me to make

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<v Speaker 1>a confession. I don't believe I had ever heard of

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<v Speaker 1>this company. Now. I just felt all the audio files

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<v Speaker 1>out there switching off this show immediately, although who am

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<v Speaker 1>I kidding? Most of them probably can't stand the low

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<v Speaker 1>fidelity of the podcast medium. So I'm having a little

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<v Speaker 1>fun at the expense of audio files here. I'll have

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<v Speaker 1>more to say about audio files throughout this and it's

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<v Speaker 1>not it's not like um all sligging off on audio files.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that they take it very seriously, this idea

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<v Speaker 1>of creating as perfect a sound playback system as they

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<v Speaker 1>possibly can. But there's a lot that goes into that,

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<v Speaker 1>and I might touch on that a little bit in

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast anyway. San Sui was past tense and electronics

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<v Speaker 1>company that has become particularly well known for audio and

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<v Speaker 1>to a lesser extent, video system components. Now, if you

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<v Speaker 1>do a search for san Sui, by the way, that's

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<v Speaker 1>spelled s A N s u I, you will find

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<v Speaker 1>numerous articles and videos that mentioned San Sui in the

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<v Speaker 1>company of other big name companies like Pioneer and Sony.

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<v Speaker 1>You all so be on the precipice of a huge

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<v Speaker 1>drop into the sometimes crazy world of hi fi or

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<v Speaker 1>high fidelity, and just know that if you do slip

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<v Speaker 1>over the edge, there's a chance that you will never

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<v Speaker 1>come back. Hi fi is one of those pursuits that

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<v Speaker 1>can consume you and more to the point your bank account.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk about that today too. And just know I'm

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<v Speaker 1>being a little flip in about all this, But what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean is that there are a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>out there who they are obsessed with finding that perfect

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<v Speaker 1>high fidelity experience, to the point that some of them

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<v Speaker 1>are are spending tens of thousands of dollars in the

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<v Speaker 1>pursuit of it. Uh and they may never achieve it.

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<v Speaker 1>So our story begins in the nineteen forties in Japan.

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<v Speaker 1>They're a man named Kosaku Kikuchi was employed in a

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<v Speaker 1>company that was a radio parts distributor. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the word district reader is one that I think isn't

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<v Speaker 1>clear for everyone. So let's get ready for our first

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<v Speaker 1>little buddy trail. Uh. And first let's start with the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of a supply chain. And let's say it's the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventies and you want a new sound system so

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<v Speaker 1>you can listen to the transgressive glam rock sounds of

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<v Speaker 1>artists like David Bowie, Lou Reid and the New York Dolls.

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<v Speaker 1>Or heck, maybe it's you know, just a year or

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<v Speaker 1>two later in the decade, and you want a rocking

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<v Speaker 1>system so that you can listen to punk bands like

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<v Speaker 1>the Ramons, the void Oid's and the Heartbreakers. Or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it's the late seventies and disco is king, so you

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<v Speaker 1>want to groove out to the b Gs or Casey

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<v Speaker 1>in the Sunshine Band or earth Wind and Fire. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>getting a bit of a nostalgic kick here, can you tell? Anyway?

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<v Speaker 1>You want to buy a stereo system, So you go

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<v Speaker 1>to your local electronics store and you take a look

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<v Speaker 1>at what's on display. Every single product you're looking at

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<v Speaker 1>can trace its history back through a chain of production.

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<v Speaker 1>So there are certain companies that mine the raw materials

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<v Speaker 1>that ultimately find their way into our tech. Some of

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<v Speaker 1>them might also process those raw materials and refine them,

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe they send the raw materials onto refineries that

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<v Speaker 1>are dedicated just to doing that. And then you've got

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<v Speaker 1>fabricators that take raw or processed materials and then build

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<v Speaker 1>components with them. And then you've got factories that take

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<v Speaker 1>these components that are made by the various fabricators out

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<v Speaker 1>there and assemble them into larger products. And then you've

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<v Speaker 1>got distributors that take these finished products, which could be

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<v Speaker 1>just a component for an even more complicated product down

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<v Speaker 1>the line, and the distributors are in charge of getting

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<v Speaker 1>that finished thing, typically to a wholesaler, and wholesalers then

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<v Speaker 1>sell large lots of finished things to retailers, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the retailer sells it to you, the final customer, who

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<v Speaker 1>wants to buy the best stereos them. This, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the reasons we see such challenges in

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<v Speaker 1>supply these days, because COVID really messed up the links

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<v Speaker 1>in the supply chain, and if just one link falls, well,

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<v Speaker 1>then everything that goes behind that that link has a delay,

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<v Speaker 1>and things get worse and worse as it goes along.

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<v Speaker 1>So a distributor, like I said, is a link between

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<v Speaker 1>manufacturers who might fabricate or simply a symbol stuff and

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<v Speaker 1>then the rest of the supply chain. And distributors sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>act as vendors as well, or they might supply products

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<v Speaker 1>to wholesalers and directly to retailers. Anyway, just in case

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<v Speaker 1>you ever want to know what a distributor was in

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<v Speaker 1>the sense of the supply chain, there you go. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It also means something totally different, and we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>car engines. Those are different distributors, but that's another podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's the nineteen forties and Kikuchi is working for

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<v Speaker 1>this company, which obviously became a critical entity during World

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<v Speaker 1>War Two. Radio parts were, if you pardon the pun,

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<v Speaker 1>instrumental in the war effort. Cakuchie founded a radio part

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<v Speaker 1>manufacturing plant that he named the san Sui Electrical Plant

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen four And a quick word about that name.

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<v Speaker 1>From what I can tell, san Sui is not a

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<v Speaker 1>Japanese term. Rather, it actually comes from China, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>a style of painting, and in China it's called shan

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<v Speaker 1>Shui and it has the style has two key components

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<v Speaker 1>to it. Artists use brushes and ink instead of brushes

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<v Speaker 1>and paint, and they paint landscapes that those are the

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<v Speaker 1>two things that that identify Shanshui paintings. Shanshui translated literally

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<v Speaker 1>means mountain water and a lot of the landscapes that

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<v Speaker 1>are painted feature images of waterfalls and mountain streams and such.

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<v Speaker 1>So San Sui the company its first products were transformers,

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<v Speaker 1>and again not the kind that are more than meets

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<v Speaker 1>the eye. We're talking about an electrical component that can

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<v Speaker 1>both transfer electric energy from one circuit to another, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as changed the voltage of the current running through

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<v Speaker 1>the second circuit or to increase it or decrease it.

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<v Speaker 1>So audio transformers also get a bit more complicated because

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<v Speaker 1>they could be designed to do other stuff like split

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<v Speaker 1>audio signals apart or join them together, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>to block radio frequency interference, among other things. But this

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<v Speaker 1>gets super technical, and if I dive into that, we

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<v Speaker 1>won't have a chance to talk about San Sue at all,

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna save all that for some other episode.

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<v Speaker 1>So in Kikuchi was ready to launch a company that

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<v Speaker 1>would go beyond just manufacturing transformers. This would be the

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<v Speaker 1>sen Sui Electric Company, and his initial starting capital, like

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<v Speaker 1>the amount of money that was in the company was

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<v Speaker 1>on eight thousand yen. Now, I wish I could tell

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<v Speaker 1>you what that was worth today, but the inflation calculators

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<v Speaker 1>I found only dated back to the nineteen fifties. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I do know that in nineteen forty six, the occupation

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<v Speaker 1>forces that were in Japan after World War Two had

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<v Speaker 1>set the yen to dollar exchange rate at fifty yen

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<v Speaker 1>to a dollar. So using that conversion rate, thousand yen

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen forty seven would be equal to about three thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>six hundred bucks again in nineteen forty seven dollars. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if we adjusted that in the US for US inflation,

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<v Speaker 1>you would get about forty five thousand dollars, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty modest initial capital for a company. But I

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<v Speaker 1>also have to point out that you know, inflation and

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<v Speaker 1>exchange rates change so much over time that you can't

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<v Speaker 1>just say, like, oh, it had forty five thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>in capital back then, because that it's too simplistic of

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<v Speaker 1>you to be able to say that appreciation of one

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<v Speaker 1>currency against another changes things dramatically, and appreciation of currencies

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't necessarily reflect in let's say, inflation or deflation within

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<v Speaker 1>a country. So yeah, I just know that it was

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<v Speaker 1>a fairly modest starting capital for this company. Now, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have very much information on what the company was

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<v Speaker 1>doing in its first few years. In fact, documentation about

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<v Speaker 1>San Suey in general is sparse. I looked at a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of different sites, many of them run by audio files,

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<v Speaker 1>and so a lot of the information I have is

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<v Speaker 1>second hand or third hand information, and I don't usually

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<v Speaker 1>like running with that, but I kind of didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>many other options for this particular episode. But the next

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<v Speaker 1>point of data that I could find on San Suey

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<v Speaker 1>actually comes in at nineteen fifty two, So this is

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<v Speaker 1>several years after the founding. The founding was in nine seven,

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<v Speaker 1>So in nineteen fifty two, and sue was producing voltage

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<v Speaker 1>stabilizers and a few dozen different kinds of transformers, and

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<v Speaker 1>at that point the company employed fifty two people. In

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<v Speaker 1>nine four, San Sui introduced the HPR one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>electronic tube amplifier. Now, last week, again I reran an

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<v Speaker 1>episode that talked about how speakers and amplifiers work, so

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<v Speaker 1>we're not gonna go into deep detail again here, but

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<v Speaker 1>you should know an amplifier's job is to take a

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<v Speaker 1>weak incoming signal as an input and then send out

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<v Speaker 1>a much stronger, but otherwise identical outgoing signal to other components,

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<v Speaker 1>typically things like speakers, and reproducing the quality of the

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<v Speaker 1>input signal is absolutely key with an amplifier. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>just enough to boost the signal. You want to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that you are as true to that incoming signal

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<v Speaker 1>as you possibly can be. Otherwise the amplifier can become

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<v Speaker 1>an element that decreases the quality of that signal, and

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<v Speaker 1>it can introduce noise into the output, and that's a

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<v Speaker 1>big problem. So with audio gear, we're talking about actual noise, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like stuff that's coming out of the speakers that was

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<v Speaker 1>not part of the original recording. You do not want that.

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<v Speaker 1>In general, audio files absolutely do not want that. They

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<v Speaker 1>want to create a listening experience that is as faithful

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<v Speaker 1>to the original recording experience as is possible, So you

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<v Speaker 1>do not want to introduce noise. However, I should say

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<v Speaker 1>that noise also just means like unwanted signal, and it

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<v Speaker 1>applies across all of technology, not just in the audio world.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, you don't want to introduce unwanted signal

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<v Speaker 1>because that means you're gonna get errors in whatever it

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<v Speaker 1>is you're doing. So amplifiers in general, you want to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to of good output, a strong outgoing signal

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<v Speaker 1>without introducing unwanted components, unwanted noise, and that is a

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<v Speaker 1>real challenge. Like that's why San Sui ended up getting

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<v Speaker 1>such a great reputation in the sixties and early seventies

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<v Speaker 1>because their products were known to produce a pretty powerful

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<v Speaker 1>output without introducing noise. So that was a great thing

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<v Speaker 1>for audio files. Uh Now, I might also add that

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm talking about noise, I am not making a

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<v Speaker 1>commentary on the quality of the music that someone might

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<v Speaker 1>be listening to. I mean, I personally think a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of so called music is noise, but that's because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>an rapidly aging glam punk rock new wave music lover.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's just you know, my prejudice and biases in

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<v Speaker 1>that regard. But another quick note about amplifiers. When we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about boosting an electrical signal that represents sound, we

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<v Speaker 1>have to remember that sound ranges across a pretty broad

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<v Speaker 1>range of frequencies. Sound when you boil it down is vibration,

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<v Speaker 1>and we can measure it in one way we can

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<v Speaker 1>measure it is how frequently is the stuff vibrating. The

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<v Speaker 1>faster it vibrates, the higher the pitch that we experience

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<v Speaker 1>in listening to it. Human hearing typically ranges from twenty

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<v Speaker 1>hurts or twenty vibrations or cycles per second on the

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<v Speaker 1>low end, those are the deepest pitches that we can

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<v Speaker 1>perceive with our with hearing, like you can feel lower frequencies,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can't hear them, and then it goes up

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<v Speaker 1>to twenty thousand hurts or twenty killer hurts on the

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<v Speaker 1>high end, so vibrating twenty thousand cycles per second. Those

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<v Speaker 1>are the highest pitches we can typically perceive, and that

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<v Speaker 1>that range decreases as we get older. Typically we we

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<v Speaker 1>start to lose those higher pitches first, So as an adult,

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<v Speaker 1>you may not be able to hear stuff that's up

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<v Speaker 1>in that twenty thousand hurts range. It may be much lower.

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<v Speaker 1>This is also played into when various places like convenience

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<v Speaker 1>stores will play out sounds at higher pitches that young

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<v Speaker 1>people can hear, but older people can't. In order to

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<v Speaker 1>uh discourage young people from loitering fun times anyway, amplifiers

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<v Speaker 1>typically have a sweet spot and uh in a range

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<v Speaker 1>of frequencies that they can really boost effectively. So this

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<v Speaker 1>would be a range of electrical signals at which the

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<v Speaker 1>amplifier is most effective. That is the amplifiers bandwidth. That's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things that affects an amplifiers quality. If

0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:50.160
<v Speaker 1>the bandwidth is really narrow, well, the amplifier might be

0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:53.480
<v Speaker 1>work great for a certain range of frequencies, but anything

0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:57.200
<v Speaker 1>outside that, you're not gonna get the same umph, which

0:14:57.240 --> 0:15:01.560
<v Speaker 1>means that you're listening experience is going to be ideal, right,

0:15:01.640 --> 0:15:05.440
<v Speaker 1>because those those signals aren't going to be amplified, You're

0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:09.000
<v Speaker 1>going to lose out on some of the range of

0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:14.280
<v Speaker 1>the sound as it's being played back. Okay, we're gonna

0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:16.440
<v Speaker 1>have some other stuff to chat about in a minute,

0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:19.120
<v Speaker 1>but before we get to that, I need to take

0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:29.320
<v Speaker 1>a quick break. Okay, before the break, I was talking

0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:33.800
<v Speaker 1>about the kind of sound that most people are capable

0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:38.960
<v Speaker 1>of hearing um and how that plays into amplifiers, and

0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:43.000
<v Speaker 1>that certain amplifiers might have a particular range that they're

0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:46.640
<v Speaker 1>very good at reproducing and others that they aren't. Often

0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:53.000
<v Speaker 1>with amplifiers, you'll have multiple amplification components, each with a

0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:56.440
<v Speaker 1>different sort of sweet spot range to try and reproduce

0:15:57.040 --> 0:16:04.080
<v Speaker 1>the whole of a recorded or broadcast audio signals quality,

0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:06.440
<v Speaker 1>because again, otherwise you would lose parts of it when

0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:09.680
<v Speaker 1>you were sending that signal along to the speakers. And

0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:11.960
<v Speaker 1>there's other stuff we could talk about. For example, the

0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:16.200
<v Speaker 1>way we contextualize how an amplifier can increase the amplitude

0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:20.120
<v Speaker 1>or volume of a signal. That's called gain. So if

0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:22.640
<v Speaker 1>you've ever heard people talk about needing to adjust the

0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:26.880
<v Speaker 1>gain on their microphones or their amplifiers, that's what they're

0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:29.160
<v Speaker 1>talking about. And I'll have to do a full episode

0:16:29.160 --> 0:16:32.040
<v Speaker 1>about gain and clipping and stuff like that in the

0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:35.200
<v Speaker 1>future because if I stick to it here, it will

0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:37.640
<v Speaker 1>take up the rest of this episode. But gain is

0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.600
<v Speaker 1>super important. Whether it's because you want to make sure

0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:44.040
<v Speaker 1>your voice sounds nice on a podcast well any clipping,

0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.360
<v Speaker 1>or maybe you want to purposefully introduce certain effects like

0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:50.200
<v Speaker 1>clipping or distortion in your output, like that's part of

0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:56.480
<v Speaker 1>your artistic expression. You might want to do that. Um, So, yeah,

0:16:56.520 --> 0:17:00.560
<v Speaker 1>it is important, but it goes beyond this episode. Well,

0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.600
<v Speaker 1>then we also have to talk about pre amplifiers, because

0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:07.760
<v Speaker 1>that's something that San Suey was getting into in this

0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:12.320
<v Speaker 1>time period. So pre amplifiers or pre amps are amplifiers

0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:15.520
<v Speaker 1>that take very weak signals, like say from a microphone,

0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:20.720
<v Speaker 1>which produces a very weak electrical signal, and then boosts

0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:25.080
<v Speaker 1>that into a stronger signal, but not super strong, like

0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:28.719
<v Speaker 1>not strong enough to drive speakers. So pre amps signal

0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:32.480
<v Speaker 1>would then feed into an actual amplifier, and that would

0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:36.359
<v Speaker 1>take the pre amps boosted signal and then boosted even further.

0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:39.080
<v Speaker 1>But then you might wonder, well, why would you use

0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:41.520
<v Speaker 1>a preamp at all? I mean, couldn't an amplifier just

0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:45.080
<v Speaker 1>do the whole thing by itself. Well, pre amplifiers are

0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:48.040
<v Speaker 1>necessary to cut back on that noise thing I was

0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:51.399
<v Speaker 1>just talking about, and to cut back on interference. The

0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:57.640
<v Speaker 1>pre amp typically boosts voltage gain, but not current gain. Remember,

0:17:57.760 --> 0:18:01.000
<v Speaker 1>voltage and current are two different things. Voltage is kind

0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:04.199
<v Speaker 1>of like the pressure in electrical system. Current is like

0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:08.800
<v Speaker 1>the amount of electricity that's passing through a system. So

0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:12.680
<v Speaker 1>you're increasing the pressure with a pre amp, but not

0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:18.000
<v Speaker 1>the current um and this will then boost the gain

0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.679
<v Speaker 1>to what is called line level. That is, a signal

0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:24.160
<v Speaker 1>that's strong enough to send onto a power amplifier, which

0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:27.600
<v Speaker 1>will then boost the signal further, ideally without introducing noise

0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:31.879
<v Speaker 1>into it. And a power amplifier will boost voltage and current,

0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:35.040
<v Speaker 1>not just one or the other, and it will send

0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:38.520
<v Speaker 1>this boosted signal out to power speakers and monitors and stuff.

0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:41.679
<v Speaker 1>And by monitors I mean a type of speaker, not

0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:44.439
<v Speaker 1>a display, you know, not a not a not a

0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:48.680
<v Speaker 1>computer monitor in other words, and amplifiers do this by

0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:53.080
<v Speaker 1>having power directed to them from outside sources. Now, I

0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:55.159
<v Speaker 1>say this because I do not want to give you

0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:59.119
<v Speaker 1>the impression that somehow amplifiers magically create energy, because we

0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:03.080
<v Speaker 1>know from the law of conservation you cannot do that. Instead,

0:19:03.440 --> 0:19:06.959
<v Speaker 1>amplifiers are taking an incoming signal and then boosting that

0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:10.600
<v Speaker 1>by taking advantage of electrical power from another source, like

0:19:10.920 --> 0:19:14.720
<v Speaker 1>say a wall outlet, and then pushes out this stronger

0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:19.480
<v Speaker 1>outgoing signal that's otherwise identical to the incoming one. Now,

0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:22.720
<v Speaker 1>the reason I even went into this is that preampts

0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:25.800
<v Speaker 1>and amplifier tubes would sort of open up the possibility

0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:28.920
<v Speaker 1>of a high fidelity industry, which is where San Sui

0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:31.920
<v Speaker 1>would have its biggest impact, So it's good to have

0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:35.520
<v Speaker 1>a basic understanding of that technology. Now. Nineteen fifty four

0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:38.399
<v Speaker 1>was also a year when a company called Harmon Cardon

0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:42.360
<v Speaker 1>became the first to introduce a receiver. So you need

0:19:42.400 --> 0:19:44.879
<v Speaker 1>to know what a receiver is and consider for a

0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:48.359
<v Speaker 1>moment the various components you might need. If you really

0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:52.439
<v Speaker 1>loved audio in the nineteen fifties, well, you would need

0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:55.399
<v Speaker 1>a radio typically that would consist of at least, you know,

0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:58.560
<v Speaker 1>one antenna and a tuner that lets you tune into

0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:02.399
<v Speaker 1>specific radio frequencies. You would also need an amplifier or

0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:05.639
<v Speaker 1>more likely a couple of amplifiers, that would take the

0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:08.760
<v Speaker 1>incoming electrical signal from the radio broadcast and boost it

0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:11.880
<v Speaker 1>so that it can drive the radio's speakers. And then

0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:15.000
<v Speaker 1>you would also need speakers. Uh. The radio's way back

0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:17.520
<v Speaker 1>in the day were pretty big. They were reliant on

0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:21.560
<v Speaker 1>vacuum tubes to serve as amplifiers, so the old radios

0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:24.760
<v Speaker 1>were essentially pieces of furniture. By the nineteen fifties, they

0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:27.360
<v Speaker 1>were slightly smaller than they had been in the thirties

0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:30.520
<v Speaker 1>and forties, but it wouldn't really be until the adoption

0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:33.280
<v Speaker 1>of the transistor that we would see them shrink down.

0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:37.320
<v Speaker 1>But as an audio file, you wouldn't just stop with

0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:39.720
<v Speaker 1>the radio. You would also need a record player, a

0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:43.879
<v Speaker 1>turntable or phonograph really in those days. Uh. This consists

0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:47.239
<v Speaker 1>of the turntable itself, and if the turntable is not

0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:50.040
<v Speaker 1>an all in one unit with its own speaker, you

0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:53.640
<v Speaker 1>would also need a separate amplifier and separate speakers so

0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:56.960
<v Speaker 1>that the weak electric signal that was coming from the

0:20:57.040 --> 0:21:01.040
<v Speaker 1>record player could be boosted enough to drive the speakers.

0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:04.239
<v Speaker 1>All in one units had all the components built into them. Uh.

0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:08.280
<v Speaker 1>But those components are still all right there, and it's

0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:12.399
<v Speaker 1>possible you might have some other audio sources as well. Uh,

0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:14.840
<v Speaker 1>and you would again need the amplifiers and speakers for

0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:16.800
<v Speaker 1>each of them. So your home is gonna get really

0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:18.960
<v Speaker 1>crammed with gear because you might want something that can

0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:22.560
<v Speaker 1>play back tape. For example, now in the nineteen fifties

0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:25.840
<v Speaker 1>we would be talking about real to real tape. A

0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:29.120
<v Speaker 1>lot of the tape players had their own speakers incorporated

0:21:29.200 --> 0:21:33.679
<v Speaker 1>into them in this form factor, but you would so

0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:36.200
<v Speaker 1>you could have a standalone player that would have everything,

0:21:36.640 --> 0:21:40.080
<v Speaker 1>But you could also have one that just have the

0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:42.800
<v Speaker 1>tape deck itself and would still need to go through

0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:45.720
<v Speaker 1>an amplifier and speakers before you could actually listen to it.

0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:49.560
<v Speaker 1>So you have all these independent components, each of their

0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:53.000
<v Speaker 1>own dedicated speaker systems and amplifiers, just so you can

0:21:53.080 --> 0:21:57.520
<v Speaker 1>enjoy your tunes. That ends up being way too much

0:21:57.560 --> 0:22:00.440
<v Speaker 1>for most people. So then enter the receiver, and a

0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:03.119
<v Speaker 1>receiver collects a lot of these components into a single

0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:05.919
<v Speaker 1>piece of equipment that you can then use to switch

0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:12.600
<v Speaker 1>between different incoming audio signals. Nearly all receivers have a

0:22:12.680 --> 0:22:16.760
<v Speaker 1>radio tuner built into them. Some might not, but we

0:22:16.840 --> 0:22:21.520
<v Speaker 1>typically would call those amplifiers rather than receivers, so they've

0:22:21.520 --> 0:22:25.040
<v Speaker 1>got the radio tuner. They also typically have a full

0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:28.119
<v Speaker 1>amplifier inside them. Some might just have a preamp that

0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:29.800
<v Speaker 1>you then have to send out to an amplifier, but

0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:32.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot of receivers have the amplifier built into them

0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:38.000
<v Speaker 1>as well, and they can accept multiple audio inputs. The

0:22:38.080 --> 0:22:40.920
<v Speaker 1>number and type depends upon the receiver, but it was

0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:43.760
<v Speaker 1>pretty common for them to accept incoming signals from a

0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:48.640
<v Speaker 1>phonograph typically labeled phono on most receivers, as well as

0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:54.320
<v Speaker 1>tape decks. So now you can connect multiple audio devices

0:22:54.400 --> 0:22:58.879
<v Speaker 1>like a turntable, a tape deck. You've got your radio

0:22:59.040 --> 0:23:02.040
<v Speaker 1>tuner built in right there, all through this one device

0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:05.040
<v Speaker 1>and use a switch to go between them to feed

0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:08.560
<v Speaker 1>out to your speakers, so you don't need speakers for everything.

0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:12.120
<v Speaker 1>You've got one says speakers, and these all get directed

0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:15.720
<v Speaker 1>through the receiver which then sends that signal onto the speakers,

0:23:16.520 --> 0:23:19.600
<v Speaker 1>and you use dials, buttons, or switches to switch between

0:23:19.600 --> 0:23:22.640
<v Speaker 1>the different inputs. You also typically have controls to set

0:23:22.680 --> 0:23:26.639
<v Speaker 1>things like ranges of frequencies that you would prefer to emphasize. So,

0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:29.440
<v Speaker 1>for example, you may want the base notes to come

0:23:29.440 --> 0:23:32.359
<v Speaker 1>through more clearly, so you use a little knob that's

0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:36.560
<v Speaker 1>labeled base. That essentially means that the base signals will

0:23:36.600 --> 0:23:39.600
<v Speaker 1>get a bit more ooth when sent to the speakers

0:23:39.640 --> 0:23:44.440
<v Speaker 1>than other frequencies are. Um, you have the balance, which

0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:50.080
<v Speaker 1>can affect which speakers get more signal than the others.

0:23:50.240 --> 0:23:53.840
<v Speaker 1>So maybe you have left and right speakers, but the

0:23:53.880 --> 0:23:57.160
<v Speaker 1>left speakers are further away from you than the right speakers.

0:23:57.480 --> 0:23:59.320
<v Speaker 1>You might want to tweak the balance a bit so

0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:01.600
<v Speaker 1>that the left beakers get a little more umph, so

0:24:01.640 --> 0:24:05.200
<v Speaker 1>that you get a balanced output based upon where you're

0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:09.840
<v Speaker 1>actually experiencing the music and so on, and of course volume,

0:24:10.000 --> 0:24:13.399
<v Speaker 1>right the amplitude, how loud do you want the stuff

0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:17.040
<v Speaker 1>to be. So the Harmon Cardon receiver in nineteen fifty

0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:19.760
<v Speaker 1>four cost a hundred eighty nine dollars and fifty cents, which,

0:24:19.800 --> 0:24:22.560
<v Speaker 1>if we were to adjust for inflation, would be just

0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:25.840
<v Speaker 1>under two thousand dollars today, And it wouldn't be long

0:24:25.880 --> 0:24:29.600
<v Speaker 1>before other companies, including san Sui, would get involved in

0:24:29.680 --> 0:24:35.080
<v Speaker 1>manufacturing receivers. But San sue wouldn't produce receivers right away.

0:24:35.119 --> 0:24:38.920
<v Speaker 1>In the late nineteen fifties it started producing tube pre

0:24:39.000 --> 0:24:42.919
<v Speaker 1>amplifier and amplifiers. Now I can't get too specific with

0:24:43.040 --> 0:24:46.840
<v Speaker 1>years here because the various sources I find have conflicting

0:24:46.880 --> 0:24:49.800
<v Speaker 1>information about that, but certainly before the end of the

0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:54.840
<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifties, San Suey was producing tube receivers, pre amplifiers,

0:24:54.960 --> 0:24:59.840
<v Speaker 1>and amplifiers. So in some cases these amplifiers were full

0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:02.720
<v Speaker 1>units that you would buy, you would bring home, and

0:25:02.760 --> 0:25:05.040
<v Speaker 1>you would connect to your sound system. They just wouldn't

0:25:05.080 --> 0:25:07.480
<v Speaker 1>have a radio built into them, but they had all

0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:14.720
<v Speaker 1>the other amplification elements as part of them. And Kikuchi

0:25:14.920 --> 0:25:17.760
<v Speaker 1>also began to explore the possibility of exporting his products

0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:20.959
<v Speaker 1>to overseas markets, and by nineteen fifty nine the company

0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:24.919
<v Speaker 1>had grown to five seven employees. It was nineteen sixty

0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:27.360
<v Speaker 1>one when san Sui would be listed on the Tokyo

0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:30.199
<v Speaker 1>Stock Exchange, and that's also the year that the company

0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:34.280
<v Speaker 1>registered its name in the United States. In nineteen sixty four,

0:25:34.560 --> 0:25:38.240
<v Speaker 1>the company released its first receiver. This was the SACKS

0:25:38.440 --> 0:25:41.479
<v Speaker 1>one D the s A X one. This was a

0:25:41.560 --> 0:25:45.080
<v Speaker 1>stereo receiver with FM and A M radio tuners, and

0:25:45.119 --> 0:25:48.280
<v Speaker 1>it had vacuum tubes for everything but the preamp. The

0:25:48.280 --> 0:25:51.960
<v Speaker 1>preample solid state, but everything else was vacuum tubes. There

0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:55.720
<v Speaker 1>were knobs to adjust the trouble and base referring to

0:25:55.760 --> 0:25:59.960
<v Speaker 1>the higher and lower sound frequencies respectively. There was an

0:26:00.160 --> 0:26:03.320
<v Speaker 1>for the balance again the comparative signal strength for the

0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:06.600
<v Speaker 1>left versus the right speakers, and there was a volume

0:26:06.680 --> 0:26:08.960
<v Speaker 1>knob as well, plus some other switches and dials to

0:26:09.000 --> 0:26:12.600
<v Speaker 1>select things like input signal and mode of operation. Uh.

0:26:12.760 --> 0:26:15.720
<v Speaker 1>I guess we should remind ourselves that stereo is referencing

0:26:15.760 --> 0:26:18.919
<v Speaker 1>the fact that you could send different audio signals to

0:26:19.080 --> 0:26:23.000
<v Speaker 1>two different speakers or sets of speakers if you preferred

0:26:23.240 --> 0:26:25.520
<v Speaker 1>so that you would have a left channel and a

0:26:25.760 --> 0:26:28.200
<v Speaker 1>right channel. This opened up a lot of new ways

0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:33.199
<v Speaker 1>to experiment with sound. Mono, by comparison, sends the same

0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:37.760
<v Speaker 1>audio signal out to every speaker, so with mono output,

0:26:38.119 --> 0:26:41.800
<v Speaker 1>you get the exact same sounds at the same volume

0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:45.080
<v Speaker 1>on the left and right speakers unless you change the balance,

0:26:45.080 --> 0:26:46.760
<v Speaker 1>in which case you would still get the same signal,

0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:50.720
<v Speaker 1>but one speaker would get more a stronger signal than

0:26:50.760 --> 0:26:52.720
<v Speaker 1>the other, so you would have more volume coming from

0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:57.280
<v Speaker 1>one side versus the other side. Stereo change and change

0:26:57.359 --> 0:27:00.560
<v Speaker 1>that entirely. Though it would take a while for stereo

0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:03.280
<v Speaker 1>to really take off, not everyone embraced it. There's a

0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:07.000
<v Speaker 1>pretty famous anecdote that the Beatles band that was really

0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:12.280
<v Speaker 1>an international for phenomenon by they were really hands on

0:27:12.480 --> 0:27:16.959
<v Speaker 1>during the album mixing phase, but only for the mono

0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:20.360
<v Speaker 1>releases of their albums, so they really wanted to make

0:27:20.359 --> 0:27:24.199
<v Speaker 1>sure that their vocals, their instrumentation, any effects that they

0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:27.800
<v Speaker 1>were adding, we're all mixed just right for the mono

0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:31.400
<v Speaker 1>release of their albums. When it came to their stereo releases,

0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:34.480
<v Speaker 1>they just left that to the audio engineers. You might

0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:38.000
<v Speaker 1>wonder why why wouldn't they take the same care well,

0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:42.560
<v Speaker 1>their fan base consisted mostly of young people who had

0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:47.480
<v Speaker 1>record players with a mono speaker on them, so they

0:27:47.520 --> 0:27:49.879
<v Speaker 1>were just concerned with crafting music that was going to

0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:52.120
<v Speaker 1>sound good to the majority of the people who were

0:27:52.160 --> 0:27:57.240
<v Speaker 1>buying their albums. Stereo was not that right most of

0:27:57.280 --> 0:28:00.399
<v Speaker 1>their most of their audience didn't have stereo systems. However,

0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:04.040
<v Speaker 1>stereo was the way of the future. In nineteen sixty six,

0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:08.600
<v Speaker 1>San Suey established a corporate presence here in the United States,

0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:12.760
<v Speaker 1>founding the San Sui Electronics Company, Limited here in the States,

0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:16.240
<v Speaker 1>and the following year ninety seven was when the company

0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:19.480
<v Speaker 1>would release a solid state pre amplifier called the a

0:28:19.680 --> 0:28:25.000
<v Speaker 1>U seven seven seven using transistors. So I've talked about

0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:27.960
<v Speaker 1>transistors a lot in other episodes, but the transistor is

0:28:27.960 --> 0:28:31.560
<v Speaker 1>an electronic component that can operate either as a switch,

0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:33.960
<v Speaker 1>so in other words, that can allow current to flow

0:28:34.040 --> 0:28:37.560
<v Speaker 1>through or prevent it from passing, or it can also

0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:41.880
<v Speaker 1>work as an amplifier, and transistors would have a massive

0:28:41.920 --> 0:28:45.520
<v Speaker 1>impact on the audio landscape as a transistor could potentially

0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:49.560
<v Speaker 1>replace a vacuum tube. This was important because vacuum tubes

0:28:49.560 --> 0:28:53.360
<v Speaker 1>are relatively large they are fragile, they're made out of glass,

0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:57.240
<v Speaker 1>and they can they do heat up when an operation

0:28:57.400 --> 0:29:00.000
<v Speaker 1>like they can get really hot. Uh. They can also

0:29:00.000 --> 0:29:03.360
<v Speaker 1>so eventually burn out, which means you eventually will have

0:29:03.400 --> 0:29:06.160
<v Speaker 1>to replace vacuum tubes. It might take decades, but you

0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:10.040
<v Speaker 1>will eventually have to do it. Transistors would also allow

0:29:10.080 --> 0:29:13.440
<v Speaker 1>for mentorization. In fact, the development of the transistor is

0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:17.640
<v Speaker 1>why we're able to have things like smartphones and modern computers.

0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:21.440
<v Speaker 1>But in the audio world, there's a pretty deep divide

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:27.080
<v Speaker 1>over whether tube based amplifiers produce a better result or

0:29:27.120 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 1>if solid state or transistor based amplifiers are the best.

0:29:32.360 --> 0:29:36.760
<v Speaker 1>And you'll hear audio files swap terms like warmth or

0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:42.560
<v Speaker 1>brittle or a round. These are descriptors that don't immediately

0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:46.880
<v Speaker 1>seem to apply to sound, right like, when you're talking

0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:50.160
<v Speaker 1>about sounds something you're hearing, it's kind of odd to

0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:54.640
<v Speaker 1>think of calling it warm or brittle or round like.

0:29:54.720 --> 0:29:57.640
<v Speaker 1>These are descriptors that we would use for other stuff

0:29:57.680 --> 0:30:01.440
<v Speaker 1>that we sense through other ways. But that's kind of

0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:05.440
<v Speaker 1>the language that the audio world has adopted, and it's

0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:09.960
<v Speaker 1>difficult to to contextualize or to understand unless you actually

0:30:10.000 --> 0:30:12.800
<v Speaker 1>experience what people mean when they say that. When you

0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 1>hear it and you say, oh, that's what warm means

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:19.960
<v Speaker 1>or that's what round means, you kind of get it,

0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:26.600
<v Speaker 1>but it's very hard to to conceptualize without that experience. Anyway,

0:30:26.640 --> 0:30:30.320
<v Speaker 1>there's a whole discussion we could have on solid state

0:30:30.480 --> 0:30:33.880
<v Speaker 1>versus two amplifiers and whether one is superior to another.

0:30:34.360 --> 0:30:36.920
<v Speaker 1>There are some people who say the solid state ones

0:30:37.680 --> 0:30:42.040
<v Speaker 1>create a much more faithful reproduction of sound. There are

0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:44.640
<v Speaker 1>others who say that, you know, the vacuum tubes create

0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:48.600
<v Speaker 1>a lot more character and depth of sound, which is

0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:51.960
<v Speaker 1>more satisfying to listen to. There are camps on either

0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:58.480
<v Speaker 1>side that are passionate about their perspective. And I'm going

0:30:58.520 --> 0:31:02.440
<v Speaker 1>to leave it there for now. Us again, we're talking

0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:05.280
<v Speaker 1>about Sun Sue or at least I'm trying to. In fact,

0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:08.520
<v Speaker 1>let's take a quick break and I will refocus on

0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:18.600
<v Speaker 1>Sound Sue when we return. Okay, before the break, we

0:31:18.600 --> 0:31:20.640
<v Speaker 1>were getting into the late sixties. I do need to

0:31:20.640 --> 0:31:24.719
<v Speaker 1>backtrack a little bit because in n Sun Suey had

0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:29.960
<v Speaker 1>introduced the AU one one one amplifier. This was a

0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:34.080
<v Speaker 1>piece of audio equipment that to this day is highly

0:31:34.720 --> 0:31:39.280
<v Speaker 1>revered and sought after. And it looks awesome. Uh. It

0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:42.440
<v Speaker 1>is an amplifier and all in one amplifier, so it's

0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:44.760
<v Speaker 1>not a receiver. It doesn't have a radio tuner in it,

0:31:45.240 --> 0:31:49.000
<v Speaker 1>but otherwise behaves the way a receiver would and that

0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:53.200
<v Speaker 1>you feed your different audio components into this. It amplifies

0:31:53.280 --> 0:31:56.640
<v Speaker 1>the incoming signal and then puts that out to speakers

0:31:56.720 --> 0:32:01.640
<v Speaker 1>or headphones or whatever. It has a black front panel

0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:06.840
<v Speaker 1>on this set top type device, and the panel has

0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:09.320
<v Speaker 1>these silver and black controls on it, so you've got

0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:12.160
<v Speaker 1>knobs and dials that are all silver and then a

0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:15.360
<v Speaker 1>few switches and buttons that are in black. So black

0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:19.479
<v Speaker 1>on black it's very spinal tap. Uh. This was a

0:32:19.560 --> 0:32:23.280
<v Speaker 1>stereo system amplifier, so again part of a high end

0:32:23.440 --> 0:32:27.000
<v Speaker 1>audio system. And I've read a lot of reviews about

0:32:27.000 --> 0:32:30.240
<v Speaker 1>the a U one eleven from various audio files, and

0:32:30.320 --> 0:32:34.040
<v Speaker 1>it it almost comes across like the recruiting literature used

0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:38.000
<v Speaker 1>by cult members. No offense audio files, We y'all could

0:32:38.000 --> 0:32:41.280
<v Speaker 1>come on a little strong anyway, The a U one

0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:44.440
<v Speaker 1>eleven to this day remains a coveted piece of gear.

0:32:45.000 --> 0:32:48.800
<v Speaker 1>Typically you're looking at spending a couple of thousand dollars

0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:52.280
<v Speaker 1>and that's on one that needs you know, some some

0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:55.880
<v Speaker 1>tender love and care, some tweaks and some uh, some

0:32:56.520 --> 0:32:59.920
<v Speaker 1>maintenance to make it work at the way it's supposed to.

0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:03.200
<v Speaker 1>If you're looking for one that's in really like like

0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:09.520
<v Speaker 1>good performance condition, you're talking maybe four grand, sometimes maybe more,

0:33:10.200 --> 0:33:14.560
<v Speaker 1>depends on really the market you're looking at um. And also,

0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:16.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, I gotta keep in mind there's a limited

0:33:16.560 --> 0:33:19.320
<v Speaker 1>number of these. They're not making new ones, the ones

0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:23.400
<v Speaker 1>that exist, that's it. But they are highly valued, largely

0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:26.800
<v Speaker 1>because they are known to have an excellent ability to

0:33:26.920 --> 0:33:29.960
<v Speaker 1>boost the signal to a pretty strong one while still

0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:33.840
<v Speaker 1>maintaining a very low noise ceiling, and has the added

0:33:33.840 --> 0:33:36.240
<v Speaker 1>benefit of all these different controls that you can tweak

0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:40.200
<v Speaker 1>and work your specific audio set up so that you

0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:43.040
<v Speaker 1>can produce the most accurate replication of sound or the

0:33:43.080 --> 0:33:47.960
<v Speaker 1>best experience of sound that you can possibly manage. In

0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:51.920
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty six, San Sui got into the speaker business.

0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 1>It released the spe SP two models of speakers. Now

0:33:56.640 --> 0:34:02.520
<v Speaker 1>audio files seem to mostly dismiss Sue's speakers, so the

0:34:02.560 --> 0:34:05.640
<v Speaker 1>company was really well known for the quality of its

0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:10.080
<v Speaker 1>receivers and its amplifiers, but as for other stuff, it produced,

0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:13.840
<v Speaker 1>such as speakers and turntables and much later things like

0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:18.120
<v Speaker 1>CD players. Most of those get a resounding me from

0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:21.839
<v Speaker 1>the audio loving crowd out there. In nineteen sixty seven,

0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:24.080
<v Speaker 1>that's when we got the a U seven seven seven.

0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:28.440
<v Speaker 1>That again was the first solid state integrated amplifier. So

0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:31.600
<v Speaker 1>again a U one eleven used vacuum tubes, the a

0:34:31.760 --> 0:34:36.280
<v Speaker 1>U seven seven seven used transistors. Following the seven seven seven,

0:34:36.360 --> 0:34:38.239
<v Speaker 1>we got the a U five five and the a

0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:42.879
<v Speaker 1>U n and then a whole bunch of different amplifier

0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:46.919
<v Speaker 1>and receiver variants up. To go into all of them

0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:53.399
<v Speaker 1>would kind of be pointless. UH. They're all different amplifiers

0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:57.799
<v Speaker 1>and receivers with different UH specs to them, and the

0:34:57.840 --> 0:35:01.080
<v Speaker 1>specs start to get meaningless unless you're looking for a

0:35:01.280 --> 0:35:05.120
<v Speaker 1>particular piece of equipment in your vintage audio set up.

0:35:05.239 --> 0:35:07.239
<v Speaker 1>So I'm not going to go into all of that.

0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:10.840
<v Speaker 1>It really wouldn't be any benefit to anyone. It would

0:35:10.960 --> 0:35:13.520
<v Speaker 1>be like I was reciting numbers and figures out of

0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:17.600
<v Speaker 1>a catalog. But in the early nine seventies, San Sui

0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:22.880
<v Speaker 1>began to produce quadraphonic sound amplifiers, so stereo sound sends

0:35:23.040 --> 0:35:25.440
<v Speaker 1>separate channels to the left and right speakers, you have

0:35:25.520 --> 0:35:31.839
<v Speaker 1>two channels. Stereo Quadraphonic, as the name suggests, was meant

0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:33.959
<v Speaker 1>to do a very similar thing, except now you're talking

0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:39.800
<v Speaker 1>about four channels of audio, so four separate speakers left front,

0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:45.680
<v Speaker 1>right front, left rear, and right rear. So you could

0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:48.920
<v Speaker 1>argue really that this was an approach to surround sound.

0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:52.600
<v Speaker 1>That's kind of what it was. Now. To achieve that,

0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:57.600
<v Speaker 1>you had to follow special processes and use special electronics

0:35:58.000 --> 0:36:02.960
<v Speaker 1>to generate records, word and handle or play back the

0:36:03.040 --> 0:36:06.560
<v Speaker 1>signals in order to get this sort of effect right.

0:36:06.600 --> 0:36:10.080
<v Speaker 1>You couldn't just plug and play like you had to

0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:13.120
<v Speaker 1>specifically engineer all this in order to take advantage of it,

0:36:13.160 --> 0:36:15.759
<v Speaker 1>just as you had to do with stereo. So the

0:36:15.840 --> 0:36:19.040
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventies saw a whole lot of experimentation in this realm.

0:36:19.200 --> 0:36:22.720
<v Speaker 1>For home theater use, quadrophonic sound had actually been around

0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:27.360
<v Speaker 1>since the fifties in studios, but for home setups it

0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:30.359
<v Speaker 1>was a new thing in the seventies and we might

0:36:30.400 --> 0:36:34.360
<v Speaker 1>as well address it here. Quadrophonics didn't really succeed, largely

0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:38.800
<v Speaker 1>because there were tons of technical issues that made recording, broadcasting,

0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:44.120
<v Speaker 1>and playing quadrophonic recordings difficult. Plus there were competing formats

0:36:44.160 --> 0:36:48.759
<v Speaker 1>in encoding and decoding quadrophonic signals. Now that's not to

0:36:48.840 --> 0:36:52.360
<v Speaker 1>say that there weren't examples of quadrophonic systems. There were,

0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:56.760
<v Speaker 1>but on the whole, quadrophonic systems only saw modest success,

0:36:56.800 --> 0:36:59.160
<v Speaker 1>And that's typically gonna happen when you have lots of

0:36:59.160 --> 0:37:03.960
<v Speaker 1>different formats. Some hardware might support format number one but

0:37:04.040 --> 0:37:07.800
<v Speaker 1>not format number two. Some media might only be available

0:37:07.800 --> 0:37:10.799
<v Speaker 1>on format number two, not format number one. So you

0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:14.879
<v Speaker 1>could have a quadraphonic system, get a quadraphonic recording and

0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:19.520
<v Speaker 1>find out, oh, these are using two different encoding decoding formats,

0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:23.759
<v Speaker 1>so I can't actually get the quadraphonic experience on my

0:37:23.840 --> 0:37:27.400
<v Speaker 1>system because they aren't compatible. So the lack of a

0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:33.040
<v Speaker 1>universal standard was a real problem, and ultimately the the

0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:38.120
<v Speaker 1>the music industry as a whole moved away from quadraphonic sound. Now,

0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:41.520
<v Speaker 1>one neat thing that San Sui did was create a

0:37:41.560 --> 0:37:46.160
<v Speaker 1>quadraphonic synthesizer which could take a two channel audio source

0:37:46.280 --> 0:37:51.080
<v Speaker 1>a stereo audio source and simulate a four channel signal.

0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:53.879
<v Speaker 1>And I kind of think of this as sort of

0:37:53.920 --> 0:37:58.600
<v Speaker 1>the modern ultra high definition television UH trend we see

0:37:58.640 --> 0:38:02.560
<v Speaker 1>where like ultra high definition like four KSE sets and

0:38:02.560 --> 0:38:06.600
<v Speaker 1>stuff up scales images from lower resolutions so that they

0:38:06.680 --> 0:38:10.319
<v Speaker 1>look better on an ultra high res screen. We're kind

0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:13.040
<v Speaker 1>of talking about the same kind of process back in

0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:16.520
<v Speaker 1>the day with san Sui, except obviously it's a different medium, right,

0:38:16.520 --> 0:38:21.160
<v Speaker 1>We're not talking about visuals like a high resolution screen.

0:38:21.200 --> 0:38:23.880
<v Speaker 1>We're talking about audio. But yeah, it's kind of the

0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:27.600
<v Speaker 1>same idea. We take this stereo input and we produce

0:38:27.719 --> 0:38:31.719
<v Speaker 1>a quadraphonic output that just thinks. I think it's kind

0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:34.040
<v Speaker 1>of cool. I don't know what it sounded like or

0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:36.920
<v Speaker 1>how effective it was because I've never experienced it, but

0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:41.400
<v Speaker 1>I think it's a neat idea. So in nineteen seventy four, Kikuchi,

0:38:41.520 --> 0:38:46.560
<v Speaker 1>the founder of san Sui, retired. Kinzo Fujiwara became the

0:38:46.640 --> 0:38:50.160
<v Speaker 1>new president of the company, and while Kikuchi oversaw san

0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Sui during its early days, it's expansion, the development of

0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:57.240
<v Speaker 1>the AU one eleven, and kind of cementing san Sui

0:38:57.520 --> 0:39:03.919
<v Speaker 1>as a go to in high fidelity audio equipment. Fujiwara

0:39:04.120 --> 0:39:08.400
<v Speaker 1>would lead during a tumultuous era in which various audio

0:39:08.600 --> 0:39:11.440
<v Speaker 1>companies were really competing in the high fi space, and

0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:15.799
<v Speaker 1>then things took a dramatic turn for the company. So

0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:18.640
<v Speaker 1>one thing San Suey did was it introduced a whole

0:39:18.640 --> 0:39:22.120
<v Speaker 1>bunch of different circuit designs that it patented in the

0:39:22.200 --> 0:39:26.360
<v Speaker 1>late seventies and early eighties, all really in an effort

0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:30.279
<v Speaker 1>to create more powerful and more accurate amplifiers and receivers.

0:39:30.800 --> 0:39:35.200
<v Speaker 1>So the idea was the circuit designs would allow for

0:39:35.480 --> 0:39:39.360
<v Speaker 1>even less noise to come through while you're boosting the signal.

0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:42.719
<v Speaker 1>That really was the goal. So there's no need to

0:39:42.719 --> 0:39:46.480
<v Speaker 1>go into each of those because uh, you know, they

0:39:46.480 --> 0:39:48.960
<v Speaker 1>were all meant to do generally the same thing. They

0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:52.080
<v Speaker 1>just did it in different ways. But one really big

0:39:52.160 --> 0:39:55.400
<v Speaker 1>change that hits San Suey came in nine eight The

0:39:55.440 --> 0:39:58.879
<v Speaker 1>company had been producing its own transformers up to that

0:39:58.960 --> 0:40:02.919
<v Speaker 1>point for the most part, anyway, and many felt that

0:40:03.040 --> 0:40:08.279
<v Speaker 1>the transformers San Sui was making were contributing a great

0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:11.360
<v Speaker 1>deal to the quality of the San Sui audio products,

0:40:11.400 --> 0:40:16.120
<v Speaker 1>the finished you know, amplifiers and receivers. But in nineteen

0:40:17.600 --> 0:40:22.120
<v Speaker 1>San Sui sold off its transformer technology and its transformer

0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:26.319
<v Speaker 1>business to a company called Hashimoto Electric, and a lot

0:40:26.360 --> 0:40:31.279
<v Speaker 1>of prominent San Sui engineers moved from san Sui to Hashimoto.

0:40:31.719 --> 0:40:34.920
<v Speaker 1>So arguably this was a step towards San Sui's a

0:40:35.000 --> 0:40:39.719
<v Speaker 1>ventual failure, although it's ultimate failure, like the complete disappearance

0:40:39.760 --> 0:40:43.200
<v Speaker 1>of San Sui, wouldn't happen until two thousand fourteen, but

0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:47.680
<v Speaker 1>the company itself was kind of a non player well

0:40:47.760 --> 0:40:52.440
<v Speaker 1>before the two thousand's. So let's give a quick rundown

0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:57.280
<v Speaker 1>of how things generally played out, because finding actual details

0:40:57.360 --> 0:41:00.799
<v Speaker 1>at this point became almost impossible. Bowl I found a

0:41:00.840 --> 0:41:06.319
<v Speaker 1>lot of assertions but very little hard data to be

0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:10.000
<v Speaker 1>able to explain exactly what happened with San Sui. But

0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:14.120
<v Speaker 1>I've got a big picture. So one big thing was

0:41:14.200 --> 0:41:19.239
<v Speaker 1>a global economic trend that San Sui was, you know,

0:41:19.920 --> 0:41:23.800
<v Speaker 1>affected by, and that was that the Japanese yen began

0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:28.960
<v Speaker 1>to appreciate in value against other currencies. That made the

0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:33.600
<v Speaker 1>export business in Japan a lot more difficult, particularly for

0:41:33.680 --> 0:41:37.399
<v Speaker 1>like high end luxury stuff like the equipment that San

0:41:37.480 --> 0:41:43.520
<v Speaker 1>Sui was making, because the the cost in Japan for

0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:48.400
<v Speaker 1>building this stuff was largely uh stable, so your cost

0:41:48.520 --> 0:41:51.720
<v Speaker 1>to make something ends up being about the same. However,

0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:56.919
<v Speaker 1>because of the appreciation of the Japanese yen against other currencies,

0:41:57.160 --> 0:41:59.880
<v Speaker 1>it meant that if you were exporting stuff the amount

0:41:59.920 --> 0:42:03.759
<v Speaker 1>of money you were getting back from these exports once

0:42:03.800 --> 0:42:07.480
<v Speaker 1>it converted into Japanese end, it was less because the

0:42:07.680 --> 0:42:11.680
<v Speaker 1>end's value had appreciated. So you're getting less money back

0:42:11.800 --> 0:42:14.920
<v Speaker 1>from your sales once it gets back to you because

0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:17.879
<v Speaker 1>of these these changes in the value of the end

0:42:18.000 --> 0:42:23.640
<v Speaker 1>versus other currencies. So you have you have very few options.

0:42:23.640 --> 0:42:27.400
<v Speaker 1>You could try to increase the cost the final sales

0:42:27.400 --> 0:42:30.880
<v Speaker 1>price of your of your items and your export business,

0:42:31.160 --> 0:42:33.120
<v Speaker 1>but then you might price yourself out of the market.

0:42:33.360 --> 0:42:36.200
<v Speaker 1>Right if if a two thousand dollars set is now

0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:39.520
<v Speaker 1>a ten thousand dollars set, how many people are actually

0:42:39.520 --> 0:42:41.160
<v Speaker 1>going to go out there and buy it? You know,

0:42:41.320 --> 0:42:45.240
<v Speaker 1>you are already marketing to a pretty limited customer base.

0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:49.360
<v Speaker 1>How do you manage that? So this was a big

0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:54.120
<v Speaker 1>blow to companies like san Sui. Also, there were other

0:42:54.520 --> 0:42:57.879
<v Speaker 1>companies that were competing in the space that We're doing

0:42:57.920 --> 0:43:02.799
<v Speaker 1>really well, companies like Pioneers and Sony. So that was

0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:05.120
<v Speaker 1>a big issue for San Suy was that it was

0:43:05.160 --> 0:43:08.239
<v Speaker 1>facing some pretty stiff competition from other brands. Some of

0:43:08.239 --> 0:43:11.400
<v Speaker 1>these were also dealing with the same issues. Sony in particular,

0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:14.319
<v Speaker 1>dealing with the same issue of the appreciation of the

0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:20.680
<v Speaker 1>end versus other currencies. They responded by trying to reduce

0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:25.840
<v Speaker 1>the cost of production, which meant going with cheaper components,

0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:29.000
<v Speaker 1>and this resulted in San Suy trying to produce what

0:43:29.160 --> 0:43:32.399
<v Speaker 1>some people in the audio file world referred to as

0:43:33.239 --> 0:43:38.080
<v Speaker 1>bpcs or black pieces of crap. In other words, you

0:43:38.280 --> 0:43:41.920
<v Speaker 1>they were putting out these sort of black plastic audio

0:43:42.040 --> 0:43:47.919
<v Speaker 1>components that had cheaper things in them, cheaper pieces in them,

0:43:48.560 --> 0:43:54.360
<v Speaker 1>cheaper transformers, cheaper amplifiers, cheaper transistors, and so the output,

0:43:54.560 --> 0:44:00.120
<v Speaker 1>the actual performance of these components was suffering. Sansu His

0:44:00.200 --> 0:44:03.920
<v Speaker 1>reputation took a hit and people began to kind of

0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:08.680
<v Speaker 1>migrate away from current San Sui products. They would still

0:44:08.760 --> 0:44:11.560
<v Speaker 1>go after the vintage stuff because that was still performing

0:44:11.560 --> 0:44:14.880
<v Speaker 1>really well, but the vintage stuff was that was like

0:44:14.920 --> 0:44:18.520
<v Speaker 1>an aftermarket, right, that was resell market. San Suey wasn't

0:44:18.520 --> 0:44:22.800
<v Speaker 1>making profits off of selling these things because they weren't

0:44:22.840 --> 0:44:26.200
<v Speaker 1>making them anymore. They weren't making those older models anymore,

0:44:27.080 --> 0:44:30.440
<v Speaker 1>so that was a real issue for the company. Eventually,

0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:32.799
<v Speaker 1>it got to a point where the company made the

0:44:32.840 --> 0:44:36.800
<v Speaker 1>decision to cut ties with exports because it just couldn't

0:44:36.840 --> 0:44:40.000
<v Speaker 1>make money in that market. Anymore, and they really focused

0:44:40.000 --> 0:44:44.600
<v Speaker 1>on trying to cater to the Japanese market. However, by

0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:47.080
<v Speaker 1>this point, in the late nineteen eighties and into the

0:44:47.160 --> 0:44:50.840
<v Speaker 1>nineteen nineties, we were starting to see a shift away

0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:54.839
<v Speaker 1>from high fidelity. People were starting to move off of that.

0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:59.120
<v Speaker 1>They were moving to world of convenience as opposed to fidelity.

0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:02.120
<v Speaker 1>So with the City, you're talking about these big systems

0:45:02.400 --> 0:45:05.280
<v Speaker 1>that have lots of different components, all designed to create

0:45:05.320 --> 0:45:09.719
<v Speaker 1>this ideal listening experience. But convenience is saying, you know,

0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:13.160
<v Speaker 1>listening experience is important, but wouldn't it be nice if

0:45:13.200 --> 0:45:15.640
<v Speaker 1>you could take your music with you? And that was

0:45:15.680 --> 0:45:18.040
<v Speaker 1>where we see the birth of things like cassettes and

0:45:18.400 --> 0:45:23.160
<v Speaker 1>the Sony Walkman, which really revolutionized the audio industry to

0:45:23.280 --> 0:45:26.360
<v Speaker 1>a point where audio files felt it like a stab

0:45:26.360 --> 0:45:30.080
<v Speaker 1>in the back because, yeah, you could now take your

0:45:30.120 --> 0:45:32.120
<v Speaker 1>music with you, which was convenient, you could listen to

0:45:32.120 --> 0:45:35.279
<v Speaker 1>it in ways that you never could before, but it

0:45:35.360 --> 0:45:38.120
<v Speaker 1>was had a much lower quality than what you would

0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:42.120
<v Speaker 1>get with one of these, you know, kitted out audio

0:45:42.200 --> 0:45:44.840
<v Speaker 1>systems that you would have at home. But for a

0:45:44.840 --> 0:45:47.759
<v Speaker 1>lot of people, convenience was more important and also was

0:45:48.120 --> 0:45:54.920
<v Speaker 1>considerably cheaper, and so Because of this shift in values

0:45:55.320 --> 0:46:00.080
<v Speaker 1>of what you know, the music buying public want it.

0:46:00.880 --> 0:46:03.480
<v Speaker 1>You started to see a decrease in interest in the

0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:07.239
<v Speaker 1>high fidelity audio component world, and as a result, San

0:46:07.320 --> 0:46:10.200
<v Speaker 1>Sui Star faded even more. It tried to get into

0:46:10.239 --> 0:46:13.919
<v Speaker 1>things like producing CD players and turntables and stuff, but

0:46:15.000 --> 0:46:17.479
<v Speaker 1>often it was very late to the game and it

0:46:17.560 --> 0:46:22.080
<v Speaker 1>was not marketed very effectively. At some point, and I

0:46:22.120 --> 0:46:26.440
<v Speaker 1>could not find a definitive answer as to win, the

0:46:26.520 --> 0:46:32.400
<v Speaker 1>company ended up selling it's it's brand name to other entities.

0:46:33.000 --> 0:46:37.520
<v Speaker 1>I believe currently a Chinese company owns the right to

0:46:37.719 --> 0:46:41.359
<v Speaker 1>brand stuff as san Sui. The stuff that comes out

0:46:41.480 --> 0:46:44.840
<v Speaker 1>branded as san Sui has no other connection to the

0:46:44.880 --> 0:46:48.319
<v Speaker 1>actual San Sui company that we've been talking about. It

0:46:48.440 --> 0:46:51.360
<v Speaker 1>just is a brand name that has been assigned to

0:46:51.440 --> 0:46:56.000
<v Speaker 1>a product. So there was some point where that happened.

0:46:56.239 --> 0:46:59.600
<v Speaker 1>Exactly when I cannot tell you, because again I could

0:46:59.600 --> 0:47:04.200
<v Speaker 1>not find any definitive documentation, but it happened between the

0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:09.440
<v Speaker 1>nineteen nineties and two thousand fourteen. Sometime in that twenty

0:47:09.520 --> 0:47:15.960
<v Speaker 1>years span, it happened, and I don't it's very sad

0:47:16.560 --> 0:47:19.120
<v Speaker 1>for people who were fans of the San Sui brand

0:47:19.200 --> 0:47:21.640
<v Speaker 1>that this happened UH, and a lot of it. I

0:47:21.640 --> 0:47:23.960
<v Speaker 1>would argue, like, I think a lot of people could

0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:29.320
<v Speaker 1>point to Cokuchie resigning like like retiring, as being the turn.

0:47:29.960 --> 0:47:33.720
<v Speaker 1>But honestly, I think that that economic issue, the fact

0:47:33.719 --> 0:47:39.239
<v Speaker 1>that the yen's value appreciated, that was probably one of

0:47:39.280 --> 0:47:41.719
<v Speaker 1>the big big blows, and the other one being this

0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:48.239
<v Speaker 1>shift towards UH preferring convenience over to fidelity. That's a

0:47:48.280 --> 0:47:51.600
<v Speaker 1>shift that we've seen over and over again. By the way,

0:47:51.960 --> 0:47:55.960
<v Speaker 1>like the whole adoption of m P three's audio files

0:47:55.960 --> 0:47:59.279
<v Speaker 1>early in the MP three days, we're not super happy

0:47:59.280 --> 0:48:02.799
<v Speaker 1>about MP thres because the quality of the MP three

0:48:02.880 --> 0:48:05.080
<v Speaker 1>could be much lower than what you would get on

0:48:05.440 --> 0:48:10.840
<v Speaker 1>say a vinyl album that was taken from a really

0:48:10.920 --> 0:48:16.719
<v Speaker 1>pristine master recording. You could say, well, this is far

0:48:16.760 --> 0:48:19.000
<v Speaker 1>superior to what you get with an MP three, but

0:48:19.040 --> 0:48:23.279
<v Speaker 1>again MP three's far more convenient. Anyway. That is the

0:48:23.440 --> 0:48:26.279
<v Speaker 1>rise and Fall of San SUI hope you enjoyed it.

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