1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: Gus Playground. Hi, this is Budd Night, the host of 2 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: the Taking a Walk podcast series, and we are in 3 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: New York City. We're going to be taking a walk 4 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: on the Upper east Side the Carl Shears Park. Frank 5 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: Santa Padre is going to be our special guest. Frank 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: is an accomplished comedy writer known for a lot of 7 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: great work ghostwriting, but other work with many comedians, and 8 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: he's also known for being the co host of Gilbert 9 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: Godfrey's Amazing Colossal podcast. So we're going to be talking 10 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: about the late great Gilbert Gottfried as well with Frank 11 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: on this episode of the Taking a Walk podcast series. 12 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: He's taking a walk with Buds Night. All right, well, Frank, 13 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: did you bring what I asked you to bring for 14 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: this episode of Take in a Walk? What was that 15 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: I said? Bring your best personality with you? And what 16 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: did I say? You said something to the effect of, 17 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:13,480 Speaker 1: can I bring Larry Storch's personality instead? You could bring Larry. 18 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: I suppose Larry's almost one hundred? Is he really? Yeah? Yeah? Well, Frank, 19 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: thanks for joining me to Take It a Walk podcast series. 20 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: I'm really exciting. Pleasure Buzz, thanks for asking me. You 21 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 1: have a story career you want to give our audience. 22 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 1: Is it story glimpse? It's storied. Yes, you're too kind. Now, 23 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's page six New York story. 24 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: I think so, Thank god street News Remember the Street News? Yes, 25 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: I used to sell on the subway. Yeah. Well, I've 26 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: been a comedy writer since the eighties. I've written everything 27 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: a comedy writer could write. I've written award shows, talk shows, roasts, speeches, 28 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: political speeches, celebrity speeches. I wrote bubblegum cards for the 29 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: Tops Company. I wrote Garbage Pale Kid, I wrote Wacky Pecks, 30 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: I wrote bazook At Joe Comics, I wrote puppet shows, 31 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: I wrote game shows, Terrible sitcom, the Works. And now 32 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,399 Speaker 1: I'm and I've written. I've ghost written for a million comedians. 33 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: And now I am a staff writer at The View, 34 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: where I've been four or ten years at ABC. And 35 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 1: we just also wrapped the amazing Colossal podcast with the 36 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: late great Gilbert Godfrid after six hundred and sixty something episodes. 37 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: I've lost count well, but it's been a body of work. 38 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 1: We have a lot to talk about, so let's start, 39 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: first of all with the late Gilbert Godfrey and obviously 40 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: you did a lot of work with him, And how 41 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 1: did you first meet him? Oh that's a long story, 42 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: but i'll shorten it. I became a fan. I was 43 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: a kid, I was maybe eighteen or nineteen, and I 44 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: went to the comic strip just with a bunch of 45 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: friends to see comedy. And I was not aware of Gilbert. 46 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: He was not a household name, not really in movies 47 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: at that time or television. I just felt for a 48 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: second that I think maybe at that very notion you 49 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: just mentioned was cursing us from some somewhere, don't you think, Yeah, 50 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: probably I could hear it. Probably it was. It'd be 51 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: a hard voice to miss, right. I just fell in 52 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: love with his comedy. I was a kid, I was 53 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: in film school. I was a little bit of drift, 54 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: not sure what I wanted to do, and his humor, 55 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: his obscure references, everything about him spoke to me, and 56 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: I became I mentioned this at his memorial service. I 57 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: became a Gilbert groupie, and I followed him around really, 58 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: not you know, through the streets when he was doing 59 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: his laundry, but from gig to gig, from club to club. 60 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: Carolines used to have a club at the Seaport here 61 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: way downtown, and in those days he had the energy 62 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: for long sets, and he'd come and he'd do just 63 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: a wonderful ninety minute set, and I couldn't get enough 64 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: of him. I think our first official meeting was me 65 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: kind of being a fanboy and approaching him at the 66 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: bar and just talking about Baila Legosi and all the 67 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: obscure stuff that he loved to talk about. And then 68 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: the joke is, over the years, I would meet him 69 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: time and time again at functions I wrote from on 70 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: a show called Caroline's Comedy Hour, I went to a 71 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: I gave him a lift to a nostalgia convention in Burbank, 72 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: and it was like the gag on The Simpsons where 73 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: mister Burns has met Homer hundreds of times and has 74 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: no idea who he is. Every time Smithers has to explain, 75 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: that's one of your globs from seven Sector g Gilbert 76 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: never knew who the hell I was. I dined at 77 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: his house. I'd been to restaurants with him, as I said, 78 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 1: I wrote for him. I'd been on shows him've been 79 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: on talk shows with him, and I'd say, Gilbert, you 80 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 1: remember me, and he'd say, yeah, you're the guy in 81 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: the blue shirt. And he was not good at learning names, 82 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: knowing people, you know, manners, social niceties. I came to 83 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: work for a show called The Joy Behart Show on CNN, 84 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,239 Speaker 1: and then he became our kind of our Tony Randall. 85 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: He became our emergency filled in guest when somebody would 86 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: fall out at the last minute, and he came so 87 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: many times that and his wife Darah would accompany him 88 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: that eventually Dara got to know me, got to know 89 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: my name, and through his wife, he finally acknowledged after 90 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 1: twenty years of us interacting who I was and what 91 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: I did. And then I was asked by Dara and 92 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: by his agency to work on some new material with him, 93 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: which was an impossibility because Gilbert didn't do new material. 94 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: He just wouldn't know. He was still doing bits about 95 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: I'm Dickens, He's Fenster, and John Aston references from nineteen 96 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: sixty six. Of course that became that would go on 97 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: to become kind of the meat of our show, of 98 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 1: our podcast. But he didn't want to do anything material. 99 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: He didn't want to update his act. Long story short, 100 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 1: we went up spending long nights on the phone, many 101 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 1: long nights on the phone and laughing, and it formed 102 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: the basis our common love of obscure show business and 103 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: forgotten character actors and old horror movies and form the 104 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: basis of the show. His wife finally said, why don't 105 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: you guys do something with this? And podcasting was pretty 106 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: much new. It was twenty fourteen, not so new, but 107 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 1: there weren't a lot of people doing them. But do 108 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: you think Dara was just trying to get Guilbert Gilbert 109 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: out of the house. Maybe I think she was trying 110 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: to give him new business, you know, some reason for 111 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: talk shows to have him on something that they something 112 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: that he could plug, something that he could plug on 113 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: the road. And we were novices. We had no idea 114 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 1: what a podcast was. We didn't know how to turn 115 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: the mics on. We recorded them at his kitchen table, 116 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 1: and we just call people. I mentioned Larry Storch. We'd 117 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: just call Larry Storch or Adam West or did Cavit 118 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: or just pick up the phone and Robert Osborne the lady, Robert, 119 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: this is your role of Dex not Gilberts. It was 120 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: both of us, Yeah, it was both of us. We 121 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: just thought wantn't it be fun to talk to these 122 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: people about their careers. And it didn't seem like when 123 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: we did the research on the podcast landscape that anybody 124 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: was doing this show. Nobody was doing a nostalgia show. 125 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: So we thought, we'll do the Joe Franklin Show, but 126 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: with actual celebrities. Hey, right, And we did this for 127 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: a while with our friends Dave Jay Thomas and Dave 128 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: Thomas from SETV, Bob Saggitt, Artie Lang, Paul Schaeffer. Initially 129 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: it was people who were hanging around people who were 130 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: in their seventies and eighties that weren't doing that much really, 131 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: and our friends, our friends in comedy, and then it 132 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: started to get good. We started to figure out what 133 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 1: the hell we were doing, and we started attracting real 134 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: legends like Carl Reiner and Norman Lear and Dick Van Dyke, 135 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: And at that point I realized it wasn't a lark. 136 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: It was becoming a historical document. Well because they all 137 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: knew it was a labor of love, I think so, 138 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: I hope so, because it sure was. You know those names, 139 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: Robert Wagner, Bruce Dern, Peter Fonda, they Joel Gray, people 140 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: like that started, Peter Bogdanovitch started giving us a bigger audience, and, 141 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: as I said, a little bit more cachet as a 142 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: as A as a historical document, which is what it was. 143 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: It became an oral history quite accidentally. You know, for us, 144 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: it was just let's do this. It's fun, let's talk 145 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: to these people. Let's tell him how much we love 146 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: them and appreciated them. Did you ever get let down 147 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: by somebody? Oh yeah, isn't that inevitable? Well, I don't. 148 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: I've been interviewing people how many years, and you're many times? Sure? Yeah, sure, 149 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: I won't name names out of respect for the but yeah, 150 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 1: I think that uh yeah, I think I think some 151 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: people were afraid of Gilbert initially, were afraid of his 152 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: reputation as kind of being an abrasive comic or a 153 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: risk taking comic, or an impolite comic. So I think 154 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: people came on with their aloins girded, and I think 155 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: other people just weren't very good interviews. But that's okay. 156 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: That may have been a failing on my part, but 157 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: we did so many of them. We just decided to, 158 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: you know, crush people with volume. We did's. As I said, well, 159 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: over six hundred shows, and I think I'm happy to 160 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: say more of them that do not disappoint. Yeah, well 161 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: it is. It is a document of history, for sure, 162 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: and that's what's so beautiful about it. But I think 163 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: the passion is there. There's no doubt that you guys, 164 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: you know, loved who you were talking to. We did. 165 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: It was driven by that. I mean, it really became 166 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: a lesson for me because in show business I spent 167 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: so many years chasing other people's projects. You know, for 168 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: years I tried to get on late night talk shows 169 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: and I went up on a daytime talk show. But 170 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: the lesson in it for me was throw your own 171 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: party in your backyard and invite people. Throw your own 172 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: cool party, as opposed to ringing the doorbell and trying 173 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 1: to get invited into other people's parties. I spent a 174 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: lot of time and a lot of energy trying to 175 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 1: get into get on the cool show, get on the 176 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: hip talk show, the or the cool sitcom, and you know, 177 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: it very cliqu ish and closed systems a lot of 178 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: the time. When we started this as a lark, and 179 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: suddenly it felt, oh my gosh, I've got my own 180 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,839 Speaker 1: talk show. I can pick up the phone and call 181 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:33,319 Speaker 1: any of these people, paton Oswalt and Matthew Broderick and 182 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: Jim Gaffigan and and any of the and Richard Donner 183 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: and Peter Bogdanovitch and any of these people. And so 184 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: it was a real lesson in doing your own thing, 185 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: following your own passion, and it was always shriven by passion. 186 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: Any money that we made from the show was really 187 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: just a pleasant surprise, right, you know when it started 188 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,199 Speaker 1: to become popular and then we got on serious XM 189 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 1: and the audience, but it was really just done out 190 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: of love. It was just a big valentine to the 191 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: people we loved as kids. Well, I want to go 192 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: back to the Joy Bayhart show, which you mentioned, and 193 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 1: I was fortunate to be friends with the late j Thomas. 194 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: Oh wasn't Jay Gray? Oh my god, one of our 195 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: early episodes as a seaplane. Yeah, that's throwing going to 196 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: throw your audio out of whack right here. I'll let's 197 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: let it go right there. Look of that. Wow. Should 198 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:36,839 Speaker 1: we explain to your audience that we're standing along the 199 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 1: East River? Yeah, paint the picture first before we get bad. 200 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: I mentioned, yes already, we're in cal shirts Park on 201 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: the Upper East Side of Manhattan, which is a fourteen 202 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: acre park that most New Yorkers don't take advantage of 203 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: it and should. The home of Gracie Mansion, which is 204 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: right over which we're about to walk up to. Yeah, 205 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: or the mayor's official residence. I'm not sure the new 206 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: mayor actually lives in there, but somebody does. But somebody does. 207 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: But back to Jay on the Joy Bayard Show. Jay 208 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: and I happened to be hanging out on an afternoon, 209 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: you know, some weekday afternoon and having a bunch of 210 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: laughs and he said, oh, you got to come over 211 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: to the show, and I said, well, of course. And 212 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: it was this really unique group of people that happened 213 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: to be there. The one that stands out I was 214 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: just in awe that she was she was a guest 215 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: on that particular show, was Sandra Bernhardt. Oh yeah, you know, 216 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: it's just like in one of the greatest movies ever, 217 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: Comedy Gilbert. Gilbert and I were honored to introduce that 218 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: movie down at the film for him a couple of 219 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: years ago. Yeah. Yeah, a big fan of it. So 220 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: how are you personally, you know, coping with you know, 221 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: the loss of your friend Gilbert. Well, it's a big loss, 222 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: you know. In addition to missing him, I'm missing the show. 223 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: I'm missing what we created together. I'm missing that, that 224 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 1: energy and that you know it was. It was a 225 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: party every week, and I loved I loved being in 226 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: the room. I love the energy of it. I loved 227 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: getting the opportunity to tell these people how thankful we 228 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: were for their work. So I miss that, and I'm 229 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: trying to think of what I'll do next. But I do. 230 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: I do miss him. I mean I don't get to 231 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: get on the phone and talk about Red Skelton's porn 232 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:40,679 Speaker 1: collection with anybody, or Bud Abbott's porn collection for that matter. 233 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: For that matter, this is this is authentic New York 234 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,199 Speaker 1: right here, pitt cooing, pigeons, barking dogs. I know we'll 235 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: go the other okay, the other way, but this is 236 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: live audio, folks. I know that's what people. People sometimes 237 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: don't believe that we're actually walking, and they say, well, 238 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: I heard this noise or it sounded like you were 239 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: huffing and puffing because we were walking walking. We're actually 240 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: walking biking. We're walking, We're walking off pavement, we should 241 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: point out. But it's a beautiful day here in New York, 242 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: and it's the Upper East Side and or in the 243 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: East eighties, which is very cool. It's a beautiful park, 244 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: it's a dog run. There's a walk here called Finley Promenade, 245 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: which where you can walk all the way down to 246 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: the fifteen Ice Street bridge, and if you stand here 247 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: you can if you see those ferries, the view of 248 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: the bridge, it's great, Yeah, it really is. It's a 249 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: wonderful view, so beautiful part of the city. Do you 250 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 1: ever seem to, you know, as people often do after 251 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: someone passes, do you think, man, I wish I had 252 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: this one more conversation with him that they time have 253 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: and all the time, I mean, yeah, he was the 254 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: kind of guy where no matter what terrible mood or 255 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: terrible state of mind, or even a physical state he 256 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: was in or I was in, we could just pick 257 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: up the phone and talk for hours about the silliness 258 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: and he'd launch into some politically incorrect fit or imitation. 259 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: And he was special, you know, he was. He was 260 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: funny pretty much all the time. And I do I 261 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: miss his energy and I miss the immediacy of that, 262 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 1: And again I miss what we created. I think it 263 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: was there was a there was a marriage really that 264 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: that developed over the course of six hundred odd shows 265 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: and eight years. And you know the challenge of creating 266 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: chemistry that you just don't create chemistry. It doesn't just happen. 267 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: It's a magical thing, right, you were in radio a 268 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: long time. I guess you know that ours was accidental, 269 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: I think, and I think the show worked because we 270 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: were coming in it from two totally different places a 271 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: lot of the time. That somebody said, a friend of ours, 272 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: Drew Friedman said, I figured out why the show works. 273 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: You're doing two different shows simultaneously. I love that. I 274 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: was doing the Cat the Old Cavit show. I was 275 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: doing these in depth, heavily researched, respectful interviews. And Gilbert 276 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: was a lot of times doing the shock jock thing, right, 277 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: you know, he was blowing it up, but that was him. Yeah, 278 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: Matthew Broderick would walk in the room and Gilbert would say, 279 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: can I tell you? Can I curse on this show? 280 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: Of course Gilbert would say, can I tell you how 281 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: much I fucking hate Ferris Bueller's Day? And only Gilbert 282 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: could get away with that. I couldn't get away with that, 283 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: and I was, you know, mostly you know, trying to 284 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: do a respectable almost like an American Film Institute interview 285 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: with these people. I was trying to do a career 286 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: retrospective in ninety second Street, well a little bit reverent, 287 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: you know, and he was irreverent, you know. And we 288 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 1: had the great producer Irwin Winkler on the show, who 289 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: who produced wonderful movies like Raging Bull and Goodfellas in 290 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: the Rocky Series and the right stuff. All Gilbert would 291 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: ask him about were his bomps. How could you make? 292 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: They shoot horses? Don't they? What were you thinking? So 293 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: the combination of that, the dynamic of that, you know 294 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: a little like I don't know, i'd say Dick Cavin 295 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: and Howard Stern trying to host a show together a 296 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: little a little bit. The dynamic of that, I think 297 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: is one of the things that gave it its energy, 298 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 1: you know, those two things kind of clashing. Yeah, And 299 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 1: you can't just but in a beautiful way, create that. 300 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: It just go. And it's why I stroke a luck. 301 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: It's why I won't while I'll resist the temptation to 302 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: do some other version of it without him, because I 303 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:02,959 Speaker 1: you know, it's a fool's errand as far as I'm concerned, 304 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: I know it was magic. I know it was a 305 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: certain chemistry we lucked into. Well, you've had a number 306 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: of favorite guests on the show, so many so I 307 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't even know where to start, but I'll start with 308 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: one in particular, John Biner, a wonderful guy. And yeah, 309 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: I mean but he's a perfect example of a guy 310 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: who was a star and could do anything, and a 311 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 1: great comic and a great comic actor, and a great impressionist. 312 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 1: And in a little way he's been lost to time 313 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: because you know the business as well as I do, 314 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: that these people are forgotten. You know, they don't. Not 315 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: many people work consistently into their seventies and eighties, don't 316 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: have a love boat anymore, or a show that's a 317 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: vehicle for those kind of veteran stars. And that was 318 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: Gilbert's and my philosophy about the show. I bet these 319 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,719 Speaker 1: people are as good as they ever were, and if 320 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: we give them an invitation and put a mic in 321 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: front of them, I bet they'll catch fire. And John 322 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: Biner was a perfect example. He hadn't lost a step 323 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:08,239 Speaker 1: just launching it at Sullivan and Dean Martin impressions and 324 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: great Paul William's impression. And so that was another thing 325 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: that I was proud of, is that we got to 326 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: showcase these people, you know, who weren't in their heyday anymore. 327 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: But he at the height of his career, was massive, 328 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: wonderful and could do anything. It was on every television show. 329 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 1: And he had that wonderful show Bizarre with Bob Einstein, 330 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: who was another great guest, Super Dave. Oh my god, 331 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 1: tell me about him. Hilarious, arguably the funniest man that 332 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: ever lived. And he just came on, you know, and 333 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: the guests would take a different approach. You know. Sometimes 334 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: the guests were reverend and just happy to be there. 335 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: Other times they just attack us and roast us, and 336 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: Einstein decided he was going to rip us for ninety minutes, 337 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: just went at you. Oh, it's wonderful. If you haven't 338 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 1: heard that one, that's a good place to start. And 339 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: then there would be an episode that was a little 340 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: more in my wheelhouse, like because I'm an old rock 341 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: and roll fan, Neil Sidaka a real building legend, and 342 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: there's another guy that's not a household name anymore. He'd 343 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: be we're standing here on a promenade. If I stopped 344 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: the people in their twenties and thirties jogging past us, 345 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: I'm not sure they wouldn't know who Nil Sidaka is. 346 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: And he was wonderful and people forget how much that 347 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: music influenced people, including the Beatles, and he was great. 348 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: He came into the room, he hugged Gilbert like they 349 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: were old friends. He was like a long lost uncle 350 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: to us. And that was something that was lost during 351 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 1: the pandemic, was having to do the show over zoom. 352 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: We lost that intimacy. We lost a lot of that immediacy, 353 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: and that intimacy there was no replacement for it. He 354 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: came in and he sat down and we put a 355 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: keyboard in front of him and he played his hits 356 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: and told us how he wrote Laughter in the Rain 357 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: and it was a clinic. And those shows, the educational shows, 358 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,640 Speaker 1: I think are my favorites. Yeah, where you just see 359 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: the like behind the scenes. Yeah. Jimmy web two, the 360 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: great Jimmy Webb we put We told me about that, 361 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: what an influence he had on the musical spectrum. Absolutely, 362 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: and again we recorded him. We got a little at 363 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: Nutmex Studios in Midtown. We got a little keyboard. You know, 364 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: we couldn't drag a piano into these studios, but we 365 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: had little portable keyboards, and he and Gilbert sang MacArthur 366 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: Park together and it was magical in the best way 367 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: and the worst way. Yeah, And those were the shows 368 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: for me, a guy who read the top forty charts 369 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,879 Speaker 1: and obsessed about pop music and in another life I 370 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: wanted to be a songwriter. We had the Holland Brothers 371 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: on the Motown Writers forty top forty hits, yes, I 372 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: mean icons, So to talk to those people was especially 373 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: satisfying for me. We did a lot of different shows. 374 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: Some shows were historical in nature, some were just funny, 375 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: some were like roasts. There's a little bit of everything. 376 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: If you dig into that archive, and it's a vast archive. 377 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,360 Speaker 1: How much pre planning did you guys together go through him? 378 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: Almost none? Yeah, me and all consuming him out right. 379 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: So you went back and looked at, you know, the 380 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: YouTube stuff for articles. We had learned about ten or 381 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: fifteen shows in that if you're going to do a 382 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: show that long, ninety minutes and you're going to try 383 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: to get your arms around a career, like Bruce Dearns 384 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 1: or Robert Wagner's people have been working since the fifties 385 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: and the sixties steadily, or Jimmy Webb or the Holland Brothers. 386 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: You really better know your shit. Yeah. And furthermore, I 387 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: saw it as a gift to them, as a thank 388 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: you to them. We're walking in the direction I think 389 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: that's a guy I know, Oh well, right there at 390 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: the tank cup. I felt like it was a gift 391 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: to them, like it was a proper thank you at 392 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 1: them to know everything about them, because they weren't getting 393 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: paid for doing the show, and I felt like one 394 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: of the things we could give them was that thorough 395 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 1: a tribute. So I would spend days and days reading 396 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: the books, watching the movies, finding any other podcast interview 397 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 1: I could find, really going in depth, so that no 398 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: stone was unturned, you know. And Gilbert had this funny 399 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 1: thing where he would lose his track sometimes and just 400 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: stop talking, like halfway through the show. I'd say, gil 401 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: are you there, and he'd be frantically looking at some 402 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 1: his notes consisted of something he would scroll in the 403 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 1: back of a of a bus pass or a supermarket receipt. 404 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: And so I'd also have to fill a lot, so 405 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: I had a stack of cards called filler. I had 406 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: to start a stack of cards called bring Gilbert back in, 407 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: which is when the conversation started to bore him. I 408 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: would do things like Gilbert Bruce loves that movie you 409 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: Love You both Love goest to Frankenstein and he'd say, 410 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: oh really, and then he'd be He'd be back back 411 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: on it again. So there was a lot of extra maintenance. 412 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: But and the research was consuming, really consuming. It took days, 413 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: but I'm grateful. I'm glad I did it because I 414 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,719 Speaker 1: think it made better shows. My sense, though, with you 415 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: is you did the prep and immersed yourself and who 416 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 1: the next guest was going to be, and you just 417 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: wanted to know it inside out, so then you didn't 418 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: really have to script yourself. But yet it was all 419 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: coming to you where you wanted a head. Is that fair? 420 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: Did you do interviews that long on the radio? Did 421 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: do ninety interviews? Did you do those those those little 422 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: fifteen minute radio interviews you can't do generally in the 423 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 1: way radio has set out the long interviews, which is 424 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: very sad. Of course I did. At one point I 425 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: knew that if I knew everything about the person, that 426 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: I could direct the show. I could choreograph the show 427 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: through the cards as I went. I could actually move 428 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 1: them through their career in some kind of chronological order. 429 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: I could produce the show live, you know, in the moment, 430 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: And of course Gilbert would throw a grenade into that. Yeah, 431 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: you know, because I'd be going, I'd start with the 432 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,719 Speaker 1: sixties and you know, they left film school, and then 433 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: you made your first film, and then and then Gilbert 434 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: would immediately ask them a question about nineteen ninety seven, 435 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: and you know, throw everything completely off Kilder. Yeah, but again, 436 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: that was the fun of it, and that was the 437 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: fun of two different people doing two different shows at 438 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,720 Speaker 1: the same time. But I felt if I knew everything, 439 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised. I didn't want to. I didn't 440 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 1: want to. I didn't really want to learn much on 441 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: the air. Yeah, you know, I wanted to. I wanted 442 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: to say, and then this happened, and then that happened, 443 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: and then you went in this direction, and why did 444 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: you go in this direction? And sometimes they would say, 445 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: I can't believe you know that much about me, because 446 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: I had researched from forty years ago that they'd forgotten 447 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 1: that they ever said. I love it. You know, that 448 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: was fun. That was always a blast to sort of 449 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: work that parlor trick when I could, and that only 450 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: came from really really deep research. But again I always 451 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 1: saw it as a gift to them. I always saw 452 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: it as you know, the least we could do is 453 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: know everything about them. Okay, so you've bestowed on me 454 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: a terrific gift. And maybe you could tell the audience, well, 455 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: I gave you a chicken sticker, Yes, a sexy chicken sticker. 456 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: This is a chicken. This is art done by a 457 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: fabulous artist named Mark Matcho. And this is you know, 458 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: the comedian Ronnie Shell. Yes, Ronnie Shell came on the 459 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,240 Speaker 1: show and told us that the great Western actor, the 460 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: Golden Age movie actor Alan Ladd, had a sexual fetish 461 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: for chickens, which of course is the kind of cold 462 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: hard fact, the kind of unassailable truth. But did you 463 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: only find on the amazing Colossal podcast pure bullshit? But 464 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: what we went and made merch about it. So we 465 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 1: made a sexy chicken sticker, please don't sue lad family. 466 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 1: And this was and this is a magnet. This is 467 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 1: a fridge magnet with a face of Caesar Ramero and 468 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: an orange wedge. And if you're listening to this and show, 469 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: and you've ever listened to the Amazing Colossal podcast, you'll 470 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: know what that means. But it was again, and this 471 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 1: one was floated by Gilbert himself another what would they 472 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 1: call it? An urban myth, Yes, that Caesar Romero enjoyed 473 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: young males tossing orange wedges at his naked buttocks for 474 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: sexual pleasure. And so when we started to make the merch, 475 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: my wife Mike very clever wife Genevieve, said, well, we 476 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,199 Speaker 1: have to do something with the orange wedges. So we 477 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: made these and we also made little enamel pins that 478 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: are just orange wedge pins. And my buddy Mike Webber 479 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: was a screenwriter. He wrote the movie Five Hundred Days 480 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: of Summer and the Disaster Artist. He was nominated for 481 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: the Disaster Artists. He said, I'm going to wear the 482 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: orange wedge pin on the red carpet at the Oscars, 483 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: and every official photograph of me on the red carpet, 484 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 1: we'll have the orange wedge pin on it. And I said, 485 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,479 Speaker 1: if somebody asked you, tell him you're supporting the migrant, 486 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 1: the workers, the fruit pickers. Tell him. So there you go. 487 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: So that has entered into if you go to if 488 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 1: you do a Google search for Caesar Romero, Orange or 489 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: Orange Wedge, you'll get pages that come back to us. 490 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 1: So I always said allegedly on the show to protect us, 491 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: but it's a silly thing. Of course it isn't true. 492 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: But we had a lot of fun with it. How 493 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: much allegedly did you talk about the prowess that Milton 494 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: Burrough had That came up quite a bit, so to speak, 495 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: do you edit the show? Try not to, Okay, because 496 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: this is my co writer at ABC sitting on the 497 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: park back. Oh my god, Yeah, you want to say 498 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: hi to a well unless he feels shanghaied. But like that, 499 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: he suddenly to you. My co writer at the View 500 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: Folks is sitting here on the promenade on a bench 501 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: with his back to us, and he's got earphones in 502 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: and he's listening to music. I think he has earphone 503 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: and say leave him alone. We'll then to leave him 504 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: alone and not even mention his name. But you know, yeah, 505 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: Milton Berle came up a lot, I would have to think. 506 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: So the comedy writer Allen's my bell. It's an original 507 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live writer. Yes, he was on the show 508 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 1: many times, and he's one of the few people who 509 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: claims to have actually seen it, and he described it 510 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: as an anaconda. So Gilbert became obsessed with that. Again, 511 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: how could I do this podcast with anybody else? And 512 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: I know who would bring that kind of minutia and 513 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: obsession with silliness and and you know, showbiz urban myths. 514 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: I mean, it was so it became so much a 515 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: part of our brand and our identity. So that and 516 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: allegedly allegedly, but it's another that's another thing that makes 517 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: him irreplaceable as a host. But isn't it the greatest 518 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: when you just break into tears laughing with somebody like 519 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: it happened many times, Gilbert, did it happened like I 520 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: am from you recounting this as happen. Is that the 521 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: greatest gift? It is? I feel too. I feel when 522 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: he passed, I felt proud that I had some role 523 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: in putting you know, well over one thousand hours of 524 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: content of new Gilbert content out into the world, you know, 525 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: to add to his legacy. Right, that felt good. I 526 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: was glad to be able to facilitate that in any way. 527 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: And I laughed, Well, you listen to that Bob Einstein episode, 528 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: or when we interviewed Brad Garrett from Everybody Loves Her Aimon. 529 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: Those are ninety minutes of laughter, straight through authentic. There 530 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: were times when we were recording in his kitchen where 531 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: I would have to get off the mic and get 532 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: and I got on the floor because I couldn't. It's 533 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: nothing better. We had a nostalgia writer named Steve Cox, 534 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: an author on as a guest, and somehow it got 535 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: into Danny Thomas's predilections. Jerry's supposedly Jerry Cowell go into detail, 536 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: but Gilbert Gilbert launched like Gilbert launched into a Jerry 537 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: Lewis an impression of Jerry Lewis with a hooker with 538 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: a yeah. It's on the episode Steve Cox show Cox. 539 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: I lost control of the show and I went up 540 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: on the kitchen floor in a fetal position on the linoleum. 541 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: It was this in Gilbert in Gilbert's house, when in 542 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: the first twenty shows mostly we did from Gilbert's house 543 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:37,479 Speaker 1: before we kind of became legit and people engineers came 544 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: into our lives offering studio space. I think it's his 545 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: lovely wife Darak going get out of here and go 546 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: somewhere else and do this. It may have been, although 547 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: in the first twenty shows in the kitchen, she was 548 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: the engineer. She was the one sitting at the coffee 549 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: table or the or the I can't believe I just 550 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: said coffee table. That's a reference to something I said before. Indirectly, 551 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: she was the one that sat there and set up 552 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: the Mike's Jay Thomas, in fact, we recorded in Gilbert's kitchen. 553 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: He borrowed a pair of Gilbert's socks and when Jay 554 00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: passed away, Gilbert was pissed off that he didn't get 555 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: his socks back. So there you go. But I recommend 556 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: that episode too, Jay Thomas, that's a funny one. And 557 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: there's so many good ones. I'm so proud of so 558 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: many of them now. And to go back into the 559 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: you know, we did six hundred shows. Two hundred of 560 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: those are just me and Gilbert kind of riffing about stuff, 561 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: and probably four hundred and change our celebrity guests. But 562 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: I can't. I can't. Every time I say I'm gonna 563 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: pick a favorite, I picked thirty. So who that you 564 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: never had, that you were close to getting? So many? Yeah, 565 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: that's that's a whole other interview. I mean classic comedians 566 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: like Jack Carter and Norm Crosby. It kills me that 567 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: we didn't get them. And then there are people that 568 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: we chased forever, like George Hamilton and Richard Dreyfuss and 569 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: Alice Cooper and the great Norman Jewison. The director is 570 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: still around. It's ninety six, I think, the director of 571 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: In the Heat of the Night and Moonstruck and a 572 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: lot of other wonderful movies. So you can't get them all. 573 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people got away, But I'm 574 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: I'm really grateful for who we had and what we 575 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:25,480 Speaker 1: made of it. Did you guys make the transcripts available? 576 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: There are no transcripts, but I suppose someone could do that. 577 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: All the episodes is sitting in a drop box, and 578 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: I suppose at some point, I don't know, there's been 579 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: talk of a book with some transcripts and photos. I 580 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 1: don't know if that'll happen. You know, the wound is 581 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: still fresh, and the show just ended in April, and 582 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: we're still putting up classic shows. We're still putting advertising 583 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: on them, and they're still doing fairly well. And there's 584 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: a classic show up every Monday, which we call the 585 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: Encore Show, and there's a colossal classic every Thursday. So 586 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: we're going through the archives and distribute them and reposting 587 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: them and giving people a chance to rediscover them. So 588 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: what I love too is reading the fresh comments from 589 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: people who obviously either never wrote or just discovered the show. Right. 590 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 1: That must really be really very pleasing to you to 591 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: see those very gratifying, very gratifying. I mean, I was 592 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: very emotional after Gil passed, not only because it was 593 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: passing obviously, but because of the outpouring of love and 594 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: affection and gratitude from people, not only the guests, but 595 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: I'm still answering emails. He passed on April twelfth, I'm 596 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: still answering emails, Instagram messages, Facebook messages. They poured in, 597 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: but people who said things like the show got me 598 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 1: through surgery, the show helped me through a divorce, through depression. 599 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 1: One gentleman wrote and said his wife passed away and 600 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 1: he took his son and they got in the car 601 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: and they drove across country just listening to show after show, 602 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 1: And you know that put a price on that. I mean, 603 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,760 Speaker 1: I get choked up thinking about it. That's some silly 604 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: thing that we did as a lark mostly to amuse ourselves. 605 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: Meant so much to people. Yeah, that's so rewarding if 606 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: you're if you're in this business and you're lucky enough 607 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: to do something like that, to work on a project 608 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: the touch people that much. Yeah, I'll be answering emails, 609 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 1: letters and cards that came from I'll be I'll be 610 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 1: probably answering them. You know, through the entire summer, there 611 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: were there were thousands really, you know, wishing us well, 612 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,800 Speaker 1: thanking us for what we did, telling us what a 613 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 1: what an important document it was. And then also the 614 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: guests celebrities reaching out to me and saying that was 615 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: the best interview I ever did, and that was the 616 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: most rewarding interview I ever did. And that's that's priceless 617 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: to me. You can't you can't beat that. I'm so grateful. 618 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: Oh well, you know, it's a it's a great testament 619 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 1: to take it on a project with passion and love 620 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 1: and and it is. It is. And I would say 621 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: that to young people in the business, and it's a 622 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 1: lesson I had to learn myself. Follow your passion and 623 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: start your own thing if you can. And you know, 624 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: my wife said at the beginning of the podcast. She 625 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: left a sign in my office and it's that wonderful 626 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,760 Speaker 1: line from Field of Dreams. She left a little postcard 627 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: at my office and it said build it and they 628 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,360 Speaker 1: will come. We never knew if we were going to 629 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: have an audience. We thought, well, guys like Buzz and 630 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: I will listen, you know, til for us sitting here 631 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: interviewing ken Berry, you know, and Danny Iello and people 632 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: like that, you know, Tommy James, you know. Fans will listen, 633 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: super fans, show bus nerds will listen. Our friends at 634 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,399 Speaker 1: the Friars Club will listen. But we thought it best 635 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,840 Speaker 1: it's going to be a cult thing, and that it 636 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: resonated with so many people. I think people would write 637 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: and say, I never heard of this guest. I didn't 638 00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 1: know who this person was. But the passion and the 639 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: excitement with which you guys talked about yeah, him or her, 640 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,719 Speaker 1: I'm a fan now or I came aboard. And so 641 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 1: I think that that proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, 642 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,800 Speaker 1: that you know, do your own thing, do it with 643 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: love and people will show up. Yeah, jump off the current. 644 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,959 Speaker 1: Don't obsess about perfection, Just do it. Yeah, and don't 645 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: always be don't don't be trying to join somebody else's team. 646 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: Don't be trying to you know, hey, I wish I 647 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 1: was a you know, that was again that was my mistake. 648 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,479 Speaker 1: I wish I could be a writer on this show. 649 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: And you know, the funny thing is if I had 650 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:35,839 Speaker 1: gotten on a late night show or one of those things, 651 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have the time. I would have been slavish 652 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,320 Speaker 1: to the job and the hours, and I wouldn't be 653 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,480 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have had the opportunity to sit and interview 654 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 1: all these people myself. So the road not taken. But 655 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 1: but again that is the advice to, you know, find 656 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 1: the thing that you really really love and just and 657 00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 1: just chase it with all your heart. And I think 658 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,200 Speaker 1: you'll find that other people share that and will come 659 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 1: along for the ride. They did with us, and it 660 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 1: was really a beautiful surprise. So and here I am 661 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,800 Speaker 1: talking to you as a result. It's great advice on 662 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 1: a two hundred degree day in Manhattan, and I'm really 663 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 1: grateful that we were able to find the time to 664 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 1: take a walk. And thanks for sharing my pleasure buzz stories. 665 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: But thanks for the gift that you left us at 666 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 1: the late great, Gilbert. Thanks, thank you. Yes, yes he 667 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,719 Speaker 1: is irreplaceable and will not be forgotten anytime soon. And 668 00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 1: thanks for saying those kind things, and thanks for asking me, 669 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,319 Speaker 1: thanks for taking a while. Did we learn anything about 670 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,920 Speaker 1: Manhattan or carl Shirts Park. Yeah? I learned that it's 671 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 1: a new hideaway and it's a great walking spot. And 672 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 1: I'll coming back. Is it any time I'm gonna go 673 00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 1: say hello to my co writer. I'll bring my best 674 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,359 Speaker 1: personality when I come back. Those were authentic New York 675 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: pigeons you heard. By the way, folks, that was not 676 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:54,720 Speaker 1: fully It's not That was not adr. Thanks Frank, Thanks buzz. 677 00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk with Buzznight is available on Spoti, Apple Podcasts, 678 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts.