1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,120 Speaker 1: Third hour, Clay and Bach kicks off. Now we've got 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Dave McCormick with us. He is a US Army veteran, 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: former CEO of Bridgewater Massive Hedge Funt and he is 4 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: running for Senate and we need him. No pressure, Dave. 5 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: But I mean the future of the election and maybe 6 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: the future of the Republic rests on your ability to 7 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: win and help deliver Pennsylvania. So you know, we know 8 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: you're used to. 9 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 2: I'm ready. 10 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 3: How are you? 11 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: So? We're good? You know, we're really trying to every 12 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: day now we're an election cycle now, right, I mean 13 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: we're really feeling it's it's the election day. Feels like 14 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: it's barreling towards us, or we're barreling toward it, and 15 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: we're trying to make sure that we bring as much 16 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 1: awareness of the particular battle grounds that matter as possible. 17 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 1: We've talked to you before about the situation Pennsylvania. First off, 18 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask to get into the current news 19 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: cycle and what's going on. There are some encampments on 20 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: schools in Pennsylvania, right, some of these sort of pro 21 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: hamas encampments. Yeah, how have they been handled? And what 22 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: can you tell us about how that's going in your state. 23 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 3: Well, I think in general, it's a real disgrace that 24 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 3: these encampments persist, and it's most prominently in Pennsylvania's at 25 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 3: the University of Pennsylvania, and I visited there last week 26 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 3: last Wednesday, and you have one of these situations where 27 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 3: the administration has said very clearly what's happening is an 28 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 3: absolute violation of campus policy. We walked past these encampments. 29 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 3: We had some kids take us around. There's probably five 30 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 3: hundred kids in that encampment, they speculate only about a 31 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 3: third of them, or actually penn students. The most vile 32 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 3: things Zionism is racism, go back to Poland from the 33 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 3: river to the sea. You know, it is vicious and 34 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 3: it's really it's really intimidating to the Jewish kids and 35 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 3: other kids to walk through there. They've shut down classes. 36 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 3: It is a travesty, and there's not enough moral leadership 37 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 3: and leadership in general to get control of these things. 38 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 3: And you know what I've said publicly is, you know, 39 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 3: if you're the president of PEN, you should since they 40 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 3: shut down that encampment, if it's students of PEN, they 41 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 3: should be expelled or have a disciplinary action. If it's 42 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 3: outside agitators, they should be arrested by the police at 43 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 3: of the City of Philadelphia and get control of this 44 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 3: thing because it's just and this is not about First Amendment. 45 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,239 Speaker 3: What they're doing is completely violation of the policy and 46 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 3: goes well beyond the protections of the First Amendment by 47 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 3: inciting violence and bigoted hatred and behavior. 48 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 4: Dave, we appreciate you coming on with us. We know 49 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 4: you're all over the state of Pennsylvania campaigning. I'm assuming inflation, 50 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 4: cost of goods is still overwhelmingly what you hear about 51 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 4: the most in your experience. What are Pennsylvanians the most 52 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 4: focused on and how do you think that plays in 53 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 4: to not not only your Senate race, but also obviously 54 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 4: the presidential race, as Pennsylvania, along with Michigan and Wisconsin 55 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 4: big ten states, probably going to decide this election. 56 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the two issues of inflation and abortion. 57 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, inflation and border are the two big issues. 58 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 3: Inflation sixty percent of Pennsylvanians with paycheck to paycheck, and 59 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 3: prices for them are up twenty percent twenty one percent. 60 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 3: Real wages are only up fourteen percent, so most Pennsylvanians 61 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,119 Speaker 3: are getting squeezed on food, fuel, rent, and it's making 62 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 3: it harder and harder. And then interest payments on a 63 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 3: pickup trunk or interest payments on new house make them 64 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 3: almost twice as expensive as they were before Biden came 65 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 3: into office. And this is the direct result of President Biden, 66 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 3: and Bob Casey supported him every step of the way. 67 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 3: Voute ninety eight percent of the time with him. The 68 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 3: direct result of this excessive spending. We've had too much 69 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 3: spending from Republicans and Democrats alike, but it has gone 70 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 3: through the roof under Biden. Six trillion dollars bimental spending 71 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 3: and the war on oil and gas, and those are 72 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 3: the drivers of inflation. And the voters absolutely don't believe 73 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 3: this nonsense that Bidenomics is making their lives better. They 74 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 3: see what is doing. So that's that's issue number one. 75 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 3: A close second is the border. Ten million illegal migrants, 76 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 3: I mean, are you kidding me? The national security implications 77 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 3: of you know, one hundred and sixty people apprehended on 78 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 3: the terrorist watch list. You guys know these statistics. Those 79 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 3: are just the ones that are apprehended. And then the 80 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 3: fentanyl crisis it's a huge deal for Pennsylvania. We lost 81 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 3: four thousand Pennsylvanians last year. These cartels pushed the fentanyl, 82 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 3: and that's just in Pennsylvania. Lewis cartels pushed the fentanyl 83 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 3: across the border and it's in Pennsylvania within a couple 84 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 3: of days, and it's killing people almost one hundred thousand nationally. 85 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 3: So that issue, the border, the economic burden, the crime, 86 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 3: the national securities, and then the fentanyl. I mean, if 87 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 3: you and I, it's a three of us were sitting 88 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 3: in a room together that Dave Biden took office, we 89 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 3: could have never imagined the border would get this out 90 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 3: of control. And it's I think people look at it 91 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 3: and they see a lack of leadership in chaos. And again, 92 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 3: Bob Casey voted for sanctuary cities, voted against the wall, 93 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 3: voted against funding for border patrol, voted against the fentanyl initiative. 94 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 3: Bob Casey and Joe Biden owned this border, and I 95 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 3: think it's the second defining issue for Pennsylvanians. And I 96 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 3: think for those reasons, you know, President Trump's ahead in 97 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 3: the polls and I'm closing fast in the polls, and 98 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 3: I think people just want new leadership that can undo 99 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 3: this chaos. 100 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: We're speaking of David Cormick running for Senate in Pennsylvania 101 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: against Casey and Dave. I want to bring something to 102 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: you because we talked a little bit about the campus 103 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: situation and looking at the Pennsylvania state of play going 104 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: into the election. John Fetterman, I don't know what else 105 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: to say. We've been saying on the show, so we 106 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: have to stand behind it. He's been solid on the 107 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 1: real gaza issue. Based on everything that I've seen so far, 108 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: I know he's almost a Bernie Sanders disciple on a 109 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: bunch of other stuff. But here's here's what I'm getting at. 110 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: Are they going to play a game here with the 111 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: various you know, high level democrats in your state. You've 112 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: got the governor is what's his name, Shapiro. You've got Shapiro, 113 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,559 Speaker 1: You've got Fetterman. Are they going to do the whole Oh, 114 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: we go our own way. We're not these crazy leftist 115 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: democrats that have been running the country the last four years. 116 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: Like I just want to know if we're if you're 117 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 1: seeing that and if that's something you're trying to get 118 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: ahead of. Right where they do the head fake of well, 119 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: we're not crazy like the rest of the Democrats in Pennsylvania. 120 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually think, you know, Fednaman's a mystery to 121 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 3: me too. But but I think we're in such a crisis. 122 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 3: I think you have to just call balls and strikes. 123 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 3: And I'm sure Fetterman and I disagree on ninety percent 124 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 3: of his views, but on on this crisis with Israel, 125 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 3: what's happening in the campuses, he's been a voice of 126 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 3: clarity and moral courage, and I appreciate it. So I've 127 00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 3: said it, I've said, you know, on this John feerm 128 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 3: and I agree, and uh, I think it actually makes 129 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 3: Casey look that much weaker because here, you here, you 130 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 3: have an example of someone who is from the Democratic Party, 131 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 3: very progressive, who sees the right and wrong of this. 132 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 3: I give him, I give him all the benefit of doubt. 133 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 3: I think he really believes everything he's saying, and I 134 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 3: think he's uh, he's stepping up and saying it, where 135 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 3: Casey tries to have it both ways. Let me give 136 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 3: you an example. He says he's against anti Semitism, and 137 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 3: then he endorses Summer Lea, who is a member of 138 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 3: the squad and in explicitly anti Semitic and has been 139 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 3: associated with all these radical groups, has refused to call 140 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 3: uh October seventh, you know genocide and a and a 141 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 3: and a you know a barbaric act that it was. 142 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 3: So you can't have both ways. This is a test. 143 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 3: This is a test for these college presidents. It's a 144 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 3: test for our public officials. Are you going to call 145 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 3: balls and strikes right and wrong, good and evil? Fetterman 146 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 3: Tan's credit has been good on this. Bob Ksey not 147 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 3: so much. 148 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 4: We hear a lot about the get out the vote 149 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 4: campaign that Pennsylvania has, and one of the stats that 150 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 4: I saw and that I hammer home, half the vote 151 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 4: was in for Fetterman before they even got to the 152 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 4: debate on the ground. Are Republicans not only for your 153 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 4: campaign but also for Donald Trump's going to have a 154 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 4: ground game so far as you can tell, that is 155 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 4: competitive with what Democrats have been able to do the 156 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 4: last couple of cycles in Pennsylvania. 157 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I'd say two things. One, Pennsylvania 158 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 3: is becoming redder and redder. Pennsylvania will be a red 159 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 3: state by twenty twenty six That's the big news. In 160 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 3: twenty sixteen, there were a million more registered Democrats and Republicans. 161 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:02,719 Speaker 3: Right now, there's three hundred and ninety registered Democrats more 162 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 3: than Republicans, and by election day, I think it'll be 163 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 3: three hundred. So we are becoming reader because of some 164 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 3: of the demographic shifts, because a lot of Democrats are 165 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 3: leaving the party and becoming Republicans, working families, and so 166 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 3: we get the win that are back that way. And 167 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 3: the key is to get these voters registered and get 168 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 3: them out to vote. And there's a lot of effort 169 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 3: being put into a ground game to do that. And 170 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 3: then the second thing's mail in ballots and listen, this 171 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 3: is an area where I think we have alignment. There's 172 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 3: an outside group and a lot of efforts to bring 173 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 3: resources and focus on this. And President Trump, who has 174 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 3: been skeptical of mail in ballots, I think has essentially 175 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 3: laid out his position which he's encouraged all forms of voting, 176 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,200 Speaker 3: including mail in ballots in Pennsylvania. He recognizes that we 177 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 3: need that to win Pennsylvania. We need to close that gap. 178 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 3: We're not going to exceed the Democrats, but we need 179 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 3: to close that gap. His campaign and my campaign and 180 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 3: the RNC and all the various groups are very a 181 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 3: and working together on this, So it's a big advantage 182 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 3: the Democrats have. We're not going to fix that advantage overnight, 183 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 3: but I think we were going to have an opportunity 184 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 3: to really chip away at it. And Pennsylvan is going 185 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 3: to be you know, when President Trump wins and I win, 186 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 3: we're gonna win by a few points. So this really matters, 187 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 3: and it's part of the battle plan to change leadership 188 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 3: for our commonwealth, in our country. 189 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: Dave McCormick, everybody, Dave really appreciate you being with us. 190 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:28,400 Speaker 1: Thanks so much. 191 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 2: Oh, you guys are great. 192 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 3: Dave MCCORMICKPA dot com. Thanks for having me and hope 193 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 3: to see you soon. 194 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: Thanks someone, We will see you soon. 195 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 2: For sure. 196 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 4: I'm gonna come up there. I'm gonna find a game. 197 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 4: I'm going to campaign with you. 198 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 3: Can't wait to get up to t all right, I 199 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 3: was gonna say it. I'm ready, man, we can we 200 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 3: can find a big pen steak game. It'll be fun. 201 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 4: Yes, we're gonna do it. I promise we'll get it 202 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 4: on the schedule here coming up soon. I got to 203 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 4: figure out exactly what my responsibilities are for Big Noon 204 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 4: for the Fox pregame show, but I will know that 205 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 4: sooner rather than later, we'll figure out a game that is. 206 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 4: Dave McCormick encourage you to go check out the website, 207 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 4: get registered if you're not registered in Pennsylvania, because you've 208 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 4: got a big Senate race and the presidential race both 209 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 4: to be focused on. But I also want to tell 210 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 4: you everybody's trying to save money. 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Encourage you to check out that 240 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 4: interview in the second hour of the program about the 241 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 4: ongoing Trump trial in New York City. And I want 242 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 4: all of you to understand, first of all, Buck and 243 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 4: I have been right about almost everything having to do 244 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 4: with the entire trial process. And it's not easy because 245 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 4: there's lots of probabilities in the Trump lawfair is truly unprecedented. 246 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 4: But most people on the left, they told their audience 247 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 4: all sorts of bills of goods that have not been 248 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:12,559 Speaker 4: actually reality. They haven't come to fruition at all. And 249 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 4: what you're starting to get is even left wing audience 250 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 4: analysts are saying, Yeah, this Trump New York City case 251 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 4: is not going well, and I wanted to play a 252 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:26,719 Speaker 4: couple of more cuts for you. 253 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: Here. 254 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 4: CNN's paul A Reid saying the Stormy Daniels cross x, 255 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 4: which is still ongoing and will continue tomorrow. They're on 256 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 4: a hiatus today was devastating and eviscerating. 257 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 6: Listen, this is a devastating cross examination. They have gotten 258 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 6: Stormy Daniels to concede she hates Trump, that she has 259 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 6: said that she would dance if he went to jail, 260 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 6: and they have pointed to the fact that she has 261 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 6: said she will never pay him hundreds of thousands of 262 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 6: dollars that she owes him. They've effectively undercut her credibility 263 00:13:57,160 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 6: by getting her to talk about conversation she had that 264 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 6: teaching her with her own book. I mean, this has 265 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 6: been devastating for Stormy Daniel's credibility. But I think what 266 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 6: we should really take away from today is this is 267 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 6: a preview of what Michael Collen can look forward to. 268 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 6: This kind of sort of devastating, viscerating. 269 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 4: Cross Okay, devastating and eviscerating. They don't want to say 270 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 4: nice things about Trump. Also, this is Jonathan Turley, George 271 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 4: Washington University law professor on Fox News. 272 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 1: Now he's one of the sane ones. 273 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 4: But he's pointing out what I think is pretty significant, 274 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 4: which is, again, we had this discussion about mistrial and 275 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 4: whether Stormy Daniels should have been allowed to testify. At minimum, 276 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 4: she should not have been permitted to testify to everything 277 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 4: that she did. And Jonathan Turley is making the same 278 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 4: case that Alan Dershowitz did. 279 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 7: Listen to this, The statement of the judge that he's 280 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 7: surprised there isn't a higher number of objections from the 281 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 7: defense is baffling. The defense objected to putting her on 282 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 7: the stand. They then objected to the scope of the questioning. 283 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 7: And now the judge sounds like Claude saying, I'm shocked, 284 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 7: shocked there's a porn star in my courtroom. Well, you know, 285 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 7: if you give a lot of scope to testimony, what 286 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 7: did you expect, and the problem with what the judge 287 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 7: has done here is that this is an entirely unnecessary witness. 288 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 7: It is uncontested that there's an NDA. Whether what happened 289 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 7: in their relationship, if there was one, is immaterial to 290 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 7: how those payments were denoted by the Trump campaign. 291 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: And yet the prosecution wanted it, the judge allowed it 292 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: because the system has been corrupted against Trump, which brings 293 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: me to one of our VIPs wrote in and said, 294 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: buck Buck shouldn't be so cynical. Point to me, where 295 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 1: New York judges have shown that they are biased against Trump? Oh, 296 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: I don't know the two civil suits against Trump with 297 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: a five hundred million dollar price tag attached to them. 298 00:15:57,520 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: The whole system has been weaponized against Trump up to 299 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 1: this point. There is no reason to believe he is 300 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: getting fair process and all of his his rights. That's 301 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 1: I agree, it's been totally weaponized. 302 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 4: I will point out there has been one positive, it's 303 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 4: not a super positive. They lowered the amount of bail 304 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 4: that he was going to have to put from four 305 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 4: hundred and fifty to one hundred and seventy five, which 306 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 4: is fairly significant in that it seemed he didn't have 307 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 4: the first amount that was liquid, and he was able 308 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 4: to post the second one. 309 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: I mean, in Sulzaniedsen's Gulag Archipelago, if when they put 310 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: you into the human sewage disposal system of the Gulag system, 311 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: which is how he referred to it, if you sat 312 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: down with your initial interrogator and just signed everything and 313 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: agreed to everything, you know, you might get ten years 314 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: instead of twenty. But you're still going to the Gulag 315 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: like it doesn't really and you probably weren't going to 316 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: make it out the Here's what I think happened. 317 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 4: I think that Merchant is not very smart as a 318 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 4: trial judge, and I think that the reaction to him 319 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 4: allowing this testimony, the blowback on it has been so 320 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 4: significant that he I'm just telling. 321 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: You what blowback? What like? It's like, what are you 322 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: telling they don't care? 323 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 4: I'm telling you lawyers care way more about what other 324 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:24,439 Speaker 4: lawyers think of them than they should. 325 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: I'm the rare rowyers who apparently don't care. The judges 326 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 1: in Colorado, the prosecutors. 327 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 4: I think, I do think the judges in Colorado were 328 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 4: embarrassed and humiliated. I really do that they were overturned 329 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 4: nine to zero. When you get overturned unanimously by the 330 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 4: Supreme Court, it is like somebody walking up with a 331 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 4: silk glove and slapping you in the face. 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Not one 360 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: of them yet is officially off the table. I'd say 361 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: two of the one is happening obviously, two of the 362 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: four are highly highly highly unlikely to come to fruition 363 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 1: before the election. Clay thinks three of the four highly 364 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 1: highly like, well, the one that's going on obviously is 365 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: already happening, so he thinks three. He thinks they're over 366 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: three after this, I again would give the I mean, 367 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 1: I think it's like a ten percent or maybe a 368 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: twenty percent shot that they get this In before the election. 369 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: But I do not think this is a done deal. 370 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 1: I do think there's a very real possibility depending on 371 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: what It's all dependent on the Supreme Court. If it's 372 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: left to d C, they're gonna get it. They're gonna 373 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: get this trial started. So because Judge Chuckin wants it 374 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: to because she thinks that some of these people really 375 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: believe the future of the Republic is at stake. I 376 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: think some of them believe that anyway. Joe Scarborough, you know, 377 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: it's a good day when Scarborough is in fits of 378 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: rage at the Morning Joe Table, you know, the the 379 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 1: Morning Joe Table, very unhappy with the outcome so far 380 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: in Florida. In that case, here he is, does Joe Scarborough? 381 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: Did he? I guess he went to law school somewhere. 382 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 4: I'm literally looking that up right now, right now, because yeah, 383 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,679 Speaker 4: to see whether or not he did. He went to 384 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 4: the University of Florida for his JD. Alabama undergrad Florida 385 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 4: for his JD. So yes, so he is. 386 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: Now he is, of course now a legal expert. Anybody 387 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: who goes to law school, it's like, I don't know, 388 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: I have a political science undergrad degree, am I a 389 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 1: politics expert because of that, No, it's because of the 390 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: show here. He is very upset about it. Play it. 391 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 8: You look at what she's talking about regarding jury instructions. 392 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: Is crazy. It is crazy. 393 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 9: A twelve year old that went with her mother to 394 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 9: take a kid to court day, like, as a lawyer 395 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 9: or something would have come up with a better ruling 396 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 9: than she's come up with. 397 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: It's bizarre. 398 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 8: And I am sure that if that's appealed now that 399 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 8: there's time, the Eleventh Circuit will excoriate her again. I 400 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 8: guess she's either ill equipped, extraordinarily ill equipped, or she 401 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 8: just doesn't care what the world thinks of hers. She's 402 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 8: right now looking like everything she's doing she's doing to 403 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 8: help Donald Trump. 404 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: You know what's fascinating Clay about this. He didn't explain. 405 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: He doesn't like it. He didn't explain at all. And 406 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 1: I mean, in that clip at least, what by the way, 407 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: she went to Duke Law school or I'm sorry, graduated 408 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: from Duke and then she went to you Michigan law 409 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 1: schoo Well, oh, okay, sor right, So she's a Duke 410 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: in you Michigan law school grad And he's basically saying 411 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 1: she's too much of an idiot to understand what's going on. 412 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: But he doesn't tell us what does he think should 413 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: be different about this classified procedure, which I can tell 414 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 1: you Joe Scarborough does not know his you know, his 415 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: ass from his elbow about This is what happens. Things 416 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: get delayed because there's a right to look at the 417 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: handling of classified that was taken into as evidence. Then 418 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: there's a right to look at whether or not the 419 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: jury gets to see the classified Was it really classified? 420 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,159 Speaker 1: Was it declassified? This is how it goes. I know 421 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: he wants a rubber stamp. I know he wants the 422 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: gulag to take Trump down. Doesn't work that way necessarily, 423 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: so I Julie Kelly, Yes, you're right. And this is 424 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: one of those things that reminds me of remember back 425 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: in the day when those of you out there who 426 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: are sports fans, whenever the NCAA tournament brackets would come 427 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: out and they would rip the committee team and you 428 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: would say, Okay, who do they get it wrong on? 429 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 4: That's the act question, right, like what did they get wrong? 430 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 4: Scarborough doesn't probably have the research to actually be able 431 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 4: to explain, But I went and looked because I said, Okay, 432 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 4: what is she actually hearing? So here are the hearings 433 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 4: that she is scheduled now Buck that she feels have 434 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 4: to be resolved before they can start a trial. There 435 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 4: has to be a hearing on grand jury matters sealed 436 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 4: on Still. 437 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 1: Remember what happened here. 438 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 4: Jack Smith did the entire grand jury in DC, and 439 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 4: then he moved the grand jury case all the way 440 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 4: to South Florida and filed the charges there. So he 441 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 4: didn't start this proceeding in South Florida. Judge Cannon just 442 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 4: gets a transcript. 443 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: Dropped on her. 444 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 4: Then they have to review all to your point, on 445 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 4: these top secret issues. They have to decide what exactly 446 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 4: is going to be permissible. Then they have to decide 447 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 4: a hearing on whether there's been a selective and vindictive prosecution. 448 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 4: Then they have discovery status reports, Rule sixteen, expert disclosures 449 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 4: not all of these, and then finally partial evidentiary hearing 450 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:16,959 Speaker 4: on defendants saying that basically we have seen unfair prosecution, 451 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 4: selective prosecution. 452 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: All of this is very reasonable. 453 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 4: And when you look at it, she's got hearing scheduled 454 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 4: all the way through June twenty sixth on unresolved issues. 455 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: This is why I'm saying, like, you can look. 456 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 4: At the calendar and tell hey, this case was not 457 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 4: going to start on May twentieth. 458 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: By the way, the case is currently going on in 459 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: New York. 460 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 4: Even if she wanted to start her trial on May twentieth, 461 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 4: I don't know when this case is going to go 462 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 4: to jury in New York City. The absolute earliest she 463 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 4: probably could have started it, even if she were a 464 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 4: died in the wool anti Trump zealot like Judge Chutkin, 465 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 4: it's not probably until after July fourth. 466 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 1: So I just I don't understand. 467 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 4: This was a very eminently reasonable and predictable outcome, right, 468 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 4: And they don't seem to be able to understand that. 469 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: No, they do want it. But here's the thing they 470 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 1: do understand. It's just anybody who is in the way 471 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 1: of the Get Trump, which hunt operation, is the enemy. 472 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: Any decision, no matter how how foundational to US law 473 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 1: and do process, anything that gets in the way of 474 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,360 Speaker 1: Get Trump. They have to have the uh, you know, 475 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: the hate fest about it. It has to be oh, 476 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: you're so stupid, Oh you're such you know, an imbecile. 477 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: And they can't explain this beyond this sort of two 478 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: minutes hate that you get on MSNBC. It's just, oh, 479 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: you know, we want more bad things for Trump. You 480 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: didn't do that, You're an idiot. They want judges and 481 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: prosecutors who are all in on this. I mean they 482 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: really they do kind of want a modern Gulag prosecution system. 483 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: I mean they want this to just be Trump is done, 484 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: he has no rights, destroy him. And it's very unsettling. 485 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 1: I think to anybody who still has their wits about 486 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: them that there are so many people on the left, 487 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,400 Speaker 1: there's so many Democrats who take that view. 488 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 4: We're going to have, I think worst case scenario for 489 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 4: Trump whenever this decision comes down, this case is completed. 490 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 4: I haven't heard anybody really kind of give us a 491 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 4: sense for how much longer the New York City case goes. 492 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 4: I don't know how many more witnesses they'll have. I 493 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 4: don't know how long cross X will go. We're in 494 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 4: week four, I believe, am I correct in that that 495 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 4: this is the fourth week that they've been doing the 496 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 4: Trump trial. If I remember correctly, I think that's accurate. 497 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 4: And then the jury gets obviously the time to make 498 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 4: their decision. We'll see how long that takes. They're taking 499 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 4: Wednesday off every time they can. I just I think 500 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 4: that they really thought we're going to have Trump in 501 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 4: trial March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, 502 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 4: and he's not going to be able to move about, 503 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 4: and instead, this case is probably likely to be over 504 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 4: sometime around July fourth, would be my guess, meaning the 505 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 4: New York City case, and then Trump's free unless and 506 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 4: this is the thing that I worry about, unless they 507 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 4: recognize that no other cases are going to happen, and 508 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 4: they decide to try to accelerate the punishment to Trump 509 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 4: in New York City. This is what I actually think 510 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 4: is more likely. 511 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: Buck. 512 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 4: I think if they get a conviction, it's more likely 513 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 4: that they come back in September and try to actually 514 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 4: put him in jail, because that's when they'll know, hey, 515 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 4: we're not going to get another bite at the criminal apple. 516 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 4: That's when I can see Judge Merchand deciding, Okay, this 517 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 4: is all we got, Alvin Bragg deciding this is all 518 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 4: we got. That's the acceleration of the lawfare. Let's try 519 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 4: to actually put him in prison to keep him off 520 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 4: the campaign. Trail or put him under house arrest so 521 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 4: that he can't be traveling around doing rallies and trying 522 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 4: to win the battleground states of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. 523 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 4: That's what my fear would be as I kind of 524 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 4: break all this down. 525 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: We'll come back. We'll take some of your calls. 526 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 4: We've got a great call at Panama, still waiting, really 527 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 4: interesting take that he wants to weigh in, and we'll 528 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 4: react to that in more. 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Episodes drop Sundays at noon Eastern. 548 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 5: Find it on the free iHeartRadio app or wherever you 549 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 5: get your podcasts. 550 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 4: Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton Show. Finishing off 551 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 4: the Wednesday edition of the program, Warrence the Lawyer in Panama. 552 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 4: I appreciate you hanging on. You said you are sitting 553 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 4: in Panama looking out over beautiful terrain, Describe it for 554 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 4: us and then drive dive into your legal theory. 555 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: Here. 556 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 2: Hey guys, I am sitting on my deck in the 557 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 2: most beautiful place in the planet. I got every type 558 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 2: of hibiscus, and let's see. I'm looking at my mango tree, 559 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 2: my avocado tree. I'm looking at a volcanic river as 560 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 2: it runs through my little valley. Man sitting here about 561 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 2: seventy five degrees, loving life. 562 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 3: Bro. 563 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 1: So did you retire or are you just on vacation? 564 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 2: So I retired about four years ago. Practice a criminal 565 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 2: stunts lawyer for twenty three years, just tried about every 566 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 2: type of criminal case you can think of. I've been 567 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 2: through hundreds of jurys and the like, and I learned 568 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 2: a couple As you get older as a child, or 569 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 2: you learn a couple of things. And to the young lawyers, 570 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 2: myth all the time it is just because you can 571 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 2: object to something doesn't mean that you should. And when 572 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 2: the second rules that applause in this case is when 573 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 2: the posting side puts up a complete moron, you let 574 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 2: that joker talk. You know, they never ever ever help 575 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 2: the prosecutor's case. So in this case, you know, even 576 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 2: though some of the you know, embarrassing things she has 577 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 2: had to say about Trump was let in and may 578 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 2: not have been properly objected to by the prosecution. I 579 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 2: don't know, but that might not be a mistake. You know, 580 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 2: when you when you do that, it does a couple 581 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 2: of things. Number one is, you know, jury sometimes they 582 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 2: decide cases based on logic. More often than not they 583 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 2: decide cases based on their emotions. And when you got 584 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 2: somebody they don't like sitting next to you, one very 585 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 2: effective strategy can always be is make somebody the bigger boogeyman. 586 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 2: And they got someone sitting on the stand who's you know, 587 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,760 Speaker 2: admittedly good, accepts money to bid the videotape having sex, 588 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 2: took a one hundred and some thousand dollars to promise 589 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 2: not to tell, and told everybody who obviously hates the guy, 590 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 2: a guy who she went over to his hotel room 591 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 2: for no particularly good reason and demanded that she got 592 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 2: her dinner before you know everything and all the rest 593 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 2: of the details. And I can see, you know, a 594 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 2: certain segment of the jury just beside themselves on that. 595 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 2: And then when you let her go, then you get 596 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 2: to ask her all the really nice questions about you know, 597 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 2: how long she's been selling herself and how much money 598 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 2: she makes, and you know, when she starts making comparisons, well, 599 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 2: what do you have that comparative? You know that you know, 600 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 2: small compared to the other four thousand guys, and and 601 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 2: things of that nature. So I think I'm not sure 602 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 2: if that's the strategy that they're deploying, But it certainly 603 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 2: is an effective one. And you know, the more you 604 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 2: let somebody like that talk, you know, generally, you know 605 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 2: and cross you know, you don't ask open ending questions, 606 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 2: but she certainly can just you know, it's a really 607 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 2: good well and almost never broke it. But on the 608 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 2: on the prosecution side, if they're over there putting her 609 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 2: out and she's you know, you know, doing what she 610 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 2: seems to have done every time I've ever heard her speak, 611 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 2: then you know, that's a that's a second and I 612 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 2: call that second and third level trial strategy. 613 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 4: Let me ask you this quickly, this is a great call. 614 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 4: How much are your monthly expenses in Panama? 615 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 2: Well, you know, it just depends, you know, like you 616 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 2: can live very very cheaply here. In fact, the government 617 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 2: here just we just had elections on Sunday and they 618 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 2: elected a very conservative government. You know, the property is 619 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 2: a lot cheaper, but you know, if you want you know, 620 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 2: American stuff, it's more expensive because you have to pay 621 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 2: for you know, the shipping and if you want to 622 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 2: eat local and you know, take public transportation, and you know, 623 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 2: you can really live inexpensive, you know, so you know, 624 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 2: all in all, it's less. 625 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,719 Speaker 1: What's the baseline. What is right now, if you're an 626 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: American who goes to Panama and you want to live 627 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: in a nice place, nothing splashy, but a nice place, 628 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: nice food, you know, what do you think you need? 629 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 2: You know, I mean you could live. I mean you 630 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 2: could get you a nice eight hundred dollars place, and 631 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 2: you could definitely keep your groceries. You know, I go 632 00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 2: down to the local fruit market and get you know, 633 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,479 Speaker 2: all the organic or you know, vegetables. I mean, you 634 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 2: can really probably get by on two grand, you know living. 635 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna guess. I was gonna say. 636 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 1: I think probably two grand would get you pretty good, 637 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: pretty good living down there. Hey man, great call a. 638 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,240 Speaker 2: Three eight hundred. But you know, like you know, I'm retired. 639 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 2: I'm trying to, you know, trying to enjoy my time. 640 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,320 Speaker 1: Well, enjoy enjoy the h the fishing, the freedom, and 641 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 1: the great h and the great sunshine. Sir, thank you 642 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: so much for calling in and also the illegal expertise. 643 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: I appreciate that very much. Clay. By the way, there's 644 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,839 Speaker 1: another legal issue that is coming up here. H you 645 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,439 Speaker 1: mentioned before in the show Hunter Biden. You see, now 646 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: there's all this hullabaloo from federal prosecutors about Hunter Biden's 647 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: California tax fraud trial. He is uh trying to pull 648 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: a stunt, they say, to push back the June twenty 649 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: start date. Hmm. Why is he willing to do absolutely 650 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 1: anything to just delay. I mean, if he has to 651 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: fake appendicitis, I think this guy is gonna do it. 652 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: I mean, he whatever he's gotta do, he's gonna do 653 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 1: because every day that he currently delays is a day 654 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,879 Speaker 1: he doesn't have to worry about spending in a cell 655 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 1: because Daddy's gonna pardon him by Christmas time. And everybody 656 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: knows it. Everybody knows it. So I mean, if you're 657 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: a him, when I would, you know, try to get 658 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: a psychiatric delay. Like, anything you can do to delay this, 659 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: you do. It's the opposite of the Trump situation as 660 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: far as the Libs are concerned. 661 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Look, and and the reality is he even 662 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 4: if he got convicted, the sentencing would happen after November 663 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 4: fifth or whatever. I mean, Honestly, again, if we had 664 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 4: a truly honest and and and not partisan media, they 665 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,360 Speaker 4: would be grilling Biden like crazy on whether he was 666 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 4: going to pardon his son. Now he would avoid answering, 667 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 4: but they said that he's going to be in the debate. 668 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,800 Speaker 4: If I were Trump, I would hammer Biden. Why won't 669 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,399 Speaker 4: you just say that you'll let the justice system work 670 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 4: as it pertains to your son, because yeah, you know, 671 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 4: everybody knows he's going to pardon his son, and I 672 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,359 Speaker 4: don't think that'll be favorably received by independent voters. You're 673 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 4: trying to put your chief political opponent in prison for 674 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 4: the rest of his life, while simultaneously you don't trust 675 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 4: the justice system to handle your own son's actual criminal charges, 676 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,879 Speaker 4: which are not complicated. Everybody has to pay taxes. Your 677 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,479 Speaker 4: son didn't pay millions of dollars in taxes. He should 678 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 4: be in prison for you. That's not complicated. But yet 679 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 4: he won't trust the court to handle that one. But 680 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,280 Speaker 4: he thinks Trump should go away forever. It's an easy, 681 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 4: I think, infertile way to attack. We'll be back with 682 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 4: you on Thursday. Thanks for hanging with him.