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Speaker 1: Really reveale dalks.

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Speaker 2: Look at this now, tip to tip, this is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our passion. That's the spirit we bring to

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Speaker 2: this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, get yourself fired the heck up. UFC two

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Speaker 2: ninety nine this Saturday, Miami, and this is Morning Combat

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Speaker 2: back from the dead, Ready to invade your face hole

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Speaker 2: in the most consensual and gross way possible. I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: That's Luke Thomas next to me. The one two punch

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Speaker 2: that has raised many awards. Luke, is that a Sean

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Speaker 2: Price T shirt?

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Speaker 1: Who Camp's best? There? It is there?

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Speaker 2: Looks good on that washed middle aged guy who's getting

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Speaker 2: unwashed at a rapid rate right here. Hey, Mikey mor

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Speaker 2: Mile CBS Sports on the ones and twos. We told

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Speaker 2: you we'd be back more to come on our future

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Speaker 2: and it's gonna bang hard to eat. But there's so

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Speaker 2: much to talk about about two nine to nine. Here's

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Speaker 2: the first question to kick us off, Luke, is this

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Speaker 2: a better card than UFC three hundred? I gotta get

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Speaker 2: an answer from you.

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Speaker 1: Uh, it's not a better card. I don't think overall. BC.

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Speaker 1: Here's here's my view on this. It's not a better

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Speaker 1: card top to bottom. Although it's close number one, it's close,

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Speaker 1: it's very close. But I think the real kind of

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Speaker 1: difference here for me is that three hundred has an

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Speaker 1: inordinate amount of expectations. Nobody has any expectations for two

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Speaker 1: ninety nine other than it's a big market now. Didn't

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Speaker 1: used to be, but it is a big market now

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Speaker 1: in Miami, and it's a pay per view for the UFC,

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Speaker 1: So there'll be some expectations as to what the fans

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Speaker 1: view as a reasonable effort by the UFC to put

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Speaker 1: together a pay per view, But relative to what they

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Speaker 1: expect for three hundred, that's actually pretty low. So to me,

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Speaker 1: two ninety nine, if you see this makes sense BC

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Speaker 1: three hundred, there's so much scrutiny about making sure every

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Speaker 1: slot is maximized in the way that that particular slot

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Speaker 1: should be from the main event on down. Two ninety

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Speaker 1: nine feels like just a big party. It doesn't feel

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Speaker 1: like there's these grand expectations about it. But because it

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Speaker 1: is so good and it is so stacked, people have

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Speaker 1: I think very charitable, correctly but charitable view of it.

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Speaker 1: In some ways, that's a little unfair to three hundred.

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Speaker 2: Well, either way, whichever way you lean, two ninety nine

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Speaker 2: is deep. That's the call.

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Speaker 1: It's fantastic. It's it's you see, let me ask for

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Speaker 1: We always get killed for being sometimes unnecessarily negative to

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Speaker 1: the UFC. Forget about is it better than three hundred

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Speaker 1: or is it not for me? Ready? See what you

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Speaker 1: give me your grade? Here's mine. It's an A plus.

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Speaker 1: This is an A plus. I'm not saying that there

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Speaker 1: couldn't be other A pluses that you'd like more for

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Speaker 1: me as a card. This is an A plus card,

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Speaker 1: very much worth your money all the way through.

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Speaker 2: You're damned right. We got depth. We've got big time

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Speaker 2: star power in the return of the Sugar Show and

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Speaker 2: the bantamweight champion Shaan O'Malley and a bitter rematch. We've

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Speaker 2: got maybe the last ride of Dustin Pourier. We've got

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Speaker 2: there's some sleeper fights that are gonna absolutely kill the night.

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Speaker 2: We know it. Yeah, I'm talking about things like Gilbert

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Speaker 2: the marquee in these parts and I think they picked

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Speaker 2: a perfect main event, not just perfect for Miami, not

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Speaker 2: and who is the right dance partner that is going

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Speaker 2: to jack it up? Obviously Cheeto Vera versus Shan O'Malley

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Speaker 2: worth the price of admission. Heck, I thought it could

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Speaker 2: have even been the UFC three hundred main event because

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Speaker 2: of the personalities, the styles in play, and the history.

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Speaker 2: So first question to kick off to you about this

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Speaker 1: It's a little hard to make the argument outright that

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Speaker 1: does that really make him the rightful guy? Probably not,

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Speaker 1: It does not, But listen, this is not the only consideration.

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Speaker 1: But this is one that they could actually go back to.

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Speaker 1: Potentially anyway, and if the UFC is banking on a

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Speaker 2: Three and a half years since they've met the first

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Speaker 2: and he wins that fight nine out of ten times. Luke,

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Speaker 2: I doubt you're gonna fully agree with that, But are

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Speaker 2: that first fight is my real question.

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Speaker 1: I think that the general contours of what this fight

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Speaker 1: of merit to what Sean is saying, not you know,

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Speaker 1: does he win nine times at a ten. BC. I

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Speaker 1: don't know about that. I mean, that's to me a

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Speaker 1: my point, BC. What was one of the biggest storylines

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Speaker 1: coming out of that fight wasn't just from that fight.

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Speaker 1: It was that actually some other ones, but it was

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Speaker 1: It was that Sean O'Malley would did not have any durability.

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Speaker 1: He gets injured, it's easier to hurt him physically to

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Speaker 1: in deep contrast to Cheito, who is like arguably the

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Speaker 1: But dude, that story you know, if that was around

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Speaker 1: Sean O'Malley, that storyline just isn't present anymore. It's just

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Speaker 1: not there. You're just you just don't hear people after

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Speaker 1: what I mean, can you can say maybe Seana maalley

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Speaker 1: and actually since that fight, I think it'd be a

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Speaker 1: he beat him nine times out of ten? I don't know,

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Speaker 1: But is he right to look at Hey, A lot

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Speaker 2: M Yeah, and he's really really put his entire career together.

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Speaker 2: I mean you mentioned maybe Veraz, that rivalry that he's

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Speaker 2: He lost a clean decision to Jose Aldough. He lost

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Speaker 2: a split decision which seemed to be much wider when

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Speaker 2: you watched it live to Corey Sanhagen.

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Speaker 1: That's not a split decision. That was That was that

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Speaker 1: was insanity. He got He got wiped out in that fight.

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Speaker 2: I mean, no question, what would you say he has

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Speaker 2: done now at age thirty one, in the three and

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Speaker 2: We've seen highlight reel knockouts of Dominic Cruise and Frankie

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Speaker 1: Yes, there's no doubt in my mind. So just because

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Speaker 1: Sean O'Malley has made more progress in no way means

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Speaker 1: that Chitto has made none. She has made progress too.

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Speaker 1: He absolutely has gotten better. First of all, I think

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Speaker 1: he's a devastating leg kicker. I think is a very

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Speaker 1: good body attacker. But really, what's the cheeto vera magic?

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Speaker 1: It's that he is insanely durable. He has a rock

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Speaker 1: need it. That's really what Cheeto Vera excels at. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean he's necessarily the best band some weight. As

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Speaker 1: I mentioned, just a year ago, we saw Corey Sanhagen

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Speaker 1: For short. There's a lot he's doing right. But like

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Speaker 2: It's interesting to think about in the changing scheme of things,

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Speaker 2: in this great deep division.

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Speaker 1: I think at age twenty nine, he's really settling into

429
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Speaker 1: his offensive system. There are some comparisons to Connor McGregor

430
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Speaker 1: in the sense that he's a guy who manages distance

431
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Speaker 1: really well. Fantastic timing, can find the half beats in

432
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Speaker 1: between any kind of connection. You saw that with that,

433
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Speaker 1: You saw that against Alja man Sterling. Accurate, good power,

434
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Speaker 1: you know, the kind of guy who can use movement

435
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Speaker 1: and angles to create traps. Guys walk into them and

436
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Speaker 1: then he drills them. He's really really coarly quite good

437
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Speaker 1: at that. As I mentioned his takedown defense, it's not impenetrable,

438
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Speaker 1: but it's very good. His scrambling is good. He's not

439
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Speaker 1: trying to beat you with his jiu jitsu, but he's

440
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Speaker 1: trying to make your jiu jitsu very nullified. And he

441
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Speaker 1: can do it in a in a full array of ways.

442
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Speaker 1: Like he can play the game as far as he

443
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Speaker 1: needs to. And I think that, you know what, but

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Speaker 1: what sets him apart, Like, what does he do that's

445
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Speaker 1: really great? It's it's aforementioned. It's the distance management, it's

446
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Speaker 1: the timing, it's the power, it's the accuracy. If you

447
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Speaker 1: can really refine those skills and put it together in

448
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Speaker 1: a coherent striking system, which I believe that he has.

449
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Speaker 1: He's a phenomenal fainter, by the way, like he sells

450
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Speaker 1: it very well. That's hard for anyone to deal with

451
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Speaker 1: on When he's fighting on his terms, he's tough to beat.

452
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Speaker 1: He's tough to beat. You got to take him out

453
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Speaker 1: of that. He has to be tired, or he has

454
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Speaker 1: to be wrestling for really long stretches or something like that.

455
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Speaker 1: He has to be injured or something. Once he's out

456
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Speaker 1: of that system, it's a different ballgame, you know. But

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Speaker 1: in that one, he is excellent. He's very good.

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Speaker 2: He is, and it does seem to have the game

459
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Speaker 2: necessary to beat these super elite, well rounded guys because

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Speaker 2: he can hold that distance control, because he can prevent

461
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Speaker 2: the takedown, and because he does have that delivery system

462
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Speaker 2: to hit guys with strikes they don't see coming. That's

463
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Speaker 2: why this fight's so great because, as you laid out earlier,

464
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Speaker 2: Cheeto's got a chin and a half. What if he

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Speaker 2: is still there in the championship rounds. What if he's

466
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Speaker 2: not falling for the faints. What if he's taking O'Malley's

467
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Speaker 2: best shots and still coming. I hope, Luke, that we

468
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Speaker 2: find out those answers in the cage on Saturday night,

469
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Speaker 2: meaning that this one does go into rounds four or five.

470
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Speaker 2: It is in action fight and we have to see

471
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Speaker 2: O'Malley dig deep into that bag of tricks in ways

472
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Speaker 2: that he hasn't had to up to this point. Like

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Speaker 2: if he is going to be the guy that he's

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Speaker 2: looking to be, then he not only has to redeem

475
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Speaker 2: this loss to Cheeto, but we think of that often

476
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Speaker 2: as Okay, go in there and knock him out, redeem

477
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Speaker 2: it that way. I want to see him redeem it

478
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Speaker 2: in the way that you pass all the tests, because,

479
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Speaker 2: in a weird way, Cheeto's here, yes, more because of

480
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Speaker 2: their history than his spot in the rankings, but he

481
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Speaker 2: might be that perfect kryptonite opponent of durability and utter

482
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Speaker 2: violence that he can test Sean O'Malley in ways that

483
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Speaker 2: no one else in this division potentially can maybe maybe.

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Speaker 1: Styles magfights dude. I mean again, Cheeto Vera is not

485
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Speaker 1: the most qualified candidate for this moment right now. He's not.

486
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Speaker 1: But but the way in which he matches up with Sean,

487
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Speaker 1: at least we think could create for some very interesting

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Speaker 1: answers to questions that we have.

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Speaker 2: We'll see, all right, if you're Morob davos Vili and

490
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Speaker 2: you just fought, and you just scored the biggest win

491
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Speaker 2: over your career in your career in Henry Suhudo, and

492
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Speaker 2: it has been announced or at least a rumored that

493
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Speaker 2: Morob's going to show up and weigh in on just

494
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Speaker 2: a few weeks. Notice here as the backup for this

495
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Speaker 2: title fight, but he knows he's in the on deck

496
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Speaker 2: position to fight next. Luke, what are the odds here?

497
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Speaker 2: And I'm not talking about the betting odds. We already

498
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Speaker 2: laid that out. I'm talking about in the mind of

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Speaker 2: Luke Thomas, how much of a striker's chance or what

500
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Speaker 2: have you that cheato Vera is gonna end the Sugar

501
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Speaker 2: Show and welcome Morob for the for the for the

502
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Speaker 2: first title defense. Like, if you're Morob, what are you

503
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Speaker 2: thinking right now? Luke? What is Luke Thomas thinking? Can

504
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Speaker 2: cheato Vera do the impossible here a second time? I

505
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Speaker 2: don't mean impossible, but the unlikely, I guess.

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Speaker 1: I want to yeah, I want to say that this

507
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Speaker 1: is not impossible, like what Francis is trying, Like, oh,

508
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Speaker 1: I'm going to knock out Anthony Joshua in the first

509
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Speaker 1: three rounds. That that's also not impossible, but pretty goddamn close.

510
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Speaker 1: You know, this is not that this is improbable difficult,

511
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Speaker 1: but but doable. It's doable for Cheetoh. I just don't

512
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Speaker 1: think it's likely. I think it's likely that Shaun O'Malley

513
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Speaker 1: is going to get his hand raised. I wonder if

514
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Speaker 1: we might have some drama to the extent that it

515
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Speaker 1: goes long. But let's posit another scenario. We're all talking

516
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Speaker 1: about Shawn's you know, imperfections or where he's fallen short.

517
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Speaker 1: But imagine he like shines here and he puts Cheetoh away,

518
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Speaker 1: you know, which would be like historic in its own right.

519
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: That would be incredible, right. I mean, he hasn't had

520
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Speaker 1: the kind of performance like the al Jamin one was great,

521
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Speaker 1: but Al Jamain was not popular as a attraction among

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Speaker 1: the fan base, and so I think that kind of

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Speaker 1: limited what the value of that was. Cheetah was not

524
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Speaker 1: necessarily a huge star either, but to be able to

525
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Speaker 1: like put a guy away like Cheetah would be remarkable

526
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Speaker 1: for him into at twenty nine years of age, he

527
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Speaker 1: should be at the peak of his powers are pretty

528
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Speaker 1: close to it, right, So there's a lot that's on

529
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Speaker 1: the line for him there. But I do think of

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Speaker 1: all the likelihoods him getting his hand raised probably be

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Speaker 1: avid decision not stoppage is the likeliest.

532
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I like, O'Malley here in this main event, but

533
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 2: you got to see it happen. You got to see

534
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Speaker 2: him go through this test, get to the end of

535
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Speaker 2: that video game and defeat that boss. And that boss

536
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Speaker 2: is a badass for Ecuador, Luke, and he is coming on.

537
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Speaker 2: Great main event for Saturday. Can't wait. But Luke, would

538
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Speaker 2: you say the main event is the fight you are

539
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Speaker 2: most focused on heading into this card or is it

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Speaker 2: something else?

541
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Speaker 1: Again? Fight's pretty great. I mean people aren't even talking

542
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Speaker 1: about the fact this is not my answer, but people

543
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: aren't even talking about the fact that Curtis Blades is

544
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 1: fighting Jelson Elmeta on the free limbs of like just

545
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Speaker 1: shocking the depth of this card. But dude, the future

546
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Speaker 1: of Dustin Poirier and what it means for a guy

547
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Speaker 1: outside of the top ten and when was Saint Deny

548
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Speaker 1: to be fighting him is a big big deal. That

549
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Speaker 1: one you've gotta I mean, that's a twenty seven versus

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Speaker 1: what is I think it's twenty seven something like that,

551
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Speaker 1: twenty six versus thirty five. It's just a twenty fight.

552
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Speaker 2: Twenty eight year olds on a Luke who has not

553
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Speaker 2: seen defeat in five fights since his UFC debut in

554
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, when he lost the decision in Abu Dhabi.

555
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Speaker 1: Two elizu's Aleski dos Santos. But I think that was

556
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Speaker 1: up a weight class.

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Speaker 2: You did nail that. That was that was a welterweight bout,

558
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Speaker 2: and Zeleski was deducted one point in round three due

559
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Speaker 2: to a groin strike. The result was contested by Saint Denis.

560
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Speaker 2: Says Wikipedia, like since then, luke five straight wins, five

561
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 2: straight stoppages. He submitted Ismael bone Fime when he had hype,

562
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: he knocked out Thiago Moysis in matt Ravola in consecutive fights.

563
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Speaker 2: He's so coming on if you will right now. I

564
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: don't know what this tells you, but I watched the

565
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Speaker 2: full forty five minute UFC countdown show for this. They

566
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 2: showed pictures of Dustin Poorier. They mentioned him, but they

567
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: did the deep dive family camera time, get wife and kid,

568
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Speaker 2: go to the shooting range. True story, Ben Will carrying

569
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 2: in his baby to the shooting range, and they they

570
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 2: they followed him like he is the next potential big

571
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 2: thing in this star studded lightweight division and obviously a

572
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Speaker 2: guy that they can continue to make inroads building through

573
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Speaker 2: Europe and coming out of France. The only thing is, Luke,

574
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: he's fighting like an American hero and Dustin Poorier one

575
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Speaker 2: of the all time greatest fighters and seriously one of

576
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Speaker 2: the all time greatest UFC fighters to never win in

577
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Speaker 2: Undisputed Championship Yet. I don't know if the quote came

578
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Speaker 2: directly from Pourier, but I feel like this week we're

579
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Speaker 2: talking about, is this the end of the road for Poorier?

580
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 2: Almost more in some ways then BSD is even being

581
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Speaker 2: pushed as next. YOUFC pushed them a lot, like I

582
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 2: said on countdown, but like that's the central tension of

583
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 2: the matchup. Which one is more true in your eyes?

584
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 2: The idea that BSD is this irresistible force who has

585
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Speaker 2: arrived on the scene and like to Poria, is ready

586
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 2: for instant stardom. Or is it more likely and more

587
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 2: about the storyline that this great action where warrior in

588
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: Poorier is going back to the to the front lines

589
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Speaker 2: once again against the next big thing in line and

590
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Speaker 2: this could be the end. I mean, Luke, I don't

591
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Speaker 2: know how you're going to answer that, but which which

592
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: side of that coin is more pressing in your eyes

593
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Speaker 2: entering this one.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's the same coin, all right. One's one side,

595
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: one's the other. Like I see them as equally relevant.

596
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Speaker 1: I mean again, if you didn't even know anything about

597
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Speaker 1: Dustin's career, and you didn't know anything about Ben Washingtoni's career,

598
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Speaker 1: and then I just sort of read to you the

599
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Speaker 1: basic facts. It's a twenty eight versus a thirty five

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Speaker 1: year old. The thirty five year old, by the way,

601
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Speaker 1: it's at sea level, but the thirty five year old

602
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: is coming off of a head kick loss back in July,

603
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: you know, and all these other sort of factors that

604
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,719
Speaker 1: you could throw in there. You would not like his chances.

605
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: You'd be like, eh, I don't know how I feel

606
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: about this. I mean, twenty eight years old, that's when

607
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: you're beginning to end to the peak of your powers.

608
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Speaker 1: You know. The first two wins he had in the

609
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Speaker 1: UFC than he I did not find super impressive because

610
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: there was a lot of just ferocity that he has.

611
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Speaker 1: And again I was skeptical on him pretty early. I've

612
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: come around a little a lot more, I should say,

613
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Speaker 1: of late, because he still has an incredible fire in

614
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Speaker 1: his belly. But he's really beginning to put a thoughtful

615
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: game together, and man, that is just an absolutely potent

616
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Speaker 1: combo that just cannot be overlooked. So to me, this

617
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Speaker 1: is one of that. I mean, there's actually several fights

618
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Speaker 1: on the card like this BC, but this one really

619
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Speaker 1: defines generational struggle at lightweight. We all thought it was

620
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Speaker 1: gonna be the guys like Armin so you can and

621
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Speaker 1: it still might be. It still might be, but you know,

622
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Speaker 1: the we thought all the different Georgian guys who were

623
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Speaker 1: coming through and the Gamrocks and those guys are knocking

624
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Speaker 1: on the door. But here comes out of France Ben,

625
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: while Saint denis roaring through the division getting someone in

626
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Speaker 1: the top five, when he's outside of the top ten,

627
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Speaker 1: everyone kind of being okay with it, you know. And

628
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Speaker 1: for Dustin, I feel like there's a little bit of

629
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Speaker 1: echoes of Volkanovski where he got the head kit Ko

630
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Speaker 1: and came back that was much quicker, and again this

631
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Speaker 1: is the championship level he was up away class. I mean,

632
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of dissimilarities, but I just there's there's

633
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Speaker 1: shades of that that I kind of feel like about this.

634
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Speaker 1: And also, b see, this is a game we play

635
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Speaker 1: on MK, and I think it's a very valuable exercise.

636
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Speaker 1: What is the promotion trying to tell us by booking

637
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Speaker 1: a fight like this, right? What are they telling us

638
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Speaker 1: about who they think is coming, who they think is going,

639
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: who they want to prop up, who they might be

640
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: done with. What are they saying? Now? Again, you don't

641
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: want to read too much into it, but b C

642
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: this roaring Frenchman who is action fighter to the nth

643
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 1: degree against the thirty five year old coming off the

644
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: head kit Ko. They are kind of telling you what

645
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: they think.

646
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also Portier has lost two of last three

647
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: by stoppage. Obviously, that other loss to then champion Charles Olavera.

648
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: He only fought once a year each of the last

649
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 2: two years. He's thirty five. Let's be honest here, I'm

650
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 2: not asking for your prediction on this fight. But if

651
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 2: I told you I could see the future and Pooria

652
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: gets finished inside of two rounds, which would obviously catapult BSD,

653
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 2: you would probably assume that you would advise him to

654
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: walk away at that point, right.

655
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: I would? Yes, I mean, I think this is a

656
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: guy who, better than most, has been good with his money.

657
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 1: He has again say it one more time. You've never

658
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: heard of someone give you other than Colby Covington. You've

659
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: never heard someone say a bad word about the guy.

660
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: You've never seen him get in trouble, nothing been a

661
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: You know, his foundation is what we can tell Thriving.

662
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,719
Speaker 1: I don't know him as a person, but I feel like,

663
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: you know, he's got other streams of income that he's

664
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: worked on, the hot sauce and everything else. There's a

665
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: lot going right for his career. Also, we should say

666
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: something B see an interim champ finished, Eddie Alvarez, finished

667
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: Michael Chandler, finished Justin Gaechee, and then defeated and finished

668
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: two times. He beat him, finished Connor McGregor. Guys, that's

669
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: as good as a career is ever gonna get without

670
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: holding an undisputed UFC weight class title. That's as potts

671
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: as good as you're ever going to get. So he's

672
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: done a lot BC, but we're talking about a guy

673
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: who was in those kinds of fights, and now he's

674
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,479
Speaker 1: taken on someone who is twenty eight, still very much

675
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: unknown to a big portion of the American fan base. Yeah,

676
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: it's not looking great, is what I would say. It's

677
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: not looking great. Yeah.

678
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: I mean he's up there with Dan Henderson in that

679
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 2: ongoing Bride's made list of the best UFC fighters to

680
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: never win the full championship. Obviously you'd throw Fador in

681
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: there if you're talking non UFC and beyond. But I

682
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: still think he's the first Battle Hall of Famer for

683
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 2: everything he's accomplished in what he represents and how he

684
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 2: carries himself. I was starting to talk myself into the

685
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 2: idea that he was getting old a couple fights ago,

686
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 2: but you know, then I caught him out had a

687
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 2: Chandler fight, and that Chandler fight, which was absolute chaotic theater. Luke,

688
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 2: he comes out of there the last man standing, looking like,

689
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: you know, a million bucks, fighting through hell once again

690
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 2: and pulling off a gnarly win, and then he gets

691
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: early head kicked in a BMF rematch. So it's like,

692
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: what do you do here? Who is he? Where is

693
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 2: he at? When you're at that age, sometimes it can

694
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 2: be hit or miss at the highest level, and on

695
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: this fight, I do consider the highest level because BSD

696
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 2: is looking to be of that ILK. So Luke, for

697
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: Ben was st deny to become of that ILK. For

698
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 2: him to literally catapult himself into the top ten of

699
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: this division start knocking on the title door. Does his

700
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 2: game have to raise it to another level in this

701
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 2: matchup or do you think what he's shown in this

702
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 2: five fight win streak is potential to be a handful

703
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 2: for aging Pourier should be?

704
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean again, the times that I had a

705
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: little bit of skepticism is he was still really raw,

706
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: you know, and again he has just in I mean

707
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: I've said this before. Just pay attention when he scrambles,

708
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: like in the Fravola fight. You can go back and

709
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: watch it for as long as it was. Pay attention

710
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: to his scrambling. I mean, the instant he gets an underhook,

711
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 1: he's moving. I don't know how to explain this to folks,

712
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: but there's a lot of people that are just not

713
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: like that at all, who don't have this kind of

714
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: absolute fearlessness to you know, every one of these positions

715
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: is a conflict. He has unrelenting commitment to fighting through

716
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: these conflicts piece by piece by piece, and like with

717
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: no hesitation whatsoever. I mean that can wear on a

718
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: guy that is. It tells you a lot about his

719
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: fighting spirit. I mean, there's so much to it, but

720
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: he was kind of raw for my taste. I didn't

721
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: really love how defensively irresponsible at times he could be.

722
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: And he's really cleaned that up. And that's not to

723
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: say there's not any concerns, but it's not what it

724
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: was a few years ago. It's much much better. And

725
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: so what I would say to this point, what does

726
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: he need to defeat Pourier. He needs to put heat

727
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: on him. He needs to absolutely melt him and make him.

728
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,439
Speaker 1: Whether Poorier is gonna be inherently I think a little

729
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,240
Speaker 1: bit defensive, but the reality is he's got big power,

730
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: he is a veteran, he is skillful. I think in

731
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: many scenarios, BSD is probably going to have to one

732
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: really just absolutely. I think standing at range for too

733
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: long with Potier is probably a mistake. So to me,

734
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see a lot of takedown attempts,

735
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: but not just that where like the takedown has fought off,

736
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 1: but then you're you're pounding on the guy when he's

737
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: in turtle and you have a tight waist, that kind

738
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: of thing. These like transition positions where he's leaning into

739
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: the ground upon I think there's gonna be over. I

740
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 1: think he's gonna have to use a lot of those

741
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: kind of positions to really get ahead and mix it up.

742
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: And I think BC the other part two is that

743
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: fire in his belly. It's not just useful because you know,

744
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: he can power himself for as long as the fight goes.

745
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 1: I think he might need some resiliency. Poortier might hurt him, right,

746
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: I mean that seems pretty reasonable that Poarier might be

747
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: able to find his chin a time or he's gonna

748
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: have to find a way to rally through that. So

749
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: to me, this is a real generational battle. It's a

750
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: kind of thing where one guy has more overwhelming firepower

751
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: than another guy, but the other one could sharpshoot his

752
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: wave right through and make things difficult for him. So

753
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: it's it's about finding that. But to me, I think

754
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a lot of wrestling transition positions, ground pound,

755
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: ground pound, against the wall such as you can call it.

756
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: That that kind of a thing.

757
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's look at the ads here from FanDuel minus

758
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 2: two fifteen saint any of the favorite plus one six

759
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 2: four poor seems reasonable. I do like the younger rising

760
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 2: fighter in this matchup. I didn't want that to be

761
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: the case, but when you watch the tape, Luke, you

762
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 2: start to look at where they are. This does set

763
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 2: the stage for one of my favorite tropes in MMA,

764
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: which is the aging hero to you know, turn back

765
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 2: time one more time and remind us who he is.

766
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 2: I'm cheering for Poorier in that regard, but you do

767
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 2: eventually need to see the handoff, and we've seen it

768
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 2: in the featherweight division. We might see the beginning of

769
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: it here in the lightweight division. My final question on this,

770
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 2: unless you want to regale the crowd with a pick here,

771
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 2: Luke is uh.

772
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm picking st Deny.

773
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 2: Okay, when deep when Dustin Pourier came out and did

774
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 2: the whole Hey, guys, just so you know, like this

775
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 2: fight isn't signed, and it brought up this another big debate,

776
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,439
Speaker 2: and you know is that the US he's practice blah

777
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 2: blah blah. He found a bag in that scenario, right,

778
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: Like he leveraged his position to get what he deserves.

779
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 2: This is true, right, That's where in hindsight we're going to.

780
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: Say that, Yeah, he doesn't deserve to be doing charity

781
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: for any promoter at this point, right, I think we're

782
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: past that. So if it does.

783
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 2: Oh, he helped them hostage in a way against their

784
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: own dirtiness.

785
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: It may be I think he I think he forced

786
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: their hand more than holding him hostage. I think he

787
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: forced them to act in a way that he preferred. Yeah.

788
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: Now, if you ended up finding out that it was

789
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 2: has Beulah that purchased Bloody Elbow and then fired everybody

790
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: and took down all the controversial true stories that they've

791
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 2: written on there, would you be Would you laugh a hardy.

792
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: One, Luke? That would be kind of fun if Hesbula

793
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: was like the mastermind behind the most dastardly plot in

794
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: MMA media history. Yeah, maybe there you go, There you go?

795
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 2: Hey, great card. We got to roll on here, Luke.

796
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 2: This welterweight till is what I love about UFC matchmaking, right.

797
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 2: Kevin Holland against the Bellotour debuting Michael venimpage ex belatur,

798
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 2: obviously welterweight title contender. Thought he got robbed against Logan

799
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: story he could have been an interim champion, but at

800
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 2: age thirty six, he's making the leap. I caught up

801
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 2: with him. Check that interview out. If you haven't YouTube

802
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 2: dot com since Morning Slash Morning Combat. Great chat look,

803
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 2: we have that room service diaries with him in London.

804
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 2: That was so so nice to see him get this

805
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 2: type of close up. Now. I love the pre fight

806
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 2: videos on countdown or embedded to see MVP giddy. You know,

807
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 2: he's talking about how professional the UFC machine is and

808
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: how he know he knew this moment was gonna be

809
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 2: here eventually for him in his career. Do you find

810
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 2: it interesting at all that they didn't the unembedded, They

811
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,760
Speaker 2: didn't mention the word bellatour once, nor show a picture

812
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 2: piece of video from his time there. There's a lot

813
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 2: of regional stuff there was. This man came from another organization.

814
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 2: It almost feels like an unnecessary jab, like they won

815
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 2: the war. Bellatore's barely like hanging on through PFL Now, like,

816
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 2: what are we doing here, Luke?

817
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: There's no juice to that fucking brand. I mean, how

818
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: many times do I need to say it? Their brand

819
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: is dead? That brand is super cool?

820
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 2: Can't they just say former belator Starr?

821
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: I mean, like, so I agree, I agree that at

822
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: this point it seems unnecessarily you know, stopping on their

823
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: grave at this point because it would help people to

824
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: see some of his cool. I mean the dude b see,

825
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: like seriously about this. When he shattered the forehead of

826
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 1: the of cyborg Santos Evangelista cyborg Santos, dude, I was like, legit,

827
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: worried that guy was gonna fucking die, I mean or something.

828
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know like that. I'm not and

829
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: I'm not proud that a guy suffered that kind of trauma.

830
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if you're looking for highlights, that's up there.

831
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 1: I mean that that shit went's mega viral.

832
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 2: Van Rickles fight. Look, he told me my MVP of

833
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 2: my interview that that's the ultimate highlight of what he does. Great.

834
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 2: He was basically Anderson Silva against Forts Griffin in that fight.

835
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 1: He was just yeah, moonwalk. He's saying like it would

836
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: have been nice to have that. But honestly, are they

837
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: gonna Are they gonna He's thirty six, dude, They're not

838
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: building him. I mean, his time here is limited. I

839
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:17,919
Speaker 1: don't think they care all that much in that sense either,

840
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: And I understand that well.

841
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 2: Kevin Holland's a perfect foe in the same way Cowboy

842
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 2: Seroni was the perfect foe for Eddie Alvarez's debut. Was

843
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 2: it Dan Hooker, who was Chandler's debut in the UFC.

844
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 2: It's sort of like those tough outs guys that are

845
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 2: on the verge of contention. Kevin Holland is in that space,

846
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 2: certainly in his reinvention at Welter Way to look at

847
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 2: the odds right here minus one thirty eight Kevin Holland

848
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 2: a small favorite plus one oh eight Michael venm page.

849
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 2: I got to bring to light this bet I've made here,

850
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 2: Luke with CBS Sports Senior Editor Brandon Wise, friend of

851
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 2: the program. What do you think about this bet? You

852
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 2: ready for this? Luke? Straight up? Okay, I'm picking MVP

853
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 2: to win. He's picking Holland. Loser has to buy a

854
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 2: an only Kevinioli dot com T shirt or hat and

855
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: make it their social media avatar and and and make

856
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: it their picture on Slack for a month. That's a

857
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 2: decent bet, right that is?

858
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: It seems like a highly consequential bet.

859
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,479
Speaker 2: I mean there's a lot of a lot of skin

860
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: on that Yeah, a lot of skin on that one, Luke, right,

861
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 2: loose skin. You know that's an interesting bit, right.

862
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: I don't quite get it, but yeah, fuck all that.

863
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that that's a dude, that's action I

864
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: would stay away from. I think you might have to

865
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,800
Speaker 1: get your your nermbering. I think you might need to

866
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: get your credit card ready.

867
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 2: You're nerve well, No, no rampage jokes, all right, p please, Luke,

868
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 2: not ramp page rumble dude. I can't even figure out

869
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 2: my old tired jokes all over again, Luke. I know

870
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 2: a lot of people have apprehension here, not just in

871
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 2: the stigma of a belt or fighter coming over and

872
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 2: doing it. We've seen guys do great. We've also seen

873
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 2: Will Brooks unfortunately have a tough time. But there are

874
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: a lot of people who say, man, Hollin's the wrong style,

875
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 2: wrong guy, wrong time for someone the flashy game that's

876
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 2: looking to finally come on the brightest stage and prove themselves.

877
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 2: I think that'll raise MVP to another level here. What

878
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 2: are your expectations within that? How people look at MVP

879
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: and say, hey, man, you can do that spinny shit

880
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 2: against cyborg Santos, But like, this is Kevin Holland, this

881
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 2: is the real deal, holy Field. What are your expectations

882
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 2: in whether he can raise his game here in this debut.

883
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: See here's the thing about Kevin Holland, Right, he's real talented, Like,

884
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: he's real skillful, and he's gotten better about like using

885
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: it in the thoughtful way over time. But dude, he'll

886
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: still fight down to his opponent. Do you remember he

887
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: likes to high five people and shit, and like, you know,

888
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: just kind of tries weird shit he shouldn't be trying

889
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: when he's like shoulder rolling and moving the.

890
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 2: Cast during the fights basically, Luke.

891
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He gets real chatty with everybody, and

892
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: so it's like, I think if Kevin Holland had Ben

893
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,720
Speaker 1: was Saint Denis attitude, I wouldn't have really any hesitation

894
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,919
Speaker 1: picking him, you know. Uh, but because he could fight

895
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: fucking weird. I actually I actually feel like MVP's got

896
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: a real shot here, to be honest with you. Uh, MVP,

897
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 1: remember he didn't look great against well, he looked great

898
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: early against Mike Perry, but then got outdogged late. He's

899
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: thirty six, that's not great. But you know, in his

900
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 1: comeback fight against Guichi Yamuci, he like shattered his fucking

901
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: kneecap like the most gnarly shit I've ever seen, with

902
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: not counting him shattering the skull of Cyborg Shanto, so

903
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: like that was a real nice win, which they should

904
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: have shown that one that was the one they should

905
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 1: have like gotten off the couch for. But I'm just

906
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 1: pointing out I don't think MVP has the overall skill

907
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: set that Kevin Holland does, particularly in the submission department,

908
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: Like you shouldn't lose out of the fact that he actually,

909
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: I mean remember he submitted Michael Kiassa not not too

910
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: long ago. But you fight down to competition and that

911
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: makes it to me a fifty to fifty proposition.

912
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: Really, I think that's why the odds are where they are,

913
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 2: because I fully agree with the way you laid that out.

914
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 2: Even though Kevin Holland's record can be up and down,

915
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 2: and in particular Luke, he is four and three since

916
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: moving back to Welterwait full time, and we praise him

917
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 2: for the reinvention there, but he's also taken fights last

918
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 2: minute that maybe he should have those three losses two

919
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 2: by finish. They were consecutively, one to Hams at Chamayav

920
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 2: in that last minute moment at two seventy nine, and

921
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 2: of course the Stephen Thompson when he was unable to

922
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 2: come out of the corner after four rounds. Also is

923
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 2: coming fresh off a close loss by split decision to

924
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 2: Jack Dela Madalena, who's also on this card. He does

925
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 2: play down the level of competition. He does play into

926
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 2: parts of the fights that he shouldn't in terms of bait.

927
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 2: I wonder if MVP can bait him into a flashy

928
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 2: contest of staring each other down, fainting, trying to throw shots.

929
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 2: And you know, you don't want to be in that

930
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 2: contest with MVP because that's where he lives. So to

931
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 2: neutralize that, do you see Kevin Holland exclusively shooting and

932
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 2: looking to wrestle because I could see him hanging too

933
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 2: long in the pocket Luke, and that's when you're going

934
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 2: to open up the room for MVP to do Michael

935
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 2: Van and page stuff.

936
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: Dude, there's no doubt in my mind he's going to

937
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: He's gonna slug it out with him, you know. I mean,

938
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 1: I'm not saying there will be no defense, but I'm

939
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: saying I I just don't find it likely he's gonna shoot.

940
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: You might say he should, and then he might do

941
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: well if he did. I'm just not taking that bet.

942
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: I'm not taking the bet. That or or you know,

943
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: he might shoot or something like if you're actually taking

944
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: a prop bet or something like that. But like, is

945
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: he really gonna put to what you're asking, which is

946
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: sustained wrestling offense? Like, really, this is how I'm gonna

947
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 1: fight this fight? No, I just don't believe that. I

948
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: don't believe he's gonna do that. But remember, he can,

949
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: he can punch. He's got good power, you know he's

950
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 1: got he's durable as shit, Like you know, he is tough.

951
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: He's a real tough dude. He's got dude, Kevin, I'm

952
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: gonna say it again, Kevin Holland is a skillful fighter.

953
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 1: You just don't know what kind of mental approach or

954
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: strategic approach he's gonna take fight to fight. So it

955
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 1: makes him fun, but it makes him a wild.

956
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 2: Card, absolute wildcard, and in a lot of ways, that's

957
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: that's what MVP is. A wild card. He's won a

958
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 2: lot more than he's like, right, but he can be

959
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: a wildcard too. Love this matchup. Love this for MVP's debut.

960
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 2: Let's see if he's here for a short, good time

961
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 2: Chandler esque. It's not going to be long at thirty six,

962
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 2: but he has not looked like he's slowing down up

963
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 2: to this point. We stay in the welterweight division and

964
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: this low key might be the best fight in the card. Seriously,

965
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 2: this is going to be an absolute war because Gilbert burns,

966
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 2: especially in the second half of his career when he's

967
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 2: lingering in his thirties. But he's not falling off. I

968
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 2: know he had that tough loss to blow Muhammed, which

969
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 2: he hoped was going to lift him back into the

970
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: title picture. He took it on short notice, he was injured.

971
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 2: We remember that situation. But dude, Gilbert constantly has ways

972
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 2: of reminding you how violent and viable he still is

973
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 2: at all times. Jack Della Maddalena, fresh off the split

974
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: decision win over Kevin Holland, is in his sights. The

975
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 2: twenty seven year old AUSSI sixteen and two overall has

976
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 2: not lost in six UFC fights after winning on the

977
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 2: U on the Dana White Contender Series. Luke, this matchup

978
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 2: is so good from this standpoint of who's coming or going.

979
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: Is Jack on the level to make that leap into

980
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 2: title contention? Does Gilbert still have it in the tank?

981
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 2: I think any way you look at it, we are

982
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 2: going to see action here. You talk to Gilbert Burns,

983
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 2: what can you glean from that separate from an incredible

984
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 2: story about Toporia knocking out sparring partners at Sanford, Man,

985
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 2: I mean just incredible.

986
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: K Yeah, yeah, so that aside. I mean, dude, you

987
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: know this as well as I do. BC. We've interviewed

988
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: Gilbert a couple times in person. This album was obviously

989
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: via zoom my last time talking to him. But you

990
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: know one thing I always walk away from, and I

991
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 1: know you feel the same because we've actually talked about

992
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: this previously. Dude, Gilbert is a smart guy, you know.

993
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is he tries to

994
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: really think through what problems he's up against in a

995
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: very again thoughtful way and tries to get really good

996
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: information before he makes it, sticks to it, holds to it,

997
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: and more often than not, he has a good idea

998
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: or a good plan. He's always prepared. You never see him,

999
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: you know, I'll go didn't train properly or again, like

1000
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: Dustin Poorier, Gilbert was getting into trouble out He can't.

1001
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: It's just not even a relevant consideration with him, and

1002
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: so the issues for me again, dude, ready for this one,

1003
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,720
Speaker 1: BC Jaquiel middle In a twenty seven Gilbert Burns thirty seven,

1004
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: eight ten year gap.

1005
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, welter, and that because thirty five year old Pourier

1006
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 2: who's fighting a killer and has been through wars. We're like, well,

1007
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 2: I don't know if this could be the end, dude,

1008
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 2: Gilbert Burns has been through a million wars, Luke, and

1009
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 2: he still looks the part.

1010
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: I would say though, that I don't think Gilbert has

1011
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: been through the wars like Poorier has. Like, you know,

1012
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: does Gilbert have a five round equivalent to the Hooker fight.

1013
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: I don't think that he does not a five rounder.

1014
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 2: I mean he went through he might have beaten himayav.

1015
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 2: No one talks about that.

1016
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: No one wh exactly exactly that had been a five

1017
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: round fight. If that had been a five round fight,

1018
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: that would be really close, if not worse. But it

1019
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: was only three. It was only three, so it doesn't

1020
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: it doesn't. It doesn't fill so for me, BC, like

1021
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: first of all, just that gap. I mean, but here's

1022
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: the thing, and it kind of gets back to what

1023
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Gilbert Burns had some kind of a torn

1024
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: either you know, meniscus or I'm missist, I'm sorry, I'm

1025
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 1: torn Labraham or something like that in his shoulder, and

1026
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,919
Speaker 1: rather than get surgery, he did stem cell therapy, which

1027
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 1: put him out for a while, but he was able

1028
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: to not avoid being going under the knife. And dude,

1029
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: here's the thing about Gilbert too, I asked him. He

1030
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: has measurables like VO two max and everything like what

1031
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: constitutes physical fitness. He can look at it mathematically on

1032
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: a chart because he can measure the kinds of physical

1033
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: effects that tell you where you're at. And so he

1034
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: knows if I'm hitting these marks in camp that are

1035
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 1: being measured, then I know where I'm at. Like he

1036
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: always comes in prepared. None of that really to me.

1037
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: I think Gilbert will be healthy. I think he'll be

1038
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: ready to go. He's obviously got a ton of experience.

1039
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: He can wrestle well. I mean, there's a lot you

1040
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: have to like about his game. But the reality is

1041
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: at thirty seven BC, he probably is not the same

1042
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: athlete that he once was. And Jack Dale Vantelena is

1043
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: only at this part of his athletic development and technical

1044
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: development as well. He's going to beginning. We always say

1045
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,760
Speaker 1: it twenty seven. You see these guys when they're twenty

1046
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 1: seven and they're better every single time. Eliotaporia twenty seven

1047
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: when his last fight, So to me see it's going.

1048
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: We talked about it with with Ben was Stony and

1049
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: Dustin Porgie this generational moment. Here's another one at welterweight

1050
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: where I do believe you see, we're not a title fight,

1051
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: but I do believe that Gilbert has really defied the

1052
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 1: odds of age to a pretty significant extent. But I

1053
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: wonder for we're at the end of that road a

1054
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: little bit here, where again, what is the UFC suggesting

1055
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: by booking a fight like this. Yes, they want to

1056
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: see exactly what they've got with Dyla Madalena and Gilbert

1057
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: Burns will tell you that. But I think that they

1058
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: also probably believe he's got a big, bright future and

1059
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: they want to set him up for that. We shall see.

1060
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 2: Fan Duel has Jack Dela Medlena minus one seventy four

1061
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 2: one plus one thirty six for Gilbert Burns. I again,

1062
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 2: I think there's a fools go to element if you

1063
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 2: want to focus only on Gilbert's age and the fact

1064
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,719
Speaker 2: that he's fresh off that lost to ballaal that were

1065
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 2: extenuating circumstances as you mentioned. So let's on the flip side,

1066
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 2: Luke and find out where we're at with Jack Delamettalena.

1067
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,720
Speaker 2: I mentioned the Shreek six and zero in the UFC,

1068
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 2: but coming off of two split decisions, one against Kevin

1069
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 2: holland one in what was that like a last minute situation, Luke,

1070
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 2: when he took on Basil Hafez. Before that, he had

1071
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 2: four straight finishes in his first four UFC fights, as

1072
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 2: he lived fully up to the expectations of where we

1073
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 2: put him after some of those early finishes where we

1074
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 2: said watch out for him, circle him. I know, maybe

1075
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 2: we're talking more about bo Nickel, about this prospect about

1076
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 2: Jemaia of this guy. Where does Jack Dela Madelena fit

1077
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 2: in on your radar in terms of when people are

1078
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 2: coming on? Is he coming to hell on right now?

1079
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:33,439
Speaker 2: Or do you need to see more.

1080
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 1: He has not beaten anybody like Gilbert Burns, so winning

1081
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 1: about like this even for Gilbert at thirty seven, and

1082
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: I agree with you that's that's a young ish thirty

1083
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: seven such as you can be. I do think it

1084
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: would be a major, major proving moment because we just

1085
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 1: haven't seen him beat someone of this quality and of

1086
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: this caliber. But I mean, I think a couple of

1087
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: extenuating circumstances. Number One, the Bustle Hafez fight. That dude

1088
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 1: is a tank. He was wrestling him the entire time.

1089
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: That was a last minute opponent switch who had with

1090
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: a completely different style, and he's still won Number one.

1091
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: I'll want to point that out. And I was like,

1092
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: that was like gut check shit. And he took over

1093
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: a little bit late in that one too, So that

1094
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: to me was actually kind of an impressive performance, although

1095
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: a tough one and one where he had to struggle

1096
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: at times. In the case of Kevin Holland, that was

1097
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a duel, you know, and

1098
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: he had some disadvantages physically in terms of range that

1099
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: he had to overcome. I also thought he won that

1100
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: one outright, although I do recognize that it was close.

1101
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: But like I get that he's facing adversity and you're

1102
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: seeing him struggle with some of that adversity at times.

1103
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: But the lesson I'm taking from this is every time

1104
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: he overcomes it, every time he finds a way, every

1105
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,359
Speaker 1: time he gets through it. And again at twenty seven

1106
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 1: years age, this is when he's really be going to

1107
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: begin to ramp shit up. Also, the other part of

1108
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: his game that I've noticed is the defensive responsibility has

1109
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 1: gotten better. People point to his combinations, which are good,

1110
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: and his accuracy which is good, and that all is

1111
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: very flashy and it builds highlights. But this kind of

1112
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,839
Speaker 1: newer style against Holland that you saw that kept him

1113
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: I think safer than he ordinarily had been previously, is

1114
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: not to be discarded. It's going to be very valuable

1115
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: against Gilbert Burns. So listen, I said it one more time.

1116
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: Has he beaten anyone like Burns before? No? No, this

1117
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:14,359
Speaker 1: would be his best win by a mile. But there's

1118
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 1: a lot. There's wind at his back man big time.

1119
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,439
Speaker 2: Do you see the same action potential that I see

1120
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 2: in this one?

1121
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah. I don't think it's going to

1122
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:23,879
Speaker 1: be like the Hamsaut fight, which was a balls out

1123
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: kind of a fair. But Burns, I just don't think,

1124
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: And I think he knows he can't afford win or lose.

1125
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: You know, his stock didn't drop much at all off

1126
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: on the hams Out fight. But what he can't do

1127
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: is have another I mean that performance against Ballah. Yes,

1128
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: he was injured of course, But if you have some

1129
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: other kind of lackluster fight, whether it's due to injury

1130
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: or anything else, whether that's fair, it's not. You're thirty seven,

1131
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 1: you had another fight back to back where it didn't

1132
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: look great after a long layoff. He just can't afford that.

1133
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: He cannot afford that, and so as a result, I

1134
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 1: think that they're going to mix it up heavily. At first,

1135
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, but certainly as the longer it goes,

1136
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: you're going to see them open up.

1137
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 2: I wonder though, from a standpoint, because we did identify

1138
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 2: the smart on Gilbert Burns, it sometimes can be not

1139
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 2: stated enough because we talk a lot about his action,

1140
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 2: willingness and is well around a game. But look January

1141
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 2: of twenty three, which is not long ago, he went

1142
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 2: in there against Neil Magne and put on a grappling

1143
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 2: showcase to remind us that if he wants to lean

1144
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 2: in those areas, he can absolutely dominate. Took Magni down,

1145
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 2: just controlled them, submitted him. Is there an opening there

1146
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 2: against jack Dale and met Atlanta to use that veteran

1147
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 2: skill set the same way Glover to Shera was able

1148
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 2: to extend his career by leaning on the fundamentals.

1149
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: Yes, there's no doubt in my mind that's what he's

1150
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: going to be trying. Again, I think Gilbert's gonna better

1151
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: on his feet than you might imagine, but that just

1152
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 1: seems unlikely if the fight is fully contested on the feet,

1153
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: like that's the best chance for Gilbert, I don't think so.

1154
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 1: Mixing it up at times potentially right could land some

1155
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: good shots, of course, but just over the course of

1156
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, I just don't find that likely. Whatever. What

1157
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: I do find potentially likely, however, is that if he

1158
00:54:56,719 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: can establish a takedown threat and really make Jack Dala Malano,

1159
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 1: Jack Dala Medelana work, he's gonna have, I mean, just

1160
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: a massively better shot. I think that, you know, the

1161
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: fights like Ramazan Emive. I'm not putting him on the

1162
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: level of Gilbert Burns, but that was one of the

1163
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: earlier tests about his take down the fence and how

1164
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: much it got better. I think it's probably gonna be very,

1165
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 1: very good. He's apparently working with Craig Jones for this camp.

1166
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: I watched Craig Jones Wall take Down defensive tutorial. It's

1167
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: very very good, very thorough, So you know, Gilbert's gonna

1168
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: have his work cut out for him too, make no

1169
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: mistake about it. But like to the extent that that

1170
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: I mean that that's the central battle, That's not the

1171
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: only battle, but so many things are downstream from that

1172
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 1: battle that that's gonna be the one to pay attention to.

1173
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 2: Dude. I love mister Bob Da Bolina, Maldlena here Luke,

1174
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:43,800
Speaker 2: great fighter.

1175
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: But if I think on Black Betty Bam balamb.

1176
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, by the band Ram Jam. By the way,

1177
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 2: look if you can, if you can lean on one

1178
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 2: veteran on this card, I'm gonna lean on Gilbert to

1179
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 2: pull the upset here. Of all these matchups where it's close,

1180
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 2: it's well matched, I like Gilbert's chance in this one.

1181
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 2: We're gonna see if he can turn it back. Man.

1182
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 2: There's a big fight, big matchup, Yes, to open this card.

1183
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 2: Nobody's talking about this one. Former champion Payoto Yan at

1184
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 2: Bantamway song you Dong the riser, one of mister Faber's kids,

1185
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 2: who's just about all growns up. But for the thirty

1186
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 2: one year old payot Yan Luke, I mean each brother

1187
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 2: he's fighting still super elite competition. But the former champ

1188
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 2: has lost three excuse me, four of his last five,

1189
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 2: including three straight. But in that five fight stretch where

1190
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 2: he's lost four times, there was the DQ loss to

1191
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 2: al Jo, the split decision loss in the rematch, the

1192
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,720
Speaker 2: split decision loss to O'Malley, and then a more wide

1193
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 2: unanimous decision loss to morob Luke. At thirty one, Where

1194
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 2: is payota Yan right now? What is his status is?

1195
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 2: Does he still have it? Is this the product of

1196
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 2: fighting the best in the sports best division, ah.

1197
00:56:57,560 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: And getting a little bit unlucky. So let's go through it.

1198
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: He in twenty twenty one, he fights aljeber Sterling and

1199
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: a fight that he is winning. In my judgment, I

1200
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 1: don't think he's really much questioned about that. In round

1201
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: four he knees him in the head very very stupidly

1202
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 1: and then loses the bout via disqualification right from the

1203
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: illegal knee. So that was about that. He was winning,

1204
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: but he made a stupid mistake and he lost it.

1205
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: He has a fight against Corey Sandhagen and that later

1206
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: that year he wins it. He wins it outright too.

1207
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: Then he goes back to the Sterling fight. Now Sterling

1208
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: really raised his game in that one. And I thought

1209
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: Jan lost that one fair and square. It was close

1210
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: at times, but fair enough. He got beat there, and

1211
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: there's nothing you can really say much about that. The

1212
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: O'Malley fight, I thought he won, and I think a

1213
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 1: lot of online observers thought he won. It's close. I'm

1214
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 1: not saying it's a robbery. It's a close fight, but

1215
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: I thought he won it. I thought he wonted two

1216
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: rounds to three. And then Morob is simply overwhelming. So

1217
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: like I give Sterling credit for raising his game in

1218
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: the rematch at fair and square, Morob he's just just

1219
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: too much he can do. He's gonna be a really

1220
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: tough fight for anybody. But the other fights, I don't

1221
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: really read too much into it. And he had the

1222
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: Cory Sandhagen win put in between there. So I mean,

1223
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: I respect what Seanamalley did in the Yon fight. He

1224
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 1: showed up in ways I didn't think he would, but

1225
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think he won that fight. I

1226
00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: think Yan won that fight. So to me, I gotta

1227
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 1: tell you, I what psychologically it could mean to have

1228
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 1: that many l's on his record. It may impact his

1229
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: performance and maybe he is burned out, like there could

1230
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: be of several factors related to the actual losing that

1231
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:35,280
Speaker 1: transpired that could affect his performance on Saturday. But I

1232
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: don't see him as like on some massive slip. I

1233
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: don't see him as some guy who like you can

1234
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: look at his game and it's like massively deteriorated. It

1235
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: didn't look great against Morob, but that's Mirob and that's

1236
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: the last fight. But it's hard to look good against

1237
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: him when Morob is just sort of moving downhill on you.

1238
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: In other words, BC, you know, to me, I still

1239
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: favor I don't know what the odds are, but I

1240
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: favor him to beat Songya Dong, And I think songa

1241
00:58:58,320 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: Dong has not beaten a guy like this. This is

1242
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: the best shot for song you Dong to get him

1243
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: on this losing streak like this is coming off that

1244
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: Ricye Simone win. So I like the matchmaking. This was

1245
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: supposed to be a main event previously for one of

1246
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: the fight nights they had, right, but everyone being like,

1247
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: oh Yahn three fight losing streak? Has it looked great

1248
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: in forever? I'm like, yeah, that's not quite accurate. He

1249
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: actually has looked good fairly recently.

1250
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 2: He fought all killers in that five fight stretch, I

1251
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 2: mean all killers, you know what I mean. And when

1252
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 2: you look at the odds man, it's a virtual pick

1253
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 2: him minus one twenty yan as you're barely an underdog,

1254
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 2: all right, I'm sorry, that makes him the favorite. Excuse me.

1255
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 2: And then you have song you Dong minus one oh

1256
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 2: six as the slight underdog, so a virtual pick him.

1257
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 2: Your dong is now twenty six years old. To your point,

1258
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:44,919
Speaker 2: does he have a win on this level? Well, yes

1259
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 2: and no. He does have a twenty twenty win over

1260
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,439
Speaker 2: Marlon Vera that was I would say disputed at the time,

1261
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 2: in a close three round fight. But then he goes

1262
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 2: and he loses to Kyler Phillips the next time. But

1263
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 2: since then he's four and one over sorry, five and

1264
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 2: one overall. Since that Kyler Phillips lost, the only lost

1265
01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 2: was the stoppage to Corey Sanagan knocks out Ricky Simone

1266
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 2: scores a five round decision over Chris Gutierrez. He had

1267
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Speaker 2: finished Marlon Moris during that stretch, finished who they o? RSA.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, he's coming on to a certain degree,

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Speaker 2: but it is perfect matchmaking. In the Who's Coming You're

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Speaker 2: Going Crossroads element, no different than POORI A BSD. Gilbert

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Speaker 2: Burns JDM. This is to find out if the aging

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Speaker 2: veteran still has it or if the kid is ready

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Speaker 2: man fireworks. I do, though, to echo what you said.

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Speaker 2: Will this make a more desperate Yawn, Giving the losing

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01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 2: skid where he feels in this fifteen minute window, he's

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01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 2: got to come in there and prove a lot. I

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01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 2: wonder how that impacts the fight.

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Speaker 1: I think the thing I'd be looking for is somewhat

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Speaker 1: related to that, but a little bit different. Sometimes Jan

1280
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: is a bit of a slow starter, three round contest.

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01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: You're not going to have too much leeway to play

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01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: with that. I think that has cost him at times

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01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 1: in certain ways, but it's also kind of essential to

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01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,520
Speaker 1: him downloading and whatnot. I think it'll be fine if

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01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,480
Speaker 1: in the end he is still who I think he is.

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01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: He takes some time to download, and then I just

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01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:02,880
Speaker 1: see him having way more weapons and song Getong song

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01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 1: Adong has certainly gotten better, but still is to me

1289
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: a little bit desperate with his offense. Yah has more

1290
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 1: of it, has more ways to weave it in, certainly

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01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: much more battle tested as well. But I'd be curious

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01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: to see how he plays this game. Has he worked

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01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: on getting a quicker start. Has he worked on different

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Speaker 1: ways that have kind of messed him up a little

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01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 1: bit in previous encounters. Has he worked on some of

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01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: those things that, to me is going to be kind

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Speaker 1: of important here to be a little bit less error

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Speaker 1: prone and a little bit less lackadaisical in terms of

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Speaker 1: his urgency to fight. Those are the things I'm looking for.

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Speaker 2: Look quickly on this undercard, and it's very well matched.

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01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 2: This whole card is so well matched. The preliminary feature

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01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 2: about that we mentioned off the top at heavyweight that

1303
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 2: could and likely will produce the next interim heavyweight title

1304
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 2: challenger is Curtis Blades against Johnson Almeida. Right now, Fandel

1305
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 2: has them both at minus one thirteen, so a pick

1306
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 2: them there at heavyweight? What should we watch for in

1307
01:01:59,360 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 2: this matchup?

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Speaker 1: Take down? Take down or bust for Jalton Almeida? Can

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01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: he get it? Can he hold it? What can he

1310
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 1: do with it? Remember the ground and pound if he

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01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 1: ends up underneath, Remember that Curtis Blades shattered the face

1312
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 1: basically of alistair overing with those elbows. He would be

1313
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: devastating on top. I mean again situation where Jelton Almeida

1314
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: has some a real big advantage in one key part

1315
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: of the game and there's no denying he's got it,

1316
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 1: but he's got a disadvantage in basically every other one.

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01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: Curtis Blades should win this, but he's got to be

1318
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: on point. He's made airs costly ones at times against

1319
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,959
Speaker 1: difficult opponents. I want to see him on his p's

1320
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 1: and q's in this one.

1321
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Speaker 2: Pick him fight. Can't wait to see it. Would love

1322
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 2: both of those guys against aspinall in a full fight.

1323
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 2: We may end up going down that road and finding

1324
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,080
Speaker 2: it out, because you know, if we still do, John

1325
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 2: and Stepe, I mean, what are we doing here? Quickly

1326
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 2: on the name change you shot out at me before

1327
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Speaker 2: the show started. Caitlin Chukeajian the blonde fighter Luke, thirty

1328
01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 2: five year old veteran at one twenty five, changing her

1329
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 2: surname to Sermonera her married name, and she'll bring that

1330
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 2: married name into an interesting matchup with twenty five year

1331
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 2: old Macy Barber, who somehow still that young Luke. But

1332
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 2: she has won five in a row since that two fight,

1333
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 2: losing streak to Roxanne Monta furry by Big upset and

1334
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 2: then of course the decision loss that looks a Grosso

1335
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 2: before Grosso was able to change. You know, I ended

1336
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 2: up going on her run to the title. Here, she's

1337
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 2: been some decent names Luke, and she's coming off a

1338
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 2: stoppage of Amanda Heboss. Is it time for Macy Barber

1339
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 2: if she gets past the formerly known Shukgian on Saturday?

1340
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: Tukegian tough fighter, super experienced, manages range and distance very well.

1341
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:42,439
Speaker 1: But as you mentioned, those five wins in a row

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01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: for Macy Barber, and by the way, thirty five versus

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01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: twenty five in the age, another ten year gap he

1344
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 1: had thirty seven to twenty seven with Gilbert and JDM,

1345
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: So another interesting we said it before, a lot of

1346
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 1: like who's coming, who's going, who's old, who's young? Clashes nerationally,

1347
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 1: this is another one. I do feel like though Macy

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01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: Barber was a she had it was big and loud

1349
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 1: about who she was going to be. Very early hit

1350
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: a couple of roadblocks, had a bit of a slow

1351
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 1: ish start from that, but in their last couple of

1352
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 1: fights against Andrea Lee and then Amanda Heboss, I thought

1353
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: she and then I know, the one against Lee was

1354
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: a bit of a split decision, but I still think

1355
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:19,720
Speaker 1: she's really got to begin to turn it on. She

1356
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 1: look good against Hebos, tough, durable, this is this is

1357
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 1: a great opportunity for her because Chukeagan knows how to

1358
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 1: win rounds. She knows how to disengage and make everyone

1359
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: fight on her terms right, which changes the whole ballgame

1360
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,960
Speaker 1: for me, Barbara. Can she get away from that and

1361
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: find a way to get the fight on her terms?

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Speaker 1: We shall see.

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Speaker 2: I like this lightweight till mittayas gamer will be a

1364
01:04:42,680 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 2: four to one betting favorite against thirty nine year old

1365
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 2: haf Al Dosandos, the aging veteran who has lost two

1366
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 2: of three but is always game. I'm gonna be watching

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01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 2: that closely, Luke, are you dialed into the early prelims

1368
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 2: when we get heavyweight Robellis Dspagne who's gonna make his

1369
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 2: debut here against Josh Perize. And this is a thirty

1370
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Speaker 2: five year old six foot seven Cuban known as the

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01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 2: Bad Boy, who is a freak athlete with a freak reach.

1372
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Speaker 2: I believe this is a UFC record reach. Tell me

1373
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,440
Speaker 2: if I'm wrong. This side of it's the longest.

1374
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: Reach in UFC history. Yes, longer than seven foot semi show.

1375
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 2: Eighty seven inches here for the six foot seven frame,

1376
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 2: Josh Parisian seems about right for that, like you know

1377
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 2: slam that they're gonna bring to the slaughter to find

1378
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 2: out if this guy is the next hen in Ferrera Luke.

1379
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 2: Maybe he is, maybe he isn't, but it is something

1380
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 2: to watch here on this early creed.

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01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 1: I mean, Roberlis is super untested, I mean could not

1382
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 1: be less tested in MMA. I mean, obviously he was

1383
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 1: very accomplished in taekwondo, but like in MMA, my man

1384
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 1: is like outrageously untested. So like either he's gonna win

1385
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 1: spectacularly or be see if there's any question about his

1386
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 1: game and he loses to Parisian, which by the way,

1387
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 1: is I don't think it's I mean, I don't really know.

1388
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 1: I don't really know. I don't we don't know shit

1389
01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 1: about this dude's MMA game. But like if it ends

1390
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 1: up being like WHOA fully inadequate, we can't be surprised.

1391
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: You just can't plim.

1392
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 2: Minus three point forty. Daspagna is the favorite, but that's

1393
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 2: an interesting betting fight. Should he walk in there and

1394
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 2: have a lot of issues, We're gonna find out a

1395
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 2: couple other matchups. I just want to mention, Uh, Michelle

1396
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 2: Perreta against Mihal only Shakeshik is going to be all action.

1397
01:06:17,160 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 2: Ewon Kutalaba's back against Philipe Alenz at Light. Have youweight

1398
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 2: few other okay ones there to turn out Luke the Curtin.

1399
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 1: Barry you Bury the lead the Pagero Muno is one

1400
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 1: thirty five fight over Kyler Phillips. Kyler Phillips has impressed me.

1401
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a big name yet, but uh he

1402
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 1: has of recently looked much better than I ever thought

1403
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 1: he would. That's a quietly important fight for the bantamweight division.

1404
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's fresh off that decision went over Hyoni Barcellas.

1405
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 2: He has a win over song Ya Dong as we

1406
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 2: mentioned earlier. Great card on Saturday. Man can't wait, Looke, Well,

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Speaker 2: we have an MK post product on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: We certainly will the UFC two nine nine post fight

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Speaker 1: show right here, YouTube dot com Slash Morning Combat. Keep

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Speaker 1: it locked, bitch.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's Luke Thomas. I'm Brian Campbell, Mikey Moore, Miles

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Speaker 2: CBS on the ones and twos. Thank you for watching Luke. People,

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01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 2: are debating whether us taking some time off was worth it.

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01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:11,919
Speaker 2: It wasn't worth it, it was necessary, and we're about

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Speaker 2: to bang all of our listeners.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it could be the case, b see

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01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: that we didn't really have a choice and we kind

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01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 1: of had to. Well that's a little strong too.

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Speaker 2: We were fighting to save this show, Luke Okay, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean I don't think folks really understand, like some

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Speaker 1: of the things we made, we didn't have great choices.

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Speaker 1: But either way, either way, news headed your way soon.

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned, tuy Bang.

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Speaker 2: That's the story. Thank you for watching. We are out

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Speaker 2: of here.