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Speaker 1: Here we go. Welcome to the buffet with Chat and Scooch.

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Speaker 1: It is a massive week this week. It is Masters Week,

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Speaker 1: and in the betting community, Masters is a huge opportunity.

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Speaker 1: There are millions of props to play, there are matchups

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Speaker 1: the Masters in Masters week. This week is the first

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Speaker 1: week for our newest employee, who happens to be the

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Speaker 1: premier golf writer of his generation. Jason Sober is on

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Speaker 1: the line. He has been hired by the Action Network

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Speaker 1: to cover golf for US leading ESPN after about two decades. Jason,

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Speaker 1: I'm really happy here on the phone with me. I'm

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Speaker 1: really happy you're writing for the Action Network. I'm really

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Speaker 1: happy you're covering golf for us. How you doing, Chat,

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Speaker 1: I'm great, Thanks for having me on the pod. Of course,

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Speaker 1: on my first day work. I really couldn't say though

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Speaker 1: so excited to get on board and get get working

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Speaker 1: with everybody. You guys have impressed me a lot just

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Speaker 1: better a week to get started as a master's week, right, boy,

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Speaker 1: the toning on that was nice. Yeah, we just have

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Speaker 1: to figure that out. Huh. Yeah, we're geniuses like that.

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Speaker 1: But listen, you've got a seriously legit resume. Um four

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Speaker 1: Emmy's eight time Golf Writer of the Year. What I'm

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Speaker 1: asked me for for some credentials to send out to

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Speaker 1: with that. And by the way, it's not like anyone's

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Speaker 1: Um so so you gotta look up to to actually

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Speaker 1: I kind of ran the gamut when I was on

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Speaker 1: And you posted your first piece went up late last night,

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Speaker 1: Jordan's speech who deals with it terrifically, a Warry mclary

428
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 1: deals with it terrifically. Even Justin Thomas gets a little edgy,

429
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: a little bit touchy at times, but I think just

430
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 1: Thomas deals with it really really well, just in their personalities.

431
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Speaker 1: I just wonder if it's in Patrick Cantley's personality to

432
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Speaker 1: be a superstar someday. Well, you also touched on you're

433
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 1: doing this really interesting story for later in the week. Uh.

434
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 1: The conventional wisdom of particular players versus um sort of

435
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: what the reality is when you are at Augusta. Uh,

436
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Speaker 1: share a little more detail on what you're what the

437
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 1: reporting is showing for that story. Yeah, I'll give you

438
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 1: a couple of ideas. Uh. Jordan's spiece is obviously guy

439
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,640
Speaker 1: who figured out Augusta really early in his career, and

440
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: that is, uh, that's pretty uncommon thing. Usually the guys

441
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 1: who succeeded Augusta that have played at seven or eight

442
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: or nine times and figured out the nuances and understand

443
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: the little nooks and cray needs of certain holes and

444
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 1: know where to hit it and where not to hit

445
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 1: it and configure all that stuff out after some experience

446
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 1: playing there. Jordan's speed figured it out right away. And

447
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: so the conventional wisdom is that Jordan's speeds, smart, his strategy,

448
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 1: his no how has helped him be a very good

449
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: Master's player. And I don't dispute any of that. I

450
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: think there is a lot to that, and I think

451
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Speaker 1: that the conventional wisdom is there because it is also

452
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Speaker 1: some wisdom and so that that certainly makes sense. But

453
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Speaker 1: I look off the course, uh you know, and I

454
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 1: look at we're talking some insider info here, and I

455
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: look at the fact that Jordan's figured out some other stuff,

456
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: and maybe it's the people around Jordan's beef. And most

457
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 1: players get one house that they don't stay in hotels

458
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,719
Speaker 1: during Master's week. They get a house, but really at

459
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 1: one house, and I'll have the wife and kids, and

460
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 1: they'll have maybe the agent, maybe another player even and

461
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: just other people around. Jordan's spief and his team gets

462
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 1: two houses the right down on the street from each other.

463
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: There's a party house and friends and family are there,

464
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Speaker 1: and they've got a ping pong table in a pool

465
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 1: table and a big screen TV, and everybody's kind of

466
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: hanging out. And it's a great place for Jordan to

467
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 1: go after a round and decompress and get away from

468
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 1: the Gulf and not even have to think about the Masters.

469
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 1: But he also has this other house which is just

470
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Speaker 1: his and I assume maybe his fiance will be there

471
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: this year as well. But he's able to go there

472
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: and focus, whether it's before the round or after the round,

473
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 1: he can at least be alone. He can get away

474
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Speaker 1: from all those other people. I don't think a lot

475
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Speaker 1: of players have that, and I'm surprised that more players

476
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: haven't picked up on this and said, you know what, Okay,

477
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to pay an extra twenty grand, thirty grand,

478
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: whatever it is to rent one more house for the week.

479
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Speaker 1: But if it means the difference between me finishing in

480
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Speaker 1: second place and finishing in seventh place, uh, that's gonna

481
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: be a huge difference in the size of the paychecks.

482
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: So it's probably going to be worth it for me.

483
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: So I don't know any other players that have picked

484
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: up on that, but uh, I think it gives Jordan's

485
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: a big advantage. I think it's hugely beneficial for him

486
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: to have those two different houses where he can go

487
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: to one and just sort of hang out with family

488
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: and friends, have a beer, decompress, just sort of get

489
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: away from the Gulf. But then when he needs to

490
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: get into focus mode, he can go back to his

491
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Speaker 1: house and not have everybody around, not have the TV blairing,

492
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: not have music on, and just be by himself and focus.

493
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Speaker 1: What are these guys just cheap? Like? It's such a

494
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 1: no brainer. I can't believe this is the one guy

495
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 1: who's figured that out, do you know what I mean?

496
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe there are a couple more out there to

497
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 1: do it. I just haven't heard of anybody else doing

498
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 1: that chat, and I I'm surprised that more haven't figured

499
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,719
Speaker 1: out the fact that Jordan does it and he's had

500
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 1: early success and maybe I should do it too. That

501
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: just warns me. All right. So we've covered the people

502
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,159
Speaker 1: at the top of the odds leaderboard, We've covered the

503
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: people that could be sleepers. We've covered Tiger, We've covered form.

504
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 1: Do you know we have them covered in this podcast? Yet?

505
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: What's a little a little segment we call you Bet

506
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,719
Speaker 1: your Life, which is you are going to tell me

507
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: the biggest risk you've ever taken and how it played out.

508
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: So tell me, Jason Sobel, new employee of the Action Network,

509
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: golf writer extraordinaire, tell me about the biggest risk you've

510
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: taken in life and how it worked out. But well,

511
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: I'm hoping today, first time on the job, isn't the

512
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: biggest risk I've ever taken. I gotta tell you went

513
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: all in on this one, buddy, and it is scary.

514
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: I've been doing it for six months, and boy is

515
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: it scary. Oh good, thanks man. It makes you feel

516
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: way better. This is the lock of the year. This

517
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: is this I'm not worried about. I mean, I don't

518
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: get a whole lot of locks in life. This one

519
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 1: of the locks. So, uh no, this is great. I look,

520
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: I've always sort of looked at life as kind of

521
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: a gamble anyway. I mean, everything you do. What did

522
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 1: you say, Hey, I want to get the steak or

523
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: the chicken. You're sort of gambling with one being better

524
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: than the other, and uh, and whatever you do in

525
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: life in part is a gamble, which I think draws

526
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: so many of us to uh betting on sports and

527
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: playing dfs and uh and all these other things, because look,

528
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: that's what we're doing every day in our lives anyway.

529
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: So I think we always play some risk. Guy, I'm

530
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 1: gonna tell you. I know it's probably isn't a huge risk,

531
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: but this is my favorite gambling story. I was in

532
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: Las Vegas when I was boy. I had to have

533
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: been twenty three years old, I think it was. I

534
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: think we're talking like twenty years ago. Um, and I

535
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: was in Vegas with a buddy and I'm a big

536
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 1: soccer guy. And then I play soccer I like soccer

537
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: a lot. I don't know a whole lot about international soccer.

538
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: I might have known a little bit more then, but

539
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 1: I don't know a whole lot about now. The soccer

540
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: games on, I'll found watch, but I don't know all

541
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: the players. I don't know everything's going on, but I

542
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: understand the game pretty well. I still playing on a

543
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: few different teams. So in any case, the World Cup

544
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: is going on as I'm in Las Vegas and I'm

545
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: with a buddy, and Spain has a game in the

546
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: first round, and I said, man, they're playing. They're playing Slovenia. Boy,

547
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: I've heard Slovenia's really good. A couple of these players,

548
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: I know, I think they're gonna take them. They're like, yeah,

549
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: they're they're a goal and a half underdog. Let's take

550
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: them outright to win. So like three or four hundred

551
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: bucks on it. I mean, at the time, we're you know,

552
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: starving young kids who are uh making a pittance, you know,

553
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: and trying to go go to Vegas on the cheap,

554
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: and we're like, hey, let's win some real money on

555
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: this thing. So we take uh Slovenia and we stay

556
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: up to four in the morning Vegas time and we

557
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: put this game on. We're like all fired up about

558
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: it and we're sitting there watching Spain scores two goals

559
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: in the first ten minutes. That turned to my buddy

560
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: and go, you know what, I think I've been Slovakia. Um,

561
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: so that that'll that'll teach you that, I'll teach you

562
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: do a little research. You've gotta at least know your

563
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: Slovenia's from your Slovakias. Let me tell you something that

564
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: is a really cute story, charming, touching. But if that's

565
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: the biggest risk you've ever taken in your entire life

566
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:12,959
Speaker 1: on anything, on anything, then you need you need to

567
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: take more risks other than you know, throwing away a

568
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: brilliant career at ESPN to come join us at the

569
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: Action Network, which really that's like become cliche because I

570
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: already did it. But like, there has to be a

571
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: risk you've taken in your life where you're like, boy,

572
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 1: this could go either way, and I just don't know.

573
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: Now you're putting me on the spot. I thought you'd

574
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: tell you a cute little gambling story from twenty years

575
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: ago and we'd move on, and you're gonna let me,

576
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: uh let me do that. I welcome to a brother.

577
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: We don't let anybody off easy. Yeah, boy, I'm I'm

578
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: trying to think. I mean, I you know, job wise,

579
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: you know, I I think the habit of sort of

580
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: moving around a little bit. I know I've spent a

581
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: lot of time at ESPN, but I jumped to Golf

582
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: Channel and moved to Orlando, Florida, and I didn't know

583
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: anybody in the city and moved down here with my

584
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: family seven years ago, and then jump back to ESPN.

585
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: So what I said, I even though risky ventures, I

586
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: don't look at them as risk but I look at

587
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: them as opportunities. And so I don't see any of

588
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: this and saying, boy, uh, you know this is uh,

589
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: there's a big risk we're taking. It might not work out.

590
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: I said, it's a good opportunity and and and if

591
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: something doesn't work out, you just figure it out afterwards.

592
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: You know, I've never been averse to them. You know what,

593
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: that was a really good answer because I like that attitude.

594
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: Thank you, you're off the hook, Jason Silba, because you

595
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: also have to go back to work, Like I know,

596
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: you've got about eight things that I've asked you to

597
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: do for a master's week and so uh, and then

598
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: I made you do a podcast in the middle of

599
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: all of it. So welcome to the Action Network. Go

600
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: do great things. Uh. We're expecting nothing less and with

601
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: thrilled you've joined us. God, I can't be happier about it. Um,

602
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: I've got one question for you before I leave, because

603
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: this counts a lunch breaker. Do I still get half

604
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: an hour to eat after this? Now you can take

605
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: ten minutes. But while you're doing it, I think that's

606
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: gonna work. I think you should call Tiger while you're eating,

607
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: just at least text him, just get some you know,

608
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 1: make sure remind him of who you are, where you're going,

609
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: and what you're doing, and that you're gonna need him

610
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: at some point. You know what you joke about that

611
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: I probably need to send a text to some of

612
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: Tiger's handlers, maybe maybe not talking to himself. At least

613
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: tigers handlers can give him a head on where I

614
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: am and what I'm doing. So thank you up on that.

615
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: I know you're a kidding, but I am actually gonna

616
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: take you up on that and go do that right now.

617
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: I never kid, I only give brilliant ideas and direction.

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00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: That's all I do. Hi Man, thank you,