WEBVTT - Jaguars Happy Hour: Tuesday, December 14 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:09.400 It is Tuesday, December fourteen. This is Jaguars Happy Hour. 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:14.400 And now a guy who would be saying his tenth reindeer, 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:20.160 but well he's sitting next to Lockerman J P. Shad Rick. 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:25.760 There are nine reindeer. Is that accurate? Oh, rudolphs Tonight 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:29.200 welcome in its Jaguars Happy Hour. I'm J. P. Shadrick. 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:33.919 We've got a busy show ahead, busy two hours in fact, Well, 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:37.599 it's Jaguars analyst Jeff Lockman. He's with us. He'll join 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:39.560 us here in just a moment. Jaguars dot Com seenior 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:42.839 writer John Oser joins us at four fifteen. He was 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:48.239 aboard Kismut yesterday some media members invited to visit with 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:52.440 Jaguars owner shot Con today, the tenth anniversary of the 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:56.960 approval of his purchase of the Jaguars. We'll get John 0:00:57.000 --> 0:01:00.160 Oser's taken what Mr Kan had to say recapping week fortan. 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:02.720 Of course, the Titans over the Jaguars twenty nothing will 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:05.240 put that one to bed, thank goodness. And we'll look 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:08.920 ahead of week fifteen. The Texans come to town to 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:11.640 face the Jaguars, a battle of two and eleven teams 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:14.000 and at five o'clock the Urban Meyer Show on the 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:18.960 Jaguars Radio Network. We'll hear from Jaguars head coach Urban Meyer. 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:22.639 Of course, the Jags fell this past week twenty to nothing, 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:27.000 the first shutout lost for the Jaguars since two thousand nine. 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:30.000 For the third time this season, they were held to 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:33.759 under two hundred yards, only eight rushing yards on eight 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:38.440 rushing attempts total, both of those franchise lows all time. 0:01:39.080 --> 0:01:41.920 The defense doing what they can. It was their second 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:45.320 best day in terms of total yardage allowed for the season, 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:48.960 two d sixty three yards, good in the quick change 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:53.000 category after the second half interceptions by Trevor Lawrence. Just 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:57.279 not enough full complementary team football this past Sunday, of course, 0:01:57.360 --> 0:02:00.720 and the Jags take another l in the season, their second, 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:03.800 the second five game losing skid of the season. Rban 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:07.120 Meyer after the game, I'm talking with Shot Khan about 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:11.400 his belief of turning it around. I assured him that 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:14.080 we I still believe in my heart we will. How fast, 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:18.120 you know that depends on Once again, I still think 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:20.680 there's good pieces you watched, and you watched out there today, 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:23.320 Miles Jack and that defense and some of those kids. 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:27.160 Uh Roy Smoot. I mean I was those guys are 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:29.840 playing their tails off. You get a couple of scores 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:31.920 on offense, you're right there, and we didn't do it. 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:38.400 So what's the answer. Start leaking information or some nonsense. No, no, 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:42.520 that's nonsense, that's garbage, that's you know, that's once again 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:44.519 I've been very blessed. I'm not really dealt with that. 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:49.920 I'm not dealt with Well did you hear what he said? What? No, 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:53.440 Let's improve on offense and get our quarterback in a 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:57.560 position to be successful. That's our focus. What someone's brother 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:01.280 said or someone said, someone said that will that occupy 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:03.760 very little my time. And if if there is a source, 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:09.760 that source is unemployed, I mean within seconds, if there's 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:13.240 some source that's doing it, that's head coach, are buyer. 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:16.919 After the game this past Sunday, we welcome in Jeff Logman, 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:20.640 of course, Logs. Good afternoon, first afternoon. By the way, 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:24.640 who doesn't know that there's nine Reindeer? Well, okay, I 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:29.280 mean it's I mean really, I never really, I guess 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:31.640 counted them. I don't know there's nine. He's the ninth. 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:35.120 Rudolph's the ninth, right, I mean, come on, man. Okay, 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:37.520 I mean, you know Rudolph with his nose, so Bran, 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:42.960 I've heard the song, Yes, you never sang the root 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:45.320 and you know the song that has the names of 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:49.040 the previous eight you never Christmas is coming? Right? When's 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:53.360 the Christmas again? Okay? Good this year? Good? Good to know. 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:58.120 Um Saturday reports going into Sunday's game about the tension 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:03.920 on the staff and the story weekend, and then Sunday's 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:07.720 game happened. The Jags were shut out this week and today. 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:10.720 In fact, shot Con talking to the media yesterday the 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:14.520 tenth anniversary of his ownership, and Con said that basically 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:16.279 he's going to do what's best with the team in 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:20.280 the city moving ahead. He's not impulsive. This losing now 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:22.880 is different than the losing in the past because there's 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:26.080 a lot of attention on it and because of the 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.960 things going on outside the team. There's a lot happening here. 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:31.920 Well yeah, I mean there's a lot happening. And I 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:36.120 think part of this too is the level of disappointment, 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:40.200 because when when you reset the franchise, so to speak, 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:44.000 and that you have the first overall picking the draft 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:48.880 and you bring on this new regime, you expect some 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:52.760 type of improvement, and especially when you get down the 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:55.719 stretch in December. I mean, what you expect that the 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:59.960 first overall pick quarterback, Trevor Lawrence to start showing sign 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:04.560 of making progress. And this past game was once again 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:07.520 a very large step back. And I still believe in him. 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:09.680 I'm not saying that I don't believe in him and 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:13.960 that that he doesn't have all the tools that that 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:17.080 are required to be a great quarterback. But it's just 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:20.919 it looks bad. And I think it also what looks 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:23.240 bad is that you have all these reports and then 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:27.080 you have another offensive performance that is not good. And 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:30.719 then on top of that, there are only eight rushing 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:36.440 attempts for eight yards against a Tennessee football team that's 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:39.880 not exactly scoring a lot of points recently, and they're 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:43.359 missing a lot of weapons. So and the and the 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:46.560 talk was prior to the game. When I say the talk, 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:48.440 you know, Erman was talking about, hey, we need to 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:50.760 get back to the foundation of what we are. You know, 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:52.800 we wanted to be a team that runs the football 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:56.800 and gets behind the offensive line. But you only have 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:59.640 eight carries and one of those was actually a scramble 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:03.159 by Trevor Lawrence. So there's really only seven called offensive 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:06.760 runs in the game and a lot of throws and 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.440 it was a game. It wasn't like the score was 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:12.400 ever out of out of wax and nothing in the 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:19.040 third quarter. Yeah, so that was confusing, I mean really confusing. 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:24.000 And uh and and I almost it almost felt because 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:29.520 you put so much pressure on Trevor to perform, then 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:32.320 you had him trying to do too much and then 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:34.599 it leads to four interceptions, which it was not all 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:38.279 his fault he admitted were obviously well the first one 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:41.640 was the first one was not his fault because that 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:45.080 was off of the hands of Laviska Chanal. Now, if 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:48.960 Lavisca doesn't catch the ball when it's in his hands 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:53.080 and he sees it's see that's coming, James Robinson put 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:55.400 the ball on the ground, you know. So this is 0:06:55.440 --> 0:06:58.839 what people do and rightfully, so if Lavisca lets that 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:01.680 ball goes through his hands leads in interception, why doesn't 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:04.240 he get benched for twenty reps? I mean, because that's 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:07.320 what people are waiting to see what happens, Right, James 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:10.440 Robinson puts the ball on the turf and then he 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:13.360 comes out for about twenty snaps and then Carlos Hide 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:15.119 in the same game, puts the ball on the turf 0:07:15.160 --> 0:07:17.240 and he doesn't come out for twenty snaps. And then 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:20.120 so I mean, everybody's like, okay, well, what's the punishment 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:24.480 for being responsible for a turnover? But the interceptions la 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:26.840 Visco that was totally on him on the first one. 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:31.520 The second one was a very interesting play and in fact, 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:33.760 we're gonna look at this on Jaguars All Access on 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:36.480 Thursday night. A little tea s there, but to give 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:40.240 it to you in summary, the Titans are shown cover 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:44.320 zero blitz. They're bringing everybody coming or gonna bring everybody. 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:47.400 They're showing that they're all coming. Linebackers are walked up 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:49.520 to the line of scrimmage and everything, and so he 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:52.720 thinks that he's got Tavon Austin man coverage against Kevin 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:56.280 Byrd to the slot on the right side. The linebacker 0:07:56.360 --> 0:08:00.080 to that side, jay On Brown, comes and then and 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:05.160 after drawing the attention of the lineman to make sure 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:07.840 that that happens, so that there's none blocked defender that's 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:10.840 buzzing now in the face of Trevor Lawrence, he drops 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:13.360 out the last minute, gets a hand on the ball, 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:17.480 tips to himself makes interception. That's just a great play 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.680 that happens, and it's a great defensive design but a 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:23.640 great individual play. So okay, that's a learning experience for 0:08:23.720 --> 0:08:31.320 Trevor that happens. The third interception was I think that 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:33.760 was the treadwell on a crossing route and it was 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:38.840 a poor decision. The last one was Jadon Mickens doesn't 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:43.000 finish the play and it wasn't a wise decision by 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:45.880 Trevor to make that throw. But Jadon Mixins now has 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:47.959 to become a defensive back. You can't just sit there 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:50.240 and accept the fact that this was a bad ball 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:52.880 and that I'm not gonna be able to catch it. Okay, 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:54.280 I'm not gonna be able to catch it. Now I 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:58.040 have to switch my mindset to be from a wide 0:08:58.040 --> 0:08:59.600 receiver of catching it. T Now I'm gonna be a 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:02.240 defensive back and I gotta break this pass up. And 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:04.960 he didn't do it, so but it it was just 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:08.640 it was a bad weekend overall on so many different fronts. 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:10.880 Because you had the article that was written by Tom 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:13.520 Pelicero and NFL dot Com, and Tom is is as 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:17.120 reputable as they come. If he wrote it, then then 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:19.800 then I believe a lot of the things that he said, 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:23.640 and then you had the performance on top of that, 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:26.320 and so it just it just doesn't make it better. 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:28.760 And my point was is that you know, you you 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:30.440 had so much hope that things were going to get 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:32.720 better and now they're not. And I think it just 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:37.719 increases the scrutiny on the lack of success and is 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:42.120 that right? Wrong and different? It's reality, That's what it is. 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:44.840 And that's what Mr Kha was saying. And some of 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.560 these articles that have come out yesterday and today after 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:49.640 his visit with the media, we'll hear from John Osier 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:52.040 coming up in just a minute. He was there yesterday. 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:54.319 Get his thoughts and what Mr Kanna had to say. 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:56.840 There's a lot to unpack there, of course, about the 0:09:56.880 --> 0:10:01.160 football team and downtown development and everything moving ahead there. 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:06.160 So all right, four games to go. This team has 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:09.559 scored nine points a game since the bye week on offense. 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:12.280 I mean, there's not really they haven't shown it, at 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:16.439 least recently, a track record of being able to bounce 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:19.600 back and do something differently moving ahead, especially the last 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:22.920 couple of weeks with the lack of carries and success 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:25.760 in the running game JP, the first game of the year, 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:29.440 the first game for the young quarterback Trevor Lawrence. How 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:37.559 many times did they throw the ball'st one? I mean who? 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:41.320 I mean, that's that's crazy. And so you want to 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:43.560 get back to be in your core. Well wait a minute, 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:46.160 you really never established it and you should have established 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:50.280 it because you have a young quarterback and that's that's 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:55.880 the hard part. And the offensive line, Like, that's what 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:59.120 I thought. Is that what you want to do with 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:03.199 a rookie quarterback in the very first game ever against 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:05.720 the Texans team? By the way, that's not very good. 0:11:07.240 --> 0:11:09.200 I don't think that's very wise. And I think that 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:11.480 brings into question just just like this pass game. And 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:13.440 the reason I bring that up is like this pass game, 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:17.640 you have seven called runs for the running backs. Is 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:19.520 that what you really need for young quarterback? I mean, 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:25.000 you're you're you're trying to create and facilitate development and 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:28.199 it takes time. Now, is making him throw the ball 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:30.800 fifty one times? Is that going to accelerate his development? 0:11:30.800 --> 0:11:32.800 I don't think so. I mean it could, it could, 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:35.120 because you're asking him to throw the ball a ton, 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:38.120 But the problem is that you might risk the opposite 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:42.240 effect and that you're not facilitating growth and improvement and 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:47.400 that you're encouraging failure and frustration. And so that's I 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:50.440 think that an interesting argument back and forth is what 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:53.480 is the proper way to go about it? But it's 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:55.800 it's just frustrating JP and I think it's frustrating for 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:59.200 everybody involved in the offensive line, which we know that 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:01.800 this offensive line is not built to pass protect all 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:06.560 day long. They had a bad performance that three out 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:09.000 of the five did not play well at all. Juwan 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:15.800 Taylor bad game, Andrew Norwell bad game, right guard Ben 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:21.520 Barte bad game. Three out of the five. Cam Robinson Okay, 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:27.040 not great, Tyler Shatley, Okay, not great. So if you 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:31.040 have five components and three were bad and two were 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:36.800 not great, can you win the cancers? No, they can't. 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:43.199 And Jeffrey Simmons was it was a man child child. 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:46.160 He's a really good player. That's two weeks in a 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:49.800 row that a defensive tackle has had a has had 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:53.040 his way with the Jaguars offensive line because he went 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:56.920 from Aaron Donald to Jeffrey Simmons's in a well, look, 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.640 Jeffrey Simmons is a really good player too. He's big, 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:03.319 straw a powerful. He's a different player than a Aaron Donald. 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:07.120 As quick and strong as an ox, but quick. That 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:11.080 quickness and leverage that he plays the game with is 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:13.680 so unique. By the way, did you see it last 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:17.600 night Monday Night Football? Him through the right guard into 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:22.600 the quarterback, walked him back into Kyler Murray? Oh did 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:24.360 you see the one that Ben Part's got run over? 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:29.560 By the way against Tennessee? Uh? Yeah, I mean that 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:33.040 was not a good performance by the offensive line and Tennessee. 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:37.760 And and the reality is this rivalry because it is 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:43.079 a rivalry. Every game in division is a rivalry. Write 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:46.959 it down. Okay, it's not somewhat of a rivalry. It's 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.400 a rivalry. And when it is, that means you better 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:53.120 strap up. And it's a physical affair. And Jacksonville versus 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:56.440 Tennessee is about being physical. And they were not physical 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:58.439 in that game. They didn't they didn't have a game 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:02.480 plan to be physical, and that was disappointing. Texans have 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:06.280 won the last seven meetings against the Jags and eighteen 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.000 of the last twenty four. 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Jaguars Happy Hours Plucked you buy 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:50.000 Green Finders homes homes that picked your lifestyle and by 0:14:50.040 --> 0:15:00.720 Baptist Health, changing healthcare for good Friendly Well about Jaguars 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:05.160 Happy Hour Tuesday Afternoon, j P, Shadrick, Jeff Flagerman and 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:08.320 that music means it's time for Jaguars dot Com Senior 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:14.920 writer John oser I. I typically watched this show from Afar, 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:17.120 waiting for my chance to go on like the B 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:20.280 Team tomorrow. It Bucky Brooks that's sitting here with Logs. 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:25.000 I mean, this is I'm on his show now now, 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:27.120 this is this is a j P show. No no, no, 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:29.960 I just work here. This is loggs World. Open the 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:35.120 code works right, no doubt so. Alright, today's the tenth 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:39.160 anniversary of the shot Con ownership. I sorry believe it's 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.520 crazy how quick a decade has gone by. And yesterday 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:47.400 he hosted a number of media folks on the yacht downtown. 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.640 You were among those. It's a nice little yacht, not bad. 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:53.320 It's a nice little don't call it a boat. No, 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:56.400 I don't know what to call it. It's it's staggering, 0:15:56.520 --> 0:16:00.320 but it's a yeah. And he uh, yes, spoke to 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:04.080 a lot of us about you know, talk to him 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:07.840 about the Meer situation, talked about his ten years as owner, 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:11.640 uh for about fifty minutes and uh, you know, as 0:16:11.680 --> 0:16:14.200 I say, I'll be happy to over enough for question. Yeah. 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:16.920 So I mean, let's start with the football talk that's 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.720 top of mind for everybody. Or Meyers taking heat from 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:23.400 all over the place, and that means Sean Kan's taking 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:25.000 heat from all over the place as well. How do 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:28.440 you respond to some of that on that front like 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:33.560 he usually does. Uh, he understands the frustration of fans. Uh, 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:39.040 he's his money quote if you will, regarding Urban was 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:43.640 He's not gonna make herkey jerky decisions or you know, 0:16:43.920 --> 0:16:46.680 helter skelter, helter skelter, hookey Jerky's for the same thing. 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:51.040 He's never been one to do that. I can't imagine 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:55.760 him ever beyond just the absolute obvious when uh Gus 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:59.520 Bradley was was let go. He's not a mid season guy, 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:04.520 He's not a after the first season guy. But I 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:09.200 thought he was very clear that um when discussing Urban Meyer, 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:12.920 he said he's going to make the best decision based 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:16.199 on the city, based on the team, etcetera, etcetera. I 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:19.280 really didn't think he leaned one direction or the other. So, uh, 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:22.800 you know, there's four games left in the season. Uh, 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:25.919 there has been bad looks on and off the field. 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:29.320 I think Show just doesn't want to say anything right now. 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:32.399 I didn't get a vibe either way. Uh So I 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:34.239 guess that's the best answer. I think that's what he 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:38.040 was trying to put out that you know, he uh not. 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.919 You know, I didn't want to say anything yesterday, and 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:44.600 I thought he didn't say anything very tactfully. You go 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:48.560 back to what happened in Cincinnati where Urban stayed behind, 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:51.600 and then Sean puts out a statement saying that Urban 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:54.520 has to earn the respect on the trust back, and 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:57.919 he was not did he comment in on any of 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:01.880 that in the progress of that really? Um, I thought 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:08.480 he might. Uh didn't really talk about that comment. Uh, frankly, 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:12.280 because there's been so much else happened since that. I 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:14.680 got the impression that the people asking questions I asked 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:16.600 as a couple at the end or one at the end, 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:20.399 But it felt like the vibe was more about the 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:24.320 reports of the last week and the season overall, And 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:27.000 after about twenty minutes, it got more into shot in 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:30.400 the city. Uh. The urban Meyer questions were about ten 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:33.879 twelve minutes, but it didn't really get to that, didn't 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:36.760 get to that comment. Um, I think that's a a 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:40.520 fair question that probably should have been asked. Jaguars dot 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:43.760 Com senior writer John Osier with us. I saw some 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:46.160 of the quotes that came out, and you know, Gus 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:49.760 Bradley was here for four years, Doug Marone was here 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:52.720 for four years, and it was just the lowly Jaguars 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:54.320 out of the way. There wasn't a lot of noise 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:57.560 around the organization then. But now, well the Jags are 0:18:57.560 --> 0:18:59.879 two and eleven and there's a lot of noise and 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:03.040 lot of eyeballs in the organization. Yeah, and I think 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:08.360 I read some comments from people taking that a bunch 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:11.320 of different ways. I didn't get the feeling that Shod 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:14.280 was saying, Hey, I love the fact that there's a 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:16.520 lot of eyeballs on the organization becomes of the urban. 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:19.760 It didn't feel to me like he was particularly going 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:21.760 a direction with that. I thought he was more just 0:19:21.840 --> 0:19:25.920 making a comment that one reason that these things are 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:29.040 getting played up so much and making such national headlines 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:32.560 is because it's Urban Meyer. Uh. That's the price of 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:36.240 admission when you hire Urban Meyer, uber successful head coach 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:40.879 who is very polarizing. But it I didn't take it 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:42.920 to me, and I didn't feel him going a direction 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:46.639 of that's bad or good. It seemed to me, and 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:49.760 you guys have talked a shot a lot. Sometimes he 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:52.560 just sort of states things, and that's what it felt 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:55.119 like to me that he was more just making the observation, 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:58.400 here's why this is so high profile. Uh. I didn't 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:01.680 feel like he was saying that was bad or good. 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:04.359 Here's not a better answer on here's why it's different, 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:08.640 and that's that's Yeah. And he's a very analytical, very 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:12.760 thoughtful person, and during interviews he does that a lot 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:15.000 where he will just sort of talk about Okay, here's 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:17.240 why I think it got to this point, won't really 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:19.320 offer any commentary on it. And I thought that's what 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:21.439 he was doing there. So how was the food and drink? 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:25.600 It was, Well, you've been on kismet, Well this is 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:29.280 a new one, I think, right, you know, I don't 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:33.119 know from new to good. I know again, it's a 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:37.280 staggering piece of machinery. Yeah, it's pretty much. You enjoy 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:40.880 You probably fish off that a little bit. Yeah, yeah, 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:44.240 let's go a little bit. It was good. It was sliders, 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:47.520 it was apps. I mean, it's very much when you 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:50.200 get a bunch of the media guys. I'm not sure 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:53.600 if you ever saw the movie Caddy Shot, but it's 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:58.280 Caddy Days. It's very much Caddy Day at the pool 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:02.680 and uh that's It didn't take long until the staff 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:05.280 was like, okay, it's it's time for this to end. 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:09.240 And uh, I've by the way, it's fantastic and as 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:13.840 you aptly described that perfectly. Uh, John Ozan with a 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:16.480 Stagguars dot Com senior writer, you mentioned it. Let's dig 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:19.199 a little deeper now into the downtown development portion of 0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:22.600 this thing. That's the next steps. Of course, football Performance 0:21:22.680 --> 0:21:26.440 Center is next up. Their plans in the works for 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:29.679 the Four Seasons and the Shipyards property on top of that, 0:21:30.480 --> 0:21:34.159 and as as Mr Khan said, you know, not a 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:38.240 lot in general has happened downtown in the last ten years, 0:21:38.280 --> 0:21:41.240 but the plan is to make that change very quickly. Well, 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:43.640 and you're not getting too much into the details because 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:45.679 then you're getting into the nuts and bolts. But the 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:50.520 Four Seasons hotel, in the residential center and the office 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:54.800 spaces people see now it he has a vision for 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:58.760 what downtown Jacksonville should look like to grow and he 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:05.960 used the phrase, uh, aspiration, you know, an aspiration point. Um. 0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:10.360 You know, it's clear to me that he feels passionately 0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:13.520 about the Four Seasons working. He made a comment you 0:22:13.560 --> 0:22:15.840 know his name online. We were talking to a reporter about, 0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:18.719 you know, will it work or not? And there's been 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:20.880 people in Jacksonville say, well, why should it be here? 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:23.600 Mark Lampy made a good point that shod wants it 0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:25.520 to be here because he believes it can be here 0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:28.879 and that the city of Jacksonville, Uh, he would like 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:31.240 to see it sort of get on board with that idea. 0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:33.680 That it's okay for this town to have four seasons. 0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:37.119 When I listened to Shot and talked to him about it, 0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:40.120 it's a pride thing. He believes in this in this town. 0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:42.720 He believes this can work and and I believe it 0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:46.280 will reshape everything. And uh I thought the other significant 0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:48.679 thing about this, along these same lines, when they were 0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:53.600 talking about the stadium renovation, uh Mark Lamping made the comment, 0:22:54.119 --> 0:22:59.119 feels better about that than he ever has. Uh Mark's 0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:01.600 not really given to that sort of statement unless he 0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:04.720 feels pretty strongly about it. To me, I just came 0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:09.439 away talking about the renovations, talking about the stadium renovations 0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:13.359 and this improvement. We just saw they feel better about 0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:18.640 the direction of this and the possibilities for it. Before 0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:21.320 I think they hoped and very much believed it would 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:24.440 all be a good thing. Listening to them yesterday, there's 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:27.399 a firm belief that it's going to happen in some capacity, 0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:30.679 and they feel good about that direction. You know, I 0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:32.760 know it's polarizing issue, but I thought it sounded great. 0:23:32.800 --> 0:23:38.040