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Speaker 1: It is Tuesday, December fourteen. This is Jaguars Happy Hour.

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Speaker 1: And now a guy who would be saying his tenth reindeer,

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Speaker 1: but well he's sitting next to Lockerman J P. Shad Rick.

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Speaker 1: There are nine reindeer. Is that accurate? Oh, rudolphs Tonight

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Speaker 1: welcome in its Jaguars Happy Hour. I'm J. P. Shadrick.

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Speaker 1: We've got a busy show ahead, busy two hours in fact, Well,

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Speaker 1: it's Jaguars analyst Jeff Lockman. He's with us. He'll join

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Speaker 1: us here in just a moment. Jaguars dot Com seenior

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Speaker 1: writer John Oser joins us at four fifteen. He was

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Speaker 1: aboard Kismut yesterday some media members invited to visit with

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Speaker 1: Jaguars owner shot Con today, the tenth anniversary of the

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Speaker 1: approval of his purchase of the Jaguars. We'll get John

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Speaker 1: Oser's taken what Mr Kan had to say recapping week fortan.

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Speaker 1: Of course, the Titans over the Jaguars twenty nothing will

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Speaker 1: put that one to bed, thank goodness. And we'll look

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Speaker 1: ahead of week fifteen. The Texans come to town to

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Speaker 1: face the Jaguars, a battle of two and eleven teams

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Speaker 1: and at five o'clock the Urban Meyer Show on the

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Speaker 1: Jaguars Radio Network. We'll hear from Jaguars head coach Urban Meyer.

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Speaker 1: Of course, the Jags fell this past week twenty to nothing,

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Speaker 1: the first shutout lost for the Jaguars since two thousand nine.

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Speaker 1: For the third time this season, they were held to

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Speaker 1: under two hundred yards, only eight rushing yards on eight

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Speaker 1: The defense doing what they can. It was their second

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Speaker 1: best day in terms of total yardage allowed for the season,

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Speaker 1: two d sixty three yards, good in the quick change

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Speaker 1: category after the second half interceptions by Trevor Lawrence. Just

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Speaker 1: not enough full complementary team football this past Sunday, of course,

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Speaker 1: and the Jags take another l in the season, their second,

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Speaker 1: the second five game losing skid of the season. Rban

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Speaker 1: Meyer after the game, I'm talking with Shot Khan about

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Speaker 1: his belief of turning it around. I assured him that

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Speaker 1: we I still believe in my heart we will. How fast,

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Speaker 1: you know that depends on Once again, I still think

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Speaker 1: there's good pieces you watched, and you watched out there today,

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Speaker 1: Miles Jack and that defense and some of those kids.

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Speaker 1: Uh Roy Smoot. I mean I was those guys are

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Speaker 1: playing their tails off. You get a couple of scores

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Speaker 1: on offense, you're right there, and we didn't do it.

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Speaker 1: So what's the answer. Start leaking information or some nonsense. No, no,

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Speaker 1: that's nonsense, that's garbage, that's you know, that's once again

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Speaker 1: I've been very blessed. I'm not really dealt with that.

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Speaker 1: I'm not dealt with Well did you hear what he said? What? No,

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Speaker 1: Let's improve on offense and get our quarterback in a

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Speaker 1: position to be successful. That's our focus. What someone's brother

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Speaker 1: said or someone said, someone said that will that occupy

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Speaker 1: very little my time. And if if there is a source,

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Speaker 1: that source is unemployed, I mean within seconds, if there's

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Speaker 1: some source that's doing it, that's head coach, are buyer.

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Speaker 1: After the game this past Sunday, we welcome in Jeff Logman,

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Speaker 1: of course, Logs. Good afternoon, first afternoon. By the way,

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Speaker 1: who doesn't know that there's nine Reindeer? Well, okay, I

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Speaker 1: mean it's I mean really, I never really, I guess

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Speaker 1: counted them. I don't know there's nine. He's the ninth.

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Speaker 1: Rudolph's the ninth, right, I mean, come on, man. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know Rudolph with his nose, so Bran,

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Speaker 1: I've heard the song, Yes, you never sang the root

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Speaker 1: and you know the song that has the names of

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Speaker 1: the previous eight you never Christmas is coming? Right? When's

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Speaker 1: the Christmas again? Okay? Good this year? Good? Good to know.

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Speaker 1: Um Saturday reports going into Sunday's game about the tension

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Speaker 1: on the staff and the story weekend, and then Sunday's

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Speaker 1: game happened. The Jags were shut out this week and today.

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Speaker 1: In fact, shot Con talking to the media yesterday the

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Speaker 1: tenth anniversary of his ownership, and Con said that basically

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Speaker 1: he's going to do what's best with the team in

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Speaker 1: the city moving ahead. He's not impulsive. This losing now

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Speaker 1: is different than the losing in the past because there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of attention on it and because of the

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Speaker 1: things going on outside the team. There's a lot happening here.

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean there's a lot happening. And I

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Speaker 1: think part of this too is the level of disappointment,

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Speaker 1: because when when you reset the franchise, so to speak,

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Speaker 1: and that you have the first overall picking the draft

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Speaker 1: and you bring on this new regime, you expect some

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Speaker 1: type of improvement, and especially when you get down the

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Speaker 1: of making progress. And this past game was once again

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Speaker 1: a very large step back. And I still believe in him.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I don't believe in him and

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Speaker 1: that that he doesn't have all the tools that that

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Speaker 1: it looks bad. And I think it also what looks

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Speaker 1: then on top of that, there are only eight rushing

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Speaker 1: not exactly scoring a lot of points recently, and they're

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Speaker 1: missing a lot of weapons. So and the and the

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Speaker 1: talk was prior to the game. When I say the talk,

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Speaker 1: you know, Erman was talking about, hey, we need to

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Speaker 1: get back to the foundation of what we are. You know,

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Speaker 1: we wanted to be a team that runs the football

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Speaker 1: and gets behind the offensive line. But you only have

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Speaker 1: eight carries and one of those was actually a scramble

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Speaker 1: by Trevor Lawrence. So there's really only seven called offensive

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Speaker 1: runs in the game and a lot of throws and

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Speaker 1: it was a game. It wasn't like the score was

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Speaker 1: third quarter. Yeah, so that was confusing, I mean really confusing.

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Speaker 1: And uh and and I almost it almost felt because

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Speaker 1: you put so much pressure on Trevor to perform, then

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Speaker 1: you had him trying to do too much and then

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Speaker 1: it leads to four interceptions, which it was not all

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Speaker 1: what people do and rightfully, so if Lavisca lets that

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Speaker 1: he get benched for twenty reps? I mean, because that's

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Speaker 1: what people are waiting to see what happens, Right, James

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Speaker 1: The second one was a very interesting play and in fact,

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Speaker 1: Thursday night. A little tea s there, but to give

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Speaker 1: it to you in summary, the Titans are shown cover

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Speaker 1: zero blitz. They're bringing everybody coming or gonna bring everybody.

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Speaker 1: They're showing that they're all coming. Linebackers are walked up

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Speaker 1: buzzing now in the face of Trevor Lawrence, he drops

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Speaker 1: a poor decision. The last one was Jadon Mickens doesn't

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Speaker 1: Trevor to make that throw. But Jadon Mixins now has

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Speaker 1: to become a defensive back. You can't just sit there

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Speaker 1: and accept the fact that this was a bad ball

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Speaker 1: and that I'm not gonna be able to catch it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it was a bad weekend overall on so many different fronts.

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Speaker 1: Because you had the article that was written by Tom

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Speaker 1: Pelicero and NFL dot Com, and Tom is is as

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Speaker 1: reputable as they come. If he wrote it, then then

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Speaker 1: And my point was is that you know, you you

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Speaker 1: that right? Wrong and different? It's reality, That's what it is.

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Speaker 1: And that's what Mr Kha was saying. And some of

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Speaker 1: Get his thoughts and what Mr Kanna had to say.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot to unpack there, of course, about the

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Speaker 1: So all right, four games to go. This team has

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Speaker 1: scored nine points a game since the bye week on offense.

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Speaker 1: in the running game JP, the first game of the year,

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Speaker 1: you really never established it and you should have established

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Speaker 1: the hard part. And the offensive line, Like, that's what

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's very wise. And I think that

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Speaker 1: that what you really need for young quarterback? I mean,

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Speaker 1: you're you're you're trying to create and facilitate development and

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Speaker 1: it takes time. Now, is making him throw the ball

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Speaker 1: fifty one times? Is that going to accelerate his development?

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Speaker 1: But the problem is that you might risk the opposite

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Speaker 1: think that an interesting argument back and forth is what

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Speaker 1: it's just frustrating JP and I think it's frustrating for

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Speaker 1: everybody involved in the offensive line, which we know that

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Speaker 1: this offensive line is not built to pass protect all

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Speaker 1: there too grow and you know, because you go to

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Speaker 1: other cities and you just you don't have the state.

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Speaker 1: You don't exactly, you don't have the ability. And he said,

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Speaker 1: that's what moves the needle. That's what he was asked specifically,

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Speaker 1: why are you so passionate about Jackson's People always question it?

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Speaker 1: And that's what he said, this is a chance to

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Speaker 1: I don't think he used the word legacy. How many

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Speaker 1: times do you get a chance to move the needle

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Speaker 1: in a good way in a great American city? Very rarely?

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Speaker 1: That really is the power here. Yeah, And you know,

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Speaker 1: I get that people want to question everything these days.

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Speaker 1: I've heard him say that over and over again. You know,

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Speaker 1: I think that's his vision for it, that's his motivation. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's how I feel about it. All right, Hey, thanks

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Speaker 1: for the for coming down to the show. By the way, Johnny,

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Speaker 1: did you hear j P turned forty on Sunday? We

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Speaker 1: we we have to. I'll be honest, here's what a

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Speaker 1: big deal that was. I went, you know, he had

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Speaker 1: a happy hour event. I went, jack you's just seen

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Speaker 1: the line at this place? Really it was three blocks Now.

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Speaker 1: My wife and I said, we can't deal it. We're

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Speaker 1: both in our fifties. We can't be out that late.

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Speaker 1: But evidently it was a shindig man, huh by what happy?

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Speaker 1: But confirm nor deny those those reports. But it is

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Speaker 1: a big number. Yes, congratulations your number, though I'm a

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Speaker 1: little bit behind. John, appreciate it, Man, well done on

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Speaker 1: the reporting. We appreciate that. On Jaguars dot Com, check

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Speaker 1: it out, Jaguars dot Com Senior Writer, we're back in

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Speaker 1: John Oshan giving us the breakdown of the meeting on Kismett.

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Speaker 1: I gotta say that I've always been a big fan

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Speaker 1: of John's and John covered the Jaguars as a beat

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Speaker 1: writer back in the early days with Prisco did and

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Speaker 1: then when John left for a while, he was in

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Speaker 1: writing staff or on the website. And if people have

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Speaker 1: never read John Osher on Jaguars dot com, then they're

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Speaker 1: making a mistake because I literally when we used to

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Speaker 1: prepare prepare for the cults, the cults, pr staff was

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Speaker 1: notorious for having a terrible release to gather information for

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Speaker 1: for a game day broad cast. So what would I do.

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Speaker 1: I would always read John Oshan to get the skinny

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Speaker 1: on what was going on with the cults. And so, folks,

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Speaker 1: if you want the skinny, and I get the skinny

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Speaker 1: too from John still to this day, go to Jaguars

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Speaker 1: dot com because he's simply the best. Sits right here

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Speaker 1: down the hall, and it does a great job and

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Speaker 1: at it for a long long time and has some

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Speaker 1: good stuff on Jaguars owner shot con the Conversation. I

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Speaker 1: haven't read that, but I will. There's two stories up

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Speaker 1: on Jaguars dot com as we speak. I've been here

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Speaker 1: today working with you, so I'll get to it. I

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Speaker 1: enjoy this on every time. You're kind of bringing me down.

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Speaker 1: How is that? I don't know, you know, I mean

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Speaker 1: JP or just look the game and the weekend for

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars did not go well. It was bad. It

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Speaker 1: was really bad. And I think that that has totally

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Speaker 1: brought you down a little bit. And then in turn,

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Speaker 1: you're kind of it's like a vicious cycle. Okay, it

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Speaker 1: brought you down, and then I you know, I was there, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I saw it. It wasn't good. It wasn't a great weekend,

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Speaker 1: and so I kind of bounced back a little bit

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Speaker 1: on Monday, and I come in here and hang out

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Speaker 1: with you and aw and you're trying to bring me down.

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Speaker 1: I'm not It's not accurate at all. First of all,

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Speaker 1: I'm positive guy, and but it's mid December. The team's

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Speaker 1: not playing well and the offense didn't score and no,

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Speaker 1: but there, I'm gonna look, there was a lot of

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Speaker 1: negative to this game. And trust me, I've got a

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Speaker 1: list of negative here. Okay, their offensive lines performance wasn't well,

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Speaker 1: the Trevor appeared to be taking a step back. The

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Speaker 1: commitment to the run game was not there. Those things

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Speaker 1: are all true and they cannot be denied, and especially

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Speaker 1: on a weekend or the stories that were publishing, it

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Speaker 1: kind of becomes dog piling, I guess. But it's turned. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's turned. I mean it, it happens. But I think

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Speaker 1: with all of the negative over the weekend, the one

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Speaker 1: thing that was positive that gets lost in the mix

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Speaker 1: because is of the negativity, which is, like I said, again,

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Speaker 1: it's earned the defensive performance in a game in which

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Speaker 1: the offense did nothing. And it's not the first time

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Speaker 1: that's happened. This not but but here's the reality. The

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Speaker 1: last couple of games, the defense has not been playing

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Speaker 1: particularly well. Going into that game, I think I threw

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Speaker 1: the number out there and I still got it on

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Speaker 1: my board. Here at the Jaguars defense going into Tennessee

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Speaker 1: in the four previous game had had allowed five seventy

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Speaker 1: five yards rushing on d carries. That's a lot. So

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Speaker 1: they weren't up to the standard that they had said

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Speaker 1: earlier in the years. But the one category that they

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Speaker 1: have been good at and they were amazing at it

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Speaker 1: in this past game because the offense through and Trevor

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Speaker 1: Lawrence through four interceptions and I'm not gonna say it

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Speaker 1: was all on Trevor the offense through four interceptions. The

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Speaker 1: Jaguars defense responded in the subsequent Titans possessions to only

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Speaker 1: allow twenty one yards and to allow a field goal

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Speaker 1: three points. That for the season, now, this is an

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Speaker 1: impressive number because the offense has turned it over time.

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Speaker 1: They have only allowed as a defense sixty four points

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Speaker 1: off of those twenty five offensive giveaways. That's amazing, that's

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Speaker 1: really good. And the one thing that's negative that continues

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Speaker 1: to be negative about the Jaguars defense, they're not taking

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Speaker 1: the ball away and that's that's a problem that that

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Speaker 1: they've got to find ways to take the ball away.

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Speaker 1: And the one number that's disturbing they have one one

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Speaker 1: recovered fumble on the air as a defense getting caused

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Speaker 1: fumbles or recovering fumbles as a defense getting takeaways. That's

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Speaker 1: not a talent issue. That's not that's coaching, and that's

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Speaker 1: attention to detail and that's focus and it's not happening

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Speaker 1: for the defense. That's the number that bothers me the

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Speaker 1: most as the defense, because you can do that if

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Speaker 1: you if you coach it up and the players have

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Speaker 1: the awareness for it and they and you have players

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Speaker 1: that realize this is what I need to do, like

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen did a couple of weeks ago, punching the

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Speaker 1: ball out, great play. Where is that from other people

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Speaker 1: on the defense and we're not seeing it. That's clearly

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Speaker 1: an area that Joe Cullen and his coaches coaching staff

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Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball can and should

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Speaker 1: get better at, because, like I said, that is not

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Speaker 1: necessarily a talent issue. But the one thing I will

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Speaker 1: say in their defense, takeaways a lot of times happen

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Speaker 1: when the score differential gets in your favor. So in

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Speaker 1: other words, you're winning, teams feel like they have to press,

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Speaker 1: like Trevor did late in the ball game. Well we're

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Speaker 1: not making anything happen. We gotta force one here, and

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you end up finding a

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Speaker 1: way of making an interception or somebody gets careless with

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Speaker 1: as their teams not playing well, and they're trying to

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Speaker 1: make up for somebody else messing up, and the and

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Speaker 1: the defense doesn't have that ability to be a front

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Speaker 1: running team in a game, to have the opponents make mistakes.

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Speaker 1: Teams that are playing the Jaguars right now, you know

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Speaker 1: what they're thinking is we score seventeen points, w we want?

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Speaker 1: So they're playing conservative. The Tennessee Titans played extremely conservative.

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Speaker 1: How many balls down the field did you see Tanny

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Speaker 1: Hill thrown up? Hardly any? Because there's a mindset now

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Speaker 1: when you play the Jaguars, and it's the right mindset.

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Speaker 1: Don't make a mistake, Just get enough points. They're not

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Speaker 1: good enough on offense to score. Don't don't beat yourself

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Speaker 1: against the Jaguars. And that will be the Texans mindset

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Speaker 1: when they come in here on Sunday as well. Let's

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Speaker 1: take a look at the Houston Texans offense, and they

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Speaker 1: are dead last in the league and a number of categories,

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Speaker 1: including scoring. They are two tenths of a point worse

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Speaker 1: than the Jaguars and points per game. They are last

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Speaker 1: in total offense last and rushing offense thirty feet in

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Speaker 1: passing offense um, they've given the ball away twenty times

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Speaker 1: this season, ten fumbles lost, ten interceptions, which is bottom third. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, so they're not a good offense. They've had

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Speaker 1: so many changes, injuries, guys have moved on. Davis Mills

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Speaker 1: is the quarterback now to him. He just had a

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Speaker 1: seventh start. Yeah, and you know there's talk down there

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Speaker 1: talking to the folks down there today that you know,

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Speaker 1: if this offseason goes a certain way, they might just

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Speaker 1: circle behind him next season. Two. That's all up in

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Speaker 1: the air. Of course, there's still four games left this season.

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Speaker 1: But last week through over three d thirty yards, touchdown.

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Speaker 1: Uh seven starts, as you said, log sixty six passing

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Speaker 1: in those games and eight touchdowns, eight interceptions. Third round

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Speaker 1: pick this year out of Stanford, So he's he's triggering

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Speaker 1: all this right now. Let me just give you, okay.

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Speaker 1: And in these categories, Davis Mills is better than Trevor

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Speaker 1: Lawrence completion percentage, yards per attempt, touchdown percentage, he's better

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Speaker 1: in the interception percentage category. His rating is higher. I

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Speaker 1: mean those numbers. When we look at that as Jaguar fans,

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Speaker 1: we go, wait a minute, wait a minute. This this

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Speaker 1: is a third round pick that's playing for the Texans

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Speaker 1: and we got the first overall pick in the draft,

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Speaker 1: and ours is not playing better than theirs. If you

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Speaker 1: look at those numbers, that would bother you, right concerning Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that and that's and that that's I think that's something

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Speaker 1: that's going forward, that that has to be fixed, and

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Speaker 1: that's not look at the text. You know, people talk

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Speaker 1: talk about and people have used you know, people have

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Speaker 1: used excuses, Oh well, you know we've had injuries or

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Speaker 1: you know, the Jaguars have had injuries, they've lost guys

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Speaker 1: dotata dot name me somebody on the Texans offense. That's

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Speaker 1: a big time weapon. Yeah, you don't have many. I

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Speaker 1: mean there's many. Yeah, I mean cooks. But that's about it.

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Speaker 1: And that's that's stretching it. Okay, yeah, okay then or

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Speaker 1: I mean is it so? Is is it a weapon's

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Speaker 1: issue for Trevor m That's my point is that you

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Speaker 1: have enough weapons to where the performance can and should

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Speaker 1: be better right now, especially at this point of the

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Speaker 1: season when he has the number of snaps that he

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Speaker 1: has under his belt. That's got to get better for

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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence. And I'm not pointing a finger at him.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's that's a finger that gets pointed

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Speaker 1: at the entire process, you know, that gets pointed at coaches,

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Speaker 1: at at the program, at ever his teammates. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's better, absolutely Houston defense. I guess what, they haven't

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Speaker 1: played much better than the offense has done in Houston

632
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Speaker 1: this year. This is far from the Texans defense of

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Speaker 1: about five years ago. All those guys are gone now.

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Speaker 1: They sent away that Cunningham last week. They waived him

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Speaker 1: and supposedly violated some team rules. Tardiness, et cetera was

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Speaker 1: an issue with him in Houston. Well he's gone. Now

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Speaker 1: he's with the Titans, and they'll get to figure it out.

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Speaker 1: Which Mike Rabel coached him when Mike was a coach

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Speaker 1: with Houston Texans. And so here's here's my thing on

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Speaker 1: that Mike knows him obviously very well if he coached him,

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Speaker 1: and then he picks him up. And that was a

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Speaker 1: waiver claim as it was, And where the Jaguars at

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Speaker 1: in the waiver claim more, they're right up there near

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Speaker 1: the top. I wonder if that was considered just a thought.

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Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to that. I'm saying that

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Speaker 1: because I can tell you that us Zack Cunningham. I

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Speaker 1: haven't watched him, and I don't know what happened with

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Speaker 1: the issues this year. But when you watch Zack Cunningham,

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Speaker 1: I think it was a second round pick. Maybe a

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Speaker 1: first round pick. I can't remember, because he's a high pick.

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Speaker 1: He's a really good football player, really good football player,

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Speaker 1: can play in space, he's fast, he can blitz, he

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Speaker 1: can do a lot of different things. And I don't

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Speaker 1: know cat numbers, I don't know guaranteed money because all

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Speaker 1: of those things have to factor in. But when you

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Speaker 1: find out that somebody was available and you go, okay,

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Speaker 1: that was an opportunity for this team to maybe acquire

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Speaker 1: some better talent, I'm going, well, I wonder why they

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Speaker 1: didn't do that. Thinking out loud, is that cutting him?

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Speaker 1: Second round pick out of Vanderbilt? Um? It was the

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Speaker 1: least leading tackler last year. He's a Pro Bowl at

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Speaker 1: at one point he was considered a Pro Bowl type

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Speaker 1: caliber linebacker. And who is the other guy that was

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Speaker 1: in the middle with him? It was that Cunningham and

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Speaker 1: hard head, I mean, just a tough, physical linebacker. About

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Speaker 1: Bernardrick McKinney. Yeah, those two guys when when when they

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Speaker 1: were you know, with J J and Rciless. I mean

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Speaker 1: that that that was a good defense, good defense, and

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Speaker 1: that Cunningham was a big part of it. So uh,

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Speaker 1: it will be a totally different looking group when they

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Speaker 1: come rolling in here this Sunday, will return and take

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Speaker 1: a look at the Baptist Health Injury report for the Jags,

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Speaker 1: will look at the a f C South standings though

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Speaker 1: you have a pretty good idea, and we'll get our

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Speaker 1: final thoughts. And then at five o'clock the Irvin Meyers

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Speaker 1: Show here from the Jaguars head coach, as always on

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Speaker 1: Tuesday afternoon, get his thoughts, final thoughts on last week's game,

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Speaker 1: moving ahead to the Texans, and much much more coming

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Speaker 1: up from the head coach. This is Jaguars Happy Hour

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Speaker 1: on the Jaguars Digital Network. Welcome back. It's Jaguars Happy

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Speaker 1: Hour Tuesday afternoon. Coming up in about ten minutes, the

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Speaker 1: Urban Meyers Show on the Jaguars Radio Network. If you're

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Speaker 1: here on Jaguars Happy Hour. Glad you're along with us.

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Speaker 1: The Baptist Health Injury Report Baptist Health changing healthcare for good.

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Speaker 1: Urban Meyer Monday said Carlos hide was a concussion protocol.

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Speaker 1: Of course. Brandon Linder missed last week's game with a

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Speaker 1: back issue. There are six players on the reserve injured list,

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Speaker 1: and we've got four games to go. We'll maybe get

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Speaker 1: some more from urban Meyer would guess maybe Wednesday when

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Speaker 1: he speaks with the media on the injury set up.

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Speaker 1: Of course, that's when the the injury report starts coming

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Speaker 1: out Wednesday, Thursday, Friday each week, and as you would

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Speaker 1: expect this time of year logs, you're gonna have a

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Speaker 1: longer list because of the way the season goes. That's

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Speaker 1: what it is. It's just it's this part of it

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Speaker 1: um and it's not easy to fight through. I can

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Speaker 1: tell you that at the end of the year. It

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Speaker 1: when you're when you're losing and then you have physical

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Speaker 1: ailments on top, it even makes it more difficult. And then,

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Speaker 1: and for part of that reason, that's one of the

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Speaker 1: things I say that this defense should be also not

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Speaker 1: forgotten about how good of a performance that was from

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Speaker 1: this game, because when you have an offense that has

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Speaker 1: had the number of weeks of lack of performance, then

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Speaker 1: it's easy probably just to say, here we go again.

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Speaker 1: You know, why should I play hard? We don't have

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Speaker 1: a chance, and the the motivation just evaporate eights and

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Speaker 1: for this defense to continue to play as hard as

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Speaker 1: they did, I thought. I thought that was impressive. And

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Speaker 1: some guys that I thought played really well defensively, and

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Speaker 1: I just want to mention some names here, Okay, I

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Speaker 1: thought Campbell played solid. It's not like the Titans were

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Speaker 1: throwing the ball a lot, so it wasn't a lot

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Speaker 1: of expected out of him. But you could feel the

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Speaker 1: difference that Shaq Griffin provided in that game because he

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Speaker 1: was matched up against Julio a little bit and right

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Speaker 1: from the onset he established with that open field tackle

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Speaker 1: that hey, I'm here to play, and he made a difference.

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Speaker 1: I thought his play was strong. Josh Allen was just

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Speaker 1: kind of that's been about three weeks now, three games

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Speaker 1: for Josh Allen to where you haven't seen a strong performance.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just thinking out loud here, but at the

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Speaker 1: beginning of the Atlanta game he sustained what appeared to

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Speaker 1: be a shoulder injury. Is that affecting him now and

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Speaker 1: affecting his ability to perform? He's been on the report

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Speaker 1: at least was last week with that. So Damian Wilson

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Speaker 1: had a sack on a blitz tin tackles. I thought

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Speaker 1: he was outstanding, outstanding. Malcolm Brown was solid as normal.

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Speaker 1: I thought, uh week before, pushed around a little bit

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Speaker 1: of the Atlanta game, pushed around a little bit. I

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Speaker 1: thought he bounced back. Roy Robertson Harris was a beast.

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Speaker 1: I mean a beast, smooth the week before. Strong. The

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Speaker 1: only thing that I would criticize Smooth on is that, dude,

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Speaker 1: you can't line up all sides if you're dropping from

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Speaker 1: the linebacking spot. Come on, man, I can't do that.

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Speaker 1: But he was. But he was strong. He had a

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Speaker 1: good performance again. You know, he got five sacks last year,

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Speaker 1: he had a career high five and a half. He's

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Speaker 1: on pace to have a career high. And I've I

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Speaker 1: said this last week. He's tough, he plays hard, he's tenacious,

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Speaker 1: and and you gotta love players like him, love him.

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Speaker 1: But Roy Robertson Harris, I think is a guy that

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Speaker 1: when they acquired him, they were talking about how they

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Speaker 1: didn't know how high the ceiling really was us. That

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Speaker 1: game gave you a glimpse of, Wow, this guy could

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Speaker 1: have a much higher ceiling than what they're paying for

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Speaker 1: in free agency. You rarely get that, rarely get that.

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Speaker 1: So I really like his performance, and I think he's

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Speaker 1: gotten better and better and better. And obviously he had

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Speaker 1: the ankle injury or early in the season, he bounced

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Speaker 1: back from it a little bit, and you could tell

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Speaker 1: that he's kind of fighting and kind of find his way.

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Speaker 1: The last couple of weeks, his performance has been really good,

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Speaker 1: really good. And the one guy, though, I will say

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Speaker 1: that did not have a good performance on defense, Tavin

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Speaker 1: Bryant was not good, which was kind of surprising. He

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Speaker 1: had been playing okay and and I had a game

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Speaker 1: a couple of games there where he played pretty good.

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Speaker 1: He was not good in this game. And Miles Jack,

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Speaker 1: where where are the impact plays that Miles Jack has

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Speaker 1: made in the past. You know what I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: players on the ball, calls, fumbles, recovered fumbles, interceptions, past defense.

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Speaker 1: It's part of it, the posit issue. He's back in

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Speaker 1: the middle of a three four Now what is it.

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Speaker 1: It's outside a year ago or no. I just I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't, I don't think so. I mean they're playing

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Speaker 1: his own defense. You got your eyes back to the

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Speaker 1: to the ball. It's an opportunity to make more plays.

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Speaker 1: And and I just and look, I'm not he's not

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Speaker 1: playing bad. I'm just saying that I thought, and I

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Speaker 1: think he's got another level that the what he what

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Speaker 1: he's the level he sat in seventeen. I haven't seen it, Okay.

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Speaker 1: I was hoping he would be able to get back

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Speaker 1: to some of that and uh not. Not not a

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Speaker 1: great year for him. You know what the good news

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Speaker 1: is about this defense continuing to improve. But Miles Jack

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Speaker 1: will knock your socks off. I mean he's punishing guys still,

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Speaker 1: He's still extremely physical. But I mean the impact plays,

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Speaker 1: the game changing plays, We're not seeing some of those

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Speaker 1: names you listed off earlier, Robertson, Harris Wilson, Um, the

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Speaker 1: one smoot, they're all on multi of your deals here.

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Speaker 1: This there's a good core of this defense. It's going

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Speaker 1: to be together for at least another year, if not

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Speaker 1: longer than that of Jack Griffin signed a longer deal.

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Speaker 1: So still need still needs a dominant inside kind of

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Speaker 1: pass rusher that can affect the quarterbacks play. And everybody

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Speaker 1: wants Aaron Donald, but they only got only made one

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Speaker 1: of them. And so but can you find somebody that

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Speaker 1: can give you something on the inside you need it? Veterans,

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Speaker 1: choose v A for the benefits you've earned. Visit choose

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Speaker 1: dot v A dot gov. Let's take a look at

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Speaker 1: the a f C South standings and as you would expect,

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Speaker 1: they have not changed. The Tennessee Titans are in control

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Speaker 1: of the a f C South nine and four, four

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Speaker 1: and one in the division, Indie seven and six, three

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Speaker 1: and two in the division, Houston two and eleven there

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Speaker 1: are two wins have been in the division, and Jacksonville

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Speaker 1: two and eleven. They are oh for four in the

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Speaker 1: a f C South. Upcoming schedules only four weeks remaining

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Speaker 1: in one campaign, and of course, the Jaguars this week

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Speaker 1: faced the Houston Texans here at home, at the Jets

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Speaker 1: at New England, and then home against Indy, and I

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Speaker 1: must say my lock from Monday a couple of weeks

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Speaker 1: ago of the Jaguars sweeping the a f C East

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00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: is not looking great. The Texans, of course, here this

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Speaker 1: the Colts New England in Indy at Arizona home against

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Speaker 1: Vegas at Jacksonville, and then Tennessee with a tough one

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Speaker 1: at Pittsburgh. That's not a tough home against San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: It's a pretty tough game against Miami and then at Houston.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'll give you that. It's not a super

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Speaker 1: tough schedule for anybody. Really, there is the Colts, New England, Arizona,

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Speaker 1: Vegas j come in a Week eight team. The first

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Speaker 1: three games for Indianapolis is that's a pretty tough matchup.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Mike Rabel would absolutely be in the

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Speaker 1: conversation for NFL Coach of the Year because if you

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Speaker 1: look at that Titans football team and you and you

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Speaker 1: really look closely, I like I like John Robinson, their

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Speaker 1: general manager. I think he's done a pretty good job.

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Speaker 1: But he hasn't been perfect. Make no mistake, he has

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Speaker 1: not been perfect. And Mike very well, I think has

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Speaker 1: gotten more out of less than what a lot of

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Speaker 1: coaches get out of football teams. He's done a really

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Speaker 1: good job and had their big workhorse a lot of

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Speaker 1: the season and they are right there at the top

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Speaker 1: and with a chance to fight for that number one

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Speaker 1: seed in the A F. C. Urban Meyer Show is

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Speaker 1: coming up in just about a minute and a half

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Speaker 1: or so. What do you want to hear from Urban tonight? Well,

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Speaker 1: a couple of things. One about the commitment of the

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Speaker 1: running game or lack thereof, and then the other thing

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Speaker 1: that was a little bit disturbing. You saw that kind

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Speaker 1: of key Keystone Cops play where wide receivers run into

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Speaker 1: each other and it doesn't look good and like what

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Speaker 1: are you doing? And then there were a couple other

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Speaker 1: instances in the game where the wide receivers space scene

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Speaker 1: where that they got in the same neighborhood. And for

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Speaker 1: a quarterback, especially a young quarterback, if you're not having

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Speaker 1: precision by the people around you, makes it extremely difficult

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Speaker 1: for any young quarterback to have success. And that's got

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Speaker 1: to get cleaned up. So we need to ask him

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Speaker 1: about that as well. Yeah, a lot of noise around

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Speaker 1: the organization right now, too. How can he ignore a

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Speaker 1: lot of that and get this team playing better football

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Speaker 1: as a whole? Here from the head coach coming up

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