1 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: It's now officially open. 2 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 2: Welcome to an episode of the Draft Season. I am 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 2: John Schmelk. Thank you so much for being with us. 4 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 2: So I record an episode with Tony Pauline and Dave 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 2: Sivertson from our Lads dot Com. We went around an 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 2: hour and fifteen minutes, so that's too long for one 7 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 2: episode to be quite frank with you, so we've decided 8 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 2: to split into two parts. 9 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: The first part is what you're gonna hear today. 10 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: It's talking about the great weekend of college football that 11 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 2: happened on September twenty eighth and a couple of days 12 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 2: before that. 13 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: And then the second half of. 14 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 2: The show we talked about ranking the best position groups 15 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 2: in the draft. We won another forty minutes or so 16 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 2: on that. So that's gonna air in a week or two, 17 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 2: depending on when we want to air it. So that's 18 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: the two episodes we're gonna lead off again. Draft Season 19 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: is brought to you by Moodis, a prat sponsored the 20 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 2: New York Giants. 21 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about this week's games. There are so 22 00:00:57,720 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: many good ones. 23 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 2: Again, we go like thirty forty minute that'll be these 24 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 2: week's episode, and then you stay tuned either next week 25 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 2: when the Giants played the Eagles of the week after 26 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 2: that will air the other episode talking about and ranking 27 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 2: the top position groups in this year's draft. So here's 28 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 2: part one of our conversation Tony Pauline and Dave Sivertson. 29 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of Draft Season, presented by Moody's, 30 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 2: a proud sponsor of the New York Football Giants. I 31 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 2: am John Schmelk. Tony Pauline is always some sports keeter 32 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 2: with us, and we welcome in a guest this week, 33 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 2: second straight week Dave Sivertson. He covers the draft and 34 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:32,839 Speaker 2: does the Hour Lads Draft Guide. 35 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: Dave, Welcome, How are you man? 36 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 3: Ray, guys really really pumped to see you guys do 37 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 3: some of the best work out there with the draft coverage. 38 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 3: I'm so glad to see you guys are starting out 39 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 3: this early because it really is it's a twelve month process. 40 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 3: It does not sleep. A lot of people play catch 41 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 3: up in January, and it's kudos to you guys for 42 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 3: putting that out there now for these people to watch. 43 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, for first year, Tony, I think we started in 44 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: like November, right something like that, and then we decided, 45 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 2: you know, what. There's enough content every week to kind 46 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: of track it. You do show and it really because 47 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 2: the the draft analysis process is really like a journey, 48 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 2: right Tony, where you see where the guy is, where 49 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 2: he starts, and how the season goes. 50 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: And I think it's good to track it. 51 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 2: And it gives you a much better feel for these 52 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 2: guys when you get to, you know, the All Star 53 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 2: games in January. 54 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 4: They only I disagree with you use the word season. 55 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 4: I use seasons because I usually have the years of 56 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 4: notes on the guys, just just track them throughout their 57 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 4: college career. One of those players we're going to talk about, 58 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 4: but you know, I gotta pass on a funny story. 59 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 4: Our Lads was actually the first draft publication that I 60 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 4: bought in my life in the mid to late eighties 61 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 4: when they Hepplers used to run the used to run 62 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,239 Speaker 4: the guy. I absolutely enjoyed it, and to this day 63 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 4: I still use the Our Lads depth charts when I'm 64 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 4: watching film. I have my tablet. I don't have an 65 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 4: ipaty Samsung. I got my tablet from me with the 66 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 4: depth chart for Buffalo or Cincinnati or you know whoever, 67 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 4: and you know, the guys I'm watching I'm under the 68 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 4: guys want to maybe keep an eye on they got 69 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 4: exes next to them, the guys who are none of 70 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 4: my database getting checked. So it's been ongoing process and 71 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 4: our ledge has been a large part of it for 72 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 4: as far as I'm as far as my journeys concerned. 73 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: How do you track all those depth charts? Si? 74 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 2: I mean to me, I can't imagine the amount of 75 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: work that goes into that, especially for some of these 76 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 2: smaller programs that As someone that called FCS games on 77 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 2: on on TV for a while, I know sometimes the 78 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 2: media sites and the notes don't exactly give you the 79 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: most accurate depth charts. 80 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 1: So how do you How do you guys get those 81 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:31,799 Speaker 1: things straight? 82 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 3: Man? 83 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: It's really impressive. 84 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 3: Well, I was sort of said, I mean they're they're 85 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 3: forty forty five years old now, and it just it 86 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 3: takes a team, and we have some some really smart 87 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 3: techy guys in the background helping us out create some data. 88 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 3: But it really does. I'll tell you what. It comes 89 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 3: down to fans sometimes reaching out to us saying like hey, 90 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 3: this guy is actually the second string left tackle and 91 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 3: this guy is the third string right guard. I mean, 92 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 3: we get it right, I would say ninety five percent 93 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 3: of the time. Uh, but we actually have really crowdsource 94 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 3: a lot of the information. We cross check everything we do, 95 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 3: and we have a great team of guys that we 96 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 3: know our roles and we it's it's twenty four seven, 97 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 3: three sixty five, but it's if there were twenty five 98 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 3: hours in the day, we would put twenty five hours 99 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 3: into it this time of year. 100 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 4: All right, No, that's sure because I know with the 101 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 4: late transfer portal, I missed out a couple of guys. 102 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 4: Hey he's not on Maryland anymore, he's not on Arborn. 103 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 3: So they'll let you know. 104 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh they will absolutely right. 105 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 2: All right, guys, just an unbelievable weeknd of college football. 106 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 2: Week one was great this year, but this one probably 107 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 2: topped it. A lot of great games. When we gets 108 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 2: to a lot of them, and then our second half 109 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 2: of the episode today, folks will be ranking the quality 110 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 2: of the position groups, so we're not too and we'll 111 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 2: mention some players in the groups obviously, but what position 112 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 2: groups the best, and then go down from best to 113 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 2: maybe the one that we think has some players that 114 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: still has to prove themselves in it. So that's what 115 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: we're gonna do on today's episode, But let's start it off, 116 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 2: guys with Ohio State and Washington Tony. This was game 117 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 2: we talked about with Dame Brugler last week. Ohio State 118 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 2: really handles Washington twenty four to six. And I know 119 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 2: you have one offensive player on your list you want 120 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:09,799 Speaker 2: to get to, but to me, this was really about 121 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 2: the Ohio State defense and especially their defensive front. You 122 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 2: had a bunch of sacks, Kaden Curry, Kayden McDonald, Kenyatta Jackson. 123 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 2: They all played well who'd you like in this game 124 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 2: for Ohio State? 125 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 4: And it didn't start off like that because if you 126 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 4: watch the game, the Washington offensive line actually moved the 127 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 4: ball for the first quarter and a half. They just 128 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 4: couldn't convert. But I mean you watched CJ. Donaldson, the 129 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 4: transfer from West Virginia who came into the season with 130 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 4: late round bridge. I mean, that guy's a hammer. He's 131 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 4: not Quinn Shawn Jenkins. But if you're looking for a 132 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 4: late round, short yardage ball carrier that can pick it 133 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 4: up on third and two or in goal line situations, 134 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 4: will also show himself to be a decent receiver out 135 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 4: of the backfield. I think he's established or is establishing 136 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 4: himself well at Ohio State. And then you mentioned those 137 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 4: three defensive linemen. I think we're seeing the coming of 138 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 4: age of those guys, especially the two underclassmen Kenyatta Jackson 139 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 4: and Kayden McDonald. These are guys who really didn't get 140 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 4: a lot of playing time last year because that Ohio 141 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 4: State defensive line was so talented, and they're now all 142 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 4: on NFL rosters. These guys are getting there, getting their 143 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 4: playing time, and you're seeing them elevate their game. Cayden Curry, 144 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 4: he's the Jack Sawyer type, if you will, had a 145 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 4: great game against Washington. These guys are gonna be fun 146 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 4: to track. Kenyana Jackson, I think a lot of people 147 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 4: knew about coming into the season. We talked about him 148 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 4: in August. But these other guys, as they're getting more 149 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 4: and more playing time after being substitutes and rotational guys 150 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 4: last year, are really starting to seat their own level 151 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 4: and gain the notice of scouts. 152 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: Sy what what jumped out to you in this game? 153 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: You can kind of double up on Tony's guys or 154 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 2: if anyone else you want to touch on as well. 155 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I like how Tony he noted the receiving 156 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 3: skill set, natural pass catching of CJ. Donaldson six two 157 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 3: thirty two. He was a high school tight end. He 158 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 3: didn't make the transition full time running back until he 159 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 3: was at West Virginia and he was the number two 160 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 3: guy there a couple years in a row. Did not 161 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 3: fumble twenty three, twenty twenty sorry, twenty twenty three to 162 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 3: twenty twenty four until the very last game the Bowl 163 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 3: game last year. Put it on the ground twice. Big 164 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 3: power guy. He doesn't do a lot after contact for 165 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 3: a guy with this build and lack of agility, So 166 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 3: I wonder if he could be anything more than a 167 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 3: late day three pick. But he's a guy that you feel. 168 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 3: I think there's an intriguing upside to him because of 169 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 3: that tight end background that has translated to his tape 170 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 3: so far in college. And I mean he hit the 171 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 3: nail on the head of the defensive line. Kennetta Jackson 172 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 3: to me six five, two sixty five. Defensive line coaches, 173 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 3: you'll you call it right now. When those guys get 174 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 3: involved in the scouting process after the season, they're going 175 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:45,559 Speaker 3: to start drooling over him. He's got tools for days, 176 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 3: he's he's long, he's strong, he's thick, he can bend, 177 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 3: just has not really developed the wide arsenal pass rush moves. 178 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 3: But at the very least he can play with that 179 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 3: high floor. He's of the power. But the guy I 180 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 3: am intrigued with the most it is Kadi McDonald six 181 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 3: three three twenty six. Larry Johnson, best defensive line coach 182 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 3: in college football right now. He's recently put in tidek Williams, 183 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 3: Ty Hamilton, Davon Hamilton, Mike Halt into the NFL. This 184 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 3: guy will be next. I don't know if he'll come 185 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 3: out this year, but if the Washington game is an 186 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 3: indicator that you see a six three to three twenty 187 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 3: six guy that can penetrate and change direction in a 188 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 3: defensive tackle class right now, that is a little little uneven. 189 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 3: Even the top guys have not played well this year. 190 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 3: He could probably bring something to the table and then say, hey, 191 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 3: I might be the top de tackle the nation right now. 192 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:33,839 Speaker 2: All right, I want to show some love for one 193 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 2: player on Washington and this is someone Tony that we 194 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 2: talked about last week heading into the game. 195 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: Jonah Coleman. They're a nice job in this game. 196 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 2: Man thirteen carries seventy yards Obviously, this game was tighter 197 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 2: than maybe the final score might have indicated. 198 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: It was just fourteen to six through three quarters. 199 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 2: Washington was able to stick with the run game, and 200 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 2: I thought, Jonah Coleman and you just mentioned how good 201 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 2: this Ohiose defensive front. Look, tony thirteen carries seventy yards. 202 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 2: That's pretty good. 203 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 4: But if you look early in that game, I thought 204 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 4: the Washington offensive line actually played well. That that was 205 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 4: the thirty four yards runn he had. There was some 206 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 4: beautiful blocking up front, the lane whage player. Yet Colman 207 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 4: played well. It's just that I think eventually the Ohio 208 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 4: State defensive line just overwhelmed the Washington offensive line, who 209 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 4: was playing well early in the game. 210 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: Syving Coleman. 211 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 3: Jonan Coleman a lot twitchier than I thought. I did 212 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 3: watch his tape coming into this year, and it did 213 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 3: seem like he was a little sluggish with some of 214 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 3: his lateral movement. That was not the case early in 215 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 3: this game. I mean, he gets his feet off the 216 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 3: ground and I'll tell you what he can get drafted 217 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 3: for his pass protection alone. I mean, this is a 218 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 3: complete back. He's very physical. Nine twenty eight. We're skiing 219 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 3: it right, now with Kim Scataboo that that build, it 220 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 3: translates to the next level. These guys are just hard 221 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 3: to get to the ground, They're hard to square up, 222 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 3: and he brings that mentality that you need with that 223 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 3: build as well. 224 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 2: So obviously the next game we're going to touch on here, guys. 225 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 2: LSU Ole Miss obviously a big topic of discussion the 226 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 2: Giants locker room this week. I'm sure between Jackson Dart 227 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,839 Speaker 2: and the Leak Neighbors, two guys that obviously from rival 228 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 2: programs that played each other in college and obviously terrible. 229 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: What happened the Bleak Neighbors this week. It's awful, just sucks. 230 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: But Ole Miss. 231 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 2: I ran to Jackson Dort in the cafeteria this morning. 232 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 2: I asked him, Hey, Jackson, I know you're getting ready 233 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 2: for the game. You have a chance to watching Ole 234 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 2: Miss LSUS. Got this big smile, he goes, yeah, I 235 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 2: did so, Jackson Dart a pretty good week Ole Miss 236 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 2: beating LSU twenty four to nineteen in that game. But Tony, 237 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 2: you want to start out with the LSU quarterback Garren 238 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 2: nuss Meyer, who I know some people have as a 239 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 2: number one quarterback. I'm not sure he's played to that 240 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 2: so far this year. I'm a fan of his two. 241 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 2: What do you think enough in this game? 242 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 4: I think all the red flags about nus Meyer you 243 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 4: saw on Saturday. He doesn't have the great arm, he 244 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 4: doesn't have the great physical skills. Sometimes he's off the market. 245 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 4: He has receivers adjusting to eric Ros or leaving their feet. 246 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 4: He throws the ball into double or triple coverage at times, 247 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 4: as you saw consistently on Saturday. I mean there was 248 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 4: one instance where early in the third quarter where it 249 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 4: looked like LSU was going to get back in the game. 250 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 4: The intercept the past, they bring it down to old 251 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,559 Speaker 4: missus thirty one yard line. Nus s Meyer couldn't convert. 252 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 4: So you know, there's a lot of love out there 253 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 4: for nus Meyer outside the scouting community, in the Twitter 254 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 4: draft world. I just think that all the red flans 255 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 4: onnus Myer we saw on Saturday, and it's a major concern. 256 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 4: He tries to throw himself out of trouble times, but 257 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 4: he doesn't have the arm string to throw himself out 258 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 4: of trouble. And that's going to be I think the 259 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 4: talking point, as you know Si said, I talked about 260 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 4: how many people get involved in the draft in January 261 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 4: when all the talking heads get involved, you know, does 262 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 4: Nusmeyer have the arm string? Does he have the physical 263 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 4: skills to be started to be an early pick in 264 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 4: the first round come April. 265 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm a huge was a huge nuts Meyer 266 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 3: fan heading into the year. I did think that if 267 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 3: he came out last season, he could have been QB one. 268 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 3: That was my projection of him at this time last year, 269 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 3: at the end of the twenty twenty four seas. But 270 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 3: even I he's been terrible this year in relation to 271 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 3: that projection. He's not been that guy. In my scouting nose. 272 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 3: Coming into the season, I said, hey, you got you 273 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 3: got to get rid of the what are you doing 274 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 3: moments like these, these head scratching moves, these you know, 275 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 3: eye opening bad decisions. And that's exactly what happened at 276 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 3: Ole Miss. I mean Kelly, he comes out the sideline 277 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 3: and Kelly looks at me and goes, what are you doing? 278 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 3: With an extra explicity in there, and you know, for 279 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 3: a fifth year senior coach's son that knows the game 280 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 3: like the back of his hand, these are red flags 281 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 3: because the mind game is where he can make up 282 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 3: for the lack of tools. He's not big, he's not 283 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 3: fast as armors average. But at the end of the day, 284 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 3: he's six and four against the SEC with twenty touchdowns 285 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 3: fifteen interceptions, and I mean I circle back to the 286 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,319 Speaker 3: to the the interception in the third quarter. They're up 287 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 3: by ten. It's third and twenty seven against Florida, and 288 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 3: he throws the ball as he's running out of bounds 289 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 3: into the middle of field and it ends up getting 290 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 3: picked off. Now, I saw cam Moore to make that 291 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 3: same exact throw against Duke lash Year, similar situation. But 292 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 3: sometimes these guys they need to understand game situation decisions. 293 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 3: We know he's smart, we know he knows the game 294 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 3: and grow up around it. But when you're in the 295 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 3: heat of the moment, you have to take what the 296 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 3: defenses gives you and stop trying to force the ball 297 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 3: into windows that your arm cannot handle. 298 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 2: Tony inside, Tony, you go first inside, you can build 299 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 2: on it. Who else from this game jumped out of chick. 300 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 4: Well dickque we'rewide of Mississippi. I mean, he's six 'y three, 301 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 4: he's two hundred and forty five and fifty pounds. He 302 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 4: runs in the four to sixes. He's a terrific athlete 303 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 4: at the tight end position. Four receptions for sixty six yards. 304 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 4: I wish they would use him more in that Mississippi 305 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 4: offense of the lane Kiffin seems adverse at times they're 306 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 4: using the tight end. But this is a guy who 307 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 4: has all the physical skills to play on Sunday. He 308 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 4: needs to polish his game. I don't know that he's 309 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 4: going to get that opportunity at Mississippi in this offense. 310 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 4: And I think what's going to happen is as we 311 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 4: get closer to the draft, people are going to start 312 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 4: to talk about his tools, start to talk about his 313 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 4: straights when the ball has drawn to him. The tape 314 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 4: is pretty good, but the opportunities just have not been there. 315 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 4: He was good last year, He's shown the ability. He's 316 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 4: shown some improvement this year. He's more of a moved 317 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 4: tight end, a bad block in Atlants on the block 318 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 4: that much. He's had his fourtape, They get him out 319 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 4: in the space, have moved around. I use him as 320 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 4: a receiver at the tight end position. This guy's got 321 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 4: a lot of upside and it's what teams really are 322 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 4: looking for these days. In the NFL at that position. 323 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 3: Incredibly soft hands six four to two fifty five, and 324 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 3: like you said, that offense is not set up to 325 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 3: give him the opportunities on tape to project the NFL. 326 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 3: I mean, he hasn't had a contested target yet this year, 327 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 3: but when he does get the ball in his hand, 328 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 3: he is dangerous. You're not going to find many two 329 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,040 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty pound tight ends that can move like him. 330 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 3: I mean, we're just a few weeks since the season. 331 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 3: He's got catches of twenty six, thirty eight, fifty three 332 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 3: and sixty four yards already. The thirteen point The thirteen 333 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 3: point yards after catch per reception is second in the 334 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 3: nation wide receiver and tight end with guys over ten catches. 335 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 3: That list is three hundred and seventy five players d 336 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 3: He's second in the country behind Branch from Georgia in 337 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 3: terms of what he's doing after the catch. Those big 338 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 3: chunk plays have kind of weighed that a little bit. 339 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 3: But you know, he's also six in the country in 340 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 3: that group with twenty three point three yards per catch. 341 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 3: As a tight end that's not two hundred and twenty pounds. 342 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 3: This guy's a legitimate tight end. And I did. I 343 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 3: watch a lot of his blocking tape and he's not 344 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 3: a difference maker there, but he stays on his man, 345 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 3: he moves his feet, and he tries hard. I mean 346 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 3: that that's where you just want to start. So that 347 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 3: program they think he's going to be a first round pick, 348 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 3: I'm not there. But he is definitely qualified to be 349 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 3: labeled a starting caliber prospect, which to me is day two. 350 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 4: Put him on, you put him on. It seemed like 351 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 4: Missouri that uses the tight ends. Even Miami, it's probably 352 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 4: a different story. 353 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I'll tell you what. The other guy 354 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 3: from miss Mississippi that I liked is this linebacker soun 355 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 3: Reen Perkins. He's an edge defender in their scheme. But 356 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 3: it's funny, same last name, reminds me of Harold Perkins. 357 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 3: Just not big enough to play on the outside of 358 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 3: the next level. But all he does is produce. I mean, 359 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 3: he's been a rock solid player. He was all over 360 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 3: the field. He plays fast, he plays stronger than his 361 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 3: side suggests. I think we're looking at six three, two thirty. 362 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 3: I've really highly tauted to recruit Alabama, wanted them, Lsu, Georgia, 363 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 3: organ all those teams were going hard after him. He 364 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 3: was thirteen All SEC last year, fourteen and a half 365 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 3: tackles for loss. He gets like Harold Perkins. He finishes 366 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 3: when he gets near the action, he gets behind, he 367 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 3: can slitherer through blocks, He's great at locating the football 368 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 3: and he finishes. And I think there's a spot for 369 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 3: him somewhar at the next level as a Day two, 370 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 3: maybe early Day three prospect. 371 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 2: Dan Olmoss wins that game twenty four to nineteen and 372 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 2: by the way, he's not gonna get drafted, but give 373 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: the ole Miss quarterbacks some credit Division two trans for 374 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 2: a Fairris State right, If I remember correctly, Trinidad chamber 375 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 2: is twenty three to thirty nine, three hundred and fourteen 376 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 2: yards in a tight against a LSU defense, specifically a 377 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 2: secondary that has a lot of players in it. So 378 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 2: I just want to tim my cat to that guy 379 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 2: did a really nice job. 380 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 4: Tony absolutely did. And there are some people in the 381 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 4: league that actually like him. I mean on Friday they said, 382 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 4: you know, and I small. You know, he's an R. 383 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 4: EO type quarterback and these smaller, shorter quarterbacks have not 384 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 4: worked out. But there were some people in the league 385 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 4: that actually like him. I found that out last week 386 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 4: Thursday and Friday talking to people. They said, watch out 387 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 4: for this guy because he's pretty good. 388 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: Interesting. 389 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the next game, Alabama and Georgia. 390 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 2: Alabama wins that game twenty four to twenty one. Action 391 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 2: packed first half. Not a lot going on in the 392 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 2: second half of that game, Tony, you want to lead 393 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 2: off with Caden Proctor or someone that we've talked about 394 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 2: a lot here. You know in your notes, I'm a 395 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 2: little disappointed in you. I'm not gonna lie. You mentioned 396 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 2: great job picking up stunts and twists. No mention of 397 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 2: the one run for eleven yards when he's running over 398 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 2: like four dudes on the sideline. 399 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: Man, Come on, you know there. 400 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 4: Were three games on that and I saw I'm going 401 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 4: back and forth between three games. I do remember that 402 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 4: play that you talked about. But here's the thing is, 403 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 4: when we spoke about Caden Procter at the beginning of 404 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 4: the year, I said, I think he's a left tack 405 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 4: college left tackle who projects to the right side. After 406 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 4: watching him against Georgia, although the Georgia defense is not 407 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 4: what it's been, I'm not so sure. Maybe this guy 408 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 4: can play left tackle on Sunday. You know, he's bigger 409 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 4: than I would prefer in the left tackle. He's got 410 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 4: great mass, but I love this fundamentals. But he did 411 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 4: a terrific job and pass protection really nobody got buying 412 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 4: stouted holds, the point of attack, controls his man. You 413 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 4: mentioned the ability to block in motion, picking up the 414 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 4: stunts and twists. I was just I liked Procter coming 415 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 4: into the season, coming into the game. He just further 416 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 4: impressed me with his performance against Georgia. 417 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 2: ZI, what do you think about Procter? Do you think 418 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 2: he's a top ten level pick. 419 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 3: If he catapults from this performance against Georgia. I mean, 420 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 3: look at what he has coming up on his schedule, Missouri, 421 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,479 Speaker 3: two NFL dns on that team, Tennessee, who has an 422 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 3: ascending edge defender, And Joseph said, I think we're all 423 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 3: going to be talking about as a first round prospect 424 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 3: South Carolina, who has a top ten kid from in 425 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 3: next year's group LSU than Oklahoma. I mean that that's 426 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 3: five of the next six games he's going to be 427 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 3: facing off real NFL pass rushers, and if he can 428 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 3: use this performance and apply it to those games, there's 429 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 3: no question. In my mind, he's OT one in this class. 430 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 3: I did not have him as OT one coming into 431 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 3: the year. I'm a Spencer Fano guy from Utah. But 432 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 3: you can't argue against six to seven, three sixty with 433 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 3: that kind of movement trait. And I'll tell you what, 434 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 3: The Evan Neil comparisons are inevitably going to come up, 435 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 3: whether you think they're fair or not. And Evan Neil 436 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 3: got a lot of attention for the Bruce Feldman Freak List, 437 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 3: one of my favorite reads of the year. But at 438 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 3: the end of the day, that list does not translate 439 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 3: to the NFL that well, because that's more structured, controlled 440 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 3: workouts and jumping on boxes without pads on that we 441 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 3: get a little too excited about in summer when there's 442 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 3: no football. Proctor, he's an actual He's a better football athlete. 443 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 3: He stays square, he stays on his feet a little 444 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 3: bit better. There are some top heaviness clips to his tape. 445 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 3: But if Proctor plays at this level over the next 446 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 3: four to five weeks, signed sealed, deliver OT one next April. 447 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny you mentioned the Neil stuff because you're right. 448 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 2: And the one thing I regret when I did my 449 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 2: evaluation of him, he never did any of the athletic 450 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 2: testing at the Combine or anything like that. He didn't 451 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 2: do any of the drills, but he was on the 452 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 2: freaks list, right, so you're like, oh, well, you don't 453 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 2: worry about him as an athlete, and now you've seen 454 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 2: some of that stuff kind of pop up and you're like, oh, 455 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 2: that's why he didn't want to do offensive line drills 456 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 2: at the Combine. 457 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: Now I understand. 458 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 4: So it just kind of funny because when we have Bluceveldnon, 459 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 4: I've asked him if he thinks that sometimes guys that 460 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,680 Speaker 4: are on his freaks list prevent them from working out 461 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 4: before the draft. Who was the defensive tackle that the 462 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 4: Cowboys took out of Michigan? 463 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, he run down. 464 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 4: To a bus and if you remember, he was one 465 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 4: of the I think he was the top of Bruce's 466 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 4: list one year. And I said, Bruce, do you think 467 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 4: that these guys see what you write about him and 468 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 4: they don't work out before the draft because they're not 469 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 4: going to hit these numbers and it's going to be 470 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 4: a disappointment where he've written about well, you know, Bruce 471 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 4: Felman said he was supposed to run a six 't 472 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 4: eight to nine in the three cone and he ran 473 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 4: a seven to one. 474 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 2: Wow. 475 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 4: He's not doing well. So it's an interesting dynamic there 476 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 4: as far as I'm concerned. 477 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 2: No, it is, it is, and you know, the expectations 478 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 2: with those workouts are always huge. 479 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: Tony. 480 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:33,679 Speaker 2: A couple of defensive players who want to touch on 481 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 2: in this game too, one for Georgia, one for Alabama. 482 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 4: I like lt Overton. He had that big play late 483 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 4: in the game. He's quick, he's explosive. As we talked 484 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 4: about lt Overton in Alabama, where is he going to 485 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 4: play at the next level? Six two sixty three two 486 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 4: hundred and seventy pounds. Is he a defensive end that 487 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 4: they use him as a three technique tackle. He's a 488 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 4: good defensive lineman who makes plays. And I don't know 489 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 4: that George is gonna have a first round pick this year, 490 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 4: as they've had so many previous years. But if there's 491 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 4: one player that could sneak into the first round, I 492 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 4: think it's gonna be cj Al. I'm a linebacker, an 493 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 4: off the ball linebacker who can blitz Win asked, but 494 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,360 Speaker 4: he's usually used in space. I know it's a bit 495 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 4: depreciated now in the NFL draft, but he's explosive. He 496 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 4: goes sideline to sideline, covers a lot of area on 497 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 4: the field, just really starting to hit his stride as 498 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 4: he moves into the starting lineup on a full time basis. 499 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 3: How about you sid Jeremy Bernard, the wide receiver from Alabama. 500 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 3: I try to avoid making myself put a pro comparison 501 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 3: on it. I let them come to me and if 502 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 3: it's there, it's there. If it's not, I don't make 503 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 3: one up. Chris Godwin's name comes to name every single 504 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 3: time I watched this kid play football again. Didn't have 505 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 3: a massive game, did have a touchdown, but the ability 506 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 3: to be a big slot I think that's gonna be 507 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 3: his future of the next role because he's not the 508 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 3: most explosive downfield route runner on the outside, but his 509 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 3: route running his savinus. He's got a two percent drop 510 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 3: rate and the guy does not put the ball on 511 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,959 Speaker 3: the ground, and he's actually showing a little bit more 512 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 3: juice after the catch than I thought he had using 513 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 3: prior your tape. And Isaiah Horton, a second year transfer, 514 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 3: I believe from Miami. He had a big game from Alabama, 515 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 3: and that guy has He's the one that I think 516 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:11,640 Speaker 3: could be a real vertical threat, more of a day 517 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 3: through type, Day three type prospect. But this wide receiver group, 518 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 3: overall the general draft classes, it's very unstable. At the 519 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 3: top the draft class itself very unstable. But I'm not 520 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 3: sure what to make of the wide receivers yet. But 521 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 3: I'll tell you what, Jeremy Bernard, you can just pencil 522 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 3: him in for a top forty five pick next year 523 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 3: because I think he's that safe, reliable, big, physical six 524 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 3: one two ten catches everything makes some things happen after 525 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 3: the catch. I liked his game, and I liked what 526 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 3: he's done so far this season. 527 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's funny we talked about that last week side, 528 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 2: where at this time last year, you probably knew four 529 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 2: or five guys that were definitely gonna be top ten 530 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 2: picks this year. 531 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: Maybe you're a two, maybe something like that. 532 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:51,959 Speaker 2: So they just are not a ton of guys that 533 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 2: did you know are going to go in the top ten. 534 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:57,719 Speaker 2: I want to ask you about one player in this game, 535 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 2: both of you guys. Jam Miller got his first act 536 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 2: running back this year for Alabama. Tony we haven't talked 537 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,439 Speaker 2: about him at all. It's a pretty good running back class. 538 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on him? 539 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 4: Didn't have great numbers, but I think he settled that 540 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 4: Alabama offense down. I think with the Simpson the quarterback 541 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 4: there actually was able to take another step or really 542 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 4: improve his game after a couple of after a couple 543 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 4: tough weeks, because Miller's there. He's a tough interior runner. 544 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,199 Speaker 4: He shows some ability to bounce with the outside. He's strong. 545 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 4: He also has the ability to create and make defenders miss. 546 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 4: It wasn't a great stats game, but I think just 547 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 4: him being on the field for the first time this 548 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 4: season really helped settle that Alabama offense. Looking forward to 549 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 4: seeing what he can do moving forward. I have him 550 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 4: as a potential late Day two pick. We'll see what happens. 551 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: How about you say your thoughts on Miller. 552 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 3: Just glad that he's back early in the year because 553 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 3: I want to see as close as we can to 554 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 3: a full season's worth of tape. He's your classic Alabama 555 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 3: running back, the ones that we just see every other year. 556 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 3: On average, thick lower body, can take a lot of contexts, 557 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 3: stay square to the line, protects the ball, at a 558 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 3: high level. Caught three passes his only three targets. 559 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 4: Of the day. 560 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 3: Also a nasty special teamer early in his career. I 561 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 3: think he was second or first on the team in 562 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 3: special teams tackles. And that's a really fast route to 563 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 3: kind of breaking a tie. In the pre draft process, 564 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 3: it's like, hey, I'm more than just a backup running back. 565 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 3: I don't project him as a starter. I'm thinking more 566 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 3: of an early Day three type. But again, he's alibet 567 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 3: running back. It's very rare that an Alabama running back 568 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 3: with some status behind him does not, at least, you know, 569 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 3: give you a solid number two or number three row 570 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 3: at the NFL. 571 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the game of the week guys, 572 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 2: Oregon and Penn State and Tony. We want to start 573 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 2: with Oregon tight end Kenyon Sadek. We talked about it 574 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,360 Speaker 2: with Dane last week. Dane so told us last week 575 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 2: he was a number one tight end in the draft. 576 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 2: He did not disappoint in this game. Six catches forty 577 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 2: nine yards. Now in the season, fifteen catches two hundred 578 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 2: and four yards and three touchdowns. 579 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 4: And it's r I mean, he did the job as 580 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 4: a blocker as well. I think he's If he's tight 581 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 4: end number one, it's because it's you know, tight end 582 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 4: class is probably worse than the receiver class. He could 583 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 4: be there. I don't think he's there yet. I think 584 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 4: he has that potential to maybe develop into a top 585 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 4: forty five, maybe top thirty two pick. You see the athleticism, 586 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 4: you see the well rounded game. You know that that 587 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,160 Speaker 4: Oregon offense is in a bit of a transition. After 588 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 4: Dylan Gabriel moved on last year. You gotta like what 589 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 4: you saw came back even after hurting his ankle late 590 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 4: in the game, was a major factor. Love his upside. 591 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 4: Just don't know that he's there yet. 592 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm I'm very high on Sadik to the point 593 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 3: where I'm kind of put my eggs in this basket 594 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 3: a little late to the party. It's from I think Idaho. 595 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 3: Idaho falls Idaho. You don't see a lot of prospects 596 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 3: come from there. He ran eleven four, one hundred meter. 597 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 3: He was a two hundred and five pound wide receiver recruit. 598 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 3: Incredibly violent, active, physical kid. They almost put him on 599 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 3: the defensive side of the ball in high school. Odd 600 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 3: they didn't because that just goes to show how physical 601 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 3: it is. And we saw this last year when I 602 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 3: was watching his tape over the summer. He put Abdul 603 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 3: Carter through the floor in their late season matchup, and 604 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 3: he let him know about it, and you just know 605 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 3: he's got that switch in his head. He's a physical dude. 606 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 3: Right now, among the draftable tight ends I have in 607 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 3: our stack, he is either the best or second best blocker, 608 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 3: and I mean that all draftable tight ends. And then 609 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 3: I think he has a brock Bowers type potential after 610 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 3: the catch, and that's what made him special. That's what 611 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,479 Speaker 3: made him a high first round pick. And I think 612 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 3: Sadik is a better athlete. I think he's a better blocker. 613 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 3: The play of the game, the play of the game 614 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 3: by Kenna Cidek had nothing to do with offense over time. 615 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 3: Dennis Sutton makes the interception, he's about to break free 616 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,719 Speaker 3: first score. Sadek comes out of nowhere, he makes the tackle, 617 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 3: he forces the fumble, he scoops it up, and then 618 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 3: then he makes the second penn State scoops it up, 619 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 3: and then he makes a second tackle right after. It's 620 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 3: at the end of the game. Something that you might 621 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 3: not have made watch because you're so into the game. 622 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 3: But the guy is a classic blue collar football player, 623 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 3: elite athlete number eleven on the Bruce Bruce Helman Freaklist. 624 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 3: By the way, I mean, he just checks every single box. 625 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 3: I'd like it to see him produce a little bit 626 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 3: more as a downfield pass catching thread. But I'm telling 627 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 3: this right now. Our lads are the way we make 628 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 3: our top initial top thirty two stack, which comes out 629 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 3: in a week or two. I believe it's not one guy, 630 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 3: it's not two guys. It's our team. We kind of 631 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 3: come up with an equation to make it so it's 632 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 3: not just one person. I'm going to put him in 633 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 3: my top ten. 634 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: Whoa top ten? I like it? Like it. Draft Season 635 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: is presented by Moody. 636 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 2: He's a proud partner of the New York Football Giants, 637 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 2: uniting the brightest minds to turn today's risk into tomorrow's opportunities. 638 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: Learn more at moodies dot com. All right, and now 639 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: let's go to the offensive side of the ball. Here. 640 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,479 Speaker 2: Tony will stick with Oregon first, Isaiah World, their offensive tackle. 641 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: I know you're big fan of his. 642 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 4: Transfer from Nevada. I thought he did a good job 643 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 4: holding up at left tackle. I mean, did a solid 644 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 4: job against Danny Dennis, Danny Sutton, who you know at 645 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 4: times you wish you he would just shut up and 646 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 4: play football rather than all the history onics out on 647 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 4: the field. But I mean, World, he looks athletic, he 648 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 4: moved well. This was a major test for him, at 649 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 4: least the first major test. I think he sets with 650 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 4: a bit of a narrow base at times, you'd like 651 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 4: to see him spread his speed a little bit further 652 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 4: apart and sick as But but I thought, you know, 653 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 4: you saw a lot of the athleticism. You saw a 654 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,680 Speaker 4: lot of the past blocking skills. You saw why Oregon 655 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 4: went out and signed into a big nil deal, you know, 656 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 4: to clamp down that left tackle position after losing their 657 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 4: left tackle in the first round last year. I thought 658 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,240 Speaker 4: it was a good showing for World. He's got long arms, 659 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 4: uses them well, needs to polish his game. But you 660 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 4: can you consider the that moment, you consider that game 661 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 4: playing at Penn State and what that game meant. I thought, 662 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 4: he came out, they're looking really good. 663 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 3: First true test for him this season, and it was 664 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 3: his best tape of the season. I actually didn't love 665 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 3: what I saw early in the year. I watched a 666 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 3: lot of his tape from Nevada. He started thirty five 667 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,120 Speaker 3: games there over the past three seasons prior to that transfer, 668 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 3: and obviously he looked at there. I think he could 669 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 3: kind of one hand how many times he faced off 670 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 3: against the future NFL defender and what he did on 671 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 3: this Penn State, I mean, unbelievably explosive and violent. The 672 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 3: pop that he played with. I didn't see that early 673 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 3: in the year, and it seemed like he really rose 674 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 3: to the occasion. He took that environment head on. And 675 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 3: it's not just Dennis Sutton. They have a freshman pass 676 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 3: rusher that we're all gonna be talking about in a 677 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 3: couple of years. He dominated him. I mean, he was 678 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 3: getting a lot of push in the run game. I mean, 679 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 3: we're programmed when we watch tackles to watch their pass 680 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 3: sets and their footwork and their balance. He was a 681 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 3: difference maker in the run game. And that's where Oregon, 682 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 3: in my opinion, that's where they won the game. They 683 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 3: were able to really move the ball on the ground 684 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 3: and they ran behind him a lot, and he was 685 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 3: getting two three yards of movement NonStop. So that was 686 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 3: a really important game. Tape for him one that we're 687 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 3: gonna be talking about in the pre draft process, and 688 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 3: the greade for him on that one was without a 689 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 3: doubt in a all. 690 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 2: Right, Tony, let's go to Drew aller At someone we've 691 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 2: talked about now for a couple of years. 692 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: And again. 693 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 2: Just the potential, the size, the traits, it hasn't shown 694 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 2: up in production. He does that that one nice d 695 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 2: pass in that game for a touchdown to help bring 696 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 2: Penn State back, but overall just fourteen of twenty five, 697 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty seven yards, two touchdowns, that one pick, 698 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 2: and there were some of the things in this game 699 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 2: that you did not like from what you saw from Aler. 700 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was almost a Carson Beck type performance Carson 701 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 4: Beck at Miami. You know, he didn't kill the team, 702 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 4: but he really didn't hurt the team and couldn't push 703 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 4: the ball into the end zone. He keeps keeps you 704 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 4: thinking that there's so much more that he can deliver. 705 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 4: And there was one point after Oregon scored that second 706 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 4: touchdown in overtime, camera pan to Drew Law on sidelines 707 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 4: and a Laura looked like I got to go out 708 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 4: there again. It was almost like he was hoping that 709 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 4: the defense, the Penn State defense, would win the game 710 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 4: for him. He goes out there, he throws the pick 711 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 4: in overtime game over. The body language was just horrible. 712 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 4: You know, he didn't seem chomping at the bit. Let's 713 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 4: get out there, let's kick their butts, let's get the 714 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 4: ball in the ends on, let's get the two point 715 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 4: score and win this game. He almost looked like he 716 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 4: didn't want to go out there like the defense. He 717 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 4: wanted the defense to win the game for him. You 718 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 4: look at that game tying drive, he was one to five. 719 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 4: That one completion was the seven yard touchdown pass, But 720 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 4: it seemed that last drive and even that first drive 721 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 4: in overtime, Penn State took the ball out of his 722 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 4: hands and said, we're just gonna run the ball and 723 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 4: if we want Drewelo to do something, we're gonna have 724 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 4: him run the ball rather than to throw the ball, 725 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 4: which showed me just a complete lack of confidence in him, 726 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 4: which I mean this is three years ago, three years 727 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 4: running now. I mean, he was phenomenal as a freshman 728 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 4: allah Christian Hackenberg. We thought he was all going to 729 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,600 Speaker 4: be the next coming and it's been nothing but you know, 730 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 4: the same jewelrd, if not in reverse the past couple 731 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 4: of years. It was not a good Warmans. It was 732 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 4: not the performance that he needed. It was not the 733 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 4: performance to Penn State needed. 734 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 3: Same page with him, Tony. He's played seven games over 735 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 3: his career against top ten teams. He's one in six. 736 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 3: His completion percentage is barely above fifty percent. He's got 737 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 3: eleven touchdowns, and I believe that one win was against 738 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 3: Boise State. This is a guy, this is a program, 739 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 3: This is a head coach that when they face their 740 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 3: toughest tests, when they really need to rise to the occasion, 741 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 3: it almost never comes through. And like you said, it's 742 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 3: almost like a scared football. And that's the vibe I 743 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 3: get when I watch him. I don't know if he 744 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 3: completely knows what he's seeing or he completely trusts himself. 745 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 3: There's a lot of heavy, clunky movement with his footwork. 746 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 3: He misses layups and then he makes a three pointer. 747 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 3: That's kind of been his career where you just don't 748 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 3: know if he's the kind of guy that you can 749 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 3: trust drive to drive week to week. It'd be one 750 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,239 Speaker 3: thing if he would ten starts under his belt. Put 751 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 3: he's going to enter the NFL with probably forty starts 752 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 3: to his name, and we have not seen I mean, 753 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 3: when we look at quarterbacks, you don't have to be 754 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,959 Speaker 3: a finished product in college. We know that, but we 755 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 3: do want to see progress. We want to see improvement 756 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 3: both him and Garrett and Usmyer. We haven't seen that 757 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 3: this year, and in a quarterback class that there are 758 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 3: some guys knocking on the door that are playing better 759 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,720 Speaker 3: than that. Both alar and us Meyer. Their draft status, 760 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 3: their draft grade can disappear pretty quickly. 761 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 2: Hi, Tony, one more guy in this game. You wanted 762 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 2: to talk about Amury Washington. 763 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, we talked about the coming of age. If some 764 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 4: of these Ohio State defensive lineman can get a joshly 765 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 4: and Caden Donald Kat McDonald, I think you can say 766 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 4: the same thing from Maury Washington at ark and who 767 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,840 Speaker 4: basically was a situational guy, came in off the bench 768 00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,799 Speaker 4: last year. You're starting to see him hit his stride, 769 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 4: very explosive, tremendous first step off the step. I mean, 770 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 4: he just has the opposing offensive lineman playing back on 771 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 4: their heels. Oregon thinks he's gonna be a fresh round pick. 772 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 4: I'm gonna take away and see approach. Let him get 773 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 4: a body of work going before gonna scamp him as 774 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 4: a first rounder. Would like to see him play with 775 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 4: better pend levels. Tends to get a little bit high 776 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 4: as the play goes on, but yeah, he looks like 777 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 4: he can be a difference maker up front. You gotta 778 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 4: like what you see and you gotta expect that it's 779 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 4: only going to get better as he gets more and 780 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 4: more playing time. 781 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 2: Say you could touch on him, or you get anyone 782 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 2: else in this game that jumped out at you. 783 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 3: I'm gonna try to say the name one more time. 784 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 3: I thought I was down saying this one, But Mateo, 785 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 3: you a Galiley defensive end. I'm just gonna call him Mateo, 786 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 3: or I'll call him DJ's brother. But I'll tell you 787 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 3: what man I mean. I had a top fifteen kind 788 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 3: of projection on him if he made progress like we 789 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,800 Speaker 3: said in the season, and that progress has been made, 790 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 3: I mean six five, two seventy five. He plays like 791 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,520 Speaker 3: his his hair's on fire, seventeen pressures so far this season, 792 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 3: but also an elite run defender, and it stems from 793 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 3: a couple of different things. He's learning how to use 794 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 3: his length in his hands, but the effort is just 795 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 3: out of control. I mean, he is just all over 796 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,919 Speaker 3: the place. And I think when you when you look 797 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,560 Speaker 3: at this edge group, in particular, very strong group, you 798 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 3: have a lot of guys that are playing like this, 799 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 3: where hey, if they don't reach that high ceiling upside 800 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,440 Speaker 3: as a pass rusher, their floor as a run defender 801 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 3: is so high that at the very least you know 802 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 3: you're gonna get some usage out of him. I think 803 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 3: this guy live, he lived in the Penn State backfield. 804 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 3: He knows he's making progress year to year, and you 805 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 3: do a little bit of background check on him and 806 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 3: just who he is as a person, you know he's 807 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 3: gonna work his butt off. Really interesting backstory if you 808 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 3: guys want to read up on it. But I think 809 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 3: the turns and the timing and just the angles that 810 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 3: he's taking towards a quarterback, it's what I wanted to 811 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 3: see last year when I was watching his tape. And 812 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 3: we're still early in the year. He's a very young kid. 813 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 3: I think that's a kid that we're going to be 814 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 3: talking about as a first round the next spring. 815 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 1: That's all the time we have for draft season. 816 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 2: Presented by Moody's is a proud part of New York Giants, 817 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 2: uniting the brightest minds to turn today's risk into tomorrow's opportunities. 818 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,800 Speaker 2: Learn more at moodies dot com. Thanks for being with us, everybody, 819 00:36:58,880 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 2: We'll see you next time.