Speaker 1: Yo, yo, yo yo. Welcome to It's Up There Podcast.
Speaker 2: I am your active and attractive hosts for another episode
Speaker 2: of the fastest growing podcasts in the market. Right now,
Speaker 2: I do want to salute to each and every person
Speaker 2: that has clicked this video. We have one of my
Speaker 2: favorite people in the world back on this up There podcast.
Speaker 2: We are in high here in season two and we
Speaker 2: have my friend, my partner, doctor Umar Johnson.
Speaker 1: How are you, my brother some in Pan Africanism.
Speaker 3: Glad to be back in Nashville on Its Up There podcast.
Speaker 1: Good to see you, my brother man.
Speaker 2: I got a lot of love for you, and you know,
Speaker 2: always always position that first right because no matter our
Speaker 2: conversations is to learn it's for people to actually grab
Speaker 2: something from it, and a lot of the people enjoy it.
Speaker 2: I do see some of your fan base, which you
Speaker 2: have a rather large fan base, some of.
Speaker 1: Them don't understand our dynamic.
Speaker 2: They don't understand that sometimes I give you room to
Speaker 2: clarify position you know what I'm saying, and I try
Speaker 2: to push a little more for the peopure is necessary exactly,
Speaker 2: and so I just want to set that standard before
Speaker 2: we even move forward, that it's a lot of respect
Speaker 2: in this room between us and what we do here
Speaker 2: is for our people to actually get something from conversations
Speaker 2: rather than just sit down and have this powerwow and
Speaker 2: no one actually deposits anything or withdraws anything.
Speaker 3: So I want to set that standard. First, how have
Speaker 3: you been up. I've been well, my brother, I've been
Speaker 3: well since the last time we connected. What has been
Speaker 3: going on well with regard to Frederick Douglas Marcus Govey.
Speaker 1: Brother, we down to the doors and the floors. That's it.
Speaker 3: Once we get that done, we'll be applying for certificate
Speaker 3: occupancy by the doors. What I mean by that is
Speaker 3: when we took over the building, we got everything rekeyed,
Speaker 3: but I didn't get the classrooms rekey.
Speaker 1: So I'm working with a black locksmith.
Speaker 3: He got to rekey every class you know, give me
Speaker 3: three copies mass the key, custodian key. I'm waiting on
Speaker 3: him now, so once he gives me an estimate of
Speaker 3: what this is going to cost. The doors. The other
Speaker 3: thing is the floors. So we had there's sixteen rooms
Speaker 3: in the school. There's more than sixteen, but we have
Speaker 3: sixteen that we got to either tie or carpet because
Speaker 3: we had twelve of them that had rugs in them,
Speaker 3: we had to take them out because you know, they
Speaker 3: was old and funky. While the building sat right so
Speaker 3: it's concrete, you got to cover that up.
Speaker 1: So we got about twelve that got to be covered.
Speaker 3: The other four I want them to match the other rooms,
Speaker 3: so it's going to be sixteen. We did get to
Speaker 3: estimates from two commercial companies, pretty expensive, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. They wanted about sixty g's to do them
Speaker 3: sixteen floors, and I'm like ouch. So I'm trying to
Speaker 3: see if I can work with some of my brothers,
Speaker 3: and as you know, we haven't had the best of
Speaker 3: luck with our brothers. But miraculously, coincidentally, one of the
Speaker 3: brothers out of Chester, PA contractor, he reached out. He
Speaker 3: does business in Delaware. He said, let me come see
Speaker 3: the floors. I might be able to beat the price.
Speaker 3: So when I get back to Philly, hopefully, if he
Speaker 3: can beat that price, we on. Because to be honest
Speaker 3: with you, Loan, we've been done for about a year.
Speaker 3: When we painted the school last year, the only thing
Speaker 3: that needed to be done was the floors, but the
Speaker 3: paint wasn't perfect. So in me trying to get the
Speaker 3: paint job done perfect. We wasted a whole year. You
Speaker 3: follow what I'm saying. So now I'm like, forget it.
Speaker 3: Let's get everything done and if I need to go
Speaker 3: back and touch up on the paint, we do it later.
Speaker 3: But I can't keep letting years go by, because, as
Speaker 3: you know, when you do this kind of work, time fly.
Speaker 1: Yeahel you noticed that interview next thing? You know? Six months?
Speaker 3: What? Yeah, I would say the one downside of speaking
Speaker 3: and traveling and interviewing, your life speeds up twenty four
Speaker 3: all a blur, Yeah, the life.
Speaker 1: I'm like, the year's over.
Speaker 3: Yes, So you know I learned that you got to
Speaker 3: keep your foot on the gas because if you don't
Speaker 3: fire another five years ago by, we still not open,
Speaker 3: you feel me? So we've been done except floora's doors
Speaker 3: and paint for yet.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: So technically this should have got done last year, but
Speaker 3: I'm not going to complain.
Speaker 1: All things in divine toim in facts?
Speaker 2: Do you feel as though you still have the same desires?
Speaker 2: The fire still burning? The fire still burn.
Speaker 3: Sometime the fire go dim, right, you get discouraged, you know,
Speaker 3: but something always happens to bring you back. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm very heavy into my spirituality, so I do a
Speaker 3: lot of solitude. You know, in fact, when people ask
Speaker 3: me about romantic relationships, a big reason why I'm not
Speaker 3: in one is and our sisters are good people, right,
Speaker 3: but when you are on a political mission that has
Speaker 3: a spiritual foundation, sometimes women can adjust their life style
Speaker 3: of yours. And so when you come off the road
Speaker 3: and you need a couple of days to just get
Speaker 3: back and sync with yourself, they want you to be
Speaker 3: wrapped up into them.
Speaker 1: I can't do that right now. I got to get
Speaker 1: myself right again.
Speaker 3: And so when I'm learning on the romantic side that
Speaker 3: when you date a sister, when you have a spiritual
Speaker 3: calling on my life, because although my work is political,
Speaker 3: it's spiritually based. You got to make sure you have
Speaker 3: a woman who can accommodate your mission, because a lot
Speaker 3: of women want to take you from your mission and
Speaker 3: put all of your attention on her. And don't get
Speaker 3: me wrong, you have needs and you have a right
Speaker 3: to those needs. But at the same time, you got
Speaker 3: to temper some of that because of who you win.
Speaker 1: You see what I'm.
Speaker 3: Saying, I'm not the rapper, I'm not the actor, I'm
Speaker 3: not the comedian. I'm not the dancer. You know, I'm
Speaker 3: not the entertainer. I'm an activist. You're forgetting that, yes,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And so sometimes women can
Speaker 3: drain you even more.
Speaker 2: Exactly, and it becomes more of a detriment to the
Speaker 2: balls than an addition to them.
Speaker 1: And that's why the honor.
Speaker 3: But Marcus Gorvey said, as much as I loved my wife,
Speaker 3: being married was a detriment to my work exactly because
Speaker 3: you got to constantly appease the queen. Yes and understanding,
Speaker 3: she got needs. But this is about the race, This
Speaker 3: is about the people. And if I got to constantly
Speaker 3: keep debating with you, pleading with you, explaining to you
Speaker 3: that you clearly don't respect my mission. And as I
Speaker 3: listen to a lot of you know, spiritual work and
Speaker 3: read a lot of spiritual work, they talk about how
Speaker 3: you got to make sure you equally yoked because that partner,
Speaker 3: that relationship, even though she don't mean no harm, she
Speaker 3: don't mean no harm, but that relationship will drain you
Speaker 3: of your purpose. And that's why a lot of great
Speaker 3: men they went at its.
Speaker 1: A loon like me.
Speaker 3: And see right now, me and you speaking of it
Speaker 3: is like it's and it gets harder. And I'm gonna
Speaker 3: tell you something.
Speaker 2: I greatly undervalued the ability to find a partner on
Speaker 2: this level. Before I got to this level, I would
Speaker 2: assured you that.
Speaker 1: Our boy to be boy, what is it? Peas and beautiful.
Speaker 2: Cover girl or seid shit like man, we get money,
Speaker 2: we successful, We read, and we up earth.
Speaker 3: We taking care of children. It's business being took care of.
Speaker 3: But as you get further and further, you see, oh,
Speaker 3: this is deeper than just a bed mate. It's a
Speaker 3: soul mate.
Speaker 1: Soul mate.
Speaker 2: It's deeper than that. It's sober than that. And so man,
Speaker 2: I definitely understand that. Let me ask you this, how
Speaker 2: long have you been on the road chasing this thing?
Speaker 3: WHOA I'm going to say, I've always been into activism
Speaker 3: since elementary school. You know, blackshitt and Union president graduated,
Speaker 3: Garvey Movement, You and I a Philly. But if you
Speaker 3: sow the activism been there throughout life. But if you
Speaker 3: say on the national and international level, that would be
Speaker 3: since twenty ten, that would be with the Chicago interview
Speaker 3: September eighteenth, twenty ten and the Horror Lecture October thirty
Speaker 3: of twenty ten. And about forty eight hours after the
Speaker 3: Harlem lecture, bro, my phone started ringing and it ain't
Speaker 3: stopped in fifteen minutes.
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Speaker 2: What for people who don't know a getting this grind?
Speaker 2: And you know what you've been doing? What receipts does
Speaker 2: that leave on a man's body?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Just moving that long, doing this mission on this goal,
Speaker 2: and you gotta constantly taking information to be updated as
Speaker 2: you are voice to our people.
Speaker 1: Yes, what receipts does that leave on a man?
Speaker 3: I would say the biggest cost is in the spiritual
Speaker 3: weight you got to carry. The biggest cost is in
Speaker 3: the lack of time you have to invest in the
Speaker 3: relationships you have, not romantic but just family, yes, social,
Speaker 3: you know, community, Yes, you're not there the way you
Speaker 3: want to be there, you know. And again I look
Speaker 3: at some of our great ancestors. Of course, brother Malcolm,
Speaker 3: we just celebrated his one hundredth on Monday. You know what,
Speaker 3: how many days ago? Four days ago Malcolm turned one
Speaker 3: hundred May nineteenth, nineteen twenty five, Okay, And then next month,
Speaker 3: god willing, I'll be going to the Democratic Republic of
Speaker 3: the Congo for the first time to celebrate the one
Speaker 3: hundredth birthday of Patries Lamumba, who was the first democratically
Speaker 3: elected Prime Minister of Congo.
Speaker 1: And as you know, President Dwight D.
Speaker 3: Eisenhower of the the US government ordered his assassination and
Speaker 3: they cut his body up into little tiny pieces like
Speaker 3: a cake bro and dissolved him in an acid. The
Speaker 3: only thing that remained was a tooth that his family
Speaker 3: just got back after more than fifty years.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, when was this?
Speaker 3: This was he was assassinated January seventeenth, nineteen sixty one. Whoa.
Speaker 3: And it took out Malcolm for in fact, Malcolm often
Speaker 3: spoke of Lamomba. And I believe Malcolm's black glasses, the
Speaker 3: what we want to call them, the patent Malcolm X glasses,
Speaker 3: those were actually PATRICEA. Lamuma glasses, not that pair. But
Speaker 3: Malcolm wore the same, yes, yes, and I think he
Speaker 3: got it from him. I never heard him say that,
Speaker 3: but he wore the same glasses as like a nod.
Speaker 1: And he kind of was the Patrice Lamoon Bright of Blackham. Right.
Speaker 2: Also, brother, please don't record this whole thing, because of
Speaker 2: course you got to go to our heart.
Speaker 1: Exclusivity is to our heart.
Speaker 2: So we're going to get into some of the our
Speaker 2: heart stuff too, because they reached to Candice and for
Speaker 2: some reason.
Speaker 1: We'll get to that the second.
Speaker 2: So on your journey, you basically have to bury your
Speaker 2: relationships to keep the fire burning for the mission.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say bury, but I would say you are
Speaker 3: not able to. I guess the best language to use
Speaker 3: is invest in them the way that you want so
Speaker 3: they're still there, and when you have your free time,
Speaker 3: that's when you double down on that time.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: But the bottom line is when you do this kind
Speaker 3: of a work, when you're serving the people, your universe,
Speaker 3: your satellites, they have to also appreciate your mission. Otherwise
Speaker 3: you become a hindrance to them. In other words, if
Speaker 3: you don't appreciate the mission, then it's best that we
Speaker 3: really don't seek to keep this relationship going as strong
Speaker 3: as it is, because you're going to see me as
Speaker 3: nothing more than a hindrance. Same thing romantically, because you
Speaker 3: don't appreciate what I'm doing. See if a woman appreciates
Speaker 3: what you're doing, she can wait but outside of you, right,
Speaker 3: so she can appreciate what I do when it pertains
Speaker 3: to her. You have to now appreciate what I do
Speaker 3: when it pertains to the mission. Absolutely, I know he's
Speaker 3: serving my people. Yes, So however long it takes, I'll
Speaker 3: be here. I'll give you someone who I thought embodied
Speaker 3: this perfectly. And all the wives were great, the Anna Douglas,
Speaker 3: the Amy Goald he's the better Shabazz, the Corredit Scotts.
Speaker 3: But you know who I felt really embodied the activist
Speaker 3: leader wife Winnie Mandel. When Nelson met Winnie rest in
Speaker 3: Paradise to both of them, where he tried to explain
Speaker 3: to her, she like, already got this.
Speaker 1: I know what this is about. I was ready for
Speaker 1: the end. Was you understand?
Speaker 3: Because she was about it too, And when he got
Speaker 3: locked up, she kept the movement going. Most activists you
Speaker 3: get locked up, mission dies with you. Oh she ain't
Speaker 3: you feel me?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: She was only there because you was popular, which has
Speaker 3: been a big problem I've run into. I want to
Speaker 3: ask you, how do you shift through the women? You
Speaker 3: can tell, you can tell if the women are there
Speaker 3: for the mission energy. You could just tell the way
Speaker 3: they speak, the way they talk about your work. The
Speaker 3: best way to find out is to listen to the jokes,
Speaker 3: the things they say inadvertently, Oh, you off running to
Speaker 3: serve the people again. You know, anything sarcastic that lets
Speaker 3: me know you don't value what I do. And that's
Speaker 3: not good because if you and I ever got together,
Speaker 3: if we produce the child out of it, if I
Speaker 3: go to jail, if my life is taken prematurely, God forbid,
Speaker 3: you will not raise my baby in this And when
Speaker 3: you look at most children of most of our leaders,
Speaker 3: not all of them, because you got some of Malcolm's
Speaker 3: daughter's pushing, you got some of King's children, right. But overall,
Speaker 3: if you look at the children of the revolutionaries, most
Speaker 3: of them did not stay with their father's work. Do
Speaker 3: you do you feel me?
Speaker 1: Yes? And some of that is due to the fact
Speaker 1: that the mothers became.
Speaker 3: Voice dis enchanted over the fact, Yes, that they saw
Speaker 3: how their husbands gave their life to the people and
Speaker 3: the people did nothing for their family after they died.
Speaker 3: Think about that, Think about that that hurt. Don't think
Speaker 3: about that that uncom died, right, Betty struggled.
Speaker 1: You see.
Speaker 3: Now, King's children that may have had a little better
Speaker 3: because you had the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they looked out Andrew Young and others.
Speaker 3: Right, So Corretta probably had a little bit more, But
Speaker 3: it was still hard on them because they saw firsthand
Speaker 3: my husband gave his life goodness and y'all ain't even
Speaker 3: reciprocate at all to us.
Speaker 1: Do you worry about that? Uh? Worry.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say no, and I'm gonna tell you why,
Speaker 3: because it's a given you didn't already seen it. You
Speaker 3: didn't already seen it. You see what I'm saying, So
Speaker 3: you didn't already see it. And that's why I tell people.
Speaker 3: And as I observe activists, I'm always telling them, brother
Speaker 3: Low and I'm like, listen, everybody who come to me
Speaker 3: talking about they want to do some work for the community.
Speaker 3: I got to study their political character, not they personal.
Speaker 3: I'll never know that political. And if I see you
Speaker 3: more in this for attention, if I see you more
Speaker 3: in this about the hustle, if I see you more
Speaker 3: in this about anything that's serving the people, I know
Speaker 3: you're not genuine because in this, this is sacrifice exact.
Speaker 3: You do not benefit of the class extent, of the
Speaker 3: highest extent. The only love, but it is the greatest
Speaker 3: love is the love of the people. There's nothing like
Speaker 3: going through the airport and thirty Africans run up to
Speaker 3: you and the white people looking like, who the fuck
Speaker 3: is he?
Speaker 1: They looking like, I said, who is this guy? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? And ill in love?
Speaker 3: Right? And I love because you know, they think they
Speaker 3: got to know everything. They come over, who are you?
Speaker 3: I feel like I should know you. Listen to that though,
Speaker 3: I feel, why do you feel you need.
Speaker 1: To know me? And then I say I'm just a psychologist.
Speaker 1: Then they still like, okay.
Speaker 3: But first of all, they shot because they thought you
Speaker 3: was gonna say rapper or athlete. But even when you
Speaker 3: say psychologists, they like, well, psychologists, doesn't.
Speaker 1: Make sense that reaction psychologists. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And I just kind of leave it like that, because
Speaker 3: you never know who you're dealing with, Like the stewardess
Speaker 3: to ask you. I don't like to give them too
Speaker 3: much unless they black, right, because you might put some
Speaker 3: shit in my drink, you see, militant in that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you got you, bro, You got to keep your head
Speaker 3: on the swip.
Speaker 2: What I've always appreciated about you, whether you would getting
Speaker 2: millions of views or not, You've always understood the seriousness
Speaker 2: of your of your banter.
Speaker 1: Of your rhetoric, of what your position is, of your mission.
Speaker 2: And I think that's very important to see a black
Speaker 2: man militant. I was telling him earlier before you got here.
Speaker 2: I said, Umar is probably one of the only ones.
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of strong black men in the space,
Speaker 2: but you will not fold. No, and bro no trust me.
Speaker 2: Us us are the black men.
Speaker 1: We say.
Speaker 3: If they let on seeing then if they let him on,
Speaker 3: he's not fold Oh no, Sun, So don't sit in
Speaker 3: invite and that's why they ain't gonna send me.
Speaker 1: You never see me on there. Now. I just got
Speaker 1: an invitation to be on pears Morgan got to be
Speaker 1: about to talk rit in just a second, you know, And.
Speaker 3: I didn't accept it because I noticed with some of them,
Speaker 3: even though he's really popular, he got millions, don't bring
Speaker 3: me on there for no nonsense. And what I noticed,
Speaker 3: and I went through this a little bit with Fox Soul.
Speaker 3: No disrespect to Fox Soul, because they just reached back
Speaker 3: out to me I'm gonna give him another chance. But
Speaker 3: you don't take somebody with these kind of credentials and
Speaker 3: this type of following and this seriousness behind his work
Speaker 3: and put him on a panel with goofballs at all
Speaker 3: and you see at all, that's what pears Morgan. I
Speaker 3: got an invite for a white podcast. I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: mention this now, he's very popular. He wanted me to
Speaker 3: debate jesse Lee Peterson. Right now, me and jesse Lee Peterson,
Speaker 3: are you familiar with that? I we've debated before. I
Speaker 3: was on the show, before I was on Fox Soul.
Speaker 1: Before. He and I have shared in ways maybe three times, right, Okay.
Speaker 3: I turned down down interview right because I said, I
Speaker 3: am not going to go on this show. And this
Speaker 3: was live in studio, and I think he's in Florida too.
Speaker 3: I Am not going to go on this show and
Speaker 3: debate another black man, even though he is a coon
Speaker 3: for the entertainment of white people. See when he first
Speaker 3: reached out Loo and I'm thinking we're gonna have a
Speaker 3: conversation like us, We're gonna talk, go around the world
Speaker 3: and talk. No, I want you to debate jesse Lee Peterson.
Speaker 3: You already know what he stands for. You already know
Speaker 3: what I stand for. So this cannot be serious. You
Speaker 3: want us to fight each other for the imertainment of cars.
Speaker 2: I'm not doing and I appreciate you, I'm saying. On
Speaker 2: that matter of fact, let's get to peers. So Piers
Speaker 2: Morgan has been in the news or in black culture
Speaker 2: going viral right now, in particular for he was a
Speaker 2: panel Let me get the names right. I think it
Speaker 2: was I want to make sure I have these young
Speaker 2: the young lady, the young lady's names.
Speaker 1: Uh, I mean I don't have the names.
Speaker 2: Nonetheless, it was Piers Morgan, Mark Lamont, Heel marrin games from.
Speaker 1: Freddy Clip right, and and so what we had.
Speaker 2: What we had is Piers Morgan was in a scenario
Speaker 2: where he he asked for this young lady.
Speaker 1: He invited her to say a racial slur.
Speaker 4: People stand up for themselves. We're a labeled And by
Speaker 4: the way, you call people when you want them to
Speaker 4: stop talking about.
Speaker 5: No, No, I called you because you admitted you were
Speaker 5: hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. I called
Speaker 5: just to be clear, I called you because you openly,
Speaker 5: proudly admitted your artist. So it wasn't the question of
Speaker 5: exposing you or pointing my finger or trying to get
Speaker 5: this out of you. You proudly sat there boulders bras.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I use the N word all the time
Speaker 5: against black people. I'm a racist and I'm proud of it.
Speaker 5: That's what you did.
Speaker 4: Racism is just having a preference. I prefer not to
Speaker 4: live around black people. I prefer not to live in
Speaker 4: a country where white people in our country are disproportionately
Speaker 4: attacked by black people. Where in my country you can
Speaker 4: have an Austin Metcalf where he asks a guy to
Speaker 4: leave and he gets stabbed in the heart. I prefer
Speaker 4: that that's a preference. Now, what a real racist is,
Speaker 4: in my opinion, as seeing someone as less human. I'm
Speaker 4: a Christian. I believe everyone's creating God's image, so I
Speaker 4: don't see anyone as less human. But that doesn't mean
Speaker 4: I'm not allowed to have a preference and say I
Speaker 4: don't like what happens to be coming out of this
Speaker 4: community or that community. How is that a bad thing?
Speaker 4: How is that not just a preference?
Speaker 5: Because you've literally made black people sound lesser humans, you
Speaker 5: don't want to live around them, you want to use
Speaker 5: the N word in relation to them, a word that
Speaker 5: you know causes that community unbelievable fact, my fault is.
Speaker 4: That my fault if they have bad behavior, if they
Speaker 4: want to act in a certain way, if I have
Speaker 4: to cross the street and be afraid that maybe because
Speaker 4: of the statistics that are very real. By the way,
Speaker 4: is that my fault or is that their fault for
Speaker 4: having bad behavior?
Speaker 6: That's mind boggling to me for multiple reasons. I mean,
Speaker 6: we're talking about bad behavior. You know, we've never touched you,
Speaker 6: we've never enslaved you, we've never done any of the
Speaker 6: deep seated structural forms of injustice to white people that
Speaker 6: white people have done to black people, and yet to
Speaker 6: claim some kind of moral superiority in the midst of
Speaker 6: and again in the context of a conversation where a
Speaker 6: white woman is calling a five year old autistic child
Speaker 6: the inward and we're talking about black people's bad behavior.
Speaker 6: This is absurd and the idea of fighting fire with
Speaker 6: fire again is a dishonest argument. Just to take us
Speaker 6: back to the point here, the people who are supporting
Speaker 6: criminal Anthony's campaign believe that he was wrongfully charged, and
Speaker 6: they're trying to get him legal defense.
Speaker 1: The people who are.
Speaker 6: Defending this woman are saying, yes, we know you call
Speaker 6: it the five year autistic black child the in word,
Speaker 6: and we want more of it, we approve of it,
Speaker 6: we support it. These are not the same thing, and
Speaker 6: it's bonkers to me that we couldn't all stand and say, hey,
Speaker 6: it is wrong to call a five year old autistic
Speaker 6: black child.
Speaker 2: The racial slur was in front of Mark Lamont Hill
Speaker 2: and another guy who's who's a black man. The other
Speaker 2: guy who's a black man, had a gun and he
Speaker 2: would press the trigger and it'll, it'll, it'll, put out
Speaker 2: a flag and say you're on it. During the interview
Speaker 2: doing it, I didn't see that part because they would
Speaker 2: blur out on certain platforms, they wouldn't let it, and
Speaker 2: so I wanted to ask you, what is your reaction
Speaker 2: to that clip of that situation. That is the exact
Speaker 2: type of situation that I don't want to be a
Speaker 2: part of. I don't mind the racism, but let it
Speaker 2: be someone of an established intellectual background. But for you
Speaker 2: to just grab idiots in buffoons off social media because
Speaker 2: they have an opinion and asked me to converse with them,
Speaker 2: I feel like you're belittling my work. Yes, and you're
Speaker 2: belittling my And that's what it was. The young lady
Speaker 2: was just a social media girl who says, I like
Speaker 2: to say, you're no expertise.
Speaker 3: In anything, no community activism, no type of corporation that
Speaker 3: she's established, you know, no type of political resume, just
Speaker 3: a nobody. My thing is at least let it be
Speaker 3: someone who people listen to, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: and listen to for serious opinion, not your shock value.
Speaker 1: And that's what they'll do.
Speaker 2: They'll they'll try to mix out greats with they bullshit
Speaker 2: and trade.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm not doing that.
Speaker 3: And when he reached out to me, brother Loom, if
Speaker 3: memory serves me correctly, it was a week or two
Speaker 3: before that interview, so I believe he wanted me as
Speaker 3: a part of that because in the email that I
Speaker 3: got from his assistant, it specifically said that they wanted
Speaker 3: to discuss the fundraising behind our brother down in Texas.
Speaker 1: Right, the young brother who ended his life.
Speaker 3: Okay, and it's now facing charges and hopefully he will
Speaker 3: be victorious. We're gonna pray Mello, right, Carmelo Anthony. They
Speaker 3: wanted to discuss the fundraising between Carmelo Anthony and the
Speaker 3: Shiloh Hendricks I believe is her name. Yes, And I'm
Speaker 3: looking at this request and I'm saying, of all the
Speaker 3: things we can discuss, we want to talk about gofund me.
Speaker 3: I already knew it was nonsense, right, this is all
Speaker 3: you want to discuss with the UMAR, this fundraiser and
Speaker 3: this fundraiser. I said, this is nonsense. I believe he
Speaker 3: wanted me on that platform.
Speaker 1: Did you see Mark Lamont heel's response to it where
Speaker 1: I thought he did a good job? Okay? Did ado.
Speaker 2: He's receiving some backlash because because he this is what
Speaker 2: I say, this difference between what did he say and
Speaker 2: didn't next and I didn't see the old thing.
Speaker 1: This is what he said.
Speaker 3: So he says, here's Morgan advice the young lady to
Speaker 3: say that in we're go ahead and say it. Go
Speaker 3: ahead and say she said she no. Mark Lamont jumps in, Okay,
Speaker 3: I do not want you to tell her to say
Speaker 3: the N word in front of me, because I'm the
Speaker 3: only one up here that's gonna be. He was on
Speaker 3: the right track. Then he uttered, Piers, I know you
Speaker 3: don't mean any harm.
Speaker 2: And then that's when and when that's when a lot
Speaker 2: of people were took him back because.
Speaker 3: Why would you give him any out in that moment?
Speaker 3: He clearly is inviting this discourse. Why is he as
Speaker 3: the white man who's facilitating the conversation. And also even
Speaker 3: if he was there quiet, I would say he holds
Speaker 3: some responsibility.
Speaker 1: Because he engineeredhographically.
Speaker 3: But the fact that he was the one to say,
Speaker 3: go ahead, say it and then the hook, yeah, for
Speaker 3: you to let him off the hook?
Speaker 2: Now, Mark Mark Lamont he a response to this and says,
Speaker 2: I only done that because I didn't want them to
Speaker 2: cut out the part where I where I told him
Speaker 2: do not allow her to say that, Well, it's like
Speaker 2: a strategic bag down.
Speaker 3: I don't respect those right, like in that setting. Now
Speaker 3: if we're talking war and you know, other settings.
Speaker 2: Great, but he received some backlash for basically letting Piers.
Speaker 1: Morgan off the hook in that moment to that, what
Speaker 1: do you say?
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't want to speak on that directly because
Speaker 3: I didn't see it. I'm going to give doctor Mark
Speaker 3: Lamonehill the benefit of the doubt.
Speaker 1: Okay, do you want to see it, because we can
Speaker 1: show you the clip. I don't mind. I can take
Speaker 1: a look at it.
Speaker 3: Take a look at it. You know, it could have
Speaker 3: just been human error. I'm hoping, you know, if that's
Speaker 3: the only thing that took place, it could have just
Speaker 3: been human error. I'm hoping it wasn't as egregious as
Speaker 3: what I saw the other day when President Donald Trump
Speaker 3: had a meet and greet interview with.
Speaker 1: The President of South Africa.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you caught that, but I was
Speaker 3: very disappointed in the way that President Ramapulsa of South
Speaker 3: Africa conducted himself with President Trump. I really feel that
Speaker 3: he allowed President Trump to drive the conversation.
Speaker 1: And to see him meet. I didn't get the chance
Speaker 1: to win. We got to watch it.
Speaker 3: I felt like he completely disrespected the South African people,
Speaker 3: who I love. I'm very close with the South African family,
Speaker 3: and I felt the President of South Africa did not
Speaker 3: assert the dignity of his people by defending why so
Speaker 3: many South Africans are considering appropriating land from these Caucasians
Speaker 3: because y'all invaded our country centuries ago, stole that land,
Speaker 3: enslaved us on our own territory, and now you have
Speaker 3: the audacity, President Trump to call me a criminal to
Speaker 3: take back what was stolen from me by white criminals.
Speaker 3: And I really felt the President of South Africa let
Speaker 3: Donald Trump push an untrue narrative in his face.
Speaker 1: In his face, I would, I know you not say
Speaker 1: nothing back.
Speaker 3: Really felt he dishonored all of the great South African
Speaker 3: leaders that have come before him.
Speaker 1: You understand, no way Shakazulu was gonna do that.
Speaker 3: You found no way, Chris Hani, no way, Steve Beeko,
Speaker 3: no way. Robert Sebukwe was going to sit in the
Speaker 3: White House understanding what the US government has done to
Speaker 3: Africa and sit there and let President Trump accuse you
Speaker 3: of being complicit in genocide when this country has financed
Speaker 3: genocide against different African populations throughout time. I really felt
Speaker 3: he did the South African people a disservice by letting
Speaker 3: Donald Trump treat him like he was a child.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about. So and I got respect
Speaker 2: from Mark lemanheiel. I think he's a scholar.
Speaker 1: But what what what is that? Like? What is that like?
Speaker 1: What it's it's the coon chip?
Speaker 3: And what I mean by that when you're raised and
Speaker 3: white public school, when you're raised in a black church
Speaker 3: that's filled with white Jesus images. We are conditioned from
Speaker 3: childhood brother Loom to serve and service Caucasians, and you
Speaker 3: have to become conscious of your subservience in their presence
Speaker 3: so you can work to undo it. Because what in effect,
Speaker 3: is happening in that moment with President Ramaposa, if this
Speaker 3: happened with doctor Mark lemon Hill, their unconscious takes over.
Speaker 3: You see this, you don't even recognize you are conceding
Speaker 3: your masculinity to this Caucasian male. You're not even conscious
Speaker 3: of it. It is your unconscious conditioning that is kicking
Speaker 3: in without your knowledge, forcing you to get down on
Speaker 3: bended knee before these Caucasians. And you won't do that.
Speaker 3: In fact, I'm gonna go harder with the Caucasian to
Speaker 3: make sure my coon chip if if it's still there,
Speaker 3: doesn't get activated.
Speaker 1: You feel me.
Speaker 3: So if they say doctor Uma, we might have one
Speaker 3: or two whites in the room.
Speaker 1: Cool, But I need you to know something.
Speaker 3: I don't change my message, So make sure you understand
Speaker 3: that I'm not changing. Same thing. With the universities. Well,
Speaker 3: you know there's going to be white students in the audience.
Speaker 3: This is a predominantly white institution that's fine, but I
Speaker 3: don't change my message. Make sure they understand that.
Speaker 2: And that's what it to us is so important because yes,
Speaker 2: you see these scholars that the smarter they get, it's
Speaker 2: like they lose the veracity that that black men have.
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna tell you a big reason why there's
Speaker 3: a few fears associated with the black male ego. One
Speaker 3: fear is money. Unfortunately, we'll put cash above the honor
Speaker 3: that we should have in defending our people. Right right,
Speaker 3: I disrespect if I offend, because you're not disrespecting. If
Speaker 3: I offend this Caucasian, it might mess with my pocketbook.
Speaker 1: I couldn't care less.
Speaker 3: In fact, I tell people all the time one of
Speaker 3: the best things ever happened to me was growing up
Speaker 3: in the North Central Philadelphia ghetto, because once you taste poverty,
Speaker 3: you're not afraid of it.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 3: You feel me exactly, I'll go back if I need again.
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying. So that's number one, the
Speaker 3: loss of money. Another one is the loss of access
Speaker 3: to white space man, both in the media and in
Speaker 3: the social world. I'll give you an example, and I
Speaker 3: know we're going to talk about this later, but I
Speaker 3: want to give you an example, take Shannon Sharp, real Quick.
Speaker 3: Shannon will not be affected financially, I don't think as
Speaker 3: a result of this lawsuit, because in the social media
Speaker 3: world there really is no code of ethics.
Speaker 1: It's all about views.
Speaker 3: Right, Financially, I think he still gets his contract. You
Speaker 3: know where he may lose. You know where Sean Puffy
Speaker 3: Combs may lose if he wins the case. They will
Speaker 3: ever again get invited to certain privileged white functions. And
Speaker 3: as a member of the black bourgeoise, having access to
Speaker 3: white's fanities.
Speaker 1: Is sometimes worth more than the money. Yes, do you
Speaker 1: feel me?
Speaker 3: Yes, getting invited to this, getting invited to that, going
Speaker 3: on these exclusive retreats with these billionaires.
Speaker 1: You may never get that invitation again.
Speaker 3: And so sometimes the black scholar not saying doctor Hill
Speaker 3: did this, but I've seen it done, so I know
Speaker 3: what you mean.
Speaker 1: I'm going to compromise my people's truth.
Speaker 3: I'm going to compromise my people's truth in this moment
Speaker 3: because if I get branded as a black man, think
Speaker 3: about that, if I get branded as a black man
Speaker 3: by the white man, I might lose opportunities to be
Speaker 3: around white people.
Speaker 2: Yes, and that's kind of your only one up in
Speaker 2: a lot of black spaces.
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 4: No? Know?
Speaker 1: I be at the white party bingo because we value
Speaker 1: everything they do more than what we do. Exactly.
Speaker 3: This is while we'll go to the bet Awards and
Speaker 3: we'll fight. Yes, we never fought that the grammaro.
Speaker 1: Do you feel men? Will Smith slapped Chris Rock and
Speaker 1: they banding for a year? You feel me?
Speaker 3: And I still don't know if he's allowed to go back.
Speaker 3: Now you're not gonna do that, yes, in white space, right,
Speaker 3: but you'll do it around yes.
Speaker 1: Yes. Now let's take a look at this. I want
Speaker 1: you to look at it really quick. One second.
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Speaker 3: Access to Wye's sanity song is sometimes worth more than
Speaker 3: the money.
Speaker 1: Yes, do you feel me? Yes?
Speaker 3: Getting invited to this, yes, getting invited to that, going
Speaker 3: on these exclusive retreats with these billionaires, you.
Speaker 1: May never get that invitation again.
Speaker 3: And so sometimes the black scholar not saying dot that
Speaker 3: he'll did this, but I've seen it done, so I
Speaker 3: know what you mean. I'm going to compromise my people's truth.
Speaker 3: I'm going to compromise my people's truth in this moment
Speaker 3: because if I get branded as a black man, think
Speaker 3: about that. If I get branded as a black man
Speaker 3: by the white man, I might lose opportunities to be
Speaker 3: around white people. Yes, and that's that's kind of your
Speaker 3: only one up in a lot of black spaces is
Speaker 3: that No, I be at the white party bingo because
Speaker 3: we value everything they do more than what we do.
Speaker 3: This is while we'll go to the b ET Awards
Speaker 3: and we'll fight. Yes, we never fought that the grammar?
Speaker 3: Do you feel me? Will Smith slapped Chris Rock and
Speaker 3: they banding for a year?
Speaker 1: You feel me? And I still don't know if he's
Speaker 1: allowed to go back.
Speaker 3: Now, you're not going to do that in white space, right,
Speaker 3: but you'll do it around Yes, Yes, Now let's take
Speaker 3: a look at this.
Speaker 1: I want you to look at it really quick. One
Speaker 1: second half.
Speaker 6: I want you to invite this woman to say a
Speaker 6: racially harmful terment on me because I'm the only I'm
Speaker 6: the only on here, so if she says it, I'm
Speaker 6: the victim of it. So please don't invite her for
Speaker 6: ratings to call me the inwork because that's basically what
Speaker 6: it's going to be. There's a bunch of white people
Speaker 6: up here, you and what one uncle Tom on the
Speaker 6: on the left ear and ask for her to say
Speaker 6: the N work while I'm here.
Speaker 1: As ridiculous.
Speaker 6: You would not sit here with a Jewish person and say,
Speaker 6: please use a Jewish slur in front of the Jewish.
Speaker 6: It's ridiculous. I understand you don't have any bad in
Speaker 6: tip Piers. I understand what you're trying to do. I
Speaker 6: don't want to invite a racial harm to.
Speaker 5: Me, and I accept that. I'm gonna leave it there,
Speaker 5: Thank you all very much.
Speaker 1: Now, I didn't hear him say what you said.
Speaker 3: Okay, it might be another speak because I appreciate what
Speaker 3: doctor Hill said.
Speaker 1: There. He stood his ground.
Speaker 4: Ok here we go.
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's not it. Hold on, he's definitely said it.
Speaker 2: But uh well, yeah man, this is this.
Speaker 1: Is and he addressed it. He actually addressed the fact
Speaker 1: that that it blew up online and people like yo,
Speaker 1: you saying why.
Speaker 4: Would you say labeled a racist him by the way,
Speaker 4: this is a long racist. When you want them to
Speaker 4: stop talking about.
Speaker 5: No, no, I called you a racist because you admitted
Speaker 5: you are racist.
Speaker 1: You can get a respect.
Speaker 5: Hang on, hang on. I called just to be clear,
Speaker 5: Just to be clear, I called you a racist because
Speaker 5: you openly, proudly nitted.
Speaker 1: You're a racist.
Speaker 5: So it was a question of exposing you or pointing
Speaker 5: a finger or trying to get this out of you.
Speaker 5: You proudly sat there, bold as brass and said, yeah,
Speaker 5: he's the one.
Speaker 1: All the time.
Speaker 5: I guess black people, I'm a racist and might proud
Speaker 5: of it. That's what you did.
Speaker 4: This is a racism is just having a preference. I
Speaker 4: prefer not to live around black people. I prefer not
Speaker 4: to live in a country where white people in our
Speaker 4: country are disproportionately attact by black people growing my country.
Speaker 4: You can have an Austin Metcalf where he asked the
Speaker 4: guy to leave and he gets stout of in the heart.
Speaker 4: I prefer that that's a preference. Now, what a real
Speaker 4: racist is, in my opinion, is seeing someone as less human.
Speaker 4: I'm a Christian. I believe everyone's creating a buzz image,
Speaker 4: so I don't see anyone as less human. But that
Speaker 4: doesn't mean I'm not allowed have a my ference and
Speaker 4: say I don't like what happened to be coming out
Speaker 4: of this community or that community.
Speaker 3: How is that a bad thing?
Speaker 4: How is that not just a preference?
Speaker 5: Because he literally made black people sound less of humans.
Speaker 1: You're able to live around them, You.
Speaker 5: Want to use the nation to them a world that
Speaker 5: you know causes that community unbelievable.
Speaker 1: That my fault.
Speaker 4: Is that my fault if they have bad behavior, if
Speaker 4: they want to act in a certain way, if I
Speaker 4: have to cross the street and be afraid that maybe
Speaker 4: because of the crime statistics that are very real, by
Speaker 4: the way, is that my fault or is that their
Speaker 4: fault for having bad behavior?
Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's mind.
Speaker 4: I want to live in a country where people are
Speaker 4: allowed to say what they want unashamedly, and you can.
Speaker 5: You will go on and say it. You will not
Speaker 5: have gone say go on, say the N word.
Speaker 6: Go on, No, no, no. I don't want you to
Speaker 6: invite this woman to say a racially a hartful term
Speaker 6: for me, because I'm the only I'm not only on here.
Speaker 6: So if she says that, I'm the victim of it,
Speaker 6: so please don't invite her for ratings to call me
Speaker 6: the N word, because that's basically what it's going to be.
Speaker 6: There's a two white people up here while I'm here
Speaker 6: as ridiculous. You would not sit here with a Jewish
Speaker 6: person and say, please use a Jewish slur in front
Speaker 6: of the Jewish It's ridiculous. I understand you don't have
Speaker 6: any bad in tip heres. I understand what you're trying
Speaker 6: to do. I don't want to invite a racial.
Speaker 5: Harm to me, and I accept that. I'm gonna leave
Speaker 5: it there. Thank you all very much of it.
Speaker 1: We approve of it, we support it.
Speaker 6: These are not the same thing, and it's bonkers to
Speaker 6: me that we couldn't all stand and say, hey, it
Speaker 6: is wrong to call a five year old autistic black
Speaker 6: child the N word.
Speaker 1: Okay, damn. So it must have been in the other one.
Speaker 1: You may you may just missed this. That's happening.
Speaker 3: This is not a standalone statement, and that's why people
Speaker 3: felt like it was a slippy jest to appease the man.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yes, so it was. When he would say,
Speaker 1: don't you just say any way? It was dead.
Speaker 3: It wasn't a just in other words, you should have
Speaker 3: checked him for even inviting her to say it. But
Speaker 3: he did say, don't have her say that. But what
Speaker 3: you're saying is he also said, I know you don't
Speaker 3: mean no harm, so I'm holding I'm not holding you
Speaker 3: accountable for the fact that you actually invited her to.
Speaker 2: Say and that line actually blew up, and he responded
Speaker 2: to it, and he said, again it was a strategic
Speaker 2: move on his part, but I don't compromise my integrity.
Speaker 2: You can't for a strategic move for the white folks.
Speaker 2: And so that's he responded to it. So, but but
Speaker 2: we'll move on from that. Let me ask you this,
Speaker 2: because I know that Joe Budden podcast is somewhere where
Speaker 2: you go, you do a lot of views that I'm
Speaker 2: of the belief and a lot of my fans are
Speaker 2: of the belief that we were very, very instrumental in
Speaker 2: them actually pulling the trigger on Umar. Of course they
Speaker 2: knew Umar for a long time. After our Dion Sander's debate.
Speaker 2: I think there was just a day say oh no,
Speaker 2: we need Umar. And of course when you went up there,
Speaker 2: one of the first conversations was, hey, we saw you
Speaker 2: debate about Umar. I'm sorry about Dion and you know
Speaker 2: so I take pride in being influential in that way
Speaker 2: in the market, just opening what people think is available
Speaker 2: to do with Umar.
Speaker 3: Right. It ain't just because for me, I feel as
Speaker 3: though our dynamic kind of changes the way that people
Speaker 3: deal with you, right in regards to.
Speaker 1: Umar is an intellectual.
Speaker 3: He invites this, he invites, make me clarify, make me
Speaker 3: stand on it, because I'm gonna tell you why it
Speaker 3: makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, you know, and I believe in those moments
Speaker 2: you shine so so bright that even in your twenty
Speaker 2: fifth hour, it still brings in.
Speaker 1: More new people.
Speaker 3: When absolutely, yes, yes, absolutely are you. Are you prepared
Speaker 3: to go.
Speaker 2: And do the twenty v one on Joe Bunden's podcast
Speaker 2: at this point.
Speaker 1: Uh, I didn't know he was interested in the twenty
Speaker 1: v one. That's what is.
Speaker 2: If you go to Joe Budden's podcast, they have Mark
Speaker 2: lamont Hill there to combat you on your way there.
Speaker 3: Right, But I thought twenty v one was when you pop.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean twenty b one just twenty versus Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, let's just talking about so Drake rephrased that
Speaker 3: when when the Kendrick thing was happening, when everyone seemed
Speaker 3: like they were going there, Drake, he was like, oh
Speaker 3: he caught it twenty one. I got so now, So
Speaker 3: now I just kind of playing on that to say, yo, Umar,
Speaker 3: the next time you go to Joe Budden, it's definitely.
Speaker 1: Gonna be a alliance.
Speaker 3: Then I see what you're I see what you're saying.
Speaker 3: I'm always ready. You know, sometimes because of things people
Speaker 3: might say or do that I don't agree with that,
Speaker 3: I take his slights, I might not necessarily agree to
Speaker 3: have those people present sometimes, right, so I have to
Speaker 3: look at who the team is and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 3: let's do it. But I'm like, you know what, he
Speaker 3: kind of did something I appreciate. Then I might exclude
Speaker 3: a particular individual. I've done that in the past because
Speaker 3: my thing is when I come to the platform, I'm
Speaker 3: going to raise it and whoever you have there, and
Speaker 3: I don't want to help expand the brand of anyone
Speaker 3: who would ever seek to try to undercut or undermine
Speaker 3: me in any way shape.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like people are Do you feel like
Speaker 2: you abolve the undermind and even though you see it right,
Speaker 2: it's almost like a skull despite the file.
Speaker 3: Do you I'm cool with the political undermining. In other words,
Speaker 3: me and lun are about to have a conversation about something,
Speaker 3: and I know he fundamentally disagrees with me on this point.
Speaker 3: I'm good because we keeping it politicalactly, But if somebody said, well,
Speaker 3: you know, Loon had to say this about you when
Speaker 3: you were and I'm like, ah, you just cut me
Speaker 3: in the back.
Speaker 1: Can't do it now, you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's one thing if it's a political disagreement, it's something
Speaker 3: else when you're actually trying to make me look bad
Speaker 3: off camera or trying to put some of my business.
Speaker 1: Out in the street that shouldn't be there.
Speaker 2: Then it becomes now do you think that, like, let's
Speaker 2: just say you do go six people, won Oumar, You
Speaker 2: probably are gonna be the one standing on you know, you.
Speaker 1: Have your beliefs and you don't fold. This is why
Speaker 1: we love you, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So I think they can kind of anticipate certain things
Speaker 3: that you're gonna stand on and kind of develop a.
Speaker 1: Strategy or a I can see that, right.
Speaker 3: That's kind of common though across platforms. But I'll say
Speaker 3: this though, at the Joe Button podcasts, even though they
Speaker 3: stood on their squarz, I also felt they was very
Speaker 3: respectful of my positions though, Like, even though we went
Speaker 3: at it, even me and issue on the store Buddy
Speaker 3: then we went at it, But at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, it felt like all loving it. Like when
Speaker 3: I left, I didn't that there was any animosity with anyone.
Speaker 3: When when I left out, I said, you know what,
Speaker 3: that was all right, right, I mean if we went
Speaker 3: at it, yeah, but it was still loving. You know,
Speaker 3: the value you brought to Joe. Listen, the value you
Speaker 3: brought to because see Joe, I mean he was already
Speaker 3: doing well. Yeah, but I'm this is a different game. See,
Speaker 3: this is what I'm saying. This is no longer about points, right,
Speaker 3: It's like they put points up. He's running a game.
Speaker 3: I'm running, which is a subscription model game.
Speaker 1: Okay. If you notice your.
Speaker 2: Interview never came out for a long time on YouTube,
Speaker 2: word is in the industry behind the scenes that it
Speaker 2: was upwards of tens twenty thousands of new subscriptions, which
Speaker 2: is a so it's a substantial amount of money, right,
Speaker 2: And so that value you bring, that dynamic you bring
Speaker 2: is always social valuable and I just want you to
Speaker 2: know that, which I know you know. But again, the
Speaker 2: debate style thing they've done with you came from what
Speaker 2: we had just done with Dion, Right. It was like
Speaker 2: it was more so they because yeah, people don't want
Speaker 2: to disrespect you, right, They think that, but I know
Speaker 2: you you want us so we can have these conversations
Speaker 2: like you saying, disagree on some move to the next subject,
Speaker 2: agree on that subject, agree on the next one, disagree
Speaker 2: on that one.
Speaker 1: And I know you invite the discourse.
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, you brought a lot of value to
Speaker 2: that platform, and I just wanted to know, you know,
Speaker 2: moving forward, how you felt about going on now.
Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't mind. I'm looking forward to the return. Okay, great, Yeah,
Speaker 3: they alright with me? Yeah, Now, I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: It was a good conversation, great conversation. Now, Pierce Morgan,
Speaker 3: is that off the tape. It depends on what he
Speaker 3: wants to talk about and who he wanted to talk
Speaker 3: about it with. In other words, if that would have
Speaker 3: been me on that panel, I would have kind of
Speaker 3: felt like it was a waste of my time. You
Speaker 3: follow me because that other brother who was up there
Speaker 3: from Russian Fits, they invited me to their platform. I
Speaker 3: don't know if they still together anymore, Okay, but they invited.
Speaker 1: Me about a year or two and I didn't go.
Speaker 3: And the reason I didn't go is right before I
Speaker 3: received their invitation, somebody sent me a clip of a
Speaker 3: black woman, young sister who was on a panel, and
Speaker 3: they got into a disagreement or an argument. I don't know,
Speaker 3: was it a fist they actually they put their hands
Speaker 3: on that girl. Yeah, like physically removed. So when I
Speaker 3: saw that, I couldn't. It's one thing to say I
Speaker 3: don't want to date black women, completely disrespectful for black
Speaker 3: men to say. But I might still tolerate. But if
Speaker 3: you go to the point where you are absolutely be
Speaker 3: rating and disrespecting a sister on your platform, even going
Speaker 3: so far as to allegedly put hands on it, I
Speaker 3: can't give you my energy because I know when I
Speaker 3: interview with you, everybody who follows doctor Umar wants to
Speaker 3: see it. This week alone, This week alone, I've gotten
Speaker 3: at least a dozen texts from supporters who's saying, Doctor Umar,
Speaker 3: I don't watched everything on YouTube when your next interview,
Speaker 3: you know. Truck My biggest probably my biggest constituency base
Speaker 3: amongst my supporters might be the long haul truck drivers.
Speaker 3: Blof you feel me, I hear from the long haul
Speaker 3: They say, Doc, you take me from Florida to California, right,
Speaker 3: So they'll text me and be like, Yo, where the
Speaker 3: next interview at I didn't watch these twenty times.
Speaker 1: I need some new doctor Umar.
Speaker 3: So to your point, I do know that my supporters
Speaker 3: are waiting for the next interview, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So my thing is I gotta be conscious of that.
Speaker 3: I'll give it to you. Like I probably turned down
Speaker 3: at least a dozen podcasts because I felt that you
Speaker 3: have made a crystal clear that you don't respect black
Speaker 3: people if they're Caucasians. Right, Andrew Sharks or somebody should
Speaker 3: he wanted me. Somebody sent me a clip where he
Speaker 3: shared him with Shannon Shop.
Speaker 1: I don't want to get it wrong.
Speaker 3: I don't want to misspeak about the man, but I
Speaker 3: think it was a conversation he had with him and
Speaker 3: Shannon Sharp or somebody where he kind of said something
Speaker 3: disrespectful about black women. I forget what it was, but
Speaker 3: I do remember in the moment, I said, that was
Speaker 3: a bit too far.
Speaker 1: I can't go on that platform. You'll shows have always
Speaker 1: had this.
Speaker 3: Funny relationship because he's all I don't know him, right,
Speaker 3: but because my time on the Breakfast Club, because him
Speaker 3: and Charlemagne have a podcast together, right, so he Charlemagne
Speaker 3: was the first one to say, you know, he wants
Speaker 3: you on there, and I said okay, but he got
Speaker 3: to pay, right. So then finally when they came to
Speaker 3: me and say okay, we'll pay, I'm like, all right,
Speaker 3: I might do this. And then I see the clip
Speaker 3: with him and Shannon or maybe with somebody on his show.
Speaker 1: I forget where it was.
Speaker 3: But he said something disrespectful about black women, and I said,
Speaker 3: because what he said, in my opinion, cut too low.
Speaker 3: If you cut too low, I'm not bringing you my
Speaker 3: listening audience.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you need it.
Speaker 3: You're already doing fine, but you're not gonna have the
Speaker 3: benefit of minds too.
Speaker 1: And you disrespected my community and and and and you know,
Speaker 1: both things together is what makes the explosion.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: You need wal I mean, you need heat and cold
Speaker 3: to make Caitlin Clark and Andrews. Yeah. Yeah, so when
Speaker 3: they when those mashups are way more powerful than just
Speaker 3: how are we doing another episode this week?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: Right, Umar and Andrew Schultz would be a moment. Yeah,
Speaker 2: It's like that's a moment. And he verse, right, he
Speaker 2: said they didn't pay their guests. I said, you really think?
Speaker 2: You really think?
Speaker 3: Doctor Umar E five to day the number one black
Speaker 3: scholar in the world. Number one Pan African is it
Speaker 3: ain't even close. Well, number two Pan African. It's because
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give number one to President Iberhem Tree or
Speaker 3: they of Burkina Fossil. Right, So the number two Pan
Speaker 3: African is number one in the West. And you think
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you a conversation that we know going
Speaker 3: to go viral, Oh my god, that you know you're
Speaker 3: going to get paid on a bunch of money, and
Speaker 3: you think I'm coming for free.
Speaker 1: That's why.
Speaker 3: But guess why the expectation is that is because the
Speaker 3: other black scholars in those positions that you are in
Speaker 3: will charge us and go to the white man for free,
Speaker 3: not me. In fact, you got to pay more, you understand,
Speaker 3: That's why we laugh. Most of the podcasts I've turned
Speaker 3: down have been white and they've offered nice amounts, but
Speaker 3: I can't do it because I've seen you say and
Speaker 3: do things that to me was too deep of an
Speaker 3: aspect of disrespect that would allow me to sit down
Speaker 3: and have that conversation.
Speaker 2: So do you think Schultz is racist? I believe all
Speaker 2: white people are racist, So that's not the question. The
Speaker 2: question is do I think Schultz is a bigot right.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 3: Racism is what complete controlling domination for your group of resources, opportunities,
Speaker 3: and privileges are OPI that's it. It has nothing to
Speaker 3: do with how I feel about loan. It has nothing
Speaker 3: to do with how I feel about doctor Umar. You
Speaker 3: understand I want white people to have the advantage always
Speaker 3: when it comes to resources, opportunities, and privileges.
Speaker 1: It's not personal. It's business, the business of political, economic
Speaker 1: control and domination. That's all racism is. Bigotry is when
Speaker 1: you bring in that emotional component. Bigotry is where you
Speaker 1: made it personal. Bigotry is when you say I.
Speaker 3: Not only want to have I not only want white
Speaker 3: people to dominate the resources, opportunities and privileges. The reason
Speaker 3: I want them to dominate is because I think black
Speaker 3: people are monkeys. I want them to dominate because I
Speaker 3: think they are inferior. I want them to dominate because
Speaker 3: I think God invented them to be our slaves. You
Speaker 3: see that that's bigotry. Racism ain't personal. Bigotry is Wow,
Speaker 3: it shows to bigot I don't know. I don't want
Speaker 3: to misspeak on them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I know I don't know him well.
Speaker 2: But I've been in his presence a couple times, you know,
Speaker 2: me and Charlamagne has business together with Alheart. So I've
Speaker 2: been on Brilliant Idiots and I've been I've been in
Speaker 2: this in his vicinity.
Speaker 3: I don't think he's racist, but I don't know what's
Speaker 3: going on with him. Oh right, your definition of racism
Speaker 3: I understand, So I can't.
Speaker 1: Did you say you don't think he's biggest.
Speaker 2: I think he's bigger to yes, but that's still that's
Speaker 2: for you too, damn. And and that's for you to
Speaker 2: distinguished as it pertains to your feelings, that approach to
Speaker 2: how you gather your information.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And let me say this
Speaker 1: to you.
Speaker 3: A big reason why I haven't been on these popular
Speaker 3: white podcasts is because I understand racism and how it operates.
Speaker 3: No matter what you learn from me, you're not going
Speaker 3: to change your ways because there's no Caucasian on Earth
Speaker 3: that's going to abdicate their white privilege.
Speaker 1: So black people can get a fair opportunity.
Speaker 3: So for me, it's almost a waste of time to
Speaker 3: have a conversation about race and racism with white people
Speaker 3: because you're never going to change. Yes, you do not
Speaker 3: change racism, you destroy it. You see that. So when
Speaker 3: I sit back and I get these invitations from these
Speaker 3: white podcasters, I know what y'all want to talk about.
Speaker 1: Y'all want the doctor Umar shock moment, and y'all willing
Speaker 1: to pay me for it.
Speaker 3: That's all right, But at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: I value my time and for me to sit down
Speaker 3: and have conversations about race and racism with people who
Speaker 3: are never gonna stop being racist is a waste of
Speaker 3: my damn times.
Speaker 1: Effect.
Speaker 3: I have nothing to prove to Caucasians, and that's what
Speaker 3: I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: That and a lot of people talk I can I
Speaker 2: feel that coming, Yes sir, Yes, sir. And that's the
Speaker 2: difference I would say between you and a Mark lemont Hill, right,
Speaker 2: is because in those moments, I just don't end my heart.
Speaker 2: I don't see you excusing that behavior on any level.
Speaker 2: I'm not even Joe Black. You can't say if he did,
Speaker 2: but I'm not even his. He works with Joe Budden
Speaker 2: at this point. Even his boss, Joe Budden came the
Speaker 2: next day and kind of got him online.
Speaker 1: Are we good? Is what? Okay?
Speaker 2: Switching to Tennady because it probably, Uh, it probably was that.
Speaker 2: So switching to Tennady, this is still going, so we'll
Speaker 2: keep moving. So Joe Budden actually came and kind of
Speaker 2: had a conversation with him on the next episode and
Speaker 2: he told him, He's like, why are you even own
Speaker 2: Piers Morgan.
Speaker 1: You're on Joe Budden's podcast.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 1: This is Joe talking to him.
Speaker 2: Like saying that, hey, our platform is huge, we got
Speaker 2: a lot of people listening.
Speaker 1: You're smoking right now, You're viral here, viral there. Why
Speaker 1: go there? And he was like, why should it?
Speaker 3: Because in Mark Lamont Hill, I did have a problem
Speaker 3: with him going though, because I do recognize the need
Speaker 3: to sometimes clarify who we are, and that's what I'm
Speaker 3: in white space. Yes I wasn't. I'm not against him
Speaker 3: doing it, so it's okay to do it, but just
Speaker 3: standing on the business stand on the business and for me,
Speaker 3: I'm going to pick and choose what white space is
Speaker 3: I'm going to go in, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And that's why with Pears Morgan, when I saw what
Speaker 3: he wanted to talk about, I said, this is not serious.
Speaker 3: H And my thing is, if I'm going to go
Speaker 3: into a white space, I needed to be serious.
Speaker 1: You feel me.
Speaker 3: Because I know you ain't going to change who you are.
Speaker 3: White people have never changed, never will you understand? So
Speaker 3: I know that, but at least let it be serious.
Speaker 3: But for me to come on your program, just for
Speaker 3: you to try to make a mockery of my way
Speaker 3: of life and what I'm living and dying for, it
Speaker 3: can get real personal, real quicks and I don't want
Speaker 3: to subject myself to it because at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, anybody will look me in the face and say,
Speaker 3: you knew what you were walking into.
Speaker 1: Why did you walk into it exactly? Are you familiar
Speaker 1: with the Ryan Clark and RG three forth? This happened?
Speaker 3: I am Ryan Clark and RG three, Ryan Clark and
Speaker 3: RG three.
Speaker 1: Here's where I am.
Speaker 3: So as we know, Kitlyn Clark's team was playing Angel
Speaker 3: Reese's tea and that was a hard file. Kitlyn Clark
Speaker 3: made a hard file. I saw the folk. I definitely
Speaker 3: thought it was unnecessary because I saw how she kind
Speaker 3: of pushed her a little bit.
Speaker 1: I saw it it was on purpose.
Speaker 3: I think Kitlyn Clark still arbors some animosity towards Angel
Speaker 3: Reese because Angel Reese still won the national championship so
Speaker 3: even when people saying Kaitlyn is the better player, you
Speaker 3: believe she still hates Angel Reed. Of course, because Angel
Speaker 3: Reese prevented Caitlyn Clark from getting an n c double
Speaker 3: A Women's National Championship.
Speaker 1: That matters. Yes, do you feel me? That matters?
Speaker 3: And Angel Reese is the reason Caitlyn Clark is not
Speaker 3: an nc double A champion. Angel Reese is an NCUBA champion.
Speaker 3: So no matter how many white people worship Caitlyn Clark
Speaker 3: every time she steps on the court with Angel Reese,
Speaker 3: you're the reason I don't have a college ring because listen,
Speaker 3: we don't know if she's guaranteed to ever get a
Speaker 3: w NBA championship, you feel, and that's that gap or
Speaker 3: what people perceive to be a gap in talent gets
Speaker 3: larger and larger from Caitlin an Angel It can become
Speaker 3: more offensive and more especially if Angel Reese ends up
Speaker 3: winning a w NBA championship. You understand, See, you have
Speaker 3: your popularity vote, and then you.
Speaker 1: Have your actual achievements in your profession. You see what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So, doctor Umar may be very popular in the community,
Speaker 3: but I also have my achievements as a school psychologist.
Speaker 1: You see there's a difference there.
Speaker 3: So somebody can say, you might be more popular than me,
Speaker 3: but you ain't save more children from the school to
Speaker 3: prism pipeline. In me, I can say I'm more popular
Speaker 3: than you, and I save more children from the school
Speaker 3: to prison pipe.
Speaker 1: You understand. So Caitlyn Clark can always throw in Angel
Speaker 1: Reese's face, I'm more popular than you.
Speaker 3: White people have made me the face of the league, right, yes,
Speaker 3: And Angel Reese can say that's fine, but I still
Speaker 3: got this and you don't, and I got it on
Speaker 3: your time.
Speaker 1: Do you see that? Do you see that?
Speaker 3: Because you got to understand the narcissism that is at
Speaker 3: the heart of the collective white personality. They're not supposed
Speaker 3: to lose the black people ever cooking. Now, let's go
Speaker 3: to this. First of all, I think it is such
Speaker 3: hypocrisy for white people and the nigroes who serve them
Speaker 3: like RG three, to try to turn Angel Reese into
Speaker 3: a perpetrator of a crime when she was the victim.
Speaker 3: Here once again, they have made Caitlyn Clark the victim.
Speaker 3: She committed the file. Yes, they made her the victim.
Speaker 3: That's how white privilege operates. Wow, lit. Look how when
Speaker 3: the police unlive of us right? The young man in
Speaker 3: Cincinnati whose father underlive right, underlive the police officers in
Speaker 3: the Penten in response to a police officer unliving his
Speaker 3: son right. They still made the police officer in the
Speaker 3: murder of the child. They still made the police officer
Speaker 3: the victim, although he pulled the trigger.
Speaker 1: This is how white America operates.
Speaker 3: Even when black people are victimized, you're somehow responsible for it.
Speaker 3: They made Angel Reach responsible for the hard Fire by
Speaker 3: Caitlin Clark. Now let's get the RG three and Ryan Clark.
Speaker 3: RG three does a podcast a couple of days ago,
Speaker 3: and with his white wife in the background, sitting there
Speaker 3: like a slave master supervising her slave on a plantation.
Speaker 3: With his wife in the background, RG three proceeds to insult, denigrate, incriminate,
Speaker 3: and insult and belittle Angel Reese.
Speaker 1: He mocked her using.
Speaker 3: Stereotypical, exaggerated black ghetto behavioral demonstrations, talked about how she
Speaker 3: hates Angel Reese.
Speaker 1: He said, excuse me, Angel hates Katelyn Clark.
Speaker 3: He said, blatantly, Angel Reese hates Caitlyn Clark, and I
Speaker 3: know this.
Speaker 1: Excuse me. RG three Angel Reese hates Caitlyn Clark. How
Speaker 1: do you know this.
Speaker 3: I'm a psychologist and I can't read nobody mind. I
Speaker 3: tell people all the time, I'm not a psychic. I'm
Speaker 3: a psychologist. Difference, I can't read your mind. I can
Speaker 3: analyze what comes out of it, but I can't read it.
Speaker 3: RG three became a psychic in front of his Snowbundy,
Speaker 3: telling the world.
Speaker 1: That I can't read Angel Reese's mind.
Speaker 3: First of all, even if you were a psychic, you
Speaker 3: didn't been around snow Bunny's too long for you to
Speaker 3: even understand black women. First of all, he was already
Speaker 3: married to a snow bunny, That's what Ra said, got
Speaker 3: a divorcee. She eating on the first snowbunny with the
Speaker 3: current Snowbudy. So you went from snowbunny to snow bunny.
Speaker 3: And then you got the audacity to try to be
Speaker 3: little a black woman to make your white wife feel
Speaker 3: better about herself. You don't ever know black man shit,
Speaker 3: ever insult or criticize, even honestly a black woman in
Speaker 3: the presence of a white woman, because guess what, if
Speaker 3: Angel Reese was white, he would have never said any
Speaker 3: of that. If Angel Reese was white. RG three would
Speaker 3: have never said none of that. So Ryan Clark spoke
Speaker 3: the truth. Ryan Clark said, listen, you don't have conversations
Speaker 3: about what black women go through. You've dedicated your life
Speaker 3: to not one, but two snow bunnies.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call him RG two.
Speaker 3: I'll call him RG three when he get divorced and
Speaker 3: get a third snow bunny. So he's RG two, two
Speaker 3: snow bunnies, RG two, right, yeah, yeah, And then you
Speaker 3: got her in the background showing the world how proud
Speaker 3: I am to be married to this white woman.
Speaker 1: See that. First of all, you know my position.
Speaker 3: Yeah, black men who date and marry white women wish
Speaker 3: they were white themselves.
Speaker 1: Let's just keep it a buck. You're talking about a group.
Speaker 3: Of people who have historically and systemically devalued, dehumanized, and destroyed,
Speaker 3: destroyed African life and culture, and you want to marry
Speaker 3: one of them. To marry a Caucasian is to play
Speaker 3: for their team and fight for their army. To marry
Speaker 3: a Caucasian is to play for their team and fight
Speaker 3: for their army. And then RG three, like a coward,
Speaker 3: Like a coward, he comes back at Ryan Clark. And
Speaker 3: he says, you hip below the belt. When you brought
Speaker 3: my family in this loom, he didn't bring his family
Speaker 3: in it. He said, you married two white women. He said,
Speaker 3: he talked about your this by something you don't know.
Speaker 3: You got two snow bunnies. Ryan Clark ain't talking about
Speaker 3: your wife. He didn't say one bad thing about your wife.
Speaker 3: He said nothing bad about your beautiful children. He said,
Speaker 3: you chose to marry two white women. But look at
Speaker 3: the double standard in that hypocrisy. You just disrespected a
Speaker 3: twenty three year old girl, Angel Reyese. You talked about
Speaker 3: her like a dog, told her she hates this little
Speaker 3: white girl, disrespected, He insulted her, mackda, this is what
Speaker 3: you did RG three. And because he reminded you that
Speaker 3: you go home to a white woman, he's wrong.
Speaker 1: Look at this.
Speaker 3: Ryan Clark is wrong for reminding me I married two
Speaker 3: white women. But I'm not wrong for disrespecting Angel Reese.
Speaker 3: Do you think on the internet, do.
Speaker 2: You think that him saying you went too far bringing
Speaker 2: my family and is him signaling to ESPN?
Speaker 3: Of course, because he said ESPN. He said this is
Speaker 3: not a good look for ESPN. See he said, I'm y'all.
Speaker 3: I'm I'll see me.
Speaker 1: Man's standing enough for white folks now.
Speaker 3: He is a house Nigro. And don't get me wrong,
Speaker 3: Back when he played for the Broncos, excuse me, the
Speaker 3: Red Skins, I believe it was Mike Shanahan I believe
Speaker 3: unfairly cut RG three's career short when he made him
Speaker 3: go out there and play while he was injured. I
Speaker 3: don't know if you remember that. I think he was
Speaker 3: not fully recovered right because he was a damn good
Speaker 3: court could have been one of the best. Mike Shanahan
Speaker 3: made RG three get out there and play before he
Speaker 3: was fully healed, and that stopped him from fully becoming
Speaker 3: what he should have been.
Speaker 1: I think it was wrong.
Speaker 3: So the brother's career was cut short by racism because
Speaker 3: they would have never done that too, Like why would
Speaker 3: he not say I'm not going out till I'm healed,
Speaker 3: Like the white man can make you go out knowing
Speaker 3: that you're not healed.
Speaker 1: Depends on the politics of that situation.
Speaker 2: You don't think I wouldn't have done Tonio Brown took
Speaker 2: your shirt obviously, and I'm out of here.
Speaker 3: Right, But at some point to point it comes back
Speaker 3: to whether or not you're willing to compromise your black masculinity.
Speaker 3: A big conversation that we as black men need to
Speaker 3: have with each other without our women around, is when
Speaker 3: are we going to start compromising our black masculinity for money?
Speaker 3: When are we going to stop compromising our black masculinity
Speaker 3: to get access to snow Bunny Kuchi? When are we
Speaker 3: going to stop compromising our black masculinity to get jobs?
Speaker 1: When are we going to.
Speaker 3: Stop compromising our black masculinity to access privileged white spaces?
Speaker 3: You feel me because black men, unlike any other men
Speaker 3: in this country, and understand why, because we're more under attack,
Speaker 3: we compromise our masculinity too much, too much. And for
Speaker 3: RG three to sit up there, to sit up there
Speaker 3: and say, this is a bad look for ESPN.
Speaker 1: Why are you bringing that man's job into this.
Speaker 3: That's crazy, his podcast, your podcast, your private podcast, his
Speaker 3: private podcast, and you're going to bring his job in it.
Speaker 3: So you said, because he reminded you you married two
Speaker 3: white women, he's supposed to lose his job, but it
Speaker 3: was okay for you to disrespect angeuries. Look at the difference.
Speaker 3: Don't even mention a white woman. Don't even mention a
Speaker 3: white woman, you should be fired. But it's okay for
Speaker 3: me to perfectly disrespect this young kid, this young twenty
Speaker 3: three year old sister who's been disrespected enough, and I'm
Speaker 3: going to add on top of it to prove to
Speaker 3: my wife and her family that you can trust me
Speaker 3: any time against my own people. And then people said, well,
Speaker 3: Ryan Clark has no business talking because he has a
Speaker 3: baby by snow bunny.
Speaker 1: And this is what I'll say to that.
Speaker 3: I don't know him personally, and I don't know his
Speaker 3: background well, but from what I've seen, Ryan Clark is
Speaker 3: one of the more racially conscious sports commentators we have.
Speaker 3: Stephen A goes back and forth. Sometimes steven A stand
Speaker 3: hard and other times he will sing out, you follow
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So I believe that when Ryan Clark
Speaker 3: made that beautiful child right, he was not politically speaking
Speaker 3: who he is now.
Speaker 1: I believe he had to evolve.
Speaker 3: Yes, And as I've said before, and I don't know
Speaker 3: if you and I had this conversation, but as I've
Speaker 3: said before, if a black man commits an offense against
Speaker 3: the race, such as bunny hopping, but you learn from
Speaker 3: it and you self correct, and you promised to know,
Speaker 3: go back that way, right. I don't have a problem
Speaker 3: with you coming back into the race from what I
Speaker 3: can see, and only Ryan Clark can clarify, but from
Speaker 3: what I can see, it appears that that child, that
Speaker 3: beautiful child that he made with that Caucasian woman, was
Speaker 3: made a long time ago, and since that time, Ryan
Speaker 3: Clark has grown into a socially conscious and politically loyal
Speaker 3: black man.
Speaker 1: And if that is the case, if he.
Speaker 3: Is completely completely healed from the snow Bunny crisis, he
Speaker 3: has a right to speak on it. Because Ryan Clark's
Speaker 3: wife ain't white RG three, she black, right, Yeah, and
Speaker 3: then it's true. Hey check these cameras too, sir, make
Speaker 3: sure that's still going.
Speaker 2: Also, I want to talk about this because there's a
Speaker 2: growing concern with me that I'm noticing, Like because now
Speaker 2: I have a community, right with this podcast and all
Speaker 2: of this, So sometimes I go in there and I
Speaker 2: speak with the community. I went in there and there's
Speaker 2: this constant conversation about interracial dating, and it's you. As
Speaker 2: you know, it gets a lot of traction online. People
Speaker 2: are interested in why is it divided or why is
Speaker 2: it so inclusive? There's questions on both sides, But I
Speaker 2: want to speak to speaking about RG three and black
Speaker 2: men loving white women or choosing to marry and have
Speaker 2: children and pro create with white women. It seems like
Speaker 2: that a large percentage of these gentlemen that I've bumped
Speaker 2: into have had conversation with the minute that they love
Speaker 2: on a white woman and they get into a nuclear
Speaker 2: family widder.
Speaker 1: They abandon all understanding and love that they had for
Speaker 1: black women, even their mother.
Speaker 3: Right, It's almost like the way that they speak about
Speaker 3: black women after they now are dating white the way
Speaker 3: that they feel women keep them away in the I
Speaker 3: heard one guy say something that highly offensive, keep the.
Speaker 1: Dirty mouth black women away from it.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, your mother is black, how did you
Speaker 3: abandon the love, the nurture that she gave you?
Speaker 1: What happened in that process?
Speaker 2: As a psychologist, what is your outlook on black men
Speaker 2: getting with white women and abandoning all understanding and love
Speaker 2: that they had for even a black mother.
Speaker 3: There could have been trauma from the mother in some
Speaker 3: of them circumstances. Sometimes the trauma can be so acute
Speaker 3: that the pain forces you to go into a completely
Speaker 3: different direction. That's very true. My mother abused me, My
Speaker 3: mother sexually assaulted me. My mother allowed other people to
Speaker 3: abuse me, sexually assault me. My mother was emotionally unavailable.
Speaker 3: Trauma can do that, But even in trauma loom, there
Speaker 3: is still self hate involved because you know what white
Speaker 3: people have done.
Speaker 1: To you and continue to do to you.
Speaker 3: You understand, no snow, Bunny How is ignorant of the
Speaker 3: fact that white people have been the greatest enemies of
Speaker 3: African people. Nobody is ignorant to that. So because remember now,
Speaker 3: although I don't support you going to the a rap
Speaker 3: I don't support you going to the Asian, I don't
Speaker 3: support you going to the Indian or the non African Latino.
Speaker 3: Those were still options for the Bunny Hopper. You chose
Speaker 3: white on purpose, you see. So in choosing white, you're
Speaker 3: making it clear I'm self alienated and choosing why. You're
Speaker 3: making it clear I'm a self hater and choosing why.
Speaker 3: You're making it clear I don't want my children to
Speaker 3: look like my mother. You are making it crystal clear
Speaker 3: I am switching sides, and I'm switching sides publicly and
Speaker 3: for people. And this is where I'm gonna respectfully disagree
Speaker 3: with my brother Stephen A.
Speaker 1: Smith because steven A.
Speaker 3: Smith responded to the RG three Ryan Clark situation, and
Speaker 3: I thought he gave a pretty reasonable and leveled critique.
Speaker 3: But where I'm going to disagree with my brother stephen A.
Speaker 1: Smith.
Speaker 3: And I know he had to say this because he
Speaker 3: got a bag to protect, right, he told Ryan Clark,
Speaker 3: don't bring up his wife and children. He didn't. He
Speaker 3: just reminded him that they were white. And steven A.
Speaker 3: Smith said this too, right, right, But stephen A. Smith
Speaker 3: kind of stated or alluded to the fact that his
Speaker 3: wife being white has nothing to.
Speaker 1: Do with it. You're wrong, steven A. Smith.
Speaker 3: You're wrong that man's wife being white has everything to
Speaker 3: do with this situation. Because he's disrespecting a black woman
Speaker 3: while sleeping with a white one.
Speaker 1: It has everything to do with it.
Speaker 3: You can't say a snow buddy Hopper is publicly disrespecting
Speaker 3: a twenty three year old black girl, young black sister.
Speaker 3: It has nothing to do with the fact that he's
Speaker 3: married to white women. It has everything to do with
Speaker 3: the fact that he married two white women. And Ryan
Speaker 3: Clark has a right to speak on it because he's
Speaker 3: a recovered bunny.
Speaker 1: Hopper no longer participate.
Speaker 2: Do you think that what was his logic behind why
Speaker 2: it's irrelevant personally.
Speaker 3: I just think he was protecting his job because you
Speaker 3: got to remember something with our celebrities and entertainers. And
Speaker 3: I respect Steven it because, like I said, sometimes Stephen Gohall,
Speaker 3: sometimes he coons out, but he's better than most.
Speaker 1: He's better than most. Some don't even touch it.
Speaker 3: Steven A. Smith will at least touch it. So I
Speaker 3: got to give the brother some respect in the white world.
Speaker 3: And for you to survive in it, you have to
Speaker 3: assume a racially ambiguous, a racially ambiguous attitude towards all
Speaker 3: political issues.
Speaker 1: It's a tight rope, you understand.
Speaker 3: It's a tight rope and the reason why people are
Speaker 3: trying to call for Ryan Clark's job. And I do
Speaker 3: want to support Stephen A. Smith in standing up for
Speaker 3: Ryan Clark. He said, this many is gonna lose his job.
Speaker 3: A powerful voice over there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Steven A. Smith said, I'm going to raise Holy Hell.
Speaker 3: I'm not in charge, but I'm gonna raise Holy Hell
Speaker 3: if anybody tries to fire this man for telling the
Speaker 3: truth about this man.
Speaker 1: So shout out to Steven A.
Speaker 3: Smith for taking his brother's back on that okay, But
Speaker 3: because you have to act politically naive in order to
Speaker 3: be a successful black entertainer that includes sports, you have
Speaker 3: to assume a political naiva tanne in the face of
Speaker 3: obvious injustice.
Speaker 1: Think about that, Loan, You sitting on him, Oh man, you.
Speaker 3: Sitting on the panel on TV and the police just
Speaker 3: unlive somebody RG three, Just disrespect that your little sister
Speaker 3: Angel Reese with his slave master handler.
Speaker 1: Oversee a slave dr in the back? You anymore with
Speaker 1: the wet loon, she had a whip, whippity, what pity,
Speaker 1: tear it down. Tear it down.
Speaker 3: But guess what you have to act like him having
Speaker 3: a white wife has nothing to do with this. You
Speaker 3: have to assume this posture of political naivena. You have
Speaker 3: to commit. You have to commit historical amnesia every time
Speaker 3: you go to work. Loan will think about that.
Speaker 1: Every time I go to work, I gotta act like I.
Speaker 3: Don't know what my people have been through, because if
Speaker 3: I show the slightest political integrity or cultural loyalty, I can.
Speaker 1: Lose my dereath. Go y'all.
Speaker 3: This is why Lebron James stood with Israel against Paliestine
Speaker 3: but did nothing when that brother was shot dozens of
Speaker 3: times in Akron, Ohio. Jalen Walker got hit with almost
Speaker 3: one hundred bullets by the white police, and all Lebron
Speaker 3: James said is I gotta pray.
Speaker 1: I gotta pray.
Speaker 3: But when Israel invaded Palistine, it started unliving all those
Speaker 3: people over there. You stood with Israel because as a
Speaker 3: black entertainer, if you want to be successful in white space,
Speaker 3: you have to commit his historical suicide.
Speaker 2: Every boys cooking the day you got so okay.
Speaker 1: So bag to and see here's the thing though, real quick,
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 3: Now that the white man knows Ryan Clark is not
Speaker 3: only politically conscious, they're not upset about you being politically conscious.
Speaker 1: Stephen A.
Speaker 3: Smith is politically conscious, but Ryan Clark is loyal as well. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the Lord, it's the loyalty. Ryan Clark's comments made it clear,
Speaker 3: I'm a black man.
Speaker 2: Fire yeah, because the Lord informs your decision making.
Speaker 3: Yes. So now the white man is like, damn, he's
Speaker 3: politically conscious like Stephen A. But he's more loyal to
Speaker 3: black people. He'll move on he'll move on him. So
Speaker 3: now Ryan Clark, he's not going to lose his job.
Speaker 3: But once again, there will be certain opportunities he may
Speaker 3: not get now because the power structure knows you staying
Speaker 3: with the negroes in the field, not the.
Speaker 1: Ones in the house. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And so also getting back to the community that when
Speaker 2: I went in and they was talking about, you know,
Speaker 2: the dirty mouth or just like you said, some of
Speaker 2: the historical overreaches that they use as it pertains to
Speaker 2: black women, it just doesn't feel like trauma driven to
Speaker 2: me because the particular things that they will point out,
Speaker 2: meaning because you know me, I like to have a conversation,
Speaker 2: what are you saying?
Speaker 1: What is that?
Speaker 3: Like? I'm highly upset and you're about to get kicked
Speaker 3: out of here.
Speaker 1: But before I kick you out, what is that like?
Speaker 3: Why are you talking about black women in this way
Speaker 3: in any instances? Like you say, even if honest, that means,
Speaker 3: even if it's the truth, Why is this even coming
Speaker 3: out of your mouth when your black mother took care
Speaker 3: of Because you are proving that you are politically harmless
Speaker 3: to white folks. See, the white woman for the black
Speaker 3: man is the political surrender flag loon. When I walk
Speaker 3: into a space with a white woman, I'm letting every
Speaker 3: white person know I am not loyal to my community.
Speaker 1: I'm not loyal to my mother. I'm not loyal to
Speaker 1: my father.
Speaker 3: I'm not loyal to my neighbors, the children I went
Speaker 3: to college with. I am loyal to you. The white
Speaker 3: woman is the black man's nonverbal mouthpiece. By having her
Speaker 3: next to you, you are making a political statement to
Speaker 3: the world that I am loyal to the white power structure. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and so I asked, I'm like, yo, what is man?
Speaker 3: I don't like they talk too much, they argue too much.
Speaker 3: I don't listen. Black women love me. I love black women.
Speaker 3: I don't hear no bunch of all. But here's the
Speaker 3: question I would have to any black man who maligns
Speaker 3: and denigrates black women to justify dating white. First of all,
Speaker 3: you were going to date white even if you were
Speaker 3: treated well, because your abhorrence for black women is not
Speaker 3: just about how she treated you. Your abhorrence to black
Speaker 3: women is about the fact you always wanted a white one.
Speaker 1: You're just using her as the excuse for why you
Speaker 1: are there.
Speaker 3: We've all been mistreated before by women, period, but I
Speaker 3: never abandoned on you. You understand you wanted white women anyway.
Speaker 3: You're just choosing black women as the excuse. And this
Speaker 3: is how I explain it. Who has mistreated the black
Speaker 3: man more a black woman or the white man. There
Speaker 3: is no black man in America who can say I've
Speaker 3: been mistreated more by black women than white man. You
Speaker 3: a damn lot who locked you up, whoms educated, who
Speaker 3: fired you, who won't give you a job. You understand
Speaker 3: most of the black man's problems in America were caused
Speaker 3: by the white man, not the black woman.
Speaker 1: Why you don't have the same smoke for him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's why you don't have the same smoke
Speaker 3: for America that you have for the black woman. If
Speaker 3: it's purely about how you've been treated, you should be
Speaker 3: way more angry at white men than black women as
Speaker 3: a whole. Fast it's because you love white people, and
Speaker 3: having sex with that white woman is the way you
Speaker 3: try to psychologically prove to yourself that you're equal to
Speaker 3: her white man, and an escapegoat is look, Stephen, a
Speaker 3: excuse me. Shannon Sharp and Terrell Owens said, when I
Speaker 3: went to school, black girls called me ugly. Shannon Sharp
Speaker 3: and Torell Owens. When I was young, go up through school,
Speaker 3: black women called me ugly, right, But Shannon Sharp you
Speaker 3: let a nineteen year old snow bunny put a dog
Speaker 3: leash around your damn neck and walk you around calling
Speaker 3: you monkeys and apes and the N word. So you
Speaker 3: mean to tell me you don't date black women because
Speaker 3: they called you ugly when you was a child, But
Speaker 3: you'll let a white woman dog walk your ass button
Speaker 3: neck it around her bedroom calling you every monkey and
Speaker 3: eight and in word that can be. But it's okay
Speaker 3: when a white woman disrespects me. It's okay for the
Speaker 3: white woman to put a dog collar around my neck
Speaker 3: and call me the IN word. It's okay for the
Speaker 3: white woman to put a dog collar around my neck
Speaker 3: and force me to engage and racist sexual play. But
Speaker 3: if a black girl calls me ugly, I'll never date
Speaker 3: one again. But a white woman could dog walk me
Speaker 3: button necking and call me an ape and a gorilla
Speaker 3: and an inn word, and it's perfectly fine. You a
Speaker 3: goddamn hipocria. You hate yourself and you hate black women.
Speaker 3: Stop making excuses, right, And sometimes it feels like that
Speaker 3: they don't. They don't hate black They just feel like
Speaker 3: they hate what a black woman had to be. A
Speaker 3: lot of times black women are kicked into survival mode,
Speaker 3: so sometimes that we.
Speaker 1: Are responsible for how they are.
Speaker 3: They say, I like the white woman because she's passive,
Speaker 3: she's dicil, she's feminine, she's supportive. She don't she allows
Speaker 3: me to lead. You know why, because she don't need
Speaker 3: you for anything. Idiot, The white woman needs nothing from
Speaker 3: the black man. Let me say it again. The white
Speaker 3: woman needs nothing from the black man. Let me say
Speaker 3: it one more time. The white woman needs nothing from
Speaker 3: the black man. And when she's tired of you, she
Speaker 3: just accuse you of rape or get a divorce and
Speaker 3: take half your damn back. Shannon Sharp about to pay
Speaker 3: this white girl twenty five thousand dollars per cheek, and
Speaker 3: she looked like two down thirteen Steve, Nah, looks like a.
Speaker 1: Thirteen year old boy. Yeah, you're gonna.
Speaker 3: Pay her twenty five thousand dollars before I ask cheek.
Speaker 3: She don't even have man. She looked like she needed
Speaker 3: to be passing somne. And then they got the nerd
Speaker 3: to be calling black women gold diggers. Well, if black
Speaker 3: women are the gold diggers, loom, show me a OnlyFans model,
Speaker 3: Show me a black OnlyFans model who are about to
Speaker 3: get twenty five thousand dollars a cheek and them sisters
Speaker 3: got fat ass.
Speaker 1: They's worth you feel me?
Speaker 3: You talk about set up, They got to set up
Speaker 3: body and they not getting twenty five granded cheak. I'm
Speaker 3: looking at this white girl, ain't got no backside, and
Speaker 3: you about to give a twenty five granded cheek. Because
Speaker 3: it wasn't about the body. It wasn't about the look.
Speaker 3: It was the craven.
Speaker 1: It was about the color of the flesh.
Speaker 3: This is about whiteness. I want proximity to a whiteness.
Speaker 3: Do you think, Shannon Close? I am to white people,
Speaker 3: the better I feel about myself. So you think Shannon Shaw,
Speaker 3: because because I sometimes think that it's the activity, you
Speaker 3: don't find an odd that the brothers who go the
Speaker 3: most for the white girls tend to be the darker brothers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely find it.
Speaker 3: And I'm saying this as a dark skinned brother and
Speaker 3: look at him. Don't get me wrong. You get light
Speaker 3: skinned brothers and mixed race brothers. They got a white mother.
Speaker 3: We understand not acceptable, but we understand. You get light
Speaker 3: skinned brothers who only day white.
Speaker 1: But in my.
Speaker 3: Experience, my dark skin brothers, they go crazy over snow
Speaker 3: bunny vagina. They go crazy over snow bunny, but activate
Speaker 3: some get RG three.
Speaker 1: You just got a divorce and went in white stuff.
Speaker 3: Another funny self hatred brother. There's a book France for
Speaker 3: Nan I never know. I don't know if you heard
Speaker 3: of him. He was from Martinique. He's one of our
Speaker 3: greatest black revolutionaries. They murdered him not too long after
Speaker 3: they murdered doctor King. They had to get him out
Speaker 3: the way because he was serious. He was a psychiatrist.
Speaker 3: He wrote a book called Black Skin, White Mass. Every
Speaker 3: snow Bunny Hopper needs to read Black Skin, White Mass.
Speaker 3: And guess what. But he had a snow bunny. But
Speaker 3: he told the truth. He told the truth. He talked
Speaker 3: about how black men who date white women have an
Speaker 3: aspect of self hate and by dating her, you're trying
Speaker 3: to baptize yourself into equality with the Caucasian men.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: And that's why I don't trust black men who date
Speaker 3: white women at all.
Speaker 1: Ever, never you go home to my enemy and you.
Speaker 3: Don't think I know, you telling how what we just
Speaker 3: talked about, because you got to remember the black man
Speaker 3: knows he's always at the mercy of her