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Speaker 1: Yo, yo, yo yo. Welcome to It's Up There Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I am your active and attractive hosts for another episode

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Speaker 2: of the fastest growing podcasts in the market. Right now,

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Speaker 2: I do want to salute to each and every person

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Speaker 2: that has clicked this video. We have one of my

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Speaker 2: favorite people in the world back on this up There podcast.

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Speaker 2: We are in high here in season two and we

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Speaker 2: have my friend, my partner, doctor Umar Johnson.

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Speaker 1: How are you, my brother some in Pan Africanism.

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Speaker 3: Glad to be back in Nashville on Its Up There podcast.

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Speaker 1: Good to see you, my brother man.

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Speaker 2: I got a lot of love for you, and you know,

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Speaker 2: always always position that first right because no matter our

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Speaker 2: conversations is to learn it's for people to actually grab

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Speaker 2: something from it, and a lot of the people enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: I do see some of your fan base, which you

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Speaker 2: have a rather large fan base, some of.

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Speaker 1: Them don't understand our dynamic.

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Speaker 2: They don't understand that sometimes I give you room to

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Speaker 2: clarify position you know what I'm saying, and I try

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Speaker 2: to push a little more for the peopure is necessary exactly,

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Speaker 2: and so I just want to set that standard before

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Speaker 2: we even move forward, that it's a lot of respect

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Speaker 2: in this room between us and what we do here

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Speaker 2: is for our people to actually get something from conversations

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Speaker 2: rather than just sit down and have this powerwow and

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Speaker 2: no one actually deposits anything or withdraws anything.

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Speaker 3: So I want to set that standard. First, how have

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Speaker 3: you been up. I've been well, my brother, I've been

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Speaker 3: well since the last time we connected. What has been

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Speaker 3: going on well with regard to Frederick Douglas Marcus Govey.

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Speaker 1: Brother, we down to the doors and the floors. That's it.

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Speaker 3: Once we get that done, we'll be applying for certificate

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Speaker 3: occupancy by the doors. What I mean by that is

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Speaker 3: when we took over the building, we got everything rekeyed,

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Speaker 3: but I didn't get the classrooms rekey.

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Speaker 1: So I'm working with a black locksmith.

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Speaker 3: He got to rekey every class you know, give me

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Speaker 3: three copies mass the key, custodian key. I'm waiting on

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Speaker 3: him now, so once he gives me an estimate of

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Speaker 3: what this is going to cost. The doors. The other

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Speaker 3: thing is the floors. So we had there's sixteen rooms

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Speaker 3: in the school. There's more than sixteen, but we have

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Speaker 3: sixteen that we got to either tie or carpet because

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Speaker 3: we had twelve of them that had rugs in them,

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Speaker 3: we had to take them out because you know, they

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Speaker 3: was old and funky. While the building sat right so

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Speaker 3: it's concrete, you got to cover that up.

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Speaker 1: So we got about twelve that got to be covered.

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Speaker 3: The other four I want them to match the other rooms,

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Speaker 3: so it's going to be sixteen. We did get to

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Speaker 3: estimates from two commercial companies, pretty expensive, you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean. They wanted about sixty g's to do them

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Speaker 3: sixteen floors, and I'm like ouch. So I'm trying to

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Speaker 3: see if I can work with some of my brothers,

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Speaker 3: and as you know, we haven't had the best of

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Speaker 3: luck with our brothers. But miraculously, coincidentally, one of the

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Speaker 3: brothers out of Chester, PA contractor, he reached out. He

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Speaker 3: does business in Delaware. He said, let me come see

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Speaker 3: the floors. I might be able to beat the price.

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Speaker 3: So when I get back to Philly, hopefully, if he

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Speaker 3: can beat that price, we on. Because to be honest

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Speaker 3: with you, Loan, we've been done for about a year.

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Speaker 3: When we painted the school last year, the only thing

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Speaker 3: that needed to be done was the floors, but the

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Speaker 3: paint wasn't perfect. So in me trying to get the

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Speaker 3: paint job done perfect. We wasted a whole year. You

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Speaker 3: follow what I'm saying. So now I'm like, forget it.

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Speaker 3: Let's get everything done and if I need to go

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Speaker 3: back and touch up on the paint, we do it later.

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Speaker 3: But I can't keep letting years go by, because, as

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Speaker 3: you know, when you do this kind of work, time fly.

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Speaker 1: Yeahel you noticed that interview next thing? You know? Six months?

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Speaker 3: What? Yeah, I would say the one downside of speaking

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Speaker 3: and traveling and interviewing, your life speeds up twenty four

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Speaker 3: all a blur, Yeah, the life.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, the year's over.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So you know I learned that you got to

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Speaker 3: keep your foot on the gas because if you don't

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Speaker 3: fire another five years ago by, we still not open,

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Speaker 3: you feel me? So we've been done except floora's doors

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Speaker 3: and paint for yet.

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Speaker 3: So technically this should have got done last year, but

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to complain.

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Speaker 1: All things in divine toim in facts?

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Speaker 2: Do you feel as though you still have the same desires?

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Speaker 2: The fire still burning? The fire still burn.

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Speaker 3: Sometime the fire go dim, right, you get discouraged, you know,

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Speaker 3: but something always happens to bring you back. You know,

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Speaker 3: I'm very heavy into my spirituality, so I do a

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Speaker 3: lot of solitude. You know, in fact, when people ask

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Speaker 3: me about romantic relationships, a big reason why I'm not

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Speaker 3: in one is and our sisters are good people, right,

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Speaker 3: but when you are on a political mission that has

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Speaker 3: a spiritual foundation, sometimes women can adjust their life style

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Speaker 3: of yours. And so when you come off the road

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Speaker 3: and you need a couple of days to just get

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Speaker 1: I can't do that right now. I got to get

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Speaker 3: And so when I'm learning on the romantic side that

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Speaker 3: when you date a sister, when you have a spiritual

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Speaker 3: calling on my life, because although my work is political,

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Speaker 3: it's spiritually based. You got to make sure you have

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Speaker 3: a woman who can accommodate your mission, because a lot

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Speaker 3: of women want to take you from your mission and

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Speaker 3: put all of your attention on her. And don't get

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Speaker 3: me wrong, you have needs and you have a right

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Speaker 3: to those needs. But at the same time, you got

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Speaker 3: to temper some of that because of who you win.

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Speaker 1: You see what I'm.

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Speaker 3: Saying, I'm not the rapper, I'm not the actor, I'm

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Speaker 3: not the comedian. I'm not the dancer. You know, I'm

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Speaker 3: not the entertainer. I'm an activist. You're forgetting that, yes,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And so sometimes women can

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Speaker 3: drain you even more.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, and it becomes more of a detriment to the

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Speaker 1: And that's why the honor.

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Speaker 3: But Marcus Gorvey said, as much as I loved my wife,

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Speaker 3: being married was a detriment to my work exactly because

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Speaker 3: you got to constantly appease the queen. Yes and understanding,

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Speaker 3: she got needs. But this is about the race, This

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Speaker 3: is about the people. And if I got to constantly

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Speaker 3: keep debating with you, pleading with you, explaining to you

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Speaker 3: that you clearly don't respect my mission. And as I

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Speaker 3: listen to a lot of you know, spiritual work and

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Speaker 3: read a lot of spiritual work, they talk about how

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Speaker 3: you got to make sure you equally yoked because that partner,

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Speaker 3: that relationship, even though she don't mean no harm, she

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Speaker 3: don't mean no harm, but that relationship will drain you

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Speaker 3: of your purpose. And that's why a lot of great

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Speaker 3: men they went at its.

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Speaker 1: A loon like me.

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Speaker 3: And see right now, me and you speaking of it

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Speaker 3: is like it's and it gets harder. And I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: tell you something.

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Speaker 2: I greatly undervalued the ability to find a partner on

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Speaker 2: this level. Before I got to this level, I would

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Speaker 2: assured you that.

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Speaker 1: Our boy to be boy, what is it? Peas and beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Cover girl or seid shit like man, we get money,

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Speaker 2: we successful, We read, and we up earth.

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Speaker 3: We taking care of children. It's business being took care of.

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Speaker 3: But as you get further and further, you see, oh,

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Speaker 3: this is deeper than just a bed mate. It's a

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Speaker 1: Soul mate.

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Speaker 2: It's deeper than that. It's sober than that. And so man,

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Speaker 2: I definitely understand that. Let me ask you this, how

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Speaker 2: long have you been on the road chasing this thing?

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Speaker 3: WHOA I'm going to say, I've always been into activism

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Speaker 3: Garvey Movement, You and I a Philly. But if you

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Speaker 1: Yes, what receipts does that leave on a man?

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Speaker 1: And as you know, President Dwight D.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, when was this?

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Speaker 3: This was he was assassinated January seventeenth, nineteen sixty one. Whoa.

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Speaker 3: And it took out Malcolm for in fact, Malcolm often

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Speaker 1: And he kind of was the Patrice Lamoon Bright of Blackham. Right.

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Speaker 2: Also, brother, please don't record this whole thing, because of

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Speaker 1: We'll get to that the second.

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Speaker 2: So on your journey, you basically have to bury your

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say bury, but I would say you are

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Speaker 3: But the bottom line is when you do this kind

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Speaker 3: really don't seek to keep this relationship going as strong

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Speaker 3: But you know who I felt really embodied the activist

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Speaker 1: I know what this is about. I was ready for

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Speaker 3: Because she was about it too, And when he got

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Speaker 3: She was only there because you was popular, which has

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Speaker 3: the things they say inadvertently, Oh, you off running to

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Speaker 3: not good because if you and I ever got together,

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Speaker 3: you will not raise my baby in this And when

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Speaker 3: you do you feel me?

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Speaker 1: Yes? And some of that is due to the fact

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Speaker 3: Voice dis enchanted over the fact, Yes, that they saw

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Speaker 3: Think about that, Think about that that hurt. Don't think

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Speaker 3: about that that uncom died, right, Betty struggled.

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Speaker 1: Do you worry about that? Uh? Worry.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna say no, and I'm gonna tell you why,

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Speaker 3: because it's a given you didn't already seen it. You

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Speaker 3: I got to study their political character, not they personal.

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Speaker 3: I'll never know that political. And if I see you

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Speaker 3: in this about the hustle, if I see you more

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Speaker 3: in this about anything that's serving the people, I know

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Speaker 3: you're not genuine because in this, this is sacrifice exact.

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Speaker 3: You do not benefit of the class extent, of the

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Speaker 3: love is the love of the people. There's nothing like

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Speaker 1: They looking like, I said, who is this guy? You

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Speaker 3: Right? And I love because you know, they think they

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Speaker 3: got to know everything. They come over, who are you?

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Speaker 3: I feel like I should know you. Listen to that though,

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Speaker 3: I feel, why do you feel you need.

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Speaker 1: To know me? And then I say I'm just a psychologist.

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Speaker 1: Then they still like, okay.

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Speaker 3: But first of all, they shot because they thought you

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Speaker 1: Make sense that reaction psychologists. You see what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: And I just kind of leave it like that, because

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Speaker 3: you never know who you're dealing with, Like the stewardess

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Speaker 3: to ask you. I don't like to give them too

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Speaker 3: much unless they black, right, because you might put some

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Speaker 2: What I've always appreciated about you, whether you would getting

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Speaker 1: Of your rhetoric, of what your position is, of your mission.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's very important to see a black

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Speaker 3: If they let on seeing then if they let him on,

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Speaker 1: You never see me on there. Now. I just got

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Speaker 3: I didn't accept it because I noticed with some of them,

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Speaker 3: and you see at all, that's what pears Morgan. I

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Speaker 1: Before. He and I have shared in ways maybe three times, right, Okay.

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Speaker 3: I turned down down interview right because I said, I

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Speaker 3: I Am not going to go on this show and

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Speaker 3: debate another black man, even though he is a coon

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Speaker 3: reached out Loo and I'm thinking we're gonna have a

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Speaker 3: and talk. No, I want you to debate jesse Lee Peterson.

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Speaker 3: You already know what he stands for. You already know

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Speaker 3: want us to fight each other for the imertainment of cars.

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Speaker 2: I'm not doing and I appreciate you, I'm saying. On

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Speaker 2: that matter of fact, let's get to peers. So Piers

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Speaker 2: panel Let me get the names right. I think it

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Speaker 1: Uh, I mean I don't have the names.

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Speaker 2: Nonetheless, it was Piers Morgan, Mark Lamont, Heel marrin games from.

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Speaker 1: Freddy Clip right, and and so what we had.

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Speaker 2: What we had is Piers Morgan was in a scenario

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Speaker 2: where he he asked for this young lady.

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Speaker 1: He invited her to say a racial slur.

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Speaker 4: People stand up for themselves. We're a labeled And by

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Speaker 4: the way, you call people when you want them to

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Speaker 4: stop talking about.

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Speaker 5: No, No, I called you because you admitted you were

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Speaker 5: hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. I called

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Speaker 5: just to be clear, I called you because you openly,

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Speaker 5: proudly admitted your artist. So it wasn't the question of

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Speaker 5: this out of you. You proudly sat there boulders bras.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, I use the N word all the time

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Speaker 5: against black people. I'm a racist and I'm proud of it.

439
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Speaker 5: That's what you did.

440
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 4: Racism is just having a preference. I prefer not to

441
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Speaker 4: live around black people. I prefer not to live in

442
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Speaker 4: a country where white people in our country are disproportionately

443
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Speaker 4: attacked by black people. Where in my country you can

444
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 4: have an Austin Metcalf where he asks a guy to

445
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,919
Speaker 4: leave and he gets stabbed in the heart. I prefer

446
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,679
Speaker 4: that that's a preference. Now, what a real racist is,

447
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 4: in my opinion, as seeing someone as less human. I'm

448
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,919
Speaker 4: a Christian. I believe everyone's creating God's image, so I

449
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 4: don't see anyone as less human. But that doesn't mean

450
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Speaker 4: I'm not allowed to have a preference and say I

451
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Speaker 4: don't like what happens to be coming out of this

452
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,360
Speaker 4: community or that community. How is that a bad thing?

453
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Speaker 4: How is that not just a preference?

454
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Speaker 5: Because you've literally made black people sound lesser humans, you

455
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 5: don't want to live around them, you want to use

456
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Speaker 5: the N word in relation to them, a word that

457
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 5: you know causes that community unbelievable fact, my fault is.

458
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Speaker 4: That my fault if they have bad behavior, if they

459
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Speaker 4: want to act in a certain way, if I have

460
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Speaker 4: to cross the street and be afraid that maybe because

461
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 4: of the statistics that are very real. By the way,

462
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 4: is that my fault or is that their fault for

463
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 4: having bad behavior?

464
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Speaker 6: That's mind boggling to me for multiple reasons. I mean,

465
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 6: we're talking about bad behavior. You know, we've never touched you,

466
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 6: we've never enslaved you, we've never done any of the

467
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 6: deep seated structural forms of injustice to white people that

468
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 6: white people have done to black people, and yet to

469
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Speaker 6: claim some kind of moral superiority in the midst of

470
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Speaker 6: and again in the context of a conversation where a

471
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Speaker 6: white woman is calling a five year old autistic child

472
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Speaker 6: the inward and we're talking about black people's bad behavior.

473
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Speaker 6: This is absurd and the idea of fighting fire with

474
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Speaker 6: fire again is a dishonest argument. Just to take us

475
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Speaker 6: back to the point here, the people who are supporting

476
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Speaker 6: criminal Anthony's campaign believe that he was wrongfully charged, and

477
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Speaker 6: they're trying to get him legal defense.

478
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Speaker 1: The people who are.

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Speaker 6: Defending this woman are saying, yes, we know you call

480
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Speaker 6: it the five year autistic black child the in word,

481
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Speaker 6: and we want more of it, we approve of it,

482
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Speaker 6: we support it. These are not the same thing, and

483
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 6: it's bonkers to me that we couldn't all stand and say, hey,

484
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Speaker 6: it is wrong to call a five year old autistic

485
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Speaker 6: black child.

486
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Speaker 2: The racial slur was in front of Mark Lamont Hill

487
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 2: and another guy who's who's a black man. The other

488
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 2: guy who's a black man, had a gun and he

489
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 2: would press the trigger and it'll, it'll, it'll, put out

490
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Speaker 2: a flag and say you're on it. During the interview

491
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Speaker 2: doing it, I didn't see that part because they would

492
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Speaker 2: blur out on certain platforms, they wouldn't let it, and

493
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Speaker 2: so I wanted to ask you, what is your reaction

494
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Speaker 2: to that clip of that situation. That is the exact

495
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Speaker 2: type of situation that I don't want to be a

496
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Speaker 2: part of. I don't mind the racism, but let it

497
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Speaker 2: be someone of an established intellectual background. But for you

498
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Speaker 2: to just grab idiots in buffoons off social media because

499
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Speaker 2: they have an opinion and asked me to converse with them,

500
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 2: I feel like you're belittling my work. Yes, and you're

501
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 2: belittling my And that's what it was. The young lady

502
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 2: was just a social media girl who says, I like

503
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Speaker 2: to say, you're no expertise.

504
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 3: In anything, no community activism, no type of corporation that

505
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 3: she's established, you know, no type of political resume, just

506
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 3: a nobody. My thing is at least let it be

507
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 3: someone who people listen to, you know what I mean,

508
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 3: and listen to for serious opinion, not your shock value.

509
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Speaker 1: And that's what they'll do.

510
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 2: They'll they'll try to mix out greats with they bullshit

511
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:35,479
Speaker 2: and trade.

512
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm not doing that.

513
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 3: And when he reached out to me, brother Loom, if

514
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Speaker 3: memory serves me correctly, it was a week or two

515
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 3: before that interview, so I believe he wanted me as

516
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 3: a part of that because in the email that I

517
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 3: got from his assistant, it specifically said that they wanted

518
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 3: to discuss the fundraising behind our brother down in Texas.

519
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Speaker 1: Right, the young brother who ended his life.

520
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 3: Okay, and it's now facing charges and hopefully he will

521
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 3: be victorious. We're gonna pray Mello, right, Carmelo Anthony. They

522
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 3: wanted to discuss the fundraising between Carmelo Anthony and the

523
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Speaker 3: Shiloh Hendricks I believe is her name. Yes, And I'm

524
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 3: looking at this request and I'm saying, of all the

525
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 3: things we can discuss, we want to talk about gofund me.

526
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Speaker 3: I already knew it was nonsense, right, this is all

527
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 3: you want to discuss with the UMAR, this fundraiser and

528
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 3: this fundraiser. I said, this is nonsense. I believe he

529
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Speaker 3: wanted me on that platform.

530
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Speaker 1: Did you see Mark Lamont heel's response to it where

531
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Speaker 1: I thought he did a good job? Okay? Did ado.

532
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 2: He's receiving some backlash because because he this is what

533
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Speaker 2: I say, this difference between what did he say and

534
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 2: didn't next and I didn't see the old thing.

535
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Speaker 1: This is what he said.

536
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Speaker 3: So he says, here's Morgan advice the young lady to

537
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Speaker 3: say that in we're go ahead and say it. Go

538
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 3: ahead and say she said she no. Mark Lamont jumps in, Okay,

539
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Speaker 3: I do not want you to tell her to say

540
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Speaker 3: the N word in front of me, because I'm the

541
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Speaker 3: only one up here that's gonna be. He was on

542
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 3: the right track. Then he uttered, Piers, I know you

543
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 3: don't mean any harm.

544
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Speaker 2: And then that's when and when that's when a lot

545
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 2: of people were took him back because.

546
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,719
Speaker 3: Why would you give him any out in that moment?

547
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 3: He clearly is inviting this discourse. Why is he as

548
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 3: the white man who's facilitating the conversation. And also even

549
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 3: if he was there quiet, I would say he holds

550
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 3: some responsibility.

551
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 1: Because he engineeredhographically.

552
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Speaker 3: But the fact that he was the one to say,

553
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:43,719
Speaker 3: go ahead, say it and then the hook, yeah, for

554
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 3: you to let him off the hook?

555
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 2: Now, Mark Mark Lamont he a response to this and says,

556
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Speaker 2: I only done that because I didn't want them to

557
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 2: cut out the part where I where I told him

558
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Speaker 2: do not allow her to say that, Well, it's like

559
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 2: a strategic bag down.

560
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 3: I don't respect those right, like in that setting. Now

561
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 3: if we're talking war and you know, other settings.

562
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 2: Great, but he received some backlash for basically letting Piers.

563
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: Morgan off the hook in that moment to that, what

564
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: do you say?

565
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't want to speak on that directly because

566
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 3: I didn't see it. I'm going to give doctor Mark

567
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 3: Lamonehill the benefit of the doubt.

568
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Speaker 1: Okay, do you want to see it, because we can

569
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Speaker 1: show you the clip. I don't mind. I can take

570
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: a look at it.

571
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 3: Take a look at it. You know, it could have

572
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 3: just been human error. I'm hoping, you know, if that's

573
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 3: the only thing that took place, it could have just

574
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 3: been human error. I'm hoping it wasn't as egregious as

575
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 3: what I saw the other day when President Donald Trump

576
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 3: had a meet and greet interview with.

577
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Speaker 1: The President of South Africa.

578
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Speaker 3: I don't know if you caught that, but I was

579
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Speaker 3: very disappointed in the way that President Ramapulsa of South

580
00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 3: Africa conducted himself with President Trump. I really feel that

581
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 3: he allowed President Trump to drive the conversation.

582
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Speaker 1: And to see him meet. I didn't get the chance

583
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Speaker 1: to win. We got to watch it.

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Speaker 3: I felt like he completely disrespected the South African people,

585
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 3: who I love. I'm very close with the South African family,

586
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 3: and I felt the President of South Africa did not

587
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 3: assert the dignity of his people by defending why so

588
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 3: many South Africans are considering appropriating land from these Caucasians

589
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 3: because y'all invaded our country centuries ago, stole that land,

590
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 3: enslaved us on our own territory, and now you have

591
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 3: the audacity, President Trump to call me a criminal to

592
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 3: take back what was stolen from me by white criminals.

593
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 3: And I really felt the President of South Africa let

594
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump push an untrue narrative in his face.

595
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Speaker 1: In his face, I would, I know you not say

596
00:29:59,000 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: nothing back.

597
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 3: Really felt he dishonored all of the great South African

598
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 3: leaders that have come before him.

599
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: You understand, no way Shakazulu was gonna do that.

600
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Speaker 3: You found no way, Chris Hani, no way, Steve Beeko,

601
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 3: no way. Robert Sebukwe was going to sit in the

602
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 3: White House understanding what the US government has done to

603
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 3: Africa and sit there and let President Trump accuse you

604
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Speaker 3: of being complicit in genocide when this country has financed

605
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 3: genocide against different African populations throughout time. I really felt

606
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 3: he did the South African people a disservice by letting

607
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 3: Donald Trump treat him like he was a child.

608
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Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about. So and I got respect

609
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: from Mark lemanheiel. I think he's a scholar.

610
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: But what what what is that? Like? What is that like?

611
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: What it's it's the coon chip?

612
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Speaker 3: And what I mean by that when you're raised and

613
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 3: white public school, when you're raised in a black church

614
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 3: that's filled with white Jesus images. We are conditioned from

615
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 3: childhood brother Loom to serve and service Caucasians, and you

616
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 3: have to become conscious of your subservience in their presence

617
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 3: so you can work to undo it. Because what in effect,

618
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 3: is happening in that moment with President Ramaposa, if this

619
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 3: happened with doctor Mark lemon Hill, their unconscious takes over.

620
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 3: You see this, you don't even recognize you are conceding

621
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 3: your masculinity to this Caucasian male. You're not even conscious

622
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 3: of it. It is your unconscious conditioning that is kicking

623
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 3: in without your knowledge, forcing you to get down on

624
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 3: bended knee before these Caucasians. And you won't do that.

625
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 3: In fact, I'm gonna go harder with the Caucasian to

626
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 3: make sure my coon chip if if it's still there,

627
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 3: doesn't get activated.

628
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: You feel me.

629
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 3: So if they say doctor Uma, we might have one

630
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 3: or two whites in the room.

631
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,719
Speaker 1: Cool, But I need you to know something.

632
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 3: I don't change my message, So make sure you understand

633
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 3: that I'm not changing. Same thing. With the universities. Well,

634
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 3: you know there's going to be white students in the audience.

635
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:22,719
Speaker 3: This is a predominantly white institution that's fine, but I

636
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 3: don't change my message. Make sure they understand that.

637
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: And that's what it to us is so important because yes,

638
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: you see these scholars that the smarter they get, it's

639
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: like they lose the veracity that that black men have.

640
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna tell you a big reason why there's

641
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 3: a few fears associated with the black male ego. One

642
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 3: fear is money. Unfortunately, we'll put cash above the honor

643
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,959
Speaker 3: that we should have in defending our people. Right right,

644
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 3: I disrespect if I offend, because you're not disrespecting. If

645
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 3: I offend this Caucasian, it might mess with my pocketbook.

646
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: I couldn't care less.

647
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 3: In fact, I tell people all the time one of

648
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 3: the best things ever happened to me was growing up

649
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 3: in the North Central Philadelphia ghetto, because once you taste poverty,

650
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: you're not afraid of it.

651
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: Exactly.

652
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 3: You feel me exactly, I'll go back if I need again.

653
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying. So that's number one, the

654
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 3: loss of money. Another one is the loss of access

655
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 3: to white space man, both in the media and in

656
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Speaker 3: the social world. I'll give you an example, and I

657
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Speaker 3: know we're going to talk about this later, but I

658
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Speaker 3: want to give you an example, take Shannon Sharp, real Quick.

659
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Speaker 3: Shannon will not be affected financially, I don't think as

660
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 3: a result of this lawsuit, because in the social media

661
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 3: world there really is no code of ethics.

662
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Speaker 1: It's all about views.

663
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Speaker 3: Right, Financially, I think he still gets his contract. You

664
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 3: know where he may lose. You know where Sean Puffy

665
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 3: Combs may lose if he wins the case. They will

666
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Speaker 3: ever again get invited to certain privileged white functions. And

667
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 3: as a member of the black bourgeoise, having access to

668
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Speaker 3: white's fanities.

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Speaker 1: Is sometimes worth more than the money. Yes, do you

670
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: feel me?

671
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 3: Yes, getting invited to this, getting invited to that, going

672
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 3: on these exclusive retreats with these billionaires.

673
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: You may never get that invitation again.

674
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 3: And so sometimes the black scholar not saying doctor Hill

675
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 3: did this, but I've seen it done, so I know

676
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 3: what you mean.

677
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Speaker 1: I'm going to compromise my people's truth.

678
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 3: I'm going to compromise my people's truth in this moment

679
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 3: because if I get branded as a black man, think

680
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,959
Speaker 3: about that, if I get branded as a black man

681
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 3: by the white man, I might lose opportunities to be

682
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 3: around white people.

683
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Speaker 2: Yes, and that's kind of your only one up in

684
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Speaker 2: a lot of black spaces.

685
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Speaker 3: Is that?

686
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Speaker 4: No? Know?

687
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Speaker 1: I be at the white party bingo because we value

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Speaker 3: This is while we'll go to the bet Awards and

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Speaker 3: we'll fight. Yes, we never fought that the grammaro.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel men? Will Smith slapped Chris Rock and

692
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Speaker 1: they banding for a year? You feel me?

693
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Speaker 3: And I still don't know if he's allowed to go back.

694
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Speaker 3: Now you're not gonna do that, yes, in white space, right,

695
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 3: but you'll do it around yes.

696
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Speaker 1: Yes. Now let's take a look at this. I want

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719
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Speaker 3: the money.

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Speaker 1: Yes, do you feel me? Yes?

721
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 3: Getting invited to this, yes, getting invited to that, going

722
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 3: on these exclusive retreats with these billionaires, you.

723
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: May never get that invitation again.

724
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 3: And so sometimes the black scholar not saying dot that

725
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 3: he'll did this, but I've seen it done, so I

726
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 3: know what you mean. I'm going to compromise my people's truth.

727
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 3: I'm going to compromise my people's truth in this moment

728
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,479
Speaker 3: because if I get branded as a black man, think

729
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 3: about that. If I get branded as a black man

730
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 3: by the white man, I might lose opportunities to be

731
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 3: around white people. Yes, and that's that's kind of your

732
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 3: only one up in a lot of black spaces is

733
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 3: that No, I be at the white party bingo because

734
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 3: we value everything they do more than what we do.

735
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 3: This is while we'll go to the b ET Awards

736
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 3: and we'll fight. Yes, we never fought that the grammar?

737
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 3: Do you feel me? Will Smith slapped Chris Rock and

738
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 3: they banding for a year?

739
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: You feel me? And I still don't know if he's

740
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: allowed to go back.

741
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,439
Speaker 3: Now, you're not going to do that in white space, right,

742
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 3: but you'll do it around Yes, Yes, Now let's take

743
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 3: a look at this.

744
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: I want you to look at it really quick. One

745
00:37:59,239 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: second half.

746
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 6: I want you to invite this woman to say a

747
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 6: racially harmful terment on me because I'm the only I'm

748
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 6: the only on here, so if she says it, I'm

749
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 6: the victim of it. So please don't invite her for

750
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 6: ratings to call me the inwork because that's basically what

751
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 6: it's going to be. There's a bunch of white people

752
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 6: up here, you and what one uncle Tom on the

753
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 6: on the left ear and ask for her to say

754
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 6: the N work while I'm here.

755
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: As ridiculous.

756
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 6: You would not sit here with a Jewish person and say,

757
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 6: please use a Jewish slur in front of the Jewish.

758
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 6: It's ridiculous. I understand you don't have any bad in

759
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 6: tip Piers. I understand what you're trying to do. I

760
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 6: don't want to invite a racial harm to.

761
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 5: Me, and I accept that. I'm gonna leave it there,

762
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 5: Thank you all very much.

763
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: Now, I didn't hear him say what you said.

764
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 3: Okay, it might be another speak because I appreciate what

765
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 3: doctor Hill said.

766
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: There. He stood his ground.

767
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 4: Ok here we go.

768
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's not it. Hold on, he's definitely said it.

769
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 2: But uh well, yeah man, this is this.

770
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Speaker 1: Is and he addressed it. He actually addressed the fact

771
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: that that it blew up online and people like yo,

772
00:38:58,440 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 1: you saying why.

773
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 4: Would you say labeled a racist him by the way,

774
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 4: this is a long racist. When you want them to

775
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 4: stop talking about.

776
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 5: No, no, I called you a racist because you admitted

777
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 5: you are racist.

778
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: You can get a respect.

779
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 5: Hang on, hang on. I called just to be clear,

780
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 5: Just to be clear, I called you a racist because

781
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 5: you openly, proudly nitted.

782
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 1: You're a racist.

783
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 5: So it was a question of exposing you or pointing

784
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 5: a finger or trying to get this out of you.

785
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 5: You proudly sat there, bold as brass and said, yeah,

786
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 5: he's the one.

787
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: All the time.

788
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,959
Speaker 5: I guess black people, I'm a racist and might proud

789
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,919
Speaker 5: of it. That's what you did.

790
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 4: This is a racism is just having a preference. I

791
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 4: prefer not to live around black people. I prefer not

792
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 4: to live in a country where white people in our

793
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 4: country are disproportionately attact by black people growing my country.

794
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 4: You can have an Austin Metcalf where he asked the

795
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 4: guy to leave and he gets stout of in the heart.

796
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,399
Speaker 4: I prefer that that's a preference. Now, what a real

797
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 4: racist is, in my opinion, is seeing someone as less human.

798
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 4: I'm a Christian. I believe everyone's creating a buzz image,

799
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 4: so I don't see anyone as less human. But that

800
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 4: doesn't mean I'm not allowed have a my ference and

801
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 4: say I don't like what happened to be coming out

802
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 4: of this community or that community.

803
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 3: How is that a bad thing?

804
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 4: How is that not just a preference?

805
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 5: Because he literally made black people sound less of humans.

806
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: You're able to live around them, You.

807
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 5: Want to use the nation to them a world that

808
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 5: you know causes that community unbelievable.

809
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: That my fault.

810
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 4: Is that my fault if they have bad behavior, if

811
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 4: they want to act in a certain way, if I

812
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 4: have to cross the street and be afraid that maybe

813
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 4: because of the crime statistics that are very real, by

814
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 4: the way, is that my fault or is that their

815
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:31,720
Speaker 4: fault for having bad behavior?

816
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's mind.

817
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 4: I want to live in a country where people are

818
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 4: allowed to say what they want unashamedly, and you can.

819
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 5: You will go on and say it. You will not

820
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,959
Speaker 5: have gone say go on, say the N word.

821
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 6: Go on, No, no, no. I don't want you to

822
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 6: invite this woman to say a racially a hartful term

823
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 6: for me, because I'm the only I'm not only on here.

824
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 6: So if she says that, I'm the victim of it,

825
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 6: so please don't invite her for ratings to call me

826
00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 6: the N word, because that's basically what it's going to be.

827
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 6: There's a two white people up here while I'm here

828
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 6: as ridiculous. You would not sit here with a Jewish

829
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 6: person and say, please use a Jewish slur in front

830
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 6: of the Jewish It's ridiculous. I understand you don't have

831
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 6: any bad in tip heres. I understand what you're trying

832
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 6: to do. I don't want to invite a racial.

833
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 5: Harm to me, and I accept that. I'm gonna leave

834
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 5: it there. Thank you all very much of it.

835
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: We approve of it, we support it.

836
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 6: These are not the same thing, and it's bonkers to

837
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 6: me that we couldn't all stand and say, hey, it

838
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 6: is wrong to call a five year old autistic black

839
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 6: child the N word.

840
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: Okay, damn. So it must have been in the other one.

841
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: You may you may just missed this. That's happening.

842
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 3: This is not a standalone statement, and that's why people

843
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 3: felt like it was a slippy jest to appease the man.

844
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yes, so it was. When he would say,

845
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: don't you just say any way? It was dead.

846
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 3: It wasn't a just in other words, you should have

847
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 3: checked him for even inviting her to say it. But

848
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 3: he did say, don't have her say that. But what

849
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 3: you're saying is he also said, I know you don't

850
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 3: mean no harm, so I'm holding I'm not holding you

851
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 3: accountable for the fact that you actually invited her to.

852
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 2: Say and that line actually blew up, and he responded

853
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: to it, and he said, again it was a strategic

854
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 2: move on his part, but I don't compromise my integrity.

855
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 2: You can't for a strategic move for the white folks.

856
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: And so that's he responded to it. So, but but

857
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 2: we'll move on from that. Let me ask you this,

858
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 2: because I know that Joe Budden podcast is somewhere where

859
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 2: you go, you do a lot of views that I'm

860
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 2: of the belief and a lot of my fans are

861
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: of the belief that we were very, very instrumental in

862
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 2: them actually pulling the trigger on Umar. Of course they

863
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: knew Umar for a long time. After our Dion Sander's debate.

864
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: I think there was just a day say oh no,

865
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: we need Umar. And of course when you went up there,

866
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: one of the first conversations was, hey, we saw you

867
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 2: debate about Umar. I'm sorry about Dion and you know

868
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 2: so I take pride in being influential in that way

869
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 2: in the market, just opening what people think is available

870
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: to do with Umar.

871
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 3: Right. It ain't just because for me, I feel as

872
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 3: though our dynamic kind of changes the way that people

873
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 3: deal with you, right in regards to.

874
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 1: Umar is an intellectual.

875
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 3: He invites this, he invites, make me clarify, make me

876
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 3: stand on it, because I'm gonna tell you why it

877
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 3: makes sense.

878
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, you know, and I believe in those moments

879
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 2: you shine so so bright that even in your twenty

880
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 2: fifth hour, it still brings in.

881
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: More new people.

882
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 3: When absolutely, yes, yes, absolutely are you. Are you prepared

883
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:56,479
Speaker 3: to go.

884
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 2: And do the twenty v one on Joe Bunden's podcast

885
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 2: at this point.

886
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: Uh, I didn't know he was interested in the twenty

887
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: v one. That's what is.

888
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 2: If you go to Joe Budden's podcast, they have Mark

889
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 2: lamont Hill there to combat you on your way there.

890
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 3: Right, But I thought twenty v one was when you pop.

891
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean twenty b one just twenty versus Yeah,

892
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 3: you know, let's just talking about so Drake rephrased that

893
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 3: when when the Kendrick thing was happening, when everyone seemed

894
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 3: like they were going there, Drake, he was like, oh

895
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 3: he caught it twenty one. I got so now, So

896
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 3: now I just kind of playing on that to say, yo, Umar,

897
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 3: the next time you go to Joe Budden, it's definitely.

898
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: Gonna be a alliance.

899
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 3: Then I see what you're I see what you're saying.

900
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 3: I'm always ready. You know, sometimes because of things people

901
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 3: might say or do that I don't agree with that,

902
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 3: I take his slights, I might not necessarily agree to

903
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 3: have those people present sometimes, right, so I have to

904
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,720
Speaker 3: look at who the team is and I'm like, okay,

905
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 3: let's do it. But I'm like, you know what, he

906
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 3: kind of did something I appreciate. Then I might exclude

907
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 3: a particular individual. I've done that in the past because

908
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 3: my thing is when I come to the platform, I'm

909
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 3: going to raise it and whoever you have there, and

910
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 3: I don't want to help expand the brand of anyone

911
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 3: who would ever seek to try to undercut or undermine

912
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 3: me in any way shape.

913
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: Do you feel like people are Do you feel like

914
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 2: you abolve the undermind and even though you see it right,

915
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 2: it's almost like a skull despite the file.

916
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 3: Do you I'm cool with the political undermining. In other words,

917
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 3: me and lun are about to have a conversation about something,

918
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 3: and I know he fundamentally disagrees with me on this point.

919
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 3: I'm good because we keeping it politicalactly, But if somebody said, well,

920
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 3: you know, Loon had to say this about you when

921
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 3: you were and I'm like, ah, you just cut me

922
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 3: in the back.

923
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: Can't do it now, you see what I'm saying.

924
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 3: It's one thing if it's a political disagreement, it's something

925
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 3: else when you're actually trying to make me look bad

926
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 3: off camera or trying to put some of my business.

927
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 1: Out in the street that shouldn't be there.

928
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 2: Then it becomes now do you think that, like, let's

929
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 2: just say you do go six people, won Oumar, You

930
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 2: probably are gonna be the one standing on you know, you.

931
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: Have your beliefs and you don't fold. This is why

932
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: we love you, you know what I'm saying.

933
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 3: So I think they can kind of anticipate certain things

934
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 3: that you're gonna stand on and kind of develop a.

935
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: Strategy or a I can see that, right.

936
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 3: That's kind of common though across platforms. But I'll say

937
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 3: this though, at the Joe Button podcasts, even though they

938
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 3: stood on their squarz, I also felt they was very

939
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 3: respectful of my positions though, Like, even though we went

940
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 3: at it, even me and issue on the store Buddy

941
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 3: then we went at it, But at the end of

942
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 3: the day, it felt like all loving it. Like when

943
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 3: I left, I didn't that there was any animosity with anyone.

944
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 3: When when I left out, I said, you know what,

945
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 3: that was all right, right, I mean if we went

946
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 3: at it, yeah, but it was still loving. You know,

947
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 3: the value you brought to Joe. Listen, the value you

948
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 3: brought to because see Joe, I mean he was already

949
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 3: doing well. Yeah, but I'm this is a different game. See,

950
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 3: this is what I'm saying. This is no longer about points, right,

951
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 3: It's like they put points up. He's running a game.

952
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 3: I'm running, which is a subscription model game.

953
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: Okay. If you notice your.

954
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 2: Interview never came out for a long time on YouTube,

955
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 2: word is in the industry behind the scenes that it

956
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: was upwards of tens twenty thousands of new subscriptions, which

957
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 2: is a so it's a substantial amount of money, right,

958
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 2: And so that value you bring, that dynamic you bring

959
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 2: is always social valuable and I just want you to

960
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 2: know that, which I know you know. But again, the

961
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 2: debate style thing they've done with you came from what

962
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 2: we had just done with Dion, Right. It was like

963
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 2: it was more so they because yeah, people don't want

964
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 2: to disrespect you, right, They think that, but I know

965
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 2: you you want us so we can have these conversations

966
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 2: like you saying, disagree on some move to the next subject,

967
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 2: agree on that subject, agree on the next one, disagree

968
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 2: on that one.

969
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: And I know you invite the discourse.

970
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 2: But yeah, man, you brought a lot of value to

971
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 2: that platform, and I just wanted to know, you know,

972
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 2: moving forward, how you felt about going on now.

973
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't mind. I'm looking forward to the return. Okay, great, Yeah,

974
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 3: they alright with me? Yeah, Now, I really enjoyed it.

975
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,320
Speaker 3: It was a good conversation, great conversation. Now, Pierce Morgan,

976
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 3: is that off the tape. It depends on what he

977
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 3: wants to talk about and who he wanted to talk

978
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 3: about it with. In other words, if that would have

979
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 3: been me on that panel, I would have kind of

980
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 3: felt like it was a waste of my time. You

981
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 3: follow me because that other brother who was up there

982
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 3: from Russian Fits, they invited me to their platform. I

983
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 3: don't know if they still together anymore, Okay, but they invited.

984
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: Me about a year or two and I didn't go.

985
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 3: And the reason I didn't go is right before I

986
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 3: received their invitation, somebody sent me a clip of a

987
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 3: black woman, young sister who was on a panel, and

988
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 3: they got into a disagreement or an argument. I don't know,

989
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 3: was it a fist they actually they put their hands

990
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 3: on that girl. Yeah, like physically removed. So when I

991
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 3: saw that, I couldn't. It's one thing to say I

992
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,479
Speaker 3: don't want to date black women, completely disrespectful for black

993
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 3: men to say. But I might still tolerate. But if

994
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 3: you go to the point where you are absolutely be

995
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 3: rating and disrespecting a sister on your platform, even going

996
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 3: so far as to allegedly put hands on it, I

997
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 3: can't give you my energy because I know when I

998
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 3: interview with you, everybody who follows doctor Umar wants to

999
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 3: see it. This week alone, This week alone, I've gotten

1000
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 3: at least a dozen texts from supporters who's saying, Doctor Umar,

1001
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 3: I don't watched everything on YouTube when your next interview,

1002
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 3: you know. Truck My biggest probably my biggest constituency base

1003
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 3: amongst my supporters might be the long haul truck drivers.

1004
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 3: Blof you feel me, I hear from the long haul

1005
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,439
Speaker 3: They say, Doc, you take me from Florida to California, right,

1006
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 3: So they'll text me and be like, Yo, where the

1007
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 3: next interview at I didn't watch these twenty times.

1008
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: I need some new doctor Umar.

1009
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 3: So to your point, I do know that my supporters

1010
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 3: are waiting for the next interview, you know what I mean.

1011
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 3: So my thing is I gotta be conscious of that.

1012
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 3: I'll give it to you. Like I probably turned down

1013
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 3: at least a dozen podcasts because I felt that you

1014
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 3: have made a crystal clear that you don't respect black

1015
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 3: people if they're Caucasians. Right, Andrew Sharks or somebody should

1016
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 3: he wanted me. Somebody sent me a clip where he

1017
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 3: shared him with Shannon Shop.

1018
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:00,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to get it wrong.

1019
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 3: I don't want to misspeak about the man, but I

1020
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 3: think it was a conversation he had with him and

1021
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 3: Shannon Sharp or somebody where he kind of said something

1022
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 3: disrespectful about black women. I forget what it was, but

1023
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 3: I do remember in the moment, I said, that was

1024
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 3: a bit too far.

1025
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,720
Speaker 1: I can't go on that platform. You'll shows have always

1026
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: had this.

1027
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 3: Funny relationship because he's all I don't know him, right,

1028
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 3: but because my time on the Breakfast Club, because him

1029
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 3: and Charlemagne have a podcast together, right, so he Charlemagne

1030
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 3: was the first one to say, you know, he wants

1031
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 3: you on there, and I said okay, but he got

1032
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 3: to pay, right. So then finally when they came to

1033
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 3: me and say okay, we'll pay, I'm like, all right,

1034
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 3: I might do this. And then I see the clip

1035
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 3: with him and Shannon or maybe with somebody on his show.

1036
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: I forget where it was.

1037
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 3: But he said something disrespectful about black women, and I said,

1038
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 3: because what he said, in my opinion, cut too low.

1039
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 3: If you cut too low, I'm not bringing you my

1040
00:51:58,840 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 3: listening audience.

1041
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you need it.

1042
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 3: You're already doing fine, but you're not gonna have the

1043
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 3: benefit of minds too.

1044
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: And you disrespected my community and and and and you know,

1045
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: both things together is what makes the explosion.

1046
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 4: Right.

1047
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 3: You need wal I mean, you need heat and cold

1048
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 3: to make Caitlin Clark and Andrews. Yeah. Yeah, so when

1049
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 3: they when those mashups are way more powerful than just

1050
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 3: how are we doing another episode this week?

1051
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 5: No?

1052
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 2: Right, Umar and Andrew Schultz would be a moment. Yeah,

1053
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 2: It's like that's a moment. And he verse, right, he

1054
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 2: said they didn't pay their guests. I said, you really think?

1055
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 2: You really think?

1056
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 3: Doctor Umar E five to day the number one black

1057
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 3: scholar in the world. Number one Pan African is it

1058
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 3: ain't even close. Well, number two Pan African. It's because

1059
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give number one to President Iberhem Tree or

1060
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 3: they of Burkina Fossil. Right, So the number two Pan

1061
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,399
Speaker 3: African is number one in the West. And you think

1062
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you a conversation that we know going

1063
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 3: to go viral, Oh my god, that you know you're

1064
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 3: going to get paid on a bunch of money, and

1065
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 3: you think I'm coming for free.

1066
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: That's why.

1067
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 3: But guess why the expectation is that is because the

1068
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 3: other black scholars in those positions that you are in

1069
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 3: will charge us and go to the white man for free,

1070
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 3: not me. In fact, you got to pay more, you understand,

1071
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 3: That's why we laugh. Most of the podcasts I've turned

1072
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 3: down have been white and they've offered nice amounts, but

1073
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 3: I can't do it because I've seen you say and

1074
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 3: do things that to me was too deep of an

1075
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 3: aspect of disrespect that would allow me to sit down

1076
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 3: and have that conversation.

1077
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 2: So do you think Schultz is racist? I believe all

1078
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 2: white people are racist, So that's not the question. The

1079
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 2: question is do I think Schultz is a bigot right.

1080
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 1: Yes.

1081
00:53:54,840 --> 00:54:01,919
Speaker 3: Racism is what complete controlling domination for your group of resources, opportunities,

1082
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 3: and privileges are OPI that's it. It has nothing to

1083
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 3: do with how I feel about loan. It has nothing

1084
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 3: to do with how I feel about doctor Umar. You

1085
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 3: understand I want white people to have the advantage always

1086
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 3: when it comes to resources, opportunities, and privileges.

1087
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: It's not personal. It's business, the business of political, economic

1088
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: control and domination. That's all racism is. Bigotry is when

1089
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: you bring in that emotional component. Bigotry is where you

1090
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: made it personal. Bigotry is when you say I.

1091
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 3: Not only want to have I not only want white

1092
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 3: people to dominate the resources, opportunities and privileges. The reason

1093
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 3: I want them to dominate is because I think black

1094
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,200
Speaker 3: people are monkeys. I want them to dominate because I

1095
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 3: think they are inferior. I want them to dominate because

1096
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 3: I think God invented them to be our slaves. You

1097
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 3: see that that's bigotry. Racism ain't personal. Bigotry is Wow,

1098
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 3: it shows to bigot I don't know. I don't want

1099
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 3: to misspeak on them.

1100
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I know I don't know him well.

1101
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 2: But I've been in his presence a couple times, you know,

1102
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 2: me and Charlamagne has business together with Alheart. So I've

1103
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 2: been on Brilliant Idiots and I've been I've been in

1104
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 2: this in his vicinity.

1105
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 3: I don't think he's racist, but I don't know what's

1106
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 3: going on with him. Oh right, your definition of racism

1107
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 3: I understand, So I can't.

1108
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: Did you say you don't think he's biggest.

1109
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 2: I think he's bigger to yes, but that's still that's

1110
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 2: for you too, damn. And and that's for you to

1111
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 2: distinguished as it pertains to your feelings, that approach to

1112
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 2: how you gather your information.

1113
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And let me say this

1114
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: to you.

1115
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 3: A big reason why I haven't been on these popular

1116
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 3: white podcasts is because I understand racism and how it operates.

1117
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 3: No matter what you learn from me, you're not going

1118
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 3: to change your ways because there's no Caucasian on Earth

1119
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 3: that's going to abdicate their white privilege.

1120
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,879
Speaker 1: So black people can get a fair opportunity.

1121
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 3: So for me, it's almost a waste of time to

1122
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 3: have a conversation about race and racism with white people

1123
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 3: because you're never going to change. Yes, you do not

1124
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 3: change racism, you destroy it. You see that. So when

1125
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,399
Speaker 3: I sit back and I get these invitations from these

1126
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,240
Speaker 3: white podcasters, I know what y'all want to talk about.

1127
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: Y'all want the doctor Umar shock moment, and y'all willing

1128
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: to pay me for it.

1129
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 3: That's all right, But at the end of the day,

1130
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,759
Speaker 3: I value my time and for me to sit down

1131
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 3: and have conversations about race and racism with people who

1132
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 3: are never gonna stop being racist is a waste of

1133
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 3: my damn times.

1134
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 1: Effect.

1135
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 3: I have nothing to prove to Caucasians, and that's what

1136
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 3: I'm telling you.

1137
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: Man.

1138
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 2: That and a lot of people talk I can I

1139
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 2: feel that coming, Yes sir, Yes, sir. And that's the

1140
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 2: difference I would say between you and a Mark lemont Hill, right,

1141
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 2: is because in those moments, I just don't end my heart.

1142
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 2: I don't see you excusing that behavior on any level.

1143
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,479
Speaker 2: I'm not even Joe Black. You can't say if he did,

1144
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 2: but I'm not even his. He works with Joe Budden

1145
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 2: at this point. Even his boss, Joe Budden came the

1146
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 2: next day and kind of got him online.

1147
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: Are we good? Is what? Okay?

1148
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 2: Switching to Tennady because it probably, Uh, it probably was that.

1149
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 2: So switching to Tennady, this is still going, so we'll

1150
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 2: keep moving. So Joe Budden actually came and kind of

1151
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 2: had a conversation with him on the next episode and

1152
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 2: he told him, He's like, why are you even own

1153
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 2: Piers Morgan.

1154
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: You're on Joe Budden's podcast.

1155
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 5: Now.

1156
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: This is Joe talking to him.

1157
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 2: Like saying that, hey, our platform is huge, we got

1158
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 2: a lot of people listening.

1159
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: You're smoking right now, You're viral here, viral there. Why

1160
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: go there? And he was like, why should it?

1161
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 3: Because in Mark Lamont Hill, I did have a problem

1162
00:57:56,000 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 3: with him going though, because I do recognize the need

1163
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 3: to sometimes clarify who we are, and that's what I'm

1164
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 3: in white space. Yes I wasn't. I'm not against him

1165
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 3: doing it, so it's okay to do it, but just

1166
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 3: standing on the business stand on the business and for me,

1167
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 3: I'm going to pick and choose what white space is

1168
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 3: I'm going to go in, you know what I mean.

1169
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 3: And that's why with Pears Morgan, when I saw what

1170
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 3: he wanted to talk about, I said, this is not serious.

1171
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 3: H And my thing is, if I'm going to go

1172
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 3: into a white space, I needed to be serious.

1173
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: You feel me.

1174
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,439
Speaker 3: Because I know you ain't going to change who you are.

1175
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 3: White people have never changed, never will you understand? So

1176
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 3: I know that, but at least let it be serious.

1177
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 3: But for me to come on your program, just for

1178
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 3: you to try to make a mockery of my way

1179
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 3: of life and what I'm living and dying for, it

1180
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 3: can get real personal, real quicks and I don't want

1181
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 3: to subject myself to it because at the end of

1182
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 3: the day, anybody will look me in the face and say,

1183
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 3: you knew what you were walking into.

1184
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: Why did you walk into it exactly? Are you familiar

1185
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: with the Ryan Clark and RG three forth? This happened?

1186
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 3: I am Ryan Clark and RG three, Ryan Clark and

1187
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 3: RG three.

1188
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 1: Here's where I am.

1189
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 3: So as we know, Kitlyn Clark's team was playing Angel

1190
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 3: Reese's tea and that was a hard file. Kitlyn Clark

1191
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 3: made a hard file. I saw the folk. I definitely

1192
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 3: thought it was unnecessary because I saw how she kind

1193
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 3: of pushed her a little bit.

1194
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: I saw it it was on purpose.

1195
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 3: I think Kitlyn Clark still arbors some animosity towards Angel

1196
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 3: Reese because Angel Reese still won the national championship so

1197
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 3: even when people saying Kaitlyn is the better player, you

1198
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 3: believe she still hates Angel Reed. Of course, because Angel

1199
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 3: Reese prevented Caitlyn Clark from getting an n c double

1200
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 3: A Women's National Championship.

1201
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: That matters. Yes, do you feel me? That matters?

1202
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 3: And Angel Reese is the reason Caitlyn Clark is not

1203
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 3: an nc double A champion. Angel Reese is an NCUBA champion.

1204
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 3: So no matter how many white people worship Caitlyn Clark

1205
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 3: every time she steps on the court with Angel Reese,

1206
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 3: you're the reason I don't have a college ring because listen,

1207
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 3: we don't know if she's guaranteed to ever get a

1208
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 3: w NBA championship, you feel, and that's that gap or

1209
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 3: what people perceive to be a gap in talent gets

1210
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 3: larger and larger from Caitlin an Angel It can become

1211
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 3: more offensive and more especially if Angel Reese ends up

1212
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 3: winning a w NBA championship. You understand, See, you have

1213
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 3: your popularity vote, and then you.

1214
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 1: Have your actual achievements in your profession. You see what

1215
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying.

1216
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:53,080
Speaker 3: So, doctor Umar may be very popular in the community,

1217
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 3: but I also have my achievements as a school psychologist.

1218
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: You see there's a difference there.

1219
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 3: So somebody can say, you might be more popular than me,

1220
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 3: but you ain't save more children from the school to

1221
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 3: prism pipeline. In me, I can say I'm more popular

1222
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 3: than you, and I save more children from the school

1223
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 3: to prison pipe.

1224
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: You understand. So Caitlyn Clark can always throw in Angel

1225
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 1: Reese's face, I'm more popular than you.

1226
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 3: White people have made me the face of the league, right, yes,

1227
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 3: And Angel Reese can say that's fine, but I still

1228
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 3: got this and you don't, and I got it on

1229
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 3: your time.

1230
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: Do you see that? Do you see that?

1231
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 3: Because you got to understand the narcissism that is at

1232
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 3: the heart of the collective white personality. They're not supposed

1233
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 3: to lose the black people ever cooking. Now, let's go

1234
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 3: to this. First of all, I think it is such

1235
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:50,400
Speaker 3: hypocrisy for white people and the nigroes who serve them

1236
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 3: like RG three, to try to turn Angel Reese into

1237
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 3: a perpetrator of a crime when she was the victim.

1238
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 3: Here once again, they have made Caitlyn Clark the victim.

1239
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 3: She committed the file. Yes, they made her the victim.

1240
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 3: That's how white privilege operates. Wow, lit. Look how when

1241
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 3: the police unlive of us right? The young man in

1242
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 3: Cincinnati whose father underlive right, underlive the police officers in

1243
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 3: the Penten in response to a police officer unliving his

1244
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 3: son right. They still made the police officer in the

1245
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:40,400
Speaker 3: murder of the child. They still made the police officer

1246
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 3: the victim, although he pulled the trigger.

1247
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 1: This is how white America operates.

1248
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 3: Even when black people are victimized, you're somehow responsible for it.

1249
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 3: They made Angel Reach responsible for the hard Fire by

1250
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 3: Caitlin Clark. Now let's get the RG three and Ryan Clark.

1251
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 3: RG three does a podcast a couple of days ago,

1252
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:09,680
Speaker 3: and with his white wife in the background, sitting there

1253
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 3: like a slave master supervising her slave on a plantation.

1254
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 3: With his wife in the background, RG three proceeds to insult, denigrate, incriminate,

1255
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 3: and insult and belittle Angel Reese.

1256
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 1: He mocked her using.

1257
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 3: Stereotypical, exaggerated black ghetto behavioral demonstrations, talked about how she

1258
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 3: hates Angel Reese.

1259
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: He said, excuse me, Angel hates Katelyn Clark.

1260
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 3: He said, blatantly, Angel Reese hates Caitlyn Clark, and I

1261
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 3: know this.

1262
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 1: Excuse me. RG three Angel Reese hates Caitlyn Clark. How

1263
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 1: do you know this.

1264
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 3: I'm a psychologist and I can't read nobody mind. I

1265
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 3: tell people all the time, I'm not a psychic. I'm

1266
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 3: a psychologist. Difference, I can't read your mind. I can

1267
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 3: analyze what comes out of it, but I can't read it.

1268
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 3: RG three became a psychic in front of his Snowbundy,

1269
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:13,120
Speaker 3: telling the world.

1270
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 1: That I can't read Angel Reese's mind.

1271
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 3: First of all, even if you were a psychic, you

1272
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 3: didn't been around snow Bunny's too long for you to

1273
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 3: even understand black women. First of all, he was already

1274
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 3: married to a snow bunny, That's what Ra said, got

1275
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 3: a divorcee. She eating on the first snowbunny with the

1276
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 3: current Snowbudy. So you went from snowbunny to snow bunny.

1277
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,920
Speaker 3: And then you got the audacity to try to be

1278
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 3: little a black woman to make your white wife feel

1279
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:46,520
Speaker 3: better about herself. You don't ever know black man shit,

1280
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 3: ever insult or criticize, even honestly a black woman in

1281
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 3: the presence of a white woman, because guess what, if

1282
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 3: Angel Reese was white, he would have never said any

1283
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 3: of that. If Angel Reese was white. RG three would

1284
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 3: have never said none of that. So Ryan Clark spoke

1285
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 3: the truth. Ryan Clark said, listen, you don't have conversations

1286
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 3: about what black women go through. You've dedicated your life

1287
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 3: to not one, but two snow bunnies.

1288
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call him RG two.

1289
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 3: I'll call him RG three when he get divorced and

1290
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 3: get a third snow bunny. So he's RG two, two

1291
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 3: snow bunnies, RG two, right, yeah, yeah, And then you

1292
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 3: got her in the background showing the world how proud

1293
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 3: I am to be married to this white woman.

1294
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 1: See that. First of all, you know my position.

1295
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, black men who date and marry white women wish

1296
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 3: they were white themselves.

1297
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 1: Let's just keep it a buck. You're talking about a group.

1298
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 3: Of people who have historically and systemically devalued, dehumanized, and destroyed,

1299
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 3: destroyed African life and culture, and you want to marry

1300
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 3: one of them. To marry a Caucasian is to play

1301
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 3: for their team and fight for their army. To marry

1302
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 3: a Caucasian is to play for their team and fight

1303
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 3: for their army. And then RG three, like a coward,

1304
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 3: Like a coward, he comes back at Ryan Clark. And

1305
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 3: he says, you hip below the belt. When you brought

1306
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 3: my family in this loom, he didn't bring his family

1307
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 3: in it. He said, you married two white women. He said,

1308
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 3: he talked about your this by something you don't know.

1309
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 3: You got two snow bunnies. Ryan Clark ain't talking about

1310
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 3: your wife. He didn't say one bad thing about your wife.

1311
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 3: He said nothing bad about your beautiful children. He said,

1312
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 3: you chose to marry two white women. But look at

1313
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 3: the double standard in that hypocrisy. You just disrespected a

1314
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 3: twenty three year old girl, Angel Reyese. You talked about

1315
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 3: her like a dog, told her she hates this little

1316
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 3: white girl, disrespected, He insulted her, mackda, this is what

1317
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 3: you did RG three. And because he reminded you that

1318
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 3: you go home to a white woman, he's wrong.

1319
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 1: Look at this.

1320
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 3: Ryan Clark is wrong for reminding me I married two

1321
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 3: white women. But I'm not wrong for disrespecting Angel Reese.

1322
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 3: Do you think on the internet, do.

1323
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 2: You think that him saying you went too far bringing

1324
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 2: my family and is him signaling to ESPN?

1325
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 3: Of course, because he said ESPN. He said this is

1326
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 3: not a good look for ESPN. See he said, I'm y'all.

1327
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 3: I'm I'll see me.

1328
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: Man's standing enough for white folks now.

1329
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 3: He is a house Nigro. And don't get me wrong,

1330
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 3: Back when he played for the Broncos, excuse me, the

1331
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 3: Red Skins, I believe it was Mike Shanahan I believe

1332
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:49,880
Speaker 3: unfairly cut RG three's career short when he made him

1333
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 3: go out there and play while he was injured. I

1334
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 3: don't know if you remember that. I think he was

1335
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 3: not fully recovered right because he was a damn good

1336
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 3: court could have been one of the best. Mike Shanahan

1337
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 3: made RG three get out there and play before he

1338
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 3: was fully healed, and that stopped him from fully becoming

1339
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 3: what he should have been.

1340
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 1: I think it was wrong.

1341
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 3: So the brother's career was cut short by racism because

1342
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 3: they would have never done that too, Like why would

1343
01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 3: he not say I'm not going out till I'm healed,

1344
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 3: Like the white man can make you go out knowing

1345
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 3: that you're not healed.

1346
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 1: Depends on the politics of that situation.

1347
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:22,800
Speaker 2: You don't think I wouldn't have done Tonio Brown took

1348
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:24,320
Speaker 2: your shirt obviously, and I'm out of here.

1349
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 3: Right, But at some point to point it comes back

1350
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 3: to whether or not you're willing to compromise your black masculinity.

1351
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 3: A big conversation that we as black men need to

1352
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 3: have with each other without our women around, is when

1353
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:40,719
Speaker 3: are we going to start compromising our black masculinity for money?

1354
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:44,520
Speaker 3: When are we going to stop compromising our black masculinity

1355
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 3: to get access to snow Bunny Kuchi? When are we

1356
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:50,759
Speaker 3: going to stop compromising our black masculinity to get jobs?

1357
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 1: When are we going to.

1358
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 3: Stop compromising our black masculinity to access privileged white spaces?

1359
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 3: You feel me because black men, unlike any other men

1360
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 3: in this country, and understand why, because we're more under attack,

1361
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 3: we compromise our masculinity too much, too much. And for

1362
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 3: RG three to sit up there, to sit up there

1363
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 3: and say, this is a bad look for ESPN.

1364
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 1: Why are you bringing that man's job into this.

1365
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 3: That's crazy, his podcast, your podcast, your private podcast, his

1366
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 3: private podcast, and you're going to bring his job in it.

1367
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 3: So you said, because he reminded you you married two

1368
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 3: white women, he's supposed to lose his job, but it

1369
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 3: was okay for you to disrespect angeuries. Look at the difference.

1370
01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 3: Don't even mention a white woman. Don't even mention a

1371
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 3: white woman, you should be fired. But it's okay for

1372
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:42,679
Speaker 3: me to perfectly disrespect this young kid, this young twenty

1373
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 3: three year old sister who's been disrespected enough, and I'm

1374
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:48,640
Speaker 3: going to add on top of it to prove to

1375
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 3: my wife and her family that you can trust me

1376
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 3: any time against my own people. And then people said, well,

1377
01:09:56,240 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 3: Ryan Clark has no business talking because he has a

1378
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 3: baby by snow bunny.

1379
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 1: And this is what I'll say to that.

1380
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 3: I don't know him personally, and I don't know his

1381
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 3: background well, but from what I've seen, Ryan Clark is

1382
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 3: one of the more racially conscious sports commentators we have.

1383
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 3: Stephen A goes back and forth. Sometimes steven A stand

1384
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 3: hard and other times he will sing out, you follow

1385
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So I believe that when Ryan Clark

1386
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 3: made that beautiful child right, he was not politically speaking

1387
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:40,759
Speaker 3: who he is now.

1388
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:43,200
Speaker 1: I believe he had to evolve.

1389
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 3: Yes, And as I've said before, and I don't know

1390
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:48,639
Speaker 3: if you and I had this conversation, but as I've

1391
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:51,799
Speaker 3: said before, if a black man commits an offense against

1392
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 3: the race, such as bunny hopping, but you learn from

1393
01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 3: it and you self correct, and you promised to know,

1394
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 3: go back that way, right. I don't have a problem

1395
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 3: with you coming back into the race from what I

1396
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 3: can see, and only Ryan Clark can clarify, but from

1397
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 3: what I can see, it appears that that child, that

1398
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 3: beautiful child that he made with that Caucasian woman, was

1399
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 3: made a long time ago, and since that time, Ryan

1400
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 3: Clark has grown into a socially conscious and politically loyal

1401
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 3: black man.

1402
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,599
Speaker 1: And if that is the case, if he.

1403
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:35,040
Speaker 3: Is completely completely healed from the snow Bunny crisis, he

1404
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:37,679
Speaker 3: has a right to speak on it. Because Ryan Clark's

1405
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 3: wife ain't white RG three, she black, right, Yeah, and

1406
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,639
Speaker 3: then it's true. Hey check these cameras too, sir, make

1407
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 3: sure that's still going.

1408
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 2: Also, I want to talk about this because there's a

1409
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 2: growing concern with me that I'm noticing, Like because now

1410
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 2: I have a community, right with this podcast and all

1411
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 2: of this, So sometimes I go in there and I

1412
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 2: speak with the community. I went in there and there's

1413
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 2: this constant conversation about interracial dating, and it's you. As

1414
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 2: you know, it gets a lot of traction online. People

1415
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 2: are interested in why is it divided or why is

1416
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:17,640
Speaker 2: it so inclusive? There's questions on both sides, But I

1417
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 2: want to speak to speaking about RG three and black

1418
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 2: men loving white women or choosing to marry and have

1419
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:29,240
Speaker 2: children and pro create with white women. It seems like

1420
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:33,320
Speaker 2: that a large percentage of these gentlemen that I've bumped

1421
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 2: into have had conversation with the minute that they love

1422
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 2: on a white woman and they get into a nuclear

1423
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:40,520
Speaker 2: family widder.

1424
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:44,320
Speaker 1: They abandon all understanding and love that they had for

1425
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 1: black women, even their mother.

1426
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 3: Right, It's almost like the way that they speak about

1427
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 3: black women after they now are dating white the way

1428
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:56,280
Speaker 3: that they feel women keep them away in the I

1429
01:12:56,320 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 3: heard one guy say something that highly offensive, keep the.

1430
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,600
Speaker 1: Dirty mouth black women away from it.

1431
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 3: And I'm like, your mother is black, how did you

1432
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 3: abandon the love, the nurture that she gave you?

1433
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 1: What happened in that process?

1434
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:17,160
Speaker 2: As a psychologist, what is your outlook on black men

1435
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 2: getting with white women and abandoning all understanding and love

1436
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 2: that they had for even a black mother.

1437
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 3: There could have been trauma from the mother in some

1438
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 3: of them circumstances. Sometimes the trauma can be so acute

1439
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 3: that the pain forces you to go into a completely

1440
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 3: different direction. That's very true. My mother abused me, My

1441
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:42,640
Speaker 3: mother sexually assaulted me. My mother allowed other people to

1442
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:46,200
Speaker 3: abuse me, sexually assault me. My mother was emotionally unavailable.

1443
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 3: Trauma can do that, But even in trauma loom, there

1444
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 3: is still self hate involved because you know what white

1445
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:56,000
Speaker 3: people have done.

1446
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 1: To you and continue to do to you.

1447
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 3: You understand, no snow, Bunny How is ignorant of the

1448
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 3: fact that white people have been the greatest enemies of

1449
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 3: African people. Nobody is ignorant to that. So because remember now,

1450
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 3: although I don't support you going to the a rap

1451
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:18,000
Speaker 3: I don't support you going to the Asian, I don't

1452
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,480
Speaker 3: support you going to the Indian or the non African Latino.

1453
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 3: Those were still options for the Bunny Hopper. You chose

1454
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 3: white on purpose, you see. So in choosing white, you're

1455
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 3: making it clear I'm self alienated and choosing why. You're

1456
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:37,320
Speaker 3: making it clear I'm a self hater and choosing why.

1457
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 3: You're making it clear I don't want my children to

1458
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 3: look like my mother. You are making it crystal clear

1459
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:48,639
Speaker 3: I am switching sides, and I'm switching sides publicly and

1460
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:52,920
Speaker 3: for people. And this is where I'm gonna respectfully disagree

1461
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 3: with my brother Stephen A.

1462
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 1: Smith because steven A.

1463
01:14:55,320 --> 01:15:00,559
Speaker 3: Smith responded to the RG three Ryan Clark situation, and

1464
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 3: I thought he gave a pretty reasonable and leveled critique.

1465
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:07,720
Speaker 3: But where I'm going to disagree with my brother stephen A.

1466
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 1: Smith.

1467
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 3: And I know he had to say this because he

1468
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 3: got a bag to protect, right, he told Ryan Clark,

1469
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 3: don't bring up his wife and children. He didn't. He

1470
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 3: just reminded him that they were white. And steven A.

1471
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:23,439
Speaker 3: Smith said this too, right, right, But stephen A. Smith

1472
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 3: kind of stated or alluded to the fact that his

1473
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 3: wife being white has nothing to.

1474
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 1: Do with it. You're wrong, steven A. Smith.

1475
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:36,439
Speaker 3: You're wrong that man's wife being white has everything to

1476
01:15:36,439 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 3: do with this situation. Because he's disrespecting a black woman

1477
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:43,240
Speaker 3: while sleeping with a white one.

1478
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:44,800
Speaker 1: It has everything to do with it.

1479
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:49,880
Speaker 3: You can't say a snow buddy Hopper is publicly disrespecting

1480
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 3: a twenty three year old black girl, young black sister.

1481
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:56,679
Speaker 3: It has nothing to do with the fact that he's

1482
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 3: married to white women. It has everything to do with

1483
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 3: the fact that he married two white women. And Ryan

1484
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 3: Clark has a right to speak on it because he's

1485
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 3: a recovered bunny.

1486
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:06,479
Speaker 1: Hopper no longer participate.

1487
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:10,679
Speaker 2: Do you think that what was his logic behind why

1488
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,519
Speaker 2: it's irrelevant personally.

1489
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 3: I just think he was protecting his job because you

1490
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 3: got to remember something with our celebrities and entertainers. And

1491
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 3: I respect Steven it because, like I said, sometimes Stephen Gohall,

1492
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 3: sometimes he coons out, but he's better than most.

1493
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 1: He's better than most. Some don't even touch it.

1494
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 3: Steven A. Smith will at least touch it. So I

1495
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 3: got to give the brother some respect in the white world.

1496
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 3: And for you to survive in it, you have to

1497
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:47,680
Speaker 3: assume a racially ambiguous, a racially ambiguous attitude towards all

1498
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:48,679
Speaker 3: political issues.

1499
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:51,599
Speaker 1: It's a tight rope, you understand.

1500
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:54,760
Speaker 3: It's a tight rope and the reason why people are

1501
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 3: trying to call for Ryan Clark's job. And I do

1502
01:16:57,560 --> 01:17:00,080
Speaker 3: want to support Stephen A. Smith in standing up for

1503
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 3: Ryan Clark. He said, this many is gonna lose his job.

1504
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 3: A powerful voice over there.

1505
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Steven A. Smith said, I'm going to raise Holy Hell.

1506
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 3: I'm not in charge, but I'm gonna raise Holy Hell

1507
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 3: if anybody tries to fire this man for telling the

1508
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 3: truth about this man.

1509
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 1: So shout out to Steven A.

1510
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:18,680
Speaker 3: Smith for taking his brother's back on that okay, But

1511
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 3: because you have to act politically naive in order to

1512
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 3: be a successful black entertainer that includes sports, you have

1513
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 3: to assume a political naiva tanne in the face of

1514
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:33,640
Speaker 3: obvious injustice.

1515
01:17:33,640 --> 01:17:37,640
Speaker 1: Think about that, Loan, You sitting on him, Oh man, you.

1516
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:41,720
Speaker 3: Sitting on the panel on TV and the police just

1517
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:46,000
Speaker 3: unlive somebody RG three, Just disrespect that your little sister

1518
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 3: Angel Reese with his slave master handler.

1519
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 1: Oversee a slave dr in the back? You anymore with

1520
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 1: the wet loon, she had a whip, whippity, what pity,

1521
01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 1: tear it down. Tear it down.

1522
01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:02,720
Speaker 3: But guess what you have to act like him having

1523
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:05,280
Speaker 3: a white wife has nothing to do with this. You

1524
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:09,600
Speaker 3: have to assume this posture of political naivena. You have

1525
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 3: to commit. You have to commit historical amnesia every time

1526
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:17,680
Speaker 3: you go to work. Loan will think about that.

1527
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:22,559
Speaker 1: Every time I go to work, I gotta act like I.

1528
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:25,599
Speaker 3: Don't know what my people have been through, because if

1529
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 3: I show the slightest political integrity or cultural loyalty, I can.

1530
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 1: Lose my dereath. Go y'all.

1531
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 3: This is why Lebron James stood with Israel against Paliestine

1532
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:42,800
Speaker 3: but did nothing when that brother was shot dozens of

1533
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 3: times in Akron, Ohio. Jalen Walker got hit with almost

1534
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,839
Speaker 3: one hundred bullets by the white police, and all Lebron

1535
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 3: James said is I gotta pray.

1536
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 1: I gotta pray.

1537
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 3: But when Israel invaded Palistine, it started unliving all those

1538
01:18:56,479 --> 01:19:00,559
Speaker 3: people over there. You stood with Israel because as a

1539
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 3: black entertainer, if you want to be successful in white space,

1540
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:07,600
Speaker 3: you have to commit his historical suicide.

1541
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 2: Every boys cooking the day you got so okay.

1542
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:15,320
Speaker 1: So bag to and see here's the thing though, real quick,

1543
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:15,679
Speaker 1: go ahead.

1544
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:19,680
Speaker 3: Now that the white man knows Ryan Clark is not

1545
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:26,879
Speaker 3: only politically conscious, they're not upset about you being politically conscious.

1546
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 1: Stephen A.

1547
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 3: Smith is politically conscious, but Ryan Clark is loyal as well. Yeah,

1548
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 3: the Lord, it's the loyalty. Ryan Clark's comments made it clear,

1549
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 3: I'm a black man.

1550
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 2: Fire yeah, because the Lord informs your decision making.

1551
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 3: Yes. So now the white man is like, damn, he's

1552
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 3: politically conscious like Stephen A. But he's more loyal to

1553
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 3: black people. He'll move on he'll move on him. So

1554
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 3: now Ryan Clark, he's not going to lose his job.

1555
01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 3: But once again, there will be certain opportunities he may

1556
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:08,599
Speaker 3: not get now because the power structure knows you staying

1557
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 3: with the negroes in the field, not the.

1558
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 1: Ones in the house. Yeah yeah, yeah.

1559
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:17,639
Speaker 2: And so also getting back to the community that when

1560
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:20,559
Speaker 2: I went in and they was talking about, you know,

1561
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 2: the dirty mouth or just like you said, some of

1562
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 2: the historical overreaches that they use as it pertains to

1563
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 2: black women, it just doesn't feel like trauma driven to

1564
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:39,519
Speaker 2: me because the particular things that they will point out,

1565
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 2: meaning because you know me, I like to have a conversation,

1566
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 2: what are you saying?

1567
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 1: What is that?

1568
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 3: Like? I'm highly upset and you're about to get kicked

1569
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 3: out of here.

1570
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:51,880
Speaker 1: But before I kick you out, what is that like?

1571
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 3: Why are you talking about black women in this way

1572
01:20:55,280 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 3: in any instances? Like you say, even if honest, that means,

1573
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 3: even if it's the truth, Why is this even coming

1574
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 3: out of your mouth when your black mother took care

1575
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 3: of Because you are proving that you are politically harmless

1576
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:15,599
Speaker 3: to white folks. See, the white woman for the black

1577
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 3: man is the political surrender flag loon. When I walk

1578
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:23,639
Speaker 3: into a space with a white woman, I'm letting every

1579
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:27,959
Speaker 3: white person know I am not loyal to my community.

1580
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 1: I'm not loyal to my mother. I'm not loyal to

1581
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 1: my father.

1582
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 3: I'm not loyal to my neighbors, the children I went

1583
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:39,400
Speaker 3: to college with. I am loyal to you. The white

1584
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 3: woman is the black man's nonverbal mouthpiece. By having her

1585
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 3: next to you, you are making a political statement to

1586
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 3: the world that I am loyal to the white power structure. Yeah,

1587
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:56,439
Speaker 3: and so I asked, I'm like, yo, what is man?

1588
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:59,559
Speaker 3: I don't like they talk too much, they argue too much.

1589
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 3: I don't listen. Black women love me. I love black women.

1590
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:04,720
Speaker 3: I don't hear no bunch of all. But here's the

1591
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 3: question I would have to any black man who maligns

1592
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:13,840
Speaker 3: and denigrates black women to justify dating white. First of all,

1593
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 3: you were going to date white even if you were

1594
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 3: treated well, because your abhorrence for black women is not

1595
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 3: just about how she treated you. Your abhorrence to black

1596
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 3: women is about the fact you always wanted a white one.

1597
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 1: You're just using her as the excuse for why you

1598
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:32,800
Speaker 1: are there.

1599
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 3: We've all been mistreated before by women, period, but I

1600
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:40,800
Speaker 3: never abandoned on you. You understand you wanted white women anyway.

1601
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 3: You're just choosing black women as the excuse. And this

1602
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:48,040
Speaker 3: is how I explain it. Who has mistreated the black

1603
01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 3: man more a black woman or the white man. There

1604
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:56,760
Speaker 3: is no black man in America who can say I've

1605
01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:00,640
Speaker 3: been mistreated more by black women than white man. You

1606
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:04,760
Speaker 3: a damn lot who locked you up, whoms educated, who

1607
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:07,240
Speaker 3: fired you, who won't give you a job. You understand

1608
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:10,599
Speaker 3: most of the black man's problems in America were caused

1609
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:12,280
Speaker 3: by the white man, not the black woman.

1610
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 1: Why you don't have the same smoke for him.

1611
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's why you don't have the same smoke

1612
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 3: for America that you have for the black woman. If

1613
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 3: it's purely about how you've been treated, you should be

1614
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:28,760
Speaker 3: way more angry at white men than black women as

1615
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 3: a whole. Fast it's because you love white people, and

1616
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 3: having sex with that white woman is the way you

1617
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 3: try to psychologically prove to yourself that you're equal to

1618
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 3: her white man, and an escapegoat is look, Stephen, a

1619
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 3: excuse me. Shannon Sharp and Terrell Owens said, when I

1620
01:23:47,320 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 3: went to school, black girls called me ugly. Shannon Sharp

1621
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:56,200
Speaker 3: and Torell Owens. When I was young, go up through school,

1622
01:23:57,120 --> 01:24:02,559
Speaker 3: black women called me ugly, right, But Shannon Sharp you

1623
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 3: let a nineteen year old snow bunny put a dog

1624
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:09,439
Speaker 3: leash around your damn neck and walk you around calling

1625
01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 3: you monkeys and apes and the N word. So you

1626
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 3: mean to tell me you don't date black women because

1627
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 3: they called you ugly when you was a child, But

1628
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:20,759
Speaker 3: you'll let a white woman dog walk your ass button

1629
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:23,519
Speaker 3: neck it around her bedroom calling you every monkey and

1630
01:24:23,640 --> 01:24:26,200
Speaker 3: eight and in word that can be. But it's okay

1631
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 3: when a white woman disrespects me. It's okay for the

1632
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 3: white woman to put a dog collar around my neck

1633
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 3: and call me the IN word. It's okay for the

1634
01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:36,080
Speaker 3: white woman to put a dog collar around my neck

1635
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 3: and force me to engage and racist sexual play. But

1636
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 3: if a black girl calls me ugly, I'll never date

1637
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:47,000
Speaker 3: one again. But a white woman could dog walk me

1638
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:49,720
Speaker 3: button necking and call me an ape and a gorilla

1639
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 3: and an inn word, and it's perfectly fine. You a

1640
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 3: goddamn hipocria. You hate yourself and you hate black women.

1641
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:59,120
Speaker 3: Stop making excuses, right, And sometimes it feels like that

1642
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 3: they don't. They don't hate black They just feel like

1643
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:04,680
Speaker 3: they hate what a black woman had to be. A

1644
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 3: lot of times black women are kicked into survival mode,

1645
01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:08,720
Speaker 3: so sometimes that we.

1646
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 1: Are responsible for how they are.

1647
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 3: They say, I like the white woman because she's passive,

1648
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:19,639
Speaker 3: she's dicil, she's feminine, she's supportive. She don't she allows

1649
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:22,840
Speaker 3: me to lead. You know why, because she don't need

1650
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 3: you for anything. Idiot, The white woman needs nothing from

1651
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:29,840
Speaker 3: the black man. Let me say it again. The white

1652
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:32,280
Speaker 3: woman needs nothing from the black man. Let me say

1653
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:35,479
Speaker 3: it one more time. The white woman needs nothing from

1654
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,080
Speaker 3: the black man. And when she's tired of you, she

1655
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 3: just accuse you of rape or get a divorce and

1656
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 3: take half your damn back. Shannon Sharp about to pay

1657
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:47,880
Speaker 3: this white girl twenty five thousand dollars per cheek, and

1658
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:51,080
Speaker 3: she looked like two down thirteen Steve, Nah, looks like a.

1659
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:53,559
Speaker 1: Thirteen year old boy. Yeah, you're gonna.

1660
01:25:53,400 --> 01:25:56,240
Speaker 3: Pay her twenty five thousand dollars before I ask cheek.

1661
01:25:56,320 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 3: She don't even have man. She looked like she needed

1662
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:01,679
Speaker 3: to be passing somne. And then they got the nerd

1663
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:03,639
Speaker 3: to be calling black women gold diggers. Well, if black

1664
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:06,799
Speaker 3: women are the gold diggers, loom, show me a OnlyFans model,

1665
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:11,519
Speaker 3: Show me a black OnlyFans model who are about to

1666
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:15,240
Speaker 3: get twenty five thousand dollars a cheek and them sisters

1667
01:26:15,400 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 3: got fat ass.

1668
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:21,080
Speaker 1: They's worth you feel me?

1669
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:24,760
Speaker 3: You talk about set up, They got to set up

1670
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 3: body and they not getting twenty five granded cheak. I'm

1671
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 3: looking at this white girl, ain't got no backside, and

1672
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:33,160
Speaker 3: you about to give a twenty five granded cheek. Because

1673
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 3: it wasn't about the body. It wasn't about the look.

1674
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:36,879
Speaker 3: It was the craven.

1675
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:40,440
Speaker 1: It was about the color of the flesh.

1676
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:45,320
Speaker 3: This is about whiteness. I want proximity to a whiteness.

1677
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 3: Do you think, Shannon Close? I am to white people,

1678
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:52,519
Speaker 3: the better I feel about myself. So you think Shannon Shaw,

1679
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:58,600
Speaker 3: because because I sometimes think that it's the activity, you

1680
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 3: don't find an odd that the brothers who go the

1681
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 3: most for the white girls tend to be the darker brothers.

1682
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:04,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely find it.

1683
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:06,960
Speaker 3: And I'm saying this as a dark skinned brother and

1684
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:09,439
Speaker 3: look at him. Don't get me wrong. You get light

1685
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:12,280
Speaker 3: skinned brothers and mixed race brothers. They got a white mother.

1686
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 3: We understand not acceptable, but we understand. You get light

1687
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:17,800
Speaker 3: skinned brothers who only day white.

1688
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:19,720
Speaker 1: But in my.

1689
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 3: Experience, my dark skin brothers, they go crazy over snow

1690
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 3: bunny vagina. They go crazy over snow bunny, but activate

1691
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:30,599
Speaker 3: some get RG three.

1692
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:34,799
Speaker 1: You just got a divorce and went in white stuff.

1693
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:41,519
Speaker 3: Another funny self hatred brother. There's a book France for

1694
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:43,479
Speaker 3: Nan I never know. I don't know if you heard

1695
01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:45,920
Speaker 3: of him. He was from Martinique. He's one of our

1696
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 3: greatest black revolutionaries. They murdered him not too long after

1697
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 3: they murdered doctor King. They had to get him out

1698
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 3: the way because he was serious. He was a psychiatrist.

1699
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:56,479
Speaker 3: He wrote a book called Black Skin, White Mass. Every

1700
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,559
Speaker 3: snow Bunny Hopper needs to read Black Skin, White Mass.

1701
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:01,920
Speaker 3: And guess what. But he had a snow bunny. But

1702
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 3: he told the truth. He told the truth. He talked

1703
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 3: about how black men who date white women have an

1704
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:12,799
Speaker 3: aspect of self hate and by dating her, you're trying

1705
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:16,800
Speaker 3: to baptize yourself into equality with the Caucasian men.

1706
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:17,280
Speaker 1: Wow.

1707
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:20,760
Speaker 3: And that's why I don't trust black men who date

1708
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:21,519
Speaker 3: white women at all.

1709
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 1: Ever, never you go home to my enemy and you.

1710
01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:28,640
Speaker 3: Don't think I know, you telling how what we just

1711
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:31,840
Speaker 3: talked about, because you got to remember the black man

1712
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:52,599
Speaker 3: knows he's always at the mercy of her