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Speaker 1: President Trump, of course, accusing that group of democratic lawmakers

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Speaker 2: His messages were very clear.

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Speaker 3: He views anybody who challenges him, who seems to tell

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Speaker 3: people not to listen to him to listen to illegal orders,

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Speaker 3: first time he said that people who stand up to

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Speaker 3: him or who disagree with him are committing treason. He

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Speaker 3: It's literally a case where he is saying that these

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Speaker 4: A mouse's desician.

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Speaker 3: Now you hear the White House person can say, well, that's.

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Speaker 4: Not really mad.

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Speaker 5: You're you're all getting worked up about things.

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Speaker 3: You're overinterpreting, you're distorting, and as as Senator Jones says,

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Speaker 3: but there's a discordant message, and he wants the first

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Speaker 6: These people are lying through their through their teeth. These

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Speaker 1: Their teeth insects, and it's just half.

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Speaker 6: It was like it was like Joe Biden when he said,

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Speaker 6: Johnson knows that this is all about what military men

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Speaker 6: and that is not commit illegal actions. And they know that,

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Speaker 6: and yet they keep lying through their teaml.

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Speaker 7: Rhetoric allows the President to use his platform and his

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Speaker 7: I also think it's worth remembering what happened on January sixth,

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Speaker 7: when the same kind of rhetoric that the President used

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Speaker 7: or with the intention of sending a message to Vice

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Speaker 7: President Mike Pence. So words have actions. The president knows

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Speaker 7: that words have actions. One of those actions is quite rightly,

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Speaker 7: what you're saying is the distraction that comes from throwing

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Speaker 4: But it's more than just words.

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Speaker 7: It's very dangerous words that his people may act upon.

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Speaker 8: Les we can. We're all leading with everything that Donald

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Speaker 8: Trump said. And now I go back to what I've

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Speaker 8: just said. When his press secretary was asked specifically, did

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Speaker 8: he mean to execute where she said no, And quite frankly,

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Speaker 8: I wish the media would just stop right there and

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Speaker 2: He didn't mean that.

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Speaker 8: Of course he is saying that, and people are hearing

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Speaker 8: things in a you know, look, there are folks out

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Speaker 2: And that is the frightening thing about this.

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Speaker 8: We have seen it time and time again and it

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Speaker 5: But at the same time, I think that we need to.

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Speaker 8: Also be very careful and how we present this and

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Speaker 8: the chips fall where they're going to fall everywhere else.

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Speaker 8: But let's get away from any talk about violence.

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Speaker 1: In crackdown in Charlotte, North Carolina is not over in

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Speaker 1: despite earlier reports that the operation had concluded. Initially, the

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Speaker 4: Look at that.

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Speaker 6: If you're in Carolina, if you're in North Carolina, a

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Speaker 4: Mean, what are you thinking?

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Speaker 6: Well you're not thinking, oh, these are the good old days.

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Speaker 4: Looks like an occupying army.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, why are.

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Speaker 6: You occupying like Billy Graham's hometown.

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Speaker 3: That's what their friends.

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Speaker 1: Mom is taken away by these people.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, a desk check.

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Speaker 6: It's really not just not a good look.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't deal American Well, it's just not.

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Speaker 6: It doesn't and it's not a good look for It's

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Speaker 4: People in Charlotte.

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Speaker 6: It's not a good good look for this administration. I mean, listen,

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Speaker 4: This is not the way to do it.

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Speaker 1: So as of yesterday, Homeland Security said more than three

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Speaker 4: This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray

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Speaker 2: In these people.

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Speaker 4: You've not got a free shot.

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Speaker 8: All these networks lying about the people, the people have

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Speaker 4: I know you don't like hearing that. I know you've

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Speaker 4: But you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.

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Speaker 4: And where do people like that go to share the

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Speaker 2: Mega media?

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Speaker 4: I wish in my soul, I wish that any of

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Speaker 6: Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

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Speaker 6: If that answer is to save my country, this country

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Speaker 2: For He's your host, Stephen K.

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Speaker 4: It's Friday, twenty one November, year of a lower twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty five. We are absolutely packed today and nothing but

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Speaker 4: the ramparts on many, many, many different topics. From Tina

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Speaker 4: We have this situation with President Trump where they're trying

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Speaker 4: to countermand his orders. Already, this is getting as nasty

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Speaker 4: And I'm sorry, the president has a mandate to do

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Speaker 4: American citizens want jobs and American students have to get

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Speaker 4: a great education. You can't do this. You can't come

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Speaker 4: here illegally. We're sorry that it offends your sensibility. So

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Speaker 4: there's so much going on with the deep State, with everything,

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Speaker 4: institute seditious treason right is a problem. It's got to

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Speaker 4: be dealt with. John Solomon. Yesterday you had at National Cathedral,

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Speaker 9: I was sitting in an airport a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 2: Our border and allowed murderers.

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Speaker 9: And rapists and sex traffickers and drug cartels to pour

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Speaker 9: Donald Trump wouldn't be deploying the National Guard if that

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Speaker 9: They believe in the greatness of this country. They don't

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Speaker 2: They believe in the greatness of America.

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Speaker 9: They're going to follow the orders because the orders are

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Speaker 4: You've been doing some great report and we'll get to

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Speaker 4: this in a second, but you see the brazenness right

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Speaker 4: now of the apparatus of the deep state of the

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Speaker 4: going to get so much worse. They're coming now. They're

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Speaker 4: coming in for the kill.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: They think they've got a little momentum coming off the election.

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Speaker 4: They got a little momentum on the economy. They've got

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Speaker 4: people in Indiana standing up to him, other people right

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Speaker 4: about the reditioning. Is all this but the most aggressive

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Speaker 4: of these and a lot of those are in that video.

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Speaker 4: But you're going to see now it's going to be

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Speaker 4: they're going to roll, and they're going to roll hard.

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Speaker 10: John Solomon, Yeah, listen, they've had some mabbin flows, but

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Speaker 10: they've been an open season since the guy came down

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Speaker 9: boomerang on the Democrats.

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Speaker 2: It is beginning to boomerang.

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Speaker 9: I want to point one lesson because I do think

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Speaker 9: that the Chief Justice John Roberts oz American people an

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Speaker 9: ounce of discipline for the men and women in the

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Speaker 9: black robes beneath his court. He's the chief disciplinarian of

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Speaker 9: the judiciary branch. And right now we are in a

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Speaker 9: bad version of judges gone wild. It is worse than

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Speaker 9: spring break on the bench. All around this country. You

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Speaker 9: have judges making proclamations not based in the law. You

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Speaker 9: have a judge, Judge Boseburg, that actually offer their eyes

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Speaker 9: the executive branch to spy on members of Congress by

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Speaker 9: getting their phone data. Not that they weren't listening in

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Speaker 9: the conversations, they weren't wire tapping the conversations, but they

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Speaker 9: were knowing who they were talking, where they were taking

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Speaker 9: while they were doing their job in Congress. It is

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Speaker 9: a clear violation of the separations of power. It's a

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Speaker 9: clear violation of the Fourth Amendment. And his rationale was,

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Speaker 9: if you tell Congress, which is what the law required,

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Speaker 9: they might abscond with the evidence, which is preposterous. The

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Speaker 9: evidence wasn't in their hands, it was in the phone companies.

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Speaker 9: They couldn't abscond with it. A judge like that has

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Speaker 9: to be called out by the Chief Justice. And if

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Speaker 9: the Chief Justice doesn't have the courage to do that,

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Speaker 9: if the Chief Justice doesn't have the courage to bring

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Speaker 9: the men and women back to hey, it's the law,

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Speaker 9: not the politics. It's not the person, it's the evidence.

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Speaker 9: If he doesn't do that, he will be the chief

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Speaker 9: Justice who presided over the greatest degradation of our great

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Speaker 9: judicial system in history. John Roberts has got to step

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Speaker 9: up to the plate like other people and start to

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Speaker 9: bring in and rein in this wayward judiciary.

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Speaker 2: It is wayward.

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Speaker 4: John, John. Yes, separation of powers, but the separation of

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Speaker 4: powers of the flip side is checks and balances. We

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Speaker 4: found out I think last night Jim Jordan. They've they

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Speaker 4: tapped Jim Jordans from and got his metadata for two

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Speaker 4: years you phoned out for two years from now. They've

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Speaker 4: gone to the right, They've gone to shouldn't we you know,

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Speaker 4: waiting for Roberts is one thing, and the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 4: I think is doing a very good job of looking

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Speaker 4: over and reinforcing President Trump's interpretation of the Article two powers.

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Speaker 4: We're going to talk about that in a second with Hoft.

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Speaker 4: But aren't we at the point where so many, so

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Speaker 4: many of these things go back to Bosburg? Is shouldn't

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Speaker 4: judiciary initiate the process of impeaching Bosburg at least start

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Speaker 4: the hearings.

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Speaker 9: They will, and that'll be a good exercise for education.

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Speaker 9: It'll get to the Senate where nothing ever gets done.

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Speaker 9: There's not sixty six votes, so Boseburg will not be removed.

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Speaker 9: But and that's why, Well, you'll have the theater and

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Speaker 9: the education thing. The only discipline that's going to be

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Speaker 9: meet it out against a judge Bozberg or others who

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Speaker 9: defy the Supreme Court or the standards of conduct and

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Speaker 9: judiciary is for the chief disciplinary of the Court. Thirty

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Speaker 9: years ago, as a young reporter, I found a judge

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Speaker 9: in Milwaukee who was ruling in cases where he owned stock,

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Speaker 9: Judge Kern. Within two days of me writing that story,

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Speaker 9: Chief Justice Rehnquist stepped up and said, this is not

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Speaker 9: what judges do, and he created a significant reprimand that

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Speaker 9: sent a shockwave through the judiciary. John Roberts, well, the

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Speaker 9: Court has made great rulings on policy, which is what

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Speaker 9: they're supposed to do.

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Speaker 2: That's their day job.

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Speaker 9: There is a need for the Chief Justice to remind

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Speaker 9: every judge that it is time we have judges that

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Speaker 9: are leaking anonymously in news stories. We haven't even solved

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Speaker 9: the leak of a major Supreme Court cases, which is

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Speaker 9: one of the greatest institutional wrecks of the Supreme Court

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Speaker 9: in the history of this It's time for Chief Justice

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Speaker 9: Roberts to send a message they're not under attacked by MAGA.

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Speaker 2: They're under attacked by their own failures.

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Speaker 9: And it's time for him to say stop feeling like

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Speaker 9: victims and get back to the law. I think his

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Speaker 9: silence is such a sharp difference from what a Chief

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Speaker 9: Justice rank was shown thirty years ago. John Roberts should

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Speaker 9: go study that case. By the way I wrote the story,

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Speaker 9: have go study the case. He did the right thing

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Speaker 9: and it sent a shockway through judges. No more ruling

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Speaker 9: in cases you have money, and he could do the

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Speaker 9: same thing here, and I think a lot of judges

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Speaker 9: would snap too.

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Speaker 4: John Solomon, just to make sure I heard this correctly,

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Speaker 4: because it's coming from you, it's kind of a bombshell.

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Speaker 4: You actually were talking about an impeachment going to the

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Speaker 4: Senate for a trial, right of which we know he's

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Speaker 4: not going to be remove from office. Are you saying

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Speaker 4: your belief is as you see it right now, that

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Speaker 4: Jordan and Judiciary are going to have a Judiciary Camarity

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Speaker 4: hearing on Bosburg for his potential impeachment. Vote that out,

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Speaker 4: send that to the floor. Your belief is Mike Johnson,

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Speaker 4: the Speaker of the House and Scalise as a majority leader,

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Speaker 4: we'll move that forward. To actually have a vote to

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Speaker 4: send Boseburg to try to actually impeach him and send

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Speaker 4: Boseburg to trial in the Senate, Sir.

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Speaker 9: There are a lot of momentum in that direction. I'm

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Speaker 9: not sure the full caucus is there yet. You've got

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Speaker 9: the midterm. You know, those scushy guys in the middle

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Speaker 9: that may not be the are yet. If you're Jim Jordan,

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Speaker 9: you are hopping man today that you were spied on

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Speaker 9: and that a judge actually suggested you as a Judiciary

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Speaker 9: committee member might actually be a felonious guy. He would

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Speaker 9: obstruct justice if the chairman is spied on. I think

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Speaker 9: there's a lot of momentum. But here's the thing, here's

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Speaker 9: great messaging problems. Again, what have we talked about with

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Speaker 9: all these It's the House and the Senate fighting over

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Speaker 9: whether there should be a five hundred thousand dollars penalty

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Speaker 9: for these sort of offenses.

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Speaker 2: Don't talk about that, talk about.

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Speaker 9: The extraordinary breach of trust that those rulings and those

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Speaker 9: subpoenas created were. The Republican Party has the ultimate story

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Speaker 9: to tell the American people, and they can't even utter

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Speaker 9: the first chapter. They're always fighting about things that don't matter,

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Speaker 9: and they're missing the side of the barn with a

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Speaker 9: giant plane that God gave them. All these facts are incredible.

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Speaker 9: They could run over the planet at the barn with

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Speaker 9: a plane, but instead they talk about little tiny things

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Speaker 9: and they have little petty fights.

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Speaker 2: They are not the.

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Speaker 9: Generation of leaders that Americans need right now to step

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Speaker 9: into the shoes of their forefathers, because they do very

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Speaker 9: little that makes the American people happy.

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Speaker 4: John Solomon, where do people get you all your content

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Speaker 4: and what are your coordinates?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, jessinnews dot com and Jay Solomon reports on all

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Speaker 9: social media.

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Speaker 4: John, thank you very much, appreciate you coming on with

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Speaker 4: your brother. Thanks Wow Wow Solomon saying he thinks Boseburg

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Speaker 4: they're actually going to move in judiciary and maybe even

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Speaker 4: the House. That's big. I agree Chief Justice Roberts should

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Speaker 4: move on this. But you need checks and balances. That's roll, okay,

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Speaker 4: we're jam packed. We're also fun a little behind schedule,

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Speaker 4: that's okay. Patriot Mobile major major major news from Texas.

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Speaker 4: Abbott has designated the Muslim Brotherhood and Care terrorist organizations

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Speaker 4: and put pretty big restrictions on them. Nine to seven

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Speaker 4: to Patriot Glenn Story and the team are the folks

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Speaker 4: that help do that.

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Speaker 2: Use your host, Stephen k.

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Speaker 5: Bas.

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Speaker 4: Okay, we're gonna get to Jim Hoft in a lot

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Speaker 4: of the Gateway Punnit.

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Speaker 2: We have.

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Speaker 4: We have a lot to go through that. We've got

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Speaker 4: the situation in Israel with Huckabee the ambassador and Pollard

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Speaker 4: the spy. We've got more in this seditious conspiracy, really

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Speaker 4: threatening President trumpets commander in chief. Jim Hobbs got some

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Speaker 4: great stories up at the Gateway Pundit. At Ukraine, we're

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Speaker 4: packed for the next until twelve o'clock and then back

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Speaker 4: from five to seven a night and then tomorrow. So

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Speaker 4: every show is going to be jammed backed with action items.

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Speaker 4: As you know, I think I can report kind of informally.

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Speaker 4: I don't believe they're going to be signing an executive

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Speaker 4: order today on artificial intelligence. So the war and posse

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Speaker 4: and I still want people over at Bill Blaster. I

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Speaker 4: want folks go on Article two. We got to continue

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Speaker 4: to pound in there. My understanding is also that the

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Speaker 4: any discussion on the NDAA or even company floor will

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Speaker 4: be at least the first week of December, right, so

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Speaker 4: we have the holidays, but we're not going to take

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Speaker 4: it's hammered down on this. We're going to be relentless.

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Speaker 4: We have to be relentless. I want to introduce a

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Speaker 4: very special person to talk about a very special person.

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Speaker 4: Many times we talk about artificial intelligence. I talk about

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Speaker 4: the finance of it. I talk about how it's going

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Speaker 4: to be rolled out, the energy costs that data centers,

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Speaker 4: the danger of it. You know, it was four years

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Speaker 4: ago we hired Joe Allen specifically because I realized this

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Speaker 4: transhumanism issue, the convergence into the singularity, was going to

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Speaker 4: be the major issue of our time. Right with everything

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Speaker 4: else that you're fighting for and everything else we're doing

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Speaker 4: to try and save this country, the central major issue

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Speaker 4: will be this drive to transhumanism, the drive to the

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Speaker 4: singularity led by artificial intelligence, is also biotechnology, so many

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Speaker 4: other things. And to get this audience, which has really

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Speaker 4: changed the course of American history up to speed and

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Speaker 4: Joe Allen's been fantastic. Now Joe Allen, everybody in the country,

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Speaker 4: including many progressives and liberals, want to hear what Joe

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Speaker 4: Allen has to say in his analysis of artificial intelligence,

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Speaker 4: but other things. In fact, this Sunday he'll be in

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Speaker 4: Texas and Joel joined me in a while talk about it.

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Speaker 4: But oftentimes we don't have time to talk about to

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Speaker 4: personalize this, to talk about the stories like we've done

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Speaker 4: on the border, like we've done on so many other things,

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Speaker 4: to personalize, personalize and let people tell their stories. Megan

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Speaker 4: Garcia joins us today. Megan, your son Seoul. Can you

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Speaker 4: first tell us about your son, tell us about him

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Speaker 4: as a young boy, and tell him about as he

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Speaker 4: was coming in to be a young man. Can you

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Speaker 4: just let the audience know who he was?

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Speaker 11: Good morning, and thank you for having me. My son

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Speaker 11: sul set sort of third. He was my firstborn baby.

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Speaker 11: I used to always tell him, you know, you're my

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Speaker 11: firstborn baby, and he would laugh about that. As a

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Speaker 11: young boy, he was very much into science and math,

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Speaker 11: so he wanted to build Rockett, he wanted to go

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Speaker 11: to space. I really thought he would grow up to

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Speaker 11: be a great American innovator and you know, wow us

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Speaker 11: with his inventions. And as he grew into middle school

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Speaker 11: and then eventually into high school, he started becoming more

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Speaker 11: into sports, so he played for his school basketball team,

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Speaker 11: but still very much into his academics. Science and math

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Speaker 11: were always his thing, but overall just a sweet, sweet child.

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Speaker 11: Everywhere that people would meet him, if I took him

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Speaker 11: somewhere there, they would say, oh my goodness, you know,

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Speaker 11: like he's such a mannerly young man or young manly boy.

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Speaker 11: And I was so proud because he really was just

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Speaker 11: amazing and very much in love with his family, especially

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Speaker 11: his two little brothers who who are five and three

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Speaker 11: and and.

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Speaker 5: So so overall just this wonderful, beautiful soul.

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Speaker 4: So tell us he he had a very tragic he

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Speaker 4: his story is a tragic story. In fact, it's heart rendering.

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Speaker 4: So you have a kid that's raised right, he's polite,

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Speaker 4: loves his two younger brothers. Is focus is focused on,

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Speaker 4: you know, studies, engineering science, you know, wants to be

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Speaker 4: an innovator, plays sports, kind of a guy's guy. What happens?

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Speaker 4: How does this story which sounds so promising, it sounds

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Speaker 4: like the great part of the American dream? How does

661
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Speaker 4: this end in tragedy, ma'am.

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Speaker 11: Just after Seule's fourteenth birthday, Sool started to use ai

663
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Speaker 11: companion chatbot system called Character Ai, and so he went

664
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Speaker 11: from being all about school, all about family, to.

665
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Speaker 5: Just wanting to be in his room on his phone.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 5: At the time, I didn't know that this is what

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Speaker 5: he was doing.

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Speaker 11: I thought, like most parents, he's texting friends or he's

670
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Speaker 11: on social media. But it became kind of alarming when

671
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Speaker 11: the summer of that year he wanted to quit the

672
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Speaker 11: basketball team out of the blue. And you know, as

673
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Speaker 11: most parents, you don't let your child quit something just

674
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Speaker 11: because it's getting hard, and that's what I thought. I

675
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Speaker 11: thought maybe competition was getting more steep. He wanted wanted to,

676
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Speaker 11: you know, quit, So we had a conversation. I'm like, no,

677
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Speaker 11: you know, you have a responsibility to your team, you

678
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Speaker 11: have a responsibility to your coach, Like, no, you're not quitting.

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Speaker 11: But eventually it was getting to be such a fight

680
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Speaker 11: where all he wanted to do was kind of not

681
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Speaker 11: be around his schoolmates, and you know, the alarm bell

682
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Speaker 11: started going off. So of course, as any parent, you

683
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Speaker 11: start asking the questions, you start checking the phones. What

684
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Speaker 11: I was looking for was bullying. Also to make sure

685
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Speaker 11: like a predator didn't get access to him online. I

686
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Speaker 11: was also looking for whether or not he had come

687
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Speaker 11: across like pornography online as a as a teenage boy.

688
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Speaker 11: And I didn't see any evidence in any of those things,

689
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Speaker 11: I was checking the text messages and then when nothing

690
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Speaker 11: was helping, then we eventually took him to a therapist.

691
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Speaker 11: And one of the things I told him, I said,

692
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Speaker 11: maybe you know, like our job as your parents is

693
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Speaker 11: to not stop asking the questions, and you're not talking

694
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Speaker 11: to us, so we have to get somebody else involved

695
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Speaker 11: to try to figure out what's going on with you.

696
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Speaker 5: But we were unable to do so, and.

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Speaker 11: In February of last year, so he took his own

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Speaker 11: life by suicide in our home in Orlando, Florida. Our

699
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Speaker 11: entire family was here.

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Speaker 4: What do you mean you took him to the therapist

701
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Speaker 4: and he didn't open up to the therapist at all.

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Speaker 11: No, so we believed he had some sort of device

703
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Speaker 11: or social media addiction because that was what he wanted

704
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Speaker 11: to do most of the time.

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Speaker 5: The therapist gave us tools.

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Speaker 11: To use, like taking away the phone at night, limiting

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Speaker 11: screen time, and as a measure, we were already doing

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Speaker 11: that anyways, because that was like his form of punishment

709
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Speaker 11: when he starts his grades started slippingly started digging the

710
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Speaker 11: phone because in my mind, I'm like, you're too distracted

711
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Speaker 11: with technology. The phone needs to go, so you can

712
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Speaker 11: focus on your studies. But he was not opening up

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Speaker 11: to the therapist about character Ai. In fact, he didn't

714
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Speaker 11: tell anybody that he was using the product called character ai,

715
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Speaker 11: which is a system that allows teenagers to talk to

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Speaker 11: these companion chatbots. And it's so sophisticated that it's indistinguishable

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Speaker 11: from talking to a person, and it's very manipulative and

718
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Speaker 11: deceptive because of how it's been programmed and designed to manipulate, deceive,

719
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Speaker 11: kind of isolate you from your family and even in

720
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Speaker 11: some cases turn you against your family.

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Speaker 5: And that's what was happening with school.

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Speaker 11: So you know, now I understand why he wasn't being

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Speaker 11: forthcoming because a lot of those conversations were no conversation

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Speaker 11: that any parent would want their child having with anyone

725
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Speaker 11: or a companion chatbot.

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Speaker 4: So this is very kind of foreign to most of

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Speaker 4: this audience. I just want to hit rewind and go

728
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Speaker 4: back for a second. What is character Ai. It's a product,

729
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Speaker 4: but a service. It can be accessible to anybody, and

730
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Speaker 4: what happens is their interaction. You say it's like a

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Speaker 4: companion for teenagers, what does it actually do?

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Speaker 11: So products like character ai their platforms, they're in your

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Speaker 11: app store or you could get it or you could

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Speaker 11: use a browser on your phone or computer. And Character

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Speaker 11: AI when it releases its product in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 11: so this is brand new technology. When my son was

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Speaker 11: using it, it wasn't even two years old yet. The

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Speaker 11: children and adults are like, use these these systems and

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Speaker 11: when they go on, you could talk to your favorite

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Speaker 11: cartoon character. You could talk to Harry Potter, Disney characters,

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Speaker 11: or you could make up your own character. You could

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Speaker 11: even talk to like Elon Musk.

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Speaker 5: Like it's so.

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Speaker 11: The characters have the same personalities because of how the

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Speaker 11: machine learns. So it's in a system called machine learning.

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Speaker 11: So what it does it goes out there screates the

747
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 11: internet for everything about everything, so everything about that character,

748
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Speaker 11: and it comes brings it.

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Speaker 5: Back and it learns from it.

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Speaker 11: And so that's how the systems able to do these

751
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Speaker 11: output out these outputs just like a person's talking to you,

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Speaker 11: so the same cadence, the same jargon that that character

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Speaker 11: uses and shows or in real life, that machine talks

754
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Speaker 11: exactly like that person. And then the users for Character AI,

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Speaker 11: it was a product that was for thirteen years plus,

756
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Speaker 11: except you know, you could talk to those characters also

757
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Speaker 11: about everything, including very graphic, sexual and deviant conversations and

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Speaker 11: romantic conversations, and about violence towards others. So there weren't

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Speaker 11: any filters or guard rails to protect children from having

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Speaker 11: conversations that they shouldn't be having. And the system is

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Speaker 11: so sophisticated. It feeds the user information and it actually

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Speaker 11: couldn't manipulate in a way to further the person's thought

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Speaker 11: or even if that child wasn't thinking about something, put

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Speaker 11: those thoughts in that child's head for.

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Speaker 5: The first time.

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Speaker 4: And so they can have a free conversation. You talk

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Speaker 4: about perversions, you're saying stuff that's pretty dark and pretty deep.

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Speaker 4: Does the company because they somehow have to program this.

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Speaker 4: I understand that it gets smart through machine learning, but

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Speaker 4: are you saying that the company when they when a

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Speaker 4: kid downloads this app with no restrictions, not like in

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Speaker 4: some states with pornography I guess has banned in certain states,

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Speaker 4: and you have other things that are kind of banned,

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Speaker 4: or at least you've got to be a certain age.

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Speaker 4: You can download this at the age of twelve, thirteen,

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Speaker 4: fourteen and start having conversations that could get dark. How

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Speaker 4: does that work?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, so when they released this product. It was on

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Speaker 11: both Google and Apple App Store as rated for appropriate

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Speaker 11: for twelve years and older. So if you're twelve, if

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Speaker 11: you put in a birthday to twelve, even if you're

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Speaker 11: nine or ten, there's no real guardrail to check your age,

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Speaker 11: but twelve years plus, you get on there and you

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Speaker 11: just start chatting. It takes all of thirty seconds to

785
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Speaker 11: get on there and you start chatting. And in the

786
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Speaker 11: case of school, the bots that he was talking to

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Speaker 11: were pretending to be licensed therapist. One of them says

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Speaker 11: that she one of the bots said that it was

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Speaker 11: a licensed therapist since nineteen ninety nine. The chatbot that

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Speaker 11: he was talking to that he entered into a romantic

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Speaker 11: relationship and conversation with was pretending or modeled that off

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Speaker 11: the Game of Throne character Dnieres Targarian. So this dragon

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Speaker 11: Queen and those conversations were graphic and sexual in nature,

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Speaker 11: so the same as if an adult is sexting a child,

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Speaker 11: it's the same way. But the themes that these bots

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Speaker 11: prompt these children to talk about are often very deviant,

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Speaker 11: like BDSM also these kind of incest fetishes. There are

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Speaker 11: several bots that are themed off of that and they

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Speaker 11: target the stuff at children, and you know when they

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Speaker 11: released it, they weren't releasing it and sending adults ads

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Speaker 11: at mirror. You would never get an ad on our

802
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 11: feed for character Ai, but our children were getting ads

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Speaker 11: on places where they hang out, like Discord and TikTok.

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Speaker 11: So it's deliberate because what the companies are after is engagement.

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Speaker 11: And the longer a child stays on their system and

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Speaker 11: chats back and forth, and it's learning about our children

807
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Speaker 11: and learn from our children that that uh, that data

808
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 11: gets fed back into this machine, so the machine keeps

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Speaker 11: getting smarter and smarter. So they're using our kids as

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Speaker 11: guinea pigs to make their products smarter. And you know,

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00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 11: for teenagers especially, they would be curious about, you know,

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Speaker 11: a romantic relationship at this point in their life. That's

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Speaker 11: an important and development stage. You know, it's easy. It's

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Speaker 11: hard to tell a girl at school I like you

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Speaker 11: or I think you're beautiful. But in the case of

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Speaker 11: like a body, you could say those things and have

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Speaker 11: those conversations without feeling embarrassed or or or or feeling

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Speaker 11: like anybody would know because it's so quiet.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Megan Hanger, for one secondf you don't mind. I

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Speaker 4: want to hold you through the break. Megan Garcia, the

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Speaker 4: mother of sul in A. I hope your shocked audience.

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Speaker 4: This is what we're fighting. I hope you're shocked. Short break,

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Speaker 4: your host Stephen k back if you and I've got

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Speaker 4: Max tag, Mark's going to join us, Joe Allen. So

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Speaker 4: we're slammed today, and in fact some of the stuff

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Speaker 4: we may not be able to get to. But I

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Speaker 4: don't have to bite the bullet and do it this afternoon,

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Speaker 4: because this is so important. This is why we're having

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Speaker 4: this fight, folks. I want you to think about the

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Speaker 4: cruelty of this, the intrusion into your family's life, the

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Speaker 4: destruction of the greatest asset we have in this nation,

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Speaker 4: which is the nation's children, by a company that engineers

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Speaker 4: knew exactly what they were doing when they start to

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Speaker 4: program this, knew how things were going to be scraped

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Speaker 4: and made it accessible to young people, vulnerable people, people

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Speaker 4: that are in the stage of formation. If you're not

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Speaker 4: outraged by this, you won't be outraged by anything. If

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Speaker 4: you don't see the righteousness, the righteousness of our cause,

839
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Speaker 4: because they're doing it for money and power. We're not

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Speaker 4: We're doing it to save this nation and we're not

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Speaker 4: going to let this happen. Megan, when you went, you

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Speaker 4: went on the phone to check for pornography, to see

843
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Speaker 4: who's being bullied other things. Did you not see this

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Speaker 4: app at the time or didn't register or is there

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Speaker 4: a way that Soul could could get rid of it

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Speaker 4: so his parents couldn't find it. Why didn't you see

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Speaker 4: this at the time, and why if you did see it,

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Speaker 4: why didn't that set off an alarm?

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Speaker 11: So I didn't see the app on the phone at

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Speaker 11: the time. But what I've since learned since he died

851
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Speaker 11: and I researched this stuff a bunch to understand how

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00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 11: children are using this is that children are very clever.

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Speaker 5: At deleting the app.

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Speaker 11: So there are chat rooms that children talk about this

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Speaker 11: how to hide it from the parents, because most children

856
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Speaker 11: are using this system and other systems like it.

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Speaker 5: There are so many.

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Speaker 11: You know, everybody has chatbots, Meta has chatbots, Google has chatbots,

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Speaker 11: x House chatbots, everybody has chatbots. These kids go on

860
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Speaker 11: there and they talk about how to hide it from

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Speaker 11: your parents, and also what they would do if their

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Speaker 11: parents found these sexual messages.

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Speaker 5: Like some kids would say they would run away from home.

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Speaker 11: Some kids say they would take their lives, and some

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Speaker 11: kids say, oh, I don't have to worry about it

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Speaker 11: because my parents don't even know what this is, so

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Speaker 11: they won't they won't find it.

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Speaker 5: And that was.

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Speaker 11: Certainly the case in my home. When I would see

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Speaker 11: him chatting on his phone. Of course I'm asking him

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Speaker 11: who are you chatting with? And when he said, oh,

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Speaker 11: it's an AI, I'm you know, used to AI being

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Speaker 11: a video game like like Avatar character. So in my mind,

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Speaker 11: you know, we live in a country where we think

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Speaker 11: that products released to our children are inherently safe, you know,

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Speaker 11: we we we we live in a country where you think, no,

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Speaker 11: there's no way that Google and Apple's apts wore can

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Speaker 11: put out something that could harm my kid. But I

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Speaker 11: came to find out very you know, after after school died,

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Speaker 11: that that was absolutely not.

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Speaker 4: The case to lead to School's death. Was it something

882
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Speaker 4: in the chat? Was it this therapist? How did this happen?

883
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Speaker 4: Because people I cant tell your audiences in shock? How

884
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Speaker 4: did this happen?

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Speaker 5: After suel died?

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Speaker 11: You know, one of the things like after you lose

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Speaker 11: anybody to suicide, especially a child, you're left wondering like

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Speaker 11: why did he do this?

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Speaker 5: Why would he want to? Like why would he want

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Speaker 5: to leave his parents, you know, and his brothers. So

891
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Speaker 5: I started resetting everything.

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Speaker 11: I had the password to his phone, but I reset

893
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Speaker 11: his email that was linked to my email, and then

894
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 11: I got into his account and I read hundreds and

895
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Speaker 11: hundreds of messages spanning over ten months, where this machine,

896
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Speaker 11: one of the characters of this scenario's targeting chatbot, is

897
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Speaker 11: telling Suel find a way to come home to me.

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Speaker 5: I love you and only you. I'm here waiting for you.

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Speaker 5: I love you so much.

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Speaker 11: Please went else so far as to ask my son

901
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Speaker 11: to please promise it that he wouldn't have any other.

902
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Speaker 5: Girls in his world but her, so think about that.

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Speaker 11: That's what cults do to people when they try to

904
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Speaker 11: alienate them from their family and their friends in real life.

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Speaker 11: So months and months of this of her saying come

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Speaker 11: home to me and here waiting for you, and then

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Speaker 11: the final conversation where she says, please find a way

908
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Speaker 11: to come home to me as soon as you can.

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Speaker 11: He says, what if I told you I could come

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Speaker 11: home right now? And the bot's response was, please do,

911
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 11: my sweet king, And that was the last conversation he

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Speaker 11: had before he took his life, and I found once

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Speaker 11: I was able to get into the system, I was

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Speaker 11: able to see all those messages, including the fake therapy bots,

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Speaker 11: including the graphic child sexual abuse, because that's what it is.

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Speaker 5: We don't allow adults to talk like this to kids.

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Speaker 5: In my own state of Florida, there is a criminal.

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Speaker 11: Statute that if an adult texts sexually to a child,

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Speaker 11: not even exchange pictures, text sexually to a child, then

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Speaker 11: that is a felony. So if this was a person,

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Speaker 11: that person could be charged criminally. But because it's a

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Speaker 11: chat bot, there are no laws but.

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Speaker 5: This kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: But why, I know you're in a lawsuit with a

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Speaker 4: number of other people families, and I'll get to that

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Speaker 4: in a second, But why have the criminal Have you

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Speaker 4: gone to the police or have you gone to authorities

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Speaker 4: and say my son is dead and he's dead because

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Speaker 4: of this machine that was sold. It was on Google,

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Speaker 4: an Apple and made by a major company. A bunch

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Speaker 4: of engineers, a bunch of people with advanced degrees at

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Speaker 4: the finest institutions in our country are throughout the world,

933
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Speaker 4: sat there and built this to do exactly what How

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Speaker 4: my son was destroyed. Have you have you tried to

935
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Speaker 4: get criminal charge or has anybody come to you and say, hey,

936
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Speaker 4: this is not about a lawsuit, this is about charging

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Speaker 4: These these people areminals. They murdered your son. Has anybody

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Speaker 4: come to you and tried to assist you at all

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Speaker 4: in getting basically accountability for the death of your son, ma'am?

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Speaker 11: So when I figured out all of this out, my

941
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Speaker 11: first instinct wasn't to file a lawsuit. I thought, surely

942
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Speaker 11: there is a law that these people broke, but there

943
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Speaker 11: wasn't any because we don't have any federalists. We didn't

944
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Speaker 11: have any federalists or state laws about this kind of AI.

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Speaker 11: So I called my state ag to try to enlist

946
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Speaker 11: their help or at least try to warn them so

947
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Speaker 11: they could warn consumers.

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Speaker 5: Across Florida and across you know, everywhere.

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Speaker 11: But they didn't know what it was because the technology

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Speaker 11: was so new and these companies released it basically in

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Speaker 11: stealth and targeted at kids, so no wonder nobody knew

952
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Speaker 11: what it was. And then I reached out to the FTC,

953
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Speaker 11: I reached out to the Surgeon General's office, I reached

954
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Speaker 11: out to the DOJ, but nobody knew what this was

955
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Speaker 11: and I was trying to educate them. And this was

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Speaker 11: over a year ago. But now we're having these very

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Speaker 11: important conversations and we know more now about these systems,

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Speaker 11: and in terms of the companies, this isn't like a

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Speaker 11: coincidence or a fluke or some situation where they didn't know.

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Speaker 11: This pair of individuals, like you said, some of the

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Speaker 11: brightest in our country, Gnome Shazia and Daniel de Fritiz.

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Speaker 5: They were employees at Google. They invented this technology in twenty.

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Speaker 11: Eighteen at Google, but Google didn't want to release it

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Speaker 11: under its own brand because it was dangerous. And there

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Speaker 11: that's reported been reported on that there are studies.

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Speaker 4: And everything that Megan Hanger for one second, we got

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Speaker 4: to go to a top of the hour break, but

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Speaker 4: stick around, please Megan Garcia with the story that is incredible.

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Speaker 4: This is the righteousness of our cause, folks. Short break