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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Baseball is going to robo umpires in twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 2: or at least a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: We know where this is going, but this is where

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Speaker 2: they just say, man, we're going to try it out

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Speaker 2: for a little bit here. But they've been testing this

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Speaker 2: for a few years now in the minor leagues. But

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Speaker 2: as it stands now, there will be limited challenges for

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Speaker 2: balls and strikes. And let me give you a little

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Speaker 2: bit of the information here. Hitters, pitchers and catchers will

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Speaker 2: be the only ones allowed to trigger this system. They

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Speaker 2: tap their head and then the challenge is on. The

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Speaker 2: pitch will be shown on in stadium scoreboards, and then

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Speaker 2: teams will be able to retain if they're correct with

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Speaker 2: that their challenge. So kind of like with tennis where

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Speaker 2: they show you if the ball is in or out.

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Speaker 2: Now they're just getting charted with this. But it's called

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Speaker 2: the ABS system Automated Balls and Strikes. But they do

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Speaker 2: this in tennis. They have twelve cameras in each ballpark

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Speaker 2: tracking the ball margin of error is one sixth of

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Speaker 2: an inch, so the zone will be two dimensional plane here.

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Speaker 2: But there's a couple other things that I found interesting

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Speaker 2: with this, and we've talked about this before. It's going

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Speaker 2: to be taking over baseball that if you want to

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Speaker 2: get the balls and strikes correct, then just have it.

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Speaker 2: You'll still have to have an umpire. There's not going

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Speaker 2: to be a robot out there. I think everybody thinks,

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Speaker 2: like you know that Fox Football robots out there balls.

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Speaker 2: It's not going to be a robot. It's going to

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Speaker 2: be automated balls and strikes.

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Speaker 3: Jes hut, That's.

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Speaker 4: Exactly what I thought it was on Why do they

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Speaker 4: call it robots? Like you're entitled to your opinion, but

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Speaker 4: that was a strike.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Todd.

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Speaker 2: So adding robot See, I don't even like robot umpires.

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Speaker 2: They don't call them robot umpires in tennis, do they.

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Speaker 2: It's just a challenge system. But the umps will be

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Speaker 2: also cutting down on ejections because I was curious the

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Speaker 2: percentage of ejections in Major League Baseball among players and

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Speaker 2: managers and coaches. Almost sixty two percent of the time

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Speaker 2: were related to balls and strikes. Okay, so they're going

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Speaker 2: to cut down on that. You'll cut down on ejections

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Speaker 2: here for derogatory comments there and in case you're wondering umpires.

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Speaker 2: According to the ump scorecards, they are right ninety four

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Speaker 2: percent of the time on pitches ninety four percent of

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Speaker 2: the time. But you're going to have two challenges, and

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Speaker 2: it has to be immediate because you can't wait for

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Speaker 2: somebody to look at a replay in the dugout. It

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Speaker 2: has to be with the catcher, the batter or the pitcher.

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Speaker 2: If the goal is to get it right, and you

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Speaker 2: have the technology to get it right, then use it.

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Speaker 2: But I baseball wants to speed up the game. I

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Speaker 2: get that, and they've done it. You know, the pitch

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Speaker 2: clock is great. The runner on second base to start

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Speaker 2: extra innings is embarrassing. But you know they had bigger bags,

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Speaker 2: so there's more stolen bases. Okay, they want more offense,

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Speaker 2: they want more movement. All right, we've accomplished them this.

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Speaker 2: I still think, you know, it's entertainment. You're presenting something.

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Speaker 2: So now I can show you something on the JumboTron

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Speaker 2: and you could see did they get the call right

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Speaker 2: or not, just like in tennis.

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Speaker 3: I think it's.

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Speaker 2: Going to be part of the fabric of the game.

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Speaker 2: They're going to dip their toe in it. And I

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Speaker 2: think by twenty thirty, this is how baseball is going

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Speaker 2: to be called. You'll still have the umpires, you will

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Speaker 2: just have somebody up above who will then say to

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Speaker 2: the umpire that you know, it's a ball or it's

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Speaker 2: a strike. Now you're going to have somebody up above

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Speaker 2: managing the game. The umpires will just be the mouthpiece

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Speaker 2: to say if it's a ball or strike, or they

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Speaker 2: might not even say anything. They may have showed up

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Speaker 2: on the screen. But this is where we're headed. I'm

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Speaker 2: okay with it. You know, I've watched enough games where

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Speaker 2: I watch an umpire and I go, what game is

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Speaker 2: he calling? Like they are brutal calls, and you know,

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Speaker 2: these umpires are human. There's umpires who hold a grudge.

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Speaker 3: They do.

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Speaker 2: There's umpires who are very friendly to certain pictures or

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Speaker 2: they're just picture friendly strike zones or the other way around.

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Speaker 2: And this will take away that as well. And how

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Speaker 2: many times do you watch a game we get centerfield camera.

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Speaker 2: It's not really center field because it's not directly behind

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Speaker 2: the picture, but we look at it and we go,

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Speaker 2: that's a strike. But if the camera was over right

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Speaker 2: behind the picture, you realize that it wasn't so sometimes

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Speaker 2: it's an optical illusion. But we are headed towards the

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Speaker 2: autumn balls and strikes, and baseball is trying. Now, Baseball

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Speaker 2: didn't change at all, you know, all these different leagues

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Speaker 2: they're always trying to implement something new. Baseball didn't change

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Speaker 2: for centuries. And then all of a sudden they are

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Speaker 2: at the forefront. They're trying everything anything, And I think

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Speaker 2: it's just this commissioner is going to leave his mark

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Speaker 2: on this game in a variety of ways, whether we're

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Speaker 2: going to say he was a great commissioner or not.

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Speaker 2: I think he has improved the game. But let's just

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Speaker 2: get rid of the runner at second base to start

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Speaker 2: the tenth inning. Come on, that's something you do in

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Speaker 2: little league just so you can get the kids home.

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Speaker 2: So you know, Savannah Bananas doesn't even do that silly stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Todd. Do you like the tapping on.

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Speaker 4: The head for the challenge? How about like the red

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Speaker 4: challenge flag in your back pocket, drop it on home

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Speaker 4: play to throw it towards the pitchers mount if you

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Speaker 4: want to try to get some more.

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Speaker 3: No, I don't want to get carrying a flag up there.

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Speaker 3: There's a little handkerchief in your back pocket. No.

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Speaker 2: No, then he's going to go, oh damn, where's my

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Speaker 2: I don't have my hanky. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: What if someone just adjusting their helmet and they take

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Speaker 4: that as a challenge. I was just kind of tapping

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Speaker 4: my helmet out an.

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Speaker 3: D What if you accidentally drop the hanky. That's a

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Speaker 3: valid point, Thank you, Todd.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I was reading Jeff Passon's article and there's only

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Speaker 5: four players on this eleven person committee that voted on

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Speaker 5: this and developed it.

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Speaker 3: He said.

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Speaker 5: A couple of those players voted against it. I wonder

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Speaker 5: if the players don't like this because it takes away

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Speaker 5: their skill in gamesmanship of dealing with a tighter strike

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Speaker 5: zone or expanded strike zone. If you're Paul Goldschman, you're like, Okay,

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Speaker 5: this up is going low. That helps me. I could

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Speaker 5: I could work that. And I think it hurts the player,

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Speaker 5: the talented player.

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Speaker 3: I think it hurts the picture that too.

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Speaker 5: I think it absolute hurts.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it hurts a hitter. A hitter once

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Speaker 2: just call it so I know what the strike zone is.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it hurts both players.

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Speaker 3: I agree it.

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Speaker 2: You know, pictures get so much leeway. You know you'll

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Speaker 2: be like yep, and then you go, are you kidding me?

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Speaker 2: It feels like more hitters get upset with calls than

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Speaker 2: pitchers get upset.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I think if I was a catcher, I would be

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Speaker 6: more upset than anybody, because that's sort of that. The

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Speaker 6: the art of framing a pitch to get a call

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Speaker 6: would be completely removed by this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, ton, Why was that ever?

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Speaker 7: Okay?

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Speaker 4: In baseball, strike is a striking a ball as a ball?

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Speaker 7: Why is it?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 4: This ump calls strikes a certain way and one call

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Speaker 4: the other way. If they did that in football, that'd

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Speaker 4: be were Oh he doesn't call holding that one. Oh,

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Speaker 4: you could do past the aference all you want. That

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Speaker 4: guy does very little.

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Speaker 3: Call they do that. They do that in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: It's ridiculous. If call is a call, I don't understand.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's Joe West calls it like that. So get

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Speaker 4: used to it. You can throw it high and they'll

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Speaker 4: call it a strike.

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Speaker 3: Well, but this is where I wonder.

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Speaker 2: You know, with the umpires that they have all these

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Speaker 2: you're graded after each game, but you would think at

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Speaker 2: some point you would say, you know, hey, Tommy, you're

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Speaker 2: calling way too many holding penalties, or hey, you're not

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Speaker 2: calling enough pass interfering. I would think that they would have,

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Speaker 2: you know, checks and balances with that. But you're right

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Speaker 2: about catchers. You know the art of framing a pitch.

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Speaker 2: But if you can get the call right, and you know,

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Speaker 2: we're fine with it in tennis, and those guys complain

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Speaker 2: about everything in tennis, So get the call right. It

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Speaker 2: can still be entertaining. You can put it up on

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Speaker 2: the jumbo tron and everybody can play the game play along.

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Speaker 6: Yes, that's the thing that drives me crazy about this.

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Speaker 6: You put in the system where you can get the

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Speaker 6: call right twice.

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Speaker 7: I know.

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Speaker 6: Well, if if you're going to put in the system

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Speaker 6: and get the calls right, just do the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you continue to get the call though, then

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Speaker 2: you get to continue to keep your challenges.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but still okay.

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Speaker 6: So then you get it wrong two times and then

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Speaker 6: then the third time, well, now I can't charge it

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Speaker 6: and it's obviously a striker of ball. Well now I

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Speaker 6: can't because I use them the other times. What's important

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Speaker 6: getting the call right or using your tapping your helmet

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Speaker 3: Right, it's stupid.

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Speaker 2: Baseball wants to try this out. So It's not one

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Speaker 2: of those where you go to a game and go,

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Speaker 2: wait a minute, what's going on here. It's just want

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Speaker 2: to let you know this is coming. But this is

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Speaker 2: what it's going to look like and feel like for everybody.

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Speaker 2: Even with the pitch clock, everybody hated it. Oh what

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Speaker 2: are you doing? Baseball is timeless. You know, you should

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Speaker 2: be able to pitch when you want to pitch, or

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Speaker 2: get in the batter's box or any of that nonsense.

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Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, it's like, wait a minute,

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Speaker 2: they're going to wear a wristband.

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Speaker 3: Wait a minute.

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Speaker 2: Now, we don't even talk about it now. It's just

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Speaker 2: part of the game, and I think that's what these

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Speaker 2: commissioners want. It's just you don't like the kickoff, like, okay,

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Speaker 2: we don't. Esthetically it looks weird, but we're okay, we're

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Speaker 2: getting we're getting kickoff returns.

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Speaker 3: Hey, that's great, yeah, Paulie.

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Speaker 5: According to this new rule, teams that run out of

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Speaker 5: challenges over the first nine innings will get an extra

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Speaker 5: one in the tenth and so on. So if you

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Speaker 5: use yours in the tenth and the game goes to

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Speaker 5: the eleventh, you get one of the eleventh that's pretty

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Speaker 5: smart of MLB to anticipate that issue, because imagine if

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Speaker 5: you know, World Series Game four and you're out of challenges.

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Speaker 6: And you start the runner on second and then you

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Speaker 6: challenge the thing that forces them into the.

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Speaker 5: Could we have a playoff series that ends on a

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Speaker 5: strikeout and they ask for a replay as the guys

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Speaker 5: are running onto the field, like the twenty eight three.

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Speaker 2: That would be a walk. Yeah, you know, I could

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Speaker 2: see where you would have something like that. But okay,

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Speaker 2: at least they're trying. At least they're looking exploring, and

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Speaker 6: I think we should start with robo umps.

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Speaker 3: See, they got to get rid of that term. That's

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Speaker 5: It's like meat loaf. It's a distasteful term when we're

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like you're gonna have machines out there. Is this

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 2: You're still gonna have your linesman, your umpires. You're gonna

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Speaker 6: Yes, it's a little bit like the tennis judge is

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Speaker 3: Okay, in that the tennis.

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Speaker 6: Judge has a computer telling them all of the information.

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Speaker 3: There and be like, no, I know what it is.

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Speaker 6: When you have all the answers, it's easy to be

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Speaker 6: Sorry, no, I'm sorry, that's shoot in common.

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Speaker 4: Yes, So why now all of a sudden, I know

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Speaker 4: This isn't going to necessarily make the game more exciting

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Speaker 3: How many games have you gone to this year? I

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Speaker 3: Can't go to less games than you went to, right.

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Speaker 4: What I'm saying, I'm talking about the average fan is

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Speaker 7: It's all about the dollars.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they're trying to get you to go

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Speaker 4: So it's just so we have this extra technology, you

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Speaker 7: The calls right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's that simple.

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Speaker 4: I always think there's a devious background doors in the league.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think this improves attendance. I think they're

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Speaker 3: You know, you know, I'm gonna tap my ailment at

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Speaker 6: As long as you haven't tapped your helmet too many times,

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Speaker 6: it is, how about we take a break, all right?

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Speaker 6: Take a break? Yes see, yeah, leave it to you

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Speaker 4: So you need it to be And after a couple

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Speaker 6: Then you asked us to get it right too many times.

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Speaker 6: So now we're not gonna get it right. We're gonna

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Speaker 3: That's what it is.

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Speaker 4: It's all sneaky.

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Speaker 2: Hey, come on, kids, we're gonna go watch robo umpires.

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Speaker 2: We're going to the game.

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Speaker 4: There was a conversation behind closed doors with the league

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Speaker 3: We're gonna look like we care about balls. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: Give me the most important college football game this weekend.

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Speaker 11: Most important probably the Georgia Alabama game. I think when

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Speaker 7: And Kirby Smart, for.

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Speaker 11: Everything he's done on the collegiate level, I think he's

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Speaker 2: But if kailn Debor and Alabama beat Georgia, that takes

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Speaker 11: Takes heat off of him, I think it clearly puts

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Speaker 7: Heat's being turned up and you may get fired.

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Speaker 11: I think BK feels the heat because every coach who

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Speaker 7: He went into the transfer portal.

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Speaker 11: can be the same and the team can have been

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Speaker 11: in the program, but the team is not hearing the

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Speaker 11: message for whatever reason.

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Speaker 7: I think that's the case up in Clemson.

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Speaker 11: Man, they got probably five or six guys that are

446
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Speaker 11: going to be drafted in the first two rounds. So

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Speaker 11: how can a team that talented be one and three?

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Speaker 11: Somehow there's a disconnect between the coaches and the players.

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Speaker 11: And on top of that, I'll go one step further.

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Speaker 11: I don't think Dabo has hired the greatest coaches to

451
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Speaker 11: run his offensive defense since he's in the last few years.

452
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Speaker 11: Like he's got Gary Rally running the running the offense,

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Speaker 11: he's got Tom Allen running the defense. There's a disconnect

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Speaker 11: there also, because when talent and the coaching staff don't connect,

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Speaker 11: I think what you get is you get one and three.

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Speaker 2: Booker McFarland ESPN, NFL College Football Analyst, the studio analyst

457
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Speaker 2: on ABC, and you can also see him on NFL

458
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Speaker 2: Prime Time with Chris Berman on ESPN plus more concerns

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Speaker 2: about the Ravens or the Chiefs.

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Speaker 11: Can City because I think when you look at Kansas City,

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Speaker 11: they've won with their defense the last few years, and

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Speaker 11: the def is still pretty good. But at a certain point,

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Speaker 11: we always knew the offense would come, and Patrick would

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Speaker 11: come and Travis would come. But like the best parts

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Speaker 11: of their team are not performing. Kelsey's not performing, Pray

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Speaker 11: Smith the right guard is not performing, and you say, well,

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Speaker 11: what the hell does the right guard.

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Speaker 7: Mean, it's really simple.

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Speaker 11: It means protection for the quarterback and opening holes in

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Speaker 11: the run game. Well, they're not doing either. I understand

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Speaker 11: Rashid rice is. I was with a suspension. You're trying

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Speaker 11: to figure out when Xavier Worthy is going to come back.

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Speaker 11: So at a certain point, I think they're going to

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Speaker 11: get their weapons back. But if they lose this game,

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Speaker 11: they're one and three, I think Baltimore wins the game,

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Speaker 11: and they're winning three and a certain point, the whole

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Speaker 11: is too big, and I get very concerned when the

478
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Speaker 11: team is revolving around one guy. And it seems to

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Speaker 11: me that if Patrick doesn't make courageous plays like they

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Speaker 11: don't move the ball, and so it's no longer a team.

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Speaker 7: It's turned into a one man's show.

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Speaker 11: And I don't care who you are, one man shows

483
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Speaker 11: don't survive an it's too many grown men, it's too

484
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Speaker 11: many great players. You have to have a team, and

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Speaker 11: right now their team is not as good as it's

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Speaker 11: being for those reasons I listed.

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Speaker 2: I was wondering if the Giants. I knew they would

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Speaker 2: go to Jackson Dart eventually, but do you start him

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Speaker 2: at home against a better team and the Chargers or

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Speaker 2: on the road against an inferior team the Saints.

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Speaker 11: You know, it amazes me, Like why does everybody always

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Speaker 11: try to be concerned and try to pick the place

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Speaker 11: that he starts at DP?

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Speaker 7: Like he's a professional football player.

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Speaker 11: Take the band aid off, like this is not old Miss,

496
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Speaker 11: this is not Syracuse. Like we're not playing for the

497
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Speaker 11: Peach Bowl. We're playing for the Super Bowl. Take the

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Speaker 11: band aid off. Let him go play and if he fails, great,

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Speaker 11: turn the tape on, coach him up, and send it

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Speaker 11: back out there. Like at a certain point, we have

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Speaker 11: to we have to stop trying to handpick a moment

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Speaker 11: for success. We almost treat these guys like our kids.

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Speaker 11: You know, I want my child to be successful, so

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Speaker 11: you try to put him in a spot where they

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Speaker 11: can have success early so they can get I get that.

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Speaker 11: But at a certain point, don't you want your kid

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Speaker 11: to kind of fall and kind of scratch himselves up

508
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Speaker 11: a little bit? Like I don't want him to bust

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Speaker 11: ahead of him, but I do want him to fall

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Speaker 11: so they can kind of grow and learn. I think

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Speaker 11: you have to treat the quarterback the same way. Is

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Speaker 11: he going to struggle against San Diego or Los Angeles. Absolutely,

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Speaker 11: he might get his head beating in, but he'll be

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Speaker 11: better far the next day. He may struggle against the Saints,

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Speaker 11: he'll be better far the next day. The only way

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Speaker 11: you can teach a guy or a player can learn something.

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Speaker 11: I truly believe you learn more through failure than you

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Speaker 11: do through success. Through success, so I want him to

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Speaker 11: fail soon. So shame on you for trying to handpick

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Speaker 11: where you put him at DP.

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Speaker 7: Put him out there, let him play it.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I learn more, And people say, how do you know? Like,

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Speaker 2: what do you buy in on a quarterback? I said,

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Speaker 2: I want to see what he does when he throws

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Speaker 2: an interception, what he does the next series, that will

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Speaker 2: tell me everything. I want to know what you do

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Speaker 2: when it's all starting to cave in, and yes, get

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Speaker 2: him out there, at him play. I think they're viewing

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Speaker 2: him as his savior with the Giants, and if you're

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Speaker 2: Brian Dabele, he has to be a savior to save

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Speaker 2: your job. It feels like Ken, I think, what do

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Speaker 2: you have to see if your ownership of the Giants

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Speaker 2: with Jackson Dart that you're going to bring back that

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Speaker 2: coaching staff.

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Speaker 11: I think if you see the quarterback fail and then

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Speaker 11: continue to get better throughout the season, because I think

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Speaker 11: we all feel like a rookie quarterback is going to struggle.

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Speaker 11: But what you want to see is progress. You want

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Speaker 11: to see him. He may not be Jayden Daniels, because

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Speaker 11: he's not. But if you can have some some moments

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Speaker 11: of success the way Jayden Daniels did as a rookie

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Speaker 11: and towards the end of the year, then you can say, Okay,

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Speaker 11: I think the coach can get it out of him,

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Speaker 11: and now I'll bring the coach back. But because I

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Speaker 11: think at some point, and the Giants have been very patient,

546
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Speaker 11: because at some point you got to stop the cycle.

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Speaker 7: You got to stop the.

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Speaker 11: Cycle of coach on the hot seat, rookie quarterback play,

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Speaker 11: rookie quarterback, coach get fired, then you start over because

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Speaker 11: now rookie quarterback has racedly has way year one, and

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Speaker 11: now year two is a learning year, and then you're

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Speaker 11: in the year three and guess what, at a certain point,

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Speaker 11: he's gonna want to be paid. It's kind of the

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Speaker 11: same thing that's going on in Chicago, like everybody's talking about,

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Speaker 11: like Ben Johnson, Caleb Williams came in. Now Ben Johnson

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Speaker 11: is there. I think those two guys are married for

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Speaker 11: like four or five years. I think that's the way

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Speaker 11: to do it. Like you have to marry the coach

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Speaker 11: and the quarterback so he can have time to actually

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Speaker 11: coach the player. And so if you're Giants ownership, if

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Speaker 11: Brian Dabo shows that Jackson Dard has any type of

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Speaker 11: pass throughout the season, I think you're bringing back. I

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Speaker 11: think you bring him and Joe Shane back, maybe on

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Speaker 11: a two year deal, and if they can't get it

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Speaker 11: done at that point, then you make a change.

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Speaker 7: By then, at that point, I think the.

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Speaker 11: Quarterback will have enough experience where you can figure out

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Speaker 11: whether or not you want to keep him or you

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Speaker 11: want to give the new coach an opportunity to go

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Speaker 11: draft his own quarterback.

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Speaker 2: If I put everybody at ESPN in the octagon, uh huh,

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Speaker 2: who comes out?

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Speaker 11: I think Chris Canty's gonna be a candidate to come out.

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Speaker 11: Myself will be a candidate to come out. I think

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Speaker 11: Marcus Spears probably is a candidate to come out. I

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Speaker 11: mean beyond that, man, like some of these dudes at ESPN,

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Speaker 11: Like it's a lot of dudes that are sawt like

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Speaker 11: Mike Greenberg. Mike Greenberg is soft man. Greenberg is not.

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Speaker 11: As a matter of fact, Greeny is not even entering

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Speaker 11: the octagon. Kevin nagand he's not getting in the octagon.

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Speaker 11: David Lloyd, like some of these guys are not getting in.

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Speaker 11: I think the only person who is a non athlete

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Speaker 11: that may get in would probably be Michael Lees.

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Speaker 7: But he just had both needs replace, so I'm not

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Speaker 7: sure how long he would last.

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Speaker 3: How about Chefty?

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Speaker 7: Have you seen Chefty try to do the lambo leap

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Speaker 7: or do the gritty like?

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Speaker 11: There's nothing athletic about shifting nothing, And I love him

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Speaker 11: to death. Now he's a he's a pretty good golfer,

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Speaker 11: so I shouldn't say there's nothing athletic about him. But

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Speaker 11: as far as using that athleticism to in any shape,

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Speaker 11: way or form, fight.

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Speaker 7: No chance.

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Speaker 3: What about Kendrick Perkins, I'm not.

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Speaker 11: Sure the level of stamina is there for KP to

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Speaker 11: last in the octagon. And I love like Perkins seventy

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Speaker 11: feet tall, and I know Perkins losing some weight, but

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Speaker 11: at a certain point, like those rounds last five minutes,

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Speaker 11: and so what I would do against Perkin is just

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Speaker 11: run for five minutes DP like, just I'm a shuffle

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Speaker 11: shuffle for five minutes and stay out.

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Speaker 3: Of the way, or Alotsky can't get in the octagon.

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Speaker 11: You know what, I don't call him more lost y.

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Speaker 11: I call him a human exclamation point because he's six

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Speaker 11: y five and two hundred pounds. He's bigger than you think. Also,

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Speaker 11: I don't know if he's tough. He's a quarterback. Like,

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Speaker 11: how many quarterbacks have you seen that's not named Jim

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Speaker 11: McMahon or Brett fav that are tough, Like I just don't.

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Speaker 11: I don't think that the quarterback is being tough, just

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Speaker 11: like you, Like you host the show. You're amazing at

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Speaker 11: what you do. Nothing about you says I'm tough. Nothing

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Speaker 11: I mean and I'm gonna say that to your face. Now,

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Speaker 11: super smart. Maybe you're a good golfer. You and I

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Speaker 11: have haven't played golf together, But nothing about you says tough.

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Speaker 2: It's fair, But mentally tough is something that you know

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Speaker 2: that's that's really rare that I'm mentally tough. You know,

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Speaker 2: I'm sort of like Brady that you underestimate me and

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Speaker 2: then I become the goat.

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Speaker 3: So underestimate me. It's your you know.

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Speaker 11: That may be the only time that someone even you

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Speaker 11: compare yourself to Brady number one, number two.

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Speaker 7: I want to pick your brain on this. I'm going

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Speaker 7: to the Ryder Cup on Friday.

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Speaker 11: Okay, what are your thoughts on the Ryder Cup in

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Speaker 11: New York And how do you think this is gonna

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Speaker 11: play out?

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Speaker 7: Because I have a theory because the course is set up, the.

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Speaker 11: Rough is not as long because the US is not

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Speaker 11: the straightest off the tea. I get that, but I

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Speaker 11: think speaking of mentally tough, I think the Europeans, because

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Speaker 11: of their experience, may be a little bit more mentally

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Speaker 11: tough than the Americans. Let me hear your thoughts in

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Speaker 11: the rod of Cup.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that we've seen where they galvanize better

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Speaker 2: than we do. Yes, yes, And I think that there

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Speaker 2: is there's so much psychological warfare that's involved in this,

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Speaker 2: Like you must be mentally tough. There's a five footer

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Speaker 2: to have the whole, and you got to have guys

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Speaker 2: who can do that. And I think the European team,

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Speaker 2: the way they're built, we've always had individuals.

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Speaker 3: They have a.

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Speaker 2: Team, and I think even though you have some marquee

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Speaker 2: guys there big names they still come out as a team,

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Speaker 2: and a team is always going to beat individuals, so

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Speaker 2: I would not be surprised to all if the Europeans

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Speaker 2: win this thing.

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Speaker 11: That's a great point. I would also add to that

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Speaker 11: and correct me if I'm wrong. I think the Americans

650
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Speaker 11: are getting paid and the Europeans are doing this for free.

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Speaker 11: I think there's something there because not that the Americans

652
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Speaker 11: asked to get paid, even though Patrick Cantley wants to

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Speaker 11: be paid to wear a hat.

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Speaker 7: That's a whole different story.

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Speaker 11: I do think to your point, Europeans would do this

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Speaker 11: and they are doing it for free just because of

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Speaker 11: how much it means. I think some way, shape or form,

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Speaker 11: they've always felt inferior to America when it comes to golf,

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Speaker 11: and I think that's why they may get up for

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Speaker 11: this more than the Americans.

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Speaker 7: Would that be fair to say.

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Speaker 2: I think it's it's always resonated. It's more important to them, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because they have been underdogs. But you know, most of

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Speaker 2: them live in the United States, so it's not like

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Speaker 2: the old days where they maybe weren't playing that much

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Speaker 2: against the PGA tour guys. Now you know, they're all

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Speaker 2: kind of comrades in arms here you got the whole

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Speaker 2: live and the PGA tour and then you know, so

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Speaker 2: Deshambo's the one guy.

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Speaker 3: That's the one guy.

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Speaker 2: That I'm more curious about than anybody else playing.

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Speaker 3: Do his teammates like him his style of play?

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Speaker 8: You know?

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Speaker 3: Is Justin Thomas going to be his partner here?

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Speaker 2: How does that go? Do you match him up with Rory?

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, do we get fireworks going? All

677
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Speaker 2: of those things? And that's you know, a wonderful course

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Speaker 2: for them to play, But the Europeans have played well

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Speaker 2: on that golf course.

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Speaker 11: I think if you're Louke Donald, I'm pairing Terrel Hatton

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Speaker 11: and John ram and I'm sending them out first because

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Speaker 11: I want to set the tone in New York. I

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Speaker 11: need somebody who's used to handling the pressure, who's used

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Speaker 11: to the crowd, and I need a little bit of

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Speaker 11: a guy who's honering, and I think you get that

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Speaker 11: with Hatton and John Raump. My question for Keegan is

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Speaker 11: who you're gonna send out first? Are you sending Scotty

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Speaker 11: and Russell Henley out first, or are you gonna kind of,

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Speaker 11: you know, send d Shamba out first? Just because of

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Speaker 11: the attitude if it were me, I need to win

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Speaker 11: that first point. I'm sending Scotty Shuffler, Russell Henley, and

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Speaker 11: if I'm the Europeans, I'm sending Aryl Hatton and John Ram.

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Speaker 7: I haven't seen.

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Speaker 11: Any parents, but it wouldn't be It wouldn't surprise me

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Speaker 11: if that's the first match out Friday morning at seventeen.

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Speaker 3: Look at you.

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Speaker 2: You don't need football break down golf here. I love

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Speaker 2: it like having I like having fun, you know that, buddy,

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 2: Hey, have a great weekend. Thanks again for talking to us,

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Speaker 2: and have fun out there anytime.

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Speaker 12: Man.

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Speaker 7: I appreciate you guys having me.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Bugger McFarlane.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan

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Speaker 2: Dan Hurley, he's got a new memoir, Never Stop Life,

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Speaker 2: Leadership and what it takes to be Great.

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Speaker 3: Before we get to the book, do you.

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Speaker 2: Want to weigh on on this topic? Of driving in

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Speaker 2: the fast light. What kind of driver are you?

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Speaker 8: I mean, it would probably surprise people, but I'm actually

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Speaker 8: a pretty calm driver. You know, my wife drives like

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Speaker 8: a Jersey person. You know, I listen, you should not

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Speaker 8: be driving, you know, five or ten miles per hour

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Speaker 8: the speed limit in the left lane, like left left

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Speaker 8: furthest lane. Slow drivers, I you know, they're very frustrating.

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Speaker 8: I would say my biggest frustration is like when you're

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Speaker 8: getting off an exit and there's a backup, when you're

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Speaker 8: getting off on an exit and people cut you, you

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Speaker 8: know where you've waited in traffic to get off an

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Speaker 8: exit and people drive, you know, drive past that congestion

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Speaker 8: and then cross over at the last second and don't

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Speaker 8: sit and wait the ten minutes to get off the exit.

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Speaker 3: Have you been flipped off a lot?

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Speaker 12: Yeah? Yeah, a lot I'm more of But I'm not

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Speaker 12: a flip off person.

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Speaker 8: Well, I think it aggravates people more when you kind

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Speaker 8: of when you give them a thumbs up, like, hey,

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Speaker 8: great job, you're good.

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Speaker 2: Like all right, so you're writing a memoir here and

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Speaker 2: by the way, next Wednesday, October first, you can celebrate

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Speaker 2: the publication of the new book it'll be on campus

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Speaker 2: the Jorgensen Center for Performing Arts. Forty dollars for adults,

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Speaker 2: thirty five for Yukon students. All tickets general admission. What

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Speaker 2: was the biggest challenge of being vulnerable in this book?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I would say, you know, for you know, for me, Dan,

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Speaker 8: it was probably like reliving, like reliving some of the

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Speaker 8: tougher parts of your life. You know, you end up

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Speaker 8: reading the manuscript, you know, eight or nine times, and

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Speaker 8: you make some subtle changes or some bigger changes with

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Speaker 8: wording or what have you.

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Speaker 12: But when you're reading those tough parts of your life, whether.

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Speaker 8: It's you know, just my experience as a player in college,

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Speaker 8: dealing with you know, some severe you know, mental health issues,

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Speaker 8: serious depression, you know, the tough parts of your career,

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Speaker 8: UH and your family life like being you know, being

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Speaker 8: a young husband and a young father and dealing with uh,

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Speaker 8: you know, career adversity and financial struggles. I think, like

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Speaker 8: you know, when you're when you're working on the project

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Speaker 8: and you're like reading those tough parts about your life

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Speaker 8: and rereading them and rereading them and rereading them, you know,

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Speaker 8: it became a little bit uncomfortable. It was almost like

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Speaker 8: I was re experiencing that.

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Speaker 2: Again, your brother's one of the great point guards in

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Speaker 2: college basketball history, but you felt the brunt of that.

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Speaker 3: It felt like because you weren't Bobby Hurley.

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Speaker 2: How do you address that that stress level being mocked

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Speaker 2: and you know how that pactored in with depression.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I think for me, you know that this book

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Speaker 8: was you know, an opportunity, you know, to to reach

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Speaker 8: people that you know suffer. You know, for me, you know,

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Speaker 8: I've had an unhealthy relationship you know, with perfectionism. A

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Speaker 8: lot of you know, I'm obviously I'm filled with insecurity,

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Speaker 8: which is at times really a positive thing you know,

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Speaker 8: to keep you striving, but at times like fear of failure. Insecurity, Uh,

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Speaker 8: an unhealthy relationship with perfectionism. And I think the thing

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Speaker 8: that cost me the most suffering, you know, really throughout

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Speaker 8: my life, my playing career and then when I became

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Speaker 8: a coach, was you know.

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Speaker 12: The comparison trap.

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Speaker 8: You know that that that comparison you know, game that

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Speaker 8: you play with yourself, you know, relative to others is

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Speaker 8: something that uh, you know became tortures for me as

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Speaker 8: a player, you know, with with my brother, and then

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Speaker 8: as a young coach you know with with with my dad.

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Speaker 3: Are you satisfied? Can you be satisfied.

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Speaker 12: Now? Never?

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Speaker 8: Uh?

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Speaker 12: You know, I don't think so.

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Speaker 8: Not not the way I'm wired, I think, you know,

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Speaker 8: for you know, for me, it's uh, it's embedded. You know,

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Speaker 8: the standard, the drive, you know, just the you know,

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Speaker 8: the household you grow up in. You know, your your

814
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Speaker 8: own competitive fire. You know that's a byproduct of where

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Speaker 8: you grow up, how you were raised, Uh, the mentality

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Speaker 8: you've developed, the place that you coach at, Like when

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Speaker 8: you choose to coach at a place like YU, come

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Speaker 8: uh and coach the basketball team here. You know, there's

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Speaker 8: a constant pressure to uh, you know, to deliver you know, externally.

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Speaker 8: But you know when that internal drive, uh, you know

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Speaker 8: begins when I start accepting losing or when I'm not

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Speaker 8: devastated by a season like last year, that then you know,

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Speaker 8: it'll be time for me to get out.

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Speaker 2: How close did you come to leaving college basketball recently?

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Speaker 8: I would say for two or three days, like I was,

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Speaker 8: you know, I had pretty extensive conversations you know with

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Speaker 8: my guy Jordan Bison, you know, over at Fox for

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Speaker 8: a couple of days, and yeah, I mean it was

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Speaker 8: it was. It was like the perfect storm of things,

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Speaker 8: you know, the sport itself, not not having any idea

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Speaker 8: what the rules of your game are going to be,

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Speaker 8: you know, relative to you know what we're hearing rumors

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Speaker 8: that there's going to be potentially a fifty year for players.

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Speaker 8: You know, so you've got you know, ni l where

835
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Speaker 8: you have no idea what the market is right now

836
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Speaker 8: you have this or the player is going to now

837
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Speaker 8: be getting five years, you know, potentially five years to

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Speaker 8: play five you know, there's been no restrictions relative to

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Speaker 8: the portal. It's still free agency at the end of

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Speaker 8: every year. And then you put on top of that,

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Speaker 8: for me, you know, you go back to back, those

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Speaker 8: seasons are longer, so there's a little bit of a

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Speaker 8: you know, success fatigue, you know, the Lakers things happens,

844
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Speaker 8: so your ego is at an all time high. Then

845
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Speaker 8: you have a horrible season, and then you take the

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Speaker 8: criticism throughout the year that you know, and and and

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Speaker 8: a lot of times it's it's justified. And so it's

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Speaker 8: like the perfect start with stuff.

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Speaker 2: You Stan Hurley the book is Never Stop Life Leadership

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Speaker 2: and what it takes to be Great, and he co

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Speaker 2: wrote this with great writer Io O'Connor.

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Speaker 3: Do you have imposter syndrome?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean imposter syndrome insecurity? Absolutely, insecurity.

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Speaker 8: You know, there's definitely a feeling that's been pretty embedded

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Speaker 8: in me, you know that that I'm never.

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Speaker 12: Quite good enough. But it's not just relative to basketball.

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Speaker 8: You know, I also feel that way, you know, as

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Speaker 8: as a husband that's a father in other aspects.

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Speaker 12: Of my life.

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Speaker 8: You know, I just have this, you know, mindset where

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Speaker 8: I feel like like I can always I can always

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Speaker 8: do more, I can always be better.

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Speaker 12: And one of the first things that coach Calhoun told

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Speaker 12: me when.

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Speaker 8: I got the job here, you know, besides get your

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Speaker 8: ass and gear, uh, I get this program fixed, was like,

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Speaker 8: you know, the best coaches have a have a have

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Speaker 8: a level of insecurity about them. That's a that's a

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Speaker 8: real driver to continue to get better and and always

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Speaker 8: be prepared.

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Speaker 2: What's the difference between coaching intent or coaching angry?

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Speaker 7: Well, I think I.

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Speaker 8: Coached intents and in twenty twenty four and I coached

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Speaker 8: angry you know what, you know, like it's for me,

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Speaker 8: I think in my life I've.

876
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 12: Done probably.

877
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 8: You know, and you know two, two or three things

878
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 8: could be true about any any any one thing. But

879
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 8: I would say for me, I got really I got

880
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 8: really good at handling you know, failure or struggle in

881
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 8: my in my career and in my life in basketball.

882
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,439
Speaker 8: And I would say that what I've reflected a lot

883
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 8: during the course of the season and the off season

884
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 8: was just how I handled the success and how I

885
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 8: didn't have the season as a coach in twenty five,

886
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 8: you know, And I think that, you know, I'll be

887
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 8: a much better coach in twenty six because I don't. Yeah,

888
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 8: I don't think I handled the success, you know, and

889
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 8: where we were as a program very well last season.

890
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: How dark did the days get for you, whether it's

891
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 2: when you were playing, when you left.

892
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 8: Playing, Yeah, you know, dark to the point where you

893
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 8: know you give serious consideration, you know, to doing something

894
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 8: to harm yourself, you know, potentially do something to you know,

895
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 8: to end things, to take your life. Just feeling like

896
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 8: you know, back then it was not there was a

897
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 8: stigma around around mental health and being vulnerable and opening up,

898
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 8: especially for men, especially for men with other men about

899
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 8: your feelings. So with your fathers, with your coaches back then,

900
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 8: you know, you didn't feel like there was anyone that

901
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 8: you could talk to about how you're feeling, your struggles

902
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 8: or your difficulties you're suffering. And you know, for me,

903
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 8: it was you know, getting into therapy, meeting Sister Catherine

904
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 8: Waters at seat in the hall, you know, really changed

905
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 8: my life.

906
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 3: Are you built for this?

907
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 12: For going on the show? I'm definitely built for I've

908
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 12: watched you.

909
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 3: For coaching ten more years? Dan?

910
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 7: Are you?

911
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 3: Are you built for ten more years?

912
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 8: I don't know about ten I don't really know. I

913
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 8: think that sometimes I'll say I'm going to coach for

914
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 8: I'm sixty or you know, I'm gonna I'm going to coach,

915
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 8: you know, just my fifty ninth year. I mean, I

916
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 8: would like to enjoy, you know, a part of my

917
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 8: life where I have some vitality, some health because.

918
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 12: I love my wife.

919
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 8: I want to and I want my wife and my

920
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 8: family to experience life outside of basketball, where you could

921
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 8: travel and and be more of a civilian, be live,

922
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 8: live a more normal life, have a normal Christmas holiday

923
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 8: in the new year. So I'm like, i feel like

924
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,919
Speaker 8: I'm always playing on New Year's or New Year's Eve,

925
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 8: and I feel like my I was gonna pit my

926
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 8: stomach on Christmas Eve or what have you. But then

927
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 8: the other aspect of it for me is like when

928
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 8: you're in a sports world, whether you're a player or

929
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 8: you're a coach, and you're making the type of money

930
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 8: that we're making, you know, I just feel like you

931
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 8: have an obligation to literally push yourself to the point

932
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 8: of burnout for the seven or eight million dollars a

933
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 8: year that they pay me to coach Yukon. I should

934
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 8: work myself close to death for that to make that

935
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 8: type of living to be a basketball coach. If you're

936
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 8: an NBA player or an NFL player making twenty thirty

937
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 8: forty million dollars a year, you should last thing you

938
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 8: should be thinking about as longevity. What you should be

939
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 8: thinking about it for me, for the way I look

940
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 8: at it is pushing yourself to the absolute max until

941
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 8: burnout hits and then you obviously at that point then

942
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 8: you could retire. You know, I grew up you know

943
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 8: the coaches like Dick for Meal, you know, were the

944
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 8: coaches that that I idolized.

945
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you gotta have quality and that has to

946
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 3: be balanced.

947
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 12: I've got that ahead of me.

948
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 3: You know, No, No, you need it, you need trust me.

949
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 2: I did not have balance when I did Sports Center,

950
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 2: and it was less stressful by far than what you're

951
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 2: going through. And until I found some kind of Allen's

952
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 2: I didn't enjoy it. And I don't know if you

953
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 2: enjoy those two championships as much as you probably should have,

954
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 2: you know, the highest of highs. You're probably you know,

955
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 2: fixated on what happened last season, and and.

956
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 3: You know that's you gotta have balance, man, you gotta it's.

957
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 12: Listen, you enjoy I mean the the like when you

958
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 12: realize you've won the championship.

959
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 8: There there's an uh, there's an an elation and an

960
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 8: indescribable feeling of joy and love. You know that that

961
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 8: reaches you, like the deepest parts of your soul. And

962
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 8: this this this incredible realization of this of climbing Mount

963
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 8: Everest and being at the top, it does it dissipates

964
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 8: so quickly. Yeah, but you know the end, I think

965
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 8: with just a way that I'm wired, and I think

966
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 8: a lot of I think you know a lot of

967
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 8: the best coaches and the people like my dad that

968
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 8: I've modeled. It's like the season feels a lot like

969
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 8: suffering and relief. Suffering and relief suffering and relief and

970
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 8: then it either ends in elation or or it ends

971
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 8: the way it ended for me in Florida versus Florida.

972
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 8: And then there's the tunnel and there's the sore loser Dan.

973
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think back on that at all?

974
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 12: What you know?

975
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 3: Sore loser? Dan?

976
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 12: I do?

977
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 3: I know you dress it, but you know where did

978
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 3: that come from? Where?

979
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 7: You know?

980
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 3: Well, maybe it's just the competitor in you?

981
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 12: It is.

982
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 8: And I think again, like you know, think a couple

983
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 8: of days could be true. I got to get better

984
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 8: that way. Yeah, Like that's something that trusts me when

985
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 8: it's over, you know, and you know I lacked that

986
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 8: that that that self control and and awareness to be

987
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 8: able to just walk away, you know, Like yeah, I

988
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 8: mean that's disappointing. You know, I end up, you know,

989
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 8: tarnishing my reputation and you know, like you know, it's

990
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 8: embarrassing and it's it's not a positive thing, but it's

991
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 8: also too a lot of you know, my superpower that

992
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 8: I bring to your organization is this relentless.

993
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 12: Competitive drive that that my teams embody.

994
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 9: Uh.

995
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 8: And I do think in sports you do need more

996
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 8: more of the characters that go I think kind of

997
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 8: life or death urgency with with winning and losing.

998
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 12: I think is what makes sports great.

999
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 8: So I think you you know, not having characters that

1000
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 8: that look at games that you know, I don't look

1001
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 8: at it like a game.

1002
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 12: I look at it like a battle, a fight. It's

1003
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 12: not a game for me.

1004
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 3: Your voice sounds like it's in mid season form?

1005
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 12: Does it?

1006
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 3: Does it ever sound good?

1007
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 12: I mean, yes, that it was day one and uh,

1008
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 12: you know, and and I'm ready to go. And this

1009
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 12: is winter Dan.

1010
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 8: I think summer Dan, you know, is late, a little

1011
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 8: more laid back, uh, you know, but this is the

1012
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 8: time of year where we all turn it up. I'm

1013
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 8: excited about this team. I think that this team, you know,

1014
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 8: you don't go into the year like last year. I

1015
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 8: think you have enough time with your team in the

1016
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 8: summer and in the preseason where I think going into

1017
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 8: last year there was a feeling amongst the staff that

1018
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 8: maybe we didn't have enough relative to what we put together, uh,

1019
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 8: to be able to go for the three p That

1020
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 8: will not be this team story. This team has enough

1021
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 8: if we give absolutely everything and if our pursuit is honorable,

1022
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 8: if it's an honorable pursuit of championships with the way

1023
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 8: that we approach things, uh that this team will have

1024
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 8: a chance to compete for all the championships.

1025
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 2: I hope the book is cathartic for you because you

1026
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,879
Speaker 2: you're visiting a lot of different places. Hopefully you don't

1027
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 2: have to revisit them anymore. But you know, when you

1028
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 2: write a memoir, you've got to dig deep down, and

1029
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 2: you certainly did in this book with the help of Ian.

1030
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think Dan for me when I when I

1031
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,280
Speaker 8: read it, you know, I always walked away from it saying,

1032
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 8: you know, like you know, your your life is kind

1033
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 8: of it's it's a little bit like a movie. You know,

1034
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 8: like you're you know, you've got this kind of a

1035
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 8: little bit not that I'm a hero, but you got

1036
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 8: this kind of a little bit of a hero's journey,

1037
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 8: and it's got all the elements of of you know,

1038
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 8: you know, your struggles becoming you know, your strength and

1039
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 8: the end and just it's a real human story of

1040
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 8: like you know, personal struggle, family struggle, career struggle. You know,

1041
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,359
Speaker 8: you've got this coach, you know, with dragon underwear laying

1042
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 8: under his dad before games because of his anxiety.

1043
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 12: You know, I don't know who would play me?

1044
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 8: I guess I've been told like maybe a Billy Bob

1045
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 8: Thornton because of the cursing, But I don't know who

1046
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 8: would play me.

1047
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 3: We can work on that.

1048
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 2: Hopefully it's a happy ending when that movie comes out,

1049
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 2: a happy ending. Great to talk to you again, Thanks,

1050
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 2: thanks for sharing. Thanks, that's Dan Hurley. The book is

1051
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 2: called Never Stop Life Leadership and What it Takes to

1052
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 2: Be Great.