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Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory. Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. Patrick, the Cubs

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Speaker 1: took two of three from the Dodgers in La. If

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Speaker 1: that was the only news of the weekend, it'd be

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Speaker 1: a great weekend.

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Speaker 2: But news broke.

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Speaker 1: We kind of felt nothing like there wasn't gonna be

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Speaker 1: good news after what we heard on Friday and Sunday

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Speaker 1: confirmed that Justin Steele is out for the season. Why

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Speaker 1: you're out there, why don't you share the details about

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Speaker 1: what Craig Council shared with you guys, any other information

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Speaker 1: you may have gathered, and where the Cubs are going

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Speaker 1: from here?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Justin Steele will be out for the season. His

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Speaker 3: current timeline is a bit unclear. They will have a

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Speaker 3: better sense after Friday surgery. This procedure, Council said, right

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Speaker 3: trying to how to phrase this. Council was a little

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Speaker 3: bit unclear on whether this is technically a second Tommy

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Speaker 3: John surgery. I think there is kind of Once they

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Speaker 3: kind of get in there, they'll be can make a

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Speaker 3: better determination. But clearly a major surgery career altering for Steel,

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Speaker 3: just because He's someone who's in his prime right now,

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Speaker 3: not career ending by any means, with the way that

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Speaker 3: technology and our understanding of pitching has evolved over the years,

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Speaker 3: but really just a tough blow for him and the

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Speaker 3: team as well. And I think in terms of a

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Speaker 3: timeline because you were there, what was it last Wednesday

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Speaker 3: at Wrigley Field, and it was hey, minimum stay you know, like,

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Speaker 3: you know this happened last year. Well Comes pitching coach

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Speaker 3: Tommy Hottevey indicated that the MRI showed changes from last

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Speaker 3: year and that was something that they did not know

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Speaker 3: at Wrigley Field at the time. And so essentially what

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Speaker 3: hot Tovey said is, you know, when you when a

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Speaker 3: player has a Tommy John already in his medical file

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Speaker 3: and has had elbow forearm issues throughout the years, you

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Speaker 3: go back to twenty twenty three last September, and even

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Speaker 3: though those were not you know, did not rise to

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Speaker 3: the level of this, it was just what council called

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Speaker 3: the deteriorating situation. And so in the player's mind, you

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Speaker 3: kind of know this is going to happen, that at

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Speaker 3: some point the left elbow is just going to break

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Speaker 3: down and then just becomes kind of a matter of when,

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Speaker 3: not if, And this, for Steel gives him a little

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Speaker 3: and that it had just become something that had to

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was talking to some some people around the game

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Speaker 1: and they they kind of feel like, you know, you

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Speaker 1: get to six seven years after a Tommy John and

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Speaker 1: and you're you're kind of racing against time anyways, like this,

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Speaker 1: like this isn't like Tommy John. Surgery is not like

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Speaker 1: a permanent fix. Like the more information we have, the

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Speaker 1: more we're learning that you have a Tommy John, you

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Speaker 1: have a certain amount of time that you could use

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Speaker 1: that ligament or whatever however you want to describe it,

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Speaker 1: it's you know it it isn't a permanent fix. It

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Speaker 1: is it's a great you know, great bit of medical

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Speaker 1: technology or advancement. Uh as far as uh long elongating

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Speaker 1: pitchers careers, right like this was this ended careers. This

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Speaker 1: type of injury ended careers forty years ago. It's completely

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Speaker 1: changed the way we look at baseball. But it's not permanent.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of it sucks for Justin Steele,

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Speaker 1: Like I really feel like, you know, he had settled

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Speaker 2: That justin Steel.

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Speaker 4: We all know.

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Speaker 2: So it's a it's a bummer.

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Speaker 1: It's a you know, for him, for the team you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: like it sucks for him financially, like he was about

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Speaker 1: to you know, like whether it was an extension with

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Speaker 1: the Cubs what he's he was multiple years away from

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Speaker 1: free agency. That's the thing, so maybe so he can

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Speaker 1: rebuild his value, that's the one You get this done

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Speaker 1: like get this done now, go back out there, prove

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Speaker 1: you're healthy once again. It's almost like, you know, like

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Speaker 1: like any like any other startup we've seeing this. You

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Speaker 1: It's much better than hitting free agency right before right

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Speaker 1: as this is happening, right, So it's.

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Speaker 2: Not ideal, not good for him.

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Speaker 1: I'm just you know, I'm just talking about like you

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Speaker 3: And also like if say they did sort of a rest, recovery, treatment,

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Speaker 3: strengthening plan to get him back out on the mound

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Speaker 3: at some point the season, what if that doesn't work,

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Speaker 3: and then you're talking about essentially missing two whole seasons

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Speaker 3: brunt of that force more on their shoulder, and others,

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Speaker 3: like Steel, feel it more in the elbow and that's

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Speaker 3: where it accumulates, that's where the flare ups happen. And

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Speaker 3: for Steel, that was just his That's just the way

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Speaker 3: his throwing motion went over and over and over the years.

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Speaker 3: And I think one of the kind of lasting image

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Speaker 3: he's a very progressive pitching coach. And as he met

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Speaker 3: leads to the tunnel. I mean, he became emotional talking

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Speaker 3: just because of the relationship he's built with him over

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Speaker 3: the years, and he's overseen every stage of his development

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Speaker 3: at the major league level. That's a lot of time

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Speaker 3: kind of monitoring his programs and coming up with a

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Speaker 3: how to be to see a guy grow from this,

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Speaker 3: had to have known, you know, something like this was

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Speaker 3: going to happen because all pictures get injured at some point,

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Speaker 3: the more he talked about it, he became very emotional,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, But I

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Speaker 1: feel like the Cubs haven't had like a major Tommy John,

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Speaker 1: type situation for one of their starters in a little while,

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Speaker 3: A tad as a reliever.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, right right, like a starter just hasn't had

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Speaker 1: like a key guy undergoing major surgery. I have a

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Speaker 1: one thing I wanted to clarify, and then and then

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Speaker 1: Patrick, you said, the timeline is unclear, and that's because

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Speaker 1: we don't know exactly what the what the procedure will

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Speaker 1: be right.

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Speaker 2: It could be Tommy John.

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Speaker 1: It could be like the bracing of the ligament or

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Speaker 1: whatever they talk about, or maybe something completely different that

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Speaker 1: I'm unaware. That's what I gathered from reading all the

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Speaker 1: different articles from all the different reporters you and everyone

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Speaker 1: something from your understanding that we won't know until they

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Speaker 2: Or is was that clarified?

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Speaker 3: You know, that's kind of what council indicated that it

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Speaker 3: Like when you're reading those MRIs, there can be some

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Speaker 3: my biggest takeaway. It was just like, you know, this

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Speaker 3: and that will happen uh Friday. And then you know,

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Speaker 3: the Cubs, like most teams, are always sort of guarded

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Speaker 3: I'm not trying to pretend to be a doctor, but

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Speaker 3: you know, clearly this is something that's gonna sideline Justin

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Speaker 3: was very optimistic that, you know, saying that he believes

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Speaker 3: And I think you've seen you know, I mean jameson Tyne,

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Speaker 3: I believe he has had two Tommy John surgeries.

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Speaker 1: to go by, right, Like THEO kind of had that

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Speaker 1: mentality of like, they've done enough, they've shown me, I

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Speaker 2: I have to improve the roster.

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Speaker 1: I have to go get reinforcements because this team has

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Speaker 1: gone out and proven it.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they continue to win, they continue to play well.

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Speaker 1: Jed Hoyer has a similar mentality where he's gonna want

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Speaker 1: to go be aggressive. He looks at these deadlines as

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Speaker 1: an opportunity anyways, right, either sell or buy, Like you

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Speaker 1: got to make moves. He doesn't like to sit still.

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Speaker 1: He likes deadlines. So I expect it moves.

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Speaker 2: To be made. And the way they're looking right now,

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Speaker 2: it's going to be aggressive buying. Right.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see what it is, what the needs are.

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Speaker 1: You don't know exactly how it plays out, but right now,

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Speaker 1: obviously bullpen and starting pitchers would be the primary focus

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Speaker 1: and there's going to be there going to be arms

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Speaker 1: available of all sorts. We'll see what the Cubs come

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Speaker 1: away with. That's months from now. Right now, they just

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Speaker 1: need to get through April. Like you said, three more

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Speaker 1: against the Padres. Dylan Cees Monday Night. Will will likely

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Speaker 1: be talking soon again after, either during the middle of

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Speaker 1: this Padre series or soon after we'll come at you

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