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Speaker 1: dot com. I'm Mike Keith. So glad to have you

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Speaker 1: with us on this holiday, and so glad to share

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Speaker 1: a really great conversation with Titan's great Blaine Bishop. We

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Speaker 1: had an opportunity to do a follow me through Tennessee

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Speaker 1: episode where Blaine and I drove to Gallaton and visited

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Speaker 1: Swaeney Swift's on the Square. Now, if you haven't been there,

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Speaker 1: you need to go. The burgers are fantastic, the desserts

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Speaker 1: are outstanding. I recommend the Cookie Monster. Maybe even for

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Speaker 1: dinner alone, just have the Cookie Monster. Anyway, we had

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Speaker 1: a chance to talk in my Nissan truck on the

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Speaker 1: way to Gallaton. Great conversation with number twenty three himself,

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Speaker 1: and so here is our OTP with Blaine Bishop.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's talk Blaine Bishop. Let's talk football.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I found most interesting about your career several

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Speaker 1: years ago that I didn't know. So I'm at a

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Speaker 1: University of North Carolina football game and I meet two

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Speaker 1: of your teammates from Ball State.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately I can't remember their names, but they told me.

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Speaker 1: They said, you know, Blaine did not start his career

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Speaker 1: at Ball State. So you come out of Cathedral High

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Speaker 1: School in Indianapolis. Where was it you started your college career?

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Speaker 3: Well, actually that that school is closed now okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I went to a Catholic high school.

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Speaker 4: Naturally, as you mentioned Cathedral, and me and a couple

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Speaker 4: other guys it's who felt like who weren't getting recruited.

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Speaker 3: We're all good students. I was nasally captain of the team.

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Speaker 3: And uh so we decided to go to Saint Joseph's

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Speaker 3: College in Rinsel, Indiana.

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Speaker 1: Now I know Rent clear because that is three exits

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Speaker 1: down from where my.

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Speaker 2: Wife is from. She's from Crown Point.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, we're Crown Point. I always had a

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Speaker 4: great women's basketball program, still do. Uh huh and uh.

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Speaker 4: And to be honest, I hadn't even uh heard.

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Speaker 3: Of Rent Cleer until we started doing research because I

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Speaker 3: was getting recruited by a lot of Division two, Division three.

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Speaker 3: Uh just walking on eggs, you know, uh, de Paul, Yeah, DePaul,

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Speaker 3: I mean I had all these kind of offers like that, yes, uh,

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Speaker 3: and local schools there, Butler was one of the final ones,

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Speaker 3: you know that I was considering, and uh so, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I went to Saint Joe's. I went there, and uh

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Speaker 3: it all kind of worked out because you know that

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Speaker 3: that really hurt that I wasn't a Vision one player.

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Speaker 3: I thought I was capable and not a high profile.

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Speaker 3: My dream was to go to Notre Dame. You go

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Speaker 3: to Cathedral fighting Irish, you want to go to Notre Dame.

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Speaker 3: A lot of students went there, maybe maybe not players,

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Speaker 3: So I went to Saint Joseph's and I'm you know,

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Speaker 3: I was, you know, excited about the opportunity. Uh I

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Speaker 4: That was appealing to me.

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Speaker 3: Uh And it was an up and coming, you know,

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Speaker 3: Uh but they had some good players. So uh yeah,

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Speaker 3: I decided to go to Saint Joseph's College in Rental

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Speaker 3: there in Vienna, Yeah, yeah, oh it was it was freezing.

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Speaker 4: You get to touch a you know, Chicago.

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Speaker 3: Little bit of weather there as well, so it it's

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Speaker 3: kind of interesting some of the guys that get man.

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Speaker 4: I just talked to him, uh about a month ago.

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Speaker 4: He's at peace. Uh, Coach Bates.

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Speaker 3: Coach Bates was the defensive coordinator there at Saint Joseph's College.

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Speaker 4: Guess where he's at now. It's a defense coordinator. He's

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Speaker 4: been there for a whileton no idea University of Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 4: No kidd, Yes, he was my DC.

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Speaker 2: Huh so he could, which is for Pat Darnut. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Pat ar doozy, dude ardoozy. Yep.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I made him down and they were in Georgia,

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Speaker 3: one time during the campdown years ago. But yeah, so

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Speaker 2: So how do you what did you play at Saint

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Speaker 4: So and we had a three headed monster. You know,

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Speaker 4: So I played even the back when I first got there.

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Speaker 3: So there came a time when it was Week four

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Speaker 3: So they said, hey, Blaine, we're gonna have you teach

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Speaker 4: I think I returned a punt for a touchdown.

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Speaker 4: So after that, you know, I didn't think nothing of it.

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Speaker 3: And I looked at them and thought they were made

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Speaker 2: So how do you get from there to Ball State?

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Speaker 4: Well, that that's that's exactly what happened. So I went

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Speaker 3: I asked them, was out Division one football player now?

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Speaker 4: He said absolutely? You know, I didn't. I wanted to

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Speaker 3: And actually it probably was great because I was working hard,

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Speaker 4: I could practice and they could use it as a

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Speaker 3: They had looked at me in the year I came

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Speaker 2: So, did you know that you were going to be

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 2: When did that? When did you find out that's what

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 3: Well, when I got there, I was still a cornerback

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Speaker 4: I was doing really good because I had great lateral

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I had no choice, I really didn't.

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Speaker 3: He was fast for a big human being. Uh So

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00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,639
Speaker 3: that was it was a veteran team. Uh and uh

445
00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:58,840
Speaker 3: with a lot of experience. That was the year coming.

446
00:19:59,160 --> 00:19:59,919
Speaker 4: My rookie year came.

447
00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:01,960
Speaker 3: If for them lose, you know, I don't want to

448
00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:03,760
Speaker 3: say thirty points they were winning by and they.

449
00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,480
Speaker 4: Lost the game in the Bills owns, Yeah, something like that.

450
00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:11,680
Speaker 3: So you know, going into training camp, you know, the

451
00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,359
Speaker 3: late great you know Mster Adams said that this is

452
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,440
Speaker 3: if we don't go to Souper Bowl, this team will

453
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:17,080
Speaker 3: be dismantled.

454
00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:21,240
Speaker 4: Yes, So you know, I was rookie, so I'm I'm baffled, like, oh,

455
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,359
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get cut. So I didn't know what was

456
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,480
Speaker 4: going on. I had no idea. You know, I'm in Indiana.

457
00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,080
Speaker 4: I watched the owners, but I didn't know where they

458
00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,280
Speaker 4: were and what happened the year before. I mean, I

459
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:34,359
Speaker 4: watched it in college.

460
00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,440
Speaker 3: I was a senior, and I remember I turned the

461
00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,760
Speaker 3: game and I turned it to I remember the Cowboys game,

462
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,399
Speaker 3: and I don't remember who the Cowboys playing, because a

463
00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,200
Speaker 3: more competitive game. And then when I turned it back,

464
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 3: it was fourth quarter and I saw.

465
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:46,159
Speaker 4: That they were losing.

466
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:52,280
Speaker 1: So it's funny because so I worked Sundays and I

467
00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 1: got off work and came home and that game was

468
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,080
Speaker 1: on and I turned it off at twenty eight to

469
00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,639
Speaker 1: three and took a nap, uh huh and turned it

470
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,800
Speaker 1: back on and it was, you know, thirty eight thirty eight,

471
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,359
Speaker 1: and it's like, what happened? Yeah, it's crazy.

472
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,119
Speaker 4: It was so going into my rookie year. That was

473
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 4: the follow you know, I followed that up.

474
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 2: So it was they fired Jim Eddy and they hired

475
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 2: Buddy Ryan to be the defensive courdner.

476
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 4: Yes, that is the history there.

477
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,160
Speaker 3: So you know, my first go around with Buck around,

478
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 3: I was nervous, scared everything involved in that because he

479
00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:26,920
Speaker 3: was intimidating.

480
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 4: Uh. And it was some adjustment there with some of

481
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:33,200
Speaker 4: the veteran players, uh, you know with this approach. So

482
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:35,399
Speaker 4: I was sitting in the back and just pray that

483
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:36,840
Speaker 4: he would never say my number.

484
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 2: So he just called you twenty three.

485
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody though it wasn't just me, it was everybody.

486
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he put the pointer. He had this that,

487
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,639
Speaker 3: you know, the laser porner, the red laser corner, and

488
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 3: I'm just like, oh, please do not point that thing

489
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 3: at me.

490
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 2: And you started that.

491
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, I eventually got to that.

492
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,120
Speaker 3: Man as a starter, and uh, I think that kind

493
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 3: of I had a really good game there and on

494
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,399
Speaker 3: Christmas Day as a as a starter at safety, and

495
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,399
Speaker 3: uh played a lot up to that point, but then

496
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 3: eventually I started and uh at the side, I was

497
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 3: pulling on Steve Young and I kind of set the

498
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 3: tone for my career.

499
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 4: But uh, yeah, that that was uh I. I I

500
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,119
Speaker 4: wouldn't ever imagined that I'd been playing safety and uh,

501
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 4: in that defense and having a success.

502
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 3: But uh, everyone's credit involved that where it was a

503
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 3: scouting department, to coaching staff, buddy round and everything else.

504
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 4: It fit every elite skill set that I.

505
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 3: Had had to learn, you know, how to read defenses,

506
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,640
Speaker 3: I mean the offensive lineman, and and how to fit.

507
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 3: And then I was always strong, so I had you know,

508
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,919
Speaker 3: I was squatting me, you know, four hundred some pounds

509
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 3: in in college, so I was he He taught me

510
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 3: how to use my power and even going against the

511
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 3: guys that were bigger than me in six y five

512
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 3: three hundred, and how to come with all these different moves.

513
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 1: Uh.

514
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 4: Coach Bettis Uh was my dB coach, and he was

515
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,440
Speaker 4: an old gentleman and taught me a lot of different things,

516
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 4: how to not take the brunt up blows when I

517
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 4: had to be inside the box.

518
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 2: When did you become known as the hit man?

519
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 4: Well? I started that my senior year at college. Really, yes,

520
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 4: And so I had to let him in jack with

521
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 4: hit man on there and threat to hit man heard.

522
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 2: Uh, No it was not.

523
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 4: But I was a big wrestling fan. Oh God, all right,

524
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 4: So no, someone on the team, I can't remember. I

525
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 4: think it was.

526
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 3: Henry Hall, my teammate, and it's an executive now went

527
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 3: his own company. He Uh, he's the one to start

528
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 3: calling me hit man. I guess I was aggressive for

529
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 3: a corner.

530
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 4: Uh. And they had never seen anything like that.

531
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 3: And it was really just a habit of that that

532
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:47,479
Speaker 3: really created the Hitman, the chip on the shoulder, all

533
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 3: those things of maduration of my journey, my journey to

534
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 3: to where I was then and it kind of just

535
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 3: evolved and snowballed. But I had to let him in Jackie.

536
00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 3: You know, they gave a Levern jack and I put

537
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 3: hit Man on the back my senioryear, I had it

538
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 3: on there and it kind of started it and I started,

539
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 3: you know, really buying into it.

540
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 4: That's so that's where it all started.

541
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: So your whole thing, though, I mean, you think about

542
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 1: undersized high school, not recruited, end up at Saint Joseph's,

543
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 1: walk on at Ball State, have to sit a year,

544
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 1: you play all these different positions. When it is said

545
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: things happen for a reason, that that's one hundred percent right,

546
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 1: because there is seemingly no way that you have the

547
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 1: career that you ended up having if you don't go

548
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: through all those various experiences, the slights which provided the motivation,

549
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: but also the understanding of different positions being coached by

550
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: different people in different ways. Really quite an amazing journey

551
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: that is not typical of the five star safety who

552
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 1: gets recruited place three years and then is the eighth

553
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 1: pick in the draft and he's six three two ten

554
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: and runs four four and completely different.

555
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you're right.

556
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 3: I don't know if I even would have turned into

557
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 3: that player if I hadn't gone through the you know,

558
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 3: not understanding that at the time.

559
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 2: Oh, sure, for sure.

560
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 4: But man, I thought my journey I was well prepared

561
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 4: for when.

562
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 3: I got the opportunity, uh to, and I was just

563
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 3: as surprised as everyone else. But as things kept going along,

564
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 3: you know, even Rick Minder once he left me my

565
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 3: senior year and was at Notre Dame and he's coaching

566
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 3: the you know, Notre Dame. He said, hey, man, he

567
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 3: calls me after the season says, we have his kids

568
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 3: going first round, that's what they're saying.

569
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 4: And so he is, and he said he's athletic. And

570
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 4: it was Tom Carter.

571
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tom Carter, I remember him well.

572
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:46,120
Speaker 3: Then went to the Bengals, right, yes, and so he says,

573
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,360
Speaker 3: I think you're just as good as this kid better.

574
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so well, I'd end up being a safety.

575
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 3: But he said, you know, he may be a little

576
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 3: looser in his hibs or maybe a tag faster. We

577
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 3: you know, we said, but I want you to come

578
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 3: down and work out with him. So I came down

579
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 3: and working at that kind of start viewing the confidence

580
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 3: level that I could compete, you know, because back then

581
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 3: all games were just on TV, so we were just

582
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,719
Speaker 3: watching games on TV. So you know, I'm looking up

583
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 3: to you know, whether it was guys in Notre Dame, Michigan,

584
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 3: Ohio State, or Tennessee or all the SEC schools. You

585
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 3: just watching the team and said, man, dang, I don't

586
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 3: know if I could really compete on the same field

587
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 3: with them. So that kind of built with me playing

588
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 3: in the Blue Gray and that's you know, that's where

589
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 3: me Trent Green who went to IU, which we played

590
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 3: against them, but then you know, developing a relationship with

591
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 3: these guys and then I'm out there performing against these

592
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 3: guys that went to Oklahoma and the Blue Gray or

593
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 3: anybody you know, and it's just start saying, oh, man,

594
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 3: I'm just as good, but as I said, I was

595
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 3: a realist about who I was. If somebody was better,

596
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 3: if it was a time like I don't know, we

597
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 3: about to say. So that happened and the Singer Bowl

598
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 3: was just off the charts. I mean that that really

599
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 3: really put me in a mind frame. And that was

600
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 3: when Alabama won the national title and all their players

601
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 3: were in this game and in practice every day, and

602
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 3: we're doing.

603
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 2: National championships and they had some serious dbs. George t huh.

604
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where I'm in George Tea, uh huh. And

605
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 3: develop a relationship with him. He could play, yeah, yeah.

606
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 3: He was the first end up being a first round

607
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 3: picked by Green Bay, right the last pick or the

608
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 3: second round. So so, and he he was he was

609
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 3: what you know, he was built up to be. But

610
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 3: he ended up playing like so just like he did so.

611
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 3: He he would only practice, wanted to practice. So I

612
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 3: was doing extra duty, so because I was on the

613
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 3: same side as him as far as uh dvs.

614
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 4: And so I put into work. And you're going against Quadrius.

615
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: Smith, oh and the missile right, the missile so and

616
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 2: all these.

617
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 3: Different guys, and the missile had me run into the

618
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 3: gold post. I was running so fast. I couldn't stop.

619
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 3: Probably the fastest I ever rand him alife. But so

620
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 3: those things all happened, and it built really confidence in

621
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 3: what I could do. And then going to the combine

622
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 3: seeing how I matched up there, and I may have

623
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 3: been where they saw, well, this guy is a really

624
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 3: good football player, but it's not quite as fast as

625
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 3: he needs to because I only run like a four fight.

626
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 3: I had never ran a four or five. I always

627
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 3: ran a four to four something. But at the combine,

628
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 3: I ran for something, you know, four or five, four

629
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 3: or something, and I was perturbed.

630
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 4: I was like, Oh, that's it's that did it for me.

631
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna get drafted higher.

632
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 3: You know that I thought because I was a middle

633
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 3: round guy at that time. That's what they were saying.

634
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 2: And you went and around that no longer exists.

635
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 4: But the pick does fourteen? Same pick as Courtland? Yeah?

636
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 3: Yeah?

637
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 2: Do you do you keep up with who number two

638
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 2: fourteen is every year in the draft?

639
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: Now?

640
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 2: Do you always look to see who it is?

641
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:36,199
Speaker 4: Absolutely?

642
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:36,959
Speaker 1: Well?

643
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 3: I always look and at to see just to see

644
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 3: who's still around, whether it's two thirty, two fourteen, just

645
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 3: because there's really good players to get drafted and it's

646
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 3: really hard to get drafted so many really good players.

647
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 4: Uh so, yeah, I kind of always watching pay attention.

648
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 4: That is my dream is to I have one dream left.

649
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 3: I've kind of lived a dream of dreams in my

650
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 3: life being a broadcaster, cause that's what I wanted to be.

651
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,959
Speaker 3: Meeting Brian Gumble growing up, and he was a keynote

652
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 3: speaker at this when I got this award for Youth

653
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 3: of the Year for the Boys and Girls Club. Yeah,

654
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 3: so I met him and kind of started the pendulum.

655
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 3: And that's why Bass State. I was part of the

656
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 3: David let him in building. Yeah, all those things and communication.

657
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 3: So I won't I didn't know I was gonna make

658
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 3: pro I wasn't that guy like that. I thought, oh man,

659
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 3: Finally I thought, oh man, I got a shot. But

660
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 3: I didn't know I was gonna make it. Like there

661
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 3: was a part of me like, hey, I'm gonna give

662
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 3: it all I got and if I don't make it, I'm.

663
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 2: Cool with that. I really was.

664
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Speaker 4: And I had the job at State Farm coming out

665
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 4: of college. State Farm in Richmond, Indiana, So.

666
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 2: You you were gonna be Jake bringing the khakis. So

667
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: it was a heck of a week.

668
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,479
Speaker 1: From State Farm. You would have blamed from State Far.

669
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would have been blamed you

670
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: been blamed.

671
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: From State Farm.

672
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: I don't know.

673
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 4: Man.

674
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: So it was it was a wow, what a heck

675
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: of a it's been a ride, and then you get

676
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: the whole thing happened. So you're so you become a

677
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: staple of the Houston oilers, and then you're a staple

678
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: of the Tennessee oilers, and then you're a staple of

679
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans. You're one of only twenty who can

680
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: say that you were all three of us, twenty guys

681
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: who could say I was a Houston oiler, I was

682
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: a Tennessee oiler, and I was a Tennessee type.

683
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 4: Day right, Okay, So who are the names?

684
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 2: I Oh, I mean, right now, I know Eddie, Steve Brad.

685
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's but then there's some guys too

686
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: that I would be kind of Jason Layman. Oh, I

687
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: would have never guessed that Jason Layman was one who

688
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: was he was a Houston oiler, he was a Tennessee oiler,

689
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 1: and then he was a Tennessee type.

690
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. Kind of a kind of a different deal for sure.

691
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, you know, you talk about even on draft day.

692
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 3: It was another you know, disappointing day. And and by

693
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 3: the way, were I was in my apartment there with

694
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 3: my two roommates, does it is it? This is Remember

695
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 3: my one roommate who I went to high school with

696
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 3: was the kicker and the punter, Damon Keller, and the

697
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 3: other one was on the golf team, Jeff Cottner.

698
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 4: Okay, and so eventually it became just me.

699
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 2: So it wasn't like big family gathering.

700
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I never I never bought it. You know,

701
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 4: I was a really focused person. After the fifth round,

702
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 4: I did not watch it.

703
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 3: I went to the library. I called it cracking with

704
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 3: the Bracken Library. It was a three level library there

705
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 3: on campus. And I went to the library because I

706
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 3: I had a test on Monday, and I said, I

707
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 3: think I better pass this test.

708
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 4: I haven't got.

709
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 2: Drafted yet because maybe going to work for State Park. Yeah,

710
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: that's exactly what I was thinking.

711
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 4: So so I did have a flip vote in.

712
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 3: Mister Halivac, great mister Hallibac called me and then Floyd

713
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 3: Reach and those guys that we're gonna take you. And

714
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 3: I said, yeah, you guys called earlier in the fifth

715
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 3: but yeah, I didn't say you're gonna take me, but

716
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 3: y'all yeah, acted as thy word, and then it didn't happen.

717
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 4: I said, I'm at the library right now. They said, no, no,

718
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 4: we're taking you. You got it? And I go, I don't.

719
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 4: I'm a pretty study for this text. And then no, no,

720
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 4: well when you get back home, just go look at

721
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 4: the ticker. We're gonna be on there. And so meanwhile,

722
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 4: so now I'm distracted.

723
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 2: I can't study.

724
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 4: So I get up, leave and go home. My agent.

725
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 4: Then it's calling me by the way. I'm driving back

726
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 4: and say, hey, they took you and something. I until

727
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 4: I sit there, and I'm sitting on the couch by myself.

728
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 4: Now nobody's there, you know, because I left. They laugh

729
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 4: and I saw my name and I was.

730
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: I was excited, Okay, it was truly pumped. How much

731
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 2: was your bonus?

732
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 4: My sign up bonus my rookie year was twenty thousand dollars.

733
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 4: That's so, I laughed.

734
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 3: Twenty thousand dollars and my only and since I was

735
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 3: a late round pick like that, only got a two

736
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 3: year deal and I made one fifteen and then I

737
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 3: think one twenty five.

738
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 2: But I mean in nineteen ninety three. That's good money, man,

739
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: that is really good money.

740
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 4: So after taxes, I think it was my ten thousand dollars.

741
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 2: So what did you do with the bonus? Did you

742
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: do any did you put it in the bank or

743
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 2: did you buy something or No?

744
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 4: I didn't do anything with him. I kept him. I

745
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 4: didn't have a car until after my first year was up.

746
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 4: No kidding, Yeah, yeah, well, well I he says I didn't,

747
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 4: but I did.

748
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 3: Brad Hopkins, who was the first round pick, we developed

749
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 3: a relationship, and I was real cool with the Illinois

750
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 3: guys because we had two guys from my high school

751
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 3: who went there.

752
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 4: They were already graduating. They got drafted to Derek Brown Lowell.

753
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 3: The year before me, fifth round, I think by the

754
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 3: Cowboys linebacker and Moe Gardener two years before that, who

755
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 3: I played with as well, went to the Falcons in

756
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 3: the third round, and so it was a natural connection.

757
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 3: And we were at mid in the Midwest area. So

758
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 3: I got to know b hop at the Senior Bowl

759
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 3: and so when we got drafted. He was the first

760
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 3: round I was the last round pick, and I just

761
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 3: stayed with him. He stayed in a you know, a

762
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 3: town home, there, right across the street from the practice facility.

763
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 4: So yeah, so I lived with him and I paid

764
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 4: him a stipend like, you know, five hun dollars or

765
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 4: something a lot funny. Yeah, and then I didn't buy

766
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 4: a car, so I would drive one of his cars.

767
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 3: If I needed a car, I would I have to

768
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 3: ask him. But yeah, he had a you know, two

769
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 3: or three cars.

770
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: So he's a car guy.

771
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he's a car guy.

772
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 3: You know. He was the first round. I think he

773
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 3: had signed up onus the three For me, I don't

774
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 3: know what it was. And so I did that an

775
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 3: entire first season because I was still worried about that.

776
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 3: I didn't know if I was gonna make the team.

777
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 3: That's where my mind still was at. No, it was

778
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 3: thirty years ago, and I still had that mindset, and

779
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 3: it actually motivated me.

780
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 4: I never took anything for granted. I never did.

781
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 3: I just like I got to keep working, keep grinding

782
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 3: it because there was a part of me like I

783
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 3: didn't know after this year even if I was going

784
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 3: to be on the team. So even after my rookie year,

785
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 3: I did an internship with Smith Barney down in downtown Houston,

786
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 3: and they helped me facilitate that they had a program

787
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 3: there for the players. Because I was concerned, I said, well,

788
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 3: let me see if I can work at the corporad

789
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 3: and if I ever do get a nice contract that

790
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 3: I like to at least know what to do with it.

791
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 4: And so I did that and still concerned that, Okay,

792
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 4: I may not be on the team the next year,

793
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 4: you know.

794
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 3: It just and I think some guys, being that I

795
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 3: was a later around pick, it benefited me where some

796
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 3: guys maybe in the first round probably would have relaxed

797
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 3: and took things for granted.

798
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 4: And it never dawn on me.

799
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 3: I was always trying to evolve and be the better

800
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 3: version of what I was the year before, right, and

801
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 3: work on all my weaknesses and address them where a

802
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 3: lot of athletes they don't kind of address, you know,

803
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 3: if they're weekend you know, whether oh I can't catch,

804
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 3: you know, So I'm gonna work on my hands or

805
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 3: my footwork, my covering skills.

806
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 4: So that's that's kind of way worse it was.

807
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 2: That is a great story.

808
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: That's my conversation with Blaine Bishop as part of our

809
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: follow Me Through Tennessee series as we went to Swedey

810
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: Swifts on the Square in Gallatin and remind you that

811
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: Duncan has it where. It's always game going. That's right,

812
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: Grab a cup of coffee and kick off the action.

813
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: Whether that's drinking a cup on your way to the

814
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: game or grabbing one to go before watching the game

815
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: at home, Duncan is always there to help you get

816
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: your game on. Just like the pros, we need to

817
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: be at our best come game time, which is why

818
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: Duncan is the most important part of your game day

819
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: ritual because it's always the best call for football America

820
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: runs on Duncan. Thanks for joining us for this special

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Speaker 1: edition of the O T