WEBVTT - Dionne Warwick 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:10.360 Cold on. 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:16.480 Let's get to it. R and B Money, Honey. 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:28.920 Thanks take valoti. We are the authority on R and B. 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:34.360 Ladies and gentlemen. My name is Tank, said Valentine, and 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:39.320 this is the R and B Money Podcast, epic moment, 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:43.240 the authority on all I don't mind gonna scream, but 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:45.800 they don't have to scream. No, I don't have Today. 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:49.280 It's a day of elegance. That's not today. You see 0:00:49.280 --> 0:00:50.800 how my shirt is buttoned all the way to the top. 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:53.640 You see your shirt. Today is the day of we 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:56.760 are buttoned up today. We are what's happening today is 0:00:56.840 --> 0:01:01.280 just out say you know what what If you ever 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:05.759 need me, I will be there for you for friends 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:23.320 of yes, wow, hello, Hello. We call ourselves the authority 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:29.240 on all things R and B because we've he's he's 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:34.320 been in it since a child. Yes, but that yeah, 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:38.120 that long. I go from gospel to you know, to 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:40.680 the R and B world. But in terms of our 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:43.800 hands reaching, you know, we can. We've we've been able 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:47.480 to reach some of the youngest, Yes to the to 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:52.200 the and and what you are doing for the validation 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:56.000 of the word authority for us today. 0:01:56.760 --> 0:01:59.280 I don't know about that I really don't even think 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:01.920 I know everything. I do not know everything. 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:05.200 It's not what you know, it's what you've done and 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:09.120 who you are and who you are. Okay, Yes, this 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:11.880 is this is this is a this is a popular 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:16.560 collar pod. This is this. This is a moment for 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:19.000 you to say it how you feel it. You know 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:25.119 what I'm saying. We are celebrating you today unapologetically. That way. 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:28.120 I'll take that, so you can do no wrong, hit 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:37.639 no wrong. I want to. I want to start off 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:41.920 by saying, wow, what a what a what an amazing 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:47.400 body of work? Yeah, what an amazing body of work? 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:52.600 And I mean it goes back to a time where 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:55.880 I put up one of the videos. It was like 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:58.600 a tee television video where it's like really in black 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:05.079 and white, Yeah, like in real black and white, you 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:16.919 know what I mean to hear? Yeah, and the celebration 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:21.000 still continues. What does that feel like? 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:30.280 It is sometimes overwhelming? You know, things that are coming 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:36.200 to me as rapidly as they're coming, I've always considered 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:37.320 them blessings. 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:38.080 You know. 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:45.000 I don't use the word award. I use the word reward. 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:50.120 It's for the work that I have done and now 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:57.960 being recognized for and appreciated for. But it has been 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:04.160 truly amazing what's going on right now for me? You know, 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:06.960 one thing right after the other after the other. The 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:09.640 fact I have looked up and say, hey, I called 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:14.920 God Charlie, that's my personal friend. 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:22.840 Can we blow it down, Charlie, not up the job? 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:32.680 No, no, no, no no no. But you know, it's 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:38.640 it's truly it's becoming fun. Yeah, I really is. Oh 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:44.560 another one. You know, it's like, wow, I am truly 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:46.440 it's just said, I'm blessed. 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:49.320 A lot of times we love to go like to 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:52.880 the go back to the very very beginning. And so 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.880 you know, we did some reading where we're students of 0:04:55.920 --> 0:05:00.600 the game. We we we we know it starts in 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:04.880 the church. We know that we no clear it is 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:11.200 clearly clear. But you go in the studio and you're 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:19.039 singing these backgrounds m hm and someone is like her, yeah, 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:22.680 she's the one. Was that a thing where? Because that 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:24.240 was that was fair? That was your family? Right? 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:26.599 Yeah? 0:05:29.080 --> 0:05:32.880 Was that a thing where? Because a lot of times, 0:05:33.240 --> 0:05:35.520 you know, when when groups are on this group mission, 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:39.920 you know what I mean, it's some the solo ists. 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:45.240 The solo artist is inevitable, but it's still a heartbreak, 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:47.599 you know what I mean? Was was that a tough 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:49.599 moment or tough decision for you to now? 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:53.479 You know, I wasn't the soul so lead singer. My 0:05:53.680 --> 0:06:03.800 sister was Lee sing I signed tenor and now, as 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:08.400 it happened, we were doing a background session for the 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:14.240 Drifters and a song that Very had written with another songwriter, 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:20.919 Bob Hilliar. I laughingly say, most of the time that 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:24.359 must have been seen to loud. But as it was, 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:30.120 you know, I read music, and that was I think 0:06:30.120 --> 0:06:33.200 what caught is I had more than anything else. I 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:37.400 had the ability to read. Yes, And he approached me 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:41.440 and asked if I would be interested in doing demonstration 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:44.320 records of a song, if you'd be writing with Hal David. 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:50.520 And there was a way to supplement that little scholarship 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:54.120 I got from New Hope at the Church to go 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:58.440 to her college. So I was helping my mom and 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:03.880 my dad keep that money to say in school, yeah yeah, 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:08.359 and I see yeah, and studied doing demonstration records along 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:09.760 with more background work. 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:12.520 When did you learn how to read music? 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:18.640 I started piano lessons at the age of seven. Okay, 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:24.760 so I've been reading a long time, a very long time. 0:07:25.600 --> 0:07:30.480 I was supposed to read music, was supposed to I 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:33.800 was supposed to. My grandmother put me with this, you know, 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:37.880 with this piano teacher. And I had already been playing 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:43.000 by ear. Yeah, and so you know, the program was 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:45.280 the program in terms of where you start at middle 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:48.120 c with your thumbs and the whole. And I was 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:51.320 already playing church chords and all this thing, and it 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:55.400 was taking me so far back, like I felt like 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:57.480 it was a waste of time, mistake on my part. 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:01.200 And then in turns of you being able to read 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:03.760 music like and read those charts in the background, you know, 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:07.280 seeing those backgrounds in those spaces. I got a scholarship 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:09.800 to Morgan State from god Rest is old doctor Carter 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:13.640 an amazing musician, right, and the first day of school, 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:17.240 you know, walking class and they start handing out you know, 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:19.200 sheet music. I'm like, okay, we're getting ready to learn 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:23.520 something like all right, we don't learn and opened my 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:25.360 little book and sitting next to all the people in 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:27.560 the choir and doctor Carter comes walking in. He's real 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:31.280 James Brown with the two afro boots, leather jacket. You 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:33.840 know what I'm saying, like the thin leather like soup jacket, 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:37.040 the whole the whole movie. Right, Doctor conways on the 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:39.160 piano and he goes and he says, all right, I 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:44.679 started a measure one, and everybody starts saying, wal do 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:58.800 you here like this? Who's gonna tell me? Y'all have rehearsals, rehearsals, No, 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:06.760 all that play by here that they were reading fresh 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:11.120 off site. And so like when you when you when 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:13.520 you're saying that, like, I'm just I'm gathering so many 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:16.880 pictures of how music was made back then. 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:27.400 Oh yeah, you know when you have composers. And I really, 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:34.560 being myself, very fortunate that I felt and still feel 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:37.880 to this day. I had two of the most prolific yes, 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:45.079 composer and writer called how David a poet actually to 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:51.040 come along during that period of time. I am okay, 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:56.679 I I just we were known in the industry as 0:09:56.679 --> 0:10:00.240 to try and marriage that worked, and that's so we 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:08.839 became family. We became very different, and we find those 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:14.000 kinds of people that create the way that they're creating 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:22.680 and began creating specifically for you. I mean, you become one. 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:31.000 It's a different kind of magic, right, because it's it's 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:33.760 it's rare when you find these marriages because a lot 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:38.520 of times in our music space, it's always searching from 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:42.320 producer to producer to writer to writer, trying to find 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:46.400 the hit more so than having your own sound, sitting 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:51.120 in and finding the magic. Like we talked about Brandy 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:56.319 dark Child on Na Sean before about some marriages are 0:10:56.480 --> 0:11:03.640 just so timeless that they'll just never be recreated. True, 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:06.880 that never be recreated. Yeah, and how many. 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:16.040 Years we were together? About fifteen years when we were 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:22.800 apart for close to twelve years, and then they got 0:11:22.840 --> 0:11:29.400 back together, so it was never it's a little it's 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:34.120 a family quarrel. Yeah, And nobody wanted to agree with 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:38.760 each other. So I say, y'all go, you're aware, and 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:41.240 I'm gonna go mine, but you're gonna pay me because 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:44.040 you're supposed to be getting me something that you know 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:48.120 you're it's saying you're not gonna get me. They owed 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:53.680 me recordings. I remember like it was yesterday. It was 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:59.640 with Burner Brothers at the time and more Austin was 0:11:59.679 --> 0:12:05.640 Fred and at the time he said to me, oh, 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:10.320 now you know you owe us it's some amount of albums. 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:16.040 I said, yeah, and you know the contract is between 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:21.319 you backgracking David, I said, yeah, and you know they're 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:25.920 not talking to each other. Yeah. I said, well, you 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:29.880 have to get them back together, do the CVS album 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:33.320 for you, or one brother's gonna have to sue you 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:39.480 and one present to them. So he says, either that 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:42.800 or you're gonna have to sue them. I said, that's 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:53.840 an easy thing to do. There we are and got 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:54.959 my money. 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:55.680 Wow. 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:58.800 Yeah, you know they musually were wrong. 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:02.080 But they they weren't working together at the time exactly, 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:04.360 and it affected everything. 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:04.640 Yeah. 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:11.480 And I was doing this like hello, you know, because 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:17.320 they made it perfectly kid. They exclusively were my producer songwriters. Yeah, 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:22.760 and everybody just wouldn't come near me with songs, so. 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:25.840 No one would even submit songs because they just knew 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:30.200 they knew, you know. I mean, And how like compare 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:35.280 those records to walk on by, Like what do you like? 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:38.640 What would we even submit if those if you're putting 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:41.400 off those type of records at that high of a level, 0:13:42.360 --> 0:13:43.040 I get it. 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:46.839 You know. I. In fact, I made a comment to 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:53.080 Bert I heard a song that came out of Philadelphia, 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:57.959 introduced and written by one of my dear dear friends, 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:03.439 and I made a call. I said, hey, Bert, Hey, 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:11.079 have you heard a little group called Stylistics? He said yeah. 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:13.640 I said, well, I'm going to the airport the other 0:14:13.679 --> 0:14:15.320 day and somebody said, I know you have a new 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:21.680 record out. I said, don't. Oh yeah you do. I said, no, 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:25.120 I don't. So we heard the other day. I said, no, 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:31.880 you heard Russell singing, not them tom Bell. And I 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:35.280 told Bert that day, I said, you know what, you 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:38.280 better get up on your your gig because this little 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:41.760 boy out of Philadelphia is on your butt. He is 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:47.760 on you, and rightfully so bomb as I called him, 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:52.320 because of the way he spelled this. I used to 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:56.200 call him bomb. Hey bomb? Yeah, what you doing? He said? Well, 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:59.040 I want you to have this all but couldn't get 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:04.400 past that background. Man, Okay, but that's the way it was. 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:10.160 It was territorial, though, because y'all had a had a streak, 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:10.960 had a thing. 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:15.640 Oh yeah, we had and it was a family. Yeah, 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:19.040 we really were that close. You know. I put my 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.080 feet under the dining room table and they put their 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:24.560 feet under my mama's dining room table. Yeah, so we 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:25.840 were basically as one. 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:31.720 How did it feel too? 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:37.880 I mean, for lack of a better term to rule decades. Well, 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:40.680 you just have records. 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:46.720 Nobody had bigger records. You want to count to his, 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:47.320 you want. 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:59.120 To know, you know, it was something I don't really 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:03.960 think I thought of about it because once I did it, 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:06.800 and I was on the road as much as I was, 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:14.800 she had time to think about that and until people 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:19.800 started pointing it out to me, what, no, come on, 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.560 get out of my face. But that's what was going 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:25.760 on in my life. And if it's happening so rapidly. 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:29.240 So you're not even paying attention to the charts exactly. 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:31.240 Never did, still don't. 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:34.520 That's when he got so many. You have so many, 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:35.680 but it's so many hits. 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:38.480 When you got your one hit, you're like, yeah, you 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:39.720 know right now it's number five. 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:46.560 How many times have we had that conversation with somebody? Yeah, 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:49.480 you know right now, because we never She's like, yeah, 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:53.360 we number eight with a bubble bubble, you go to bubble, 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:55.240 we trend it up. I'm trying to tell you the 0:16:55.280 --> 0:17:01.040 research is coming back real good the past twenties. 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:03.920 Like so when you get your first hit record, you 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:05.320 go immediately on the road. 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:13.880 Yeah, exactly, and literally would come in off the road too. 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.920 To do a session if we were doing a project 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:28.240 at the time. The prime example would see promises session, 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:36.720 which just a funny story. The producer of the show, 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:39.080 I can't ever remember his name. I used to call 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:49.840 him Little Cason. What is his name? Everybody? He he 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:54.560 brought the cast to my session when I was recording 0:17:54.640 --> 0:18:01.560 promises because they just I mean promises se song to sing. 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:05.480 And remember Jerry Albrac said to me, how the hell 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:14.280 do you do that? Very carefully? You know, I think 0:18:15.000 --> 0:18:18.480 if you look at the chart of promises, you say 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:26.280 meter change every bar, so you literally are reading meters. 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:29.920 People don't even understand what that is. 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:34.120 Oh every bar. If it's a four to four measure bar, 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:39.000 it's one two four, and with promises it was one 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:41.840 two three one two one two three four one two 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:45.200 one two three four five yeah, every other bar. 0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:46.960 Yeah. 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:50.680 I was going cry, and I'm saying, you're singing it 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:53.680 that way. You look at me like I've lost my mind. 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:58.840 But you have to have so much musical information in 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:04.439 order to pull that off, because listening to it it 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:08.600 you make it sound it seems. 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:12.480 Yeah, yeah, I know that's what everybody's is, but it's 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:17.000 not it's not easy, and I don't see it. Yes, 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:25.240 I do understand why, and it's because I think the 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:28.680 three of us were were glued together, you know that 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:32.600 there was nothing that In fact, it that's so funny 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:36.679 between us. I felt that every time I went to 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:40.520 the studio with Right and said, Okay, let's see if 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:45.600 you can do this. If you yeah, you know, and 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:48.879 I felt, you know, that was the challenge, which was wonderful. 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:56.399 It helped me tremendously in college, tremendously being able to 0:19:56.600 --> 0:20:01.120 read as fast as I could and also playing. So 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:07.320 I never really gave it a second thought. But I 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:11.920 yet to hear anybody attempt to sing it in performance. 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:16.080 Because they definitely sing your songs and that's definitely not. 0:20:17.920 --> 0:20:26.240 Yahoo promises. I don't know about that can walk on? 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:32.639 What's another one with a crazy time? 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:41.919 Anyone had heart? The one that and Burton House and 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:45.800 write this from Now? Andrea and Dorry Prepping wrote Aboullians 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:50.720 at Alls, which is also one of those you know, 0:20:51.200 --> 0:20:53.840 I think it's going somewhere that that never gets to. 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:57.280 He was just like, oh wait a minute, she didn't 0:20:57.280 --> 0:20:59.520 sing that note there. You know, I didn't sing that 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:03.080 note that because they weren't written for that taking care. 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:09.639 You know, everybody just said to me doing heartbreaking with 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:13.119 the Good Brothers, they felt, oh yeah, let's give us 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:16.840 something that goes around the corner three or four times 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:19.520 to the avenue. 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:22.399 Yeah, you couldn't do that with the artists now, you 0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:24.240 just couldn't. You couldn't do that. 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:25.359 No, you can't. 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:30.320 You know, I'm watching a video of you, and I'm 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:35.520 watching I'm watching the construction. I'm watching you all sit 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:41.520 there and and build as as bird's playing and house 0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:44.760 there with just in your and you're singing, all are 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:49.840 going back. It's like it's like this crazy thing that 0:21:49.880 --> 0:21:55.439 you guys are doing where it's like, okay, there's a 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:59.600 challenge there, but of course it's like making sure that 0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:03.440 we're in the right place musically, vocally, and lyrically all 0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:08.119 at the same time exactly, which is rare because you know, 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:12.960 in these days, they just make a record, have somebody 0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:17.320 done with here? Listen to this copy? Just yeah, it's 0:22:17.359 --> 0:22:20.960 never like, hey, sit in here and let's work through 0:22:21.000 --> 0:22:25.840 the progressions of this idea we have and let's make 0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:28.520 sure you land perfectly. 0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:34.720 Within that realm exactly. It's called creativity ultimate creativity. 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:36.480 That's the magic. 0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:39.639 It ain't no punching, no vocals. We're gonna sing this 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:41.879 thing through it. We're gonna rehearse it. It's top to bottom, 0:22:42.040 --> 0:22:44.080 top to bottom. It's top to bottom. You were singing 0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:47.399 those songs top to bottom. 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:50.880 We're gonna go ahead and clap. It's gonna go ahead 0:22:50.880 --> 0:22:54.320 and clap for that. I've only sang one song, talked 0:22:54.359 --> 0:23:01.679 about it my entire career, and I thank god I 0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:05.680 did because when I've had you to perform in life, 0:23:05.720 --> 0:23:08.000 because when I sing these other songs that I punched, 0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:13.000 you don't need to bring that down the whole step. 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:16.000 If you don't mind, we're not gonna be able to 0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:22.240 cover the end of that if. 0:23:16.960 --> 0:23:23.600 We didn't know anything about that. You know, no, I 0:23:23.760 --> 0:23:25.800 loved straight. 0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:28.119 Out, And you know why I recorded that song like that? 0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:30.120 Maybe I deserve you know why I recorded that song 0:23:30.200 --> 0:23:33.439 like that. I didn't have no more studio time. I 0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:36.800 was probably running low, for sure, but I had done this. 0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:41.920 I did a session We're Gladys Knight, yeah, and we 0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:45.320 were working on her gospel album, and I had I 0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:47.560 had done this. They were like, she needs a really 0:23:47.600 --> 0:23:50.520 cool interlude, something that you know what I mean, you know, 0:23:50.600 --> 0:23:54.439 just start the album, be somewhere cool. And so I 0:23:54.480 --> 0:23:59.040 did this like almost like two minute you know thing, 0:23:59.800 --> 0:24:03.320 just good movements and singing and all like. And so 0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:05.440 I put it together and she comes into the studio 0:24:06.280 --> 0:24:09.760 and and she's like, okay, let me hear it. And 0:24:10.000 --> 0:24:11.680 then I play it and she's like, I like that. Okay, 0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:13.920 I'm gonna just be back here. Just keep playing it. 0:24:13.960 --> 0:24:16.520 And I'm just I'm just you know, we just we 0:24:16.680 --> 0:24:21.160 just waiting, waiting on miss Gladys. It's cool, right right. 0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:26.919 So after about maybe like five or six listens, she says, okay, 0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:29.760 I'm ready to baby. I was like, okay, all right, 0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:33.880 well come on on here, set the mic up, and 0:24:33.920 --> 0:24:35.480 we said we're gonna start you right here at the top. 0:24:35.560 --> 0:24:37.639 She's like, all right, let's get it, and we press 0:24:38.240 --> 0:24:44.560 record and she goes from top bottom two bottom flawlessly 0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:52.240 h an auto tune. These are a DAPs, no no 0:24:52.320 --> 0:24:56.240 extra nothing, And I'm sitting there with the engineer when 0:24:56.280 --> 0:25:04.760 she finishes, and I'm like looking at me, should should 0:25:04.760 --> 0:25:08.800 I again? Should I tell her that it again? I'm 0:25:08.800 --> 0:25:10.720 gonna just tell her to do it again so I 0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:14.840 can feel like I'm doing something. Uh this last night, 0:25:14.840 --> 0:25:20.960 I was absolutely amazing. Maybe on this one, just be amazing. 0:25:20.960 --> 0:25:24.800 Here we go one more time from top to bottom, 0:25:26.320 --> 0:25:30.040 and I said, thank you for coming. You may go home. 0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:35.000 And that made me to have to at least try it. 0:25:36.320 --> 0:25:38.440 I have to at least try it. And that's how 0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:41.000 I say, maybe I deserve topped about him. But you 0:25:41.080 --> 0:25:43.480 hear on that song is just what I had left 0:25:44.160 --> 0:25:45.840 by the end of that song. And I can sing 0:25:45.880 --> 0:25:49.480 that song live every night because of that. 0:25:52.119 --> 0:25:54.320 Why would you not wanted it that way? 0:25:55.440 --> 0:26:02.160 Because we lazy? Yes, yes, yes, I'm gonna be honest 0:26:02.200 --> 0:26:02.679 with you. 0:26:02.720 --> 0:26:07.880 No, I understand because I can remember, like yesterday, our babies, 0:26:07.920 --> 0:26:12.040 and that's what I call them. We'll block a studio 0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:16.720 for a year and they'll come in maybe once every 0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:20.719 three weeks to sing one note and leave. But they 0:26:20.840 --> 0:26:23.200 blocked the studio out for a year, and nobody can 0:26:23.240 --> 0:26:26.440 do anything in a studio for a year. But that's 0:26:26.440 --> 0:26:28.320 how they do it, one note at a time. 0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:29.680 Mm hmm. 0:26:29.720 --> 0:26:37.359 It's crazy. Yeah, uh, senselessly wasting money and people's. 0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:50.800 Don't make me over. 0:26:51.960 --> 0:26:56.880 Yes, that's your first hit, very first recording, So that's 0:26:56.920 --> 0:27:00.640 your very first recording as well. So the first song 0:27:00.680 --> 0:27:04.399 ever that you recorded for you was a hit record 0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:04.800 as well. 0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:11.200 Yeah, okay, yeah, so so me, you know, I think 0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:15.280 I know a lot of what you've done. And I 0:27:15.320 --> 0:27:18.400 remember a young lady by the name of Sibyl Yeah 0:27:18.920 --> 0:27:22.679 singing this song called Don't Make Me Over, and it 0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:29.480 was one of my favorite songs. And I was two 0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:36.440 days years old to today knowing that that was your song. 0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:47.960 Yeah, nineteen sixty two, Siper boy even thought. 0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:54.040 Of and your and your time signature was crazy in 0:27:54.080 --> 0:27:58.399 that one. So me, he imagine me like knowing thinking 0:27:58.440 --> 0:28:00.439 all this time that don't Make Me Over this song 0:28:00.480 --> 0:28:05.680 I'm from, and then I go back and hear the original. 0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:09.680 Mind blowing. 0:28:10.440 --> 0:28:11.679 You know. I'll tell you something. 0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:13.000 Uh. 0:28:13.359 --> 0:28:18.680 She came over and she's from England. She came over 0:28:18.840 --> 0:28:22.000 to do my show, my friends and me, and that's 0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:24.879 the first thing she said, No, I've recorded your song. Yeah, no, 0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:27.680 you recorded my song. It is wonderful, thank you very much. 0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:29.080 Yeah yeah yeah, And. 0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:33.760 She said, well what did you think? And before I 0:28:33.760 --> 0:28:37.240 could think, you know, I have a very bad habit 0:28:37.840 --> 0:28:42.080 my mouth sometimes my foot that's plopped right in my mouth. 0:28:43.160 --> 0:28:46.440 But I said, you know what, the only thing about it. 0:28:47.680 --> 0:28:49.800 The first note you sing on the song is not 0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:54.000 the right note. She said it is. I said, no, 0:28:54.240 --> 0:28:58.640 it isn't. She said, oh, lots of go and listen 0:28:58.640 --> 0:29:01.320 to your record again. I sing that song. I did, 0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:07.040 But she sings two notes wrong on the first two notes. 0:29:08.480 --> 0:29:10.440 So if you remake. 0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:14.760 Any of her music, put out the discrimon, she's going 0:29:14.840 --> 0:29:24.280 to call you out. Listen here, baby, say right, I'll 0:29:24.280 --> 0:29:27.440 see what she was going for. I see what she 0:29:27.520 --> 0:29:28.040 was going. 0:29:27.880 --> 0:29:35.280 For because she decided or produced this whoever it was, 0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:38.920 and decided to re record the song to make it 0:29:39.160 --> 0:29:44.600 another genre of music. So it gave her liberty to 0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:45.680 do what she wants to do. 0:29:46.880 --> 0:29:51.920