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Speaker 1: Why use a surrogate and try and create a narrative

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Speaker 1: before you go in front of the public. Yeah, especially

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Speaker 1: when you say you're objective, as he said his objective

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Speaker 1: was to to force the appointment of a special prosecutor.

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Speaker 1: I mean he could have had a press conference and said,

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Speaker 1: I think we need a special process. I think to

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Speaker 1: do it by to do it by leaking onto circumstances

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Speaker 1: where he himself is one of the biggest critics of

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Speaker 1: leaking in the government, and rightly so. By the way

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Speaker 1: um is is is questionable judgment on his part, and

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Speaker 1: I think, look, I hope nothing nothing illegal about it

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Speaker 1: though in your judgment though, right, I mean, he's just

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Speaker 1: I don't know. For example, did well did he they're his?

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Speaker 1: Um they're his memos, but their government property, more than

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Speaker 1: likely their government records. There records of his. He's certainly

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Speaker 1: holding them up as government records. Andy. Yeah, So the

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Speaker 1: question is, did the FBI have a copy of them.

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Speaker 1: You know, did he take them when he left? And uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, did he give them to the media before

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Speaker 1: the FBI had I hope he didn't. I hope he

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Speaker 1: you know, I hope it's fine. And the FBI had

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Speaker 1: them on file and he had a copy and he

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Speaker 1: decided he's no longer in the government, and he decided

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Speaker 1: he's going to fight fire with fire with somebody who

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Speaker 1: was trying to um destroyer's reputation. Um. You know, I

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Speaker 1: don't think that's a pretty story, but I think it'd

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Speaker 1: be an excusable one. Um, but we'll just have to see.

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Speaker 1: I I think there is gonna be some serious looking

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Speaker 1: into this though. Yeah. I mean I remember when I

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Speaker 1: statutes about about classified but they told me they're like, well,

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Speaker 1: expectations they have, they have abuse of position, official misuse

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Speaker 1: of position. There were different criminal statutes that could apply

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Speaker 1: for basically, you know, doing your job incredibly poorly and

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Speaker 1: recklessly in such a way that you might have, you know,

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Speaker 1: caused problems. So even when the when the criminal uh

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Speaker 1: federal classified statutes don't necessarily apply, you can still get

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Speaker 1: yourself into trouble working for the government if you do something,

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Speaker 1: do something really official misconduct. I'm sorry was the word.

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Speaker 1: I was trying to find official misconduct and they're like

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Speaker 1: you you can actually go to jail for that. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, look, I always think the simplest way of

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Speaker 1: thinking about this is, how would director call me feel

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Speaker 1: about an FBI agent who did what he did? Would

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Speaker 1: he be okay with that? You know that you you

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Speaker 1: make uh, you make memoranda to yourself of official FBI

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Speaker 1: business on FBI equipment, and then you lead it to

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Speaker 1: the media. I just wonder what it seems like a

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Speaker 1: very personal purpose, right, and by the way, speaking to

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Speaker 1: Anne McCarthy everybody, a former US attorney and uh contributing

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Speaker 1: editor National Review. But Andy, this does seem very personal.

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Speaker 1: This seems like me wanted to punch back. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: I don't blame him, yeah, I mean I understand that

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Speaker 1: impulse too, But a lot of people in a lot

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Speaker 1: of situations would like to like to punch back. I

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Speaker 1: think at what's going on within the government. But there

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Speaker 1: you know, as you know any better than than most,

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Speaker 1: there are rules. That's that's why these jobs are very hard,

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Speaker 1: because there's a lot of times you say, you know,

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Speaker 1: I could easily get around the rules here, and I

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Speaker 1: have a good reason for doing it. Um. And usually

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Speaker 1: that's the reason the rules there in the first place. Right. Um.

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Speaker 1: So uh, you know, look, I think that what the

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Speaker 1: president was trying to do to call me was a

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Speaker 1: very bad thing. Um. And he had every reason that

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Speaker 1: he wanted to fight back. But he shouldn't keep should

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Speaker 1: the steward call me with the tweets? Right? I mean,

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Speaker 1: and I agree with that sentiment. That wasn't That wasn't.

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Speaker 1: Probably he could have fought him. He could have fought

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Speaker 1: him through the front door. There's no reason to do

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Speaker 1: it this way. Yeah, Um no. Andy. Another thing that

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Speaker 1: came up that I really got my attention for a

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Speaker 1: second was the admission that Lauretta Lynch told Comey not

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Speaker 1: to publicly refer to what was clearly an investigation as

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Speaker 1: an investigation. Now, I think this also falls the category

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Speaker 1: of Okay, maybe not obstruction, but that is obvious politicization.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if there was a d o J, you know,

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Speaker 1: on Budsman or something. I would think that person would

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Speaker 1: have to come in and say, look, you can't change

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Speaker 1: what an investigation is because it sounds bad. Yeah. But

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Speaker 1: you know, Buck, I think you're hitting on exactly what

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Speaker 1: it is that motivates Comy and what has caused a

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Speaker 1: lot of what we've seen, which is that, you know,

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Speaker 1: lynch in, Obama could have tank the case on on

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton by just either pardoning her or just saying

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Speaker 1: we're not going to investigate this and announcing that publicly. Um,

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Speaker 1: they didn't want to do that because they didn't want

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Speaker 1: to take the political heat for it. They wanted to

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Speaker 1: set up a situation where it looked like the FBI

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Speaker 1: was clearing her. So they're sort of exploiting the prestige

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Speaker 1: of the FBI rather than taking the political heat for

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Speaker 1: their own decisions. And I think they kind of see

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Speaker 1: Trump is doing, uh, the same thing here, and I

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Speaker 1: think that's what That's what motivated come really more than

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Speaker 1: virtually anything else, the fact that the FBI's reputation was

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Speaker 1: being exploited by these political people for political purposes. Anie

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Speaker 1: McCarthy is a contributing editor for National Review. Check out

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Speaker 1: Nashal review dot com to read again. Pressure is not

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Speaker 1: obstruction and why was Flynn grilled by the FBI? Andy,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me and great to

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Speaker 1: have you as always. Thanks Bud. And as you know,

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Speaker 1: we're under siege. You understand that, but we will come

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Speaker 1: out bigger and better and stronger than ever you watch.

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Speaker 1: You fought hard for me, and now I'm fighting hard

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Speaker 1: for all of you. We know that the truth will prevail,

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Speaker 1: that God's glorious wisdom will shine through, and that the

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Speaker 1: good and decent people of this country will get the

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Speaker 1: change they voted for and that they so richly deserve.

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Speaker 1: Trump seeming reasonably optimistic, there they are under siege. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think today was for most of the anti Trump

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Speaker 1: media a let down. I think that they didn't get

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Speaker 1: as much out of this as they wanted. I think

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Speaker 1: I think that they've been pushing it too far and

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Speaker 1: too hard with regard to Russia collusion. And I also

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Speaker 1: think that Comey went a little a little far and

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Speaker 1: all this stuff today I was, you know, speaking of

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Speaker 1: and I read these pieces about how Comy is so

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Speaker 1: beloved within the FBI, and I mean, I can just

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Speaker 1: tell you, you know, when you work for a really

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Speaker 1: big federal agency. I don't know how much contact you

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Speaker 1: really have with the guy at the very, very very top.

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Speaker 1: But I find the I don't know. I mean, maybe

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Speaker 1: we could. I wish I could get somebody inside the

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Speaker 1: FBI to who I trusted to speak about this issue.

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Speaker 1: But you don't speak to people generally inside these places.

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Speaker 1: It's just you know, they don't want to talk for

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Speaker 1: obvious reasons. Um. But anyway, h Comy on on the

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Speaker 1: sanctimony scale, I think I think he took the dial

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Speaker 1: to an eleven here because he was asked, why didn't

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Speaker 1: you President Trump? Was you know, why didn't you push

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Speaker 1: back harder when President Trump met with you? And this

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Speaker 1: this is what Comy, full of sanctimony said, But why

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Speaker 1: didn't you stop and say, Mr President, this is wrong?

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Speaker 1: I cannot discuss this with you. It's a great question.

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Speaker 1: Maybe if I were stronger, I would have. I was

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Speaker 1: so stunned by the conversation that I just took it

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Speaker 1: in and the only thing I could think to say,

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Speaker 1: because I was playing in my mind, because I remember

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Speaker 1: every word he said. I was playing in my mind

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Speaker 1: what should my response be? And that's why I very

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Speaker 1: carefully chose the words, and look, I've seen the tweet

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Speaker 1: about tapes. Lordy, I hope their tapes. I I remember

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Speaker 1: saying I agree he's a good guy as a way

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Speaker 1: of saying I'm not agreeing with what you just asked

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Speaker 1: me to do again. Maybe other people would be stronger

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Speaker 1: in that circumstance, but that that was That's how I

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Speaker 1: conducted myself. I hope I'll never have another opportunity. Maybe

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Speaker 1: if I did it again, I would do it better.

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Speaker 1: This is a little bit like when somebody gets asked

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Speaker 1: in a job interview, you know, what are your weaknesses

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Speaker 1: and responses? Well, bob By just like to share the

583
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Speaker 1: credit too much, and I take too much responsibility on

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Speaker 1: my own shoulders. I mean, I'm such a team player

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Speaker 1: that the team feels left out because I want to

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Speaker 1: do all their work for them, and I'm just too

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Speaker 1: hard on myself. Those are my deep flaws, my failures.

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Speaker 1: Either Kobe's like if I were only stronger, if I

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Speaker 1: only could have done more, It's like the dude, we

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Speaker 1: we get it. Okay, you're you're America's top cop or

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Speaker 1: formally whatever. Um. By the way, another just random part

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Speaker 1: of this whole hearing that, I thought was I didn't

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Speaker 1: get much attention to that, but it stuck out in

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Speaker 1: my mind. Is a Senator Harris uh uh Kamala Harris

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Speaker 1: made it an analogy, and this is what This is

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Speaker 1: what she said about Comy and the whole honest loyalty thing.

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Speaker 1: And also I'm sorry, no, this is about see your

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Speaker 1: way clear of Flynn. Here's what the senator said, experience

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Speaker 1: of prosecuting cases when a Robert held a gun to

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Speaker 1: somebody's head and and said I hope you will give

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Speaker 1: me your wallet. The word hope was not the most

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Speaker 1: operative word at that moment. But you don't have to

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Speaker 1: respond to that point, okay um. I would like to

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Speaker 1: know what the case is that she's an experienced prosecutor, right,

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Speaker 1: and a senator, what is the case where the robber

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Speaker 1: holds up think and says, I hope you will give

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Speaker 1: me your wallet. I'm pretty sure they usually demand the wallet. Right.

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Speaker 1: And also that's a very specific context because the presence

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Speaker 1: of a firearm, there would be an immediate, not even

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Speaker 1: implied threat. So if if somebody walked up to somebody

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Speaker 1: and said I hope you'll give me your wallet, and

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Speaker 1: there's no threat of violence there and then they just

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Speaker 1: walked past them. I don't believe that is a crime.

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Speaker 1: In fact, not a particularly skilled prosecutor, it would seem

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Speaker 1: to me. But nonetheless the U. S. Senator Now, oh,

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Speaker 1: but I digress. Look, well, I want to get into

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Speaker 1: a little bit of the politics of this and also

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Speaker 1: how we move forward from it, or how the administration

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Speaker 1: to you later on in the show about an update

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Speaker 1: on that crazy college up in Washington. I have their

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Speaker 1: course curriculum to talk to you about. I also want

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Speaker 1: to share with you another one of these videos that

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Speaker 1: somebody wishes that they probably shouldn't or hadn't made, about

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Speaker 1: getting into a fight with someone in the service industry.

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Speaker 1: And um, a lot more. We've got more. Stay with me.

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Speaker 1: The Freedom Hunt rocks online too. You can hang out

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Speaker 1: with Team Buck any time. Plus get plus the latest

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton dot com. The Buck is back. Everybody. We've

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Speaker 1: talked about the legality of the COMI hearing today, whether

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Speaker 1: they'll be possible charges or not. Let's get into the

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Speaker 1: politics of all this. Well, what does it mean for

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Speaker 1: the administration? How do they do from a purely partisan

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Speaker 1: Washington D C. Belt Waite insider perspective. Well, to give

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Speaker 1: us that sense of things, were joined by Michael Goodwin.

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Speaker 1: He's a New York Post columist and a Fox News contributor.

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Speaker 1: His latest is Comey's testimony, poised to be defining moment

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Speaker 1: of Trump's presidency. Michael got to ask you, was it

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Speaker 1: a defining moment for the presidency? Well, look, I think

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Speaker 1: that's certainly what Comey was hoping for, That's what the

644
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Speaker 1: Democrats were hoping for. But I think at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, uh, Trump survives, and by surviving, he

646
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: is stronger because the the attempt to knock him off,

647
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Speaker 1: which is really what Comy is all about. Now, there's

648
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Speaker 1: no question about that. I think it's failed today. Now, Look,

649
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Speaker 1: Robert Mueller is still out there the Special Council. But

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Speaker 1: when you look at the build up to this day

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Speaker 1: and you look at what Democrats were hoping, which is

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Speaker 1: essentially this was a big step toward impeachment, I don't

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Speaker 1: think you saw anything there today that said, oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: impeachment is on track. In fact, what you saw was

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Speaker 1: that Comy confirms that he told Trump three times that

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Speaker 1: he was not under personal investigation in the Russian collusion case.

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Speaker 1: So that's a very big deal. Uh. What does it leave.

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Speaker 1: It leaves obstruction of justice perhaps? Okay, what did we

659
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Speaker 1: see there today about obstruction of justice? I mean, people

660
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Speaker 1: like Alan Dershowitz will tell you nothing that the president

661
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 1: is free to fire the FBI director. Uh, And so

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00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: that I think that this is now somewhat of a

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Speaker 1: shifted environment. Buck. I think that now Trump is back

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Speaker 1: to politics as usual, and that's still not an easy

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Speaker 1: road for him. He's still got a lot of resistance

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Speaker 1: within the Republican members of Congress, and I think if

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Speaker 1: he's really gonna be a successful president, he's got to

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Speaker 1: get some big legend slation through. He's got to get

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Speaker 1: the economy humming. He's got to deliver the jobs, jobs, jobs. Otherwise,

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Speaker 1: I think this kind of event today and the and

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Speaker 1: the continuing agitation of Democrats will take a toll on

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Speaker 1: this presidency. And he may survive, but it will not

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Speaker 1: be successful unless he can get some big things done.

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Speaker 1: I do think that the opposition media has been preparing

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Speaker 1: for this shift, at least some of them perhaps hedging

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Speaker 1: their bets for a little while. Where the drumbeat has

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00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: gone from We're going to prove that Trump is some

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Speaker 1: kind of Kremlin double agent to Flynn or Trump. Someone's

679
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: going to get jammed up on a cover up of

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00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: no crime. Right that either the obstruction charge against Trump

681
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Speaker 1: or Lyne to FBI agents for Flynn will now become

682
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Speaker 1: what we're hearing a lot about. But that doesn't have

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Speaker 1: it's It would seem to me that the same power

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Speaker 1: to completely bog down the Trump administration and divert its

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Speaker 1: entire agenda as nightly news reports about how Trump is,

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Speaker 1: you know, basically whispering in Russia on a secure phone.

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Speaker 1: Who is handler somewhere in Moscow? Yeah. Look, and I

688
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: think people should remember too, And this is part of

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Speaker 1: what informs my thinking. Impeachment is a political decision. Yes,

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00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: of course there's a legal angle to it, but fundamentally,

691
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Speaker 1: the House is the grand jury deciding whether to indict,

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00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: and the Senate is the trial jury deciding whether to convict.

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Speaker 1: They're all politicians, I mean, this is not a legal proceeding.

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Speaker 1: So much as it is a political one, and one

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Speaker 1: of the reasons the founders did it this way is

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Speaker 1: because they didn't want it to be frequently used. They

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Speaker 1: saw it as an extreme reaction, not extreme as in

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Speaker 1: the sense of overreacting, but as as not necessary except

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Speaker 1: in extreme cases of high crimes and misdemeanors, which they

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Speaker 1: left under fine. So I think that the idea of

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Speaker 1: going through an actual impeachment process, as much as the

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00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: Left fantasizes about it, would be very very bad for

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Speaker 1: the country, very divisive for the country, and it rarely

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Speaker 1: happens because you need sixty seven votes in the Senate,

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Speaker 1: you need this super majority, this two thirds majority, and

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Speaker 1: that means bipartisanship. And so I think the country, uh,

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Speaker 1: at least the left needs to just accept the fact

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Speaker 1: that Trump is president. Sure, you don't have to like him,

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00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: you don't have to agree with him. But this idea

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Speaker 1: of tearing down the government because you don't like the

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Speaker 1: results of the election, I think that is what has

712
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 1: suffered a big blow today, and I hope the left

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Speaker 1: will accept it as a fact and not look for

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Speaker 1: another another angle through the same door. We're speaking to

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Speaker 1: Michael Goodwin. He's a New York Post commis and Fox

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Speaker 1: News contributor about what happened today with the Comy testimony. Uh, Michael,

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Speaker 1: You've been in this game for a while. If the

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Speaker 1: Democrats were to take the House, let's say, in the

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Speaker 1: mid terms, based on just what we already know about

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Speaker 1: the conversation with Comey, do you think they would push

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Speaker 1: for impeachment? I mean, I know you're saying you're hoping

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Speaker 1: they'll walk back from it, but they're in the minority now.

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Speaker 1: If they actually had the House, do you think they'd

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Speaker 1: go ahead with it? If they if based on what

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00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: we know so far about Trump's actions, well, look, they

726
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: might well do that, in which case it would then

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00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 1: become I think a political circus, and impeachment would become

728
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: a much more common tool. And I think that would

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Speaker 1: that would be to the great disadvantage to the country

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Speaker 1: as a whole. Look, I mean, I would not defend

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump if I thought he did an impeachable thing,

732
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Speaker 1: but I didn't see it today. And I think if

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Speaker 1: you start to just mix your impeachment with your politics,

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Speaker 1: if if impeachment becomes your reaction to the ballot box,

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Speaker 1: then I think we're going down a very different road.

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Speaker 1: And so I thought today's hearing was pretty respectful and

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00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: I think sober, and I thought it was fair. I

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Speaker 1: thought Mark Warner obviously is itching for something that wasn't

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Speaker 1: there the Virginia Democrat. But I thought by and large,

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00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: the senators asked reasonable questions. I thought, Comey, uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: in his j Edgar Hoover jag or Hoover impersonation, I mean,

742
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 1: even talked about not wanting to do a jag or

743
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: Hoover think of having something on the president. But in

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00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,359
Speaker 1: fact that's what he did. And I think a lot

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00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: of that came out that that Comey's own conduct was

746
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: suspect that some of his that his that his behavior

747
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: in the sense of all he doesn't tell anybody about

748
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: his concerns about Trump until he's fired, and then he

749
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 1: helps to leak them. He actually participates in a leak. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: My impression to Comey, and I'm wondering what your reactions

751
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,959
Speaker 1: to this is that he pretends that it's all about

752
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: the FBI, but I think it's all about him running FBI.

753
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: I think he liked being FBI director a little too much. Yeah, Look,

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00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: I agree, I mean I think that I think that

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00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: Comy somewhere along the line began to see himself as

756
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: too big to be fired. And I believe that that

757
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: was part of his mistake, that he did not react

758
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: to either Lauretta lynches violations as he saw them, and

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00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: or or to President Trump's as he saw them until

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00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 1: he was fired. And then he unloads on everybody. I mean,

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00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: that does not speak well of him at all. That

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Speaker 1: does not speak And several senators called him on that,

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Speaker 1: Why didn't you if you felt so strongly, Because I

764
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: think that's the great paradox here. If these scenes were

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00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,959
Speaker 1: so horrible, and Comy felt so strongly about them, why

766
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Speaker 1: did he not say anything until he was fired? And

767
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: if if he didn't think they were important enough to

768
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: talk about while he was still in office, are they

769
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: really impeachable offenses? The head of the FBI, man who

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00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: knows prosecutions in and out, and he doesn't call them

771
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: to anyone's attention, or blow the whistle or even have

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00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 1: a conversation with the President about it. He says something

773
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: to Sessions at one point, but doesn't but it's but

774
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: it's not even in the sense of it was improper,

775
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: just that you should have been in the meeting too,

776
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 1: So it's a very strange case to throw up, as

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00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: you know, count number one in an impeachment proceedings. And

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Speaker 1: I just think if we begin to use impeachment instead

779
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,240
Speaker 1: of the ballot box, we're really going down the Third

780
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: world road. What happens next with the Trump agenda? Where

781
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: where should they go? Next week? You can tell me

782
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: where you think they're gonna go and or where where

783
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: they should go. But what happens now, well, I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you in my column tomorrow. Buck. One of the things

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00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: I spotlight two things. Actually, I think President Trump is

786
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 1: coming to understand that there's only so much he can

787
00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: do with executive orders and even going abroad where the

788
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 1: president is pretty much unfettered. And I like the fact

789
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: that he yesterday and this week, while all this was

790
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: going on, he went to Ohio on Wednesday to talk

791
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Speaker 1: about infrastructure, and today he did not tweet during the

792
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Speaker 1: hearing as far as I know. He waited for his

793
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: lawyer to come out afterwards. And I think all of

794
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,479
Speaker 1: these things speak to me that he recognizes he's got

795
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: to get the Republicans in Congress hide that unless he

796
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 1: can get Congress to pass the big things he's not

797
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: going to be a successful president. And how does he

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Speaker 1: do that. He has to get a larger public base

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Speaker 1: because right now, the members of Congress, they're wary of him,

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Speaker 1: but they're not afraid of him. He's not popular enough

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00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: to scare them. He's got to get more popular. He's

802
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: got to work with them. They have to see their

803
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: own interests in his agenda. And I think if he

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00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: can do that, he will be successful, and that that

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00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: I think will help him. Should this this case against

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Speaker 1: him continued to gather steam America, That's where it comes

807
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Speaker 1: back to politics. America will not convict a popular president.

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00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: And to be popular to have to be successful, and

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Speaker 1: I think that is where he needs to put his attention.

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Speaker 1: Michael Goodwin is New York Post column's check out New

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Speaker 1: York Post dot com for his column tomorrow. He's also

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Speaker 1: foxing his contributor, Michael always a pleasure, sir, Thanks for

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Speaker 1: coming on my pleasure Buck, Thank you. I want to

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Speaker 1: give you a content warning. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: something that's tough to even hear about, but it is

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Speaker 1: worth some discussion and it is in the news right now. Um.

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Speaker 1: Michigan has just passed a law the Michigan State legislature

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Speaker 1: making it a crime punishable by fifteen years in prison

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Speaker 1: to engage in or assist in the process of what

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Speaker 1: is known as f g M female genital mutilation also

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Speaker 1: known as female circumcision, although FGM is a more broadly

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Speaker 1: used and more accurate term for this completely barbaric and

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Speaker 1: horrific practice. Now this is not getting a lot of

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Speaker 1: media attention despite the fact that it involves young girls.

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Speaker 1: It involves the abuse of those girls by adults entrusted

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Speaker 1: with their protection through a procedure with FGM that can

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Speaker 1: have lifelong ramifications of pain, all kinds of continuous infections

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Speaker 1: and can even result in in death in the media

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Speaker 1: term because of infection. And it's specifically intended to subjugate

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Speaker 1: women to as they grow, as they come of age,

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Speaker 1: as they grow older, UH, to eradicate UM sexual pleasure. UM.

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Speaker 1: That's a way of subjugating women. It is commonplace, shockingly

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Speaker 1: commonplace in a number of Muslim majority African countries. It

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Speaker 1: is commonplace in fact, in Well it's two million girls

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Speaker 1: according to the World Health Organization who are alive today

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Speaker 1: have been cut UM and thirty countries across Africa. The

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Speaker 1: Middle East and Asia have FGM practiced in some numbers.

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Speaker 1: Is most common in parts of Africa and in some

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Speaker 1: countries of the Middle East UM, and those countries have

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Speaker 1: migrants who come to the West, who come to Europe

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Speaker 1: in America and have in some cases tried to bring

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Speaker 1: this practice along with them. There is a doctor and

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Speaker 1: his wife in Michigan right now who are facing trial

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Speaker 1: and they are claiming that this is a religious rite.

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Speaker 1: They're claiming a religious exception to this UM And for

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Speaker 1: those who are wondering what the reality of the procedure is.

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Speaker 1: There's a piece up on Fox Now about a Virginia

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Speaker 1: e mom. It really this isn't a Fox piece. It'd

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Speaker 1: be more accurate to say Fox picked up what the

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Speaker 1: Middle East Research Media Institute MEMORY, which is an excellent

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Speaker 1: organization that just translates what's going on in predominantly Arabic

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Speaker 1: media and clips online but as well as some others

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Speaker 1: so that we can know what's being said. And here

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Speaker 1: is what has said. Here was what is said by

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Speaker 1: an e mom in Falls Church, Virginia, and he posted

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Speaker 1: this on YouTube. This is the imam speaking about the

857
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: practice of female general mutilation. We thought it important to

858
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Speaker 1: publish this sermon on the topic of FGM because it

859
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: has been in the news recently. It is a suna,

860
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:17,760
Speaker 1: which means the traditional Islamic practice uh for the boys

861
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: and an honorable thing to do if needed for the girls.

862
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: This is something that a Muslim kyd of colleges can

863
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: tell you if you need or not. I Mom l

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Speaker 1: s I had says in the video. He went on

865
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Speaker 1: to say that they are to cut only the tip

866
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: of the sensitive part in the girl so that she

867
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Speaker 1: is not hyper sexually active. That is the purpose. Um.

868
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Speaker 1: It causes serious harm in the sexual life of the

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00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: child when she grows up. And this is why the

870
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: West thinks of it as sexual mutilation. If that lady

871
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 1: or surgeon cuts more. Um. But he is saying here

872
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: that hyper sexuality. He said that in societies that prohibit

873
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: the practice quote, hype or sexuality takes over and a

874
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: woman is not satisfied with one person or two or

875
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 1: three uh. That is God forbid now happening in Muslim

876
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: societies where they prohibit circumcision. So he's saying that unless

877
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: you perform this dangerous completely medically unnecessary by the way,

878
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: go on the World Health Organization website no, No real scientists,

879
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: no person who researched this or know anything about it

880
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: will tell you this is anything other than dangerous and

881
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: barbaric and meant to demean and subjugate women. Um and

882
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: he's this, Imam is telling you what what others and

883
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: there are I know there are apologists out there for

884
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: this practice. There are apologists in this country. They say, well,

885
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: men are men go through a similar procedure And that

886
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: is nonsense. That is not true. Men do not go

887
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: through procedure that is medically dangerous, that involves lifelong pain,

888
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 1: and that is meant to subjugate them because they cannot

889
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: enjoy sexual pleasure afterwards. That is the purpose of why

890
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: they do this too. Uh young Muslim girls, little girls.

891
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 1: And as I said, two million people, by the way,

892
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 1: why have you not heard that before? Oh? Well, could

893
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: it be because it doesn't look particularly good for one

894
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: faith tradition that it is overwhelmingly where this is practice.

895
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,840
Speaker 1: I know. This is where some smug scholar war to

896
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 1: come up and say, well buck, in some parts of

897
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: Eritrea they still do this, and not necessarily muslimers. It

898
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 1: is overwhelmingly practiced in Muslim majority countries and in Muslim

899
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: uh Muslim communities and two million women have gone through this.

900
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 1: I on her. C Ali wrote about it in her

901
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: book Infidel. It was done to her. If you want

902
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: to understand what this is, read her book. She describes

903
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 1: it in detail. It is very difficult reading. But this

904
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 1: is happening here now. A federal prosecutor said that the

905
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,959
Speaker 1: two people that are currently charged should be held, should

906
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 1: not go out on bail. This was in Detroit. This

907
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 1: is in Michigan, my friends, this is in the United

908
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: States of America. They should be held because it is

909
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,439
Speaker 1: believed that they may have performed a practice on up

910
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: to a hundred girls. This is just the case that

911
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: we know about. And this is why, of course, Michigan today,

912
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: Michigan today passed a law to make this a serious

913
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 1: felony punishable byout the fifteen years in prison. So this

914
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: is happening right now. And I should note there are

915
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,320
Speaker 1: those who are taking this up as a religious freedom issue.

916
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: They're defending this, They're defending a barbaric practice that is

917
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: affiliated with Islam. It is not necessarily a part of Islam,

918
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 1: but it is from within the Islamic tradition. Once again,

919
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 1: having to parse and make all of these distinctions because

920
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 1: I want to upset people. But there are those who

921
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: are are openly defending this in our own society, in

922
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: our own country, and as the World Health Organization not

923
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: Some right wing website notes this has now spread from

924
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Speaker 1: within the communities where it is UH commonplace into Europe

925
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: and into America through Muslim immigration. But we don't know

926
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: what the extent of it is because of course no

927
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: one is supposed to talk about it. It happens within families.

928
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: It has kept quiet. It would be shameful for the

929
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: woman who has been violated in this way, in this

930
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: traditionalist uh Islamist point of view, for her to speak

931
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: out about the atrocity that's been committed against her. Right

932
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: So it's just kept quiet, it's kept under wraps. But

933
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Speaker 1: I just wonder, as I'm as I'm sitting here, how

934
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: many of you, I know, we've focused so much on

935
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: coming today, how many of you know that there's a

936
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: case we're up to a hundred girls had were victims

937
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: of f GM in Michigan here in the United States,

938
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Speaker 1: that there's an I mom in Virginia who's saying, yeah,

939
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: it's to make sure that women don't have too much

940
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: fun when they have sex, and that this is being

941
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 1: held up as a religious freedom case by some and

942
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: that Detroit has to pass a law to stop people

943
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: from doing this. He year in America today. I just

944
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: think that should probably get a little bit more attention,

945
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: don't you, Maybe just a bit, maybe, just a little

946
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 1: more attention. The freedom hunt rocks online too. You can

947
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: hang out with Team buck anytime. Plus get plus the

948
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: latest news and analysis slowed up buck Sexton dot com,

949
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: buck Sexton dot com. That's buck Sexton dot com. Shields High.

950
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Speaker 1: We shouldn't think that the debates over free speech are

951
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: are limited to this country. In fact, our brethren are

952
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters uh from Land down Under in Australia.

953
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: They have their own fights over there, literally their own

954
00:58:57,720 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: fights over this. I don't know how many of you

955
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: caught this earlier. Today. We will put the clip up

956
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: on um buck Sexton dot com so you can check

957
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 1: it out there. UM, So we will, we'll have it up.

958
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: We'll have up the video for you because you really

959
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: need to see the video of this, at least I

960
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: think so. Um. But the video of it is of

961
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: a couple of people who are part of the Antifa

962
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: and they are attacking. They are attacking columnist Andrew Bolt.

963
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: And here is how that went for them. Let's play

964
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: the audio, please, what are you doing? Go? So they're

965
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: they're yelling, there's some some dishes thrown around. There's a problem.

966
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: You had to Antifa thugs um who came out and

967
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: who attacked this guy and they videotaped it themselves, I

968
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: should note, because they were trying to make a point

969
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 1: about how this guy who's a conservative and write stuff

970
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 1: about about Trump, um they want to shut him down.

971
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Speaker 1: He's a commentator for Sky News and a columnist for

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Speaker 1: the Harald Son. This was in Melbourne, Australia. So he

973
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: was attacked. They sprayed him with liquid that contained some

974
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Speaker 1: die and glitter and and tried to punch him and

975
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: tried to pummel this guy on video, which is appalling

976
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: on so many levels. Rights two on one, it's an ambush.

977
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Speaker 1: This guy has done nothing wrong. He's just walking down

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Speaker 1: the street. He's fifty seven. The whole thing. It's just

979
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: I don't know a lot of you guys listening to

980
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: fifty seven or like I would have annihilated these punks,

981
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: and I know you would have, but this guy is

982
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: a columnist that he's fifty seven, you know, so it's

983
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: not like he's not like a retired marine. So I'm

984
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 1: just saying, but hey, he put up quite a fight.

985
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 1: Uh he he did. I was I was proud of

986
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 1: this guy in this in this scuffle. You know, it's

987
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: a very until you've you know, the very famous Mike

988
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: Tyson quote. Everyone has a plan, everyone has a strategy

989
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: or whatever is. Everyone has a plan until they're punched

990
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: in the face. Until you've been punched in the face,

991
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: you can't know what it's like to have that moment

992
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: of where where it kind of hits you, all of

993
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: us kind of hits you, where you have that jolt

994
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: of adrenaline and oh my gosh, I've just been hit,

995
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 1: or I've just been attacked, or someone's just you know,

996
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 1: pushed me. Um. But instead and people who has nothing

997
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 1: to do with anything other than just there, whether they're

998
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 1: able to react or not, because your body can kind

999
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: of freeze up for a second. But uh, your fight

1000
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,919
Speaker 1: or flight response kicks in. And this guy went fight.

1001
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: I mean, he throws, he throws down, he gets in

1002
01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 1: some good shots. Unfortunately, they landed some shots on him too.

1003
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: But he got right in there and he was definitely

1004
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: more than they bargained for. Andrew Bolt down in Australia,

1005
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 1: down in Melbourne. This is by the way, in broad daylight,

1006
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 1: and it was right outside of a an Italian restaurant

1007
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 1: where both was scheduled. According to National View. Here to

1008
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: help launch The Art of the Impossible, a blog history

1009
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Speaker 1: of the election of Donald J. Trump as President, a

1010
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: new book by university professor Stephen Kates. Okay, so, uh,

1011
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 1: both delivered his speech, by the way, after this whole

1012
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: assault happened, this videotape assault happened. And he's going to

1013
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 1: auction off the suit that was ruined in the attack.

1014
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: He's going to give any proceeds from the ruined suit

1015
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 1: two Very Special Kids, which is a local children's hospice charity.

1016
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: So this guy's kicking butt and trying to help out

1017
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 1: help out kids a kid's charity nearby. I mean, this

1018
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,080
Speaker 1: guy is awesome. I mean I gotta follow him on

1019
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 1: Twitter and start reading his columns. And I mean, this

1020
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: guy has has made a fan out of me just

1021
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: with this one whole situation here. Um, and he wrote

1022
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 1: why I why I punched, and why I don't want

1023
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:15,439
Speaker 1: your sympathy and the Herald's son your apologies for making

1024
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 1: a deal about punching a protester. But there's a reason

1025
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: for me doing this. We must intimidate and humiliate the

1026
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 1: enemies of free speech and not let them intimidate and

1027
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 1: humiliate us. Like I I completely agree. Uh. This is

1028
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 1: by the way that this in the same in a

1029
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 1: in a similar fashion to how we often talk about

1030
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 1: the desire of well within the Islamic community, there are

1031
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:47,680
Speaker 1: some who will battle back at the ideology of Islamism.

1032
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 1: Forget about jihadism and terrorism, just Islamism. Too many people,

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01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 1: it seems to me, in some countries and at sometimes

1034
01:03:56,320 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 1: allow there to be more hardline talk than is healthy

1035
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 1: in a society. Right Islam is a meaning political Islam,

1036
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: and we always say, look, it needs to be a

1037
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: conversation from within. The democrats in this country need to

1038
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,959
Speaker 1: have a conversation from within on free speech, because right now,

1039
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: the progressive vanguard, the tip of the of the left

1040
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 1: wing spear, so to speak, is anti speech. This is

1041
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: not a this is not a phenomenon that is limited

1042
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:34,760
Speaker 1: just the college campuses. They try this with speech codes

1043
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 1: on well on campus, of course, but also with the

1044
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 1: regulation of workplace speech and with trying to use the

1045
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 1: transgender rights issue as a means of instituting laws about

1046
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 1: which pronouns even can be used. You know, I had

1047
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:52,760
Speaker 1: to have the discussion we said, with a friend of mine,

1048
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 1: and I don't I was serious. I said, look, I'm

1049
01:04:55,760 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 1: all for I'm all for being a warrior for truth,

1050
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,919
Speaker 1: but I also can't get fired because then I will

1051
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 1: just get it. You know that. Then I'm a warrior

1052
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:08,919
Speaker 1: for nothing. I'm on my spare time talking about stuff

1053
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: to people I don't know. I don't have a platform,

1054
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 1: and I's gonna hear me. So when it comes to

1055
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:17,800
Speaker 1: the pronoun usage outside the confines of my show, am

1056
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: I am I now obligated under pain of lawsuit to

1057
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: refer to someone to an individual, let's say as they.

1058
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 1: And if I refuse to say that a singular individual

1059
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 1: because of a transgender a transgender, are we not allowed

1060
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: to say preference? We have to say identity. Now, isn't

1061
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 1: that interesting? It is a preference, But a preference shows

1062
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 1: that it's just a state of mind, and a state

1063
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: of mind is not a profound enough case, so they

1064
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: say instead that it's an it's identity. It's who you are,

1065
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:53,640
Speaker 1: it's not how you think you are. That's what they

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Speaker 1: That's part of how they take us along on this

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Speaker 1: progressive journey here, right, That's how the transformation of language

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Speaker 1: happens and perception along with it. But if they want

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Speaker 1: me to say they and I don't say they, do

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Speaker 1: I then open myself up to harassment allegations? Am I? Now? Possibly?

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Speaker 1: Kind of? Could I be sued in the workplace for that?

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Speaker 1: And I think the answer to this, if you, if

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Speaker 1: you were to ask the editorial board of the New

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Speaker 1: York Times or even the Huffing the Post, or certainly

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Speaker 1: the Nation or any of these places, is yes. I

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Speaker 1: think they believe that that would be now covered under

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Speaker 1: that that's a form of discrimination. Now legally, could I

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Speaker 1: could I fight back against it based on what the

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Speaker 1: loss is? Right now? Maybe? But sexual orientation is gender

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Speaker 1: identity now part of the sexual orientation categorization. You can

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Speaker 1: see how we are heading down. We're heading down the

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Speaker 1: road here where it's not going to be a political

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Speaker 1: discussion anymore. It's going to be a mandate. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: be forced to say things that you don't think are true,

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Speaker 1: that you know to be factually untrue, but you will

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Speaker 1: have to bow at the altar of political correctness or else.

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Speaker 1: I I sit here, and I wonder alowed to you?

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Speaker 1: How long do we how long do we have left? Uh?

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Speaker 1: The right to be offensive? If you can't be offensive,

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Speaker 1: it should be noted you can't actually have a You

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Speaker 1: can't have political debate because someone will always be defended

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Speaker 1: by offended by a real political discussion. So if you

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Speaker 1: have a right not to be offended, then I no

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Speaker 1: longer have a right. Not you, but you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean the general you. If one has

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Speaker 1: a right not to be offended, I no longer have

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Speaker 1: a right to express my point of view. If I

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Speaker 1: know I have a no longer have a right to

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Speaker 1: express my point of view, then free speech is dead.

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Speaker 1: A free speech is dead in this country. Do we

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Speaker 1: really have liberty? The answer is no. We have a

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Speaker 1: much more tenuous grasp of our own freedoms in this

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Speaker 1: country right now that I think a vast majority of

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Speaker 1: the American people really are aware of in their day

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Speaker 1: to day because it is happening slowly but consistently. They

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Speaker 1: are eroding and we aren't even noticing. And it's happening

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Speaker 1: in Australia too. Welcome back, everybody. Let's step aside from

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Speaker 1: the Komi partisan food fight today and talk a bit

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Speaker 1: about what's going on in the world of national security

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Speaker 1: outside our borders. To help us with that, we're joined

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Speaker 1: by our friend Michael Pregent. He's an adjunct fellow at

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Speaker 1: the Hudson Institute. He spent twenty eight years in the

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Speaker 1: military and intelligence communities. He's a former paratrooper. Great to

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Speaker 1: have you, Mike. Thanks for joining us again. Hey, thanks

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Speaker 1: for having appreciate it. All right, let's start with what's

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Speaker 1: going on in and around Rock. Seems like we're in

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Speaker 1: the final stages here of taking the Islamic States de

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Speaker 1: facto capital away from it. Yeah. So, so the Rocket

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Speaker 1: situation lines up like this, So it's about two civilians

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Speaker 1: and Rocca and three to four thousand ISIS fighters there

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Speaker 1: a thirty five thousand man force is IS approaching. The

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Speaker 1: problem is that force, again, like Iraq, is not made

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Speaker 1: up of Sunnis from Syria. It's it's primarily led by

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Speaker 1: the YPG, a Kurtish force that has shown on occasion

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Speaker 1: to the opportunist and we're actually wondering once they secure

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Speaker 1: Rocca when they simply give it back to Assad. And

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Speaker 1: that's a concern. Our focus is so heavily weighted on

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Speaker 1: taking territory away and not so much about keeping that

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Speaker 1: territory from ices in the future. How is this fight

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Speaker 1: going to go? By the way, it's taken a long time.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about Mozilla in a second. But

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Speaker 1: where it seems the the force that is anti ISIS

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Speaker 1: is much more established and capable on the Iraqi side

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Speaker 1: of the equation than it is right now on the

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Speaker 1: Syrian side. But is and Rocca probably better defended and

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Speaker 1: with more ISIS fighters than even Mozo was. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I just want to get your sense of what our

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Speaker 1: expectations should be for the actual retaking of the Islamic

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Speaker 1: States capital well in this case, and you're you're you're

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Speaker 1: exactly right. It's it's been fortified for a longer time.

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Speaker 1: It's it's one of the one of the first places

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Speaker 1: that ISIS is able to control, and they've been able

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Speaker 1: to conduct the majority of their planning operations out of

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Speaker 1: that area, that being Rocca and the resort Uh. The

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Speaker 1: issue here is what's different about Rocca and Moms. They

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Speaker 1: told the population to stay in place. In Rocca, they're

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Speaker 1: telling the population to leave. So once again a strategy

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Speaker 1: where US works with ground forces that are not from

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Speaker 1: the area we are. We are providing air support to

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Speaker 1: a ground force that's telling the locals to leave, meaning

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Speaker 1: we're exiting in the town. UM. In this case, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if we're gonna rubble it because we don't

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Speaker 1: we don't have the Iraqi military and Shia militias like

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Speaker 1: they like they do in Iraq basically launching rockets and

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Speaker 1: coude munitions towards the city. In this case, it's it

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Speaker 1: will be US munitions, so that is a good thing. Um.

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Speaker 1: The Rocca offensive is interesting in that at the same

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Speaker 1: time the US is working with anti ISIS forces in Rocca,

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Speaker 1: we're also having to deal with Iraqi Shia militias coming

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Speaker 1: over from Iraq into Syria and pushing on our bases

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Speaker 1: down south, our joint basis where we're training anti SIST fighters,

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Speaker 1: such as the area of Altanta. And that's an instant

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Speaker 1: So in one case, you're working with Iraqi militias in

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Speaker 1: Iraq to go into Sunni cities, and the other case

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Speaker 1: you're actually targeting them as they approach on a force,

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Speaker 1: your training to fight ISIS, it's, it's, it's it's really

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Speaker 1: interesting dynamic. We're speaking to Michael Pregan. He's a former

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Speaker 1: paratrooper and military intelligence officer. Uh, Mike, I wanted to

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Speaker 1: get into what's going on in Mosle. Now that's been

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Speaker 1: a campaign that's been ongoing for months. It seems like

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Speaker 1: we are in the final stages here. What comes next?

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Speaker 1: In and tell us about your concern about she A militias.

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Speaker 1: For those listening, well, here's if anybody looks at the

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Speaker 1: strategy going back or I would ask people to look

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Speaker 1: at the strategy going back to two thousand fourteen, where

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Speaker 1: we've cleared Fallujah Ramadi to crete and other areas those areas,

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Speaker 1: ISIS is still able to conduct attacks in those areas.

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Speaker 1: The strategy has been based on replacing an ISIS flag

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Speaker 1: within the rocky flag and calling its success. That never

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Speaker 1: worked when we were in Iraq working with the Iraqi military.

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Speaker 1: You didn't simply clear an area once and have it

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Speaker 1: remain that way. A kata was always able to come back.

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Speaker 1: So my concern is that is as the shew militias

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Speaker 1: gained primacy through this operation, that they are going to

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Speaker 1: call ISIS defeated in Iraq and start moving towards Syria

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Speaker 1: like they've said, and then ISIS would be able to

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Speaker 1: conduct these high profile profile attacks and bad get another

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Speaker 1: is forcing them to come back. So the threat of

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Speaker 1: a once again a sectarian civil war looms over everything

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Speaker 1: that's going on in Iraq. Just can you get people

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Speaker 1: some background when they hear Shia militia what does that mean?

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Speaker 1: I mean who controls them? What are they comprised of?

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Speaker 1: Why do they matter in Iraq? Well, they matter because

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Speaker 1: they're outside of the control of the government. They'll do

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Speaker 1: what the government wants when they agree with the government,

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Speaker 1: they'll say no when they don't. They disagree with the

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Speaker 1: government more often. Um, they are basically funded by Iran's

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Speaker 1: KULDS force, the Iar. Do you see their leaders where

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Speaker 1: Homany patches and Homany patches they they work for customs selmony.

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Speaker 1: Now I do want to st caveat that with excuse me,

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Speaker 1: with Sistani's call for action, where hundred thousand Shia volunteers

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Speaker 1: wanted to find ISIS and they rolled into what people

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Speaker 1: called the popular Mobilization units. There was no commanding control

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Speaker 1: framework for them to roll up under under so what

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Speaker 1: they did is they rolled up under existing Iranian controlled

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Speaker 1: Shia militias, and those leaders are standing to do well

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Speaker 1: in the two thousand eighteen elections. Those leaders are saying

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Speaker 1: that they're going to Syria to not to fight Isis,

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Speaker 1: but to keep us ought in power, so that means

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Speaker 1: they'll be fighting us back to rebels. So so everyone,

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Speaker 1: so I think this is important and everyone should keep

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Speaker 1: this in mind that one of the most capable ground

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Speaker 1: forces in Iraq right now is a sectarian or our

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Speaker 1: sectarian Shia paramilitaries who are outside the direct control of

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Speaker 1: the government in Baghdad, take orders from Iran and feel

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Speaker 1: like they can just head across the border to Syria

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Speaker 1: to help out the Assad regime if they so choose,

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Speaker 1: if they're so directed, actually and in some cases exactly

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Speaker 1: if they so cheer. Is actually the most capable show

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Speaker 1: of militia in Iraq are the Shia militias wearing the

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Speaker 1: uniform of the Iraqi security forces working with us. And

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Speaker 1: that is something we don't talk about. Shia militias aren't

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Speaker 1: simply in the hostel shabby or the popular mobilization units.

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Speaker 1: They're actually in the Ministry of Interior in the Federal police,

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Speaker 1: in the Rapid Response Units, the Emergency Response Units, and

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Speaker 1: the Iraqi military has become a SIA force. Are they

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Speaker 1: all sectarian? No, but are their leaders in key positions sectarian? Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: The Sooners are paying attention, the courage are paying attention.

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Speaker 1: And even though we ignore that, it can't it can't,

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Speaker 1: it can't change that dynamic. Michael Pregan is an adjunct

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Speaker 1: felt the Hudson Institute twenty eight years. The mint in

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Speaker 1: the military and Intel Communities is a former paratrooper. Check

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Speaker 1: them out on Twitter at mp pregent, Sir Michael. Great

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Speaker 1: to have you, Hey, thanks Puck, I appreciate it. Team.

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Speaker 1: We are going to be hitting a quick break here.

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Speaker 1: It's more of America now. Throwing your two cents one

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Speaker 1: eight four four nine hundred buck. That's one eight four

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Speaker 1: four nine hundred to eight to five. Yeah, before we

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Speaker 1: kick off today, and we are going to pause just

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Speaker 1: for a moment to remember the two young Australian women

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Speaker 1: who so tragically lost their lives in the recent terror

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Speaker 1: attacks in London. The tragic ebance that took place is

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Speaker 1: not the last Saturday nine. We stopped to remember all

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Speaker 1: the lives lost, all those families of prints expected by

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Speaker 1: this sterical tragedy, and in particular we replaced on the

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Speaker 1: loss of two young Australian women living and working in London.

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Speaker 1: That was earlier today at a soccer match between the

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Speaker 1: national team of Saudi Arabia and the national team of Australia,

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Speaker 1: and there was, as you heard, a moment of silence

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Speaker 1: called for before the game uh in remembrance of the

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Speaker 1: victims of the horrific terrorist attack in London, which included

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Speaker 1: two young Australian women. Um, this attack is still I mean,

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Speaker 1: the psychological wounds are are still fresh in everyone's minds

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Speaker 1: that were there, and certainly all of us around the

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Speaker 1: world are still in a state of horror and shock

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Speaker 1: whenever we think about this. And it has crossed my

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Speaker 1: mind many times since that initial forty eight hours of

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Speaker 1: news coverage and the Saudi team snubbed this moment of silence,

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Speaker 1: just decided that they weren't going to do it. And

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Speaker 1: they have to understand the way that looks right. They

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Speaker 1: said before the game, this was not an accident. There

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Speaker 1: was nothing lost in translation here. They decided they would

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Speaker 1: not honor that moment of silence, so they kept on

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Speaker 1: walking around, stretching, doing whatever they were doing. Some of

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Speaker 1: them were seated, while the rest of the stadium was

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Speaker 1: standing silent, and the Australian team was all standing together

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Speaker 1: in silence and paying their respects. What are the Saudis

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Speaker 1: thinking here? The Saudis, by the way, it should note,

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Speaker 1: offered up that this was not a part of their culture.

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Speaker 1: And that's how they were defending this. They were saying,

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Speaker 1: this is not a part of their culture, and so

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01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:58,680
Speaker 1: they just won't do it. And I'm left to sit

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01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 1: and say to myself, hold on, minute, isn't respect for

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Speaker 1: the recently deceased, in this case, the recently murdered? This

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01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:10,720
Speaker 1: is cross cultural, isn't it? A moment of silence is

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01:19:10,720 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 1: something that we can all, no matter what part of

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01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:15,280
Speaker 1: the world we're in, no matter who we are, we

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01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 1: could all respect just to just to have have a

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01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 1: moment and let me you know, this isn't asking anyone

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Speaker 1: to bend the knee or say a prayer. And invet,

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01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 1: it's just can we just pay respect for a second? Uh?

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Speaker 1: And and is there Isn't this not one of the

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01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 1: most basic forms of human respect that we know of, right,

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01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:38,720
Speaker 1: respect for the dead? This, this shouldn't be controversial. Why

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Speaker 1: would the saudiast refuse to just stand in soundce for

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Speaker 1: literally a minute or a moment, a moment of silence. Nope,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it, said, they're working, not not

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01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:53,760
Speaker 1: a part of their culture. Oh isn't that interesting? You know?

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Speaker 1: I am often reminded in the circumstances of a story

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Speaker 1: that was told to me by a friend who was

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Speaker 1: in Cairo when the movie The Kingdom came out. And

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Speaker 1: in that movie The Kingdom, there is a scene it

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01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:14,639
Speaker 1: takes place in Saudi Arabia, um and in the beginning

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01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:18,080
Speaker 1: of the movie, there are Americans who around an oil compound,

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01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 1: just civilians, people who were trying to earn a living

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01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 1: working as expats in Saudi Arabia, and there's a terrible

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01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 1: terrorist attack where they're driving around and there's a there's

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01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 1: a softball game of just of Americans who are working

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01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:35,720
Speaker 1: in Saudi Arabia and they're being shot up by uh

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01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:40,040
Speaker 1: jihadist Saudi terrorists with machine guns and you know, with

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01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 1: s and there's explosives and the whole it's just it's

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01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 1: a terrible I mean, it's a terrifying scene. And my

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01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:50,000
Speaker 1: friend said that when he was in Egypt and that

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01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 1: scene came on and you have people, men, women and

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01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:54,960
Speaker 1: children are being mowed down at the beginning of a movie.

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01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 1: He said, the entire theater stood up and clapped and

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01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 1: we're cheering as a Americans were being shot down left

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01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:05,600
Speaker 1: and right. Now. I know it's a movie, and I

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01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 1: know that the defenders of all things the Islamic world

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01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:13,880
Speaker 1: would say that this is an anecdote. I wasn't there,

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01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:16,640
Speaker 1: and you know, way, this is a friend that I

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01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:18,719
Speaker 1: know and I know and trust, and there's no reason

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01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:22,720
Speaker 1: for him to a lie to me about this. This

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01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 1: to me, was not some tiny, minor incident. I think

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01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:30,640
Speaker 1: it was a window into a much broader mindset. And

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01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:34,560
Speaker 1: I think that there is um more commonly in the

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01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:39,840
Speaker 1: Muslim world than anybody wants to speak about in the West. Uh.

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01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 1: There is an underlying disdain and hatred for non Muslims.

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01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:49,559
Speaker 1: I think that that's I'm not saying everybody, but you

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01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 1: know what, why is it that in America we can

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01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 1: always be told about how well one political party is

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01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:59,639
Speaker 1: islamophobic and hates Muslims and is so islamophobic and that's

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01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:02,120
Speaker 1: a con discussion, but we are never allowed to discuss,

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01:22:02,160 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 1: you know, is there is there not? Is there prejudice

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01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:08,960
Speaker 1: from Muslims against non Muslims? Is that a? Is that

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01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 1: a widespread sentiment? That doesn't mean that all Muslims. I'm

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01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:14,759
Speaker 1: not casting as versions on everybody who's in the faith,

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01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 1: but if it's a problem in our own society, which

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01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 1: is much more tolerant and much more liberal and much

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01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:24,599
Speaker 1: more moral than any of these Muslim countries out there,

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01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 1: that many Americans, if you believe the left, have a

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01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 1: problem with Muslims just because why is it such a

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01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 1: leap to think that there are probably a lot of

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01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 1: Muslims out there who have a problem with particularly non

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01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 1: Muslim Western Christians and Jews? Is that a? Is that

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01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:48,479
Speaker 1: a leap? Now, maybe the Saudi lack of respect has

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01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 1: nothing to do with that, but I do keep an

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01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:54,719
Speaker 1: eye out for these indicators, and I'm not as quick

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01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 1: to sweep it all aside and pretend that there's nothing

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01:22:57,080 --> 01:23:00,160
Speaker 1: to this. There's a lot of other folks are uh I.

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01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:02,880
Speaker 1: I do think that this is one of the discussions

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01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:05,679
Speaker 1: that should be had in our time, but never is

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01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:11,599
Speaker 1: allowed to be had, and that is prejudice of the

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01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 1: Islamic community against non Muslims. Do we ever get to

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01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 1: talk about this? Is this a topic we're allowed to

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01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 1: broach or no? Every everyone just runs away all of

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01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 1: a sudden because what happened at this soccer game just

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01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:29,240
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. It just doesn't smell right. They could have

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01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:31,599
Speaker 1: they could have done this. Maybe they were worried about

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01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 1: what people back in Saudi would think. What does that say.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take quick break your team, We'll be back

1358
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:40,719
Speaker 1: and we're gonna switch up and take a lighter topics.

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Speaker 1: Stay with him, Welcome back team. Remember we were discussing

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01:23:51,040 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 1: yesterday that unfortunate situation that played out in Philadelphia on

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01:23:56,560 --> 01:24:00,519
Speaker 1: the street with a reporter who said terror dorble things

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01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:03,160
Speaker 1: to a police officer, was on video cursing, acting like

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01:24:03,200 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 1: a maniac, tried to spit on somebody on video and

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01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 1: kept saying that everyone hates the cops, which one is

1365
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 1: not true. Actually in America, we really like our police

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01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 1: uh and and to um usually just for the purposes

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01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:23,160
Speaker 1: of uh not being a moron. You don't want to

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01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 1: be screaming in the cops face. How much everyone hates cops.

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01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:29,200
Speaker 1: That's a bad idea. That woman was fired and now she's,

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Speaker 1: as I understand it, more or less, in some form

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01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 1: of hiding because of all the threat she's getting. UM.

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01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 1: But the lesson that we took from that, and it's

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01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 1: one that's repeated over and over, is when we live

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01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 1: in this era of uh constant possible surveillance, you gotta

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01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:51,719
Speaker 1: watch what you say and do in public. And sure enough,

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01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:55,559
Speaker 1: in Brussels we got a guy who I believe is

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01:24:55,640 --> 01:25:00,120
Speaker 1: videotaping it himself, videotaping the encounter, thinking that he's in

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01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:02,720
Speaker 1: the rights. Well, let me give you a little bit

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01:25:02,760 --> 01:25:06,680
Speaker 1: of what went on here. So he he was, I

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01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:08,680
Speaker 1: don't know. Ryan Air has a policy where you have

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01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:10,320
Speaker 1: to print out the boarding pass and bring it to

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01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 1: the gate, and if you don't, you have to buy

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01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:14,519
Speaker 1: a new ticket take its like fifty bucks. So yeah,

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01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 1: it's it's annoying, and that's that's money. But it's it's

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01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:18,720
Speaker 1: not the end of the world. It's not like when

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01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 1: you you know, you think that your your flight is

1387
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 1: canceled or you miss a flight and a new flight

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01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 1: is gonna cost you a thousand dollars the same day.

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01:25:25,320 --> 01:25:29,320
Speaker 1: But nonetheless, Uh, this guy thinks that he shouldn't have

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01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 1: to deal with this. Ryan Air is a cheap European airline.

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01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 1: It's like the very very cheap flights is their whole thing.

1392
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:40,080
Speaker 1: So he goes up to this airline worker and this

1393
01:25:40,120 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 1: is how he addresses her. What kind of customer service

1394
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:47,479
Speaker 1: do you think you're providing for Ryan Air? Right now? Right?

1395
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 1: You tell me the wait, then you tell me I

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01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:50,559
Speaker 1: have to pay fifty euros for a flight that I'm

1397
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:58,160
Speaker 1: already checked in on. Absolutely ridiculous, ridiculous. Now, this guy

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01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 1: continues to harass this airport worker for quite some time. Uh,

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01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:07,200
Speaker 1: and he's he's videotaping in and he just keeps on

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01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:10,759
Speaker 1: and she's trying to ignore him, and and he won't stop,

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01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 1: and saying, you know you're in customer service. I'm a customer,

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01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:14,639
Speaker 1: you have to deal with me. But he's being really

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01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 1: belligerent and aggressive, and sure enough, Um, a bystander, and

1404
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:22,759
Speaker 1: by the way, the bye whenever the bystander gets involved,

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01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 1: you know that it's gonna get ugly real fast. A

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01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:30,720
Speaker 1: bystander in the situation. By the way, this is all

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01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 1: the New York Post is where I saw this this club.

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01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 1: The bystander decides to get involved, and here's how that goes.

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01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:45,760
Speaker 1: Right on. I'm a customer. I'm customer, mine own business, baldy,

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01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:49,720
Speaker 1: mind your own business. Go sit on on, man, sit on, go,

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01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 1: sit on man. I live here, I'm here. What's your right, everybody,

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01:26:56,600 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 1: Just everybody, I'm a customer here. Man to me, let

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01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 1: me go to me. Just so, Yeah, not exactly, not

1414
01:27:08,600 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 1: exactly de escalating uh the situation. Um, this guy, I

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01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 1: don't think he's been I didn't see him anywhere in

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01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 1: here being identified. Um. So this is what I'm looking

1417
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 1: at this piece. And it seems like, you know, there's

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01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:29,439
Speaker 1: no way that this guy is such a bully and

1419
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 1: he's being so mean. Um, it seems like people are

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01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just like are we getting more

1421
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:45,200
Speaker 1: uh demanding and and our our manners just all out

1422
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:48,240
Speaker 1: the window these days? Um, you know, I I so

1423
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:50,679
Speaker 1: this video, this guy, I don't know much about it

1424
01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:52,840
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like it's identified. And I don't know who

1425
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:54,719
Speaker 1: this guy is, but he's really mean to this woman.

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01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:56,599
Speaker 1: And now, of course one of these clips is going around.

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01:27:57,320 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 1: Interesting that he was videotaping it himself from from what

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01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:01,760
Speaker 1: I could tell him the video. You know, I had

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01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:04,880
Speaker 1: a situation recently where I went to UH. I went

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01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 1: to a meal at a restaurant in New York City

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01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:12,160
Speaker 1: that I and it's owned by a restaurateur that I

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01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:13,840
Speaker 1: have been you know, I've been to many of his

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01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:16,800
Speaker 1: places over all the years, and I rarely do this.

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01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:19,880
Speaker 1: But the UH, the fire alarm went off in the

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01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:21,720
Speaker 1: middle of the meal. So for about five minutes, we

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01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 1: had the shrieking alarm and also the strobe lights going off,

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01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 1: and the restaurant was very expensive. I was meeting a

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01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 1: friend there. We were going to talk about well, mostly

1439
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:35,719
Speaker 1: business actually, and the the alarms going off and the

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01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:39,000
Speaker 1: the the server staff, and I'm sympathetic for this. The

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01:28:39,080 --> 01:28:43,080
Speaker 1: server staff um made the decision to just act like

1442
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:45,639
Speaker 1: there wasn't an actual fire alarm. I mean, it's clearly

1443
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:48,759
Speaker 1: a false alarm, but that the strobe lights and instead

1444
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 1: of coming over and saying we're dealing with it. Everybody.

1445
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 1: They just were like, can I get you some more coffee? Um,

1446
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:57,080
Speaker 1: which is fine, but it was a little on unsettling,

1447
01:28:57,160 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 1: I think, given what was going on. So, because as

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01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:02,559
Speaker 1: I have known this restaurant group for a long time

1449
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:05,080
Speaker 1: as a as a native New Yorker, and because I

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01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:07,840
Speaker 1: usually think that they do such a great job, I

1451
01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:11,040
Speaker 1: and I never do this, so I this is the

1452
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:12,360
Speaker 1: first I can tell you this the first time. I

1453
01:29:12,360 --> 01:29:16,799
Speaker 1: don't write Yelp reviews. I don't know. If I do content,

1454
01:29:17,160 --> 01:29:19,679
Speaker 1: I like to be paid for it, So I don't

1455
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:22,839
Speaker 1: do yell reviews. I don't do all that kind of stuff. Um.

1456
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:25,280
Speaker 1: But this is the first time I think I can

1457
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:30,879
Speaker 1: ever remember having written a restaurant just to say, you guys,

1458
01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:34,480
Speaker 1: you're over You know, for what you're serving, your overpriced,

1459
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:36,519
Speaker 1: your menu needs a ton of work, and the dishes

1460
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:39,600
Speaker 1: you served were unacceptable. And but I went through it

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01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:43,880
Speaker 1: in a calm, polite, reasoned fashion. I and but it

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01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,600
Speaker 1: was a very famous the restaurateur who I was. It

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01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:49,840
Speaker 1: was a very famous restaurantur uh. Now I didn't go

1464
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:51,560
Speaker 1: to him directly. I went to the management on the

1465
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:54,679
Speaker 1: specific restaurant where I had the issue, but I was polite.

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01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:58,680
Speaker 1: I said, I'm I'm a longtime fan of what this

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01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:01,360
Speaker 1: restaurant group stands for and what you guys have been doing,

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01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:04,720
Speaker 1: and I just would like to see uh some of

1469
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:08,840
Speaker 1: these issues addressed. And I was very disappointed, and it

1470
01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:10,559
Speaker 1: is a shame because this is a place I would

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01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 1: like to go do again in the future. Right. One

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01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:14,800
Speaker 1: thing I've learned is whenever you come at one of

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01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:18,400
Speaker 1: these problems of customer service, which is really what we're

1474
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:21,240
Speaker 1: talking about, and you come at it from a I'm

1475
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:24,480
Speaker 1: trying to be helpful and I'm ultimately on your team

1476
01:30:24,720 --> 01:30:29,280
Speaker 1: UH service provider perspective, if there's any prayer of you

1477
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:33,840
Speaker 1: getting a good response from them, then it might actually happen, right.

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01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:35,679
Speaker 1: I mean, sometimes it doesn't matter what you do. Sometimes

1479
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:38,599
Speaker 1: the chef will say you know, blank you and the

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01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:40,680
Speaker 1: you know and get out of here. You know, they

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01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:44,200
Speaker 1: don't care. But in this case, I wrote them this,

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01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 1: uh this email over the weekend, and I was surprised.

1483
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:51,280
Speaker 1: Yesterday I received phone calls. They asked if they could

1484
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:53,640
Speaker 1: contact me, and I figured that that was pro forma

1485
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:57,920
Speaker 1: that I received phone calls and UH the based on

1486
01:30:57,960 --> 01:31:01,320
Speaker 1: my email, which I will say was was well written.

1487
01:31:02,240 --> 01:31:05,880
Speaker 1: I had the the managing director of the or the

1488
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:08,000
Speaker 1: uh yeah, well, I guess the the managing director of

1489
01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:11,920
Speaker 1: the restaurant group or of the restaurant itself. I forget now,

1490
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:15,240
Speaker 1: but the executive chef of a celebrated restaurant in New

1491
01:31:15,320 --> 01:31:19,160
Speaker 1: York City yesterday got on the phone with me to

1492
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:21,880
Speaker 1: discuss the menu a little bit. You know, we aren't,

1493
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:24,599
Speaker 1: I understand, wanted to talk about my concerns and now

1494
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:29,080
Speaker 1: do I think that this very very famous? By the way,

1495
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:31,080
Speaker 1: if they were jerks, I would be naming the restaurant.

1496
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 1: But they were very respectful, and they were uh, they

1497
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:37,639
Speaker 1: were incredibly professional and uh. All in all, I think

1498
01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:39,960
Speaker 1: it was. It was a positive exchange in a positive response.

1499
01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:43,880
Speaker 1: Do I think that the executive chef, who probably trained

1500
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 1: in culinary school for many for you know, well not

1501
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:47,919
Speaker 1: many years, but for a few years, and then apprentice

1502
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:49,839
Speaker 1: for many years as a chef to become the executive

1503
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:57,960
Speaker 1: chef of a of a famous flagship restaurant group establishment, Um,

1504
01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:00,760
Speaker 1: do I think that he really cares that I disagree

1505
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:03,439
Speaker 1: with some of his menu offerings, that I think that

1506
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:07,120
Speaker 1: a a fried chicken liver sandwich as a main menu

1507
01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:10,240
Speaker 1: item is probably a bit too much of a there's

1508
01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:12,120
Speaker 1: too much of a small market for that. No, I

1509
01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:13,639
Speaker 1: don't think that he cares what I had to say

1510
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:16,080
Speaker 1: about that. That I said that as a Celiac, the

1511
01:32:16,120 --> 01:32:20,960
Speaker 1: restaurant was the menu was particularly daunting and not very accommodating.

1512
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:23,680
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll take some sentence of that into account, but

1513
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:26,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've all had this experience too, right where

1514
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:28,599
Speaker 1: you're in a place and you know, you know everyone's trying,

1515
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:30,960
Speaker 1: and you don't want to be you don't want to

1516
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:32,519
Speaker 1: be me, you don't wanna be a jerk. But you

1517
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:34,840
Speaker 1: also have your paying for something, and you have a

1518
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:37,920
Speaker 1: certain level of expectation, and if you treat everyone with

1519
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:41,880
Speaker 1: one with respect, you expect to be treated with respect

1520
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:44,400
Speaker 1: in return, And you can have a civil and even

1521
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 1: constructive dialogue with people who are otherwise strangers but are

1522
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:51,479
Speaker 1: providing you with some kind of a service. I just

1523
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:53,800
Speaker 1: have to laugh and think, you know, part of this

1524
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:55,839
Speaker 1: is that I know that when I write that email,

1525
01:32:56,840 --> 01:33:00,680
Speaker 1: I am representing myself and I can't and you know

1526
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:04,240
Speaker 1: that that I can't go off on some crazy tangent

1527
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:07,240
Speaker 1: and say really rude and inappropriate things to them and

1528
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:11,320
Speaker 1: everything else. UM, But I think now it's we should

1529
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 1: all be in that mode where we have a sense

1530
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:20,639
Speaker 1: that every interaction we have, if it's not recorded, now

1531
01:33:21,120 --> 01:33:23,679
Speaker 1: we're probably best off to act like it is, meaning,

1532
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:26,439
Speaker 1: you know what, whether we're arguing with and look, I

1533
01:33:26,439 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 1: I at some level sympathize with the guy arguing at

1534
01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:33,599
Speaker 1: the ticket counter, because who hasn't been incredibly frustrated before

1535
01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:36,680
Speaker 1: when dealing with, you know, service with an airline. I mean,

1536
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:39,160
Speaker 1: I've I have almost lost it, and I'm a pretty

1537
01:33:39,160 --> 01:33:42,800
Speaker 1: patient guy dealing with airlines. But he he was being

1538
01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:46,080
Speaker 1: he was being abrasive and and he was being intentionally

1539
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:50,200
Speaker 1: aggressive and uh and really honestly a little bit threatening

1540
01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:53,519
Speaker 1: to that woman. And there's just never an excuse for that. Um.

1541
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:57,520
Speaker 1: And I just think that it's interesting to see that exchange.

1542
01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:00,519
Speaker 1: And then I think about my very polite but firm

1543
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:03,240
Speaker 1: email about what I thought were deficiencies at an incredibly

1544
01:34:03,240 --> 01:34:05,920
Speaker 1: famous and well established restaurant here in New York City,

1545
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:09,639
Speaker 1: And in response, I got the executive chef perfectly cordial.

1546
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:11,559
Speaker 1: We had a nice discussion. I'm just some stranger who

1547
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:12,960
Speaker 1: went to his restaurant. He's on the phone with me

1548
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:15,800
Speaker 1: talking about it, and it also reminded me of how

1549
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:19,439
Speaker 1: I view my interactions with with Team Buck. I always

1550
01:34:19,479 --> 01:34:22,840
Speaker 1: I love it when people write me, you know, with

1551
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:25,720
Speaker 1: ideas or in you know, in good faith, or like

1552
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:27,200
Speaker 1: I need more of this or less of this on

1553
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:29,760
Speaker 1: the show, and I read all of it as it

1554
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:33,400
Speaker 1: comes in, especially on Facebook. I can't always respond because

1555
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:35,559
Speaker 1: there are hundreds and hundreds I mean now thousands and

1556
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:38,639
Speaker 1: thousands of messages over time. Uh, and it just takes

1557
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:41,439
Speaker 1: to to to give a full response. That doesn't seem

1558
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:44,200
Speaker 1: Kurt would be quite an endeavor. It would be a

1559
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:47,640
Speaker 1: job onto itself. But whenever I can, I respond, and

1560
01:34:47,880 --> 01:34:51,559
Speaker 1: I'm always I'm always humbled that people who listened to

1561
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:57,360
Speaker 1: the show are surprised that their their thoughts on the

1562
01:34:57,360 --> 01:34:59,880
Speaker 1: show matters to me as much as it does, because

1563
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:03,400
Speaker 1: really does. So in a sense, while I sit here

1564
01:35:03,400 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 1: thinking why would this executive chef call me? Uh, then

1565
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:08,519
Speaker 1: I thought more about it and I said, well, I

1566
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:10,680
Speaker 1: mean I've written paragraphs and some of you listening have

1567
01:35:10,720 --> 01:35:13,559
Speaker 1: received them back to people about why I said this

1568
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:15,639
Speaker 1: on the show, or my sense about where we can

1569
01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:17,720
Speaker 1: go with these kinds of segments, or a topic that

1570
01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:21,360
Speaker 1: I want to hit and because I am in a

1571
01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:24,000
Speaker 1: sense also in in a in a service business, you

1572
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:27,080
Speaker 1: could say it's entertainment, it's information, it's news, but I

1573
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:31,160
Speaker 1: serve the audience. Uh. And so just like that executive

1574
01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:34,360
Speaker 1: chef from unnamed super Fancy Questions and super Well now

1575
01:35:34,360 --> 01:35:36,479
Speaker 1: it's pretty fancy but super well known restaurant in New

1576
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:40,280
Speaker 1: York City, anyone who engages with me from Team Buck

1577
01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:44,519
Speaker 1: in good faith and in respect gets the same in return.

1578
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:47,120
Speaker 1: And you know, their opinions just as valid as mine,

1579
01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:49,080
Speaker 1: So I always want to hear it. Um. Sorry, those

1580
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:52,240
Speaker 1: are my thoughts on all that stuff. We're gonna switch

1581
01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:54,479
Speaker 1: it up. Oh, I've got an update on Evergreen College

1582
01:35:54,560 --> 01:36:09,080
Speaker 1: for you. It's gonna be good. Between debate and dialectic debate.

1583
01:36:09,160 --> 01:36:13,160
Speaker 1: Wait a second, No, it is debate means you are

1584
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:17,000
Speaker 1: trying to win. Dialectic means you are using disagreement to

1585
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:19,679
Speaker 1: discover what is true. I am not interested in debate.

1586
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 1: I'm interested only in dialectic, which does mean I listened

1587
01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:28,799
Speaker 1: to you and you listen to me. You don't care

1588
01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:35,160
Speaker 1: you want to speak about I'm taking that in terms

1589
01:36:35,200 --> 01:36:40,200
Speaker 1: of this is not a discussion. You have lost that one. Ah. Yes,

1590
01:36:40,439 --> 01:36:47,200
Speaker 1: Evergreen State College in in Washington. That was Professor Weinstein,

1591
01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:50,920
Speaker 1: who has become well known in recent weeks because, as

1592
01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:55,760
Speaker 1: you recall, Evergreen State College had this mandated day of

1593
01:36:55,920 --> 01:37:01,559
Speaker 1: absence for white students, meaning that instead of black students

1594
01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:03,599
Speaker 1: choosing to have a day of absence where they would

1595
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:08,080
Speaker 1: not exercise their own will and not go to school

1596
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:11,000
Speaker 1: that day, the demand was that white students and white

1597
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:15,360
Speaker 1: faculty not show up for a day because of white

1598
01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:20,120
Speaker 1: privilege or or something. And Professor Weinstein pointed out that

1599
01:37:20,120 --> 01:37:25,639
Speaker 1: that's just one insane and to counterproductive. And this led

1600
01:37:25,680 --> 01:37:30,879
Speaker 1: to all kinds of uh madness on this campus, including,

1601
01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:33,360
Speaker 1: by the way, a quarter of the faculty of this

1602
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:38,880
Speaker 1: state funded institution, minds you, who turned against the professor

1603
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:42,439
Speaker 1: who weren't on his side with all of this, and

1604
01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:45,160
Speaker 1: he was backed into a corner there. That audio I

1605
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:49,360
Speaker 1: just played for you was Professor Weinstein surrounded by students

1606
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:53,080
Speaker 1: who cursed him, who tell him to be quiet, who

1607
01:37:53,080 --> 01:37:55,400
Speaker 1: tell him that his white privilege means that he's not

1608
01:37:55,479 --> 01:37:59,240
Speaker 1: allowed to say anything at all, that he has no uh,

1609
01:37:59,439 --> 01:38:02,560
Speaker 1: he has no point to be made. And it's fascinating

1610
01:38:02,600 --> 01:38:06,160
Speaker 1: because he tries to address them as college students and

1611
01:38:06,200 --> 01:38:10,280
Speaker 1: discuss the difference between debate and dialectic. And I just

1612
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:11,840
Speaker 1: had a lot of them, like, you're gonna try to

1613
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:16,760
Speaker 1: win these win these angry little tyrants over with with dialectic.

1614
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:19,960
Speaker 1: You think you're gonna get You're gonna get fancy with

1615
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:23,400
Speaker 1: the philosophy here and that somehow will be the answer

1616
01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:27,240
Speaker 1: where he was he was mistaken in that assumption. But

1617
01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:29,759
Speaker 1: Professor Weinstein, who has written in the Wall Street Journal

1618
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:34,360
Speaker 1: now about this whole ordeal that has included students wandering

1619
01:38:34,400 --> 01:38:40,839
Speaker 1: the campus with bats, destroying property, threats of violence. One student,

1620
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:44,320
Speaker 1: it's been reported, was attacked because he was, uh, he

1621
01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:47,360
Speaker 1: opposed this. He was somebody who was openly against this

1622
01:38:47,439 --> 01:38:49,840
Speaker 1: day of absence and just all of this insanity that's

1623
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:54,680
Speaker 1: been going on on this campus. UM. But and I

1624
01:38:55,040 --> 01:38:58,200
Speaker 1: credit heat Street here and the Daily Caller with staying

1625
01:38:58,240 --> 01:39:01,200
Speaker 1: on this story and following it, because it is just amazing.

1626
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:06,280
Speaker 1: When you look at the course catalog for Evergreen State College,

1627
01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:11,400
Speaker 1: all of a sudden everything makes perfect sense when you

1628
01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:14,559
Speaker 1: look into what the offerings are here, for example, and

1629
01:39:14,600 --> 01:39:20,479
Speaker 1: you see that, UM, instead of biology classes that deal

1630
01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:28,280
Speaker 1: with biology, right, the science of life, bioology, Uh, they

1631
01:39:29,000 --> 01:39:33,880
Speaker 1: have reproduction, gender, race, and power as an offering in

1632
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:38,439
Speaker 1: the syllabus. They also offer dancing molecules, which I have

1633
01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:41,960
Speaker 1: to tell you sounds kind of awesome to me, like doululut,

1634
01:39:42,040 --> 01:39:46,560
Speaker 1: I'm a dancing molecule. Um, I'm sorry. It's dancing molecules,

1635
01:39:46,680 --> 01:39:51,840
Speaker 1: dancing bodies. That's very important, and they use the art

1636
01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:59,120
Speaker 1: of dance with one's body to communicate, uh, and to

1637
01:39:59,479 --> 01:40:03,240
Speaker 1: understand and the chemical processes that are going on within

1638
01:40:03,320 --> 01:40:05,960
Speaker 1: the body. I can't make this stuff up. I mean,

1639
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:08,120
Speaker 1: this is I wish I could make it up because

1640
01:40:08,240 --> 01:40:14,479
Speaker 1: it's brilliant and hilarious and so so completely bonkers. Um.

1641
01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:17,120
Speaker 1: By the way, students at Evergreen State College do not

1642
01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:21,000
Speaker 1: get grades that might tell you something about what the

1643
01:40:21,040 --> 01:40:25,280
Speaker 1: work ethic and how serious and academic institution this really is.

1644
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:30,040
Speaker 1: Uh that they don't get grades, they get narrative evaluations

1645
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:34,000
Speaker 1: that allow them to have some feedback. Uh. This reminds

1646
01:40:34,040 --> 01:40:36,400
Speaker 1: me of Hampshire College, which was down the road also

1647
01:40:36,439 --> 01:40:40,000
Speaker 1: known as Hampshire College. He man, we see up, who

1648
01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:43,679
Speaker 1: wants to become your Halloween parody? Oh, it's I actually

1649
01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:47,760
Speaker 1: went to the Hampshire a k a. Hampshire College. Halloween

1650
01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:51,200
Speaker 1: party back in I don't know, the early two thousand's,

1651
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:55,760
Speaker 1: and he had never been around so many people that

1652
01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:59,640
Speaker 1: were so clearly not just on drugs, but on on

1653
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:02,880
Speaker 1: law large amounts of drugs, and I don't know what

1654
01:41:02,920 --> 01:41:06,680
Speaker 1: they were taking, but it wasn't just weed. There were

1655
01:41:06,720 --> 01:41:10,519
Speaker 1: some people walking around in some pretty crazy costumes. Um.

1656
01:41:10,720 --> 01:41:12,280
Speaker 1: Someone told me one year that there's a guy whose

1657
01:41:12,280 --> 01:41:16,240
Speaker 1: costume was just naked man, which I suppose is is

1658
01:41:16,280 --> 01:41:20,320
Speaker 1: a is a costume if you really lean into it. Um.

1659
01:41:20,360 --> 01:41:24,120
Speaker 1: But anyway, Hampshire was a place that was similar to

1660
01:41:25,040 --> 01:41:27,680
Speaker 1: similar to others in that it was a similar to

1661
01:41:27,800 --> 01:41:30,280
Speaker 1: Evergreen and that you don't get grades there and you

1662
01:41:30,280 --> 01:41:33,559
Speaker 1: always knew who the Hampshire students were in class because

1663
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:35,840
Speaker 1: they could take class at Amer's College. They would they

1664
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:37,680
Speaker 1: would be the ones who would raise their hands and

1665
01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:45,120
Speaker 1: ask incredibly complicated, very stupid questions, excuse me, professor, with like,

1666
01:41:45,560 --> 01:41:53,240
Speaker 1: given the complexities of post post dialectical, deconstructionist, post modernist,

1667
01:41:53,280 --> 01:41:57,280
Speaker 1: post feminist, neo colonialism, I mean, are we gonna have

1668
01:41:57,400 --> 01:42:01,080
Speaker 1: to write papers for these classmen? Or they let the

1669
01:42:01,280 --> 01:42:03,800
Speaker 1: easy like? I mean, I just want to like shoot up.

1670
01:42:03,880 --> 01:42:06,120
Speaker 1: And they play music, you know, what I mean, and

1671
01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:09,000
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I was the Hampshire kid, and I

1672
01:42:09,120 --> 01:42:10,920
Speaker 1: know that right now that I'm sure that if there

1673
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:12,600
Speaker 1: are Hampshire people listen, they would yell at me and

1674
01:42:12,640 --> 01:42:15,879
Speaker 1: they point out that, you know, Hampshire has produced brilliant scholars.

1675
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:17,880
Speaker 1: Actually I don't know if they would be able to

1676
01:42:17,880 --> 01:42:20,000
Speaker 1: do that, but they probably would say that. Um. But

1677
01:42:20,120 --> 01:42:23,160
Speaker 1: so Evergreen is not alone here, and it's just a

1678
01:42:23,280 --> 01:42:25,799
Speaker 1: worse example of this, I think, or a more extreme

1679
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:27,559
Speaker 1: example than what you've seen in other places. And it's

1680
01:42:27,600 --> 01:42:31,520
Speaker 1: been around for a while, but the active and aggressive

1681
01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:35,000
Speaker 1: silencing of speech is what has changed now. It's not

1682
01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:37,760
Speaker 1: just that people will say mean things to you if

1683
01:42:37,800 --> 01:42:40,240
Speaker 1: you try to speak. It is in fact that people

1684
01:42:40,479 --> 01:42:45,439
Speaker 1: will um shut you down, shout you down, and even

1685
01:42:45,680 --> 01:42:47,599
Speaker 1: threatened to hurt you and maybe even hurt you if

1686
01:42:47,640 --> 01:42:49,280
Speaker 1: you say things they don't like and they think they're

1687
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:54,960
Speaker 1: courageous and righteous in doing so, which is obviously very distressing.

1688
01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:58,120
Speaker 1: But back, but but the catalog or the course catalog

1689
01:42:58,200 --> 01:43:00,639
Speaker 1: tells you everything you need to know big, because college

1690
01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:06,880
Speaker 1: should be a time when people are pursuing true intellectual enlightenment, right,

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Speaker 1: you should have to learn things, study you're supposed to

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Speaker 1: be expanding your mind. By the way, it's being your

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Speaker 1: main man, I've getting an idea of how people can

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Speaker 1: expand your main. Um. No, the way to to do this,

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Speaker 1: of course, is to have some rigor in the disciplines

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Speaker 1: that everyone has to engage in on the campus. Right,

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Speaker 1: But that's not the way that it plays That's not

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Speaker 1: the way that it plays out. And the course catalog

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01:43:32,680 --> 01:43:34,200
Speaker 1: tells you much of the tale here. I think I

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Speaker 1: tell you about dancing molecules dancing bodies, which just sounds like,

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01:43:39,479 --> 01:43:42,400
Speaker 1: oh so much fun. You could also take a class

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01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:48,759
Speaker 1: called Actions and Their Consequences, which will quote examine local, national,

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Speaker 1: and international policy issues of the post colonial and neo

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Speaker 1: colonial world and education, healthcare, social welfare, and environmentalism through

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Speaker 1: a series of interdisciplinary lectures. By the way, interdisciplinary is

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01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:09,920
Speaker 1: just an academics way of sometimes in this context, interdisciplinary

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01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:12,759
Speaker 1: often just means I want to throw in a fancy

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01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:15,480
Speaker 1: word here and have an excuse to have other professors

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Speaker 1: come in and guest lecture or borrow their materials, so

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Speaker 1: I have to do less um into disciplinearing me. And

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Speaker 1: it's like it's like music in like glass blowing and

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01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:30,400
Speaker 1: like everything like comes together, it's amazing. Uh So, if

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Speaker 1: math and economics are what you're looking for, heat Street

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Speaker 1: here says that there are some social justice tinged options,

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Speaker 1: including advocating for sustainable culture, which is considered a math

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Speaker 1: course by the way, it's it's an advocacy course about

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Speaker 1: sustainable culture. I don't even know what. I don't even

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Speaker 1: know what sustainable culture is. Usually sustainable refers to food

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Speaker 1: and sustainable farming, um, but I don't know sustainable culture.

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Speaker 1: And then there's also dimensions for inequality and options for change.

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Speaker 1: And in case you think that you're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: go into some you know, more hard science, don't worry

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01:45:10,479 --> 01:45:15,800
Speaker 1: about that. You have under the physics heading here defending

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Speaker 1: mother Earth, science, energy, and natives and native people's. Uh

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Speaker 1: so they've got some incredible stuff. Look, I'm not a lie.

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Speaker 1: Amborust which is a at least a difficult place um

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Speaker 1: to get into. Not the hardest by any stretch, but

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Speaker 1: it's you know, it's I think they take one in.

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Speaker 1: It's a like a sent admission rates something like that. Uh.

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Speaker 1: They had a class that I took called economic anthropology,

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Speaker 1: which I just remember the professor would tell us about

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Speaker 1: her trips to Africa and about uh native medicinal practices,

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01:45:55,360 --> 01:45:59,120
Speaker 1: and there was not much else. It was. It was

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Speaker 1: what we call they gut class. It was not really

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Speaker 1: worth time, but it was once a week for two hours,

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Speaker 1: and there were some ladies that I liked who are

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Speaker 1: going to be taking it as well. So I figured,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'll give this economic anthropology thing a shot.

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Speaker 1: But that was certainly not the entirety of of my

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Speaker 1: academic career, and that would be a bad thing to

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Speaker 1: just take one nonsense class after another. But that's what's

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Speaker 1: going on in Evergreen State. If you if you see

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Speaker 1: the course catalog at these crazy progressive institutions, you understand

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Speaker 1: what's what's going to come after that. I mean, it

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01:46:36,880 --> 01:46:42,280
Speaker 1: sets the stage, It provides the necessary context. It gives

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Speaker 1: you a sense of really what you're going to be

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Speaker 1: in for. So that's why I found that this this

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Speaker 1: course catalog was so uh made for such delicious reading.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I mean, they have they have a

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Speaker 1: class here. I'm even going through it on the fly.

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01:46:55,880 --> 01:46:59,160
Speaker 1: I picked some out that heat Street had noted. But

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Speaker 1: you've got wilderness first responder. Um, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that's actual professional like to how

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Speaker 1: to be a park ranger? They also have wait, what

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Speaker 1: how things really work in science and business, UM thinking,

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Speaker 1: in Indian democracy, civic engagement and resistance, UH, social entrepreneurs,

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Speaker 1: the unsung heroes of community building. That might be moderately interesting,

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01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:35,040
Speaker 1: but you you're getting the idea here, right, So but

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01:47:35,240 --> 01:47:36,800
Speaker 1: when when these are the offerings, when these are the

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Speaker 1: classes that you can take at a place, and a

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Speaker 1: lot of students take them, it's not surprising at all

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Speaker 1: that the progressive indoctrination would just become so overwhelming that

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Speaker 1: there was no longer any real connection to reality for

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Speaker 1: some of these students, and that a progressive left wing

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Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders supporting professor could find himself on the wrong

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Speaker 1: side of the out age mob. Here is is telling

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Speaker 1: and it's not the first time. Right, we continue to

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Speaker 1: follow these because it's clearly an epidemic across the country,

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Speaker 1: whether we're talking about the Berkeley free speech UH anti

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Speaker 1: speech riots or the attack on Charles Murray at Middlebury.

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Speaker 1: And you know this is a trend, all right, This

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01:48:21,520 --> 01:48:25,400
Speaker 1: is a a much more broad based problem than many

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Speaker 1: on the left want to admit. Summer coming out and

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01:48:27,479 --> 01:48:30,120
Speaker 1: finally admitting it. But there are others who just have

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Speaker 1: no interest at all, and they try to say that

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01:48:33,560 --> 01:48:36,080
Speaker 1: this is just an aberrante, this is out of nowhere.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, Evergreen State College. The catalog is hilarious and

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Speaker 1: definitely worth checking out. Um team, I'm gonna hit a

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Speaker 1: quick break here. Also, please do check out buck Sexton

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01:48:48,760 --> 01:48:51,240
Speaker 1: dot com whenever you get a chance. We're posting stories

1781
01:48:51,240 --> 01:48:53,639
Speaker 1: there throughout the day, and also follow me on Twitter.

1782
01:48:53,720 --> 01:48:55,840
Speaker 1: I was live tweeting much of the COMI hearing today.

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Speaker 1: If you're on Twitter, I try to do a good

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01:48:58,000 --> 01:49:01,760
Speaker 1: job to keep it engage. I will be right back.

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Speaker 1: Did you really think we want those laws observed? Said

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Speaker 1: Dr Ferris. We want them to be broken. You'd better

1787
01:49:16,840 --> 01:49:18,720
Speaker 1: get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy

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01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:22,040
Speaker 1: scouts here up against. We're after power, and we mean it.

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Speaker 1: There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power

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Speaker 1: any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well,

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Speaker 1: when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares

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Speaker 1: so many things to be a crime that it becomes

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Speaker 1: impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants

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Speaker 1: a nation of law abiding citizens? What's there in that

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01:49:44,120 --> 01:49:47,240
Speaker 1: for anyone, but just past the kind of laws that

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01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:52,600
Speaker 1: can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted, and

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Speaker 1: you create a nation of lawbreakers and then you cash

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Speaker 1: in on guilt. Now that's the system, mr, And that's

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Speaker 1: the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much

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Speaker 1: easier to deal with. That's from uh I Rand's Atlas Shrugged,

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Speaker 1: and it's one of the Randy Randy and insights that

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Speaker 1: has always stuck most in my mind, the notion that

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Speaker 1: the government can exercise much greater control over people by

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Speaker 1: expanding what is considered criminal activity to include areas that

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Speaker 1: one are not particularly criminal. This is what we would

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Speaker 1: call from a legal perspective mallem prohibitum, as opposed to

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Speaker 1: mallem in say malam and say is don't kill people.

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Speaker 1: Malam prohibitum is make sure you retain records of all

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Speaker 1: your financial transactions for seven years or else when we

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01:50:51,720 --> 01:50:53,840
Speaker 1: do an audit you do not produce them, we will

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Speaker 1: brand you a criminal for failure to provide documentation or whatever.

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Speaker 1: That's mallam prohibitum. Right, Malam prohibitum is you know, this

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Speaker 1: is the amount of this fish that you can import

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Speaker 1: into the United States, and if you exceed that, you've

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01:51:08,920 --> 01:51:12,519
Speaker 1: committed a federal criminal offense, right that's malam prohibitum, meaning

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Speaker 1: the government just says no, Therefore it's no. We now

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Speaker 1: live in a society of endless and often inexplicable laws.

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Speaker 1: And you see this playing out now with the testimony

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Speaker 1: from James Comey and the back and forth over whether

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Speaker 1: it's the Hillary email investigation, Donald Trump Russia collusion. We

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Speaker 1: see that there are so many different statutes that it

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Speaker 1: just turns into a political game. People want to see

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Speaker 1: their ideological opponents locked up in this country, and I'm

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Speaker 1: really troubled by that. There are people that break the

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Speaker 1: law and should be punished for it. To be sure,

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Speaker 1: politicians and non politicians. And that's a statement of the obvious.

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Speaker 1: But I don't want to see somebody who is pro

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Speaker 1: Obamacare thrown in prison because they like Obamacare. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to see somebody who's for open borders thrown in

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Speaker 1: prison because they're open borders. But we see climate change,

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01:52:11,200 --> 01:52:15,920
Speaker 1: people believe that deniers should be imprisoned, and increasingly, if

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Speaker 1: you are even willing to be fair to Trump, never

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Speaker 1: mind to defend Trump, I do believe that there are

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Speaker 1: many on the left. The left is out to satiate

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01:52:26,960 --> 01:52:30,200
Speaker 1: a political blood lust here and they want people thrown

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Speaker 1: in prison. They want to see lives ruined. They think

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Speaker 1: that justice for the stolen election from Hillary means that

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Speaker 1: otherwise good and decent men and perhaps women will see

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Speaker 1: who gets prosecuted, are taken from their families, are humiliated,

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Speaker 1: are incarcerated, under put under constant threat of violence from

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Speaker 1: being in a federal penitentiary for crimes. They're not even

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Speaker 1: sure what the crime is the logan act obstruction of justice,

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Speaker 1: that they can't figure it out. They're just looking for

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Speaker 1: a crime because they want to ruin people's lives, because

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01:53:05,080 --> 01:53:10,840
Speaker 1: they have become infected with a totalitarian mindset that there

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Speaker 1: cannot be any opposition and there cannot be good faith

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Speaker 1: between Americans who disagree on matters of public debate. It's

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Speaker 1: very distressing, you know. I I do not celebrate people

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Speaker 1: getting sent away to prison for any of these process

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Speaker 1: crimes ever, you know, whether it's in the midst of

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01:53:29,120 --> 01:53:33,519
Speaker 1: lying to the FBI or any time these political fights

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01:53:33,720 --> 01:53:36,599
Speaker 1: play out with somebody going to to prison who didn't

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01:53:36,640 --> 01:53:38,800
Speaker 1: do anything really wrong, but who got caught up in

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01:53:38,840 --> 01:53:43,719
Speaker 1: the machinery. It's a miscarriage of justice and I'm worried

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Speaker 1: that that's where we're heading now, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: Democrats are pushing for it. So I always remember that

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Speaker 1: Iron Ran quote. They like to make everyone into criminals

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Speaker 1: because they can control criminals easily. Team. Always a pleasure

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Speaker 1: and an honor to have you with me today. We're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about a lot of non Trump comy

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Speaker 1: rushes stuff tomorrow. I promise you that until tomorrow, my friends.

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Speaker 1: As always, no matter what I tell you, Shields Hime