WEBVTT - Find a Better Angel

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty.

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<v Speaker 2>Armstrong and Gatty and he Armstrong and Getty.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'll be honest with you, I am an utter

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<v Speaker 3>disbelief at this.

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<v Speaker 2>I sat in this.

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<v Speaker 3>Room last summer the night they shot the president, and

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<v Speaker 3>now they shot Charlie. And I'm not sure it's safe

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<v Speaker 3>to be an outspoken conservative walking around in America right now.

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<v Speaker 4>At Scott Jennings frequently seen on CNN, he was a

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<v Speaker 4>friend of Charlie Kirk's.

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<v Speaker 1>I went to Mark Halprin's whatever he calls his thing

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<v Speaker 1>he does live on YouTube shortly after it happened. Before

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<v Speaker 1>it happened, had been announced that Charlie Kirk had died,

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<v Speaker 1>and Mark Halpern barely could get through a sentence. He

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<v Speaker 1>had interviewed him yesterday and they're close friends and had

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<v Speaker 1>been with his wife and kids just like hours, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>before this happened. And there's a lot of people with

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<v Speaker 1>really good things to say about Charlie Kirk as just

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<v Speaker 1>an individual human. Yeah, worth mentioning, because you know there

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<v Speaker 1>should be some uh, you should get some credit for

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<v Speaker 1>being a decent person and loving dad.

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<v Speaker 2>And all that sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But even if he weren't, even if he was, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole young dad, thirty one, married kids, devoted blah blah,

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<v Speaker 1>that is makes it awful. But if it was an

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<v Speaker 1>eighty year old single guy who was actually kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a jerk, it's still going to destroy our country, right

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<v Speaker 1>if we allow political violence.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, but to hear the whole package cheered by activists

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<v Speaker 4>and young people the assassination of the young man, it's

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<v Speaker 4>just it makes me fear for their soul. And I

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<v Speaker 4>don't mean in a biblical way, whether they can be salvaged.

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<v Speaker 4>I think there can be some depprogramming of kids who've

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<v Speaker 4>been taught to hate by the adults we trusted to

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<v Speaker 4>educate them, but I don't honestly know.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of which, a.

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<v Speaker 1>Quick update on the crime itself, the assassination itself, in

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<v Speaker 1>the search for the killer, because it is a almost

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<v Speaker 1>unheard of situation where we have an assassination and they

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<v Speaker 1>have no idea who did it or where they are.

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<v Speaker 1>That doesn't usually happen with high profile assassinations. They FBI

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<v Speaker 1>announced not that long ago they found the gun.

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<v Speaker 2>They have a good video of the dude.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a young college age man, and so they will

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<v Speaker 1>catch him.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be shocked.

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<v Speaker 4>There's no need, there's no hurry to leap to conclusions.

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<v Speaker 4>But that does sound more and more like indoctrination rather than,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, just plain insanity. Anyway, we'll find out. It's

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<v Speaker 4>worth noting that some of the most vehement, hateful rhetoric

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<v Speaker 4>about Charlie Kirk came from the radical gender side of things,

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<v Speaker 4>which is just part of postmodernism, neo Marxism, etc. And

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<v Speaker 4>we've explained that and talked about that before and we

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<v Speaker 4>will again, I'm sure. But they despised the guy partly,

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<v Speaker 4>mostly because he was an eloquent and compassionate defender of

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<v Speaker 4>a position that contradicted theirs completely. And one thing about

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<v Speaker 4>Marxists is they will They will lie and lie and lie,

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<v Speaker 4>and then if you are successful in calling out their lives,

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<v Speaker 4>they will kill you. And all you have to do

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<v Speaker 4>is look at Like every Marxist revolution in the history

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<v Speaker 4>of mankind, certainly nineteenth century on, it happens all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>There are various people involved in the revolution, and then

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<v Speaker 4>one of them goes against whoever has the power. They're

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<v Speaker 4>branded a counter revolutionary and put up against the wall.

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<v Speaker 4>And as they're executing you know, whatev Trotzky or whoever

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<v Speaker 4>you want to route take.

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<v Speaker 1>Pierre was a guillotine, Jay guvera, whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, in Cuba, as they're up against the wall, they're

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<v Speaker 4>thinking counter revolutionary. That's hilarious. I was standing right next

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<v Speaker 4>to you during the revolution. Oh well, that's the way

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<v Speaker 4>it goes. So that's just the way Marxism operates. Having

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<v Speaker 4>said that, getting back to the hatred of the radical

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<v Speaker 4>left alphabet community for Charlie Kirk. Here is Charlie on

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<v Speaker 4>a college campus talking to a quote unquote transgender person.

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<v Speaker 5>I just want to say, I'm a transgender male. What

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<v Speaker 5>age should kids be able to get things like hormone therapy?

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<v Speaker 5>Because I don't know what's true what's not.

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<v Speaker 6>Tell me, are you comfortable telling me your story?

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<v Speaker 5>I've known that since like third grade, and I'm currently

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<v Speaker 5>nineteen almost twenty. I've known basically since then. I didn't

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<v Speaker 5>start going by like a different name until seventh and

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<v Speaker 5>eighth grade. I just don't know, like with the like

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<v Speaker 5>the whole medical stuff, like what's true, what's not, what's helpful?

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<v Speaker 5>Because I've heard so many different opinions. First of all,

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<v Speaker 5>thank you so much for that.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and so I'm going to have an opinion that

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<v Speaker 6>very few people will ever tell you, which is I

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<v Speaker 6>want you to be very cautious putting drugs into your

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<v Speaker 6>system in the pursuit of changing your body. I instead

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<v Speaker 6>encourage you to work on what's going on in your

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<v Speaker 6>brain first. I think what you need first and foremost

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<v Speaker 6>is just a diagnosis, just someone that is going to

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<v Speaker 6>listen to what you've gone through, listen to what else

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<v Speaker 6>is going on. My prayer for you, and again very

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<v Speaker 6>people will say this, I actually want to see you

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<v Speaker 6>be comfortable in how you were born.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>I know that you might not feel that way, but

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<v Speaker 6>I think that is something that you can achieve. I

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<v Speaker 6>think that with the right team and the right people,

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<v Speaker 6>you don't have to wage war on your body.

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<v Speaker 2>You can learn to love your body.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the hate speech you hear the left talking about

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<v Speaker 4>Charlie Kirk speaking.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, man, I mean if we can't have discussions like that,

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<v Speaker 1>like I've been saying since the show started, we are doomed.

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<v Speaker 1>I flipped on MSNBC, so I got the alert that

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie Cooks you'd been shot. My first thought yesterday was,

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<v Speaker 1>holy crap, this is really bad. I dial up my

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<v Speaker 1>phone on in my car first cable news channel that

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<v Speaker 1>is up as MSNBC. That's how I ended up on it.

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<v Speaker 1>And immediately Katie Turr and Matthew Dowd, who are common

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<v Speaker 1>all day long sorts of MSNBC hosts, we're doing a

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<v Speaker 1>laundry list of horrible positions. Charlie Kirk had held with

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<v Speaker 1>the obvious implication that he brought this on himself. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the reason you go through the list of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that you think are so aborbent, abhorrent. Well, you

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<v Speaker 1>just heard that conversation right there. How hateful did that

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<v Speaker 1>sound to you?

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<v Speaker 2>Right right?

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<v Speaker 1>By the way I talked about the Mark halpern video

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<v Speaker 1>I went too shortly thereafter it was live and him

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<v Speaker 1>barely able to getting through it, and he said, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, the discussion I just saw on MSNBC was disgusting,

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<v Speaker 1>So he didn't make much of it, although the at

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<v Speaker 1>least one of the people involved in that discussion got

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<v Speaker 1>fired immediately by NBC.

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<v Speaker 4>To their credit, right, I would agree, why don't we

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<v Speaker 4>will go ahead and pay that off? In the next segment,

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<v Speaker 4>it was as stupid as it was ugly, notably anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Excuse me, but the almost universal condemnation of this, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean it is heartening. I don't think it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be enough, unfortunately, with the way our media works and

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<v Speaker 1>where our culture is currently. But to have ABC News

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<v Speaker 1>treat this the way it should have been treated last night,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was fantastic news.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would agree.

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<v Speaker 4>I was thinking of the at least three specific levels

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<v Speaker 2>You've got the.

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<v Speaker 1>Personal of a thirty one year old dad with two

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<v Speaker 1>little kids and a wife being shot to death. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if he was you know, he ran a taco stand,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a horrifying, horrifying tragedy. Then you've got the political

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<v Speaker 1>violence that is becoming more commonplace in our country and

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<v Speaker 1>just way too many people that think political violence is justified,

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<v Speaker 1>which is its own awful, awful story. Then you've got

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<v Speaker 1>the angle that this murderous scumbag who they will catch,

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<v Speaker 1>probably made a significant dent in the youth conservative movement

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<v Speaker 1>because you don't come across Charlie Kirk every day.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you not. You can't easily replace people like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, that's one of the reasons it is so abhorrent

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<v Speaker 4>and verbot in political violence, because often it accomplishes what

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<v Speaker 4>the shooter an wanted to right right, Not not always,

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<v Speaker 4>but often, and so every single man, woman and child

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<v Speaker 4>in society must be vehemently against it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the only protection against it.

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<v Speaker 4>Anyway, MSNBC covered themselves in inglory yesterday and shame. We'll

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<v Speaker 4>play some of those clips for you coming up, plus

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<v Speaker 4>some more of Charlie Cook engaging fully, openly, willingly, happily

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<v Speaker 4>with people who disagreed with him, and that's what got

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<v Speaker 4>him murdered.

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<v Speaker 2>Sickening.

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<v Speaker 1>How about those poor college kids who were in the

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<v Speaker 1>front rows who saw that with their own eyes? Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, Oh that is rough. Okay, we get a

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<v Speaker 2>Barstraw, Hey, Yeddy.

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<v Speaker 7>We have some breaking news from Utah that we want

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<v Speaker 7>to get to right now. Shots fired during a speech

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<v Speaker 7>by right wing activist Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University

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<v Speaker 7>in Orum. This happened really just moments ago. Kirk was

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<v Speaker 7>about twenty minutes into his speech when shots were fired

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<v Speaker 7>from a nearby building. According to the university, there are

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<v Speaker 7>reports that Kirk was hit, but as far as they know,

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<v Speaker 7>but we're not clear on them as of right now.

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<v Speaker 1>That was as it broke yesterday on MSNBC. And nobody

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<v Speaker 1>likes me media bashing more than me. But I'd say,

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<v Speaker 1>in general, the media did a really good job yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, better than I've seen in a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not an example of that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the further left you got, the more sickening it was,

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<v Speaker 4>I would agree. Things quickly went sideways, both idiotic and

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<v Speaker 4>disgusting and hateful. Katie Turr continuing with Matthew Dowd.

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<v Speaker 7>Matthew, I'm going to bring you in on this. Talk

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<v Speaker 7>to me about the environment. You know we are there

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<v Speaker 7>are reports of exactly what happened are not confirmed yet,

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<v Speaker 7>But talk to me about the environment in which a

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<v Speaker 7>shooting like this happens.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, and again emphasize what you just emphasized. We don't

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<v Speaker 8>know any of the full details of this that we

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<v Speaker 8>don't know if this was a supporter shooting their gun

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<v Speaker 8>off in celebration or so we have no idea about this.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was listening to that live yesterday actually, and

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<v Speaker 1>I he's been fired.

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<v Speaker 2>Matthew Dowd.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a long time political strategist back in the day,

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<v Speaker 1>that's how he made his living. Then he turned against

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<v Speaker 1>the Republican Party. So he became a darling of NBC

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<v Speaker 1>and he's a regular on Meet the Press and has

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<v Speaker 1>been for years. And I've always hated him because that

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<v Speaker 1>whole turning against your party and then bad mouthing the

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<v Speaker 1>things you in theory believed your whole life to make

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<v Speaker 1>a living, I find disgusting.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's one of those guys.

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<v Speaker 1>But when he said the whole a supporter shooting his

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<v Speaker 1>gun off, I've hed that's just stupid. I didn't know

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<v Speaker 1>he'd end up getting fired, Like I buy. Yeah, they

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<v Speaker 1>hinted that utaws lacks gun laws. That sort of thing

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<v Speaker 1>happens all the time. It's just absolutely absurd.

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<v Speaker 4>He's the soul iss hack, like so many of those people,

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<v Speaker 4>they don't believe anything. But then it turned truly horrifying

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<v Speaker 4>and illuminating about the way people like him think.

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<v Speaker 8>He's been one of the most divisive, especially devisive younger

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<v Speaker 8>figures in this who is constantly sort of pushing this

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<v Speaker 8>sort of hate speech or aimed at certain groups. And

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<v Speaker 8>I always go back to hateful thoughts lead to hateful words,

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<v Speaker 8>which then lead to hateful actions. And I think that's

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<v Speaker 8>the environment we're in that people just you can't stop

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<v Speaker 8>with these sort of awful thoughts you have and then

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<v Speaker 8>saying these awful words and not expect awful actions to

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<v Speaker 8>take place.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the nfortunate environment we're in. And that's what

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<v Speaker 2>he got fired for saying.

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<v Speaker 1>A guy, especially again, even if it was a firebrand,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't need to say that in the moments it happened.

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<v Speaker 1>But since it was Charlie Kirk, who's like the calmost,

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<v Speaker 1>most reasonable debater you could possibly imagine, to say, Lelly

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<v Speaker 1>brought it on himself. And please note the repeated use

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<v Speaker 1>of the term hate spec what are you talking merely

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<v Speaker 1>disagreeing with the radical left?

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<v Speaker 2>That's the old technique.

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<v Speaker 4>I think everybody's hip to that right now they call

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<v Speaker 4>everything they disagree with hate speech, and they also say

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<v Speaker 4>speech is violence, which then defies violent.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, you're equating it, Well, he was shooting his mouth

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<v Speaker 1>off so he could be shot they all are.

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<v Speaker 2>Just one of the same.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, if it was ninety percent sure he'd be fired

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<v Speaker 4>after that filth.

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<v Speaker 8>He went on, This is we're the only country that

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<v Speaker 8>this is going on in this way, and we have

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<v Speaker 8>this awful, toxic stew of political, divisive hate speech that's

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<v Speaker 8>being pushed and combined with simultaneous combined with unbelievable access

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<v Speaker 8>that people have to guns and guns at every level,

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<v Speaker 8>not just handguns or shotguns, but you know, assault rifles

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<v Speaker 8>in this and this. As I say, we're one of

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<v Speaker 8>one in the in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Goodbye.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>To NBC's credit, they fired him, I mean like within

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<v Speaker 1>hours of that, So I'm good for them, and that

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<v Speaker 1>will get the attention of other pundits who realize, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess you just can't say anything when somebody on

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<v Speaker 1>the other side gets hurt or killed.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank god, we got to get we got to break

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<v Speaker 2>out of that somehow.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said earlier, I can't picture some of the

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<v Speaker 1>left wing nuts that I actually hate if I heard

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<v Speaker 1>they got shot being happy about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I just I can't even imagine it.

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<v Speaker 4>No, that's horrifying. You have no soul. You're a bad person.

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<v Speaker 4>Perhaps you are led to being a bad person by

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<v Speaker 4>the people who are supposed to educate you. Or maybe

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<v Speaker 4>you've had trauma in your life or something, but your

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<v Speaker 4>soul has been damaged to the point that you are

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<v Speaker 4>a bad person if you think those things.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, even if it's not about the individual losing their

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<v Speaker 1>life and what that means to their loved ones, what

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<v Speaker 1>it does to our politics, how can you possibly think

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<v Speaker 1>that's a step in the right direction. You're nuts if

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<v Speaker 1>you think somebody being gunned down from the other side

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<v Speaker 1>is going to advance the country.

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<v Speaker 2>JB.

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<v Speaker 4>Pritzker stood up and decried political violence, then said it's

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<v Speaker 4>Donald Trump and his rhetoric that causes this sort of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just, this is speaking of people you despise.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe JB.

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<v Speaker 4>Prisker is an evil presence on the American scene, and

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<v Speaker 4>if somebody were to shoot him in the throat, I

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<v Speaker 4>would be horrified by that, just horrified. Anyway, Like I said,

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like the mainstream media did a really good

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<v Speaker 4>job on this for the most part. I did not

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<v Speaker 4>like the New York Times headline that he had at

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<v Speaker 4>least part of the day. Yesterday, Charlie Kirk dies at

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<v Speaker 4>age thirty one. Dies Wow. Boy, they try hard, don't they.

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<v Speaker 4>Even when there's nothing there, they try to find a way.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just used to the fact that, of course he

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<v Speaker 1>was called right wing or ultra right wing activist, whereas

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<v Speaker 1>if somebody of the far left were assassinated, you would

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<v Speaker 1>just be an activist.

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<v Speaker 2>Right sure, speaker, a politician.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, but I'm used what of the videos being

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<v Speaker 4>showed over and over again on social media. Jack and

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<v Speaker 4>I have somewhat differing opinions on this, but when it

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<v Speaker 4>comes to kids, I think we're a humble percent god and.

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<v Speaker 1>You talk about and there's no stop on that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll talk about that coming up. Stay tuned.

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<v Speaker 2>Armstrong and Getty please.

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<v Speaker 9>Did not give any specifics other than to say that

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<v Speaker 9>there are surveillange footage of a person wearing all black

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<v Speaker 9>that they are studying.

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<v Speaker 2>They believe that.

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<v Speaker 9>The shot that killed Kirk was fired from a higher

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<v Speaker 9>location than the venue where Kirk was speaking. There was

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<v Speaker 9>some confusion earlier today because an elderly man was taken

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<v Speaker 9>into custody in the moments.

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<v Speaker 2>After the attack.

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<v Speaker 9>We are told it was determined that he is not

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<v Speaker 9>the shooter and has been cleared.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if you were bouncing around on social media yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get the latest. There were some pictures going

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<v Speaker 1>around with this old guy they had down on his

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<v Speaker 1>hands and knees, and that he was the.

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<v Speaker 2>Shooter, and turned out he was not at all.

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<v Speaker 4>And of course the internet did what the internet does,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was analyzing it and attributing motives to him,

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<v Speaker 4>and how he came to decide that was a good

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<v Speaker 4>idea when it wasn't him at all. And it's worth

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<v Speaker 4>taking this breaking news with a bit of a grain

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<v Speaker 4>of salt, although I would point out that the Wall

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<v Speaker 4>Street Journal, which is among the soberest publications going, has

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<v Speaker 4>a source that they believe is credible enough to print this.

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<v Speaker 2>This is big. Listen to this, pay attention.

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<v Speaker 4>Investigators found ammunition engraved with expressions of transgender and anti

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<v Speaker 4>fascist ideology inside the rifle that the authorities believe was

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<v Speaker 4>used in the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk, according to

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<v Speaker 4>an internal law enforcement bulletin and a person familiar with

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<v Speaker 4>the investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>And when they say anti fascist, that would be antifa,

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<v Speaker 1>right right exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>And they are not anti fascists, they are atic leftists.

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<v Speaker 4>They cover their horrors by claiming their anti fascist they're

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<v Speaker 4>anti anything but them. The older modern model thirty caliber

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<v Speaker 4>hunting rifle was discovered in the woods near the scene

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<v Speaker 4>the shooting, this wrapped in a towel with a spent

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<v Speaker 4>cartridge still in the chamber. The sources said there are

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<v Speaker 4>also three unspent rounds in the magazine, all with wording

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<v Speaker 4>on them.

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<v Speaker 1>So, first of all, this has become a thing. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess these nutjob murderers, like the guy who murdered the

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<v Speaker 1>healthcare ceo writing things on their ammunition, right, And that's

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting aspect of the modern crazy assassin. The Wall

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<v Speaker 1>Street Journal is a very serious publication, and especially in

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<v Speaker 1>this moment, I would think they were not a chance

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<v Speaker 1>they would put that out unless they believed it were true.

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<v Speaker 1>It does seem a little too perfect. I mean, if

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<v Speaker 1>I were hearing it from anywhere else, I would think, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is one of those things that somebody put out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know what you mean.

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<v Speaker 4>The fact that it's an internal law enforcement bulletin and

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<v Speaker 4>a person familiar with the investigation substantiating it. And it's

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<v Speaker 4>also I think it's significant that Charlie Kirk was discussing

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<v Speaker 4>transgender recent mass murderers. Yeah, that's what I was gonna

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<v Speaker 4>mention is when he was killed, and those people, the

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<v Speaker 4>radical gender crowd hates him more vehemently than anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>So Jason Chafitz, I don't know if you remember him,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was a pretty prominent house member from Utah

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<v Speaker 1>before he retired quite a few years back, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he became a Fox commentator, has his own show and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>But he was there close to Charlie Kirk when the

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<v Speaker 1>shooting happened. He was at the event, and so he

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<v Speaker 1>was on Fox right away, obviously highly disturbed because he

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<v Speaker 1>was close enough to see what happened. He said somebody

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<v Speaker 1>had asked a question about transgender and mass shootings right

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<v Speaker 1>at the time when the shot rang out, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was connecting the two. Now, it seems unlikely. I suppose

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<v Speaker 1>it's possible. But if the guy was six hundred feet away,

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<v Speaker 1>did he hear the specific question was that and did

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<v Speaker 1>he know that question was coming. If somebody didn't ask

0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:07.000
<v Speaker 1>that question, was he not going to shoot him? I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just finding it hard to believe that they're connected.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, they had a pretty good pa, so I gotta believe, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>he could hear him, But the idea that he was

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<v Speaker 4>there debating whether to shoot the guy or not, or

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<v Speaker 4>waiting till something particularly objectionable came up by that seems

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<v Speaker 4>like a stretch.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's just an awful coincidence. Uh yeah, yeah, in

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<v Speaker 1>a way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>It's also it was absolutely certain that that topic would

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<v Speaker 4>come up at a Charlie Kirk event, whether the radical

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<v Speaker 4>gender theory crowd and indoctrinating kids or specifically transgender shooters.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that was like, if you don't know Charlie

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<v Speaker 1>Kirk's act and you hear anybody talking about how hateful

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<v Speaker 1>he was, most likely what they're talking about is trans

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<v Speaker 1>issue stuff. Yeah, and if you're on the other side

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<v Speaker 1>of the trans thing that you are branded immediately as

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<v Speaker 1>a hateful, awful, violence's speech, bigot sort of person.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, even though virtually nobody on earth advocated the radical

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<v Speaker 4>left gender position ten years ago, nobody now, anybody who says,

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<v Speaker 4>can we wait a minute and talk about this is

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<v Speaker 4>branded as a vicious hater who commits violence through their

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<v Speaker 4>words and therefore is deserving of violence. So executive producer

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<v Speaker 4>Hanson and I both had the same disturbing thing. Hanson,

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<v Speaker 4>do you want to come tell the story how it unfolded?

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<v Speaker 1>On the air. Do you just want me to characterize

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<v Speaker 1>where you just want me to tell it? So Hanson's

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<v Speaker 1>version is a little worse than mine because his son

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<v Speaker 1>is younger than mine, but it's bad all the way around.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was picking up my sophomore in high school

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<v Speaker 1>from school yesterday at two point fifteen. This wasn't that

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<v Speaker 1>long after this horrifying event occurred, and we knew that

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<v Speaker 1>Charlie Kirk was dead. Hansen was picking up his thirteen

0:23:57.960 --> 0:24:01.040
<v Speaker 1>year old and both of us we're dealing with, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we got to, you know, we gotta tell our kids

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<v Speaker 1>that this awful thing happened, and couch it in the

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<v Speaker 1>way you want to couch it as a parent to

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<v Speaker 1>a youth that age, et cetera, et cetera. We both

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<v Speaker 1>found out immediately, Oh yeah, I've seen the video, the

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<v Speaker 1>whole video, the worst video, the close up video that

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<v Speaker 1>shows the you know, the worst of it. Our kids

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<v Speaker 1>had seen this multiple times at school because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>anybody it's got a smartphone could access it, and everybody

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<v Speaker 1>was passing it around and watching it. And uh, how

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<v Speaker 1>disturbed did your son seem to be by it? What

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<v Speaker 1>bothered me is my son seemed to pretty blase about it. Hanson,

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<v Speaker 1>was he rattled or not. I don't know if that

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<v Speaker 1>makes any difference, but I just this is a separate

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<v Speaker 1>topic really, because our kids have access to all this

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<v Speaker 1>just extreme sex and violence all the time that we

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<v Speaker 1>have no control over, yes, anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>That is extremely disturbing.

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<v Speaker 4>I'd say, when you put it like that, I remember

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<v Speaker 4>as a teenager that there were the faces of death

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<v Speaker 4>videos were pretty popular, and I didn't enjoy them at all.

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<v Speaker 4>The one time I was exposed to one is absolutely horrifying.

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<v Speaker 4>Other people were grimly fascinated by them, and they didn't

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<v Speaker 4>all grow up to be serial killers. I think it's

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<v Speaker 4>a very person by person reaction, depending on your level.

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<v Speaker 2>Of empathy or what have you.

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<v Speaker 4>But the way you put it that the kids are

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<v Speaker 4>just exposed to, you know, filth of every sort, willy nilly,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, never mind the Charlie Kirk horror.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just that's that's not good. But so today's nine

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<v Speaker 2>to eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the days of a tragic news event happening

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<v Speaker 1>and then you deciding how you want to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>your kids about it are over unless you're like there

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<v Speaker 1>at the moment the news event occurs, with them, they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to get all of the worst aspects of it

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<v Speaker 1>and the untrue stuff and the fake videos and everything

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<v Speaker 1>else before you even get to them.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's rough. I wish I had a single idea

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<v Speaker 4>what to tell you. And if you're thinking, well, my

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<v Speaker 4>kid doesn't have a smartphone, well everybody around.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Your point about they didn't all grow up to be

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<v Speaker 1>serial killers is absolutely true. Is it an age thing

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<v Speaker 1>you don't fully understand? I mean, clearly we all know

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<v Speaker 1>this because we were all young at one point in

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<v Speaker 1>a long, long time ago. You develop a full understanding

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<v Speaker 1>of what it means to be a thirty one year

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<v Speaker 1>old dad killed in front of your little kids.

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<v Speaker 2>When you're older and you become.

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<v Speaker 1>A mom or dad and have kids, you just don't

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<v Speaker 1>quite have the same understanding of it when you're young.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just you know, that's just the state of being

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<v Speaker 1>a human. So is there no harm, no foul?

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<v Speaker 7>Then?

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<v Speaker 1>Like I have watched movies with my son that are

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<v Speaker 1>pretty edgy violence wise, and these are like, what's the

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<v Speaker 1>big deal? Like he's heard about pulp fiction or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we watch it and he's like, what this

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<v Speaker 1>is supposed to be a big deal. He's so desensitized

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<v Speaker 1>to like this sort of thing, he can't be like

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<v Speaker 1>he's like bored with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think that's healthy. It can't be.

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<v Speaker 4>No, And there's not like a one hundred percent correlation

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<v Speaker 4>between you know, that feeling about violence and obviously committing

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<v Speaker 4>acts of violence or what have you. But I've made

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<v Speaker 4>reference to Dave Grossman's fabulous book on Killing more than Once,

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<v Speaker 4>and the one aspect of the book that's absolutely undeniable

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<v Speaker 4>is that the armies through history, particularly since you know,

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<v Speaker 4>firearms became the arms, and people outside the military have

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<v Speaker 4>no idea of this. The actual percentage of your say,

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<v Speaker 4>infantry men who will point a gun at an enemy

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<v Speaker 4>and pull the trigger is low.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not even close to one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't remember the numbers, and it changed conflict to conflict,

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<v Speaker 4>but it was like maybe half, maybe half of human

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<v Speaker 4>beings can overcome their horror at killing another human being

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<v Speaker 4>and actually even that trigger.

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<v Speaker 2>Even when they might be wanting to kill you. Correct.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And the way militaries, including the United States military,

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<v Speaker 4>which was one of one of the leaders in this,

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<v Speaker 4>the way they got much more effective at that and

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<v Speaker 4>desensitized these you know, boys and men and shopkeepers and

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<v Speaker 4>whomever else who was put in the position of being

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<v Speaker 4>a soldier was they made. They went away from like

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<v Speaker 4>bulls eyes and non human targets, and they slowly but

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<v Speaker 4>surely introduced people to you are shooting at a human being,

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<v Speaker 4>and they had them do it over and over and

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<v Speaker 4>over again, literally desensitizing them to the idea of, oh

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<v Speaker 4>my god, I'm shooting at a person, and that got

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<v Speaker 4>them to be more effective soldiers. And you need effective soldiers,

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<v Speaker 4>particularly if you're on the side of good.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm not against this.

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<v Speaker 4>In fact, the fact that I'm for it, I think

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<v Speaker 4>makes me a fairly honest broker in telling you desensitization

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<v Speaker 4>has an effect.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, even if.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not, it's going to make it more likely our

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<v Speaker 1>kids are out there being killers, which you know we

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<v Speaker 1>haven't yet.

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<v Speaker 2>It takes a lot more than that.

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<v Speaker 1>Just the political side of you're not as affected by

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<v Speaker 1>this sort of thing would be bad because you should

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<v Speaker 1>be very affected by this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, I am Michael. You had a point.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, what Joe said, though, slowly but surely, when we

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<v Speaker 8>grew up, we were we went in steps.

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<v Speaker 4>You got a little more violent and a little more profanity,

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<v Speaker 4>a little bit more nudity.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it all comes at one time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that well, I mean, that's that's the classic

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<v Speaker 1>thing they talk about porn. Why it's so awful for people.

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<v Speaker 1>Your your brain adjusts to various things, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>need something more extreme to get the same reaction out

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<v Speaker 1>of you. Well, in this case, if the reaction you

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<v Speaker 1>want with the porn is you know, uh, you get

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<v Speaker 1>turned on.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>In this case, the reaction we want is people being horrified,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, this person was killed. What can we

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<v Speaker 1>do in our politics to make it less likely somebody

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<v Speaker 1>has gunned down? But if your reaction is eh, well

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<v Speaker 1>then nobody's going to do anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I wish I had something eloquent to say at

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<v Speaker 2>this point, but I'll bet, I'll bet.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, since it happened from both Hanson and I,

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<v Speaker 1>but this was a common thing all across the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Parents who had seen the video or aware of the video,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you find out your kids have seen it

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<v Speaker 1>multiple times before you even get to them.

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<v Speaker 2>M that's that's rough.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't know what they're I don't suppose

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<v Speaker 1>there's any change in that I mean, I can't imagine

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<v Speaker 1>what it would be.

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<v Speaker 4>So if you're just joining us, I think we're going

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<v Speaker 4>to fairly soon, certainly next hour kind of rewind to

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<v Speaker 4>the beginning again and play more of Charlie Kirk doing

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<v Speaker 4>what he does did, which was say, hey, we disagree,

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<v Speaker 4>but we can talk. Let's talk, and for that he

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<v Speaker 4>was assassinated. And some reactions from the right end left.

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<v Speaker 1>If this Wall Street Journal report turns out to be

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<v Speaker 1>true that this was an Antifa sort of trans what

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<v Speaker 1>would you call that, trans warrior sort of person, that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a big political story also.

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<v Speaker 2>Where this goes.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody knows, Okay, to help us, all right, stay tuned.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a dark day for our state. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>tragic day for our nation.

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<v Speaker 8>I want to be very clear that this is a

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<v Speaker 8>political assassination.

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<v Speaker 1>The very very impressive Governor Spencer Cox of Utah yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>who ended up being quite the voice in the midst

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<v Speaker 1>of this tragedy, but pointing out, yes, this is very

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<v Speaker 1>clearly a political assassination. You cannot be okay with political assassinations,

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<v Speaker 1>no matter what.

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<v Speaker 4>There's no getting around that, right, agreed, one hundred percent.

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<v Speaker 4>Some more of Charlie Kirk and his messaging, his ideas

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<v Speaker 4>an evangelist for the open exchange of ideas without fear

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<v Speaker 4>in America.

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<v Speaker 2>He is murdered for that.

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<v Speaker 4>Andy Know, the journalist who has been in the crosshairs

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<v Speaker 4>of the radical transgender crowd and Antifa for ages.

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<v Speaker 2>He was beaten down.

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<v Speaker 4>He gets death threats all the time, as he makes

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<v Speaker 4>clear in another article. We might get to but he

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<v Speaker 4>says a reminder that transactivist to Anthony Aaron Reid has

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<v Speaker 4>been targeting Charlie Kirk for years and sicking is radicalized

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<v Speaker 4>ranged trans followers on him and those involved with Turning

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<v Speaker 4>Point USA. Oh, if you're just tuning in, law enforcement

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<v Speaker 4>sources are saying and have shared with each other in writing.

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<v Speaker 4>I've seen it that the unused ammunition in the murderer's

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<v Speaker 4>rifle had various and anti fashioned Antifa and pro trans

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<v Speaker 4>words scratched into the ammunition. For what it's worth, Read

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<v Speaker 4>is popular with the trans extremists, including these Zizian trans

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<v Speaker 4>death cults, which you may recall us talking about. I

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<v Speaker 4>found Read's content uploaded on the cult leader's blog.

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<v Speaker 1>We wouldn't be we wouldn't be running with this conversation

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<v Speaker 1>because the speculation like this sort of thing is irresponsible.

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<v Speaker 1>But the Wall Street Journal reporting it, I gotta believe

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<v Speaker 1>they are very solidly believed.

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<v Speaker 2>That this was true. They wouldn't put it out there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I've actually read the actual law enforcement memo too. It's

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<v Speaker 4>authentic anyway. So this person that Andy No just mentioned

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<v Speaker 4>back in twenty twenty three, he reported the Antifa violence

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<v Speaker 4>that you see Davis, which you may or may recall

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<v Speaker 4>in California, was incited with the help of disinformation pusher,

0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:14.440
<v Speaker 4>slash serial hoaxer Aaron Reid formerly known as Anthony Reid.

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<v Speaker 4>Reid spread the lie that Charlie Kirk called for lynchings

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<v Speaker 4>wow to millions on Twitter, and the Sacramento B by

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<v Speaker 4>the way, published that lie. Oh my god back in

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<v Speaker 4>twenty three. Oh my god, is Saron Reid posted Charlie Kirk,

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<v Speaker 4>CEO of Turning Point USA, is openly calling for the

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<v Speaker 4>lynchings of transgender individuals. Says that transgender people should be

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<v Speaker 4>dealt with like men did in the fifties and sixties.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's the latest major conservative calling for violence against us.

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<v Speaker 4>Never happened, not a word, and ya, the Sacramento B

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<v Speaker 4>publicized that.

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<v Speaker 1>And obviously, if you hear that and believe it, and

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<v Speaker 1>why wouldn't you believe something that's in a major newspaper,

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<v Speaker 1>you could justify your physic your political violence in your mind,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if you're not completely mentally healthy.

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<v Speaker 2>They later issued a correction. Did the Sacramento.

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<v Speaker 1>Bateoh yeah, that is unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>Andy no also wrote.

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<v Speaker 4>In November twenty, I made the decision to leave not

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<v Speaker 4>only Portland, Oregon, my home, but the United States altogether.

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<v Speaker 4>I had survived in Antifa mob beating in twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 4>but the following seventeen months brought a flood of death

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<v Speaker 4>threats that escalated in frequency and severity. Most were vague,

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<v Speaker 4>but some were chillingly specific, from people who claimed to

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<v Speaker 4>be local, who knew where I lived, Antifa had posted

0:35:43.480 --> 0:35:45.960
<v Speaker 4>my parents' address online, and who sent photos of the

0:35:45.960 --> 0:35:48.800
<v Speaker 4>guns they intended to kill me with. I reported dozens

0:35:48.800 --> 0:35:51.560
<v Speaker 4>of these arrests to Portland police. Not one led to

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<v Speaker 4>an arrest. That's incredible and not surprising both.

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<v Speaker 1>There's quite a bit of audio out there of Charlie Kurr,

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<v Speaker 1>and we are going to play more of him arguing

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<v Speaker 1>with college kids because it's so damned interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>A little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Later, but there's a lot of audio about him talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the death threats he got. I mean, he knew

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<v Speaker 1>how many people out there, crazy people were out to

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<v Speaker 1>get him. He and his wife doesn't make it any

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<v Speaker 1>less awful.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, the number of activists saying good job that bullet

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<v Speaker 4>had a good day is just shocking.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh God, that's disturbing.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we got a lot more on the way. I

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<v Speaker 1>hope you can stay with us, Armstrong and Getty