Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty.
Speaker 2: Armstrong and Gatty and he Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 3: And I'll be honest with you, I am an utter
Speaker 3: disbelief at this.
Speaker 2: I sat in this.
Speaker 3: Room last summer the night they shot the president, and
Speaker 3: now they shot Charlie. And I'm not sure it's safe
Speaker 3: to be an outspoken conservative walking around in America right now.
Speaker 4: At Scott Jennings frequently seen on CNN, he was a
Speaker 4: friend of Charlie Kirk's.
Speaker 1: I went to Mark Halprin's whatever he calls his thing
Speaker 1: he does live on YouTube shortly after it happened. Before
Speaker 1: it happened, had been announced that Charlie Kirk had died,
Speaker 1: and Mark Halpern barely could get through a sentence. He
Speaker 1: had interviewed him yesterday and they're close friends and had
Speaker 1: been with his wife and kids just like hours, you know,
Speaker 1: before this happened. And there's a lot of people with
Speaker 1: really good things to say about Charlie Kirk as just
Speaker 1: an individual human. Yeah, worth mentioning, because you know there
Speaker 1: should be some uh, you should get some credit for
Speaker 1: being a decent person and loving dad.
Speaker 2: And all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: But even if he weren't, even if he was, you know,
Speaker 1: the whole young dad, thirty one, married kids, devoted blah blah,
Speaker 1: that is makes it awful. But if it was an
Speaker 1: eighty year old single guy who was actually kind of
Speaker 1: a jerk, it's still going to destroy our country, right
Speaker 1: if we allow political violence.
Speaker 4: Oh, but to hear the whole package cheered by activists
Speaker 4: and young people the assassination of the young man, it's
Speaker 4: just it makes me fear for their soul. And I
Speaker 4: don't mean in a biblical way, whether they can be salvaged.
Speaker 4: I think there can be some depprogramming of kids who've
Speaker 4: been taught to hate by the adults we trusted to
Speaker 4: educate them, but I don't honestly know.
Speaker 2: Speaking of which, a.
Speaker 1: Quick update on the crime itself, the assassination itself, in
Speaker 1: the search for the killer, because it is a almost
Speaker 1: unheard of situation where we have an assassination and they
Speaker 1: have no idea who did it or where they are.
Speaker 1: That doesn't usually happen with high profile assassinations. They FBI
Speaker 1: announced not that long ago they found the gun.
Speaker 2: They have a good video of the dude.
Speaker 1: It's a young college age man, and so they will
Speaker 1: catch him.
Speaker 2: I'd be shocked.
Speaker 4: There's no need, there's no hurry to leap to conclusions.
Speaker 4: But that does sound more and more like indoctrination rather than,
Speaker 4: you know, just plain insanity. Anyway, we'll find out. It's
Speaker 4: worth noting that some of the most vehement, hateful rhetoric
Speaker 4: about Charlie Kirk came from the radical gender side of things,
Speaker 4: which is just part of postmodernism, neo Marxism, etc. And
Speaker 4: we've explained that and talked about that before and we
Speaker 4: will again, I'm sure. But they despised the guy partly,
Speaker 4: mostly because he was an eloquent and compassionate defender of
Speaker 4: a position that contradicted theirs completely. And one thing about
Speaker 4: Marxists is they will They will lie and lie and lie,
Speaker 4: and then if you are successful in calling out their lives,
Speaker 4: they will kill you. And all you have to do
Speaker 4: is look at Like every Marxist revolution in the history
Speaker 4: of mankind, certainly nineteenth century on, it happens all the time.
Speaker 4: There are various people involved in the revolution, and then
Speaker 4: one of them goes against whoever has the power. They're
Speaker 4: branded a counter revolutionary and put up against the wall.
Speaker 4: And as they're executing you know, whatev Trotzky or whoever
Speaker 4: you want to route take.
Speaker 1: Pierre was a guillotine, Jay guvera, whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in Cuba, as they're up against the wall, they're
Speaker 4: thinking counter revolutionary. That's hilarious. I was standing right next
Speaker 4: to you during the revolution. Oh well, that's the way
Speaker 4: it goes. So that's just the way Marxism operates. Having
Speaker 4: said that, getting back to the hatred of the radical
Speaker 4: left alphabet community for Charlie Kirk. Here is Charlie on
Speaker 4: a college campus talking to a quote unquote transgender person.
Speaker 5: I just want to say, I'm a transgender male. What
Speaker 5: age should kids be able to get things like hormone therapy?
Speaker 5: Because I don't know what's true what's not.
Speaker 6: Tell me, are you comfortable telling me your story?
Speaker 5: I've known that since like third grade, and I'm currently
Speaker 5: nineteen almost twenty. I've known basically since then. I didn't
Speaker 5: start going by like a different name until seventh and
Speaker 5: eighth grade. I just don't know, like with the like
Speaker 5: the whole medical stuff, like what's true, what's not, what's helpful?
Speaker 5: Because I've heard so many different opinions. First of all,
Speaker 5: thank you so much for that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and so I'm going to have an opinion that
Speaker 6: very few people will ever tell you, which is I
Speaker 6: want you to be very cautious putting drugs into your
Speaker 6: system in the pursuit of changing your body. I instead
Speaker 6: encourage you to work on what's going on in your
Speaker 6: brain first. I think what you need first and foremost
Speaker 6: is just a diagnosis, just someone that is going to
Speaker 6: listen to what you've gone through, listen to what else
Speaker 6: is going on. My prayer for you, and again very
Speaker 6: people will say this, I actually want to see you
Speaker 6: be comfortable in how you were born.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I know that you might not feel that way, but
Speaker 6: I think that is something that you can achieve. I
Speaker 6: think that with the right team and the right people,
Speaker 6: you don't have to wage war on your body.
Speaker 2: You can learn to love your body.
Speaker 4: That's the hate speech you hear the left talking about
Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk speaking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I mean if we can't have discussions like that,
Speaker 1: like I've been saying since the show started, we are doomed.
Speaker 1: I flipped on MSNBC, so I got the alert that
Speaker 1: Charlie Cooks you'd been shot. My first thought yesterday was,
Speaker 1: holy crap, this is really bad. I dial up my
Speaker 1: phone on in my car first cable news channel that
Speaker 1: is up as MSNBC. That's how I ended up on it.
Speaker 1: And immediately Katie Turr and Matthew Dowd, who are common
Speaker 1: all day long sorts of MSNBC hosts, we're doing a
Speaker 1: laundry list of horrible positions. Charlie Kirk had held with
Speaker 1: the obvious implication that he brought this on himself. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the reason you go through the list of the
Speaker 1: things that you think are so aborbent, abhorrent. Well, you
Speaker 1: just heard that conversation right there. How hateful did that
Speaker 1: sound to you?
Speaker 2: Right right?
Speaker 1: By the way I talked about the Mark halpern video
Speaker 1: I went too shortly thereafter it was live and him
Speaker 1: barely able to getting through it, and he said, by
Speaker 1: the way, the discussion I just saw on MSNBC was disgusting,
Speaker 1: So he didn't make much of it, although the at
Speaker 1: least one of the people involved in that discussion got
Speaker 1: fired immediately by NBC.
Speaker 4: To their credit, right, I would agree, why don't we
Speaker 4: will go ahead and pay that off? In the next segment,
Speaker 4: it was as stupid as it was ugly, notably anyway.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, but the almost universal condemnation of this, I
Speaker 1: mean it is heartening. I don't think it's going to
Speaker 1: be enough, unfortunately, with the way our media works and
Speaker 1: where our culture is currently. But to have ABC News
Speaker 1: treat this the way it should have been treated last night,
Speaker 1: I thought it was fantastic news.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 4: I would agree it was refreshing, and I hope it
Speaker 4: is a trend that continues. Again, I'm not sure it's
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Speaker 4: I was thinking of the at least three specific levels
Speaker 4: of this story.
Speaker 2: You've got the.
Speaker 1: Personal of a thirty one year old dad with two
Speaker 1: little kids and a wife being shot to death. I mean,
Speaker 1: if he was you know, he ran a taco stand,
Speaker 1: that's a horrifying, horrifying tragedy. Then you've got the political
Speaker 1: violence that is becoming more commonplace in our country and
Speaker 1: just way too many people that think political violence is justified,
Speaker 1: which is its own awful, awful story. Then you've got
Speaker 1: the angle that this murderous scumbag who they will catch,
Speaker 1: probably made a significant dent in the youth conservative movement
Speaker 1: because you don't come across Charlie Kirk every day.
Speaker 2: No, you not. You can't easily replace people like that.
Speaker 4: Well, that's one of the reasons it is so abhorrent
Speaker 4: and verbot in political violence, because often it accomplishes what
Speaker 4: the shooter an wanted to right right, Not not always,
Speaker 4: but often, and so every single man, woman and child
Speaker 4: in society must be vehemently against it.
Speaker 2: That's the only protection against it.
Speaker 4: Anyway, MSNBC covered themselves in inglory yesterday and shame. We'll
Speaker 4: play some of those clips for you coming up, plus
Speaker 4: some more of Charlie Cook engaging fully, openly, willingly, happily
Speaker 4: with people who disagreed with him, and that's what got
Speaker 4: him murdered.
Speaker 2: Sickening.
Speaker 1: How about those poor college kids who were in the
Speaker 1: front rows who saw that with their own eyes? Oh
Speaker 1: my god, Oh that is rough. Okay, we get a
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Speaker 7: We have some breaking news from Utah that we want
Speaker 7: to get to right now. Shots fired during a speech
Speaker 7: by right wing activist Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University
Speaker 7: in Orum. This happened really just moments ago. Kirk was
Speaker 7: about twenty minutes into his speech when shots were fired
Speaker 7: from a nearby building. According to the university, there are
Speaker 7: reports that Kirk was hit, but as far as they know,
Speaker 7: but we're not clear on them as of right now.
Speaker 1: That was as it broke yesterday on MSNBC. And nobody
Speaker 1: likes me media bashing more than me. But I'd say,
Speaker 1: in general, the media did a really good job yesterday.
Speaker 1: I mean, better than I've seen in a long time.
Speaker 1: This is not an example of that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the further left you got, the more sickening it was,
Speaker 4: I would agree. Things quickly went sideways, both idiotic and
Speaker 4: disgusting and hateful. Katie Turr continuing with Matthew Dowd.
Speaker 7: Matthew, I'm going to bring you in on this. Talk
Speaker 7: to me about the environment. You know we are there
Speaker 7: are reports of exactly what happened are not confirmed yet,
Speaker 7: But talk to me about the environment in which a
Speaker 7: shooting like this happens.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and again emphasize what you just emphasized. We don't
Speaker 8: know any of the full details of this that we
Speaker 8: don't know if this was a supporter shooting their gun
Speaker 8: off in celebration or so we have no idea about this.
Speaker 1: So I was listening to that live yesterday actually, and
Speaker 1: I he's been fired.
Speaker 2: Matthew Dowd.
Speaker 1: He's a long time political strategist back in the day,
Speaker 1: that's how he made his living. Then he turned against
Speaker 1: the Republican Party. So he became a darling of NBC
Speaker 1: and he's a regular on Meet the Press and has
Speaker 1: been for years. And I've always hated him because that
Speaker 1: whole turning against your party and then bad mouthing the
Speaker 1: things you in theory believed your whole life to make
Speaker 1: a living, I find disgusting.
Speaker 2: And he's one of those guys.
Speaker 1: But when he said the whole a supporter shooting his
Speaker 1: gun off, I've hed that's just stupid. I didn't know
Speaker 1: he'd end up getting fired, Like I buy. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: hinted that utaws lacks gun laws. That sort of thing
Speaker 1: happens all the time. It's just absolutely absurd.
Speaker 4: He's the soul iss hack, like so many of those people,
Speaker 4: they don't believe anything. But then it turned truly horrifying
Speaker 4: and illuminating about the way people like him think.
Speaker 8: He's been one of the most divisive, especially devisive younger
Speaker 8: figures in this who is constantly sort of pushing this
Speaker 8: sort of hate speech or aimed at certain groups. And
Speaker 8: I always go back to hateful thoughts lead to hateful words,
Speaker 8: which then lead to hateful actions. And I think that's
Speaker 8: the environment we're in that people just you can't stop
Speaker 8: with these sort of awful thoughts you have and then
Speaker 8: saying these awful words and not expect awful actions to
Speaker 8: take place.
Speaker 2: And that's the nfortunate environment we're in. And that's what
Speaker 2: he got fired for saying.
Speaker 1: A guy, especially again, even if it was a firebrand,
Speaker 1: you don't need to say that in the moments it happened.
Speaker 1: But since it was Charlie Kirk, who's like the calmost,
Speaker 1: most reasonable debater you could possibly imagine, to say, Lelly
Speaker 1: brought it on himself. And please note the repeated use
Speaker 1: of the term hate spec what are you talking merely
Speaker 1: disagreeing with the radical left?
Speaker 2: That's the old technique.
Speaker 4: I think everybody's hip to that right now they call
Speaker 4: everything they disagree with hate speech, and they also say
Speaker 4: speech is violence, which then defies violent.
Speaker 1: Right, you're equating it, Well, he was shooting his mouth
Speaker 1: off so he could be shot they all are.
Speaker 2: Just one of the same.
Speaker 4: Well, if it was ninety percent sure he'd be fired
Speaker 4: after that filth.
Speaker 8: He went on, This is we're the only country that
Speaker 8: this is going on in this way, and we have
Speaker 8: this awful, toxic stew of political, divisive hate speech that's
Speaker 8: being pushed and combined with simultaneous combined with unbelievable access
Speaker 8: that people have to guns and guns at every level,
Speaker 8: not just handguns or shotguns, but you know, assault rifles
Speaker 8: in this and this. As I say, we're one of
Speaker 8: one in the in the world.
Speaker 2: Goodbye.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: To NBC's credit, they fired him, I mean like within
Speaker 1: hours of that, So I'm good for them, and that
Speaker 1: will get the attention of other pundits who realize, Oh,
Speaker 1: I guess you just can't say anything when somebody on
Speaker 1: the other side gets hurt or killed.
Speaker 2: Thank god, we got to get we got to break
Speaker 2: out of that somehow.
Speaker 1: Like I said earlier, I can't picture some of the
Speaker 1: left wing nuts that I actually hate if I heard
Speaker 1: they got shot being happy about it.
Speaker 2: I just I can't even imagine it.
Speaker 4: No, that's horrifying. You have no soul. You're a bad person.
Speaker 4: Perhaps you are led to being a bad person by
Speaker 4: the people who are supposed to educate you. Or maybe
Speaker 4: you've had trauma in your life or something, but your
Speaker 4: soul has been damaged to the point that you are
Speaker 4: a bad person if you think those things.
Speaker 1: Well, even if it's not about the individual losing their
Speaker 1: life and what that means to their loved ones, what
Speaker 1: it does to our politics, how can you possibly think
Speaker 1: that's a step in the right direction. You're nuts if
Speaker 1: you think somebody being gunned down from the other side
Speaker 1: is going to advance the country.
Speaker 2: JB.
Speaker 4: Pritzker stood up and decried political violence, then said it's
Speaker 4: Donald Trump and his rhetoric that causes this sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: It was just, this is speaking of people you despise.
Speaker 2: I believe JB.
Speaker 4: Prisker is an evil presence on the American scene, and
Speaker 4: if somebody were to shoot him in the throat, I
Speaker 4: would be horrified by that, just horrified. Anyway, Like I said,
Speaker 4: I feel like the mainstream media did a really good
Speaker 4: job on this for the most part. I did not
Speaker 4: like the New York Times headline that he had at
Speaker 4: least part of the day. Yesterday, Charlie Kirk dies at
Speaker 4: age thirty one. Dies Wow. Boy, they try hard, don't they.
Speaker 4: Even when there's nothing there, they try to find a way.
Speaker 1: I'm just used to the fact that, of course he
Speaker 1: was called right wing or ultra right wing activist, whereas
Speaker 1: if somebody of the far left were assassinated, you would
Speaker 1: just be an activist.
Speaker 2: Right sure, speaker, a politician.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but I'm used what of the videos being
Speaker 4: showed over and over again on social media. Jack and
Speaker 4: I have somewhat differing opinions on this, but when it
Speaker 4: comes to kids, I think we're a humble percent god and.
Speaker 1: You talk about and there's no stop on that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So we'll talk about that coming up. Stay tuned.
Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty please.
Speaker 9: Did not give any specifics other than to say that
Speaker 9: there are surveillange footage of a person wearing all black
Speaker 9: that they are studying.
Speaker 2: They believe that.
Speaker 9: The shot that killed Kirk was fired from a higher
Speaker 9: location than the venue where Kirk was speaking. There was
Speaker 9: some confusion earlier today because an elderly man was taken
Speaker 9: into custody in the moments.
Speaker 2: After the attack.
Speaker 9: We are told it was determined that he is not
Speaker 9: the shooter and has been cleared.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you were bouncing around on social media yesterday
Speaker 1: trying to get the latest. There were some pictures going
Speaker 1: around with this old guy they had down on his
Speaker 1: hands and knees, and that he was the.
Speaker 2: Shooter, and turned out he was not at all.
Speaker 4: And of course the internet did what the internet does,
Speaker 4: and it was analyzing it and attributing motives to him,
Speaker 4: and how he came to decide that was a good
Speaker 4: idea when it wasn't him at all. And it's worth
Speaker 4: taking this breaking news with a bit of a grain
Speaker 4: of salt, although I would point out that the Wall
Speaker 4: Street Journal, which is among the soberest publications going, has
Speaker 4: a source that they believe is credible enough to print this.
Speaker 2: This is big. Listen to this, pay attention.
Speaker 4: Investigators found ammunition engraved with expressions of transgender and anti
Speaker 4: fascist ideology inside the rifle that the authorities believe was
Speaker 4: used in the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk, according to
Speaker 4: an internal law enforcement bulletin and a person familiar with
Speaker 4: the investigation.
Speaker 1: And when they say anti fascist, that would be antifa,
Speaker 1: right right exactly.
Speaker 4: And they are not anti fascists, they are atic leftists.
Speaker 4: They cover their horrors by claiming their anti fascist they're
Speaker 4: anti anything but them. The older modern model thirty caliber
Speaker 4: hunting rifle was discovered in the woods near the scene
Speaker 4: the shooting, this wrapped in a towel with a spent
Speaker 4: cartridge still in the chamber. The sources said there are
Speaker 4: also three unspent rounds in the magazine, all with wording
Speaker 4: on them.
Speaker 1: So, first of all, this has become a thing. I
Speaker 1: guess these nutjob murderers, like the guy who murdered the
Speaker 1: healthcare ceo writing things on their ammunition, right, And that's
Speaker 1: an interesting aspect of the modern crazy assassin. The Wall
Speaker 1: Street Journal is a very serious publication, and especially in
Speaker 1: this moment, I would think they were not a chance
Speaker 1: they would put that out unless they believed it were true.
Speaker 1: It does seem a little too perfect. I mean, if
Speaker 1: I were hearing it from anywhere else, I would think, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is one of those things that somebody put out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know what you mean.
Speaker 4: The fact that it's an internal law enforcement bulletin and
Speaker 4: a person familiar with the investigation substantiating it. And it's
Speaker 4: also I think it's significant that Charlie Kirk was discussing
Speaker 4: transgender recent mass murderers. Yeah, that's what I was gonna
Speaker 4: mention is when he was killed, and those people, the
Speaker 4: radical gender crowd hates him more vehemently than anyone.
Speaker 1: So Jason Chafitz, I don't know if you remember him,
Speaker 1: but he was a pretty prominent house member from Utah
Speaker 1: before he retired quite a few years back, and then
Speaker 1: he became a Fox commentator, has his own show and everything.
Speaker 1: But he was there close to Charlie Kirk when the
Speaker 1: shooting happened. He was at the event, and so he
Speaker 1: was on Fox right away, obviously highly disturbed because he
Speaker 1: was close enough to see what happened. He said somebody
Speaker 1: had asked a question about transgender and mass shootings right
Speaker 1: at the time when the shot rang out, and he
Speaker 1: was connecting the two. Now, it seems unlikely. I suppose
Speaker 1: it's possible. But if the guy was six hundred feet away,
Speaker 1: did he hear the specific question was that and did
Speaker 1: he know that question was coming. If somebody didn't ask
Speaker 1: that question, was he not going to shoot him? I'm
Speaker 1: just finding it hard to believe that they're connected.
Speaker 4: Well, they had a pretty good pa, so I gotta believe, yeah,
Speaker 4: he could hear him, But the idea that he was
Speaker 4: there debating whether to shoot the guy or not, or
Speaker 4: waiting till something particularly objectionable came up by that seems
Speaker 4: like a stretch.
Speaker 1: So it's just an awful coincidence. Uh yeah, yeah, in
Speaker 1: a way.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It's also it was absolutely certain that that topic would
Speaker 4: come up at a Charlie Kirk event, whether the radical
Speaker 4: gender theory crowd and indoctrinating kids or specifically transgender shooters.
Speaker 1: I mean that was like, if you don't know Charlie
Speaker 1: Kirk's act and you hear anybody talking about how hateful
Speaker 1: he was, most likely what they're talking about is trans
Speaker 1: issue stuff. Yeah, and if you're on the other side
Speaker 1: of the trans thing that you are branded immediately as
Speaker 1: a hateful, awful, violence's speech, bigot sort of person.
Speaker 4: Right, even though virtually nobody on earth advocated the radical
Speaker 4: left gender position ten years ago, nobody now, anybody who says,
Speaker 4: can we wait a minute and talk about this is
Speaker 4: branded as a vicious hater who commits violence through their
Speaker 4: words and therefore is deserving of violence. So executive producer
Speaker 4: Hanson and I both had the same disturbing thing. Hanson,
Speaker 4: do you want to come tell the story how it unfolded?
Speaker 1: On the air. Do you just want me to characterize
Speaker 1: where you just want me to tell it? So Hanson's
Speaker 1: version is a little worse than mine because his son
Speaker 1: is younger than mine, but it's bad all the way around.
Speaker 1: So I was picking up my sophomore in high school
Speaker 1: from school yesterday at two point fifteen. This wasn't that
Speaker 1: long after this horrifying event occurred, and we knew that
Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk was dead. Hansen was picking up his thirteen
Speaker 1: year old and both of us we're dealing with, well,
Speaker 1: we got to, you know, we gotta tell our kids
Speaker 1: that this awful thing happened, and couch it in the
Speaker 1: way you want to couch it as a parent to
Speaker 1: a youth that age, et cetera, et cetera. We both
Speaker 1: found out immediately, Oh yeah, I've seen the video, the
Speaker 1: whole video, the worst video, the close up video that
Speaker 1: shows the you know, the worst of it. Our kids
Speaker 1: had seen this multiple times at school because you know,
Speaker 1: anybody it's got a smartphone could access it, and everybody
Speaker 1: was passing it around and watching it. And uh, how
Speaker 1: disturbed did your son seem to be by it? What
Speaker 1: bothered me is my son seemed to pretty blase about it. Hanson,
Speaker 1: was he rattled or not. I don't know if that
Speaker 1: makes any difference, but I just this is a separate
Speaker 1: topic really, because our kids have access to all this
Speaker 1: just extreme sex and violence all the time that we
Speaker 1: have no control over, yes, anymore.
Speaker 2: That is extremely disturbing.
Speaker 4: I'd say, when you put it like that, I remember
Speaker 4: as a teenager that there were the faces of death
Speaker 4: videos were pretty popular, and I didn't enjoy them at all.
Speaker 4: The one time I was exposed to one is absolutely horrifying.
Speaker 4: Other people were grimly fascinated by them, and they didn't
Speaker 4: all grow up to be serial killers. I think it's
Speaker 4: a very person by person reaction, depending on your level.
Speaker 2: Of empathy or what have you.
Speaker 4: But the way you put it that the kids are
Speaker 4: just exposed to, you know, filth of every sort, willy nilly,
Speaker 4: I mean, never mind the Charlie Kirk horror.
Speaker 2: That's just that's that's not good. But so today's nine
Speaker 2: to eleven.
Speaker 1: You know, the days of a tragic news event happening
Speaker 1: and then you deciding how you want to talk to
Speaker 1: your kids about it are over unless you're like there
Speaker 1: at the moment the news event occurs, with them, they're
Speaker 1: going to get all of the worst aspects of it
Speaker 1: and the untrue stuff and the fake videos and everything
Speaker 1: else before you even get to them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's rough. I wish I had a single idea
Speaker 4: what to tell you. And if you're thinking, well, my
Speaker 4: kid doesn't have a smartphone, well everybody around.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Your point about they didn't all grow up to be
Speaker 1: serial killers is absolutely true. Is it an age thing
Speaker 1: you don't fully understand? I mean, clearly we all know
Speaker 1: this because we were all young at one point in
Speaker 1: a long, long time ago. You develop a full understanding
Speaker 1: of what it means to be a thirty one year
Speaker 1: old dad killed in front of your little kids.
Speaker 2: When you're older and you become.
Speaker 1: A mom or dad and have kids, you just don't
Speaker 1: quite have the same understanding of it when you're young.
Speaker 1: That's just you know, that's just the state of being
Speaker 1: a human. So is there no harm, no foul?
Speaker 7: Then?
Speaker 1: Like I have watched movies with my son that are
Speaker 1: pretty edgy violence wise, and these are like, what's the
Speaker 1: big deal? Like he's heard about pulp fiction or whatever,
Speaker 1: and then we watch it and he's like, what this
Speaker 1: is supposed to be a big deal. He's so desensitized
Speaker 1: to like this sort of thing, he can't be like
Speaker 1: he's like bored with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that's healthy. It can't be.
Speaker 4: No, And there's not like a one hundred percent correlation
Speaker 4: between you know, that feeling about violence and obviously committing
Speaker 4: acts of violence or what have you. But I've made
Speaker 4: reference to Dave Grossman's fabulous book on Killing more than Once,
Speaker 4: and the one aspect of the book that's absolutely undeniable
Speaker 4: is that the armies through history, particularly since you know,
Speaker 4: firearms became the arms, and people outside the military have
Speaker 4: no idea of this. The actual percentage of your say,
Speaker 4: infantry men who will point a gun at an enemy
Speaker 4: and pull the trigger is low.
Speaker 2: It's not even close to one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: I don't remember the numbers, and it changed conflict to conflict,
Speaker 4: but it was like maybe half, maybe half of human
Speaker 4: beings can overcome their horror at killing another human being
Speaker 4: and actually even that trigger.
Speaker 2: Even when they might be wanting to kill you. Correct.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the way militaries, including the United States military,
Speaker 4: which was one of one of the leaders in this,
Speaker 4: the way they got much more effective at that and
Speaker 4: desensitized these you know, boys and men and shopkeepers and
Speaker 4: whomever else who was put in the position of being
Speaker 4: a soldier was they made. They went away from like
Speaker 4: bulls eyes and non human targets, and they slowly but
Speaker 4: surely introduced people to you are shooting at a human being,
Speaker 4: and they had them do it over and over and
Speaker 4: over again, literally desensitizing them to the idea of, oh
Speaker 4: my god, I'm shooting at a person, and that got
Speaker 4: them to be more effective soldiers. And you need effective soldiers,
Speaker 4: particularly if you're on the side of good.
Speaker 2: So I'm not against this.
Speaker 4: In fact, the fact that I'm for it, I think
Speaker 4: makes me a fairly honest broker in telling you desensitization
Speaker 4: has an effect.
Speaker 2: Well, even if.
Speaker 1: It's not, it's going to make it more likely our
Speaker 1: kids are out there being killers, which you know we
Speaker 1: haven't yet.
Speaker 2: It takes a lot more than that.
Speaker 1: Just the political side of you're not as affected by
Speaker 1: this sort of thing would be bad because you should
Speaker 1: be very affected by this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I am Michael. You had a point.
Speaker 8: Yeah, what Joe said, though, slowly but surely, when we
Speaker 8: grew up, we were we went in steps.
Speaker 4: You got a little more violent and a little more profanity,
Speaker 4: a little bit more nudity.
Speaker 2: Now it all comes at one time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that well, I mean, that's that's the classic
Speaker 1: thing they talk about porn. Why it's so awful for people.
Speaker 1: Your your brain adjusts to various things, and then you
Speaker 1: need something more extreme to get the same reaction out
Speaker 1: of you. Well, in this case, if the reaction you
Speaker 1: want with the porn is you know, uh, you get
Speaker 1: turned on.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: In this case, the reaction we want is people being horrified,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this person was killed. What can we
Speaker 1: do in our politics to make it less likely somebody
Speaker 1: has gunned down? But if your reaction is eh, well
Speaker 1: then nobody's going to do anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I wish I had something eloquent to say at
Speaker 2: this point, but I'll bet, I'll bet.
Speaker 1: I mean, since it happened from both Hanson and I,
Speaker 1: but this was a common thing all across the country.
Speaker 1: Parents who had seen the video or aware of the video,
Speaker 1: and then you find out your kids have seen it
Speaker 1: multiple times before you even get to them.
Speaker 2: M that's that's rough.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what they're I don't suppose
Speaker 1: there's any change in that I mean, I can't imagine
Speaker 1: what it would be.
Speaker 4: So if you're just joining us, I think we're going
Speaker 4: to fairly soon, certainly next hour kind of rewind to
Speaker 4: the beginning again and play more of Charlie Kirk doing
Speaker 4: what he does did, which was say, hey, we disagree,
Speaker 4: but we can talk. Let's talk, and for that he
Speaker 4: was assassinated. And some reactions from the right end left.
Speaker 1: If this Wall Street Journal report turns out to be
Speaker 1: true that this was an Antifa sort of trans what
Speaker 1: would you call that, trans warrior sort of person, that's
Speaker 1: going to be a big political story also.
Speaker 2: Where this goes.
Speaker 1: Nobody knows, Okay, to help us, all right, stay tuned.
Speaker 2: This is a dark day for our state. It's a
Speaker 2: tragic day for our nation.
Speaker 8: I want to be very clear that this is a
Speaker 8: political assassination.
Speaker 1: The very very impressive Governor Spencer Cox of Utah yesterday
Speaker 1: who ended up being quite the voice in the midst
Speaker 1: of this tragedy, but pointing out, yes, this is very
Speaker 1: clearly a political assassination. You cannot be okay with political assassinations,
Speaker 1: no matter what.
Speaker 4: There's no getting around that, right, agreed, one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: Some more of Charlie Kirk and his messaging, his ideas
Speaker 4: an evangelist for the open exchange of ideas without fear
Speaker 4: in America.
Speaker 2: He is murdered for that.
Speaker 4: Andy Know, the journalist who has been in the crosshairs
Speaker 4: of the radical transgender crowd and Antifa for ages.
Speaker 2: He was beaten down.
Speaker 4: He gets death threats all the time, as he makes
Speaker 4: clear in another article. We might get to but he
Speaker 4: says a reminder that transactivist to Anthony Aaron Reid has
Speaker 4: been targeting Charlie Kirk for years and sicking is radicalized
Speaker 4: ranged trans followers on him and those involved with Turning
Speaker 4: Point USA. Oh, if you're just tuning in, law enforcement
Speaker 4: sources are saying and have shared with each other in writing.
Speaker 4: I've seen it that the unused ammunition in the murderer's
Speaker 4: rifle had various and anti fashioned Antifa and pro trans
Speaker 4: words scratched into the ammunition. For what it's worth, Read
Speaker 4: is popular with the trans extremists, including these Zizian trans
Speaker 4: death cults, which you may recall us talking about. I
Speaker 4: found Read's content uploaded on the cult leader's blog.
Speaker 1: We wouldn't be we wouldn't be running with this conversation
Speaker 1: because the speculation like this sort of thing is irresponsible.
Speaker 1: But the Wall Street Journal reporting it, I gotta believe
Speaker 1: they are very solidly believed.
Speaker 2: That this was true. They wouldn't put it out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I've actually read the actual law enforcement memo too. It's
Speaker 4: authentic anyway. So this person that Andy No just mentioned
Speaker 4: back in twenty twenty three, he reported the Antifa violence
Speaker 4: that you see Davis, which you may or may recall
Speaker 4: in California, was incited with the help of disinformation pusher,
Speaker 4: slash serial hoaxer Aaron Reid formerly known as Anthony Reid.
Speaker 4: Reid spread the lie that Charlie Kirk called for lynchings
Speaker 4: wow to millions on Twitter, and the Sacramento B by
Speaker 4: the way, published that lie. Oh my god back in
Speaker 4: twenty three. Oh my god, is Saron Reid posted Charlie Kirk,
Speaker 4: CEO of Turning Point USA, is openly calling for the
Speaker 4: lynchings of transgender individuals. Says that transgender people should be
Speaker 4: dealt with like men did in the fifties and sixties.
Speaker 4: Here's the latest major conservative calling for violence against us.
Speaker 4: Never happened, not a word, and ya, the Sacramento B
Speaker 4: publicized that.
Speaker 1: And obviously, if you hear that and believe it, and
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you believe something that's in a major newspaper,
Speaker 1: you could justify your physic your political violence in your mind,
Speaker 1: especially if you're not completely mentally healthy.
Speaker 2: They later issued a correction. Did the Sacramento.
Speaker 1: Bateoh yeah, that is unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Andy no also wrote.
Speaker 4: In November twenty, I made the decision to leave not
Speaker 4: only Portland, Oregon, my home, but the United States altogether.
Speaker 4: I had survived in Antifa mob beating in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 4: but the following seventeen months brought a flood of death
Speaker 4: threats that escalated in frequency and severity. Most were vague,
Speaker 4: but some were chillingly specific, from people who claimed to
Speaker 4: be local, who knew where I lived, Antifa had posted
Speaker 4: my parents' address online, and who sent photos of the
Speaker 4: guns they intended to kill me with. I reported dozens
Speaker 4: of these arrests to Portland police. Not one led to
Speaker 4: an arrest. That's incredible and not surprising both.
Speaker 1: There's quite a bit of audio out there of Charlie Kurr,
Speaker 1: and we are going to play more of him arguing
Speaker 1: with college kids because it's so damned interesting.
Speaker 2: A little bit.
Speaker 1: Later, but there's a lot of audio about him talking
Speaker 1: about the death threats he got. I mean, he knew
Speaker 1: how many people out there, crazy people were out to
Speaker 1: get him. He and his wife doesn't make it any
Speaker 1: less awful.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Wow, the number of activists saying good job that bullet
Speaker 4: had a good day is just shocking.
Speaker 2: Oh God, that's disturbing.
Speaker 1: Okay, we got a lot more on the way. I
Speaker 1: hope you can stay with us, Armstrong and Getty