1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty. 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Gatty and he Armstrong and Getty. 4 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 3: And I'll be honest with you, I am an utter 5 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 3: disbelief at this. 6 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 2: I sat in this. 7 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 3: Room last summer the night they shot the president, and 8 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 3: now they shot Charlie. And I'm not sure it's safe 9 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 3: to be an outspoken conservative walking around in America right now. 10 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 4: At Scott Jennings frequently seen on CNN, he was a 11 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 4: friend of Charlie Kirk's. 12 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: I went to Mark Halprin's whatever he calls his thing 13 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: he does live on YouTube shortly after it happened. Before 14 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: it happened, had been announced that Charlie Kirk had died, 15 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 1: and Mark Halpern barely could get through a sentence. He 16 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: had interviewed him yesterday and they're close friends and had 17 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: been with his wife and kids just like hours, you know, 18 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: before this happened. And there's a lot of people with 19 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: really good things to say about Charlie Kirk as just 20 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: an individual human. Yeah, worth mentioning, because you know there 21 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: should be some uh, you should get some credit for 22 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: being a decent person and loving dad. 23 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 2: And all that sort of stuff. 24 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: But even if he weren't, even if he was, you know, 25 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:37,559 Speaker 1: the whole young dad, thirty one, married kids, devoted blah blah, 26 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: that is makes it awful. But if it was an 27 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: eighty year old single guy who was actually kind of 28 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: a jerk, it's still going to destroy our country, right 29 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: if we allow political violence. 30 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 4: Oh, but to hear the whole package cheered by activists 31 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 4: and young people the assassination of the young man, it's 32 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 4: just it makes me fear for their soul. And I 33 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 4: don't mean in a biblical way, whether they can be salvaged. 34 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 4: I think there can be some depprogramming of kids who've 35 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 4: been taught to hate by the adults we trusted to 36 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 4: educate them, but I don't honestly know. 37 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 2: Speaking of which, a. 38 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: Quick update on the crime itself, the assassination itself, in 39 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: the search for the killer, because it is a almost 40 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: unheard of situation where we have an assassination and they 41 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: have no idea who did it or where they are. 42 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: That doesn't usually happen with high profile assassinations. They FBI 43 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: announced not that long ago they found the gun. 44 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 2: They have a good video of the dude. 45 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 1: It's a young college age man, and so they will 46 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: catch him. 47 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 2: I'd be shocked. 48 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 4: There's no need, there's no hurry to leap to conclusions. 49 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 4: But that does sound more and more like indoctrination rather than, 50 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 4: you know, just plain insanity. Anyway, we'll find out. It's 51 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 4: worth noting that some of the most vehement, hateful rhetoric 52 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 4: about Charlie Kirk came from the radical gender side of things, 53 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 4: which is just part of postmodernism, neo Marxism, etc. And 54 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 4: we've explained that and talked about that before and we 55 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:32,119 Speaker 4: will again, I'm sure. But they despised the guy partly, 56 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 4: mostly because he was an eloquent and compassionate defender of 57 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 4: a position that contradicted theirs completely. And one thing about 58 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 4: Marxists is they will They will lie and lie and lie, 59 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 4: and then if you are successful in calling out their lives, 60 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 4: they will kill you. And all you have to do 61 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 4: is look at Like every Marxist revolution in the history 62 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 4: of mankind, certainly nineteenth century on, it happens all the time. 63 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 4: There are various people involved in the revolution, and then 64 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 4: one of them goes against whoever has the power. They're 65 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,239 Speaker 4: branded a counter revolutionary and put up against the wall. 66 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 4: And as they're executing you know, whatev Trotzky or whoever 67 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 4: you want to route take. 68 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: Pierre was a guillotine, Jay guvera, whatever. 69 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, in Cuba, as they're up against the wall, they're 70 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 4: thinking counter revolutionary. That's hilarious. I was standing right next 71 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 4: to you during the revolution. Oh well, that's the way 72 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 4: it goes. So that's just the way Marxism operates. Having 73 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 4: said that, getting back to the hatred of the radical 74 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 4: left alphabet community for Charlie Kirk. Here is Charlie on 75 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 4: a college campus talking to a quote unquote transgender person. 76 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 5: I just want to say, I'm a transgender male. What 77 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 5: age should kids be able to get things like hormone therapy? 78 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 5: Because I don't know what's true what's not. 79 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 6: Tell me, are you comfortable telling me your story? 80 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 5: I've known that since like third grade, and I'm currently 81 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 5: nineteen almost twenty. I've known basically since then. I didn't 82 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 5: start going by like a different name until seventh and 83 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 5: eighth grade. I just don't know, like with the like 84 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 5: the whole medical stuff, like what's true, what's not, what's helpful? 85 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 5: Because I've heard so many different opinions. First of all, 86 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 5: thank you so much for that. 87 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, and so I'm going to have an opinion that 88 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 6: very few people will ever tell you, which is I 89 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 6: want you to be very cautious putting drugs into your 90 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 6: system in the pursuit of changing your body. I instead 91 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 6: encourage you to work on what's going on in your 92 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 6: brain first. I think what you need first and foremost 93 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 6: is just a diagnosis, just someone that is going to 94 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 6: listen to what you've gone through, listen to what else 95 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 6: is going on. My prayer for you, and again very 96 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 6: people will say this, I actually want to see you 97 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 6: be comfortable in how you were born. 98 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 99 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 6: I know that you might not feel that way, but 100 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 6: I think that is something that you can achieve. I 101 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 6: think that with the right team and the right people, 102 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,239 Speaker 6: you don't have to wage war on your body. 103 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 2: You can learn to love your body. 104 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 4: That's the hate speech you hear the left talking about 105 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk speaking. 106 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I mean if we can't have discussions like that, 107 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 1: like I've been saying since the show started, we are doomed. 108 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: I flipped on MSNBC, so I got the alert that 109 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 1: Charlie Cooks you'd been shot. My first thought yesterday was, 110 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: holy crap, this is really bad. I dial up my 111 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: phone on in my car first cable news channel that 112 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: is up as MSNBC. That's how I ended up on it. 113 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: And immediately Katie Turr and Matthew Dowd, who are common 114 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: all day long sorts of MSNBC hosts, we're doing a 115 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: laundry list of horrible positions. Charlie Kirk had held with 116 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 1: the obvious implication that he brought this on himself. I mean, 117 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 1: that's the reason you go through the list of the 118 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: things that you think are so aborbent, abhorrent. Well, you 119 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: just heard that conversation right there. How hateful did that 120 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: sound to you? 121 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 2: Right right? 122 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: By the way I talked about the Mark halpern video 123 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: I went too shortly thereafter it was live and him 124 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: barely able to getting through it, and he said, by 125 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: the way, the discussion I just saw on MSNBC was disgusting, 126 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: So he didn't make much of it, although the at 127 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: least one of the people involved in that discussion got 128 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: fired immediately by NBC. 129 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 4: To their credit, right, I would agree, why don't we 130 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 4: will go ahead and pay that off? 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I mean, 169 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 1: if he was you know, he ran a taco stand, 170 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: that's a horrifying, horrifying tragedy. Then you've got the political 171 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: violence that is becoming more commonplace in our country and 172 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: just way too many people that think political violence is justified, 173 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: which is its own awful, awful story. Then you've got 174 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: the angle that this murderous scumbag who they will catch, 175 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: probably made a significant dent in the youth conservative movement 176 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: because you don't come across Charlie Kirk every day. 177 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 2: No, you not. You can't easily replace people like that. 178 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,599 Speaker 4: Well, that's one of the reasons it is so abhorrent 179 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 4: and verbot in political violence, because often it accomplishes what 180 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 4: the shooter an wanted to right right, Not not always, 181 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 4: but often, and so every single man, woman and child 182 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 4: in society must be vehemently against it. 183 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 2: That's the only protection against it. 184 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 4: Anyway, MSNBC covered themselves in inglory yesterday and shame. We'll 185 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 4: play some of those clips for you coming up, plus 186 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 4: some more of Charlie Cook engaging fully, openly, willingly, happily 187 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 4: with people who disagreed with him, and that's what got 188 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 4: him murdered. 189 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 2: Sickening. 190 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: How about those poor college kids who were in the 191 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: front rows who saw that with their own eyes? Oh 192 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 1: my god, Oh that is rough. Okay, we get a 193 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 1: lot on the way. We'd like to hear from you. 194 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 1: Text line four one five two nine KFTC. 195 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:24,839 Speaker 2: Barstraw, Hey, Yeddy. 196 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 7: We have some breaking news from Utah that we want 197 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 7: to get to right now. Shots fired during a speech 198 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 7: by right wing activist Charlie Kirk at Utah Valley University 199 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 7: in Orum. This happened really just moments ago. Kirk was 200 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 7: about twenty minutes into his speech when shots were fired 201 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 7: from a nearby building. According to the university, there are 202 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 7: reports that Kirk was hit, but as far as they know, 203 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 7: but we're not clear on them as of right now. 204 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: That was as it broke yesterday on MSNBC. And nobody 205 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: likes me media bashing more than me. But I'd say, 206 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: in general, the media did a really good job yesterday. 207 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: I mean, better than I've seen in a long time. 208 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: This is not an example of that. 209 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, the further left you got, the more sickening it was, 210 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 4: I would agree. Things quickly went sideways, both idiotic and 211 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 4: disgusting and hateful. Katie Turr continuing with Matthew Dowd. 212 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 7: Matthew, I'm going to bring you in on this. Talk 213 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 7: to me about the environment. You know we are there 214 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 7: are reports of exactly what happened are not confirmed yet, 215 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 7: But talk to me about the environment in which a 216 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 7: shooting like this happens. 217 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 8: Yeah, and again emphasize what you just emphasized. We don't 218 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 8: know any of the full details of this that we 219 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 8: don't know if this was a supporter shooting their gun 220 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 8: off in celebration or so we have no idea about this. 221 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: So I was listening to that live yesterday actually, and 222 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: I he's been fired. 223 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 2: Matthew Dowd. 224 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: He's a long time political strategist back in the day, 225 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: that's how he made his living. Then he turned against 226 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: the Republican Party. So he became a darling of NBC 227 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 1: and he's a regular on Meet the Press and has 228 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 1: been for years. And I've always hated him because that 229 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 1: whole turning against your party and then bad mouthing the 230 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: things you in theory believed your whole life to make 231 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: a living, I find disgusting. 232 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 2: And he's one of those guys. 233 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: But when he said the whole a supporter shooting his 234 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: gun off, I've hed that's just stupid. I didn't know 235 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 1: he'd end up getting fired, Like I buy. Yeah, they 236 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: hinted that utaws lacks gun laws. That sort of thing 237 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: happens all the time. It's just absolutely absurd. 238 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 4: He's the soul iss hack, like so many of those people, 239 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 4: they don't believe anything. But then it turned truly horrifying 240 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 4: and illuminating about the way people like him think. 241 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 8: He's been one of the most divisive, especially devisive younger 242 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 8: figures in this who is constantly sort of pushing this 243 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 8: sort of hate speech or aimed at certain groups. And 244 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 8: I always go back to hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, 245 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 8: which then lead to hateful actions. And I think that's 246 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 8: the environment we're in that people just you can't stop 247 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 8: with these sort of awful thoughts you have and then 248 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 8: saying these awful words and not expect awful actions to 249 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 8: take place. 250 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 2: And that's the nfortunate environment we're in. And that's what 251 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 2: he got fired for saying. 252 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: A guy, especially again, even if it was a firebrand, 253 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: you don't need to say that in the moments it happened. 254 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: But since it was Charlie Kirk, who's like the calmost, 255 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: most reasonable debater you could possibly imagine, to say, Lelly 256 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: brought it on himself. And please note the repeated use 257 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: of the term hate spec what are you talking merely 258 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: disagreeing with the radical left? 259 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 2: That's the old technique. 260 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 4: I think everybody's hip to that right now they call 261 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 4: everything they disagree with hate speech, and they also say 262 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 4: speech is violence, which then defies violent. 263 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: Right, you're equating it, Well, he was shooting his mouth 264 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: off so he could be shot they all are. 265 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 2: Just one of the same. 266 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 4: Well, if it was ninety percent sure he'd be fired 267 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 4: after that filth. 268 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 8: He went on, This is we're the only country that 269 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 8: this is going on in this way, and we have 270 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 8: this awful, toxic stew of political, divisive hate speech that's 271 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 8: being pushed and combined with simultaneous combined with unbelievable access 272 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 8: that people have to guns and guns at every level, 273 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 8: not just handguns or shotguns, but you know, assault rifles 274 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 8: in this and this. As I say, we're one of 275 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 8: one in the in the world. 276 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 2: Goodbye. 277 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. 278 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: To NBC's credit, they fired him, I mean like within 279 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: hours of that, So I'm good for them, and that 280 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 1: will get the attention of other pundits who realize, Oh, 281 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: I guess you just can't say anything when somebody on 282 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: the other side gets hurt or killed. 283 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 2: Thank god, we got to get we got to break 284 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 2: out of that somehow. 285 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: Like I said earlier, I can't picture some of the 286 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: left wing nuts that I actually hate if I heard 287 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: they got shot being happy about it. 288 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 2: I just I can't even imagine it. 289 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 4: No, that's horrifying. You have no soul. You're a bad person. 290 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 4: Perhaps you are led to being a bad person by 291 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 4: the people who are supposed to educate you. Or maybe 292 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 4: you've had trauma in your life or something, but your 293 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 4: soul has been damaged to the point that you are 294 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 4: a bad person if you think those things. 295 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: Well, even if it's not about the individual losing their 296 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 1: life and what that means to their loved ones, what 297 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: it does to our politics, how can you possibly think 298 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: that's a step in the right direction. You're nuts if 299 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: you think somebody being gunned down from the other side 300 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: is going to advance the country. 301 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 2: JB. 302 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 4: Pritzker stood up and decried political violence, then said it's 303 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 4: Donald Trump and his rhetoric that causes this sort of stuff. 304 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 2: It was just, this is speaking of people you despise. 305 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 2: I believe JB. 306 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 4: Prisker is an evil presence on the American scene, and 307 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 4: if somebody were to shoot him in the throat, I 308 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 4: would be horrified by that, just horrified. Anyway, Like I said, 309 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 4: I feel like the mainstream media did a really good 310 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 4: job on this for the most part. I did not 311 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 4: like the New York Times headline that he had at 312 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 4: least part of the day. Yesterday, Charlie Kirk dies at 313 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 4: age thirty one. Dies Wow. Boy, they try hard, don't they. 314 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 4: Even when there's nothing there, they try to find a way. 315 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 1: I'm just used to the fact that, of course he 316 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: was called right wing or ultra right wing activist, whereas 317 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: if somebody of the far left were assassinated, you would 318 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: just be an activist. 319 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 2: Right sure, speaker, a politician. 320 00:17:55,480 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but I'm used what of the videos being 321 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 4: showed over and over again on social media. Jack and 322 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 4: I have somewhat differing opinions on this, but when it 323 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 4: comes to kids, I think we're a humble percent god and. 324 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: You talk about and there's no stop on that. Yeah, 325 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: So we'll talk about that coming up. Stay tuned. 326 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty please. 327 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 9: Did not give any specifics other than to say that 328 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 9: there are surveillange footage of a person wearing all black 329 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 9: that they are studying. 330 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:28,199 Speaker 2: They believe that. 331 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 9: The shot that killed Kirk was fired from a higher 332 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 9: location than the venue where Kirk was speaking. There was 333 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 9: some confusion earlier today because an elderly man was taken 334 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 9: into custody in the moments. 335 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 2: After the attack. 336 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 9: We are told it was determined that he is not 337 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 9: the shooter and has been cleared. 338 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, if you were bouncing around on social media yesterday 339 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: trying to get the latest. There were some pictures going 340 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: around with this old guy they had down on his 341 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: hands and knees, and that he was the. 342 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 2: Shooter, and turned out he was not at all. 343 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 4: And of course the internet did what the internet does, 344 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 4: and it was analyzing it and attributing motives to him, 345 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 4: and how he came to decide that was a good 346 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 4: idea when it wasn't him at all. And it's worth 347 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 4: taking this breaking news with a bit of a grain 348 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 4: of salt, although I would point out that the Wall 349 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 4: Street Journal, which is among the soberest publications going, has 350 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 4: a source that they believe is credible enough to print this. 351 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 2: This is big. Listen to this, pay attention. 352 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 4: Investigators found ammunition engraved with expressions of transgender and anti 353 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 4: fascist ideology inside the rifle that the authorities believe was 354 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 4: used in the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk, according to 355 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 4: an internal law enforcement bulletin and a person familiar with 356 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 4: the investigation. 357 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: And when they say anti fascist, that would be antifa, 358 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: right right exactly. 359 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 4: And they are not anti fascists, they are atic leftists. 360 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 4: They cover their horrors by claiming their anti fascist they're 361 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 4: anti anything but them. The older modern model thirty caliber 362 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 4: hunting rifle was discovered in the woods near the scene 363 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 4: the shooting, this wrapped in a towel with a spent 364 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 4: cartridge still in the chamber. The sources said there are 365 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 4: also three unspent rounds in the magazine, all with wording 366 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 4: on them. 367 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 1: So, first of all, this has become a thing. I 368 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: guess these nutjob murderers, like the guy who murdered the 369 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: healthcare ceo writing things on their ammunition, right, And that's 370 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: an interesting aspect of the modern crazy assassin. The Wall 371 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: Street Journal is a very serious publication, and especially in 372 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: this moment, I would think they were not a chance 373 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,920 Speaker 1: they would put that out unless they believed it were true. 374 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,959 Speaker 1: It does seem a little too perfect. I mean, if 375 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: I were hearing it from anywhere else, I would think, Yeah, 376 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: this is one of those things that somebody put out. 377 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know what you mean. 378 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 4: The fact that it's an internal law enforcement bulletin and 379 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 4: a person familiar with the investigation substantiating it. And it's 380 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 4: also I think it's significant that Charlie Kirk was discussing 381 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 4: transgender recent mass murderers. Yeah, that's what I was gonna 382 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 4: mention is when he was killed, and those people, the 383 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 4: radical gender crowd hates him more vehemently than anyone. 384 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,239 Speaker 1: So Jason Chafitz, I don't know if you remember him, 385 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: but he was a pretty prominent house member from Utah 386 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: before he retired quite a few years back, and then 387 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: he became a Fox commentator, has his own show and everything. 388 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: But he was there close to Charlie Kirk when the 389 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: shooting happened. He was at the event, and so he 390 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 1: was on Fox right away, obviously highly disturbed because he 391 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: was close enough to see what happened. He said somebody 392 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 1: had asked a question about transgender and mass shootings right 393 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: at the time when the shot rang out, and he 394 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 1: was connecting the two. Now, it seems unlikely. I suppose 395 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: it's possible. But if the guy was six hundred feet away, 396 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: did he hear the specific question was that and did 397 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: he know that question was coming. If somebody didn't ask 398 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: that question, was he not going to shoot him? I'm 399 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: just finding it hard to believe that they're connected. 400 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 4: Well, they had a pretty good pa, so I gotta believe, yeah, 401 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 4: he could hear him, But the idea that he was 402 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 4: there debating whether to shoot the guy or not, or 403 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 4: waiting till something particularly objectionable came up by that seems 404 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 4: like a stretch. 405 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 1: So it's just an awful coincidence. Uh yeah, yeah, in 406 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: a way. 407 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 408 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 4: It's also it was absolutely certain that that topic would 409 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 4: come up at a Charlie Kirk event, whether the radical 410 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 4: gender theory crowd and indoctrinating kids or specifically transgender shooters. 411 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: I mean that was like, if you don't know Charlie 412 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 1: Kirk's act and you hear anybody talking about how hateful 413 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: he was, most likely what they're talking about is trans 414 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: issue stuff. Yeah, and if you're on the other side 415 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: of the trans thing that you are branded immediately as 416 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: a hateful, awful, violence's speech, bigot sort of person. 417 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 4: Right, even though virtually nobody on earth advocated the radical 418 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 4: left gender position ten years ago, nobody now, anybody who says, 419 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 4: can we wait a minute and talk about this is 420 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 4: branded as a vicious hater who commits violence through their 421 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 4: words and therefore is deserving of violence. So executive producer 422 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 4: Hanson and I both had the same disturbing thing. Hanson, 423 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 4: do you want to come tell the story how it unfolded? 424 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: On the air. Do you just want me to characterize 425 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: where you just want me to tell it? So Hanson's 426 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: version is a little worse than mine because his son 427 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: is younger than mine, but it's bad all the way around. 428 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: So I was picking up my sophomore in high school 429 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: from school yesterday at two point fifteen. This wasn't that 430 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 1: long after this horrifying event occurred, and we knew that 431 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk was dead. Hansen was picking up his thirteen 432 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: year old and both of us we're dealing with, well, 433 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: we got to, you know, we gotta tell our kids 434 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 1: that this awful thing happened, and couch it in the 435 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: way you want to couch it as a parent to 436 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: a youth that age, et cetera, et cetera. We both 437 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: found out immediately, Oh yeah, I've seen the video, the 438 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: whole video, the worst video, the close up video that 439 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: shows the you know, the worst of it. Our kids 440 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: had seen this multiple times at school because you know, 441 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: anybody it's got a smartphone could access it, and everybody 442 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: was passing it around and watching it. And uh, how 443 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: disturbed did your son seem to be by it? What 444 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: bothered me is my son seemed to pretty blase about it. Hanson, 445 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: was he rattled or not. I don't know if that 446 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: makes any difference, but I just this is a separate 447 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: topic really, because our kids have access to all this 448 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: just extreme sex and violence all the time that we 449 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: have no control over, yes, anymore. 450 00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 2: That is extremely disturbing. 451 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 4: I'd say, when you put it like that, I remember 452 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 4: as a teenager that there were the faces of death 453 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 4: videos were pretty popular, and I didn't enjoy them at all. 454 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 4: The one time I was exposed to one is absolutely horrifying. 455 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 4: Other people were grimly fascinated by them, and they didn't 456 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 4: all grow up to be serial killers. I think it's 457 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 4: a very person by person reaction, depending on your level. 458 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 2: Of empathy or what have you. 459 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 4: But the way you put it that the kids are 460 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 4: just exposed to, you know, filth of every sort, willy nilly, 461 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 4: I mean, never mind the Charlie Kirk horror. 462 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 2: That's just that's that's not good. But so today's nine 463 00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 2: to eleven. 464 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: You know, the days of a tragic news event happening 465 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: and then you deciding how you want to talk to 466 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: your kids about it are over unless you're like there 467 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: at the moment the news event occurs, with them, they're 468 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: going to get all of the worst aspects of it 469 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: and the untrue stuff and the fake videos and everything 470 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: else before you even get to them. 471 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's rough. I wish I had a single idea 472 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 4: what to tell you. And if you're thinking, well, my 473 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 4: kid doesn't have a smartphone, well everybody around. 474 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, exactly. 475 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: Your point about they didn't all grow up to be 476 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: serial killers is absolutely true. Is it an age thing 477 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 1: you don't fully understand? I mean, clearly we all know 478 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: this because we were all young at one point in 479 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: a long, long time ago. You develop a full understanding 480 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: of what it means to be a thirty one year 481 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: old dad killed in front of your little kids. 482 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 2: When you're older and you become. 483 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 1: A mom or dad and have kids, you just don't 484 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 1: quite have the same understanding of it when you're young. 485 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: That's just you know, that's just the state of being 486 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: a human. So is there no harm, no foul? 487 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 7: Then? 488 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: Like I have watched movies with my son that are 489 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: pretty edgy violence wise, and these are like, what's the 490 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: big deal? Like he's heard about pulp fiction or whatever, 491 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: and then we watch it and he's like, what this 492 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: is supposed to be a big deal. He's so desensitized 493 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: to like this sort of thing, he can't be like 494 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: he's like bored with it. 495 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that's healthy. It can't be. 496 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 4: No, And there's not like a one hundred percent correlation 497 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 4: between you know, that feeling about violence and obviously committing 498 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 4: acts of violence or what have you. But I've made 499 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 4: reference to Dave Grossman's fabulous book on Killing more than Once, 500 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:49,159 Speaker 4: and the one aspect of the book that's absolutely undeniable 501 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 4: is that the armies through history, particularly since you know, 502 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:59,159 Speaker 4: firearms became the arms, and people outside the military have 503 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 4: no idea of this. The actual percentage of your say, 504 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 4: infantry men who will point a gun at an enemy 505 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 4: and pull the trigger is low. 506 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 2: It's not even close to one hundred percent. 507 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 4: I don't remember the numbers, and it changed conflict to conflict, 508 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 4: but it was like maybe half, maybe half of human 509 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 4: beings can overcome their horror at killing another human being 510 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 4: and actually even that trigger. 511 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 2: Even when they might be wanting to kill you. Correct. 512 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, And the way militaries, including the United States military, 513 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 4: which was one of one of the leaders in this, 514 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 4: the way they got much more effective at that and 515 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 4: desensitized these you know, boys and men and shopkeepers and 516 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 4: whomever else who was put in the position of being 517 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 4: a soldier was they made. They went away from like 518 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 4: bulls eyes and non human targets, and they slowly but 519 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 4: surely introduced people to you are shooting at a human being, 520 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 4: and they had them do it over and over and 521 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 4: over again, literally desensitizing them to the idea of, oh 522 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 4: my god, I'm shooting at a person, and that got 523 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 4: them to be more effective soldiers. And you need effective soldiers, 524 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 4: particularly if you're on the side of good. 525 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 2: So I'm not against this. 526 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 4: In fact, the fact that I'm for it, I think 527 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 4: makes me a fairly honest broker in telling you desensitization 528 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 4: has an effect. 529 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 2: Well, even if. 530 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: It's not, it's going to make it more likely our 531 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: kids are out there being killers, which you know we 532 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: haven't yet. 533 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 2: It takes a lot more than that. 534 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: Just the political side of you're not as affected by 535 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 1: this sort of thing would be bad because you should 536 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:44,719 Speaker 1: be very affected by this. 537 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I am Michael. You had a point. 538 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 8: Yeah, what Joe said, though, slowly but surely, when we 539 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 8: grew up, we were we went in steps. 540 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 4: You got a little more violent and a little more profanity, 541 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 4: a little bit more nudity. 542 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 2: Now it all comes at one time. 543 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that well, I mean, that's that's the classic 544 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: thing they talk about porn. Why it's so awful for people. 545 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: Your your brain adjusts to various things, and then you 546 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: need something more extreme to get the same reaction out 547 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: of you. Well, in this case, if the reaction you 548 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: want with the porn is you know, uh, you get 549 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:16,920 Speaker 1: turned on. 550 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 2: Uh. 551 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: In this case, the reaction we want is people being horrified, 552 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: Oh my god, this person was killed. What can we 553 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,040 Speaker 1: do in our politics to make it less likely somebody 554 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: has gunned down? But if your reaction is eh, well 555 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: then nobody's going to do anything. 556 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. I wish I had something eloquent to say at 557 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 2: this point, but I'll bet, I'll bet. 558 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: I mean, since it happened from both Hanson and I, 559 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: but this was a common thing all across the country. 560 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: Parents who had seen the video or aware of the video, 561 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:52,720 Speaker 1: and then you find out your kids have seen it 562 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: multiple times before you even get to them. 563 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 2: M that's that's rough. 564 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what they're I don't suppose 565 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: there's any change in that I mean, I can't imagine 566 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: what it would be. 567 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 4: So if you're just joining us, I think we're going 568 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 4: to fairly soon, certainly next hour kind of rewind to 569 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 4: the beginning again and play more of Charlie Kirk doing 570 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 4: what he does did, which was say, hey, we disagree, 571 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 4: but we can talk. Let's talk, and for that he 572 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 4: was assassinated. And some reactions from the right end left. 573 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: If this Wall Street Journal report turns out to be 574 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:32,800 Speaker 1: true that this was an Antifa sort of trans what 575 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: would you call that, trans warrior sort of person, that's 576 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: going to be a big political story also. 577 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 2: Where this goes. 578 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: Nobody knows, Okay, to help us, all right, stay tuned. 579 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 2: This is a dark day for our state. It's a 580 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 2: tragic day for our nation. 581 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 8: I want to be very clear that this is a 582 00:31:58,560 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 8: political assassination. 583 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: The very very impressive Governor Spencer Cox of Utah yesterday 584 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: who ended up being quite the voice in the midst 585 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: of this tragedy, but pointing out, yes, this is very 586 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: clearly a political assassination. You cannot be okay with political assassinations, 587 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: no matter what. 588 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 4: There's no getting around that, right, agreed, one hundred percent. 589 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 4: Some more of Charlie Kirk and his messaging, his ideas 590 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 4: an evangelist for the open exchange of ideas without fear 591 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 4: in America. 592 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 2: He is murdered for that. 593 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 4: Andy Know, the journalist who has been in the crosshairs 594 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 4: of the radical transgender crowd and Antifa for ages. 595 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 2: He was beaten down. 596 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 4: He gets death threats all the time, as he makes 597 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 4: clear in another article. We might get to but he 598 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 4: says a reminder that transactivist to Anthony Aaron Reid has 599 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 4: been targeting Charlie Kirk for years and sicking is radicalized 600 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 4: ranged trans followers on him and those involved with Turning 601 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 4: Point USA. Oh, if you're just tuning in, law enforcement 602 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 4: sources are saying and have shared with each other in writing. 603 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 4: I've seen it that the unused ammunition in the murderer's 604 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 4: rifle had various and anti fashioned Antifa and pro trans 605 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 4: words scratched into the ammunition. For what it's worth, Read 606 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,959 Speaker 4: is popular with the trans extremists, including these Zizian trans 607 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 4: death cults, which you may recall us talking about. I 608 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 4: found Read's content uploaded on the cult leader's blog. 609 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: We wouldn't be we wouldn't be running with this conversation 610 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: because the speculation like this sort of thing is irresponsible. 611 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: But the Wall Street Journal reporting it, I gotta believe 612 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: they are very solidly believed. 613 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 2: That this was true. They wouldn't put it out there. 614 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 615 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 4: I've actually read the actual law enforcement memo too. It's 616 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 4: authentic anyway. So this person that Andy No just mentioned 617 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 4: back in twenty twenty three, he reported the Antifa violence 618 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 4: that you see Davis, which you may or may recall 619 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 4: in California, was incited with the help of disinformation pusher, 620 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 4: slash serial hoaxer Aaron Reid formerly known as Anthony Reid. 621 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 4: Reid spread the lie that Charlie Kirk called for lynchings 622 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 4: wow to millions on Twitter, and the Sacramento B by 623 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 4: the way, published that lie. Oh my god back in 624 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:33,240 Speaker 4: twenty three. Oh my god, is Saron Reid posted Charlie Kirk, 625 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 4: CEO of Turning Point USA, is openly calling for the 626 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 4: lynchings of transgender individuals. Says that transgender people should be 627 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,320 Speaker 4: dealt with like men did in the fifties and sixties. 628 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 4: Here's the latest major conservative calling for violence against us. 629 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 4: Never happened, not a word, and ya, the Sacramento B 630 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 4: publicized that. 631 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: And obviously, if you hear that and believe it, and 632 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,680 Speaker 1: why wouldn't you believe something that's in a major newspaper, 633 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 1: you could justify your physic your political violence in your mind, 634 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 1: especially if you're not completely mentally healthy. 635 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:12,360 Speaker 2: They later issued a correction. Did the Sacramento. 636 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: Bateoh yeah, that is unbelievable. 637 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 2: Andy no also wrote. 638 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,799 Speaker 4: In November twenty, I made the decision to leave not 639 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 4: only Portland, Oregon, my home, but the United States altogether. 640 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 4: I had survived in Antifa mob beating in twenty nineteen, 641 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 4: but the following seventeen months brought a flood of death 642 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 4: threats that escalated in frequency and severity. Most were vague, 643 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 4: but some were chillingly specific, from people who claimed to 644 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 4: be local, who knew where I lived, Antifa had posted 645 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 4: my parents' address online, and who sent photos of the 646 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,800 Speaker 4: guns they intended to kill me with. I reported dozens 647 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 4: of these arrests to Portland police. Not one led to 648 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:56,760 Speaker 4: an arrest. That's incredible and not surprising both. 649 00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: There's quite a bit of audio out there of Charlie Kurr, 650 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: and we are going to play more of him arguing 651 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,320 Speaker 1: with college kids because it's so damned interesting. 652 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:05,919 Speaker 2: A little bit. 653 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 1: Later, but there's a lot of audio about him talking 654 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 1: about the death threats he got. I mean, he knew 655 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: how many people out there, crazy people were out to 656 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: get him. He and his wife doesn't make it any 657 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:19,720 Speaker 1: less awful. 658 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 659 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 4: Wow, the number of activists saying good job that bullet 660 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 4: had a good day is just shocking. 661 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 2: Oh God, that's disturbing. 662 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: Okay, we got a lot more on the way. I 663 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: hope you can stay with us, Armstrong and Getty