1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:35,639 Speaker 1: Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they 9 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. It's the time of the 10 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 1: week again where we are fortunate enough to share with 11 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,319 Speaker 1: you our fellow conspiracy realist letters from the best part 12 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: of this show, your fellow listeners. Today's adventures are going 13 00:00:55,760 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: to take us into some shady government activities, some astonishing 14 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: real life adventures on the high seas, and they're going 15 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:09,199 Speaker 1: to take us to a hole, a very big hole. 16 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:12,479 Speaker 1: The name of it is. It's literally called the Big Hole. 17 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: It is uh to too kind, too kind, met um. 18 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: We are always the whole crew over here at stuff 19 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: they want you to know. Is always fascinated with the 20 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: hidden aspects of of the world. And if you live 21 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: in a city of any size, as we've discussed in 22 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: the past. There are most certainly places that the average 23 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 1: person doesn't know about seemingly innocuous buildings. Uh we We 24 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: did a whole series on these in New York for 25 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: a previous live tour. This was in response to our 26 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: Restricted Zones episode, Would you guys like like to go there? 27 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: This this story is a little close to home for us. 28 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 1: Take me to the zone, Ben, take me to the whole. 29 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: Let's let's go. We're gonna do it with some help 30 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: from our pals. Thomas T. Thomas, you wrote the following, 31 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: Hey guys, longtime listener, Love the content. I know you 32 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: all have covered bunkers before, but not sure if you 33 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: have ever covered the Big Hole in in c North Carolina. 34 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: It's an a T and T facility built in the 35 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: sixties that sounds kind of familiar already, right, guys in 36 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: a in a rural area outside of Chapel Hill. It 37 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: is supposedly, according to Thomas, thirteen stories deep, with blast 38 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,959 Speaker 1: proof ceilings, floors coated and copper across two hundred acres 39 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: with fencing, guardgate, vehicle barriers. All the hits originally constructed 40 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: as part of the government's plan for communication continuity post 41 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: nuclear slash e p M blast via the Auto Vaughan 42 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: switching network. Thomas goes on to say, there are multiple 43 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: sites such as this went throughout the US. I just 44 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: happened to be from the general area and clearly have 45 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: an affinity for all things strange. And Thomas goes on 46 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: to say it's possible that technology made this communication opsleete, 47 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: But he also asked, what about the rise in hacking 48 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: and cyber warfare events lately? Is that why the facility 49 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: is still being kept up? Or are these sites just 50 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: used a house, expensive communication equipment, all the toilet paper 51 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: we couldn't find during COVID, or they used as high 52 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: level government fallout shelters? Is there something more sinister? And 53 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: that nold. This is where Thomas points out something I 54 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: thought it was fascinating. The site was apparently shut down 55 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: or shuttered mothballed in two thousand eight, but right before it, 56 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: right before it shut down, the rumor has it that 57 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: the facility had a sixty one million dollar upgrade right 58 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: before it was closed. Sketchy. That's sketchy. Yeah, what's up 59 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,839 Speaker 1: with that? Yeah? I'd love to know if if it's 60 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: just been shuttered, it's still government land. How they doubt 61 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: anyone can just you know, stroll around and take a 62 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: gander at it. But how much sixty four million, sixty 63 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: one million, six sixty million dollars dumped it into the 64 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: big hole. It's just a safe now, that's what it is. 65 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: And Thomas, you would ask us to take a deep 66 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: dive on this and related facilities, and they're very well 67 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: could be a very deep rabbit hole here, even more 68 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 1: than thirteen stories deep. Because what this is is something 69 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: known as a project office. And remember, folks, it's the 70 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: position of our show that if you find a government 71 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: agency that has a really innocuous name, the odds of 72 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: them being up to something are higher than normal. You 73 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like the more innocuous the name sketch. 74 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: It's the same with government operations too, right, like operations 75 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: Sunshine Picnic Party that is probably some sinister shoot, like 76 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: Operation Fresh Pies and Fuzzy Hugs is all about stealing eyeballs, 77 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: Operation freshly cut Grass. Yes, we should just make a list, 78 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: will accidentally, well, will accidentally stumble across the reel when 79 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm certain so. A project office is uh, 80 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 1: it's kind of an umbrella term for these facilities that 81 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: were made by eight T and T in the middle 82 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: of the twentieth century to house these ongoing secret projects 83 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: in collaboration with the government. They're not necessarily bad things, 84 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 1: but there are a lot more out there than a 85 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: lot than many people are aware of. They've been building 86 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: these since the nineteen sixties, and as we discussed in 87 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: our episode on the Long Lines Building, whenever we mentioned 88 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: it there in the middle of Manhattan, A T. T 89 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: is never are officially said what they do in in 90 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: these facilities. They have vague They have vague descriptions like 91 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: I kid you not one of their descriptions. Uh. If 92 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 1: you ask them, hey, what's the project office, then they'll say, oh, 93 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: those are central facilities. What does that mean? And then 94 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: find prentices mind your own beeswax, you know, yes, just 95 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 1: so yeah. The so, the one that Thomas is talking 96 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: about specifically is a project office located in North Carolina, 97 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: just eleven miles south of Chapel Hill, and a lot 98 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: of people in North Carolina, apparently, according to the story, 99 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: don't even know this exists. If you can see, uh, 100 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: some aerial photographs of the building. Let me send these 101 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 1: two you guys in the chat here you go, I'm 102 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: looking at it on this website only in your state. 103 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: That's one and you can get you can get like 104 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: the some on the ground pictures of the churn off 105 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: towards this facility. You guys, when you're looking at I'd 106 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: love to hear what you think when you're looking at 107 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: the overhead satellite images. What do you see? Does it 108 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: does it seem suspicious or does it just seem like 109 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: any other place? This is what I see. A ton 110 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: of trees, just forest, and then out of that forest, 111 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: someone has taken a giant, god sized lawnmower and just 112 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: cut an interesting little shape into that forest. And in 113 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: there I see two buildings and some street operation freshly 114 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: cut grass there. It is. Yeah, No, it's crazy. And 115 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: it looks like a it looks like a weird plank 116 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: dinner or something like the shape of it that it's 117 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: cut out is very odd. I definitely. I mean, what 118 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: do you think these I see? There's obviously a road 119 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: and access road, like one very skinny access road leading 120 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: up to it. It looks like a giant tennis court 121 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: kind of actually from the area of view, Yeah, yeah, 122 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: and I think that's the stude. This is one of those. 123 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: This is one of those places where it feels like 124 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: and this is entirely my speculation. Uh, they found a 125 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: Goldilocks zone right there, able to collate and collect data 126 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: that's coming from from Chapel Hill right as well as 127 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: many other places. But they're far enough away that if 128 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: you are driving there and the area is if it 129 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: wasn't shuttered, then the guards would have more than ample 130 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: time to see you coming. That's part of the design, right, 131 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: the right it is it is, don't go to Area 132 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: fifty one, folks. Again, I feel like we have to 133 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: say this every time we bring this up. The government 134 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: is legally allowed to kill you. They will typically give 135 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: you a warning, but if you persist. I'm not saying 136 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: they will, I'm saying they can't. And I mean they're 137 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: they're supposed to shoot to wound. But you know, things 138 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: happen to see you from a long, long way away, 139 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: which is the whole point of bringing it up here. Yeah, 140 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: and we we know this firsthand because we've got a 141 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: friend of the show who actually went up to Area 142 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: fifty one and didn't didn't quite he didn't violate the 143 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: trespassing stuff, but he got got close to some of 144 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:28,080 Speaker 1: the signs and then he has a terrifying story of 145 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: what happened afterwards, but he's fine. He made it. This 146 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: kind of situation is something that you could find yourself 147 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: in very easily and perhaps by accident, as unbelievable as 148 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: that may seem. So people typically believe that this is 149 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: it's all speculation, but people typically believe that this is 150 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: a part of the n Essays mass surveillance hub. You know, um, 151 00:09:56,040 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: like the A T. T Building, the Window Lists building 152 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: in Manhattan has long been suspected to be the uh 153 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: the HQ for something called tighten point M. So it 154 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: could be it could definitely be something like that here. 155 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: So the term longlines, I know when we did that 156 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: that story or actually was part of a live show. 157 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: I think about that Window Lists building in Manhattan, we 158 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: called it the A, T and T Longlines Building, but 159 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: I think longlines is more of a generic term. So 160 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: like this is what they would call longlines. Hut um 161 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: that's on this piece of property, and it's because it 162 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: houses very sensitive data and connections, even I think, and 163 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: so it needs to be blastproof, uh, in order to 164 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: prevent massive communication outages. Correct, Yeah, that's part of it. 165 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 1: It doesn't specifically have to be something military. It could 166 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: just be protecting the communications structure. But you are absolutely correct. 167 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: There are many more huts like this out there. And 168 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: one of the one of the most interesting things about 169 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: this is that it's tough to know for sure whether 170 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: whether it actually is closed, you know, and it may 171 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: have been, it could have been sold. We simply don't know. 172 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: That's what would make sense to me if there were 173 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: a massive upgrade, because it's kind of like, you know, 174 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: you fix up your house before you sell it, right, 175 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: so maybe something like that. I'm trying to I'm trying 176 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: to air on the side of caution, but you know, 177 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: and I get too carried away saying the you know, 178 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: pointing out the badger in the bag here, which is 179 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: that you cannot trust the government when it comes to spine. 180 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: I just sort of I'm working on working on this, guys, 181 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: but I always start off with the baseline like, yeah, 182 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: they're doing it for spying sort of the name of 183 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: the spying game. There's not a whole lot of trust 184 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: between spies, you know. Um, But like this is a 185 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: question for for both of you, Um, how in bed 186 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: do you think a T and T and massive telecom 187 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: companies like them are with the government allegedly, and I 188 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: don't know if you guys recall this from that Long 189 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: Lines discussion we had. Allegedly the Long Lines building is 190 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: where the n S A essentially spliced into all of 191 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: A T and T S traffic and then doubled it essentially, 192 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:21,479 Speaker 1: um and that was a long time ago. That's allegedly 193 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: what happened, according to you know, whistle blowers. But I 194 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: you would have to think because of the history of 195 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: A T and T and the United States government with 196 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: things like this and the Auto Vaughn network, UH, which 197 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: was the Cold War thing that was supposed to maintain 198 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: the continuity of government if a nuclear blast occurred, you'd 199 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: think that they're working pretty closely together. And who knows 200 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: how that's changed with the the n S as rise 201 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: to I don't domestic surveillance power, Yes, yeah, that's that's 202 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: the question. We also, you know, we just don't have 203 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: a lot of visibility on this. And Thomas, you know, 204 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right that very few people are aware of 205 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: not just the big hole, but also largely unaware of 206 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: the existence of these of these facilities in general. Just 207 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: to add some more conspiratorial spice to this story about 208 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: whether or not this is closed down. This is kind 209 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: of Shrewdinger's hole at this point. Uh. Local media at 210 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 1: the time noted that in two thousand eight there were 211 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: multiple convoys of trucks that were moving stuff away from 212 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: the site over the courses several weeks and the specifically, 213 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: I'm thinking of the Charlotte Observer, which in two thousand 214 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: and eight released a piece called Mysterious Cold War Bunker closes. 215 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: And this is where you get a little bit of 216 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: a glimpse into the local speculation about US, because people, 217 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: you know, locals knew about this, and they were saying, well, 218 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: I bet it's missiles, and then of course as someone 219 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: saying I bet it's UFOs and other people who are 220 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: just saying, I don't know what's going on in there. Uh, 221 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: but as a citizen of the US, I'm sure paying 222 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: for part of it. This this bunker, I mean, I 223 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: don't know, man, I feel like it's necessary. But also, guys, 224 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: it feels like if you spend that much money building 225 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: something like this, are you really just gonna abandon it? No? No, 226 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: you're not. You you honestly aren't, especially because of what 227 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: it can do or what it was designed to do, 228 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: according to War History Online. Who knows how reliable the 229 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: information is here, but according to this site, these bunkers 230 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: were created for that auto van system, the automated Voice 231 00:14:54,280 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: network automatic voice network system, which was installed in the sixties. Uh. 232 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: And there were hubs all over the place across the 233 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: United States and these specific places allegedly. I don't have 234 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: this information, uh air tight, but allegedly these bunkers were 235 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: the primary hubs for this system. Again, in the case 236 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: that the Soviet Union or another power is able to 237 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: detonate a nuke in Washington or one of the other 238 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: you know, central areas of power within the United States, 239 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: these things would continue communications via all these hubs, these 240 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: other hubs, And I don't see why you would shut 241 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: that off. Man, can imagine shutting down real life bat 242 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: phones they were even, Yes, I mean, it really is 243 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: an emergency system, and I can't imagine completely shutting it 244 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: down unless there's a and there probably is a fully, 245 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: fully functional, much better system that costs less money from 246 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: a facility standpoint. But isn't there though, I mean, these 247 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: were all built pre fiber optics, right, so this would 248 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: have been like what's called trunking technology or or like 249 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: these massive bundles of these interconnected networks of between switchboards essentially, 250 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: and so I mean there is a better technology, right well, yeah, 251 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: but if you've already got the land, you've already got 252 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: you know, a secure as hell facility like this underground 253 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: like it says, a skyscraper just pointed down. Um, I 254 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: don't know, it feels like you could make use of 255 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: that space. It's not for the original intended purpose brands, 256 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: but it's also didn't we talk about how like wouldn't 257 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: exects be they would go there and the event of 258 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: some sort of nuclear fallout and there was like ping 259 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: pong and stuff, you know, like they had like like 260 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 1: amenities in the Long Lanes building in Manhattan, Manhattan. Anyway, Yeah, 261 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: there were there. That's another important aspect because what we 262 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: know about these facilities does seem to indicate the possibility 263 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: of housing people in emergency situations. And we know that 264 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: the US government does have federally funded facilities of that 265 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: nature for you know, members of Congress and so on, 266 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: because they need to ensure the continuity of government if 267 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 1: bombs start falling, which of course we hope never happens. 268 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 1: I want to point out though, Matt and know you're 269 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: you're onto something here, because in the ninety nineties the 270 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: US government did switch from autovon to something called the 271 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: Defense Switched Network, which I believe is still in use today, 272 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 1: and so it's it's completely possible that when otto Von 273 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 1: went out of Vogue that the that there was a 274 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,679 Speaker 1: decision made just to shut it down. And this is 275 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: something we can explore in depth in the future. But 276 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: just to wrap this up, I want to let everybody 277 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: in North Carolina know that Thomas story is completely true 278 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: as far as we can tell. Thank you for usnow, Thomas. 279 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: And the building is creepy because if you drive up 280 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: there now, you'll see the gates are still locked, the 281 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: fences stand, there are cameras, but the intercom system is disconnected, 282 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: and there's no one manning the guard booth. As far 283 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: as we know, your mileage may vary. Stay safe out there. 284 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,719 Speaker 1: Let us know if there are any creepy restricted zones 285 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: in your neck of the Global Woods. We're gonna pause 286 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: for a word from our sponsor and we'll return with 287 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: more listener mail. And we're back with with more listener mail, 288 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: and this one comes to us from Cynthia. He says, guys, 289 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: love your show. I thought this was an interesting piece 290 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 1: of news. Not really sure if it's show worthy, but 291 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: you guys seem like you would get a kick out 292 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: of it. Uh. And Cynthia, You're absolutely right. This is 293 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: already on our radar. We even mentioned it, I think 294 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: in the last Strange News episode at the top, just 295 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: as a t is um, but didn't get into it. 296 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,239 Speaker 1: So here we go. I have had the song my 297 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: Name is Jonas stuck in my head all day. My kid. 298 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: Recently it's got into Weezer um and she bought the 299 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 1: right album, the Blue and the Blue one. She's been 300 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 1: getting collecting vinyl. But we've been rocking that out the 301 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: house and I just can't get out of my head. 302 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: And that is appropriate? Is it Jonas or Jonah's Jonas? 303 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: I think, um? But this story is about a real 304 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: life Jonah and the whale or I think uh. In 305 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: the Bible, um, it is referred to more as a 306 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: very large fish. But that may have just been you know, 307 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: the practical knowledge of the time. They don't really know 308 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: what to call it. That's kind of what a whale 309 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: is it's a really large fish, doesn't have gills though 310 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: it has to surface to breathe um, but it has 311 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: massive lung capacity. And today we're talking about a humpback whale, 312 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: which I believe can be upwards of fifty feet long 313 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: um and way, you know, thousands and thousands of pounds, 314 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: several tons if I'm not mistaken, and a unfore yet 315 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: incredibly lucky lobster diver Um in Provincetown, Massachusetts is barely 316 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: a really beautiful, lovely spot to to visit. I would 317 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: like to check it out one day. I was doing 318 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: what he does every day. It has been for a 319 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: long time, the guys, like I think in his mid 320 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: fifties diving for lobsters. And I guess there's a couple 321 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: of ways to catch lobsters. One is with those crazy 322 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: traps that you see, the boxy ones, and then another 323 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: one is just to dive down and literally just grab 324 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: them with your hands um from the bottom of the 325 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: of the of the ocean um in you know, shallower 326 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: areas off the coast um. And he was doing that. Well, 327 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: you're diving, so it's not like super shallow. And also 328 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: it wouldn't it couldn't be super shallow because he had 329 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: a very fortuitous encounter with a humpback whale uh, in 330 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: that he was swallowed by one and ended up in 331 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: the mouth of this whale. It wasn't a full Pinocchio 332 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: situation where you know, he ended up literally in the 333 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: belly of the way. Uh. And then like I think 334 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: you lit a candle or something and made the whale 335 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: sneeze and that's how he got out. Um. He was 336 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: just in the whale's mouth, which while massive would would 337 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: would still be you know, it wouldn't be like he 338 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: could like walk around, you know. He was definitely he 339 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: said he felt something forced his legs together and then 340 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: all of a sudden it was plunged into darkness. Um. 341 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: I can't imagine. I think I've mentioned on the show 342 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: before specifically, I think in our sleep paralysis episode or 343 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: when we were talking about like nightmare people. I have 344 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: a recurring dream often where I find myself out in 345 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: the middle of the ocean and there's like some massive presence, 346 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: you know that I can't see. The idea of unseen 347 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,159 Speaker 1: you know, monsters like under the water, just another surface 348 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 1: really freaks me out. Um. But it turns out that 349 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: whales are actually pretty chill. You know, sharks are predators obviously, 350 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: and they seek out prey. They often mistake or they 351 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: can mistake humans, especially like I think paddling and canoes 352 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: or kayaks for example, as uh, turtles, sea turtles, and 353 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: so they'll they'll come at you. But typically sharks, I 354 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: don't think, unless they're provoked, won't just come at you 355 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 1: out of nowhere unless they do mistake you for their 356 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 1: natural prey. But um, whales will actually avoid humans. They'll 357 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: actually you know, out maneuver humans or or try to 358 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: maneuver so they don't encounter them, so they don't run 359 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 1: into them. Um. So the you know, the idea here 360 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: is that this whale made a mistake. This whale did 361 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: a did a bit of an oopsy because the way 362 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: whales feed is they just like shoot through the water 363 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: with their massive, unhinged jaw just kind of sucking up 364 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: everything in its path. So it's like you know, krill 365 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: and you know, tiny squid and small fish and plankton 366 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: and things like that. They don't eat like large sea 367 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: creatures at all. It's all just like tons and tons 368 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: and tons of these smaller sea creatures. They can just 369 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: kind of just gobble up or really it's just like 370 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 1: this massive intake of water and then that's that's how 371 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: to eat. And dude just kind of what's in the 372 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: exact wrong place at the wrong time and got caught 373 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: up in that very thing. I wonder, you know, I 374 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: had a song stuck him ahead after this news broke, 375 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: and I wonder if he's heard the Mariners Revenge by 376 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: the Decembrist. I bet he supervibes to that song. Now, 377 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: isn't this sort of a moby dick asks story very much? 378 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: It's literally about being It's a revenge story on the 379 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: high seas where where in the protagonists and spoilers the 380 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: villain are both eventually swallowed by a whale. It's a 381 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 1: it's a long song. It's not like radio friendly, but 382 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: it's a it's a blast if you if you get 383 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: a chance to check it out. This. You know what 384 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 1: amazes me about this story, Nol, is that what what 385 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: we're seeing here feels like an an accident, right because, 386 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,719 Speaker 1: as you said, the humpback whale essentially vacuums through the 387 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: sea in search of krill. Uh. But another point, if 388 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 1: like we should make about sharks in general is sharks 389 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: don't want to eat you. Actually, a lot of animals 390 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: don't want to eat people. Were super inconvenient. We probably 391 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: don't taste that great. And and uh, as dangerous as 392 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: shark attacks can be, I always think it's it's worth 393 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 1: noting that for the shark, it's like you're walking in 394 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: a grocery store and you see a free sample of 395 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: something and you take a bite of it and then 396 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: you go gross like like that's the most shark attacks 397 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: I think are like one bite, right. Well, and again, 398 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,360 Speaker 1: the life of a whale it's I mean it seems, 399 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 1: at least in terms of like their culinary you know, life, uh, 400 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 1: kind of dull. It's like that. Do you think they 401 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: even taste their food? I mean, they're just kind of 402 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: like inhaling it. You guys, I'm on a you dot 403 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 1: whales dot org. And I know we're talking about bailey 404 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: in whales, right, the ones that don't have teeth, not 405 00:24:55,640 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: the tooth whales. We're talking about the sifters. They're like 406 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,160 Speaker 1: practically filter feeders, right, isn't that essentially what they're doing? Yeah, 407 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 1: I mean it's really interesting and honestly, I I've learned 408 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: a little bit about them over over the last four years, 409 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: just because of my son's interest in whales. But there 410 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 1: are you know, there's well and just all creatures, right, 411 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: creatures on Earth are fascinating and for a little kid, 412 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: it's and it's incredible to learn about all these different 413 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: things that are real and not just these made up monsters. 414 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: But but in this case, the bailey whales, like right whales, humpbacks, 415 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 1: fin fin whales, gray whales, they all do kind of 416 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: different things. But exactly what you're talking about their all um, 417 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: it's like it depends on if they filter it at 418 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 1: the mouth level, at the stomach level, or the plate level, 419 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 1: which is kind of like if you just imagine it's 420 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 1: their filters where the water gets pushed out and all 421 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: the little creatures get caught in. Uh, fascinating stuff learn 422 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: about whales today. There's a there's a new documentary about 423 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: whales on his Knee Plus. I think, um it was 424 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: I think they own not Discovery, but National Geographic as well, 425 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: or it's it's there's a section for National Geographic stuff 426 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 1: on Disney Plus. But um, really interesting and terrifying, but 427 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: also at the same time, like I said, they are 428 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: gentle giants of the ocean or whatever. Yeah, so so 429 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: this humpback whale, which based on their intelligence, probably does 430 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,440 Speaker 1: have a name for itself in terms of like how 431 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: it communicates their intelligence is fascinating. But this humpback whale 432 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: definitely gentle giant. But our unfortunate Jonah here was very, 433 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: very lucky because the creature could have easily accidentally grievously 434 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: injured or killed him. Because it's tongue alone weighs four tons. 435 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, Yeah, what's the total weight for for one 436 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: of these fellas? They're about fifty ft long, like I 437 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 1: was saying, and I said tons. I was very vague, 438 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: but god, I had no idea how the tongue alone 439 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: was tons for he tongues about her thirty six metric tons. 440 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,959 Speaker 1: They're they're big boys. That's on an interview with that 441 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 1: guy that he said that he thinks that actually was 442 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: like a younger whale that didn't quite know how to 443 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 1: feed correctly. Yet it was a little bit smaller. So 444 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 1: that could also explain why this young like he said 445 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: he thought it was about a teenager, and which is 446 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: like sort of like swimming around with his mouth up 447 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: and like still learning how to feed. And then I 448 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: was like, oh, there's a person in my mouth. You're 449 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: absolutely right, alexis uh. And that is a really good 450 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: point because this little fella, relatively speaking, UM might have 451 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: not really known quite what he was doing, and it 452 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: was a little bit less experienced in in uh and 453 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: and feeding UM. And it would have accounted for the 454 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: fact that maybe like a larger whale of the mouth 455 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: would have been he may have been like digested, you know, 456 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: he could have actually gotten sucked down into the actual belly. 457 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: But if it's a smaller whale, because he could feel 458 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: the pressure of the mouth, and I'm picturing you know, 459 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 1: uh forty ton creature or that mouth is probably gonna 460 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: be much bigger than a human because you know, you've 461 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: seen um images where you have the whale and then 462 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: a you know scale for for scale purposes, like the diver, 463 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: you know, a little little infographics and uh, I feel 464 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: like he would have not felt the pressure of the 465 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 1: mouth with a larger whale, but he did UM. And 466 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: then he apparently the whale dove and then realized something 467 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: was wrong, like, oh, what is this Like it's just 468 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: like getting like a popcorn. Colonel stuck in your teeth, 469 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: only like way more extreme. And so then the whale 470 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: surfaced and or at least started going up and expelled 471 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: the guy from his mouth, and he saw the light 472 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: and was rescued by someone who saw the whole thing 473 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: go down. Um. They he said he thought his legs 474 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: were broken. Um. The diver um whose name, by the way, 475 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,080 Speaker 1: I don't think we mentioned. His name is Josiah, very 476 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: close to Jonah Mayo. Um. He said he thought his 477 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: legs were broken. And then his buddy, who was a 478 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: fellow diver, was worried that he may have gotten an 479 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: embolism from surfacing too quickly, because that's the thing that 480 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: can happen, is that the ben's it's some kind of 481 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: form of the bends or it's more extreme where you 482 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,520 Speaker 1: get if you surface too quickly, Uh, the pressure doesn't 483 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: have a chance to even out correctly, and it can 484 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: cause a brain embolism, or at the very least that 485 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: sensation UH called the bens um. But he was fine. 486 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: He got rushed to the hospital. He didn't have any 487 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: grievous injuries, like he said, Ben, he had some real 488 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: bad bruising around his legs, and I think he dislocated 489 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: his knee, but um he did. He did an a 490 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: m a on Reddit like the guy's fine, and there's 491 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 1: a really adorable picture of him in the hospital given 492 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: the thumbs up. Yeah, he looks like a happy camper man. 493 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: I I think I would be. I don't know. I 494 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: want to wonder what you guys think. I think this 495 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: would be obviously highly traumatic for anybody, but uh, I 496 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: think it might break me psychically. I think it literally 497 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: might break my brain. But also then the relief of 498 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 1: not being dead, because he literally, you know, thought he 499 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: was going to die. Uh and he said the first 500 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: thing he thought of were his son's um, but you 501 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: and die. So do you think the not dying thing 502 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 1: would kind of like trump the the traumatic the traumatic 503 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: nature of the whole experience. Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, because he 504 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: because he made it through the fire in this case, 505 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: he may made it through the whale. Uh, just just 506 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: the front part luckily. But I think it would be 507 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: to a degree in empowering. Um. Also, also another way 508 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: in which he was lucky is that, uh, this was 509 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: a humpback whale and not a toothed whale like a 510 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: sperm whale, which a sperm whale according to experts is 511 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: the only whale that would be likely capable of actually 512 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: swallowing a human being and you would have an unpleasant 513 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: death in its series of stomachs. But there is no 514 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: documented case of this happening. There are other cases of 515 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: people getting getting in a whale's mouth to the irritation 516 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: of both the whale and the human and then and 517 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: then emerging surviving. So I would say, you know, probably 518 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: case by case basis, but I would say this would 519 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,120 Speaker 1: feel empowering to look out on the ocean and be like, 520 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 1: ha I got away, did you? Guys already mentioned his 521 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: two thousand one encounter with another crazy experience, So according 522 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: to a reddit a thread and asked me anything that 523 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: he did, he says that in two thousand one he 524 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: survived a plane crash, like, actually survived a deadly plane crash, 525 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: and the same whale was on the plane. My thought is, 526 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: if he survived that, that's when you have that kind 527 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: of moment where you're like, you know what, every moment counts? 528 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: Where we got this? Then to survive the whale, I 529 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: don't know. This guy should probably become a superhero. Uh right, 530 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: isn't that what should happen? Yeah, at least by a 531 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: lottery ticket at the very least, you know. Oh, apparently 532 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: the nurse came up to him and asked him for 533 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: his lottery numbers, like like she had like a pen 534 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: and paper. Now that that was the thing, he said 535 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: on the A M A. The nurse came up, and 536 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: everyone wanted to talk to him, of course, like what 537 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: a story, good lord, Like, what a story? And you're 538 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: right to have to have also survived a plane crash 539 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: like that when one of their little detail the water 540 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: or off the coast of Cape Cod, which is where 541 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: he was um or very murky to the whale, likely 542 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: wouldn't have seen him. And when the whales feed and 543 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: they unhinged their jaws like that, they can't see anything 544 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: because their giant mouths are in the way. Uh So, 545 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: kind of a perfect storm of of circumstances that led 546 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: to a harrowing encounter with nature that ultimately is just 547 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: gonna be a great story to tell at parties and 548 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: to borrow. Something that the dudes on Weekly Weird News 549 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: said about the story, A he probably will never have 550 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: to buy a drink again. Ever, you're the whale guy 551 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: whoa let me get you a beer? His tender dates 552 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: are going to be riveted. I would put that in 553 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: his like profile, like right there, the whale guy from 554 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: the internet, you know, the one that you know that 555 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,720 Speaker 1: now I'm for seeing a real deep dilemma for him, 556 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,240 Speaker 1: like a few years down the road and he'll be 557 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: He'll be thinking does this person really like me? Or 558 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: do they just like fish? Why did they keep asking 559 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,959 Speaker 1: me to go to the aquarium with them? I can 560 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: see he is. I do believe he is. He is married, 561 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: sorry everyone, Uh, and he has two children. His when 562 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: he thought he was dying, his last thoughts were of 563 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: his two kids. So to that other, to that other point. Yeah, 564 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: I think now that he's on the other side of 565 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: this encounter. Uh, he definitely is. How did you put it, Matt, 566 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,719 Speaker 1: He's appreciating each moment. There you go, I think. So, 567 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna take another a quick break for 568 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: a word from a sponsor, and then we'll be back 569 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: with one more message from you. And we are back. 570 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 1: We are jumping to an email that was sent to 571 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,359 Speaker 1: us by someone we're going to lovingly refer to as 572 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:27,280 Speaker 1: Nada as a Nata sock puppet. Keep this person anonymous 573 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,720 Speaker 1: for reasons you will very soon understand. And this message 574 00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,919 Speaker 1: comes to us in response to our episode we made 575 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 1: on in q tel. You remember in q tel it's 576 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: the c i A, the Central Intelligence Agencies, Venture Capital 577 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: Arm it's there. It's there VC Adventure time place where 578 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: they invest in technology, individuals and companies that will allow 579 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: them to have an edge on all of their adversaries, 580 00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: potential enemies and friends or freenemies as men you like 581 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,240 Speaker 1: to call all others that are not the nation state 582 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: with which you were operating. No, no, you're right. I 583 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 1: stand by that exactly. I think, I mean I do too. 584 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 1: Um let's begin, says hey, guys, that just listened to 585 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: the latest cast and wow, it had my bells ringing 586 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,600 Speaker 1: in q tel bing keyhole bing bing bing. I worked 587 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: for a company called Visual Sciences. It was bought in 588 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: I think sometime two thousand nine by an analytics company 589 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: called Omnature and they rebranded the software as Insights. Now, 590 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:44,720 Speaker 1: if anyone else's bells are ringing by hearing those keywords, uh, 591 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: stick with us. That's Matt talking. Okay, let's go back 592 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 1: to not a sock puppet. Visual Sciences, that's a capital 593 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,919 Speaker 1: V Capital S was based in Herndon, Virginia, not far 594 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 1: from Dullus Airport. It was basically an analo ex engine 595 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: on steroids. It could pivot to deal with any type 596 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,280 Speaker 1: of data as long as it had a data type 597 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,719 Speaker 1: which you could create and a time stamp. I used 598 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,560 Speaker 1: to call it quote digital Lego because you could build 599 00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: it out of the box or with some smarts, make 600 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 1: it do pretty much anything with data classification. Visual Sciences 601 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: was part funded privately and co funded by in q Tel. 602 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 1: Refer to articles attached for more detail, and there are 603 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 1: two articles attached which we will get into. I have 604 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 1: joined midway through an expansion phase as they sought new 605 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 1: markets in the UK and Nada. You continue by saying, 606 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: without getting too far into the tech, you could ingest 607 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,280 Speaker 1: a huge amount of data quickly think eBay sized data sets. 608 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,240 Speaker 1: They were a client, and then in that data you've loaded, 609 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: get to a single record or group of records in 610 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: a matter of seconds. This was done using it's very 611 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:59,600 Speaker 1: flexible ingestion algorithms and the proprietary way it's stored and 612 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:04,399 Speaker 1: retreat data. Think no squ l instead of select law 613 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: from to where, etcetera. Databases before they were a thing, 614 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 1: it was a very flexible architecture, and the limitation was 615 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 1: only the processing power and the IO. If you chained 616 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: enough servers together, it could expand out to in by 617 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 1: which you mean insert any number here. I built the 618 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 1: largest civilian build for a British broadcasting company that is 619 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 1: not the BBC, and that was about twenty two servers. 620 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: Think about how much computing that is pre Cloud says, 621 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,879 Speaker 1: not that this was unheard of. And then I think 622 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: that's Sky or Panama. What do you think that is? 623 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: It's got to be Sky, right, I mean I would suspect, 624 00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:48,280 Speaker 1: But so he says, what is so interesting about visual sciences? 625 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,320 Speaker 1: Think about a lot of data processed quickly, data retrieval 626 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: down to a single record, very quickly, data such as 627 00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 1: web browsing behavior. Sure, and he's got up here, phone calls, 628 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,280 Speaker 1: he says, So this this makes it much more easy 629 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,879 Speaker 1: to track and co relate people. You can see why 630 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 1: Intel would in q tel rather would be into this 631 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 1: because visual sciences could group and create dimensions and display 632 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 1: them graphically in tables, graphs, charts, whatever, and geo locations 633 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 1: on maps. Mm hmm, exactly what we were talking about. 634 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,840 Speaker 1: We kind of just briefly mentioned it. The whole Google 635 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 1: Earth creation thing on that episode about in Q tell 636 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: so we're getting some confirmation here, not confirmation. We had 637 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 1: a confirmation. We're getting uh inner workings in details, right, 638 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 1: we got some backup. Thanks, Here comes the cavalry. The 639 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,359 Speaker 1: cavalry is not all and my drawer just opened on 640 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,760 Speaker 1: its own. So n s A. If you're into opening 641 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:56,240 Speaker 1: drawers remotely, now I I see you. It's a poulter 642 00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,120 Speaker 1: Geist situation where Ben well, hey Poltergeist. N s A, 643 00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: what's the difference, Let's continue on. Nada continues and says 644 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,879 Speaker 1: we could map and overlay data to locations with resolutions. 645 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,320 Speaker 1: We could not believe. This is all before Google Maps 646 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,319 Speaker 1: could do this, and I think VS was possibly the 647 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 1: first app to link with keyhole geolocation and imaging data 648 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: before Google Earth. We used to joke in the house 649 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,640 Speaker 1: that the maps were straight from the satellite and we 650 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: would get data refreshes. Often when I would show the 651 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 1: software to clients, we would get wow so on the 652 00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 1: geo piece, and we get questions about where we got 653 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 1: these map meshes. Don't forget. Nada adds this stuff was 654 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: not available to most people at this point in time. 655 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: I would reply with some theater and say the c 656 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 1: I A if people question this, and then we would 657 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 1: mention in q TEL And it was actually a great 658 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,439 Speaker 1: selling point. We needed it because this software, Nada says, 659 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 1: was I watering lee expensive. So okay, you can see 660 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,040 Speaker 1: that it asked the far rearous applications. But was it 661 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:07,800 Speaker 1: used by the US government dramatic pause, yes, he says, 662 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 1: I was there to continue for two weeks, I would 663 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 1: get in a car and drive with two colleagues to 664 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: Fort Meat in Maryland. Guess the agency. We were not 665 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,800 Speaker 1: allowed any devices and would digitally disappear for a few hours. 666 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,160 Speaker 1: We would go into a room with white boards, etcetera. 667 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,760 Speaker 1: Several agency employees would do a round robin of asking 668 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: us questions around configuration and sometimes specific questions on sorting algorithms. 669 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,799 Speaker 1: At no time where we allowed to see the software 670 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,839 Speaker 1: or the data, so these questions were all hypothetical. It 671 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,160 Speaker 1: was ridiculous. At one point we asked for a laptop 672 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,439 Speaker 1: so we could load up code or expressions to help 673 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,359 Speaker 1: show them examples to assist in answering the questions. We 674 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: were never allowed to take the USB keys away with us. 675 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 1: We had I think five meetings until the geeks at 676 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,160 Speaker 1: the agency. I love that had enough data to run 677 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,360 Speaker 1: with and we never got asked back to my knowledge. 678 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: And there's more here in this message, but we are 679 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: not going to read this full thing. But I'm not 680 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 1: a sock puppet does sign off with uh, giving us 681 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 1: some information with the statement, this is to prove I'm 682 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 1: not a sock puppet. That's why we called you that. 683 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 1: UM So we can confirm anonymously that this is indeed 684 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:24,120 Speaker 1: not a sock puppet. UM So, guys, there are these 685 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,600 Speaker 1: links that this person sent to us that I think 686 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,800 Speaker 1: are worth our time. It's really just backing up Visual 687 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 1: Sciences what it was and that it was associated with 688 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:38,799 Speaker 1: in q tel and what it could do. UM, really 689 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,680 Speaker 1: really cool stuff in here. I'm why don't we just 690 00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 1: let people know where they can read this stuff. Maybe 691 00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 1: that's one of the easiest ways for you to to 692 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,759 Speaker 1: be armed with the information as well. On i q 693 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,839 Speaker 1: T dot org, which is a website we mentioned on 694 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,360 Speaker 1: that in q TEL episode, you can find an article 695 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 1: Visual Sciences announces strategic investment and licensing agreement with in 696 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 1: q Tel. It's from two thousand four. You can find it. 697 00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 1: There's another one from the Washington Post. It is titled 698 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,560 Speaker 1: in q TEL that's I N dash Q dash t 699 00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 1: e L CIA's venture arm invests in Secrets, and that 700 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:25,360 Speaker 1: is from August two thousand five. Yeah, this is a 701 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:31,040 Speaker 1: this is a legitimate, real story, and people affiliated with 702 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,720 Speaker 1: Visual Sciences and in q TEL are on public record 703 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,759 Speaker 1: talking about how great they thought it was. This was 704 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 1: a win win for a lot of people. You know. Yep. Oh, 705 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,880 Speaker 1: there's a lot of great quotes in this article. Unfortunately 706 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,680 Speaker 1: we don't have time to go into all of it today, 707 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,279 Speaker 1: but read these articles on your own and you will 708 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:54,000 Speaker 1: see exactly what our listener sent to us and was 709 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 1: talking about. Yeah, oh, can we do one quote, Matt, 710 00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 1: This's just this one quote I really like. Okay, So 711 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,400 Speaker 1: there's a guy named Buzzy, a b crown guard who 712 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,960 Speaker 1: was the CIA's at one time. He was the CIA's 713 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,080 Speaker 1: number three official, and he was also a former investment banker. Because, 714 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 1: like we said, once you get to the top of 715 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 1: some structures, things inevitably, um, things inevitably intertwined. I think 716 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,640 Speaker 1: it was Flannery O'Connor who said all things arise must 717 00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,600 Speaker 1: converge or something like that. Uh. Sorry, Flannery I'm paraphrasing you, 718 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:30,239 Speaker 1: but here's a verbatim quote from Proton Guard about about this, 719 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,919 Speaker 1: about this relationship. On a scale from one to ten, 720 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,640 Speaker 1: he says I would give it an eleven, referring to 721 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,359 Speaker 1: in q tel and then he adds in like just 722 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 1: like a little hint of pettiness. He says, it's done 723 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:50,480 Speaker 1: so well that even Congress is taking credit for it. Okay, okay, 724 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:55,520 Speaker 1: I see you, buzzy. I mean that's a buzzies of 725 00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:05,200 Speaker 1: investment banker for the seehi A what a life he 726 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 1: must lead? Weird? What a position, my god? Ah well, okay, 727 00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,799 Speaker 1: we again we recommend you read that stuff. I just 728 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,440 Speaker 1: want to say thank you so much person who wrote 729 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,479 Speaker 1: to us with all of that information. I don't know, man, 730 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 1: I could read stories about people who have done cool, weird, 731 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 1: sometimes dangerous things all day long. And uh, we hope 732 00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,680 Speaker 1: you enjoy listening to them as much as we enjoy 733 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,440 Speaker 1: reading them and hearing from you. So again, thank you 734 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,480 Speaker 1: so much, and thank you to everybody who wrote in 735 00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,160 Speaker 1: absolutely and if you would like to take a page 736 00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,799 Speaker 1: from their book, we would also love to hear from you. 737 00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 1: We try to be easy to find online Facebook, Twitter, 738 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:49,520 Speaker 1: Instagram were Conspiracy Stuff Were Conspiracy Stuff Show. You can 739 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:55,680 Speaker 1: also see us on YouTube dot com slash conspiracy Stuff. 740 00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,640 Speaker 1: It's a it's a wild ride. We've got a lot 741 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,560 Speaker 1: of videos from the very early days, and honestly, I'm 742 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:06,080 Speaker 1: surprised how many of them have held up, which is, 743 00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 1: you know, is strange to think about in these in 744 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:13,360 Speaker 1: these times, we really did hide a bunch of stuff 745 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,759 Speaker 1: in those videos. Been we have hidden. Yeah, you hit 746 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,759 Speaker 1: some things in there that I haven't found yet. So 747 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,160 Speaker 1: so if you like, if you're a fan of badger 748 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,839 Speaker 1: bags and rabbit holes, that's that's the YouTube channel for you. 749 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,640 Speaker 1: If you're saying, you know, guys, the topics you delved 750 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 1: into around surveillance and big data have me just terrified. 751 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,000 Speaker 1: I've ever been on social media. Uh, then, never fear. 752 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,080 Speaker 1: There are other ways you can contact us. One of 753 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:45,600 Speaker 1: our favorite is our official phone number. That's right, three 754 00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,080 Speaker 1: std w y t K is the number to call. 755 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:52,960 Speaker 1: Leave a message of the sound of Ben's delightful voice, um, 756 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,360 Speaker 1: and you will have three minutes to tell us a story. 757 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,359 Speaker 1: Make it good and you might end up with one 758 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,960 Speaker 1: of these listener mail episodes. Yes for or and you 759 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,000 Speaker 1: might say, wait, You guys were just talking about A 760 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,719 Speaker 1: T and T and there direct connects with D N 761 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:11,799 Speaker 1: s A. You know, it's fine, why would I call you? Well, hey, 762 00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,759 Speaker 1: we understand. You don't have to call us. There are 763 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,400 Speaker 1: so many different rituals you can do to you know, 764 00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:21,560 Speaker 1: either summon us or you know, visit us in a 765 00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:25,400 Speaker 1: non corporeal fashion. Um. One of the best ways to 766 00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:29,320 Speaker 1: do this is is the old ritual of sending an email. 767 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:32,359 Speaker 1: Because we have an address and this is what it is. 768 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:54,319 Speaker 1: Conspiracy at i heeart radio dot com. Stuff they don't 769 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,880 Speaker 1: want you to know is a production of I Heart Radio. 770 00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,440 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from my Heart Radio, visit the I 771 00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,359 Speaker 1: Heart Radio, w app Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen 772 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:03,280 Speaker 1: to your favorite shows.