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Speaker 1: the best. Everybody. Welcome to Shawn Hannity Shows. Jay Sekulo

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Speaker 1: sitting in for my good friend Sean Hannity. But we've

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Speaker 1: got to start this broadcast on a bit of a

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Speaker 1: sad note. We've got a great program for you lined

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Speaker 1: that is Alan Combs, age sixty six. Um. We've already

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Speaker 1: has been partners with Seawan for a very long time.

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Speaker 1: Shawan is out today, but he's agreed to call us

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Speaker 1: You know, it's amazing and I'm all these years we

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Speaker 1: what I understand, President Obama. And this although the President

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Speaker 1: tries to stay neutral, but this is clearly an outgrowth

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Speaker 1: a member of the United States Congress, and that's what

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Speaker 1: the audience needs. As a member of the United States Congress,

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Speaker 1: he sits down with bankers who are funding and giving

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Speaker 1: rewards to terrorists, to suicide bombers, and specifically the president

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Speaker 1: of the bank, not just bankers, but the president of

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Speaker 1: the Islamic Development Bank. You know that fund when it

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Speaker 1: into Fata, the first uprising by Palestinians against Israeli's acts

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Speaker 1: of terror. The funds started. This just tells you about

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Speaker 1: the money being tossed around in that Islamic part of

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Speaker 1: million dollars to give out to families of the United

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Speaker 1: that's how they recruit these people were in bad economic

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Speaker 1: situations to send their kids off to be suicide bombers.

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Speaker 1: So you've got a member of the United States Congress

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Speaker 1: sitting down with a bank that funds suicide bombers while

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Speaker 1: he's a member of the United States Congress. At the

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Speaker 1: very same time time, you've got statements that he made

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Speaker 1: But listen to this sound. This is again about nine eleven,

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Speaker 1: and the speaker here is the potential chair of the DNC,

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Speaker 1: all this discrimination against religious minorities. Uh. And but for

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Speaker 1: nine eleven, I mean, you had it, but you didn't

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Speaker 1: is this is this junger not event in American history,

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Speaker 1: Does anybody know what I'm talking about? Benefit Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: and then put um the leader of that country, in

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Speaker 1: United States. Now, you know, Republicans conservatives will say, well,

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Speaker 1: you know that's where they want to go. Let him

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Speaker 1: go there. This is not good for the country though

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Speaker 1: that you've got a major political party in the United

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Speaker 1: to lead the country down the road. You heard the

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Speaker 1: comments in there by the way, who do you blame?

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Speaker 1: And the audience member said the Jews and who benefited? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Does he distance himself from it, No, he's never really

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Speaker 1: distanced himself from this because this is his worldview. This

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Speaker 1: which he engages. So Jordan, you look at this guy

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Speaker 1: and you see the nature of what he's saying, and

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Speaker 1: yet he is the leading candidate to chair a major

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Speaker 1: the Democrats are the Republicans. He's the Democrat. He's a

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Speaker 1: nine eleven truther, He's anti israel I mean he's still

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Speaker 1: and this was just a reason why, I mean comparing

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Speaker 1: investigated because, of course, as typical with Islamist he didn't

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Speaker 1: disclose the trips cost to Congress, which these congressmen have

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Speaker 1: disclose that he received this trip cost over thirteen thousand

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Speaker 1: make no calms about this. And we in the United

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Speaker 1: States still list the Muslim Brotherhood is a terrorist organization,

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Speaker 1: certainly the the aspect of the Muslim Brotherhood that's involved

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Speaker 1: in Hamas, which is their military wing. That's right. And

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Speaker 1: so the Muslim American Society, which is founded by the

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Speaker 1: Muslim Brotherhood, they paid for his trip. He gets congressionally investigated.

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Speaker 1: They post photos of it. It's why we know all

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Speaker 1: of this about Keith Ellison. We're not having to figure

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Speaker 1: this out. He's telling us, he's showing us in photos.

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Speaker 1: He's meeting with the terrorists. He's meeting with the terrorists

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Speaker 1: religious leaders in Saudi Arabia. He is then spewing the

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Speaker 1: rhetoric of of Islamic kind of leftist Islamic rhetoric. What's

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Speaker 1: unfortunate He's got the endorsement of Senator Schumer, who was

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Speaker 1: States Senate, who is Jewish and a very strong supporter

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Speaker 1: of Israel. Actual Lee is supporting Keith Ellison for d

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Speaker 1: NC chair. I mean, it's one thing to have, you know,

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Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders support for him, but another that Chuck Schumer

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Speaker 1: is still to this day, even with calling for this

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Speaker 1: who should be shamed into backing off this endorsement. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he really should be, but he's not. And let me

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Speaker 1: tell you the words. I like presenting evidence when I'm

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Speaker 1: in court. That's what I do. I present evidence. I'm

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Speaker 1: laying out some evidence for you. Let me lay on

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Speaker 1: another piece of evidence here. This is a flashback to

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Speaker 1: a speech of Congressman Ellison. Now this is again, let

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Speaker 1: me kind of set this up for you. He is

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Speaker 1: blaming a group of people on foreign policy issues and

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Speaker 1: that we're taking basically the wrong side. But listen to

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Speaker 1: what he says, and I'm gonna break it down for you.

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Speaker 1: Here's what he said. The United States for policy in

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Speaker 1: the Middle East is governed by what is good or

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Speaker 1: bad through a cuntry of seven million people region all

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Speaker 1: turns are seven million. Does that make sense? Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: actually it is logic, and it does make sense. It's

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Speaker 1: talking about is Israel, a country of seven million people

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Speaker 1: surrounded by the entire Muslim world of three million people.

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Speaker 1: And he doesn't like the fact that the United States

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Speaker 1: foreign policy is in sync with the state of Israel, because,

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Speaker 1: let's face it's the only democracy in them at least.

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Speaker 1: I mean we, by the way, we don't have other

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Speaker 1: allies in the region. We do the United States, so

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Speaker 1: does Israel, Egypt. I could George Jordan's there are a

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Speaker 1: number of the Arabs of the Gulf States that have

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Speaker 1: But the point is here, this individual, Keith Ellison, to

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Speaker 1: be possible, looks like the leading candidate to be the

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Speaker 1: chair of the d n C, has these views. This

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Speaker 1: mind works, and this is gonna be the person leading

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Speaker 1: a party. And that's what you gotta be thinking about here,

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Speaker 1: one of the two major political parties in America. And

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Speaker 1: though if you're a Republican or a conservative out there

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Speaker 1: and you think that's great, because I don't think the

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Speaker 1: Democrats are gonna do very well with him as their leader.

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Speaker 1: Remember when you have a Republican president, the RNC chair

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Speaker 1: is not quite as f in the forefront on the news,

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Speaker 1: not as much in the media, because the president is

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Speaker 1: really the head of the party. President Trump is right now,

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Speaker 1: but there's an RNC chairs actually don't get as much attention.

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Speaker 1: When Keith Ellison now is going to be the could

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Speaker 1: be the leader of the Democrat Party, that means nationally,

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Speaker 1: so anytime issues come up, he would be their spokesperson

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Speaker 1: for all Democrats. I think if you're a Democrat out there,

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Speaker 1: this is very concerning. Only four hundred and seventy four

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Speaker 1: basically they're super delegates get to vote four forty seven

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Speaker 1: this weekend. But he again, I think win or lose,

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Speaker 1: he's coming in first or second place. He's going to

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Speaker 1: have This is the trend of Democrats right now. And

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Speaker 1: now we've always warned about the this move between Islamist

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Speaker 1: and leftist. It makes no sense because Islamists are so

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Speaker 1: against LGBT rights. They don't let women drive cars. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're racist, sexist, homophobic. Everything the leftist doesn't like. They

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Speaker 1: don't they don't like free speech. They don't even like

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Speaker 1: democracy or elected not even a word in their language. Now.

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Speaker 1: They believe democracy is evil. And yet we've seen this

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Speaker 1: alliance between Islamist and the left, and I think Keith

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Speaker 1: Ellison is the merger of that as one of their

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Speaker 1: representatives on Capitol Hill. Yeah. I think what you've got

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Speaker 1: to realize here, folks, is that this is a serious

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Speaker 1: situation for the United States. And we may say, yeah, politically,

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Speaker 1: but let them do this. But the fact that you

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Speaker 1: this direction should send shock waves to the American people.

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Speaker 1: That's why defending free speech is so important, because these

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Speaker 1: are groups that want to shut down speech. They don't

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Speaker 1: want you talking about this. They want they don't want

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Speaker 1: the truth of a Keith Ellison coming on. That's why

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad that Shawn's on the air every day

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Speaker 1: talking about this because this is the reality of what

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Speaker 1: we live in our country right now. Is it very divided, Yes,

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Speaker 1: but there used to be a unifying force, and that

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Speaker 1: unifying force was free speech. That seems to be what's

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Speaker 1: in jeopardy the most. And all of this. I've spent

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Speaker 1: thirty years in the Supreme Court of the United States

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Speaker 1: arguing free speech cases. I will tell you that we

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Speaker 1: are in a season of life for our country. We're

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Speaker 1: free speech is in peril. And you look at a

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Speaker 1: situation like this, we end up with someone like Keith

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Speaker 1: Ellison and you say to yourself, this is not the

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Speaker 1: way the country is supposed to be. All right, Thank

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Speaker 1: you Jordan very much for that. We've got a lot

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Speaker 1: more ahead. I'm gonna talk about the shadow government when

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Speaker 1: we come back from a break here. What do you

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Speaker 1: mean by the shadow government? You know, when they're talking

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Speaker 1: about intelligence leaks, we're talking about information getting out. We're

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Speaker 1: talking about internal bureaucrats entrenched. You know what we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about a shadow government. We're gonna get in

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Speaker 1: depth on that coming up, and that includes, by the way,

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Speaker 1: inside our intelligence agencies, which makes it even worse. All Right,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna take more of your calls or more of

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Speaker 1: your comments when we come back as well. One Shawn.

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Speaker 1: That's one, seven, three to six. Jay Sekulo sitting in

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Speaker 1: for Shawn Hannity, back back with more in just a

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Speaker 1: moment and a se of government lies. He's the beacon

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Speaker 1: of truth. This is the Sean Hannity Show. Everybody, Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the Shawan Hannity Program. Is Jay Sekulo. I

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Speaker 1: am sitting in today for Shawn. I'm Chief council of

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Speaker 1: the American Center for Law Injustice. That's a law firm

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Speaker 1: that engages in cases all over the country, do a

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Speaker 1: lot of work at the Supreme Court of the United States.

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Speaker 1: I also host a radio broadcast at twelve o'clock noon

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Speaker 1: Eastern Time, Jason Seculo Show. But I am thrilled to

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Speaker 1: with Professor Harry Hutchinson. Professor Hutchinson's the director of policy

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Speaker 1: law professor, was with George Mason University. Now with Regent.

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Speaker 1: But let me just tell you something. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about the shadow government. It's getting a lot of news. Now.

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Speaker 1: We we talked about this last week when I was

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Speaker 1: on with Sean, and that is when you look at

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Speaker 1: the difficulties the administration in the sense of kind of

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Speaker 1: General Flynn should have been the the NSA director or not,

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Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is this, there were leaks

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Speaker 1: by the intelligence agencies. We're not supposed to do that

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Speaker 1: in the United States of America. We're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: this shadow government. Hey, if you're enjoying the music, by

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Speaker 1: the way, that's the J Secular band. I gotta give

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Speaker 1: a plank to a little plug to the bandmates there.

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Speaker 1: Facebook page as well, Jay Sekulo. When we come back,

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Speaker 1: I'll be joined by Professor Hutchinson. We're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: what is serious, the shadow government, the bureaucrats in wrenched

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Speaker 1: inside even the current agencies. We'll talk about that when

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Speaker 1: of your calls as well. We'll be back in a moment. Hey,

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Speaker 1: welcome back everybody to the Shawan handy program. This is

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Speaker 1: Jay Sekulo. I am guest hosting for Seawan. We're taking

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Speaker 1: calls at one eight nine for one Shawn. That's one

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Speaker 1: one seven, three to six time. The Chief council for

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Speaker 1: the American Center for Law Injustice. That's a law firm.

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Speaker 1: I do a lot of work at the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: in Nined States, literally getting all over the country. Host

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Speaker 1: of program also at noon Eastern Time called The j

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Speaker 1: Secular Show. And I will tell you that I want

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Speaker 1: to start this off by acknowledging something very important and

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Speaker 1: very important to Shawn, very important to to our team

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Speaker 1: as well, and that is the passing of Fox News

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Speaker 1: Channels Alan Combs. We had Shaun on earlier and um

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Speaker 1: Alan Colmes was a friend of mine, a very close

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Speaker 1: friend and partner with Sean Hannity for many many years.

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Speaker 1: Of course, when it started, Hannity and Colmins first launched

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Speaker 1: on the Fox News Channel. I've been on that program

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Speaker 1: many times and had the privilege of getting to know

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Speaker 1: an event that I sponsored and hosted at Regent University

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Speaker 1: School of Law. And he was not only gracious, but

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Speaker 1: he was some of that understood free speech and the

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Speaker 1: importance of civil discorse. I do want to take a call.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna take more calls as well at one Shawn.

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Speaker 1: That's one, one seven, three, two six against Jay Sacho

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Speaker 1: sitting in for Shawn today. Let me go to Randy

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Speaker 1: from Colorado Springs, Colorado, who wants to talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit about Alan. Then I'm gonna be joined by Professor

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Speaker 1: Harry Hutchinson in just a moment. Randy, go ahead, Jay, Hi,

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Speaker 1: and nice sir, you too. Um. I've been a talk

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Speaker 1: radio junkie for probably thirty years, and the first time

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Speaker 1: I heard uh Alan's voice, I was traveling in Portland

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Speaker 1: and I thought, jeez, you know, I don't really agree

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Speaker 1: with what the guy has to say, but I sure

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Speaker 1: like the way he said it. Yeah. Well, this was

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Speaker 1: was true to his convictions. He was liberal in the

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Speaker 1: classic sense of the word. And while we disagreed on

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Speaker 1: a lot of issues, and I know Sean did as well,

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Speaker 1: they were very close friends. I was a good friend

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Speaker 1: of Alan's and let me tell you, our thoughts and

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Speaker 1: prayer really go out to Jocelyn, his wife Monica Crowley,

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Speaker 1: his sister in law, in the entire family at this

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Speaker 1: untimely passing of a good friend and a great broadcaster.

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Speaker 1: And I've never called talk radio before, but we appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: And I said, we lost a great one with Alan Combs.

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Speaker 1: All Right, folks, there is something that we have been

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Speaker 1: concerned with in my work in the legal arena, and

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Speaker 1: that is this issue of what we're calling the shadow government.

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Speaker 1: You look at the situation with my Flynn and the

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Speaker 1: leak of intelligence gathering. I look at head lines today.

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Speaker 1: We started talking about this on John's program last week.

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Speaker 1: I look at headlines. Obama's shadow government is organizing to

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Speaker 1: undermine Trump. Now, the Democrats call Obama's shadow government a problem,

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Speaker 1: and that's because we're normally presidents go away quietly do

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Speaker 1: their presidential libraries. President Obama took his Obama for America

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Speaker 1: organization converted it to Organization for Action. That's what he's

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Speaker 1: doing now. And that o f A is basically got

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Speaker 1: entrenched bureaucrats, and that we now find out that a

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Speaker 1: law firm has been basically established by former d o

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Speaker 1: J and White House counsels of President Obama challenge everything

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Speaker 1: that Donald Trump does I wrote a book called Undemocratic

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Speaker 1: where I talked about unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats taking our liberties

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Speaker 1: one agency at the time. And this is an entrenched

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Speaker 1: part of the problem. And this is what even a

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Speaker 1: president as strong as Donald Trump is confronting the entrenched

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Speaker 1: bureaucracy and what we call this chef bato government. Joining

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Speaker 1: American Center for Law in Justice and professor of Law,

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Speaker 1: Professor Harry Hutchinson. Harry, thanks for being with us. Let's

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Speaker 1: define for our audience here when we talk about shadow

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Speaker 1: of government, when we're talking about undermining, we see leaks

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Speaker 1: coming out of intelligence andc. By the way, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: the CIA and is concerned about this very issue of

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Speaker 1: leaks and intentional sabotage against the president. We'll talk about

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Speaker 1: that coming up, but let's define terms first. We're talking

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Speaker 1: about a shadow government. What are we talking about in

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Speaker 1: the perfect term. That's a very good question, Jay, and

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Speaker 1: thanks for the opportunity. Uh. We should note that a

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Speaker 1: shadow government represents and ever expanding, ever ramifying network of

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Speaker 1: individuals who wish to will power secretly. In many instances,

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Speaker 1: they appear to be invisible. Um. The term shadow government,

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Speaker 1: the term shadow government um arose initially because of a

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Speaker 1: parliamentary system of government in England. In England, they created

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Speaker 1: what is called a shadow cabinet, so you'd have a

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Speaker 1: and you'd have a Chancel of the Exchequer, which it

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Speaker 1: would be like our Secretary of the Treasury, and they

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Speaker 1: would operate independently. But here, Harry, these are individuals that

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Speaker 1: were in lockstep with the Obama administration for eight years

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Speaker 1: inside these bureaucracies, deep career employees, many of them, and

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Speaker 1: this internal shadow government. Absolutely, they are also leaking information, uh,

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Speaker 1: with the connivance of willing members of the press at CNN,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about the law here for

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Speaker 1: a moment, folks, because we got lost in the whole

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Speaker 1: general Flint situation was that there was a violation of

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Speaker 1: federal law when that intelligence information was leak Now, think

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Speaker 1: about this, Why in the world would an intelligence agency

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Speaker 1: leak information, Well, they're trying to harm the person that

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Speaker 1: In this particular case, they don't like the policies of

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Speaker 1: President Trump. Now take it a step further. The National

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Speaker 1: Security Agency, the n s A had in place since

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Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan. When sig intel signature intel, that is, like

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Speaker 1: the phone taps, wire taps, that information would come in

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Speaker 1: the raw intelligence would go to the n s A.

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Speaker 1: They would decide where it would go. With seventeen days

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Speaker 1: left in President Obama's administration, seventeen days left, he changes

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Speaker 1: the rules signed off by James Clapper and then Lauretta Lynch,

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Speaker 1: the Attorney General, on January three, seventeen days left to go,

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Speaker 1: and decides that now sixteen agencies can get this raw data.

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Speaker 1: So now go find the leak. And we ask yourself

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Speaker 1: this question, why in the world did they wait? Why

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Speaker 1: in the world did they wait until there was seventeen

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Speaker 1: days left in their administration? If this was so important

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Speaker 1: to share this intelligence information with these other agencies, giving

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Speaker 1: more individuals access to it, but for eight years during

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Speaker 1: their administration, they didn't want to do that. But they

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Speaker 1: did that with an incoming president. You know what that

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Speaker 1: is sabotage, That is a soft coup attempt, that is

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Speaker 1: a shadow government being empowered. Absolutely, and so essentially the

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Speaker 1: Obama administration did not want to live under these new rules.

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Speaker 1: On the other hand, they wanted to expand the network

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Speaker 1: of people who would receive classified information pursuant to their

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Speaker 1: own request, and then they could use that information to

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Speaker 1: subvert the Trump administration and to some extent, protect the

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Speaker 1: Obama legacy. So I want to talk about the Obama

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Speaker 1: legacy as you hear quickly, Harry, and that is this. Normally,

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Speaker 1: whatever it might be. Here you've got a president that's

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Speaker 1: sending out tweets, former president sending out tweets encouraging protests

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Speaker 1: the way, you're seeing at the Republican town halls, these

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Speaker 1: or activists that these aren't people that are voting for

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Speaker 1: these members of the United States Senate or have ever

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Speaker 1: voted for the members of the United States Senate. This

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Speaker 1: is the put up Okay, it's a free country. Say

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Speaker 1: whatever you want to say. But when you look at

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Speaker 1: the situation as it exists with this legacy attempt to

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Speaker 1: protect this president, former president President Obama, former President Obama

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Speaker 1: is not going away quietly, absolutely so. Number One, he

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Speaker 1: decided to set up residents in Washington, d c. Second,

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Speaker 1: he set up a new foundation which he claims will

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Speaker 1: be a startup citizen foundation. Third, he initiated a partnership

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Speaker 1: with Eric Holder, and this partnership is designed to create

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Speaker 1: another political action committee. So when you have the new

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Speaker 1: executive order that's rolled out next week on immigration, Eric

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Speaker 1: Holder and that's the former Attorney general, the United States

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Speaker 1: of lawsuits with this whole cabal of groups. Listen, it's

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Speaker 1: a free country. File lawsuits, but you need to understand,

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Speaker 1: everybody needs to understand exactly what's going on here. These

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Speaker 1: are bureaucrats that I would say it this way. You

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Speaker 1: gotta resist, you gotta reform, and you've gotta revolutionize. And

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Speaker 1: the revolutionary aspect of this is you've got to change

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Speaker 1: these agencies. Because right now, firing these bureaucrats is almost

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Speaker 1: it's like they get life tenure, Harry. Notwithstanding the difficulty,

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Speaker 1: I believe the Trump administration needs to launch an affirmative effort,

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Speaker 1: a root and branch effort, to remove many of these

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Speaker 1: And if he doesn't move quickly on this, this will

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Speaker 1: impair or impede his agenda going forward. You know, I

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Speaker 1: litigated that I R. S case and that targeting that

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Speaker 1: went on in conservative organizations, and you know, everybody was

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Speaker 1: looking at lowest learner and she was certainly guilty of

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Speaker 1: her involvement, but it went much higher and much deeper,

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Speaker 1: and we found that out on the litigation where we

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Speaker 1: ultimately won. But you need to understand that this is

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Speaker 1: an entrenched bureaucratic machine. When we come back in a

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Speaker 1: little bit, I'm gonna be joined a little bit later

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Speaker 1: in the program with a former CIA operative who's gonna

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Speaker 1: tell you a Democrat, by the way, who's gonna tell

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Speaker 1: you how concerned he is about what is taking place

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Speaker 1: right now in these intelligence agencies, how difficult this is.

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Speaker 1: And coming up after this break, I'm gonna be joined

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Speaker 1: by Colonel west Smith, he handled classified information. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk about that as well. This is Jay Sekula. I'm

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Speaker 1: some more calls when we come back as well, and again,

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Speaker 1: and our thoughts and prayers of condolences to the family

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Speaker 1: of our friend Alan comes and again if you want

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Speaker 1: to talk to us. One eight one Shawn. That's one

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Speaker 1: seven three two Sick is Jay Sekulo. I'll be back

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Speaker 1: with more in a moment. Never mean Scott problems. He's

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Speaker 1: got solutions. America listens to the Sean Hannity Show. Everybody,

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to John Hannay. You showed this a J

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Speaker 1: Secular sitting in for Sean. I'm Chief council of the

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Speaker 1: American Center for on Jesse. If you like that music,

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Speaker 1: that is the J Secular band. Most people do not

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Speaker 1: Enough of the selfish plugs here, all right, here's what

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Speaker 1: we're gonna do. I want to talk about We've been

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Speaker 1: talking about the shadow government with Harry Hutchinson. I want

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Speaker 1: to talk about we've got an executive order that's probably

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Speaker 1: coming out Monday or Tuesday on the asylum immigration issue.

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Speaker 1: We've been working on it. We believe the Ninth Circuit

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Speaker 1: was wrong. But I'm gonna tell you something. We are

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Speaker 1: joined right now in the studio by our senior military analysts,

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Speaker 1: Colonel West Smith. Colonel Smith, by the way, was the

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Speaker 1: presiding officer when the remains of Ambassador Stevens will return

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Speaker 1: to the United States. The famous picture of Colonel Smith

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Speaker 1: between the President, President Obama the Secretary of State as

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Speaker 1: he offered a prayer for Ambassador Stevens. So this is

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Speaker 1: someone that knows government knows material. But I want to

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Speaker 1: you know, West, is one thing that you know, we

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Speaker 1: talked about this Ninth Circuit case in the District Court judge,

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Speaker 1: and I've argued in the Ninth Circuit. It's you know,

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Speaker 1: it is a court that if you win there, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna lose at the Supreme Court of the United States.

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Speaker 1: Let me just put it generally that way. I may

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Speaker 1: I think, I but one case that on the Ninth

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Speaker 1: Circuit that I want at the Ninth Circuit and actually

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Speaker 1: want at the Supreme Court United States. One, uh, that rare,

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Speaker 1: But you talk about classified information, but you talk about

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Speaker 1: information not getting out. There have been and this judge

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Speaker 1: in this case involving the initial immigration order, by the way,

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Speaker 1: Washington State, they're all gonna file a lawsuit again even

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Speaker 1: though the president's order, I believe is gonna be airtight,

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Speaker 1: and believe the Ninth Circuit was wrong this last time,

871
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Speaker 1: but this is gonna be airtight. But you talk about

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Speaker 1: what's happened in the United States with prosecutions of iss

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Speaker 1: from these countries of concern, which, by the way, this

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Speaker 1: judge said there were no incidents. The judge was absolutely wrong,

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Speaker 1: Yes he was. Whenever he asked Michelle Bennett was one

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Speaker 1: of the lawyers from the Department of Justice, how many

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Speaker 1: citizens of these seven Muslim majority countries have been arrested

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Speaker 1: on domestic terrorism charges since nine eleven, she said she

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Speaker 1: didn't know, and his response was, well, I do know,

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Speaker 1: and I can tell you it was zero. He said

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Speaker 1: it was zero because he read it in the like

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Speaker 1: the New York Times are never Washington Post. Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: was his evidence. Go ahead, But in fact, seventy two

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Speaker 1: people from those seven countries, according to the AP and

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Speaker 1: other other sources, have been arrested since nine eleven own

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Speaker 1: terrorism charges seventy two of them. So you know, I

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Speaker 1: deal with courts, I deal with evidence. The government did

888
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Speaker 1: not do a great job on that hearing. Let's be honest.

889
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Speaker 1: I've been critical of the performance of the Department of Justice.

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Speaker 1: That was before our friend Jeff Sessions became the Attorney

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Speaker 1: General in the United States. A different world now, and

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Speaker 1: I believe as this case goes, as the order comes out,

893
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Speaker 1: and the case goes forward, we're gonna see a very

894
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Speaker 1: different response here from the Justice Department. I have no

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Speaker 1: doubt about this, and this we will win this and

896
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Speaker 1: may take it going all the way to Screme Court

897
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Speaker 1: to win, because I still think that the Ninth Circuit

898
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Speaker 1: could easily get it wrong, because they generally get, like

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Speaker 1: I said, everything wrong. But West, you were a colonel

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Speaker 1: in the Army, and you served in the Middle East,

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Speaker 1: and you've served and you've handled classified information. These leaks

902
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Speaker 1: that are going out right now that which I'm concerned.

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Speaker 1: The President is supposed to get a report from the

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Speaker 1: General's about their plan to eliminate isis the president. President

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Speaker 1: Trump said he's gonna do it. I believe he's going

906
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Speaker 1: to But they're gonna be those inside the Department of Defense,

907
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Speaker 1: the State Department that are gonna be opposing this, this

908
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Speaker 1: classified information mishandling that's going on. If you were to

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Speaker 1: do with and when you're on active duty as a

910
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Speaker 1: colonel in the United States Army, what would have happened

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Speaker 1: to you? I would go to prison. Absolutely, I handled

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Speaker 1: classified information and we were read the Riot Act about

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Speaker 1: the proper way to handle it. And it is illegal,

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Speaker 1: and those kinds of leagues are are against federal law.

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Speaker 1: And in all seriousness, people in the military that have

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Speaker 1: done there, they go to prison. So when you're looking

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Speaker 1: the presidents can get this report about how to deal

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Speaker 1: with ISIS, how to deal with this Islamic threat that

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Speaker 1: we're dealing with in a group called ISIS, They're gonna

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Speaker 1: be people inside the agencies that are entrenched that are

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Speaker 1: not gonna win. Like the way the fact that the

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Speaker 1: President calls it radical Islamic terrorism, you have to be concerned.

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Speaker 1: I am as an American and as a lawyer, I'm concerned,

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Speaker 1: and you, as a former military officer, have to be

925
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Speaker 1: concerned that there will be those inside these agencies trying

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Speaker 1: to undermine exactly what the president is trying to do.

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Speaker 1: Here right right, And it is really alarming because it

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Speaker 1: becomes a real threat to national security when these kinds

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Speaker 1: of things are compromised, and it undermines, undermines what we're

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Speaker 1: doing is for is keeping the nation secure. So that

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Speaker 1: was my last question, because we're going to a break.

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Speaker 1: The nation's security is at stake here, both with the

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Speaker 1: executive order and with the president's plan on when he

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Speaker 1: gets it from the General's on isis our nation's securities

935
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Speaker 1: that stay? Absolutely, that's the bottom line. It was famously

936
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Speaker 1: said at the Supreme Court of the United States that

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Speaker 1: the Constitution, folks, is not a suicide pack. We need

938
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Speaker 1: to operate under that understanding. I'm Jay Seculo sitting in

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Speaker 1: for Sean Hannity. We're gonna be taking some calls. We've

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Speaker 1: got Doug Shown coming up, also, a former CIA operative

941
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Speaker 1: that is as concerned as we are about what is

942
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Speaker 1: developing right now. And this is folks. Look, these leaks

943
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Speaker 1: are undercutting our constitutional republic. And all I'm doing today

944
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Speaker 1: is laying out this evidence for you so you understand

945
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Speaker 1: exactly what we're facing as a country. That's one one, Sean.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jay Sekulo back with more in just a moment

947
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Speaker 1: now three breaking news straight from the source. This is

948
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Speaker 1: the Sean Hannity Show. Everybody, Welcome back to The Shawan

949
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Speaker 1: Hannity Show. It's Jay Sekulo guest hosting for Seawan. We'll

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Speaker 1: pay calls at one one Shawn. That's one nine, one seven,

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Speaker 1: three to six. You can follow Seawan on Twitter at

952
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Speaker 1: Sean Hannity. You can follow me on Twitter at j Seculo,

953
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Speaker 1: and you could like the band page if you like

954
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Speaker 1: the music you're hearing to some of these breaks. It's

955
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Speaker 1: Jay Secular Band. We have a Facebook page and we

956
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Speaker 1: sometimes broadcast live on Facebook our concerns and jam sessions,

957
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Speaker 1: so we encourage you to do that and follow the

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Speaker 1: A c l J as well. I've got a page

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Speaker 1: Jay Sekulo at Facebook, and so does the American Center

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Speaker 1: for Law and Justice. And Jordan who was on earlier,

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Speaker 1: also has a page. Well, we've talked about this shadow government,

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Speaker 1: we've talked about concerns about leak I. I read a

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Speaker 1: fascinating piece up at Fox News yesterday, and this is

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Speaker 1: by Brian Dean Wright, former CIA operative officer, member of

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, says I'm a Democrat, an x C

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Speaker 1: I A but the spies plotting against Trump are out

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Speaker 1: of control. He says. Over the past few months, America

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Speaker 1: has lurched from partisan warfare to the cliffs of what

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Speaker 1: this is. What Brian says is an existential crisis. Joining

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Speaker 1: us on the Sean Hannity program is Brian Dean, right,

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Speaker 1: author of this article. Brian, thanks for being with us,

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Speaker 1: the absolute pleasure to be here. Let me ask you

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Speaker 1: about this, former CIA operations officer. You're a registered Democrat.

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Speaker 1: I'm concerned about these leaks. I don't like leaks, period,

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Speaker 1: no matter which party. Don't like the way the Justice

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Speaker 1: Department handled the whole situation, UH during the election with

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton for against her, for whatever, back and forth.

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Speaker 1: I don't like leaks that are going on against I

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Speaker 1: don't like the leaks that were going on with Mike Flynn.

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Speaker 1: And I was a gunment lware in the beginning of

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Speaker 1: my career a long time ago. You're a former CIA operative.

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Speaker 1: Tell us what you're concerned about here. What is it

983
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Speaker 1: that you're seeing and hearing that has you so concerned. Well,

984
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Speaker 1: two things. First, the vast majority of America spies are

985
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Speaker 1: incredible people doing amazing things. But there's also an equal

986
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Speaker 1: amount of fear that I have or concerned that is

987
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Speaker 1: bordering on this existential crisis. There are clearly folks within

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Speaker 1: the national security apparatus, whether it be the CIA or FBI,

989
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Speaker 1: et cetera, who are leaking information. We saw this fall

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Speaker 1: with the dossier, and then we've seen it once again

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Speaker 1: in terms of the leaks in the last six weeks

992
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Speaker 1: to the New York Times and CNN, Washington Post, and

993
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Speaker 1: then there have been reports of the intelligence community withholding

994
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Speaker 1: information from the president. Now the president, whoever it may be,

995
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Speaker 1: cannot defend this nation if they don't have all the

996
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Speaker 1: information that one needs. That's the first big piece. The

997
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Speaker 1: second is what happens when we start making our military

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Speaker 1: or our intelligence services partisan or political right because today,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe liberal spies might think, hey, great, we

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Speaker 1: can we can bash this Trump and get them out

1001
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Speaker 1: in Well, what happens if let's say Warren or Sanders

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Speaker 1: should win for the Democrats. That becomes a problem if

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Speaker 1: the conservative spies want to start creating problems for the liberals.

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Speaker 1: So of course there's let me ask this, Brian, there's

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Speaker 1: a constitutional loath that you took in the c I.

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Speaker 1: It was the same oath that I took as a

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Speaker 1: lawyer for the Treasury Department, and I'm going to faithfully

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Speaker 1: execute the laws of the United States, defend the Constitution

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Speaker 1: of the United States. When I was sworn into Supreme Court,

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Speaker 1: it was the same thing. And I make I take

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Speaker 1: this oath of office. You took the oath of office.

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Speaker 1: Your fellow agents took this oath of office. But they're

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Speaker 1: basically what I'm hearing from you is that there are people.

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Speaker 1: Now we're not talking about all the people when I've

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Speaker 1: been talking about a majority of the people, but there

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Speaker 1: are some intrenched within these agencies, including our spy intelligence Agency.

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Speaker 1: These are agencies and in conduct counterintelligence, UH, deal with

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Speaker 1: terrorism that disagree with the policy and operated. You said,

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Speaker 1: I know what's best for foreign policy and national security.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to act on that. As if they had

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Speaker 1: the right to do that. That's just the concern, Right.

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Speaker 1: So you've got a group of people with tremendous power,

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Speaker 1: and trust me, I had it, and it is uh.

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Speaker 1: It is an amazing power to have. It can also

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Speaker 1: be wickedly seductive. Right. So they've got this tremendous power,

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Speaker 1: and if they start engaging in this partisan warfare, they

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Speaker 1: forget their oath not only to the agency that you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: the Department of Treasury, et cetera, as a civil servant,

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Speaker 1: but to your constitution and ultimately your commander in chief. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And that is the piece that starts to get extraordinarily

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Speaker 1: dangerous for the republic. And that's a huge concern that

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Speaker 1: I have, regardless of the fact that I'm a Democrat.

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Speaker 1: I mean, before being a Democrat, I'm an American, and

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Speaker 1: I think that that's the most important thing that most

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Speaker 1: fives understand. But clearly there's a group that aren't. And

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Speaker 1: in fact, one journalist recently quoted a member of the

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Speaker 1: intelligence community is saying, the d i C. Or the

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Speaker 1: intelligence community is going full stop on this guy, and

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Speaker 1: we are going to make sure that he dies in jail.

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Speaker 1: That is horrified. All right. So you've got a policy

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Speaker 1: president United States that's putting forward policies that he thinks

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Speaker 1: are best for the country in consultation with his cabinet.

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Speaker 1: That's how it works in a constitutional republic. So that's

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Speaker 1: that's usually a given. What is not a given is

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Speaker 1: that you've got and I know there has been This

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Speaker 1: is not the first time in our history where we've

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Speaker 1: had leaks, but what I hear from you and in

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Speaker 1: reading your really well done article. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: this is up at Fox news dot com and I

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Speaker 1: encourage people to get it. It's by our guest, Brian

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Speaker 1: Dean Wright, former c I A operations officer and as

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Speaker 1: he said, proudly a registered Democrat. And this is not

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Speaker 1: a Republican Democrat issue. This is goes to the heart

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Speaker 1: of our constitutional republic. So if there's disagreement, Brian, in

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Speaker 1: an agency on an intelligence matter or the way something

1056
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Speaker 1: should be approached, there's normal conversation. I would expect that

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Speaker 1: people talk about their differences. It's that's very different from

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Speaker 1: then acting on So what is it typically without disclosing

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Speaker 1: information that would be confidential. When you were engaged in

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Speaker 1: your activities with the CIA, you had discussions, because I've

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Speaker 1: represented agency officials before, you had discussions where people might

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Speaker 1: have disagreed on an approach. What was that supposed to

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Speaker 1: look like when you disagreed it was a real conversation. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you from what I understand what has already happened.

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Speaker 1: And this is not open source, but I'll give you

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Speaker 1: sense with this pieces of Russia and and ties to

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Speaker 1: some of the cadre that surrounds President Trump. Right, so

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Speaker 1: the investigation, uh that there is one. Right now, the

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Speaker 1: Department of Justice and its Counter Espionage Division are working

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Speaker 1: with the n s A and the CIA to make

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Speaker 1: sure that there are no defarious connections as have been alleged.

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Speaker 1: That's where this should happen, right within the system that

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Speaker 1: is classified in nature, and use all various kinds of

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Speaker 1: tools to make sure that that isn't in fact happening.

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Speaker 1: That is this connection between President Trump and some of

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Speaker 1: these advisors and the Russian government. All of we should

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Speaker 1: stand up and say, listen, that is a good thing.

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Speaker 1: Let's make sure that there's nothing to this. And if

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Speaker 1: there is nothing, then this investigation dies. It does not

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Speaker 1: be prosecuted, should not be prosecuted in the open press.

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Speaker 1: That is not good for the country because clearly it's

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Speaker 1: being done for partisan reasons. So I have absolutely no objection.

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Speaker 1: I don't think any reasonable person would have an objection

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Speaker 1: to making sure there's no funny business going on between

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Speaker 1: the current president and the Russian government. But for Pete's sake,

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Speaker 1: it cannot, it must not be prosecuted in a way

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Speaker 1: that it currently is in the open press. You wrote

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Speaker 1: in your peace, and I want to quote this exactly.

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Speaker 1: You said, for reasons of misguided righteousness or partisan hatred

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Speaker 1: talking about these that are leaking and causing these issues.

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Speaker 1: They've taken in upon themselves to be judge, jury an executioner.

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Speaker 1: They have prosecuted their case in the court of public

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Speaker 1: opinion with like minded media outlets. And you point out CNN,

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Speaker 1: the New York Times, the Washington Post. But we're talking

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Speaker 1: about our nation. Spies are intelligence gathering capability here. So

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Speaker 1: what you're writing about, Brian, is a very serious statement.

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Speaker 1: And when you first heard of the leagues and first

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Speaker 1: saw the league, what was your initial reaction to this? Well,

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Speaker 1: when the dos he uh was the league? Uh? In

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Speaker 1: the fall? I gotta tell you, my jaw hit the

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Speaker 1: ground because here's the thing. You do not brief unvetted rumors. Right,

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Speaker 1: There's something called Presidential Daily Brief or the PDB, and

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Speaker 1: when that goes to the president obviously usually every day,

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Speaker 1: there are a variety of different pieces of information that

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Speaker 1: about what's happening in the world. Well, they included this

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Speaker 1: this doss he which was completely apparently unvetted, right, and

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Speaker 1: just rumored that doesn't happen. I can't emphasize how bizarre,

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Speaker 1: uh that is to be done. And in fact President

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Speaker 1: Biden at the time, the Vice President Biden rather said

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Speaker 1: well this is strange. Why the heck are you guys

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Speaker 1: including this. He's on the record of saying that, right,

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Speaker 1: And then of course the c I. A. Brennan at

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Speaker 1: the time was director, said well, hey, it's it's it's

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Speaker 1: not our information. We we just included it just in case,

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Speaker 1: you know that the next president want to be should

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Speaker 1: be aware that this was out there. That's garbage, that

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Speaker 1: doesn't happen. So clearly they did this for a political purpose,

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Speaker 1: knowing that it would be leaked and thus smears President Trump. Again,

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Speaker 1: I did not vote for Mr Trump the president. It

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Speaker 1: was not my choice, but I understand that he is

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Speaker 1: my president, and he's the country's president for at least

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Speaker 1: the next four years. And this kind of stuff that

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Speaker 1: happens in terms of politization, it's so incredibly dangerous. I've

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Speaker 1: always taken the position at look, I mean, elections, common

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Speaker 1: election goes, but the Constitution and the republic that is

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Speaker 1: represented by that Constitution in the United States of America,

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Speaker 1: we've endured really difficult times in our history. But when

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Speaker 1: you've got this kind of partisan bickering or even worse

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Speaker 1: here leaks and attempts to sabotage the elections over there's

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Speaker 1: been an election. I mean, that's what happens now, you

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Speaker 1: wrote again, I I like pointing people to evidence into

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Speaker 1: hard facts. You wrote. If you're not convinced about this difficulty,

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Speaker 1: imagine that consequences of letting spies decide not just Trump's

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Speaker 1: fate but other political winners and losers. To imagine how

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Speaker 1: they might treat our candidates next talking about Democratic candidates.

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Speaker 1: So I look at the situation with Mike Flynn, putting

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Speaker 1: aside the fact, which is hard to put aside, that

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Speaker 1: he made a misstatement to the Vice president of the

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Speaker 1: United States, so that was you get terminated for that,

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Speaker 1: but the fact that that information was leaked, there was

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Speaker 1: lack of minimization, which isn't within the own law on

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Speaker 1: how you deal with that, The fact that information is

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Speaker 1: leaked and letting spies decide the fate of these I

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Speaker 1: feel like that with Mike Flynn, they figured they got one.

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Speaker 1: Now those that are opposed to what Donald Trump, what

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Speaker 1: the president wants to do, are looking for the next target.

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Speaker 1: Am I overstanding that? I think that's fair, and I

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Speaker 1: think that that you were getting to that conclusion because

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Speaker 1: you're looking at the evidence and it's a pretty reasonable

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Speaker 1: one to say, well who's next, right, And that's the

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Speaker 1: ultimate fear that I have is once this can gets

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Speaker 1: opened about, you know, partisanship within our intelligent agencies, it's

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Speaker 1: incredibly difficult to shut it because when the culture starts

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Speaker 1: to do embrace, even to a small degree, it's it's

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Speaker 1: people get away with it. Then what's to prevent the

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Speaker 1: next generation of spies to try the same thing? You know?

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Speaker 1: So that's the concern, is we end up like a

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Speaker 1: Pakistan or in Egypt that we're you know, the intelligence

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Speaker 1: agencies really control those nations even though there is a

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Speaker 1: quasi democratic process in each of those countries. That's the fear. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And of course not you know, Egypt, Pakistan and not.

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Speaker 1: Constitutional republics were more than as you said, we're more

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Speaker 1: than a democracy here. We're a constitutional republic. We have rules,

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Speaker 1: we have laws, we have a constitution that impacts how

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Speaker 1: the branches of government operate. So bottom line here and

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Speaker 1: this is you know, you you served our country honorably

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Speaker 1: in the c I A. How serious of a threat

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Speaker 1: is this for our national security and for our republic.

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Speaker 1: I think we should all be watching this very closely.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that it is at any breaking point,

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01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: but boil boy, the fever is increasing and we have

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Speaker 1: to be watching these kinds of stories are coming out,

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Speaker 1: you know, referencing these intelligence officials, and if it continues

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Speaker 1: to happen, we have all got to be deeply concerned

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Speaker 1: because I think President Trump will understandably react very angrily

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Speaker 1: to the intelligence community, and he will start, one could say,

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Speaker 1: understandably shutting different entities down, different operators, and that's not

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Speaker 1: in the best interest of the country. Do you think

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Speaker 1: there do you sense there is tension? I mean there's

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Speaker 1: in the media is talking about this tension between the

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Speaker 1: intelligence community and the president. When you've got information being leaked,

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Speaker 1: i'd have some tension to what's your sense of the

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Speaker 1: of the relationship, what you're hearing from your former colleagues,

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Speaker 1: what's your sense there At the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: all the uh that that are my friends salute the man.

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Speaker 1: They understand that he's their commander in chief. I think

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Speaker 1: that there has been some pretty profound frustrations, if I

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01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 1: can just be real honest around the the rejection that

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Speaker 1: President Trump or Kennedy Trump had that the Russians were

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Speaker 1: monkeying around in our election. Listen, I don't believe that

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Speaker 1: they ultimately convinced Americans to vote for Trump or against Clinton.

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Speaker 1: I think that American people made their choice. But what

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Speaker 1: people in the intelligence community were very frustrated with it is, listen,

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Speaker 1: we we did our job as for president. We we

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01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 1: gave you very good information and the excellent assessment with

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Speaker 1: multiple sources of information that the Russians were doing this business,

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Speaker 1: and you just rejected. That was the first frustration I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of us had, both former and from

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Speaker 1: what I understand the current the second pieces. You know,

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Speaker 1: on the first full day, he did try to go

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Speaker 1: to the agency. In fact, he did go and in

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Speaker 1: front of the wall of fallen comrades and and said, hey, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, I want to address you all, you know,

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Speaker 1: managmen and man woman. And he turned into a bit

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Speaker 1: of a candidate at that point. He talked about how

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Speaker 1: smart he was and where she disliked the media. It

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Speaker 1: just was the wrong place at the wrong time to

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Speaker 1: have that kind of conversation, and but of course, as

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Speaker 1: you as you said, though, Bran, none of that justifies

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Speaker 1: if there's tension, None of it justifies this leak's all right.

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Speaker 1: Brian Wright has a great piece up at Fox News

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Speaker 1: is an op ed. It's called I'm a Democrat and

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Speaker 1: next CIA. But the spies planning against Trump are out

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Speaker 1: of control. Brian, I really appreciate you coming on the

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Speaker 1: Sean Hannity prog am and appreciate your insight on this.

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Speaker 1: This is a big topic and I'm with you. We

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Speaker 1: gotta keep our eye on this. I am very concerned

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Speaker 1: about where this could go, and I'm very concerned about

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Speaker 1: the next aspect of this. So we are keeping our

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Speaker 1: eye on this. We're gonna be back with a lot

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Speaker 1: more conversation. We'll taking some calls. We've joined by my

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Speaker 1: friend Doug shown talk about some of the politics of

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Speaker 1: all of this. Believe it or not, folks, even in

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Speaker 1: the intelligence agencies, it's politics, you know. At the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, that's what we're dealing with. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: talk to Doug Sean. I want to talk to him

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Speaker 1: about Keith Ellison. I trust Doug. I like Doug. I

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Speaker 1: don't always agree see what he has to say, so

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Speaker 1: we'll take more of your calls at one Sean. That's

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Speaker 1: one eight, nine, four, one seven, three to six. I'm

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Speaker 1: Jay Sekulo, sending in for Sean Hannity. Be back with

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Speaker 1: you in a moment. The biggest stories of the day,

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Speaker 1: solutions to help move America forwards. This is a Sean Show.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Sean Hannity Program. Everybody. This is

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Speaker 1: Jay Sekulo. I'm guest hosting for Sean. We're taking your

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Speaker 1: calls at one Sean. That's one to six. Coming up,

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Speaker 1: our friend Doug Show, and I want to ask him

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Speaker 1: about the Democratic National Committee chairman race, where Keith Ellison,

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Speaker 1: congressman that has said provocative things to say the least

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Speaker 1: I call him an anti Semite. He is the leading

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Speaker 1: candidate right now. We'll get Dougs perspective on all of this.

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Speaker 1: We've had a fascinating conversation about what we're calling the

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Speaker 1: shadow government, and that is this whole issue involving the

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Speaker 1: in French bureaucrats. They're unelected, they're unaccountable, but they're running

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Speaker 1: these agencies. How do you root them out? We talked

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Speaker 1: about that. You gotta take action. I think this president

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Speaker 1: is gonna do it all right. We're gonna come back

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Speaker 1: from the break again, J Seculo. You can follow me

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Speaker 1: at j Sekulo. Also get information at a c l

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Speaker 1: J dot org. And we've got a radio broadcast at noon.

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Speaker 1: Be back with more in just a moment. Hey, welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the Sean Hannity Show. Everybody. This is J Secular,

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Speaker 1: guest hosting for Sean. We're taking your calls at one

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Speaker 1: hundred nine f one Seawan. That's one one seven three

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Speaker 1: two six. I am the chief counsel of the American

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Speaker 1: Center for Law in Justice. It's spent a lot of

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Speaker 1: my time dealing with cases at the Supreme Court in

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Speaker 1: the United States and litigating in front of the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: I thought about this the other day. For three decades,

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Speaker 1: thirty years and UM actually had a case in front

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Speaker 1: of Judge Gorsch, who I am very hopeful will soon

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Speaker 1: be Justice Gorsage of the United States Supreme Court. We

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Speaker 1: had a case involving a ten Commandments display out of Utah.

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Speaker 1: That case ended up, but what's called an on bank proceeding,

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Speaker 1: that is the entire ten Circuit heard it. He Although

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Speaker 1: we lost in the District Court. One in the District

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Speaker 1: Court lost in the Court of Appeals, we won unanimously

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Speaker 1: at the Supreme Court nine to zero in our favorite

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Speaker 1: Judge Gorset's joined an opinion by Judge McConnell which really

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Speaker 1: served as the basis of our religious liberty claim and

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Speaker 1: our free speech claim. And I was very pleased with that,

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Speaker 1: and I'm looking forward to Judge Gorsets becoming Justice Gorgious.

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Speaker 1: I was hearing set for March twenty, so this pretty

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Speaker 1: much the Supreme Court term this time is probably going

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Speaker 1: to be gone, but we will have him for the

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Speaker 1: next term. We'll be back to a full complement of

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Speaker 1: nine justices. I've had the experience, by the way of

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Speaker 1: having eight justice members eight justices at the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 1: and I've had to reargue with cases before. It's not

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Speaker 1: fun for the lawyer. I'll tell you that that someone

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Speaker 1: that does it. I also host a radio broadcast at

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Speaker 1: new on noon Eastern Time called the J Secular Show,

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01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 1: and you can follow me at J Secular on Twitter

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01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 1: and follow the A c l J at a c

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Speaker 1: l J dot org. I'm gonna go ahead and take

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Speaker 1: some calls. Let's go ahead and get Paula up from Hamilton, Ohio. Paula,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Seawan Hanny Show. Hey, how are you great? Um?

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Speaker 1: I have been watching you and listening to you for years,

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01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,600
Speaker 1: and I'm feeling older by the moment when you said that,

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Speaker 1: But go ahead. I appreciate that, really respect you. I've

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01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 1: watched you for years and I've prayed that you would

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01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 1: be able to give wise counsel to President Trump. And Um,

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Speaker 1: but my question was about Hillary and Obama and Loretta

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01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 1: Lynch and I was just wondering, why hasn't any of

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Speaker 1: them than brought to justice yet? Well, here's what you happen. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So here's what you've got, um, And this is a look,

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Speaker 1: this is a decision that that when President Trump became president,

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Speaker 1: he had to make. Was he going to allow the

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Speaker 1: Justice Department to reopen the investigation of Hillary Clinton. The

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Speaker 1: President wanted to move forward, he wanted to look forward,

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Speaker 1: So going looking back and drag the country into something

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Speaker 1: that sometimes it's just not that necessary. So with President Obama, look,

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01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,720
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't like the policies, I didn't like

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Speaker 1: the I R. S targeting, and there was a whole

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Speaker 1: host of issues I didn't like the way we handle

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01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 1: the war on terrorism. But that's the past now and

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01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 1: I think what we've got to do is look forward.

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Speaker 1: And what we've been talking about on the on the

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Speaker 1: program today, and it's something I'm very concerned about, is

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Speaker 1: this undercurrent inside these agencies. Doesn't mean, by the way,

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Speaker 1: that that that everybody has to agree on every policy,

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Speaker 1: on every issue, but this idea that you've got leaks

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01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:53,240
Speaker 1: going on right now by the intelligence agencies themselves should

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01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 1: be sending chills up Republicans and Democrats. We should all

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Speaker 1: be concerned about that because it's it's not simply a problem.

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Speaker 1: It goes beyond a problem. This goes to the heart

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Speaker 1: of our constitutional republic. And it's one thing to challenge

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Speaker 1: the president's policies, and you know, you know, we challenge

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01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:14,679
Speaker 1: a lot of those policies in court. I was involved

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Speaker 1: in a lot of the litigation on that on those

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Speaker 1: issues during the Obama administration. But at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, now you got to look forward. You've got

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Speaker 1: to close these leaks down. I think you have to

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01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:27,360
Speaker 1: have wide discussion in any of these situations, but you

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Speaker 1: have to go forward. And I think the President made

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Speaker 1: the decision. We're gonna move forward. We're not going to

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Speaker 1: concentrate on the press. Look, President Obama is not going away.

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Speaker 1: I think that is very very clear. He's going nowhere.

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01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 1: He set up his Organizing for Action, which was the

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Speaker 1: previous Obama for America group. He's already tweeting about various

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01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 1: protests going on right now and encouraging a lot of that.

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Speaker 1: He's a citizen, it's a former president. Is the right

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Speaker 1: to do it. But I think we have to be

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Speaker 1: aware of what is going on internally, and that's where

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Speaker 1: this real fight comes in. I appreciate your call, Paula.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. Let's take Mike's call out a Los Angeles, California.

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Speaker 1: Hi'm Mike, Hey j how are you, brother? Good? Good? Good?

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, please listen. Um, this has just been bothered

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Speaker 1: me ever since it occurred. Why didn't President Trump just

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Speaker 1: tell the Ninth Circuit to stick it? You know, I'm

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Speaker 1: the president, You're only the Ninth Circuit. You can yeah,

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Speaker 1: because we're a country of laws, and even presidents will

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Speaker 1: respect the law. And I think, look, the President made

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Speaker 1: very clear he disagree with the Ninth Circuit opinion. He's

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Speaker 1: gonna be reissuing an order. I think it's gonna moot

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Speaker 1: that entire case out. But we're a country of laws

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Speaker 1: are coequal branches of government. That's what we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: So a president shouldn't ignore the courts. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think that's a mistake. I mean, you gotta fight when

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Speaker 1: you get listened. I don't like losing and I like

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Speaker 1: getting you know. I famously in the Supreme Court case

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Speaker 1: I had, we had lost it in lower court, came

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Speaker 1: up to the Supreme Court in the United States. Then

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Speaker 1: Chief Justice William Rehnquist said to me, goes, Mr Saeculo,

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01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,040
Speaker 1: exactly what would you like us to do here? And

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Speaker 1: I said, somewhere in the opinion, I'd like it to

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01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,599
Speaker 1: say reversed, because that means we would have won. So

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Speaker 1: the President respected the court, disagreed with it, but moved

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Speaker 1: on by issuing. I believe the new order that will

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Speaker 1: come out Monday. Hey, good news. Doug shown is joining us.

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Speaker 1: He is. I've been on this program both on radio

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Speaker 1: and TV with Doug for many years, of course a

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01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:16,520
Speaker 1: regular with Sean Doug. I want to get your impression

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Speaker 1: and your sense, and you're well connected Polster political analysts

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Speaker 1: for Fox. I appreciate you coming on this whole situation

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01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 1: with Keith Ellison and he you know, a lot of

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Speaker 1: people think he was gonna be the chair of the

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Speaker 1: d n C. This is a guy and I'm just

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Speaker 1: laying out the evidence and we could. I'll play it

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Speaker 1: for everybody and if we need to. He has made

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Speaker 1: some very anti Semitic statements. He has he has a

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Speaker 1: former relationship with Louis Farrakhan. He was investigated by the

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Speaker 1: Congress for a meeting with the Saudis, uh and and

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Speaker 1: groups that were sponsoring terrorists. You're a democratic polster, You're

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Speaker 1: a polster. What do you think? Tell me what is

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Speaker 1: happening here with your party? Well? I don't know, Jay,

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Speaker 1: I I can't answer the question because this is a horrant.

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Speaker 1: This is somebody who has never renounced his support of

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Speaker 1: our coon announced Farcon. He has made comments that I

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Speaker 1: consider hostile to Jews, if not anti semitic, and he

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Speaker 1: you know, I will not be the same type of

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Speaker 1: democrat I am now and have been for forty years.

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Speaker 1: If Keith Allison becomes the d n C chairman, I

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Speaker 1: can say that with certainly, what do you think is

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01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 1: gonna happen there? Doug, I mean, do you. I mean

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01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 1: a lot of people think if it goes more than

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Speaker 1: two rounds in the vote in Atlanta, that maybe not him,

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Speaker 1: but if it's in the one or first or second,

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Speaker 1: it probably goes to him. What do you think? What

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01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 1: are you here? I think he's the front runner going

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Speaker 1: into the multi candidate process. Um, you know. I think

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Speaker 1: it'll be close between me and Paris on the first ballot.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what will happen thereafter. But all I

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01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:49,439
Speaker 1: can say if if he's the front runner, having the

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Speaker 1: support of our senior Senator Schumer here in New York,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's calamitous, horrible. How explained to me, Doug?

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01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 1: How do the party? How did the DNC? Because I've

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Speaker 1: said this is what I said. Republican or Democrat, independent, libertary,

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Speaker 1: and whatever your political position is. We have two major

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Speaker 1: parties in the United States, Republicans and Democrats. The idea

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Speaker 1: that one of the major parties in the United States

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Speaker 1: would be not only aligning themselves with but supporting and

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Speaker 1: nominating and putting in as the chair of the d

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Speaker 1: n C Keith Ellison, that has me concerned as an

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Speaker 1: American and where that party is going and what it

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01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,559
Speaker 1: means for our country. How did you get here? I

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01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean the left has taken over the party.

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01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 1: Israel has been delegitimized to a very large event, and

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01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 1: as part and parcel of that, somebody who has views

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01:16:41,400 --> 01:16:44,679
Speaker 1: that I think are outside the mainstream, certainly on Israel,

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01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 1: the Middle East, and Louis Farton uh is um emerging

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01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 1: as a front runner, if not the front runner. And Jay,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. I spoke to some non Jews

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Speaker 1: today and they couldn't bleekly when they didn't believe me

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01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 1: when I explained who Allison was and who far Account was.

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01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 1: You know, this is in large measure of faded from

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01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 1: our consciousness. But those of us who are culturally, politically

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01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 1: and socially aware Jews and Democrats, you know this is

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01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 1: almost a revival of the Holocaust. Let's be clear. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean the things that the things that he said,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna play. I want to play some of the

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Speaker 1: sound here. You know, I'll get to the impeachment one

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01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 1: in a moment, but I want to play. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you've got this is Look, it's a free country. You

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01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 1: can believe in any religion, you want, and we have

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01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 1: no oath of office. You can. But there's a difference

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Speaker 1: between believing in a religion and preaching hate, and ellis

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01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 1: exactly have preached hate consistently with never never an apology.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I don't understand. And I've got a lot

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Speaker 1: of family members that are Democrats, uh, coming from Jewish households.

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01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 1: It's part of the politics. My family wasn't, but a

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Speaker 1: lot work all right, So let me play this sound

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Speaker 1: bite because I think this is the most anti Semitic

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Speaker 1: of all of them. And this is the bite where

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01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 1: basically what Ellison lays out is this issue of seven

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Speaker 1: million people controlling the foreign policy. And basically he doesn't

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Speaker 1: say Israel, but this is the reference. Obviously, let's go

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01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:18,120
Speaker 1: ahead and play that one. The United States for policy

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01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:20,800
Speaker 1: in the Middle East is governed by what is good

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01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:23,640
Speaker 1: or bad through a country of seven million people, a

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Speaker 1: region of three million. All terms are a cuntry of

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Speaker 1: seven million. Does that make sense? What does make sense? Actually,

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01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 1: because Israel's are allied. But you know, Doug, he's talking

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Speaker 1: about million people now. And by the way, not all

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Speaker 1: of them, not all of them are not allies. Are

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01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:45,919
Speaker 1: Egypt Jordan. We've got allies in the region, the United States,

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01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:48,040
Speaker 1: but in the Gulf States. But you know in that

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Speaker 1: region is also Iran and Syria. So how in the

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Speaker 1: world is and and what does this mean for the

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01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:58,680
Speaker 1: Democratic Party if it goes in this direction, Doug? What

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01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:01,040
Speaker 1: what do you think the future holds? It means that

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01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 1: we are throwing in with the worst sort of anti Semites.

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01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 1: And I call it racism because you just can't ascribe

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01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 1: political views and social views to people based on their

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01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 1: religion and creed. It is. It is horrific. And look, Jake,

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Speaker 1: you and I have differed on politics, sometimes VEHEMENTI but

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01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 1: that to me is the American way. This is rank, gross,

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01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:34,360
Speaker 1: offensive anti semitism that cannot be countenanced, whatever your views are.

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01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 1: If I was a leftist Democrat, which I'm not, I

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01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 1: would still find this abhorrant. So the question, of course,

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Speaker 1: it begs the question, Doug. And that is right now

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Speaker 1: he's the leading contender so inside that party, and I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if this is the Bernie Sanders wing

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Speaker 1: or it is. Okay, so is the influence of that

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01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 1: part of the Democratic Party. That's significant right now that

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's leading yes, it is, and it means

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Speaker 1: that are only uh stable, consistent democratic ally in the

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Speaker 1: Middle East, Israel is at risk. Let's be clear. I

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01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:12,640
Speaker 1: know there's this, you know, Doug, there's something area and

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Speaker 1: we both agree on this. And I've done a lot

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Speaker 1: of work for for the State of Israel. I've I've

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Speaker 1: done a lot of legal work at the International Criminal

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Speaker 1: Court in the Hague defending Israel's positions on a variety

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Speaker 1: of things. And we've talked about this before. There's this

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Speaker 1: whole movement to de legitimize you said, a de legitimize

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Speaker 1: Israel is called BDS, boycott, divest sanction. To me, this

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Speaker 1: feeds into the worst of that by by encouraging this

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Speaker 1: kind of anti Semitic, anti Israel, anti Jewish fervor inside

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Speaker 1: the party. That's absolutely right, and that's what so scares me,

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Speaker 1: because this hasn't gotten the attention it deserves. Only courageous

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Speaker 1: people like yourself and Sean have brought it out. But

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Speaker 1: this has calamitous, calamitous potential impact on the State of

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Speaker 1: Israel and indeed on our relations, as you suggest rightly

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Speaker 1: with other states radical states in the Middle East. At

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, if Keith Ellison is the

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Speaker 1: chair of the d n C. What do you think

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Speaker 1: the reaction within the party will be. I think, sadly,

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01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 1: in the most cases, it will be a big yawn.

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Speaker 1: The sent minority leader is his most prominent supporter, who

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01:21:22,439 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 1: is a you know, a to who has been a

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Speaker 1: strong supporter of Israel, opposed the the Aran nuclear deal.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how he can back Ellison. I couldn't

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01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:38,719
Speaker 1: back him ever, just that, but I think it's gonna

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01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 1: be bad for Israel. J And we got to keep

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Speaker 1: speaking out. We appreciate it, Doug. Thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you and saying this. Look, there's areas, like

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Speaker 1: he said, we're Doug said, we agree, we disagree. This

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Speaker 1: is when we agree on this would be disastrous for

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Speaker 1: the country. That's what I'm saying about Keith Ellison as

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Speaker 1: the d n C disasters for our country, disastrous for

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Speaker 1: the state of Israel. And I think that we as

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Speaker 1: Americans have to understand that. All Right, Jay Secular in

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Speaker 1: for Sean Hannity. I'll be back with your phone calls

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Speaker 1: in just a moment. Breaking every single day. This is

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Speaker 1: the Sean Hannity Show, and welcome back to the Sean

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Speaker 1: Hannity Show. It's Jay Sekulo Shan. That's seven, three to six.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you what we're looking at Monday. I'm

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01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 1: already looking to Monday. New executive order is probably going

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01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 1: to be released from the President on Monday. That executive

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Speaker 1: order is going to deal with the issue of asylum

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01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:09,280
Speaker 1: immigration from seven countries of concern. Now they may expand

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Speaker 1: that out somewhat. The seven countries of concern were the

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01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:15,920
Speaker 1: countries that the Obama administration labeled as the most dangerous,

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01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 1: the place we could not verify who was coming in

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01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 1: and coming out of the United States. Now, we went

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01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 1: to work when the first case came out, when the

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01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:25,519
Speaker 1: President unrolled it back in January, and then the Ninth

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01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:28,200
Speaker 1: Circuit came out with their decision. We looked at that

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Speaker 1: Ninth Circuit decision, which, by the way, fundamentally was incorrect

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Speaker 1: as a matter of law. In our view, the Ninth

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01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:36,759
Speaker 1: Circuit is generally incorrect as a matter of almost reversed

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01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:38,800
Speaker 1: circuit in the country, always in the top one or two.

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Speaker 1: But I looked at the holes, if you will, that

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Speaker 1: were in the order, and those holes, I believe what

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Speaker 1: you're gonna see on Monday or Tuesday are going to

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Speaker 1: be filled. The president has the authority to determine who

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Speaker 1: comes into the United States and who does not. There

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Speaker 1: is not a constitutional right to migration into the United States.

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Speaker 1: There's not a constitution. And I'm I'm the grandson of

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Speaker 1: a Russian immigrant, so I believe in legal immigration, and

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01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 1: I think we need immigration reform, comprehensive immigration reform. But

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, we need to know who's coming

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Speaker 1: in and what they're up to. So I believe what

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Speaker 1: you're gonna see in the new order that the President

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01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:14,200
Speaker 1: is gonna put forward is gonna be a clarification of

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Speaker 1: exactly that the seven countries of origin will be named.

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Speaker 1: That will we do process for those that are Green cardholders,

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Speaker 1: those with visas. That doesn't mean, by the way, that

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Speaker 1: when you come into the United States, even if you

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Speaker 1: have a valid visa, that you can't be questions. For instance,

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Speaker 1: if you were in Czechnia. The Sarnet brothers were here

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01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 1: legally they went to Czechenia, our immigration officials could have

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01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 1: questioned them significantly about what they were doing in Czechenia

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Speaker 1: even though they had a visa. So part of that

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01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:44,599
Speaker 1: is just the law as it is, so I expect

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01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 1: that order to come out on Monday. So that'll be, uh,

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01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:51,479
Speaker 1: I think a pretty big day for the President again

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Speaker 1: as he rolls out this new uh immigration order. When

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01:24:54,960 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 1: we come back, I'm gonna take more of your calls.

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Speaker 1: This is J Sekulo, Chief Council of the American Center

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01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 1: for Law in Justice, for Sean Hannity today. One eight

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01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 1: one sewn. That's one eight hundred nine four one seven,

1553
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 1: three to six. We'll be back with more in just

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Speaker 1: a minute. Yea, yeah, yeah, Hey, welcome back to the

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01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:41,479
Speaker 1: broadcast with Sean Hanny's program. I appreciate Linda having playing

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Speaker 1: that song for my bandmates. That's J Secular Band, a

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01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:46,320
Speaker 1: great tune. We have a Facebook page, by the way,

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01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:49,680
Speaker 1: J Secular Band on Facebook. That's simple. All right, we're

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01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 1: gonna take your calls. One's seven, three to six. Let's

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Speaker 1: go ahead and start with Dan and Buffalo. Go ahead, Dan,

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01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:01,280
Speaker 1: you're on, Yes, Hi, Hey, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: You're doing a great job. Thanks me and joining the

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01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 1: show today. UM my pleasure, wasn't it here in Wyoming? Uh.

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Speaker 1: You probably know that Wyoming is um the largest energy

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01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 1: producing state in the right country. And we've lost thousands

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Speaker 1: of jobs in the last two years under the last

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Speaker 1: administration and the e p A. And my question is,

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Speaker 1: and I'll just listen to your answer off the line, Um,

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Speaker 1: what do you know about Prutt and who has been

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01:27:30,160 --> 01:27:33,560
Speaker 1: appointed by by President Trump? Yeah, and I know that

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01:27:33,720 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 1: he was an attorney general I believe for Oklahoma and

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01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:38,519
Speaker 1: he's fighting against the e PA for years. But I'm

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Speaker 1: wondering if you have any insight into me. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: actually we've worked with Scott Pruett in a variety of

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Speaker 1: capacities as the as the attorney general to state, and

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Speaker 1: I think the President made a great select the e

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Speaker 1: p A regulatory process. And you could be in favor

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Speaker 1: of environmental protection, I get it, but some of these

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01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 1: rules and regulations are so non number one outdated. Some

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Speaker 1: of these don't even make sense with the technology we

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01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 1: have now. But also what you saw in Wyoming and

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Speaker 1: what you've seen and elsewhere in the country is it

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Speaker 1: is stopped our ability for energy independence. And I think

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01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:11,760
Speaker 1: eliminating these unness I love what the President is doing

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01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 1: about For every new regulation, two have got to go

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01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:16,840
Speaker 1: and a great way to start that is right there

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Speaker 1: in the Environmental Protection Agency. I think that's where a

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01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 1: great place to start. So I think Scott Pruitt was

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Speaker 1: a great choice. Will do a great job. Randy from Cincinnati, Ohio. Hi, Randy, Jay,

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Speaker 1: how are you doing good? Sir? Hey, I have a

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01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 1: question about the executive order you were just talking about

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Speaker 1: Monday Monday. Um, you know, and I know that a

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Speaker 1: liberal group like the a c l U was going

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01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 1: to job shop this and challenge the coutionality of it. Um,

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01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:49,720
Speaker 1: my question is why can't an organization or group like

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01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 1: yours the minute he signs that, you guys challenged the

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01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 1: constitutionality of that law in front of a judge that

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01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:04,559
Speaker 1: would be more favorable uh, getting it in the circuit. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you how it works, though, and I

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Speaker 1: appreciate that. I appreciate the call. So here's how it works.

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Speaker 1: It's called forum shopping. By the way, it's not illegal.

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01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:13,560
Speaker 1: You can go to a forum that is hospitable to

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01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:17,120
Speaker 1: your viewpoint. And that's precisely what why Washington State and

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01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:20,240
Speaker 1: Minnesota joined them in this. That's why they went to

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Speaker 1: the Ninth Circuit because it is the most liberal court

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01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 1: in the United States. The Ninth Circuit not only ignored

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Speaker 1: the law live in a twop that gives the president

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01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:31,680
Speaker 1: the authority and make these determinations on on asylum and

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Speaker 1: immigration and coming into the United States. They didn't just

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Speaker 1: ignore it, they didn't even cite it as if it

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Speaker 1: doesn't exist. But the way you have to beat them,

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01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 1: and this is what we did. While it was this

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Speaker 1: first round, the initial executive order, we filed what's called

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Speaker 1: a friend of the court brief. So the American Center

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Speaker 1: for Law in Justice, our organization a c l J

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01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:52,599
Speaker 1: dot org, we filed a brief on behalf of millions

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01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:56,879
Speaker 1: of our members, putting out the legal position that established

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01:29:56,920 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 1: the president's authority. So how you engage the litigation when

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01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:03,720
Speaker 1: you're not a party is through these called amikas cure

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01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:05,360
Speaker 1: a friend of the court briefs. That's what we did

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01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 1: so the administration can't file what's called a put up lawsuit.

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01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:12,040
Speaker 1: By the way, there were times when the Obama administration

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Speaker 1: would do that. They would encourage groups to go file

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Speaker 1: lawsuits to establish their right to do something, even though

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Speaker 1: they were in cahoots with each other. It was a

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Speaker 1: fake plane of fake defendant. I wrote about it in

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Speaker 1: a book called Undemocratic. This was a very typical practice

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Speaker 1: of the Obama administration. But the way it's supposed to

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01:30:30,040 --> 01:30:32,600
Speaker 1: work in our republic is you get a lawsuit, you

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01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:34,880
Speaker 1: respond to it. Now, I think there will be an

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01:30:34,920 --> 01:30:36,920
Speaker 1: executive order Monday or Tuesday. I think it will be

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01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 1: challenged immediately. I have no idea what the Ninth Circuit

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01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:41,640
Speaker 1: will do. I believe this is gonna be air tight,

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01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:43,559
Speaker 1: and the Ninth Circuit still, I will not be shocked

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Speaker 1: if they rule against the President. Having said that, that

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Speaker 1: goes to the Supreme Court of the United States. The

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Speaker 1: way we've recommended w do process rights with it very

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Speaker 1: clear on who's covered and who's not covered. I don't

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Speaker 1: believe this religion argument, that this is a Muslim ban,

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01:30:58,240 --> 01:30:59,760
Speaker 1: it's going to carry that. I've argued a lot of

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01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:02,599
Speaker 1: pubishment clause cases. That's where the religion clauses come out

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01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 1: of the Constitution. I've argued a lot of establishment clause

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01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:07,080
Speaker 1: cases at the Supreme Court. I would be happy to

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01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 1: take that one. There is no way that they're gonna

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01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:12,240
Speaker 1: be able to say seven countries that happened to have

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01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:15,800
Speaker 1: a majority Muslim populations and that establishes a religion in

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Speaker 1: the United States or shows harm to a religion when

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Speaker 1: eighty five of the Islamic world is not covered by this.

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01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:23,920
Speaker 1: So I think it's gonna be a bogus argument. But

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01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:29,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna find out soon enough. John Michigan, go hey, John, Um,

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01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:32,639
Speaker 1: I just said an idea about term limits. You want

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01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:35,040
Speaker 1: to get your opinion on it all right now? You know,

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01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:38,080
Speaker 1: just a simple majority gets you in, right, right? Um?

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01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:41,280
Speaker 1: What if we limited to two terms like that and

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01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:43,400
Speaker 1: then on the third term they had to win by

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01:31:43,560 --> 01:31:46,400
Speaker 1: like five percent? You know what? That would take a

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01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 1: constitutional amendment? I mean, John, that would take you gotta

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01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:52,280
Speaker 1: have a constitutional amendment to put that in place. And

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01:31:53,080 --> 01:31:55,839
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I think there's a lot of valid reasons.

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Speaker 1: I'm the lawyers to I argue both sides of issues

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01:31:58,080 --> 01:31:59,639
Speaker 1: all the time. I think there's a lot of valid

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01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:03,600
Speaker 1: reason and for having term limits. And that is the

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01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:07,160
Speaker 1: idea with our founders was not that you'd have this extended,

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01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 1: always serving United States Congress. In fact, it was really

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01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:13,160
Speaker 1: deemed at our founding to be quite a burden. You

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01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:15,519
Speaker 1: gotta remember, look at the founding of our country and

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01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:17,360
Speaker 1: then the first Congress is set, or for that matter,

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01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:20,840
Speaker 1: when the first Supreme Court set, you had no transportation capabilities.

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Speaker 1: You don't even have trains at that point. Nothing. People

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01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:25,920
Speaker 1: were going on horseback or in carriage. So they would

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01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 1: go to Washington, d C. Which was like the swamp

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Speaker 1: of Washington, d C. It was uncomfortable, and there was

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01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:36,080
Speaker 1: this sense that you did this out of a sense

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01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:38,200
Speaker 1: of calling and duty, but you didn't want to do

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01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:39,720
Speaker 1: this for the rest of your life. Many of them

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01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:41,760
Speaker 1: wanted to get back to their careers, get back to

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01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:44,280
Speaker 1: their families. That you didn't hop on an airplane and

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Speaker 1: get back to you know, Alabama or to Texas in

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Speaker 1: two and a half hours from Washington. I mean these

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01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:53,160
Speaker 1: were day long's, week long drives on you know, on horseback.

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Speaker 1: So the idea was never to have this you know,

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01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:59,479
Speaker 1: continual legislative body that would be the same people all

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01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 1: the time. But again Founders would have to you have

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Speaker 1: to do an there's an amendment process in the Constitution.

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Speaker 1: It would take a constitutional amendment to do that. Adam

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Speaker 1: is calling from Michigan. Go ahead at him. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: was calling because I'm really sick of the hypocrisy. During

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Speaker 1: the election, everybody, all they wanted to talk about was

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Speaker 1: that the leaks came from Russia and nobody wanted to

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Speaker 1: talk about what was in the WEEKI leaks revelations and

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Speaker 1: not with the administration. All they want to talk about

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Speaker 1: what was leaked and where it came from. My question

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Speaker 1: for you is, as the people, what can we do

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Speaker 1: to ensure that what happened during the election doesn't happen again?

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Speaker 1: And how can we hold those people accountable for what

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Speaker 1: they did? Well, I mean the difference with wiki leaks,

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01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,639
Speaker 1: and you gotta put wiki leaks and the Hillary Clinton

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Speaker 1: email scandal on one side. That is people internally leaking

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Speaker 1: information or access to computers through servers that were not

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Speaker 1: secured enabled these nefarious groups and they're out there and

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01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:04,240
Speaker 1: there's lots of them. That's why you have software protections

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Speaker 1: and all this, and that's why what Hillary Clinton did

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01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:08,840
Speaker 1: was so dangerous by going to a server that was

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Speaker 1: not protected, not controlled by our government. That's different, and

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01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:15,479
Speaker 1: it's bad. By the way. I don't I don't like

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Speaker 1: those either. I think that what these individuals did is

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Speaker 1: treason us if they came from inside the United States.

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01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:23,280
Speaker 1: But what you've got going on right now with leaks

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01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:27,439
Speaker 1: is internal leaks. In other words, Adam, these are leaks

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01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:29,800
Speaker 1: that are happening by people that are working in the

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Speaker 1: United States government right now, in the intelligence community, and

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01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:38,840
Speaker 1: that has to have I don't care if your Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, independent,

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Speaker 1: or you never voted. That in our constitutional republic is very,

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Speaker 1: very dangerous and it sets our horrendous precedent. It puts

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Speaker 1: our people at risk, It puts our country at risk,

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01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:51,680
Speaker 1: and puts our constitutional republic at risk. Look are we

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01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:53,880
Speaker 1: there now? Are we on the cliff of danger? I

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01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:55,400
Speaker 1: don't think we're on the cliff of danger. We live

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01:34:55,400 --> 01:34:57,840
Speaker 1: in the greatest country in the world, period. But you

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01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:01,120
Speaker 1: can't allow this stuff to go on checked, which means

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01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:03,840
Speaker 1: when you find out through the Department of Justice, with

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01:35:03,920 --> 01:35:06,920
Speaker 1: a real investigation, who did this, you hold them accountable.

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01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:10,320
Speaker 1: These are felonies ten years for each act. You put

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Speaker 1: a couple of these bureaucrats in jail for doing this,

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01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:15,439
Speaker 1: for violating the law. Give them, do process, have a trial,

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01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:18,479
Speaker 1: they're found guilty, they serve time. Guess what doesn't happen

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01:35:18,520 --> 01:35:21,000
Speaker 1: so frequently it's very easy to be this, you know,

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Speaker 1: undercover information going out when you're not held accountable. And

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01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:28,120
Speaker 1: we can't have that anymore. I mean, we saw that

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Speaker 1: with the I R. S case. We won that, by

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Speaker 1: the way, in the Court of Appeals. But look, the

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01:35:31,439 --> 01:35:33,040
Speaker 1: fact is the lowest learns of the world they got

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Speaker 1: away with it. And that's just you know, it's unfortunate,

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01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:37,599
Speaker 1: but that's fact. So you gotta deal with the system

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01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:39,280
Speaker 1: you got. You do the best you can with what

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Speaker 1: you got, and that's exactly what we're gonna do. Let

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01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:43,680
Speaker 1: me go to Lvy in Jackson, New Jersey. L we

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01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:47,280
Speaker 1: go ahead. Yes, today, I'm really on the same subject

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01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:50,640
Speaker 1: with Lewis Rhino and Obama and Hillary. They have to

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01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 1: be held accountable. That's the biggest mistake we made because

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01:35:54,160 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 1: if the situation after us, well, I'm not I don't.

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01:35:59,240 --> 01:36:00,640
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you on that, but let me

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01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:03,120
Speaker 1: tell you they were held accountable. Hillary Clinton is not

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01:36:03,160 --> 01:36:05,320
Speaker 1: the President of United States Donald Trump is. I mean

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01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:08,720
Speaker 1: they lost an election. Now, if there were violations of

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01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:11,400
Speaker 1: the law, I mean that whole scenario with the FBI

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01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:15,559
Speaker 1: engaging on engaging, we found no violation. Now we've got

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01:36:15,640 --> 01:36:18,519
Speaker 1: to reopen it. There's new evidence. Then we closed it again.

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01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:20,320
Speaker 1: The FBI should not have done that. I thought that

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01:36:20,360 --> 01:36:23,000
Speaker 1: what James Comey did was inexcusable. That was not professional.

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01:36:23,080 --> 01:36:26,240
Speaker 1: It wasn't right. I think he should have resigned. Frankly,

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01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:29,680
Speaker 1: but the FBI director does not just serve at the

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01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:32,360
Speaker 1: pleasure of the president. It's a tenure appointment. It overlaps

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01:36:32,400 --> 01:36:35,600
Speaker 1: administrations and that's not on purpose. It makes sense. But

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01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:38,439
Speaker 1: the holding them accountable was you all at the ballot box.

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01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:41,880
Speaker 1: That's how you hold people accountable. Republican, Democrat, independent, that's,

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01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:44,960
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, how you're holding people

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01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:51,200
Speaker 1: really responsible. Tony from Orlando, Florida, go ahead, Tony clear

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01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:54,559
Speaker 1: in that segment about you know the shadow government, mention

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01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:57,800
Speaker 1: any coup and everything. Isn't that illegal? And what could

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01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:00,719
Speaker 1: be done about it? Well, it is illegal to engage

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01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:03,599
Speaker 1: in a shadow government. When you're leaking information. You can

1763
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:06,280
Speaker 1: we we talked about this. You could with Professor Hutchinson.

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01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:08,720
Speaker 1: You could hold your beliefs. That's one very different than

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01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:11,519
Speaker 1: acting on them in this way. So, yeah, leaking information

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01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:13,400
Speaker 1: is called a crime. We don't just call it a

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01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:15,840
Speaker 1: leak in the United States. It's a crime, and you

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01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:17,120
Speaker 1: shouldn't be able to do it and you should be

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01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:19,559
Speaker 1: held accountable. I believe that the FBI under Jeff Sessions

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01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:21,240
Speaker 1: leadership will get to the bottom. That's by the way.

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01:37:21,240 --> 01:37:23,840
Speaker 1: It won't be overnight. It's gonna take some time. But

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01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:26,960
Speaker 1: I am very encouraging to say that this is something

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01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:32,679
Speaker 1: we moved. All right. Uh Jerry from Texas, welcome to Sean. Hey,

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Speaker 1: you said that we should let Hillary Clinton go in

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01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:38,680
Speaker 1: the past. But I got two points. Okay. First of all,

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01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:40,720
Speaker 1: it's not fair to the marine and spending a year

1777
01:37:40,760 --> 01:37:43,479
Speaker 1: in jail for taking six pictures on the submarine. I

1778
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:47,400
Speaker 1: know that suck it based upon the logic that it's

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01:37:47,439 --> 01:37:49,040
Speaker 1: in the past and we should forget about it, and

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01:37:49,160 --> 01:37:52,479
Speaker 1: that means we should never open a cold case. Well, look,

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01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:54,439
Speaker 1: I'm not that's not what I said. What I said

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01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:57,080
Speaker 1: was the President made a determination because it's the Department

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01:37:57,120 --> 01:37:59,080
Speaker 1: of Justice that would have to bring any action against

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton. Remember an Obama didn't give her a pardon.

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01:38:01,720 --> 01:38:04,519
Speaker 1: There's no pardon there, so it would be the president

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01:38:04,600 --> 01:38:07,880
Speaker 1: making the determination whether he would proceed with prosecution. He

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01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:10,760
Speaker 1: decided not to do that, and he decided not to

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01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:13,200
Speaker 1: do that because he wants to look forward. There's enough

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01:38:13,240 --> 01:38:15,320
Speaker 1: on the plate for the country. It is not fair

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01:38:15,400 --> 01:38:17,280
Speaker 1: to those marines, it's not fair to other people that

1791
01:38:17,360 --> 01:38:23,040
Speaker 1: have had horrible real sentences for doing violations and this look,

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01:38:23,080 --> 01:38:25,400
Speaker 1: you you disclose classes. We talked about that with Colonel Smith.

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01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:28,760
Speaker 1: You you disclose classified information. Guess what you're held accountable.

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01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:32,560
Speaker 1: She wasn't in the criminal sense, she was in the

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01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:34,680
Speaker 1: political sense. I don't know if that's a sense. I

1796
01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:36,519
Speaker 1: don't know if that's solace for anybody. But that's the

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01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:38,920
Speaker 1: way the laws and the president and the Department of

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01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:41,240
Speaker 1: Justice would have to initiate this. And I just don't

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Speaker 1: think they're gonna do it. I think there, as I said,

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Speaker 1: I think they're looking forward. Steve Utah, you're on the

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Speaker 1: air on the Sean Hannity Show. Go ahead, Jay, you

1802
01:38:48,280 --> 01:38:49,960
Speaker 1: have done stuff. I want to be like you when

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01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:52,880
Speaker 1: I grow up. Well, then you'll be an old guy,

1804
01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:55,800
Speaker 1: because I'm I'm turned sixty. I'm almost sixty one. Actually

1805
01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:58,080
Speaker 1: I should say that very clearly. But then you can

1806
01:38:58,160 --> 01:39:00,519
Speaker 1: to have grandchildren. It's a great thing, and I've got

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01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:04,800
Speaker 1: four of them. Hey, So so here's the deal. First

1808
01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:06,800
Speaker 1: of all, I'm one of the newly underemployee who did

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01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:09,000
Speaker 1: not get to keep his doctor or planned as counted

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01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:14,240
Speaker 1: as a success by the Obamatiah uh let's see. Secondly,

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Speaker 1: Maxine Waters on the scumback Thine. Yeah, um, she's got

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Speaker 1: street cred on that. She may be believable because back

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01:39:21,800 --> 01:39:23,360
Speaker 1: and then, I think it was two thousand and twelve,

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01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:26,080
Speaker 1: there's a New York poster, New York Times article on

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01:39:26,200 --> 01:39:29,280
Speaker 1: this at that time, a few years before that. Let

1816
01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:31,200
Speaker 1: me tell you what that that is. This this political

1817
01:39:31,240 --> 01:39:33,479
Speaker 1: grandstanding and calling names. Let me tell you who does

1818
01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:37,400
Speaker 1: not help anybody in the body politic. I don't believe

1819
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:41,400
Speaker 1: that helps anybody. I think that we've got to be

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01:39:41,560 --> 01:39:45,640
Speaker 1: clear that kind of language, that kind of discussed. I mean,

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01:39:45,680 --> 01:39:48,240
Speaker 1: it's a free country. Maxine Waters can say whatever she wants,

1822
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Speaker 1: but that's just not the way it's supposed to be

1823
01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:53,000
Speaker 1: in the United States of America. I'm Jay Seculo. I

1824
01:39:53,120 --> 01:39:55,759
Speaker 1: am been sitting in for Sean Hannity. What a pleasure

1825
01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:57,519
Speaker 1: it has been to do this. We've got more ahead,

1826
01:39:57,560 --> 01:39:59,760
Speaker 1: but I want to tell you something. This has been

1827
01:39:59,800 --> 01:40:01,200
Speaker 1: an honor for me to sit in for my friend

1828
01:40:01,200 --> 01:40:04,160
Speaker 1: Shawn Hannay after minutes. Respect for Shawn and the entire

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01:40:04,200 --> 01:40:08,120
Speaker 1: team that produces great radio broadcast every day. So it's

1830
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:09,479
Speaker 1: been a pleasure for me to sit. Now I've got

1831
01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:10,920
Speaker 1: more to talk about when we come back from the

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Speaker 1: break again one Sean. I'm Jay Sekulo a c l

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Speaker 1: J dot org or at Jay Sekulo and again you

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01:40:17,280 --> 01:40:19,760
Speaker 1: could follow us on Twitter or Facebook. We'll be back

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Speaker 1: with more, including some more closing comments in just a

1836
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Speaker 1: few minutes. Yes, you shoul where I'm Sean's got more

1837
01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:43,520
Speaker 1: behind the scenes in for ration, more contacts than anybody

1838
01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:48,200
Speaker 1: what more friends behind the church. Sean Hannty is on

1839
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:14,960
Speaker 1: Everybody's Jay secularent for Sean Hanny. Let me thank Sean

1840
01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:17,400
Speaker 1: for this opportunity to come to you today on the broadcast.

1841
01:41:17,479 --> 01:41:19,439
Speaker 1: I have been a fan and have been pleased to

1842
01:41:19,479 --> 01:41:21,040
Speaker 1: be a guest so many times on this broadcast. I

1843
01:41:21,080 --> 01:41:23,720
Speaker 1: want to thank Sean, Thank Linda, I think Linda for

1844
01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:25,519
Speaker 1: playing some of that Jay Secular Band music. You can

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01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:27,760
Speaker 1: follow that by the way in Facebook. Ja Secular Band

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Speaker 1: follow me at Facebook as well and at Jay Sekulo

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01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:34,640
Speaker 1: on Twitter. And again, our thoughts and prayers for the

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01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:38,559
Speaker 1: Alan Comb's family and the loss of him. I lost

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01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:40,920
Speaker 1: to our country of an advocate for free speech. Like

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01:41:41,000 --> 01:41:43,680
Speaker 1: I said, didn't always a grist agree politically, but he

1851
01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:46,280
Speaker 1: was a great guy and we sorely missed Thanks for

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01:41:46,360 --> 01:42:00,840
Speaker 1: having me, Thanks for listening to Sean Hanny program, Come

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