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Speaker 1: It's Vanessa Marshall, the voice of Harrison Doula, Specter two,

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Speaker 3: Hi, it's Taser Car Sabine run Specter five.

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Speaker 5: Hey, I'm John Ley Brody, the Nonspector, full on moderator,

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Speaker 5: and today we are talking about season one, episode thirteen,

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Speaker 5: Call to Action. Here we go, how's everybody doing? Little

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Speaker 5: also for our listeners too. We love everybody, We love

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Speaker 1: Yeah as well? Yeah, how are you doing? John? We

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Speaker 1: know that, John, Thank you. I feel so seen good.

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Speaker 5: And you know, it's really fun again I say this

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Speaker 5: the next couple episodes are coing over have a lot

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Speaker 5: I appreciate that, my pleasure. All right, So with that said,

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Speaker 5: goes from there, all right. Season one, episode thirteen, called

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Speaker 5: Action Original air day, January twenty sixth, twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Here comes the recap.

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Speaker 5: The Ghost CRU's latest actions have gained so much attention

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Speaker 5: It's been more than ten years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like watching this episode felt so much more. Okay,

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Speaker 4: But you don't have to only be born to a

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Speaker 5: Because I think that would be a really cool breakdown

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Speaker 4: I don't want to keep going in this sort of

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Speaker 4: If genuinely, if it works in that way, I get

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Speaker 1: Then, well she's a Mandalorian. I mean, my god, how

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Speaker 4: Can you Mandalorian? And uh Jedi?

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Speaker 1: Why not.

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Speaker 4: You know this?

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Speaker 5: This is raising so many interesting like philosophical questions too,

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Speaker 1: We might need to have j C come in like

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Speaker 5: Stick around, but uh, one more question for JC is

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Speaker 5: there such thing? It's like a like a synthetic midi

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Speaker 4: So that's the new trilogy that I M. Kimberg's working on.

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Speaker 5: That's and it's gonna have its own thirty for thirty

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Speaker 5: the Cathalon, the Jedi Games. It's all about the Jedi pds.

434
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 5: This whole episode had a very like Empire Strikes Back

435
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 5: sort of vibe. Uh you know which which next week's

436
00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,479
Speaker 5: episode does two which which which we'll get into when

437
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 5: we get there. And the big thing that prompted the

438
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 5: one of the things that prompted the Empire strikes Back

439
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 5: thing was the pro Droid because the first time I

440
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 5: saw the pro dui Empire strikes Back. I'm throwing this

441
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,239
Speaker 5: to JC because I know j C will know the

442
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 5: origins of this pro Droid. He probably JC is probably

443
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:03,119
Speaker 5: fluent in the pro droid lineguage, but that distinct I

444
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,359
Speaker 5: was like, oh my god, Like it just took me

445
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 5: back to that place. And then the arc of which

446
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 5: this episode took was very Empire strikes back instead a Han,

447
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,960
Speaker 5: it's Kanaan that gets left behind and now it's up

448
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 5: to the rest of the crew to hopefully get his rescue.

449
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 5: So Jas pro Droid and Midiclorians.

450
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, the music really harkened back to those original devastating

451
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:30,199
Speaker 1: moments in the movies. I felt like it really cashed

452
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 1: in on that sound that that that music just takes

453
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:34,640
Speaker 1: us right to those stakes.

454
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 3: You know.

455
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 1: It was really I don't want to use the word

456
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 1: triggering because that can be negative, but like I was

457
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: in the second I mean I was like, who is this?

458
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: Is this Palpatine? Oh it's Tarkan, you know, like who

459
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: is you know the the opening with the destroyer ship

460
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 1: coming in, I was like, wait, is this Vader? I

461
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 1: don't remember what's happening. I know, I was like, is

462
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 1: Vader about you arrived? Because I didn't remember this episode

463
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 1: at all, but really ominous, Yeah, really very scary.

464
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 3: Also, the hologram of the Ghost Crew when he puts

465
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 3: us on blast, I'm like, we look so badass.

466
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: You were like sick. Yeah.

467
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, do you want people to think

468
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 3: we're bad guys and help us get caught or do

469
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 3: you want to make us look like the coolest crew

470
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 3: in the galaxy and make like little kids want to

471
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 3: grow up to be us? Because I'm thinking the latter

472
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 3: is more likely.

473
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 4: It's like, it's like the jail photos person so tracking

474
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 4: to get out after three months and now you signed

475
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 4: a wim.

476
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: Dancing with the stars and everything. Convict. No, what was

477
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: saying hot convict?

478
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 3: I think anyway, Yeah, that we were we were hot

479
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 3: convicts in that hologram.

480
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: I was very I was like, okay, I know, I

481
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: was thinking I want to get I want a copy

482
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 1: of that. I know I want to shirt. We don't

483
00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 1: have some.

484
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 3: I've never seen that image in anything else.

485
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: But I think I've seen that. I've seen Hara in

486
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: that position where she's sort of running somewhere else before,

487
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 1: but I don't I'd like that. That's like a cutout

488
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 1: sticker collection.

489
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 3: An you mean, if anyone listening knows of like that

490
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 3: image existing somewhere, whether it's like an art print or

491
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 3: merch or something.

492
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: Would you let us.

493
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 3: Know because I'm I'm I'm I want something with that

494
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 3: holagram image of us, and.

495
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 5: We'll bring you on the show to present it. How

496
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 5: about that actually incentive because we do want to bring

497
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 5: some fans on the show. So something I want to

498
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 5: bring up too, because we're talking about how this hits

499
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 5: way different when you know how it all ends up

500
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 5: when we get to the end of the seventy seventy

501
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 5: seven is episodes Agent Callus, because we know where that

502
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 5: ends up. Ultimately, his reaction when the Inquisitor kills those

503
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 5: two troopers, you start to see the beginning of maybe

504
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 5: I've joined the wrong side.

505
00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 1: Yes, that was so interesting. His facial expression and his

506
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: eyes didn't his eyes seem so profoundly sharp? I felt

507
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: like I saw into his soul. It was more it

508
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 1: was the animation was more soulful somehow. I don't know

509
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: that the glimmer they're like a hazel color. It was

510
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: so powerful as compared to the inquisitors are sort of

511
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: like yellow and catlike.

512
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 4: But was he not already He's not already a double

513
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 4: agent at this point?

514
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 1: I don't wait, wait kidding, I think ye when is

515
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 1: that revealed? Right, that's like a season you siled it

516
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 1: for me.

517
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's like.

518
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: A season three thing.

519
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 8: Yet.

520
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 5: Okay, but it's you know again, like it makes me

521
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 5: really appreciate the road mapping of this entire series because

522
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 5: it's very like Dan Fogelman is one of the best

523
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 5: to do it. Like when you watch this A is Us,

524
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 5: you see there was a clear plan of where to

525
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 5: take these just when you watch Paradise, a clear plan

526
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 5: of where these characters are going.

527
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 1: It's along those lines with this.

528
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 5: When I'm rewatching, I'm like, oh my god, like all

529
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 5: the seeds were clearly planted. Or even Canaan's sacrifice line

530
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 5: if you know anything about writing, like, okay, he's going

531
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 5: to do something in this episode. He's probably going to

532
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 5: get captured. You don't know that this is going to

533
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 5: be an even bigger, bigger, bigger thing wait on the line.

534
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 5: And even Ezra's speech at the end, because as we know,

535
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 5: a word ends up with Ezra. He has this amazing speech.

536
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 5: You know, I know the spoileringer. This whole episode is

537
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 5: spoiler alerts. It's it makes me appreciate so much more,

538
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 5: Like you know, like in procedurals they had, like the

539
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 5: red yarn that connects everything, like there's a clear roadmap

540
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 5: that took us to where we're supposed to go, and

541
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 5: everything was almost there in plain sight, but we had

542
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 5: to earn it in order to get there, you know.

543
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: I think it's also this show also does stuff about

544
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 1: sort of healing your past, not living at the affect

545
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: of your past. Ezra is afraid he's going to lose

546
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: his new family like he lost the last one. And

547
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 1: believe me, there are plenty of terrifying things going on

548
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: in the world that would make anyone just get in

549
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: bed and never get out ever again. But he transforms

550
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: the experience by finding his voice, by being the one

551
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: who makes this speech. And in a way, obviously, I

552
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 1: know we lose Canaan and his worst fears come true

553
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: to a certain extent, but I feel like in that moment,

554
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: it's almost like when therapists tell you to go back

555
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 1: to that time and reimagine it or whatever, that there

556
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: is something very magical that does indeed happen with him

557
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: doing exactly what his parents wants did, which is speaking

558
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: truth to power and helping people that it was more

559
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: important to give people hope and unify them than it

560
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: was to live at the affect of his trauma.

561
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, that end sequence was really I mean not just emotional,

562
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 3: but like inspiring, especially again without getting into specifics with

563
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 3: like kind of the climate that we're living in. I

564
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 3: don't mean, I mean sure, I also mean climate that

565
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 3: like sort of a sociopolo appliment that we're living in.

566
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 3: You know, this idea of like personal sacrifice for the

567
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 3: greater good, uh is really inspirational. And uh Ezra's speech

568
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 3: and just the imagery juxtaposed it was like got me good.

569
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 4: Yeah. And and like the communications tower, making that such

570
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 4: a sort of central attack point for multiple sides of

571
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 4: this sort of war is very apropos interesting. Yeah, I'm

572
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 4: attacking it and taking it over all of that it's

573
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, they touched on.

574
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 3: It, and it's so interesting. Sorry, now I'm like, stop

575
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 3: me before I get to go down this. But and

576
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 3: maybe this is I don't want to jump ahead to

577
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 3: the next episode, but I think maybe this is touched

578
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 3: on in the next episode. But it's like the the

579
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 3: empire is who destroyed the communications tower, but then to

580
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 3: the public eye they are led to believe or allowed

581
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 3: to believe or encouraged to believe that the rebel cell

582
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 3: is the one that was responsible for destroying the South

583
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 3: the communications tower. How interesting that like propaganda and you

584
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 3: know what what we what they want us to know

585
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 3: or believe, and how easy it is for that information

586
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 3: to be proliferated.

587
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 5: You know, great commentary on the power of media and

588
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 5: how they can work both ways totally and how false

589
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 5: information and this is out there, like false information travels

590
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 5: exponentially faster than actual information, you know, actual factual stuff.

591
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 5: We know this, it's out there. This isn't groundbreaking news.

592
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 5: But this was such a great and it was such

593
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 5: a great way to put that on its head with

594
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 5: one as was message getting out through the citizens where

595
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 5: it's it gave them permission to have hope. Where the

596
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 5: reason why the rebels are such heroes is they didn't

597
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 5: wait for permission, like we're gonna take this upon ourselves,

598
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 5: because if we wait for someone to give us permission

599
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 5: to be rebels, we would never been rebels. And that's

600
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 5: why that's the difference maker. But you being that catalyst

601
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 5: with others, and that's going to spark something in them

602
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 5: to say, oh yeah, like we can do this this

603
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 5: is something that's innate. This is something we just got awaken.

604
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 5: And when I hear Ezra's lineup, do you think anybody heard?

605
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 5: Which is a valid worry. It reminded me of that

606
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 5: whole conundrum of if a tree falls in the woods

607
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 5: and nobody's around, doesn't make a noise, and the general answers, well, no,

608
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 5: because no one's around, sound can't exist. And my whole

609
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 5: take on that was always and I remember I brought

610
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 5: this up in like philosophy classes, what about what the

611
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 5: tree thinks?

612
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: Preside? What do you mean?

613
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 5: I'm like, well, if I'm that tree, and I felt,

614
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 5: I know I made a noise. I don't care if

615
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 5: other people around, like I know I made a noise. Yeah,

616
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 5: you can't say that the noise didn't exist. And I

617
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 5: felt like that was ultimately a lesson that was going

618
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 5: to get to Azra. It's like, hey, you got to

619
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 5: say what you got to say. Whoever hears it, here's it,

620
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 5: but you got to make sure it starts here, and

621
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 5: then whoever jumps on jumps on. So it's a lot

622
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 5: of powerful messages.

623
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 4: And that's the whole Cartesian George Berkeley philosophical thing is

624
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 4: dick Cart said I think therefore I am, so he exists,

625
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 4: and then George Berkeley came along one hundred years later

626
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 4: and said, I am perceived, therefore exists. Mean it's not perceived.

627
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 4: You could say I'm the kindest person in the world,

628
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 4: but you could be like, he's not. Then I'm not.

629
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 4: No matter, Okay, a look, chill.

630
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: That was unintentional.

631
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 4: But but yeah, it's that whole thing, and the fact

632
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 4: that it is brought up in this type of story

633
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 4: is so cool. But I had an issue with Mandalorian here.

634
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: This is it?

635
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 4: No, this would be in I'm sure it's an other

636
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 4: things when they're hiding Canaan, Ezra and Sabine flip the

637
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 4: thing down because like, if I was wearing a hat

638
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 4: and I was hiding with you guys over an edge,

639
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 4: I would take my hat off and I'm like, yo,

640
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,479
Speaker 4: she brings it down to look through it, flip it

641
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 4: all the way back because it's sticking up, like literally

642
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 4: saying look here. And I'm like, do all Mandalorians do

643
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 4: you like a tactical, amazing, amazing tactician. I'm like, come

644
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 4: on that one, fell I want.

645
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 3: To defend myself or defend Sabine, But I don't really

646
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 3: have a good defense there Is it serving a function

647
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 3: by being up like that? Is there some other jaz

648
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 3: Is there some justification for this?

649
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: Can you help me out? It's right here. I'm just saying,

650
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: like my student, like, does it need to maybe it

651
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: needs to pick stuff up, That's what.

652
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like, maybe it's tell me when it flips down,

653
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,479
Speaker 4: and she's like in the scene, looks through it. It's working,

654
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 4: so clearly it works when.

655
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,240
Speaker 3: It's maybe there's a solar panel on the under side.

656
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: So when it's not, George.

657
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 4: Don't charge you while we're about to get killed.

658
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,919
Speaker 3: I'm going to need your help, okay, because I don't

659
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 3: have any I got nothing right now.

660
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 4: It's not on you, it's on you. I'm just like

661
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 4: through all Mandalorians, I think it's yeah.

662
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 3: Fair question. I don't like it, but it's a fair question.

663
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 3: Also not to put you on blast. Not put you

664
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 3: on blast. But I thought that your your performance was

665
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 3: really wonderful at the end when you're delivering the message

666
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 3: to the masses, and it's like it's so perfectly it's

667
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 3: perfectly Ezra and it's perfectly tailor, which I guess we've

668
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 3: come to, you know, those are kind of one and

669
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 3: the same, but like it's not heavy handed.

670
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: It's not like Sacharine and.

671
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 3: Overly sort of like pushing, you know, kind of beating

672
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 3: us over the head.

673
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: With a hammer.

674
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 3: It's just like it's so perfectly Ezra, but it's really

675
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 3: also like deeply emotional.

676
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: That was I said a.

677
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 4: Nice thank you, thank you, thank you. I thought there

678
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 4: was a butt coming back. No, that was thank you. Yeah.

679
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 4: I enjoyed it. I thought it was really cool, and

680
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 4: they was really good about that with us, like allowing

681
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 4: because that's my own personal thing. I love a message

682
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 4: more than anything you guys have. But I also think

683
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 4: the way you say it is so important. I think

684
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 4: a lot of messages are lost nowadays all the time.

685
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 4: Even some of my friends. I'm like, oh, I get

686
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 4: what you're getting at, but like, yeah, okay, cool, it's

687
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 4: so poignant to you, isn't it. Like we can also

688
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 4: how it is delivered matters. But then there's also the

689
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 4: thing which I probably run sometimes where it's you're almost

690
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 4: too Cavali with non shalant. But I'm like, well, no,

691
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 4: listen to what's being said. But my mom growing up

692
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 4: us to always be like, yeah, but it's how you're

693
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 4: saying it. Well.

694
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 5: Also, the other thing is it sounds like, because Ezra

695
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 5: is an old soul and a tailor, I always felt

696
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 5: that you were an old soul as well. It sounds

697
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 5: like something a fourteen year old who is an old

698
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 5: soul would say. Where sometimes and a lot of these

699
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 5: show sometimes you'll get shows where whether it's a teen

700
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 5: drama or whatever, they're giving them this really sophisticated dialogue.

701
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 5: And not that Ezra's not not that as in cable

702
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 5: having sophisticated dialogue, but it was sophisticated. But it wasn't

703
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 5: like he wasn't trying to use big sat words or anything.

704
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 5: It was just very sincere and truthful. And what really

705
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 5: came from Ezra some of the brain of a fourteen

706
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 5: year old who had to grow up very very fast,

707
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 5: who was also growing up in this episode, like literally

708
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 5: like he went from somebody's like whatever, I'll steal yogan fruit,

709
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 5: I don't care to really caring about tomorrow, which I

710
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 5: don't think that was a priority for Ezra before. And

711
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 5: I just love that talk with Jim Canaan and Ezra

712
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 5: so much. It reminded me of like Rocky three, Like Rocky.

713
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 5: There's this part in Rocky three where Rocky's talking to

714
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 5: Adrian because he doesn't want to fight Clever Lang. He's like,

715
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 5: look at it. Before, when I was a fighter, I

716
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 5: didn't have a family, I didn't have all this, and

717
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 5: now I'm scared of losing it. So I'm afraid of

718
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 5: losing and where. And then the flip side of that

719
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 5: is Canaan's talking about sacrifice not letting the fear of

720
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 5: failure get to you, which again we've talked about life

721
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 5: lessons on rebels, that's a great one. But when he says,

722
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 5: I didn't understand it what my master told me, but

723
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 5: I think I understand now, and I felt like that's

724
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 5: something we can all take with us as kids. At

725
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 5: least when I was a kid, I assumed every adult

726
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 5: had all the answers. I assume my teacher knew everything.

727
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 5: It's only when you get older you realize adults are

728
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 5: trying to figure stuff out like anybody else. You realize

729
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 5: teachers are trying to figure it out, and parents there's

730
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 5: no you know, they're trying to figure it out. There's

731
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 5: no instruction manual. Oh yeah, this is step one, step

732
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 5: two and that's so powerful right there.

733
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: But he doesn't say it like that.

734
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 5: He's like, I understand it now, And you realize Ezra's

735
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 5: going to understand it too, and it probably has to

736
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 5: get there quicker because he's growing up very fast.

737
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: I forgot I had wrote this down that you, Ezra,

738
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: without any bidding from Canaan, your Jedi master whatever, that

739
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: you immediately keyed into the loft cat. And that to

740
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: me was much like we lose Canaan later. You have

741
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: a whole thing with Pergols like whatever. That connection that

742
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: you have with animals is is profound and a life

743
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,439
Speaker 1: saver for all of us. And this, I mean, you've

744
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: connected with animals before, but this in particular, to me,

745
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: was foreshadowing where your character is going in terms of

746
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: how you use the force to have other animals come right. Well,

747
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 1: didn't I guess that happened with the myn ox as well. Yeah,

748
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: I just like, yeah, exactly, A fur knocks, that's it. Sorry, Yeah,

749
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: I need more coffee.

750
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 5: But we all need we need a coffee sponsor. So

751
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 5: if anyone's out there, let's go. We'll gladly do all

752
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 5: the ad reads for you.

753
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I thought that was another cool example of

754
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: where your character is heading, and it was adorable.

755
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, the nature versus using nature against uh the Empire?

756
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jedi doctor Doolittle.

757
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 4: I mean I've got another hot take. I've got it.

758
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 5: Let's do it, not take and then I think we

759
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 5: can take that right into jac So I think that may.

760
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 4: Feeling take brought.

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Speaker 5: To you by coffee sponsor here. So just let let

762
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 5: you all know.

763
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 4: Why do we all understand Chopper? And Chopper understands all

764
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 4: of us and we all speak English, but then won't

765
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 4: speak English for the sake of Is it like, why

766
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 4: won't the droid speak English so that everyone else can

767
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 4: understand watching the show? But we understand him and he

768
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 4: understands us. We're speaking in English to.

769
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: Him, But not everybody understands Chopper?

770
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 4: Right, it seems like it.

771
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 3: No, Sorry, I don't mean every member of the Ghost

772
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 3: Crew understands Chopper?

773
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:06,959
Speaker 1: Is that right?

774
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 2: Does Zeb?

775
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: Does Zeb always understand.

776
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 4: That bicker back and forth? Yeah?

777
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 3: Okay, true, But don't other people that are not part

778
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 3: of the Ghost Crew not understand? Aren't there times I

779
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 3: might be wrong? But aren't there times where someone's like,

780
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 3: what did he say? Or they don't understand. But you

781
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 3: know one of us is like, oh, he doesn't like

782
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 3: your you know, doesn't like the cut of your GiB or.

783
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 4: Whatever, Like, how do I understand a draw like I've

784
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 4: I've never been in space, I don't know anything. How

785
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 4: do I understand destroyed? And it's like, we have the

786
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 4: technology to build lightsabers, have transports move without wheels. We

787
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 4: can't have him speak English.

788
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: You you might oh, you're here's the things.

789
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 4: Off a lot of Star Wars. Fancy that's I mean

790
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 4: same with artis. I'm like, dude, I was just gonna

791
00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 4: understand English. You understand English? Why not? We have the

792
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 4: craziest technology in the galaxy. You could translate that for fans.

793
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 4: I think it's story.

794
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 3: What you're saying is you think everyone should speak English?

795
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: Is that what I'm well, you said, no.

796
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 4: Like aqualition all that I understand that to be if

797
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 4: we were speaking to him in Droid, that I would

798
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 4: be like fair, But we're saying it in English, and

799
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 4: then he's it'd be like if we were going back

800
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 4: and forth in two different languages, but we're understanding each other.

801
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 3: It's like having a pet, right Like I was just

802
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 3: gonna my pet and yeah, but I call it.

803
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: Look, here's the thing. R two D two establish this

804
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: as a thing, and we can get the sense all

805
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: he's bummed out, you know, or whatever it is. I

806
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: couldn't possibly Why doesn't anyone tell me anything?

807
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 8: You know?

808
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 1: C three po with this incessant chatter. But Dave always

809
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: said that R two was a dog and Chopper is

810
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: a cat, and so your cat is like like, you

811
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: don't know exactly which nouns and verbs were expressed with that,

812
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: but you get you get the But I understand what

813
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: you're saying. But I think we we forgive all that

814
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: because of what has been established with R two as

815
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: a dog. That you know, when Benji barks, like, we

816
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: get that the kid is in the well and needs

817
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 1: to be rescued. Now did he actually say that?

818
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 3: No?

819
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: Do we respond to Benji?

820
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 4: No?

821
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 6: You know, we don't.

822
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: We don't speak dog, but we managed to communicate with

823
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: feelings conveyed as opposed to.

824
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 6: I like you.

825
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 4: I like you. But C three po is speaking English

826
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 4: completely fine, and R two could I know I'm gonna

827
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 4: piss some people up, But no, we don't give like

828
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 4: I get it with dogs. I have a dog, and

829
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,919
Speaker 4: I'm like my dog understands everything I'm saying. I person

830
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 4: understand what my dog's barking, like, yeah, it's our cat

831
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 4: out the window, whatever it was. But I wouldn't give

832
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 4: my dog war missions and be like, go do this

833
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 4: and this and this and believe that they're going to

834
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 4: follow it. Where we tell Chopper I have a whole

835
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 4: plan that I don't tell Harah, and I'm like, Chopper,

836
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 4: you're going to do this and this. That's not like, oh,

837
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 4: like a little bit of communication. We're full on. While

838
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 4: I was watching, I was like, what he understands all

839
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 4: of this, then just say, okay back to me, JC,

840
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 4: we need you.

841
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, flag on the field. JC.

842
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 5: It's like in Grandma's when Billy has the Maguay. He's

843
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 5: not going to speak magway back to him. And since

844
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 5: we've been very philosophical this episode, all I'll leave it

845
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 5: on this note and then Taylor, you have a rebuttal

846
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,479
Speaker 5: by all means, and then we can lead into fact check.

847
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 5: You know, the thing the old man told Billy, He's like,

848
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 5: you know, in order to understand, one only has to listen.

849
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 5: And you know, when you really think about that, it's

850
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 5: like language. You know it transcends verbal speech because we

851
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 5: have asl we have all these So I just think, look,

852
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 5: when Gizmo talked to Billy, Billy knew what he was

853
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 5: saying and he could say back to Gizmo, Gizmo understood.

854
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 5: I think that's just enough. But with that said, I

855
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 5: think let's just go to fact check to JC and

856
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 5: he can clear everything up and tell us all that

857
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 5: we're wrong and we can have off so.

858
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 1: Check.

859
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 4: All right, we give you a lot.

860
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 6: Here we go, buckle up.

861
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 8: So also, to start this out, there was a whole

862
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 8: lot of conversation going that I was trying to type

863
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 8: notes in for so if I don't cover something, please

864
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 8: let's have a conversation back and forth, particularly about the

865
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 8: nature of Jedi. But before we get there, at one point, Taylor,

866
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 8: you mentioned Grand mov Tarkan's hierarchy in the Empire. Tarkan

867
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 8: was the first Grand Moth. Moth is kind of like

868
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 8: a governor of a planet or a system. He was

869
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 8: the first grand Moth. He saw all the outer Rim territories,

870
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 8: and then when he took over the Death Star project

871
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 8: from Krenick, which we saw in Rogue one, that kind

872
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 8: of made him the de facto third in charge of

873
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 8: the empire behind the Emperor and Darth Vader also, and

874
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 8: I could be wrong, and this may have been decanonized,

875
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 8: but there was in the time of like rebels and

876
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 8: a new hope, Darth Vader wasn't like a big public figure.

877
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 8: He was kind of like you know that like Cia

878
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 8: Operative that maybe people have heard about, But he wasn't

879
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 8: like the face of the empire the way that Palpatine

880
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 8: was in things. He was kind of a shadow figure

881
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 8: for a long time. Now they may have decanonized that,

882
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 8: but that was the vibe originally, So that might explain

883
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 8: some of kind of like Tarkan's like rise there. He's ambitious,

884
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 8: he's working his way up at this point in the timeline.

885
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 6: The lighting and rebels.

886
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 8: You guys talked about the lighting and rebels, and Taylor particularly,

887
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 8: you were like, oh my gosh, I remember in season

888
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 8: three for it was so dynamic. Part of the reason

889
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 8: for that, I believe I've heard Joel Aaron talk about

890
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 8: this is when you're starting a show and there's only

891
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 8: so much money. You are building the Ezra model, you

892
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 8: are building the Lothal terrain and things like that, and

893
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 8: then by season two you get another chunk of money,

894
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 8: you can make those things better because you're not scratch

895
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:29,720
Speaker 8: building everything. And so what I think you see throughout

896
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 8: Clone Wars and then again throughout Rebels Rebels is kind

897
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 8: of wiping the slate clean. We're only thirteen episodes into

898
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 8: the production of this. By the time we hit episode fifty,

899
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 8: they've been able to devote so many more financial resources

900
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 8: to the lighting and the texturing and all of those

901
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 8: sorts of things, which is why you see animation grow

902
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 8: season by season. Okay, the Jedi, this is fourteen years approximately,

903
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 8: is John said after Order sixty six, And what you

904
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 8: have here is a decade plus of rewriting history. And

905
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 8: one of the things that somebody brought up at some

906
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 8: point is that there's no paper in Star Wars. Right

907
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 8: up until the last Jedi, there's no paper. So if

908
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 8: there's nothing that is physically written down in Star Wars,

909
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 8: history disappears very easily, and things are able to be

910
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 8: changed very easily. You can't go to a textbook that

911
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 8: was written in you know, zero BC, you know, at

912
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 8: the as time begins, and reference it and see how

913
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 8: it's been reinterpreted over time. There is no paper, So

914
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 8: if the Empire controls everything, the hole in it and everything.

915
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,959
Speaker 8: You have fourteen years of misinformation, You have fourteen years

916
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,399
Speaker 8: of saying, yeah, you all thought that Jedi was this,

917
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,720
Speaker 8: but it wasn't. It was all magic tricks. They weren't real.

918
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 6: It was it was a cult.

919
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 8: It wasn't a thing they were you know, they were

920
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 8: putting out things like Ghostbusters, right and Walter Peck like

921
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 8: this is a light show. Their ghosts don't actually exist.

922
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 8: So the Empire has waged a war against history from

923
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 8: the moment they took over, which is why you have

924
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 8: all of these people who are who doubt the existence

925
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 8: of the Jedi. Think about Han Solo, like Jedi whatever,

926
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 8: and Han was alive when the Jedi were going. He

927
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 8: was a young young boy, you know. And if you

928
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,959
Speaker 8: want to contextualize it with you know today, I mean,

929
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 8: but like, look at the way people feel about vat

930
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 8: scenes today ten fifteen years on. You know, look at

931
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 8: the way that people trust in institutions today versus twenty

932
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 8: years ago. And when you look at at at things

933
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 8: like that Holocaust deniers right where you're like, wow, my god,

934
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 8: in nineteen sixty nobody would deny that. But now, thanks

935
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 8: to YouTube, and things like that. It grows and spreads.

936
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 6: And so.

937
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 8: Why do people not believe that the Jedi was a thing.

938
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 8: Well because for fifteen years, for a generation, they've been

939
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 8: told that their memories are wrong, and they start to

940
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 8: believe it.

941
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 6: Let's see Jedi versus Sith.

942
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 8: People are continually born who have Metichlorians who have the

943
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 8: sensitivity to tap into the force. But you need to

944
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 8: be taught how to access the force. There are millions

945
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 8: of people throughout the galaxy who have that ability. And

946
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 8: as Vanessa touched on, if you don't have somebody who

947
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 8: can go in and teach you how to harness that ability,

948
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 8: you're not going to be able to lift things with

949
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 8: your mind or flypod racers or things like that the

950
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 8: way you should. Okay, Taylor's raising his hand.

951
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 4: Question from the back of the class, But then, chicken

952
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 4: or the egg? How did the first Jedi without a teacher?

953
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 4: Who was that?

954
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,919
Speaker 8: Well, it would be somebody, It would be a philosopher, right,

955
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 8: it would be somebody like Vanessa mentioned. Akdo Right. Akdo

956
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 8: is a relatively new martial art that was developed in

957
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 8: the twentieth century. And where did he how did he

958
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 8: develop that? How did the person who developed taekwondo or kendo. Right,

959
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 8: this is somebody who has or Bruce Lee even who

960
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 8: developed his own martial arts system. It's that sort of

961
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:46,399
Speaker 8: a thing.

962
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 5: Technically, g Kundo isn't a martial art. It's a philosophy.

963
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 5: Just want to make sure because I'm friends of the

964
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 5: Lee family, Just want to make sure that's cleared up.

965
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 8: Plays into plays into even more what I'm saying right

966
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 8: where philosophically you fall into this mindset and you start

967
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 8: to discover physical abilities. As your mind changes, is the

968
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 8: way you approach the world changes, you start to discover things.

969
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:12,439
Speaker 8: I've read a lot of books on akdo and there

970
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 8: are anecdotally you know, he fought in the war and

971
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 8: they were saying that he could almost dodge bullets, the

972
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 8: founder of a kedo just based on his mindset and

973
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 8: the way he saw the world, which again it's anecdotal,

974
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 8: and perhaps it's you know, meant to convey a bigger

975
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 8: picture and it's not to be taken literally. But you know,

976
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 8: the note I made is that somebody who has forced

977
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 8: sensitivity is like a giant slab of marble, and you

978
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 8: need somebody to come in with a chisel and hammer

979
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 8: it out and refine it until you get Michelangelo's David

980
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 8: or the Trevy Fountain or.

981
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 6: One of these great works of art. That a jedi is.

982
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 8: So Yeah, of course, there's tons of people who have

983
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 8: the ability to use the force, but nobody knows how

984
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 8: to do it. The other way you could look at

985
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 8: it is like an athlete, right, Like an athlete is

986
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 8: born with talent, like Lebron James Kobe Bryant. Kobe Bryant

987
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 8: may have been the most talented basketball player, but he

988
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 8: also works so hard to refine that talent to come

989
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 8: up in big moments, all of those things. And that's

990
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 8: what Jedi training is. Jedi training is the practice. Jedi

991
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 8: training is learning how to, how to and when to

992
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 8: take the jump shot versus drive to the who, versus

993
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 8: past to your your teammate. The word jedi, I think

994
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 8: there's a definition here, the way that I define jedi.

995
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 8: And perhaps it could be wrong, but I believe that

996
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 8: jedi is like being knighted, like a night of the

997
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 8: round Table. It doesn't mean ability to use the force.

998
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 6: You know, a Jedi is an earned title. Midichlorians.

999
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 8: Controversially, I thought Mediclorians was a cool concept. The reason

1000
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 8: I thought it was and everybody said, oh, it makes

1001
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 8: it scientific instead of faith based or whatever. I thought

1002
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 8: it was cool because all it is saying is the

1003
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 8: potential to access that energy. Again, like a basketball player,

1004
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 8: somebody may be born who has significantly more talent on

1005
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 8: a football field or to hit a baseball than somebody else.

1006
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 8: That doesn't mean they're going to be the greatest player

1007
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 8: in that arena. It just means that their potential is higher.

1008
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 8: And I always thought that that's what midichlorians was is

1009
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 8: it was something that is in your blood that allows

1010
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 8: you to rise to that occasion. And everybody has mediclorians,

1011
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 8: right obi Wan Kenobi talks about it's an energy field

1012
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 8: life creates, it makes it grow.

1013
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 6: That was Yoda. Sorry misquoted obi Wan.

1014
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 8: But but everybody has it. But it's your ability to

1015
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 8: tap into that energy field is your midichlorian count. So

1016
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 8: I don't think from a certain point of view, it

1017
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 8: actually changed the nature of the forest in any way.

1018
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,959
Speaker 8: It just gave us an avenue to understand why Obi

1019
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 8: Wan Kenobi and Luke Skywalker could move things with their

1020
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 8: mind and Hans so looka not.

1021
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: Tiya Hi, thanks for taking the question.

1022
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 3: So all of that is fascinating, But my question for

1023
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 3: you is if the title Jedi is bestowed upon someone

1024
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 3: the same way that being knighted, you know, by his

1025
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 3: or her majesty, the queen or the king, then does

1026
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 3: that mean that If to go back to what Vanessa

1027
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 3: said earlier, if Canaan never made it to twelfth grade,

1028
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 3: he because in tenth grade his master died, and then

1029
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 3: and then Ezra is being trained by a Jedi that

1030
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 3: didn't finish Jedi school, then are either of them legitimate Jedis?

1031
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 1: Were they united?

1032
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 6: I don't know.

1033
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:20,360
Speaker 8: They touch on it in one of the tales from

1034
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 8: Tales of the Jedi. I think they touch on Canaan's origin.

1035
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 8: I don't know if you ever took the trials, but

1036
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 8: if you don't take the trials, you are technically not

1037
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 8: considered a Jedi. You're a padawan, right, that's the Patawan word.

1038
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 8: So Ezra would be a Padawan, Ezra would not be

1039
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 8: a Jedi. Now it gets a little murkhy because there

1040
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 8: are no Jedi to give Luke Skywalker the Jedi Trials,

1041
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 8: and so Yoda just kind of invents the trial for Loop,

1042
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 8: which is Yoda and obi Wan just kind of say, oh,

1043
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 8: you got to go kill your dad. That's your trial.

1044
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 8: That's your trial.

1045
00:55:57,960 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 4: Right.

1046
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 6: If you pass it, you're a Jedi, which.

1047
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 8: Is so kind of manipulative because they're just going out

1048
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 8: like they don't see Vader the way that Luke sees

1049
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 8: Vader because it's his dad. And like again Vanessa was

1050
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 8: saying about Jedi vers Sith, Luke shows up. He betrays

1051
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 8: his masters, which is what makes Luke so great. The

1052
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 8: only people in the galaxy who can tell Luke what

1053
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 8: to do and how to become the thing he yearns

1054
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 8: to become. He turns his back on them, says I

1055
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 8: know better, throws his lightsaber away, and faces the consequences

1056
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 8: because you know, a Jedi shall not know. Love is

1057
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 8: something that was taught in the Old Republic. But love

1058
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 8: is what ultimately saves the galaxy. So I think when

1059
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 8: you're looking at the prequels and what George was saying

1060
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 8: with the prequels and about the Jedi is that they

1061
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 8: were misguided, right. Love is the thing that brings it

1062
00:56:59,160 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 8: all together.

1063
00:56:59,800 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 6: Love.

1064
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 8: Love is the thing that and there's also an interesting

1065
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 8: conversation to be had here, and I'm talking so much

1066
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:12,919
Speaker 8: about Anakin's quote unquote love for Padme versus Luke's love

1067
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:17,919
Speaker 8: for Anakin. In that Anakin didn't you could it could

1068
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 8: be argued that Anakin did not love Padme. He was

1069
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 8: obsessed with Padme and that's why he fell to the

1070
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 8: dark side, versus Luke's love for his father is what

1071
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 8: brought him back. Speaking about love and luck and Obi

1072
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 8: Wan again, obi Wan says to Han Solo famous famously,

1073
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,439
Speaker 8: in my experience, there's no such thing as luck. Luck

1074
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 8: in the galaxy could also be seen as a subconscious

1075
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 8: ability to manipulate the odds using the force, right, So

1076
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 8: is Sabine and again we find out later in Ahsoka

1077
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 8: and Things. Is she just the best shot, the least

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Speaker 8: likely to get hit, the most tactical all of these things,

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Speaker 8: or is subconsciously she tapping into something more like Anakin

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Speaker 8: did when.

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Speaker 6: He was racing pod pods. He's the only one who

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Speaker 6: can do it right.

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Speaker 8: So I think that there's an interesting discussion there even

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Speaker 8: further about people who are able to subtly access the

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Speaker 8: force who have not received any training and the way

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Speaker 8: that the galaxy perceives it after indoctrination. After wiping the

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Speaker 8: slate clean, and seeing it as luck when it's really

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Speaker 8: not going into medichlorians even more and are people born

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Speaker 8: with it and how does that all work. Something that

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Speaker 8: they explored really interestingly in Bad Batch and The Mandalorian

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Speaker 8: and even further into Rise of Skywalker is the idea

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Speaker 8: of midichlorians and m count which is what they call

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Speaker 8: it now because people have such a reaction to medichlorians

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Speaker 8: is cloning and the Bad Batch. If you watch Bad

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Speaker 8: Batch and you look at Omega, the whole show is

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Speaker 8: about them trying to access omega Is blood as a

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Speaker 8: clone because they had force abilities, they had a high

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Speaker 8: Medichlorian count, and you're also seeing you see that in

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Speaker 8: The Mandalorian with Grogu and how they're trying to pay

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Speaker 8: a very high price to get access to his blood,

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Speaker 8: which I think will eventually lead to, you know, where

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Speaker 8: they will tie that in and probably in the Mandalorian

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Speaker 8: Grogu movie that's coming out next summer is Snoke as

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Speaker 8: a failed clone of Palpatine and then Palpatine finally in

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Speaker 8: the Rise of Skywalker, them mastering the ability to clone

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Speaker 8: somebody and have that clone have the same Midichlorian count

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Speaker 8: as the person who who they're trying to clone, repeatability

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Speaker 8: in generating in generating.

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Speaker 6: A Force user.

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Speaker 8: Essentially, that's speculation, but I think that they've laid a

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Speaker 8: pretty strong roadmap to that.

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Speaker 6: Have I lost all of you?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm yeah.

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Speaker 8: I mean Taylor, you were talking about can a Mandalorian

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Speaker 8: be a Jedi. Mandalorian are a group of people. It's

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Speaker 8: a race right up until you hear the line of

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Speaker 8: the Mandalorian. Mandalarian isn't a race, it's a creed. But

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Speaker 8: even if it's a creed, you could still be a

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Speaker 8: Mandalorian Jedi. And I don't think anything in the Mandalorian

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Speaker 8: creed says that you would have to violate the Jedi

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Speaker 8: rules you know, of killing and things like that. The

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Speaker 8: difference between a Jedi and a Sith also is just

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Speaker 8: the pathways they use to harness the energy of the force. Right. Anger, fear, aggression,

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Speaker 8: hate are powerful emotions in sports, in anything you do.

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Speaker 8: But if you go down that path, you lose. You

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Speaker 8: don't have a clear head and you make decisions that

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Speaker 8: you otherwise wouldn't make. The Jedi path is one of

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Speaker 8: surround nity and peace to access the same things. You know,

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Speaker 8: it's perspective all right through that. The origins of the

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Speaker 8: probe droid voice, which John touched on at the very

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Speaker 8: beginning of the episode, that came from a shortwave recording

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Speaker 8: of a Ham radio that belonged to Ben Bert's grandfather.

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Speaker 8: Ben Bert's quote on it was I mixed it with

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01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 8: some outtakes of weird transmission noises I'd created for the

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Speaker 8: warning signal that beckons the spaceship Nostromo to a ghostly

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Speaker 8: planet in the movie Alien, which also, if you look

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Speaker 8: at the ghost is very Nostromo like in design in

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Speaker 8: Star Wars Rebels, so it all ties together right there.

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Speaker 8: He also mixed in the voice of a well known

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Speaker 8: Shakespearean actor who he's never revealed, and transformed that electronically.

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Speaker 8: I'm going to go a little bit into Ezra and

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Speaker 8: the Lothcat because I thought this was super cool in

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Speaker 8: nineteen ninety four. I've talked about a lot the Jedi

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Speaker 8: Academy Trilogy books by Kevin J.

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Speaker 6: Anderson.

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Speaker 8: In those books, they establish a different Jedi, have different

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Speaker 8: sensitivities to different parts of the Force, and I think

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Speaker 8: it's really cool that they repeatedly show Ezra in tune

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Speaker 8: with animals, with the loft cats, with the Pergols, and

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Speaker 8: with the and I'm spacing on the name the non

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01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 8: Minox who we talked about earlier fur Knox as well.

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Speaker 6: I think it's really cool.

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Speaker 8: As Ahsoka says in Star Wars Rebels, there's always a

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01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 8: bit of truth in Legends, and I think it's cool

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01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 8: that they're bringing in some of those concepts that were

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01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 8: developed in Legends into the show as early as the

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01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 8: first season. Defending Tia now, because I feel like I've

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01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:53,919
Speaker 8: always I'm always taking Taylor's side on things like jet

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01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 8: packs and lightsabers to defend Tia. The ipiece doesn't flip

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01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 8: to the back of the helmet. That is a ninety

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01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 8: degree thing, so it's up or it's down.

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01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 1: Keep it out, I have to see.

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Speaker 8: And also not all Mando Mandalorian helmets have it right.

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01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 8: The Mando the dinger and helmet does not have the

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Speaker 8: eyepiece that comes down, So that's an.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: And I believe it's something it's like targeting, you know,

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Speaker 8: it's like, you know, helps her see zone in on

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Speaker 8: those things.

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Speaker 6: Shopper.

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Speaker 8: There's a big debate about Chopper here and why doesn't

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Speaker 8: Chopper just speak English? And why doesn't R two just

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Speaker 8: speak English? This is a use case. Chopper isn't designed

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Speaker 8: as a robot to do the things he's being asked

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Speaker 8: to do. R two D two is not designed to

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Speaker 8: do the things he's being asked to do. They are

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01:03:55,480 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 8: droids that are there's, they're mechanics, They're meant to help

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Speaker 8: the ship go to hyperspace. They're not meant to do

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Speaker 8: all of these things. And again, in old legend, which

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Speaker 8: I'll continue to bring up because I love it, the

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Speaker 8: idea was that R two D two and C three

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Speaker 8: po never had their memories erased, and the longer a

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01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 8: robot goes without having its memory erased, the more human

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01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 8: and the more abilities it will have. And so R

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01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 8: two D two, who has never had its memory erase

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Speaker 8: from the time it was by a New Hope and

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01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 8: Return of the Jedi, has become more human than say

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Speaker 8: just an R five unit that randomly gets plugged into

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Speaker 8: an X wing and has its memory erase constantly. I

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Speaker 8: think that's also the case with Chopper, is that Harah

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Speaker 8: has had Chopper for a long time. Hara values Chopper's companionship.

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Speaker 8: Chopper has a specter number is obviously part of the

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Speaker 8: family is obviously part of the crew. So the argument

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Speaker 8: I don't think is why doesn't Chopper speak English? The

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Speaker 8: argument would be, why doesn't Harra just install a voice

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Speaker 8: box on it so that Chopper speaks English? But as

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Speaker 8: you guys said, you guys all understand Chopper anyway, So

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Speaker 8: why spend the time and resources to install another add

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Speaker 8: on to Chopper when Harrah's communicates with Chopper perfectly fine

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Speaker 8: as is.

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Speaker 1: It's a down economy, so you know you can't.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess. I'm like, how does how do we

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Speaker 4: understand him?

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Speaker 1: But you just do well? And maybe people maybe it's

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Speaker 1: also a stone how about that?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's how language works in the first place, right,

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Speaker 3: how did you start understanding English?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? But that's what I'm saying, Like, didn't I like,

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Speaker 4: on the Thal I was speaking with Freids. I don't know.

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Speaker 5: But what jac just said, it's it was like the

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Speaker 5: reverse of what obi Wan said about Vader. It's like, well,

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Speaker 5: they're more men now in the machine. What you say

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Speaker 5: there you go?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but others may not. Others may not understand Chopper,

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Speaker 1: And maybe Harah doesn't want him to speak English because

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Speaker 1: pressure situations, we are the only ones that will understand him.

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Speaker 5: That's it' That's like when Kobe spoke Spanish the Palcasol,

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Speaker 5: so nobody knew what play they were running, so there

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Speaker 5: we go.

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Speaker 4: And Ricky Rubio, well it didn't matter anyway.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, I think.

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Speaker 3: Taylor's question is like, he hasn't been part of the

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Speaker 3: crew for that long, and how does he understand choppers

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Speaker 3: want Want want, like as easily as you do?

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Speaker 1: Or Canaan does.

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Speaker 8: That sounds like a question for Pablo Hidelgo. That sounds

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Speaker 8: like a comic book spinof.

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Speaker 1: You know, Bide the Way JC M v P.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well done good.

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Speaker 6: I just spin that out as fast as I could.

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Speaker 1: It was most impressive as it.

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Speaker 5: But we always feel much smarter, jac once we get

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Speaker 5: to this part of the show. So it's like, oh,

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Speaker 5: like we get the payoff, we get the little education here,

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Speaker 5: and it's just it's always a fun conversation. Today's especially

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Speaker 5: was a very fun conversation. And who knows maybe that

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Speaker 5: that spinofful show that all this time as it was

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Speaker 5: on Rosetta Stone in his room when nobody was looking,

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Speaker 5: and that's how he learned everything. We never know and

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