1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:01,440 Speaker 1: Snee right. 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 2: Hey, we're excited to have Joe West join us right 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 2: now here. He is a little giggle on the on 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 2: the animation there, Joe, it's awesome to see you. And 5 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 2: for anyone unaware, I mean more big league games worked 6 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 2: than any umpire ever. Joe, great to see you though. 7 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: How you doing and are you kicking back and looking 8 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 2: at the current week of baseball with the ABS challenge 9 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 2: system going. I wish I was part of this, or 10 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: I'm glad I'm not involved in this. 11 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know enough about it to know 12 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: whether I'd want to be involved or not. I just 13 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: I just know that they're they're trying to make everything 14 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: as specific as they can. They're trying to get all 15 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: the umpires they call the same strike zone. When I 16 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: first came to the major leagues, we had we had 17 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: different umpires had different strike zones. We had lee wires 18 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: got there between the dougolts and in the air it 19 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: was a strike. And we had Dutch trinter that he 20 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: had a little postage stamp back there, and so you 21 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: had to know what umpire was behind the plate to 22 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: know where to throw the pitches. But from the from 23 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: the beginning, of the quest tech and the zone evaluation 24 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: stuff and everything they've they've tried to make it uniform 25 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: for all the umpires to be trying to call the 26 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: same thing. I think the idea is a good idea. 27 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 1: I don't know if they've gone about it as expeditiously 28 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: as they can, because I understand that they still don't 29 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: have a three dimensional box for the strike zone. It's 30 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: still linear, and I think they moved it to the 31 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: middle of the plate instead of the front edge of 32 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: the plate, and that's I don't know if that's good 33 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: or bad. I don't know enough about it to give 34 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: you an educated comment on it. I just know that 35 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: the strike zone is three dimensional and what you're seeing 36 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: on TV is linear. It's it's one dimensional, and I 37 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: you know, until until they can get it where there's 38 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: linear lines drawn up from the edges of the home 39 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: plate on both sides and in the complete the pentagon, 40 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: you know, three dimensional issue that it is. I don't 41 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: think it's as accurate as it can be. I mean, 42 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: do I like the idea that they're trying to get 43 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 1: all the umpires to call everything the same Yes, I 44 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: think that's great, But again, I don't know enough about 45 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: it to give you a legitimate answer to that too. 46 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: Would I want to be there, No, I'd rather be 47 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: playing golf like I was this morning. And I'm sorry 48 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: I'm a little late getting on here, but. 49 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 3: Joe, let's first of all, let's get one thing straight 50 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 3: right now. Thanks for joining us. I'm glad we got 51 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 3: you off the golf course. But second of all, also, 52 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 3: you know how many times you would have got called 53 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 3: horse blank if they had this when you were an 54 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 3: umpire behind home play. 55 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 4: You know how many times that we could have told 56 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 4: you how bad. 57 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 3: You were, and then when you tried to throw us out, 58 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 3: we could say, Joe, look at the screen, you missed 59 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 3: seven calls in a row. 60 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well see, that's what's really funny, because all the 61 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: years I worked, I never missed one. I didn't call 62 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: them all right, I didn't call them all right, but 63 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: I was out there for all of them. I never 64 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: missed me. But the uniqueness of this is it's trying 65 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: to get all the umpires to call the exact same 66 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: pitchure strikes and and that's a good idea, but who 67 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: implemented it? Who did they have? Any umpires or players 68 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: helped design the system? Or I mean that that bothers me, 69 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: that that's the one thing that bothers me. But and again, 70 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: you know, I use that term very lightly. But I 71 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 1: never missed one, because I did tell Dick Williams that. 72 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: One day. He came out and he said, you missed it. 73 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: Just tell me you missed it and I'll go away. 74 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: And I said that exact same thing. I never missed one. 75 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: He said, you can't be that arrogant. I said, I'm 76 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: not being arrogant. I've been out here for all of them. 77 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: I don't call them all right, but I've been out 78 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: here for all of them. He got mad. But that's 79 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: that's the way it was. Dick. Dick was one of 80 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: those guys. He was a tough, hard nosed manager and 81 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: might have been one of the best managers I ever saw. 82 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: But he was. And and it's funny because when he 83 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: got out of managing and he started scouting. I think 84 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: he worked with the Yankees a little bit. I used 85 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: to see him at the screen when he'd walk off, 86 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: and he'd holler and come over and say hello and stuff. 87 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: But he was he was a tyrant when he was 88 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: on the on the field. Is managing his club and 89 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: and uh, you look at everywhere he went, he won, 90 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: everywhere he went. He just got under the management's skin 91 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: and they could only stand him for a few years, 92 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: just like me. So but that's uh, it's good to 93 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: see you guys. This is a this is a nice 94 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: trifect to have in you guys here. 95 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 3: You know. 96 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 4: It's only one of us you've rejected Joe though. 97 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, well you deserved it. 98 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 3: I was thinking, if we had had abs, we'd still 99 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 3: be in that game right now. We'd still be in 100 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 3: that spring training game in twenty sixteen because you. 101 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:07,239 Speaker 4: Were never going to call a strike. 102 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 3: We would have ran out of challenges, Joe, and you'd 103 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 3: still we'd still be in the seventh inning right now. 104 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: You know you wanted to get kicked out of that game. 105 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: In fact, it was really funny the way you did it. 106 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: You said I got to have that pitch, and I said, 107 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: the ball's low, and you said I got to have 108 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: that pitch. I said, why do you have to have it? 109 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: Am I supposed to change the rules so it can 110 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: be a strike when you're catching, And you said, well 111 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: you've been missing them all day. And so I turned 112 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: around to Freddy and said, we need a new catcher. 113 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: This was not playing nice in the sandbox, and you go. 114 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: You got to leave early. You got to leave in 115 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: the sixth inning, and I had to stay for all nine. 116 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: That's not fair, so right? 117 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 3: And that I was home before you got out of 118 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 3: that game, Joe, I was home on my couch. It 119 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 3: was on ESPN. I was watching the game like this 120 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 3: as you were finishing up. I showered, got home. It 121 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 3: was the seventh inning. 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Does 151 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 5: it feel like it's something that the umpires are going 152 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 5: to have to adjust almost their personality, not necessarily just 153 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 5: their strike zone in how they react to the situation. 154 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: Oh? Absolutely, because it's a total embarrassment. If you know, 155 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: you show it on the big screen in the balls 156 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: the corner of the plate and you called it a 157 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: ball or you called it a strike and it's off 158 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: the plate. That's that no umpire wants to miss a 159 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: play or a pitch. The greatest thing that ever happened 160 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: when we started putting in replay was that the players 161 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: now realize that the umpires are trying to get every 162 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: every play right. That was the best thing that could 163 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: happen to player and umpire relations was that you could 164 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: go to instant replay and correct it if they made 165 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: a mistake. And it was it was like a light 166 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: coming on that the players really really well, he was 167 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 1: trying to make the right call, or he did make 168 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: the right call. He didn't call me out because he 169 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: didn't like me. And there was so much of that 170 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 1: going on before we put in instant replays. You'd call 171 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: a guy out and he said, you just called me 172 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: out because you didn't like me. Well, that's the furthest 173 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 1: thing from the truth. And you know, one of the 174 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: greatest pieces of advice I ever got is an umpire 175 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: was from Doug Harvey, and I'll never forget Dave Kingman 176 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: had argued a three and one pitch and I called 177 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: it a strike and he gave me a little guff 178 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: behind the plate. It didn't really show me up and 179 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: then the next pitch was a little bit outside and 180 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 1: I called ball four and he says, oh, you might 181 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: as well have called that one too, And I chased 182 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: him to first base, screaming at it because I was 183 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: so mad at what he said that I'm screaming at 184 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: I just called ball four and I'm chasing him the 185 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,719 Speaker 1: first base. So Doug Harvey walked down between it and 186 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: he said, you know what, You're going to be better 187 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: than they are on your worst day, So why would 188 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: you let them ruin your day? Don't get mad, Go 189 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: do your job. If they say something to get kicked out, 190 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: kick them out, but go do your job and don't 191 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,960 Speaker 1: get angry. And I don't think from then on I 192 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: ever got angry on the field. I realized he had said, 193 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 1: you know, go do your job. That's what you're paid 194 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: to do. If they get out of line, kick them out. 195 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: If they do their job and they don't, you know, 196 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: affect the game, then let it be. And that was 197 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: the greatest piece of advice I ever got, you know, 198 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: And my blood pressure went down a lot because I 199 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 1: didn't get angry anymore. And prior to working with Doug Harvey, 200 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: when Dick Williams and I were there. We were screaming 201 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: at each other from first inning on and but I 202 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: never let that affect me. After Doug had that one 203 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: medium would just say, hey, don't let them ruin your day, 204 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 1: and I tried not to. And here's here's another thing. 205 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: I don't think you guys know because you've been around 206 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: baseball now and you know what an umpire's job is. 207 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: And I tell people this all the time. Your first 208 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: job is a baseball umpire is to protect the game 209 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: of baseball. And that doesn't mean the Commissioner's office. That 210 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: means to protect the game as we know what on 211 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: the field. That's your first priority. Now, your second priority 212 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: is to protect the profession of umpire, and that might 213 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: not mean the union, might mean you'll have to make 214 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: a decision that's not in the best interests of the union, 215 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: but it's in the best interests of the profession of umpire. 216 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 1: And your third responsibility is to do what you know 217 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: in your heart is morally, honest and correct. And if 218 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: you do those three things in that order, nothing you 219 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: do on the field is going to be wrong. And 220 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: I don't think people understand that part of what the 221 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: umpire's job is they look at the umpires unnecessary evil, 222 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: and the crazy thing about it is the umpire may 223 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: be doing his job. And it's like George Will said 224 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 1: that umpire is just like a Republican. He's not concerned 225 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: at what the result of his decision is going to 226 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 1: be to anybody. And he's right. The umpire has to 227 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 1: do the best his ability to get every play right 228 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: and every pitch right. And some of the discipline that 229 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: we have to hand out as umpires, whether it be 230 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: warnings to the pitcher or warnings to the dugout or 231 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: kicking somebody out of the game, that's part of the 232 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: fabric of the game. And to blame an umpire for 233 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: doing his job is a mistake. I get. I get 234 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: more upset with an umpire that doesn't do his job 235 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: than I ever would for somebody that does what he's 236 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: supposed to do. 237 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 3: So first of all, when you kick Mark Burley on 238 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 3: Cleveland for not walking because you got picked off, that 239 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 3: was personal. I know it was because you were mad 240 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 3: at Ozzy. So anyways, we'll get into that another time. 241 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: But you like you saund like Paul Carroll. 242 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 4: Exactly. 243 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 3: But here's the thing I agree with you about the 244 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 3: three D the fact that the three D stuff is 245 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 3: not and I've said this ever since and I and 246 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 3: I'll use the game yesterday with the Yankees and U 247 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 3: Bolinski behind them or I think it wasn't one who 248 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 3: I think it was a Monsky behind the plate. But 249 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 3: he's calling balls that are a tenth of an inch 250 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 3: low in the middle of the plate. He's actually right 251 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 3: if you go by the definition of the rule book, 252 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:11,599 Speaker 3: because if that ball is coming down a tenth of 253 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 3: an inch is like this. So if you take this far, 254 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 3: you move it forward where the ball was. That pitch 255 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 3: is actually a strike he's calling it. And that's my 256 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 3: biggest gripe I have about ABS is that if the 257 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 3: rule book says that the strike zone is a three 258 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 3: D thing, that's the three D and it moves with 259 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 3: each hitter, then why can't we come up before we 260 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 3: implement this. 261 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 4: A three D box that we can show like they 262 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 4: have on TV. 263 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe I'm way off, but I think 264 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 3: I think as umpires get it right. 265 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: No, yeah, and you're you're right as to analyzing what 266 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: you're seeing and how they're developing this process. Because the 267 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: strike zone is three dimensional and it's hard to say 268 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: if that ball is in the front of the plate. 269 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: If they had measured that pitch from the front of 270 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: the plate, it would have been a strike. And now 271 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: the ball is low when it gets to the middle 272 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: of the plate, and it's not a strike. And and 273 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: you can't second guess an umpire on what he sees 274 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: and what he's calling. And that's that's the hard part 275 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: of this. But the good thing about this process is 276 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: that baseball is trying to get all the umpires to 277 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: be calling the same strike zone. And that that's a 278 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: good thing. No matter what anybody says, whether they like 279 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: the system or not, trying to get every umpire to 280 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: call the exact same pitches the exact same way is 281 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: a good thing. And by the way, Burley said he'd 282 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: never had a ball called on him, and the office 283 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: called me and said he had nine call on him 284 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: before I called that one. 285 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 4: Such a lie. Such a lie. And by the way, 286 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 4: and I'm gonna tell you this right now. I'm gonna 287 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 4: tell you this right now, Joe. 288 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 3: And then the next time, and I'm gonna tell you 289 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 3: this right now, and I know this is true. The 290 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 3: next time that you had a Mark Burley star was 291 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 3: in Chicago and Angel Hernandez was on your crew that year. 292 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 3: And Angel Hernandez called a bock on Mark Burley. And 293 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 3: we told him before the game, we said, we're gonna 294 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,239 Speaker 3: throw over and it's gonna they're gonna. 295 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 4: Call it a buck no matter what you do. 296 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 3: So we want you to give the worst move ever 297 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 3: to first base and he literally gave like I'm throwing 298 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 3: over and Angel Hernandez bocked it. I know why he 299 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 3: did that, Joe, just to make you feel good about yourself, 300 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 3: because you were on the same crew when you were 301 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 3: the crew chief. And you can't tell me that I'm wrong, Joe. 302 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 3: So when you say that you umpires don't hold grudges, 303 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 3: you held a grudge for like two months on Mark Burley. 304 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 4: So that is some bull crap, Joe. 305 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: No see, and you're wrong there, because all the umpires 306 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: and even I loved having Mark Burley because he got 307 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: the ball and he pitched and when he threw, when 308 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: he threw the glove up in the air, the other 309 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: three umpires said, oh no, they were yelling at me 310 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: not to throw him out. What we loved having Mark Burley. 311 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: Everybody loved having pitched in any game because he got 312 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: the ball and he threw it. And but you're gonna 313 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: you're gonna hate me saying this, But Frank Robinson was 314 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 1: our boss at the time, and he said that I 315 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: was right and called him both of those Box. So 316 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: you'll have to talk to Frank, and he's not with 317 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: us anymore, so I can't. I don't have to argue 318 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: with you. And you know what, don't you remember you 319 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: can't argue box with an umpire anyway. 320 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 2: Hey, while we're on it, last one for you, Joe, 321 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 2: how do you think you know you worked with Angel 322 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 2: rnandez Lot, how do you think he would have handled 323 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 2: the system and the change, because this is probably the 324 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 2: biggest change we've seen in the game's history for for 325 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 2: umpires and another guy, I think he worked with a 326 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: ton of n CB Buckner who went viral on social 327 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 2: media this weekend for you know, getting six of eight 328 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 2: wrong on the overturned on the challenges. 329 00:16:56,280 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: Well, you know, these guys adjust to the system that 330 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 1: you gave him the first time, the Quest Tech Zone 331 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: evaluation system, and they'll get better. And you got to 332 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 1: realize they're throwing this on them now without having any 333 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 1: what you call dress rehearsal. And that's the funny thing 334 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: about umpire. We don't have bad practice. We don't have 335 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: the ability to go look at pitches before the game starts. 336 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: And so, you know, I feel for guys whenever I 337 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: whenever I see a call where I think he made 338 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: a mistake, or any umpire makes a mistake, I feel 339 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 1: for him because we've all been there. It's like, uh, 340 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: and you you guys, realize that the guy throws a 341 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 1: pitch right down the middle and you swing and miss it. 342 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: You go, what was I doing? How did I miss that? 343 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: And uh? And umpires are the same way. They're human 344 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: beings and they're going to make mistakes. And let's let's 345 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: be realistic. They're going to be some umpires that are 346 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 1: going to be a little bit better than other umpires. 347 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: But in the scope of things, the professional baseball umpires 348 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 1: in the major leagues are the best officials in all 349 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: the sports all over the world. And you can't deny that. 350 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 1: And do they make mistakes, yes? Are they human? Yes? 351 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 1: Are they going to make mistakes? Yes, There'll be times 352 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: that you'll scratch, you hit and see what was I doing? 353 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: You know? And but this is human nature. People are 354 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: not perfect, but we're making every effort to get him 355 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: as good as we can get them, and I think 356 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: that's a good thing. 357 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 2: Well said, Well, Joe, it was awesome to catch up with. 358 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:34,479 Speaker 1: We love having you on. 359 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, hold on before we let Joe go, do you 360 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 3: have any albums coming out anytime soon? Burley ever gets 361 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 3: into the Hall of Fame, he wants to know if 362 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 3: he can play your new album when if he gets 363 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 3: into the Hall of Fame. 364 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I'll write a song for him. 365 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 3: You know he did that Burley one time when you 366 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 3: knew your umpire and he made the sound people when 367 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 3: he walked out, play your You're one of your albums, 368 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 3: so you would hear it. 369 00:18:58,440 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 4: Did you ever know that story? 370 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: I didn't know that story. I knew John Smoltz would 371 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: call and asked what what's Joe West's favorite song? And 372 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 1: I always said Merle Haggard's Fight Inside of Me. So 373 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 1: whenever I walked out and Smoltz was pitching, they were 374 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: playing the Fight inside of Me all the loud speaker. 375 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: That's smart, that's a good tactic. There. I gotten a 376 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 1: you're talking about the box earlier I called a ball 377 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: on Clayton Kershaw and I almost kicked him out of 378 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: the game. I was going after him, and uh, the 379 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: second basement for the Dodgers got between us, and he 380 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: went and told Brian Roberts. He said, look, you don't 381 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: want to make him mad. Let's try to make up. 382 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 1: So the next day the Dodgers decided we're going to 383 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: play Joe West walk up music. We're going to play 384 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: his songs from his album. And don't you know they 385 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: batted around. Maybe they should have played it more often. 386 00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 3: Wait you wait before we I know he got to go, 387 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 3: But do you still go to the place? Is a 388 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 3: place in San Francisco used to go play after the games. 389 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 3: It's still there. 390 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 4: Do you ever. 391 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: Get the gold dust? 392 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 4: Gold gold dust and then go sing afterwards? You could? 393 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 4: You could buy him a beer and you might get 394 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:18,119 Speaker 4: a straight called against you. 395 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: Yeah. See, you keep trying to bribe people. 396 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 4: Why why would you do that? 397 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: I don't understand that you have a bad attitude. I'm 398 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: gonna have to call Hawk and talk to him about you. 399 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: You know. But there was a place across the river 400 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: in Cincinnati called Bobby Mackie's and John Kidler and Bruce 401 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: Freming and Dick Stell and I went in there the 402 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: first year they opened, and Bobby Mackie was an old 403 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: time country singer. In fact, he came to my record 404 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: breaking game in Chicago when I set the record for 405 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: most games umpire and uh. We went to Bobby mckie's 406 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: from the first week he was open till I retired, 407 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: and it was we were talking about that today because 408 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 1: Bobby could play anything that was ever recorded on the 409 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: radio or played on the radio. And John Kibler's favorite 410 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,719 Speaker 1: song was lay Down Sally, And so one night Bobby 411 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: went up to our table and said, what's your favorite song? 412 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: And John Kibler jumped up right away and said, lay 413 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: Down Sally. He went right up on the stage and 414 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 1: played laid Down saltn And I talked to the band 415 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: members after that, and I says that the first time 416 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: Y'll ever played that. He said, absolutely. But we used 417 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: to go to places like that where they welcome us. 418 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: And there was who was the picture that pitched for Cincinnati, 419 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: Homer Homer Bailey. He said one night he sent the 420 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: waitress over to our table and said, by Joe West 421 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: and the other umpires of beer, because I'm pitching tomorrow 422 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: and I sent the waitress bag and said no, tell 423 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: him no, thank you. Bobby gives me drinks because I 424 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: get up and sing. 425 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 2: Everybody trying to butter you up. See I say the 426 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 2: sme here. Yes, they knew what they were doing, or 427 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 2: at least trying trying. Joe, enjoy the rest of your day. 428 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 2: Thanks again for joining us. Great to catch up. Appreciate you. 429 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was good. Now I gotta call Hall Carrolson. 430 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: Can you imagine that we could record that phone call? 431 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, all day? 432 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: Report back. 433 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 2: Maybe we'll report back after that one. 434 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: Thank you, Joe, take care so yeah, you too. 435 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,080 Speaker 2: I love these surveys. Stephen Nesbit puts many of these together. 436 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 2: In the athletic Over eleven thousand fans participated in their 437 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 2: fifth annual Hope O Meter how fans are feeling about 438 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 2: not just the state of their team now but going forward. 439 00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 2: And you'll see why this is interesting in a moment, 440 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 2: and he said, seventy two percent reported that fans are 441 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 2: optimistic about their favorite team this season, compared to sixty 442 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 2: six percent last year, sixty four percent in twenty twenty four. 443 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 2: It was seventy five percent in twenty twenty three. In 444 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 2: the first year they did this, fans felt sixty six percent. 445 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 2: So obviously, you know, more fans optimistic than not. That's 446 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 2: a good thing. But he said some fans are just 447 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 2: as juiced about a rebuild as their team being contenders. 448 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 2: And that is why with this meter you will see 449 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 2: the optimism scores closest together for the Yankees to the 450 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 2: White Sox. Yes, believe it, so it starts with the Dodgers, 451 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 2: that makes sense. Ninety nine point eight percent. That's about 452 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 2: as high as you can get that are optimistic. I 453 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 2: have no idea what game the point two percent are 454 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 2: watching or what substances that they are having fun with, 455 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 2: but you better be damn happy about the Dodgers right now. 456 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 2: The Blue Jays at ninety six point two percent. I'm 457 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 2: not going to read the whole thing, but just giving 458 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 2: you an idea of the teams that are in the 459 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 2: nineties meaning fans are really feeling it. Mariners, Tigers, Royals 460 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 2: at ninety four point five percent, Cubs and Red Sox. 461 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 2: That's the cutoff there at ninety percent plus. When you 462 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 2: go on the other end of the spectrum, the teams 463 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 2: in the nineties for pessimism, Twins at ninety five point 464 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 2: seven percent, the Angels at ninety four point three percent. 465 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 2: Then there's a huge drop off and you go to 466 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 2: the Nationals at seventy five point eight percent and the 467 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 2: Rockies at seventy four point seven percent. Of course, we 468 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,360 Speaker 2: have to go right to our White Sox expert Aj 469 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:34,479 Speaker 2: Persinski to get your take on why your most famous 470 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 2: former team, the White Sox, are close to an Aer 471 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 2: Kraft's former team in the Yankees, in terms of optimism, 472 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 2: your thoughts. This episode is brought to you by Fox One. 473 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 2: Go get that new app, stream baseball, stream football, stream 474 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 2: World Cup action. 475 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 1: You'll be watching. 476 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 3: Oh definitely, I can't wait. I actually want to try 477 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 3: and get to a game. 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You can 486 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 2: get a free seven day trial of Fox one, so 487 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 2: go check that out and you can start your seven 488 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 2: day free trial. Today, offers are subject to change. Go 489 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 2: to Fox one for complete terms and conditions. Fox one 490 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 2: streaming now. 491 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 3: Sixty seven point two percent of people are optimistic about 492 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 3: the White Sox. That's good because every white A lot 493 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 3: of White Sox fans I talk to are excited about 494 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 3: the young core they have. And then Mark Commy hiting 495 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 3: three homers in three games. There was a lot of 496 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 3: people that are excited about the direction of the White Sox. 497 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,119 Speaker 3: Now do they wish they'd spend money? Yes, I was 498 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 3: talking to some White Sox fans yesterday. They were like, man, 499 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 3: we need to spend some money, get some veteran pitchers 500 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 3: in there to lead some of these young guys. A 501 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 3: little word about the bullpen. But they see hope right. 502 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 3: Whereas to me, the more surprising thing is the Yankees. 503 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,199 Speaker 3: Why because they brought back the same team or people 504 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 3: that are fans just inherently more negative than others. You 505 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 3: would think the Phillies would be down there with the 506 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 3: way they treat sometimes their players. But hey, listen, the 507 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 3: White Sox fans are I mean, I think you know, optimistic. 508 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 3: Sixty seven that's two out of every three people are 509 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 3: optimistic about the White Sox. 510 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 4: I think the White Sox will take that right. 511 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,439 Speaker 3: The Twins, there's like nobody optimistic about the Twins or 512 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 3: the Angels. 513 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:19,479 Speaker 4: You know what that is. 514 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 3: It's a long time of not doing much to make 515 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 3: the fans happy and not being any good for a 516 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 3: long time. 517 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,400 Speaker 4: So I mean, if I'm a White. 518 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 3: Sox fan, two out of three White Sox fans are happy, 519 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 3: it's pretty darn good. You can't get two hundree people 520 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 3: to agree on anything that's fair. 521 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 4: I like that. 522 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 5: I like that, But I think the optimism is in 523 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 5: two different things. The White Sox optimism is in the 524 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 5: fact that just like Ajay says, Ken any worse than 525 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 5: it was two years ago. Like they're optimistic because they're like, hey, 526 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 5: we're moving in the right direction. But I would caution 527 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 5: White Sox fans, you can't make chicken out of you 528 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 5: know what. So my thing is the Yankees, the pessimistic 529 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:04,959 Speaker 5: fans and the Yankees, and people be like, oh, Yankees 530 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 5: fans are always so tough. 531 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 4: I don't think that's what it is. 532 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 5: I think it's the fact that they're running this same 533 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 5: team back and so they're like, well, we didn't win 534 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 5: a World Series last year. Why are we going to 535 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 5: win a World Series this year? And to me, that's 536 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 5: a negative, a negative thinking like I think if it 537 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 5: was do you think your team is going to win 538 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 5: the World Series? I think the numbers would be completely skewed. 539 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 5: But this is just optimism and pessimists like, hey, yeah, 540 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 5: we're moving in the right direction. As World of White 541 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 5: Sox Yankees, I don't know if we're moving in the 542 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,199 Speaker 5: right direction, but our only successful season is going to 543 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 5: be a World Series championship. So that's where I think 544 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:48,240 Speaker 5: it's ironic that they're very close, but in a lot 545 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 5: of ways they are extremely far apart. 546 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 2: And just giving you some context on reading fan comments 547 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 2: that were included in the article themselves. 548 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 3: The Rockies, by the way, are twenty five percent. Yeah, 549 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 3: so one out of every four Rockies thinks they're going 550 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 3: in the right direction. Their hope what's they're hoping? I 551 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 3: guess it's Paul Deepedesta, right and Burns, Yeah, yeah, they 552 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 3: I mean, what if the Rockies given them in the 553 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 3: last forever to be optimistic about. I love the Cliffs too, 554 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 3: by the way, the Cliffs and by the way, the 555 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 3: Cardinals fans, you know, forever were optimistic. But now they're 556 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 3: down and they're starting to come back up because they 557 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 3: see Heine Bloom and Allie Marmel. 558 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 4: Those guys can maybe figure some stuff out. 559 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 3: But I mean, the Rockies are pretty flat that they're 560 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,479 Speaker 3: just not very optimistic about anything. 561 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 4: They don't make a change. 562 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 5: They haven't made a change the Rockies. I guess that 563 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 5: would be the one optimistic part is the fact that 564 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 5: they stopped they stopped employing all the exact same people 565 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 5: that have been Buddies since whatever year they came in, 566 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 5: and they're like, oh, man, remember in two thousand and 567 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 5: four the run that we made and twenty eighteens not 568 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 5: that long ago, like it'll come back. No, there was 569 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 5: no optimism before for the Rockies, So maybe that should 570 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 5: be a little optick in the chart, because yeah, they 571 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 5: actually made a change, unless Paul did. De Podesto is 572 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 5: just you know, a mouthpiece for all the people that 573 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 5: were there before. But I think they're willing to make 574 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 5: the change. To me, they're years behind, and so it's 575 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 5: going to take a little while. 576 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 2: The two biggest factors here are either growing young talent 577 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 2: that turns into a young star or one of the 578 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 2: top prospects in the sport. That's why you see the 579 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 2: Pirates surge back up. It's not just schemes, it's Connor 580 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 2: Griffin that make people excited with the Red Sox. We 581 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 2: just talked in an earlier segment about how some fans 582 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 2: feel as if they didn't do enough for the lineup, 583 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 2: but Roman Anthony kind of overrules a lot of this. 584 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 2: This isn't just optimism for this year. This is kind 585 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 2: of here and going forward. So that helps for the Orioles. 586 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 2: They're very high up coming off of mid seventies win 587 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 2: season last year. Why because they did a lot in 588 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 2: the offseason, including picking up Pete Alonzo. So I'm just 589 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 2: going off some of the fan testimonials that we see 590 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 2: in these articles. So that's a big difference. Guys. The 591 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 2: A's are skyrocketing with the young talent they have and 592 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 2: the fact that they're keeping a lot of that young talent. 593 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 2: So if you're a fan, you finally get to see 594 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 2: some guys their long term aj We don't have to 595 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 2: go too far back to look at Matt Chapman, Matt Olsen, 596 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 2: et cetera, and a number of star players that they 597 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 2: weren't able to keep. 598 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: They're locking guys up early. 599 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 3: A great and Langolear's and Kerchivy next, let's let's get that. 600 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 3: Let's get those two done next. You have a hell 601 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 3: of a hell of a core there if you lock 602 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 3: those two them for a long time. But yeah, fans 603 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 3: are fickle. We all know that fans are fickle, as 604 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 3: they should be, and they go with the flow. They 605 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 3: go with the the ebb and flow and the tides 606 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 3: and up and down and how they feel that day 607 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 3: and how the day goes or how that week goes. 608 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 3: We've already talked about guys like, oh, the Red Sox 609 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 3: are trash, they're pitching stinks right and Tony iv I 610 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 3: tell it doesn't know what he's doing this and that 611 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 3: I mean, we'll see it's it's so early in the season. 612 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 3: But I do like the hope because this should be 613 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 3: about hope. And the teams at the top are usually 614 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 3: the best teams. And then there's teams like the Yankees 615 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 3: that people are just like, what are we doing? But 616 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 3: Yankees are pretty good people. Let's give them a chance. 617 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 3: They're going to be pretty good this year. 618 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I see a trend. Also, I mentioned 619 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 2: the A's and then some of the other teams that operate, 620 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 2: you know as low budget teams, all jumped at the 621 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 2: same time. The Pirates last year were nineteen percent. They 622 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 2: go up to seventy nine percent. The Marlins were sixteen 623 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 2: percent last year, they go up to sixty eight percent. 624 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 2: AJ's White Sox from nine percent nine last year coming 625 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 2: off the brutal record season the year before, now they're 626 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,959 Speaker 2: sixty seven percent. You see a number of these smaller 627 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 2: market teams that are jumping up, some of them due 628 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 2: to young talents, some of them due to a little 629 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 2: bit more spending this past offseason. So yeah, those are 630 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 2: those are the biggest jumps that we saw AJ, and 631 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 2: they're all from those teams that operate in that way. Really, 632 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 2: the one team that stands out on the other side, 633 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,400 Speaker 2: like we mentioned, is the Twins, who two years ago 634 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 2: were eighty six percent coming off the playoff performance their 635 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 2: first playoff series win getting themselves to the DS, then 636 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 2: fifty two percent last year, dropping down to what AJ 637 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 2: mentioned four percent. So those are some of the risers 638 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 2: and the fallers on this list. But to me, that's 639 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 2: what stands out if you're looking for a trend. Some 640 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 2: teams that have been picked on that haven't had a 641 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 2: lot of success lately and haven't done much about it 642 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 2: have all skyrocketed. It also shows how quickly you can 643 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 2: win your fans back. 644 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 3: Yes, be good, spend some money and get the right player, 645 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 3: and you'll spend And by the way, the two percent 646 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 3: that didn't vote for the Dodgers being pessimistic, optimistic, whatever 647 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 3: it is, those are the same people that didn't vote 648 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 3: for like Derek Jeter in the Hall of Fame or 649 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 3: Ken Griffy Junior to go into the Hall of Fame 650 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 3: on the first ballot. They just said no because they 651 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 3: wanted to be the person that said no. 652 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 4: In reality, they should have just gotten it. 653 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 3: I mean right, said yeah, who's mad at the Dodgers. 654 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 3: They went back to Backworld Series. They have the best 655 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,479 Speaker 3: roster again, they have the best player, They have everything 656 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 3: going for them. 657 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 4: What is there to be pessimistic about. They're not going 658 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 4: to not spend money anymore. They clicked on the wrong button. 659 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 5: They clicked They were like, oh, can't take that back, 660 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 5: and it just said form submitted. 661 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: He's like, oh, dang it. 662 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,360 Speaker 2: It might be that small of a number because I'm looking. 663 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 2: So they surveyed about eleven thousand people here. I'm using 664 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 2: some AI to help me out. So if you take 665 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 2: an average of three hundred and sixty seven people and 666 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 2: take zero point two percent of that, that's how many 667 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 2: people press the wrong button. Let's see er point two 668 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 2: percent of three sixty seven. So it's one. It's one 669 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 2: person on that survey. 670 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 4: That was the one guy. 671 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 3: One guy who didn't vote for Ken Griffey Junior, the 672 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 3: one guy who didn't vote for Derek Jeter, the one 673 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 3: guy who didn't vote for guys that are surefire first 674 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 3: ballot Hall of famers like that's that one just because 675 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 3: they wanted to say I was that guy, and they 676 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 3: also didn't put their ballot out there so people could 677 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 3: say you're an idiot for being that guy. 678 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 2: Or it's just that one person that shouldn't be texting 679 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 2: people at two in the morning. Maybe they're a little 680 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 2: bit rocky and they're doing it and they do this 681 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 2: survey at two in the morning and they messed up. 682 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: It's that's the. 683 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 2: Only reason you can look at that, because otherwise you 684 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 2: should be one of the happiest fan bases of all 685 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 2: time in turn of your optimism for what's ahead. It's 686 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 2: not even just what they have AJA, they too have 687 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 2: one of the better farm systems in baseball, So if 688 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 2: you're looking at the future, it's not even just the spending. 689 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:10,280 Speaker 2: And even if you're worried. 690 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,280 Speaker 1: Oh and they develop a change. 691 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, they take the thirtieth pick and make them into 692 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 4: a stud. They take this guy and this guy make 693 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:17,320 Speaker 4: him into a stud. 694 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 2: So yeah, so cool, cool exercise. It actually shows that 695 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 2: the game is in a pretty good place when three 696 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 2: quarters of the fan base of the fan base pretty 697 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,280 Speaker 2: much are very happy and optimistic about the team's chances 698 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:30,959 Speaker 2: right now.