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Speaker 1: Fellow conspiracy realist. We, like the rest of the world,

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Speaker 1: have our eyes on the recent assassination attempt of former

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Speaker 1: US President Donald Trump on July thirteenth, twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 1: as we recorded this strange news program before that incident occurred.

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Speaker 1: We are releasing a special full episode on the event,

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Speaker 1: which will be published this week. Thank you for your time.

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Speaker 1: Be safe and stay tuned.

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Speaker 2: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 2: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 2: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name's Matt, my

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Speaker 3: name is Noel.

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Speaker 4: They call me Ben.

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Speaker 1: We're joined as always with our superproducer Alexis, code named

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Speaker 1: Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly, you are You are here.

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Speaker 1: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 1: It is almost birthday season here at how Here it's

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Speaker 1: stuff they'll want you to know. As we heard all

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Speaker 1: headlong toward August and the news isn't stopping. Taco Bell

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Speaker 1: has a retirement home. Just off air. We're talking about

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Speaker 1: some big changes in Greece, and a lot of people

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Speaker 1: are smuggling animals in their pants. That's hot again now.

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Speaker 4: And they're apparently also happy to see us. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's one great case with a guy named Matt

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Speaker 1: Pancake real name, stop it, real name. You can see

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Speaker 1: him on YouTube getting caught in a leopard onesie asleep

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Speaker 5: You know what, I'm wondering if it was it could

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Speaker 1: You tell us, folks, maybe there is an entirely wholesome,

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Speaker 1: indeed noble reason that you would need to put on

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Speaker 5: And maybe he just really identifies with the animal kingdom

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Speaker 5: But I will say, we were watching the video that

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Speaker 5: you've found Ben on that topic with Alexis code named

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Speaker 5: Doc Holliday, and Alexis pointed out that the police were

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Speaker 4: That leopard onesie.

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Speaker 1: Assumptions are dangerous and doc. Yes, agreed, you made an

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Speaker 1: excellent point. Also, shout out to the guy who got

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Speaker 1: he conspired to smuggle them out of Hong Kong. There's

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Speaker 1: some great pictures there are.

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Speaker 3: We talking babies, we're talking quote.

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Speaker 1: If you go to the Guardian you will see that

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Speaker 1: the way the way the authorities describe it. When he

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Speaker 1: six canvas drawstring bags and sealed with tape. Once opened,

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Speaker 4: Wow. True coalition of certitudes.

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Speaker 5: Of that should be political slogan, Our coalition of the

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Speaker 5: unwilling you already have right, Yeah, basically Jesus.

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Speaker 1: So, before we move into the news, do you guys

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Speaker 1: want to talk a little bit about Greece's bold new

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Speaker 3: Sure, it feels like a weird move in the midst

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Speaker 3: But we as a company aren't going to tell you,

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Speaker 5: And just a lot of chatter, and I mean understandably

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Speaker 1: That's look, Greece already has an historically, it has the

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Speaker 3: it's saving companies money, right, but it's making the workers

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, absolutely, guys. There's an added thing here

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Speaker 1: And if you're if you're a Greek national, or if

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Speaker 5: Every year when it comes around to get that euro.

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Speaker 5: I think euros should be for all year round.

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Speaker 4: And then, of course not the only thing in cuisine

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Speaker 1: The civilization, this civilization, let's not get into a couple

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Speaker 1: So we'll give them their flowers there. And no matter

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Speaker 1: where you live, this is one of our first big stories.

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Speaker 1: No matter where you live in this wide world, no

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Speaker 1: need to check your passwords right now, Alexis, can we

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Speaker 4: Yes, all right, let's.

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Speaker 1: Go to cyber news and rock You twenty twenty four

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Speaker 1: all one word. Cyber news researchers recently discovered the largest

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Speaker 1: password hack in known history. We're talking ten billion different

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Speaker 1: passwords and it came through a file called Rocky two

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Speaker 1: by a someone calling themselves Obamacare on July fourth. This

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Speaker 1: this is something that involves us. We may have mentioned it,

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Speaker 1: but we haven't done it on the air. Our pattern

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Speaker 1: familias of how stuff works. Absolute brilliant guy named Marshall Brain.

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Speaker 1: Yes that's his real name, He's mister Brain. A while back,

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Speaker 1: asking me for stuff. And so, Matt, you'll recall I

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I texted him, uh and I called him,

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Speaker 1: And then he wrote, ball, I have to send you

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Speaker 1: But it was odd the specificity.

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Speaker 1: It was someone who knew enough information to use these

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Speaker 1: And that's just you know, that's just a microcosmic example, right,

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Speaker 1: Like I think we were saying off air, we've all

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Speaker 4: Right mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: By the way, just really quickly, Marshall. Marshall reports that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, dormant accounts. The empty parking spaces right are already

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Speaker 5: Can you tell me more about this mean?

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Speaker 5: Is it like the Taco Bell cantina where they serve

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Speaker 1: it is reserved for Taco Bell Rewards members. So you

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Speaker 5: Gonna do two sort of teching news stories out of

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Speaker 5: rent spaces, and that has resulted or had resulted in

438
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 5: some pretty wacky and outrageous little political ads, including ads

439
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:14,239
Speaker 5: for like pornographic material sex shops. There was even an

440
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 5: AI mayor candidate, and this was of course a gobernatorial

441
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 5: race running on a platform of using artificial intelligence to

442
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Speaker 5: run the government.

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Speaker 4: A guy running on a golf platform.

444
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Speaker 5: Where he apparently a big part of and this is

445
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Speaker 5: also there are videos associated with these, not in the

446
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Speaker 5: squares but online, and in the little clip or in

447
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 5: the little square, he's kind of showing him practicing his

448
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 5: golf swing, and you know, pictures of pets, pictures of kickboxers,

449
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 5: you know, all kinds of you know, lurid poses. And

450
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,959
Speaker 5: the thing is, in Japan, the law has been that

451
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 5: anybody running for office can pretty much say anything they

452
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Speaker 5: want as long as it's not inherently libelists or slanderous,

453
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Speaker 5: or as long as they're not supporting another candidate, which

454
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Speaker 5: is interesting, but I guess makes sense that we would

455
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Speaker 5: maybe like put it exactly like that over here, because

456
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 5: the implication you wouldn't really be running if you were

457
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,959
Speaker 5: going to be supporting another candidate unless you lose, you know,

458
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Speaker 5: a potential bid for a nomination, then you, you know,

459
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Speaker 5: put your support behind a certain candidate, you endorse them

460
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 5: or whatever. But this new hiccup has been specifically caused

461
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Speaker 5: by this political party that has been renting out these

462
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Speaker 5: spaces kind of creating a bit of a bizarro kind

463
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Speaker 5: of show that a lot of citizens of Tokyo have

464
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Speaker 5: commented they find distasteful. It's a little bit embarrassing, you know,

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Speaker 5: it doesn't really cast their city in a particularly flattering light.

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Speaker 5: So I don't know if you guys have any thoughts

467
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Speaker 5: about that or as it relates to our political process

468
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Speaker 5: over here.

469
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Speaker 4: Is hit worse? Is it better? I mean, it.

470
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Speaker 5: Almost seems a little bit lighthearted and lower stakes than

471
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Speaker 5: what we're seeing over here in terms of some of

472
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 5: the gnarly kind of hate.

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Speaker 4: Filled, baiting kind of cam pains.

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Speaker 5: That we see in political ads, not to mention with

475
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Speaker 5: Citizens United and the ability of corporations to give unlimitedly,

476
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,440
Speaker 5: you know, to these types of campaigns.

477
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I see what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Shenanigans are kind of evenly distributed around the world,

479
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Speaker 1: for better or worse. And this is fascinating to me

480
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Speaker 1: because Tokyo has such a huge impact on the rest

481
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Speaker 1: of Japan right the world. Yeah, yeah, very much, and

482
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Speaker 1: culturally as well. And there are still, you know, they're

483
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Speaker 1: definitely far right forces in Japan. There are some active

484
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Speaker 1: extremists in Hokkaido. Okinawa is going through some turbulent times

485
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 1: right now because yet again US service members were committing

486
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: some pretty heinous sex crimes and assaults. This the idea

487
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Speaker 1: what you're saying, like the lightheartedness of this particular instance,

488
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Speaker 1: I would agree with that. It is if anything, it

489
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: is kind of embarrassing to the residents of Tokyo. And

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Speaker 1: you see those those quotes from various you know, person

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Speaker 1: on the street interviews with different media outlets. There was

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Speaker 1: one I saw in uh infox by my Yumi noteap

493
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: there was an office worker in Tokyo and just said, uh,

494
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Speaker 1: mainly message that they feel this is embarrassing when outsiders,

495
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: non Japanese visitors see what's happening and said quote, I

496
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 1: see many foreign visitors passed by these billboards and they

497
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Speaker 1: must wonder what's going on. As a voter, I think

498
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Speaker 1: it's outrageous and disrespectful to the other candidates we're seriously competing.

499
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Speaker 1: But you know, we get that in the UK, we

500
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: get that in the US. Somebody runs as like, quote

501
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: unquote a joke candidate. I love Buckethead. Remember Buckethead?

502
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Speaker 5: Of course, yeah, you can shred too. Are you talking

503
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 5: about the same guy? The bucket had the plays of

504
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 5: the guitar. Maybe I'm not just trying to replace slash

505
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 5: that's right, as in fact go by Buckehead as well.

506
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 4: I could see the confusion there.

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00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 5: But yeah, apparently this emerging Conservative Party is what the

508
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,919
Speaker 5: AP describes them as. And I've dug a little deeper

509
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 5: and a lot of things that are, you know, in

510
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Speaker 5: Japanese and I haven't really I don't know exactly what

511
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 5: the name of the of the party is. But they

512
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 5: apparently were even encouraging folks who weren't candidates to rent

513
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,239
Speaker 5: these spaces, and a lot of it ended up just

514
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 5: being like vying for attention. And the leader of this

515
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 5: Conservative Party, a guy with the name of Takashi Tachibana,

516
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 5: said we have to be whackyer.

517
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Speaker 4: We don't get media attention.

518
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Speaker 5: And the AP also spoke to a professor at Nihan

519
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 5: University by the name of Ryosuke Nishida, who is a

520
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 5: political experts and media specialist, and said the point is

521
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 5: to make it moral and outrageous actions. The reason why

522
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 5: some people find these performances amusing is because they think

523
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Speaker 5: their objections are not taken into consideration by politicians and

524
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 5: existing parties or reflected in their politics. And I did

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00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 5: see a YouTube video of an American. I believe he

526
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 5: didn't have an accent. He seemed like an American living

527
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Speaker 5: in Tokyo, seems to have been living there for.

528
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 4: A long time.

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Speaker 5: And he did point out that, you know, much like

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Speaker 5: over here in other parts of the world, there is

531
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Speaker 5: a perception of significant corruption in Japanese politics. So this

532
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 5: is almost the thumbing of the nose at the system

533
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Speaker 5: that many perceive as being broken.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but just to be clear, these billboards are meant

535
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Speaker 3: to show the actual candidates they could vote for, that's right,

536
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 3: and they are being just changed in these weird ways, misused, misused,

537
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 3: But ultimately there is this the only way people learn

538
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 3: about candidates or is this just like traditionally.

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Speaker 5: It's a popular way and again, Ben, I would defer

540
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,239
Speaker 5: to you with your time there. But it is a

541
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Speaker 5: cultural thing, these squares, these grids of squares that are

542
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 5: put up seasonally. It is something that people have come

543
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 5: to expect because I believe online campaigning wasn't even really

544
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Speaker 5: much of a thing until relatively recently because of some laws.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Japan, as anybody who's been there or spend time

546
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Speaker 1: there knows, Japan is far far into the future in

547
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: some things like toilet technology and frankly food, but also

548
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: seems to weirdly lag behind in some innovations right like

549
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: fax machines are still very common, just because that is

550
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: the normalized, expected way to do things. And so to

551
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Speaker 1: the question about the paths of or the opportunities to

552
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: learn more about a candidate as a voter in Tokyo

553
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,959
Speaker 1: or Japan, surely there are write in listeners let us

554
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: know conspiracy, iHeartRadio dot com. Surely there are people who

555
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: are maybe less tech savvy, or maybe they're older people,

556
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: and they've just associated this platform in particular as their

557
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Speaker 1: way to get a quick summation of the can you know,

558
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: And people just like over here typically are going to

559
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: vote with the party they already identified with in previous elections.

560
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: It's kind of rare for folks to break ranks due

561
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: to the tribalism, so I would say it's important there

562
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: are other ways to learn about it, right and with

563
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: you can just see how many candidates are in these

564
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: kind of races, so they're not just racing for public approval,

565
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: they're also fighting tooth and nail to get any sort

566
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Speaker 1: of media coverage, and past a certain point, it's like

567
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: the old Hollywood rule, does bad or good coverage matter?

568
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: That Matt much is the main thing just getting your

569
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: name and your face out there.

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Speaker 4: I think that's absolutely right.

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Speaker 5: And apparently like some of these entire billboards, of which

572
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Speaker 5: there are tens of thousands, by the way, throughout the

573
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Speaker 5: city of Tokyo, where they'll rent the same same square.

574
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Speaker 5: You know, it'll be the same ad in an entire

575
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 5: grid of by the way, forty eight squares in these.

576
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Speaker 5: And it's sort of like if you go to New York,

577
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 5: where there'll be walls around construction sites where it is

578
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 5: legal to post bills, and then there's the ones that

579
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 5: say post no bills. This is kind of like that,

580
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 5: like it's sort of built into the urban landscape. Of

581
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 5: the city, and apparently all of this is perfectly legal

582
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 5: because of that lag that Ben's talking about, which I

583
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 5: do find interesting. Japan does seem to be a play

584
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 5: a country of conundrums, of sort of you know, what's

585
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 5: the word I'm looking for, like contradictions, right like where

586
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 5: it's like, you know, yes, they are so ahead of

587
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 5: the curve on so many things, but there are some

588
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 5: things like this that just don't quite catch up to

589
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 5: the times, and there are people out there seemingly exploiting them.

590
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Speaker 1: And to be fair, you know, this country's not not

591
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 1: some kind of paragon of perfection, which is a redundant phrase.

592
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: Like everything we just said about Japan can in some

593
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: ways be applied to the US right very far ahead

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00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: in some things and cartoonishly behind in some others. And

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Speaker 1: it just depends on where you live and what gets normalized.

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Speaker 5: Well, speaking of what gets normalized, And I think we

597
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 5: can give this quick. I actually didn't think that this

598
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 5: one was going to generate quite as more much conversation

599
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Speaker 5: as it did, but I'm glad it did.

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Speaker 4: I think these were all really valid and interesting points.

601
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Speaker 5: Apparently, South Korea has for some time had the densest

602
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Speaker 5: robot population in the entire world, and.

603
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Speaker 4: That is something that I was unaware of.

604
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Speaker 5: You if you're lucky enough to be anywhere near Buford

605
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 5: Highway here in Atlanta, where there's some amazing cuisine and

606
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 5: some restaurants that you might not find in places other

607
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 5: than a Asia, you will notice that there are a

608
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Speaker 5: lot of spots that have these serving robots that will bring.

609
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Speaker 4: You your trays and bring you your drinks, etc.

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Speaker 5: There's like a pretty popular rotating, revolving sushi restaurant called

611
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Speaker 5: Kura I believe, and they have these little serving robots,

612
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Speaker 5: and they are starting to become a little more popular.

613
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Speaker 5: In cities like New York or Los Angeles, well you'll

614
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 5: be walking around and see like a food delivery robot.

615
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 5: But in South Korea they've been doing this for a

616
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 5: very long time. And that also applies apparently to civil service,

617
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 5: where there are robots that are helping with admin type

618
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 5: tasks and sort of interacting with office workers. And in

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Speaker 5: South Korea, in a place called Gome City, there has

620
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Speaker 5: been what is being reported as the first robot suicide.

621
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Speaker 5: And I have to just go ahead and caveat this upfront.

622
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 5: I really do think this is quite hyperbolic and in

623
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 5: many ways just sort of an entry into a conversation

624
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 5: about what it means to be human and what it

625
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 5: means to humanize robots, and what it means for artificial

626
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 5: intelligence to simulate human emotions, because you know, people get

627
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 5: bummed out, and isn't the idea of a robot that like,

628
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 5: they're like all the good things about humans, but they're

629
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 5: sort of impervious to some of the bad. But as

630
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 5: we know with like things like chatbots becoming racist when

631
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 5: you train them on the internet, they take all that

632
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 5: stuff into and there is a question as to whether

633
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Speaker 5: or not this robot was feeling overwhelmed and overworked like

634
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Speaker 5: many of the probably other folks was working alongside so

635
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 5: the robots worked for the Goomy City Council. Was found

636
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Speaker 5: at the foot of a two meter long staircase, where,

637
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Speaker 5: according to some reports, including one from tech report dot com,

638
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 5: it threw itself down. I did sorry, I think describing

639
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 5: the idea of a robot throwing itself dead so dramatic

640
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 5: and really click paity and like good for a headline,

641
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 5: but I don't know if I buy it. It was

642
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 5: known as the Robot Supervisor, worked normal shift hours like

643
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 5: everybody else, even had its own employee card and was

644
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 5: very accustomed or programmed, I guess, to operate the elevators.

645
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 4: And that's true.

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00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 5: I think we've all been traveling together and maybe seen

647
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 5: these in hotels occasionally where they do get off the elevator.

648
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Speaker 5: They use the elevator, they've got something where they can

649
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 5: either extend like an R two D two little finger

650
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 5: and poke the button or whatever. But they do get

651
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 5: on and on elevators. And according to this Tech Report

652
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Speaker 5: article by Chrishy Chowdry, the reason for the suicide is

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Speaker 5: not yet been determined, but the broken pieces have been

654
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Speaker 5: taken away.

655
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 4: In order to help determine the cause.

656
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 5: So it's weird though, because it's not exactly a crime scene,

657
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 5: I mean, but it does seem, you know, the anthropomorphization

658
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 5: of robots really comes into play, especially in the way

659
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 5: it's being described. And that's really the gist of it, guys.

660
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 5: It was manufactured by a company out of California called

661
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 5: Bear Robotics, and it began its work back in twenty

662
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Speaker 5: twenty three. And all this writing about the robot's suicide

663
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 5: I think is really overblown, borderline I responsible in some ways.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

665
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 5: Maybe that's me being a little too alarmist about it,

666
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 5: but what do you guys think. I know we're near

667
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Speaker 5: in the end of the segment, but I just want

668
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 5: to quick I think this is worth a quick chat

669
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Speaker 5: and then maybe bring it back up for another episode,

670
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 5: maybe on robot servants, you know, or on the anthromorphization

671
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Speaker 5: of technology.

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Speaker 3: To me, it sounds like we need to get some

673
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 3: robot doors, kind of like doggy doors, you know, or

674
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Speaker 3: like the little fences that you'll put up on a staircase.

675
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 3: She install one of those, or a bunch of those, like.

676
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 5: Those those curve fences they put on bridges to keep

677
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Speaker 5: humans from throwing themselves off.

678
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Speaker 4: No, no, I'm joking. I know, I'm totally joking.

679
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 3: Look, I don't know anything about this manufacturer, this specific robot,

680
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 3: but it feels to me like it was some kind

681
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 3: of error, right it wastant spinning in a circle, then

682
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 3: went off the thing.

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Speaker 5: So the deepend Matt the deep end enough.

684
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Speaker 3: I just finished this game with my son called Stray

685
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 3: on PlayStation. This game about a cat in a city

686
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: full of robots, and it's very very cool. I would

687
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 3: recommend everybody plays it, but just this way we apply

688
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 3: our thinking.

689
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Speaker 4: To the robots.

690
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 3: I think that's you're right on that that's what's happening here.

691
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Speaker 4: Any last thoughts from you, Ben before we move on.

692
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'll save them for an episode with robot servants.

693
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: You know, like you said, they're quite prevalent in the

694
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Speaker 1: more develop parts of Asia. I've had some very weird

695
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: run ins, the kind of things that leave you a

696
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Speaker 1: little paranoid. But I'm sure everything's fine.

697
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 5: Probably so and again I joke that, you know, our

698
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 5: robot servants slash overlords. But it is the thing that

699
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 5: we're like trying to train these things to be as

700
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Speaker 5: human as possible without the inconvenient parts of being human.

701
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 5: A big conversation around AI is that there comes a

702
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Speaker 5: point where there's this this sort of I don't know,

703
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 5: critical mass point where you can't filter out the things

704
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 5: that you're you're training it with human stuff. It's gonna

705
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 5: get the human parts as well, and then eventually it

706
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 5: might just take over and start writing its code itself.

707
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Speaker 4: But I don't know.

708
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 5: I'm glad that you're into that idea, Ben, I think

709
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 5: that'll be really really cool to talk about big picture,

710
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 5: what does the future of robot assistance, AI assistance, all

711
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 5: of that stuff I think could be bundled into a

712
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 5: great episode.

713
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 4: Well, let's take a quick pause.

714
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 5: Here, here a word from our robot overlord, our sponsors,

715
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 5: and then we'll be right back with another piece of

716
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Speaker 5: strange news.

717
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 3: And we've returned. Guys, how much do we all love driving?

718
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 3: We're big driving enthusiasts, right.

719
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 5: Don't love it on the regular in traffic and just

720
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,439
Speaker 5: for like functional and purposes. But out on an open

721
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 5: road type situation, I had rented kind of a souped up, cooler.

722
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 4: Car than I normally possess. That was awesome.

723
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 5: I live for that, but like, yeah, in Atlanta driving

724
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 5: kind of sucks because of you know, the traffic, and

725
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 5: a lot of it.

726
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 4: Isn't driving at all, it's just sitting there.

727
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Speaker 1: I love it for a number of personal reasons related to,

728
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: of course, one of the first shows I did with

729
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: this network car stuff, but also depending on the kind

730
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: of situations you're in, it's a it can be a

731
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: much more dependable way to transport yourself or things as

732
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Speaker 1: opposed to cargo ship or as opposed to flight, you know,

733
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Speaker 1: because getting caught without wheels when you're at the mercy

734
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Speaker 1: of a rental place or an airport and inclement weather.

735
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Speaker 1: It's never an ideal situation. So for many, many reasons,

736
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Speaker 1: I think there's a poetry to the open road and

737
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: the idea of vehicles here in the US. Obviously it's

738
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Speaker 1: not great that the majority of people living here are

739
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 1: forced to depend upon those vehicles. But they're just cool.

740
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: They're just so cool, man.

741
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, cars are the best. Driving is one of my

742
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 3: favorite things to do on the planet. And you know,

743
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 3: as you're saying, especially if you're at the mercy of

744
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 3: you know, public transportation, no matter how good it is, right,

745
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 3: no matter what state you live in, what country you

746
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 3: live in, using public transit, you're using somebody else's schedule, right,

747
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 3: you are hoping everything is going to work functionally. With

748
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 3: a car, if it's yours and you're driving it, you

749
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 3: get to get wherever you're going basically as fast as

750
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 3: you want to get there or can get there, And

751
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 3: you get to choose your own destiny. Right, you can

752
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 3: decide to go somewhere else if you want to. There's

753
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 3: a great freedom of a personal vehicle like a car, truck,

754
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 3: or an suv, even a motorcycle, any of that stuff. Well,

755
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 3: some of that personal freedom that car vehicles represent is

756
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,240
Speaker 3: getting taken away guys in the EU, in the European

757
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 3: Union as well as in Northern Ireland at least to

758
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 3: some extent, and we're about to talk about it. As

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00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 3: of July seventh, that is the Sunday before we are

760
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 3: recording this on July tenth, all new vehicles, all new

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00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 3: cars sold in the European Union and Northern Ireland must

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Speaker 3: have quote a range of technical safety features fitted as standard,

763
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:52,399
Speaker 3: including an intelligent speed assistance which is also known as

764
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 3: a speed limitter. Now what does that mean a lot

765
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 3: of newer vehicles, including the camera I'm currently driving it,

766
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 3: which is a twenty twenty one model, they have things

767
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 3: on them that will alert you that you are potentially

768
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 3: probably going over the posted speed limit on a road.

769
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 3: How does it do that? Well, in the vehicle I'm driving,

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00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 3: there is a little speed limit sign that shows up

771
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 3: on your heads up display in the or it's not

772
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 3: really heads up display, it's on your dashboard, but it

773
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 3: shows you what the posted speed limit is on that road,

774
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 3: right next to how fast you're going on your spinometer.

775
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 3: And in my vehicle at least it just lets you know,

776
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 3: with a color coding if you're going green like under

777
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 3: the speed limit, yellow right at that speed limit, or

778
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 3: red you're above the speed limit, buddy, And that's all

779
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 3: my vehicle does. It just lets me know that I

780
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Speaker 3: am doing this.

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00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: It doesn't interfere with your operation. It's like it's it's

782
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 1: the onboard version of those speed monitoring kiosk that gets

783
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: set up and like flash yes five if you're going

784
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: forty five and a thirty.

785
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,879
Speaker 3: Five Yes, And in full honesty, guys, I notice when

786
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 3: it's happening. I just see the little like I'll see

787
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Speaker 3: the red pop up and I'm like, oh dang, I'm

788
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 3: going a little too fast, especially if I've got my

789
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 3: son in my car. It's really helpful. I'm like, I

790
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 3: should probably be a little more responsible than.

791
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 4: This doesn't beat at you, though, does it.

792
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 3: It does not, But god, many many vehicles will beep

793
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 3: at you, and other vehicles will even do things like

794
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 3: make the make the accelerator more difficult to push down.

795
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 3: It'll it'll give you resistance on your accelerator, which is

796
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 3: kind of interesting.

797
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 1: Other stitch to the insurance company, Oh.

798
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, if you've got don't let me look if

799
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 3: you've got your you know, apps up to date, and

800
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 3: you've signed up for all the services, and you've said

801
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 3: yes to all the things, and whatever vehicle make and

802
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 3: model you're driving, it could potentially be, like Ben said,

803
00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 3: snitching to your insurance company. Well, there's other things that

804
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 3: they can get around it, but officially, if you haven't

805
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 3: said yes to the stuff, at least as of right now,

806
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 3: it can't be used against you.

807
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 5: It reminds me of the kind of like governors that

808
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 5: like commercial trucks have in them. Right, it's sort of

809
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 5: almost approaching that if it is actually hampering your speed

810
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 5: because your school bus, that's right, that's right.

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00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 3: Well here's the deal, guys. These new vehicles, according to

812
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 3: these new rules in the European Union in Northern Ireland,

813
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 3: and that's just vehicles that are sold in those two places,

814
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 3: the new speed limitters will actually prevent vehicles from going

815
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 3: above the speed limit in posted zones. Now, there's not

816
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 3: I haven't seen the regulation anywhere in the Guardian or

817
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 3: any of the other places I've looked at this that

818
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 3: say which roads will be governed by these things, Like

819
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 3: is it just on highways, is it just on residential

820
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 3: streets or in school zones. Where where will those speeds

821
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Speaker 3: actually be regulated? If it's just on a per car

822
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Speaker 3: basis and it's in the entirety of the European Union

823
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Speaker 3: in Ireland or wherever that vehicle drives, that's pretty intense.

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Speaker 4: A lot of questions.

825
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: It's actually it's more dangerous to have a minority of

826
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Speaker 1: cars forced to be limited in that way, especially in

827
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Speaker 1: places where people will tend to drive five to ten

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Speaker 1: over the limit km or miles.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't think you're sitting with duck and you can't

830
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Speaker 5: outmaneuver others too. Let's say you're being chased or something,

831
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Speaker 5: or you in like a situation where you need to

832
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Speaker 5: I'm just saying, just putting that out there, but also

833
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Speaker 5: like who decides where and how do you know?

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Speaker 4: And is that not the slipperiest of slopes, right, there's

835
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Speaker 4: stated aim.

836
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Speaker 1: There's stated aim would be to probably number one priority

837
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Speaker 1: to lower road deaths and fatalities and accidents. So so logically,

838
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Speaker 1: if they're not rolling it out everywhere all at once,

839
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Speaker 1: they would probably be looking for areas where people are

840
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Speaker 1: more likely to die in car accidents.

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00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, apparently, at least to the Guardian, road deaths involving

842
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 3: a speeding vehicle in Britain has risen faster since COVID,

843
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 3: which is up twenty percent in twenty twenty two. So

844
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Speaker 3: I believe what they're stating here, and I'm not positive

845
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Speaker 3: because it's a little bit strange to read, but it

846
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 3: says three hundred and three out of one thousand, six

847
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Speaker 3: hundred and ninety five. To me, that sounds like three

848
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Speaker 3: hundred and three deaths out of one thousand, six hundred

849
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Speaker 3: and ninety five speeding vehicle accidents or something. But staying

850
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Speaker 3: on logic, guys, tell me if I'm completely wrong here,

851
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 3: what I've noticed in driving on highways in Atlanta and

852
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 3: even just on you know, smaller residential roads around here.

853
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 3: I use the logic of I drive roughly the same

854
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Speaker 3: speed as the other vehicles that I'm driving around same

855
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 3: flow of traffic because and you just maintain distance from

856
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 3: the vehicles in front of you and around you, right.

857
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 3: But if you don't do that, at least in this

858
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Speaker 3: city they're is, it feels extremely dangerous because of I

859
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 3: would just say, the tempers and the attitudes of other

860
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 3: drivers around you, which you cannot control. How the aggressiveness

861
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 3: increases as you slow down and maybe even.

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Speaker 1: Anyone could have a gun.

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00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 3: Well yeah, yeah, I mean that's.

864
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Speaker 4: What's sitting duck again, Like I was saying, you know, but.

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Speaker 3: It's for me. It's just the actions that another driver

866
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 3: could take to aggressively get around me if I am

867
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Speaker 3: not going roughly the same speed as other drivers. Because

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Speaker 3: that's in my experience, that's when I've seen accidents on

869
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Speaker 3: the highway, is when someone's upset and trying to get

870
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Speaker 3: around somebody else, so they make a quick maneuver, which

871
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Speaker 3: then they either run into somebody else or it causes

872
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Speaker 3: a chain reaction.

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Speaker 1: And you would have blend in when you're when you're

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Speaker 1: in traffic, especially on a highway, so you kind of

875
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Speaker 1: want to move with the herd. If you are picking

876
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Speaker 1: up speed. You should know that speeding saves at best

877
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Speaker 1: three minutes of travel time. I think last time I

878
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Speaker 1: checked this stat So make your own judgment called make

879
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Speaker 1: sure that three minutes is important enough to you, and

880
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Speaker 1: be well aware that if you are chasing that extra

881
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Speaker 1: three minutes and you get pulled over, you're going to

882
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Speaker 1: lose much more than three minutes. You're going to be

883
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Speaker 1: way later to whatever it was, and you might not

884
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Speaker 1: make it depending on how fast you're going. Right, So

885
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Speaker 1: this is I think there's a lot of human psychology

886
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Speaker 1: that proves to us people are not necessarily built to

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Speaker 1: operate cars in groups because there's still that line mentality

888
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,720
Speaker 1: like I want to be first in line to stop

889
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Speaker 1: light or whatever. Yeah, this is this is an inevitable

890
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Speaker 1: way of handling it. But the rollout itself, and I

891
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Speaker 1: think this is the point maybe you're getting to there,

892
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Speaker 1: Matt has its own potential for danger.

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Speaker 3: Well it does. And you made a great point there,

894
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Speaker 3: Ben that this is going to be a massive minority

895
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Speaker 3: of vehicles on the road for a long long time.

896
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Speaker 3: Not many people go out there and buy a brand

897
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Speaker 3: new model whatever, right, and then go take it on

898
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Speaker 3: the road. Most people, at least the ones that I

899
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Speaker 3: know and the statistics I'm seeing, you buy a vehicle

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Speaker 3: that's at least a couple of years out of date

901
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Speaker 3: from the brand new model. And that's a strategic thing.

902
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Speaker 3: That is a you know, that comes to how much

903
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Speaker 3: money you're going to spend. It has a lot to

904
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Speaker 3: do with a lot of things. Well, mostly because the

905
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Speaker 3: brand new model is crazy expensive for what you're getting,

906
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Speaker 3: especially since it loses a lot of its value as

907
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Speaker 3: soon as you drive it off the lot. Right, That's

908
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Speaker 3: something we've talked about over and over and over again.

909
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Speaker 3: So there's just going to be a tiny number of

910
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Speaker 3: cars that have to go the speed limit and stay

911
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Speaker 3: as far over as they possibly can so other cars

912
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Speaker 3: can go zip around them dangerously.

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Speaker 1: I would also be pissed in the UK with this

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Speaker 1: kind of control, even though there is a lot of.

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Speaker 4: Validity to it.

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Speaker 1: I would be I would understand the perspective of someone

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Speaker 1: who says it's already crazy expensive to own and operate

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Speaker 1: a car in London, you know, in particular like the

919
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Speaker 1: road tax you have to pay just to drive your

920
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Speaker 1: car or nuts. So I could see how a lot

921
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Speaker 1: of people get up about this, as we used to

922
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Speaker 1: say on car stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but the UK is out of this. It's not

924
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Speaker 3: in there.

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Speaker 1: For Northern Ireland.

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Speaker 3: I mean, y, yes, exactly well, you know, yeah, exactly right.

927
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Speaker 3: So that's that's going to create a whole other thing, right,

928
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Speaker 3: because if you take highways far north enough, you're gonna

929
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Speaker 3: be dealing with this stuff. But and again it's only

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Speaker 3: in new cars. So if you want a solution to this,

931
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Speaker 3: and you're gonna buy a car, in the next ever,

932
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Speaker 3: just buy a vehicle that was manufactured before twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, you know, they're not perfect, but they will.

934
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Speaker 1: I am increasingly bullish on this. I don't think you

935
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Speaker 1: should buy new cars if you can avoid it, And

936
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Speaker 1: increasingly the older cars become more attractive because they can

937
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Speaker 1: there's still something that you own versus the newer models,

938
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Speaker 1: which are very very much pushing for subscription models. And

939
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Speaker 1: if subscribe to something that means you never really own it,

940
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, So self sufficiency is always always a

941
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: pretty good thing when you can possess it.

942
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Speaker 3: Agreed. Agreed. My favorite writing about this thus far has

943
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Speaker 3: come out of the Utopian by a gentleman named Matt

944
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Speaker 3: heart Degree. Really love your writing, Matt, if you ever

945
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Speaker 3: hear this. He just makes this really great point. He says,

946
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Speaker 3: speed limits, you know, they're they're part of the social

947
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Speaker 3: contract that we've talked about many times when we talk

948
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 3: about the lines on the road, right, But he says,

949
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Speaker 3: he says, you could drive one mile over the speed

950
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Speaker 3: limit and expect to get away with it. But you

951
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 3: rob one bank and all of a sudden there's a

952
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 3: man hunt. I just I'm sorry. I love that feels

953
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 3: like us talking on the show specifically, Ben, it sounds

954
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 3: like you to me, because it's just like this, it's

955
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 3: a perfect joke to me, it's.

956
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Speaker 1: I mean, it is Honestly, there are emergency situations where

957
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: you have to break a law. You know, I'm not

958
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: saying necessarily a bank robbery, but you know, you've got

959
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: what's the old eighties film trope. You have a pregnant

960
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: person giving birth in the car. You would want to

961
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: get to the hospital. You want to arrive at the

962
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Speaker 1: hospital before the baby arrives on Earth. Right, that's a

963
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: heck of a ticking time bomb scenario or a grievous injury,

964
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: you know. A natural disaster is another thing that every

965
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: year there are a ton of people in the US

966
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Speaker 1: who have to temporarily evacuate due to things like hurricanes,

967
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Speaker 1: and that already these I don't know. I'm on the fence.

968
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Speaker 1: I can see both sides of this, but the main

969
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: thing I see is that this is certain to occur,

970
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: right it It will roll out, and the more it's normalized,

971
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: there will be a feedback loops and more manufacturers will

972
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: adopt it proactively, even if they don't, even if they

973
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: don't legally have to, they'll adopt it just because it

974
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Speaker 1: gives them a better chance to sell cars in the EU.

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Speaker 3: You yeah, well yeah, And Matt makes this point that

976
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 3: I really think will resonate with us guys. He says,

977
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 3: increasingly car makers are trying to take the role of

978
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:13,120
Speaker 3: driving away from the driver. This view sees the driver

979
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 3: as an unfortunate necessity, a stand in for a computer

980
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 3: that will eventually do the job, and that view within

981
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 3: car manufacturing is winning. So this concept of like the excitement,

982
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 3: the freedom that you feel getting in a car, it

983
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 3: will go away, as you're saying, Ben, all of that stuff,

984
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 3: it's just gonna go away. Eventually. We'll just have to

985
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 3: cling on to you know, a nineteenth what I don't

986
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 3: know the year, but the nineteen eighty something Dodge charger. Man.

987
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 5: We have talked about that though, and there is I

988
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 5: think one could argue a greater good argument there where, like,

989
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 5: you know, statistically speaking, if this were the case and

990
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 5: the technology was good, it would reduce deaths. And it

991
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 5: might be there might be a future where that feeling

992
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 5: you guys are talking about would be relegated to an

993
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 5: experience you pay for, you know, on a track or

994
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 5: something that's like outside of the realm of like other people,

995
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 5: you know, being potentially in harm's way.

996
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 4: And I know that likely sucks to.

997
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 5: A lot of auto enthusiasts, But I'm wondering if you

998
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 5: guys have thought about the flip side of that, if

999
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 5: there is a greater good argument here, if you know,

1000
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 5: sufficiently advanced enough technology were to come about.

1001
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: In depth, yeah, especially in car stuff, at least.

1002
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 4: On my end.

1003
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: Maybe I can't remember what show I made this analogy,

1004
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: and but one of one comparison could be when comparison

1005
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: could be the idea of horses. Right, pre automobile and

1006
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: internal combustion engine, a lot of people would engage in

1007
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: transportation with horses, right, because it's smart. It's been around

1008
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: for a while. But now as the automobile became more normalized,

1009
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: more affordable, now horses have been kind of relegated to

1010
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: this nostalgic thing for the And that might be what

1011
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,439
Speaker 1: happens with cars that you drive yourself. It might be,

1012
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 1: you know, I can earn the sci fi story, but

1013
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: there's this great mystery sci fi story about a world

1014
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 1: wherein fossil fuel emissions are much more closely monitored and

1015
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: there's a guy who is just sneaking out and driving

1016
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:25,959
Speaker 1: his old school and a museum type of car. But yeah,

1017
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: it's possible. So maybe maybe that'll be it. Maybe the

1018
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 1: the cameras and the Ford focuses and the Ford escapes

1019
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 1: and what have used. Maybe if you have a car

1020
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: like that, you should hold on to it as long

1021
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: as you can.

1022
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 3: Hey, man, my camera gets forty MPG. Okay, come on, oh.

1023
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 4: Yeah with the cus but tiny thing for me.

1024
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 5: It also reminds me of folks that like refuse to

1025
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 5: upgrade their operating systems on their computer because they like

1026
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 5: the version of the software they use and they do

1027
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 5: not want to be forced to upgrade, so they like

1028
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 5: kind of remove that computer from the Internet. And this

1029
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 5: is true from a lot of audio, you know, or

1030
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 5: video editing. Perhaps somebody really liked the early version of

1031
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 5: Final Cut Pro and doesn't want to participate anything else

1032
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 5: because that just worked for them, you know. And so

1033
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 5: you just kind of remove yourself from that technological rat race.

1034
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 3: Well unless you can't, unless you cannot remove yourself at all,

1035
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 3: because if you own a vehicle, even in California, Senator Wiener, yes,

1036
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 3: that's right, Scott Wiener. He proposed a bill back in

1037
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 3: January to do this very thing in California, so you

1038
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 3: know it might be coming our way. That bill, by

1039
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 3: the way, it's not going through, and that cat is

1040
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 3: very excited to exit this room. So why don't we

1041
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 3: exit this segment? Thank you, Doc? Here we go ed.

1042
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 1: This brings us to one of our favorite parts of

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Speaker 1: the show. This is where we pass the torch to you,

1044
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1045
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Speaker 1: your faithful correspondents traveled abroad and ran into the robot revolution.

1046
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: What do you think about cars? So you get my

1047
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 1: car stuff? Had on for this. Really interested to hear

1048
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: the future of automation, the greater good arguments, and then

1049
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: of course change your passwords. We can't wait to hear

1050
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1051
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1052
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1055
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1060
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