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Speaker 1: noon Eastern without further ado. Here's this week's.

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Speaker 2: Episode, Welcome In, Welcome In, and Slate Round Fantasy Football

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Speaker 2: Show sponsored by a DraftKings David Kitchen here alongside JJ JJ.

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Speaker 3: How are you doing today?

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Speaker 1: Better than you, buddy? Better better than you? This is

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Speaker 1: Kitchen's flu game, everybody. So I'm gonna bring the energy today.

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Speaker 1: It's on me to lift.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I still am too, it's my If it's

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Speaker 2: the Jordan no flu game, it's like, that's true.

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Speaker 1: But do we really reason? Do we really believe you

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Speaker 1: had the flu?

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Speaker 3: You might have been food poisoning, might have been pizza, might.

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Speaker 1: Have been a little bit too much to drink.

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Speaker 3: It could have been that. That wasn't me, though, that

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Speaker 3: wasn't me.

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Speaker 1: That's in this case.

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Speaker 3: No, But still you know you're Jordan. I'm pipping here.

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Speaker 1: Maybe No, you're Jordan today, that's fine.

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Speaker 2: No, No, you're Jordan I'll be Steve Kerr, you know,

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Speaker 2: John Paxton around those guys.

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Speaker 1: So Luke Longley.

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Speaker 3: Action, Yeah, I'll be, I'll be I'll be coach.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Ron Harper, Right, this is this is the basketball

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Speaker 1: stuff that I can talk about because I was. I mean,

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Speaker 1: who wasn't Who name a millennial that wasn't into the

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Speaker 1: n b A in the mid nineties. Yeah, it's tough

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Speaker 1: to find starter jackets. I'm sure there are some, you know, zoomers.

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Speaker 3: Out there that are like, what are these guys talking about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we my house because we didn't have an NBA

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Speaker 1: team in Pittsburgh, and so my brother, for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: got really into the Pacers, and so I kind of

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Speaker 1: I'm loved Reggie and Rick Smith's and stuff like it

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Speaker 1: was those were fun teams. They just could never really

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Speaker 2: I liked the Bulls and it wasn't just because of

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Speaker 2: Michael Jordan's growing up in.

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Speaker 3: Growing but no, actually I liked the Cubs.

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Speaker 2: Growing up in Nashville, there were two channels, TBS and

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Speaker 2: catch baseball games, and so all my friends were TVs

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Speaker 2: with with the Braves and I was WGN with the Cubs,

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Speaker 2: and with that came the Bulls, and you know that

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Speaker 2: was that was a good time to be a you know,

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Speaker 1: So so it's funny because I live in Charlotte now,

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Speaker 1: and I when I moved here, I kept joking and

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Speaker 1: telling people that I always was meant to live in

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Speaker 1: good point to that. But who didn't have hornets gear

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Speaker 1: growing up? But notingly that the hornets were like the

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Speaker 1: go to NBA Someone was talking about NBA Jam in

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Speaker 1: NBA jam legend. The Hornets were the best NBA Jam team. Grandmama,

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Speaker 1: Larry Johnson, you had Alonzo Morning, Muggsy Bogues. I mean,

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Speaker 2: We I had to this is just behind the scenes,

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Speaker 3: But I had to fill out that.

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Speaker 2: Survey for I heart for like the host and is like,

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Speaker 2: Brings us into the next point. We are producing, like

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Speaker 2: JJ said, more content than ever four episodes this week.

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Speaker 2: We have a newsletter with market score stuff by Brandon

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Speaker 2: Gadula already yep, okay, so just went out and again

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Last week, when I was drafting on the late

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Speaker 2: I don't know if they did or not, But like

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Speaker 1: All the time, Neil revealed that he's been drafted, had

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Speaker 2: And with that being said, JJ, we also have the

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Speaker 2: Draft Guide that's releasing July tenth. We're in the final

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I was getting really but then I

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Speaker 1: Draft Guide, when I do the positional breakdowns, is that

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Speaker 2: And speaking of you know, the July tenth date is

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Speaker 3: So with that being said, let's get into it.

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Speaker 2: It's today's news, today's fantasy news, all right. I just

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Speaker 3: Has like any sort of standalone value.

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00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,880
Speaker 2: But the fact is he said he's been working out

435
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 2: six days a week and he's not working out for nothing.

436
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 3: That's what he said.

437
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, by the way, I want to I

438
00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,640
Speaker 1: want to address this really quick. In the chat, says

439
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,640
Speaker 1: another season, another year, people bashing Kyron, yet he continues

440
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:44,320
Speaker 1: to produce. Okay, go look at his peripher Like last year, Yes,

441
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 1: he exceeded expectation, but not by much. Like the volume

442
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:52,400
Speaker 1: argument and the idea, the Rams offense was spectacular last year.

443
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,439
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford won MVP, and yet Kyrin Williams wasn't like

444
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 1: out of control league winning type player because they did.

445
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,200
Speaker 1: He is a volume dependent type back. Fortunately he sees

446
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,159
Speaker 1: a lot of goal one work. I'm not saying that

447
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 1: he's a fade. I'm not fading him at the moment.

448
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 1: But what I am saying is it's a volatile profile.

449
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,719
Speaker 1: Given how they started to deploy Blake Korum down the stretch,

450
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a very real like ding to

451
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 1: Kyon Williams upside when they started using Blake Korum more

452
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,479
Speaker 1: and more. So, Look, I get it, people I do

453
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 1: think that the narrative with like the bashing Tyne is

454
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 1: a little bit overblown. It's not like he's been the

455
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,959
Speaker 1: starter there for like that. People act like he's been

456
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 1: the starter for LA for like six years, and it's

457
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,360
Speaker 1: just like every year people are just bashing Karen Williams.

458
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,439
Speaker 1: He's fine, guys, I just don't think he has a

459
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 1: top five ceiling like legitimately. And then again, so like this,

460
00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: the question is Ramsdy is so much better this year?

461
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,120
Speaker 1: Don't you think they run more? Sure? I don't think

462
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 1: Kian Williams like a terrible pick. I'm just saying that

463
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 1: they don't throw to their running backs in the system

464
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 1: very frequently, and Blake Koram is getting more work in

465
00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 1: the offense, and it's a little bit scary. Like I

466
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 1: still think that when I make the point that Kiren

467
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 1: has a volatile profile, I think that's a pretty reasonable

468
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 1: take to have that that with Blake Koram there and

469
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 1: them coming off such an efficient season offensively, I don't

470
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 1: think we can just assume that continues year over year.

471
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 1: Let's talk about tight ends. Though you have Kyle Pitts

472
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 1: on here too, that we didn't talk about Kyle Pitts.

473
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was going to after the tight end U stuff,

474
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 2: Pits go back to the pit still three years, fifty four.

475
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 3: Million dollars for the Falcons.

476
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 2: You know, there were some possibilities that he might not go,

477
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 2: he might not stay with the Falcons or their trade him,

478
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 2: you know whatever, but he is there for at least

479
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 2: another three years.

480
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Pitts. Actually I wish I had more in

481
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: Best Ball because he does check a lot of like

482
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 1: the trends boxes in general that you would want. He

483
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 1: is in that like traditional like tight end dead zone

484
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: area where there's no correlation from like tight end seven

485
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: to tight end eighteen historically, which is a little bit scary,

486
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: but again there's just not that much competition there and

487
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 1: that's really what you're aiming for with a lot of

488
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 1: those players. So good for Kyle Pitts, you know, getting

489
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: the bag, getting some money, and really just having like

490
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 1: an unfair just having some unfair expectations attached to him,

491
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 1: I think is what that comes down to. I will say, though,

492
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 1: like we talked about this with the alarming stats, like

493
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: his numbers were pretty scary without or sorry with Drake

494
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 1: London last year, they were way better without Drake London,

495
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 1: so keep that in mind as well. And there's a

496
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: new system that's going to be in place there that

497
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: hypothetically could be favorable because Stefanski's been a pretty tight

498
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 1: end heavy coach in the past. But I don't think

499
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: it's a lock that that we know exactly. You know

500
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,679
Speaker 1: that Kyle Pitts is going to be a high end

501
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: tight end one, but Darren Waller looked kind of the

502
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: part last year when he got run for Miami. I

503
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,479
Speaker 1: wouldn't be shocked if he can find somewhere and like

504
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: be like a sixty fifty to sixty percent route share

505
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: guy and be a red zone threat kind of like

506
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:02,360
Speaker 1: what he played for with Miami. I mean, honestly, if

507
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 1: the if the Chargers hadn't signed David and Joku, you

508
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: got to wonder if maybe they were a team that

509
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: would want to go after him and and use them,

510
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 1: but maybe they wanted a little bit more of an

511
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: all around tight end than what Waller is at this point.

512
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think it's it's a player to monitor.

513
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if you draft him in Best Ball

514
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 1: right now, but it's at least a player to monitor,

515
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: you know, as the uh AS the summer goes along.

516
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 3: You're if you're found with a zero, he's available there

517
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 3: and the yeah.

518
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 1: There's a legit and there's very legit chance that he

519
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 1: would be a zero for you.

520
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 3: Say he wants to go to a contender.

521
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: Speaking of contenders, George Kittle looking good at tight end.

522
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 2: You we have some video of him running drills. I mean,

523
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 2: it just seems like he has defied all odds there.

524
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but look, there was an achilles injury

525
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: that apparently, according to doctors, wasn't in like the bad

526
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 1: part of the Achilles, So there people aren't as shocked

527
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: that he's able to bounce back. But I do think that,

528
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's two train like thoughts that I

529
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: have about Kittle. From a weekly up side perspective, you

530
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: could argue that almost no other tight end has as

531
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: much weekly upside as George Kittle does. Like in a

532
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: given week, we know that he can blow up. But

533
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 1: I do think that we have to be realistic and

534
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 1: realize that he's on the bad side from of the

535
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: age curve. He's coming off a pretty tough injury. You know,

536
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: they get Mike Evans, who's a red zone threat, So

537
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: like I don't think that you need to go crazy

538
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 1: for Kittle, but I do think that, you know, if

539
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: you haven't drafted Kittle, you probably should draft some Kittle

540
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: and have him as part of your portfolio. If you're

541
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: looking at this from a best ball perspective, and then

542
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 1: one season long starts, we'll see what is what is

543
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: where his ADP settles. I don't think that in season

544
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: long he's going to necessarily be like a target, but

545
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: I don't think he's avoid either, just because we know

546
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: the upsides in there.

547
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 3: Okay, we have more glowing talk.

548
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 2: Someone posted this on our discord in the News and

549
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 2: Rumors Channel, that Chig continues to impress there in Washington

550
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 2: and that he and Jane Daniels are getting on the

551
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 2: same page.

552
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 1: I'm glad I drafted a lot of chigacon Quo before

553
00:26:59,920 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 1: I wrote the draft guide this year, because the way

554
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: that your Titans deployed him last year was not great

555
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: from a predictive standpoint, and for me.

556
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,199
Speaker 2: They were such a vanilla offense last year and like

557
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,199
Speaker 2: they replaced their offensive cornertor in the middle of the season.

558
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, Look, we can excuse away a lot of

559
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: this stuff because some of the big things that Chig

560
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: does not, like check right are really poor per route

561
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: efficiency because the offense had was not very efficient through

562
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: the air, so obviously there's a correlation there, but also

563
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: he had a pretty low A dot last year, like

564
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: he was not getting down the field, and that's also

565
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: something that we want more of from previous season data,

566
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: Like if we get higher A dots from these tight ends,

567
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: it gives us signal of not only were they being

568
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: deployed as receivers, but they were downfield threats and that

569
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: show is probably a little bit of a talent profile

570
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: to be able to get some of those looks down

571
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: the field, and his weren't there last year and so

572
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: there are some like scary trends with him. But it's

573
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: a completely different environment for him, And if you look

574
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 1: at the team environment, you only have Terry McLaurin there

575
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: that you're seriously worried about, like like McLaurin is going

576
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: to project for a higher target share than a Conkuo will.

577
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: But outside him, there's a lot of question marks that

578
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: are already talking about, like a wide receiver rotation in

579
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,479
Speaker 1: that in that second spot, maybe they get a UK,

580
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: maybe they don't, but there's a very real chance that

581
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: a conk Wo, you know, is the number two target

582
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: getter on Washington this year. And if that's the case

583
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: in this new offense, that's pretty attractive. So I do

584
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: think that that he's still a pretty good late round pick.

585
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 3: Yeah.

586
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 2: Also, when he was in Tennessee, he you know, he

587
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 2: was having to compete with the Titan with the last

588
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 2: name of Helm, who has just dominated as well.

589
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 3: Yes, he might be one of my most owned tight ends.

590
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: He's top He's top four for me. Oh really, Yeah,

591
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: it's because I just get the late the late Titan

592
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: steck whenever I am anicking.

593
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, good, we're on our team. Gunner Hilm.

594
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you're taking a w now you're no. No,

595
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: last year I just said so.

596
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 3: Someone might have made fun of me last year for

597
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 3: last year.

598
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: Was I was I wrong?

599
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 2: I just well, we were talking about like the career.

600
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: I just think people were looking at his Yeah is

601
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: forty It was hurt.

602
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, anyways, isn't It wasn't like it wasn't like

603
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 4: a can't miss profile though, right, And he still might

604
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 4: not be you know that great, but you know, yeah,

605
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 4: he is one of your top four tight ends.

606
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 3: So maybe you do.

607
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 2: So not not ranked for the rest, right, Chris Lave cleared,

608
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: his ADP has dropped quite a bit. Yeah, just because

609
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 2: this news and now it looks like he's cleared. He's

610
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 2: gonna be off blood thinners you know here soon and

611
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 2: he'll I'll be back to playing football.

612
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

613
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I think that a lave. I've said

614
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: it before on the show, like I'm a little bit

615
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,239
Speaker 1: worried about what the target share could look like. I

616
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: like the Saints offense this year, so you know, I'm

617
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: throwing darts and I'm still drafting a lave. But a

618
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: lot of that has to do with the fact that

619
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: there's become this like more ambiguous area in round three

620
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: of these drafts, which is where a LAVE goes, so

621
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: it's a little bit easier to draft in there. I

622
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: think I still like DeVante Smith more than a Lave,

623
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: which is probably a contrarian take, but only maybe by

624
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: like a spot. It's not like dramatic or anything. And

625
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: so you know, and then once you get into like

626
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: the za Flower range and the Ladd range, I have

627
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: a Lave ahead of those guys at the moment. But

628
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,959
Speaker 1: I mean, we'll talk about one of them I today,

629
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: I think maybe both of them today. So I'll have

630
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: some more takes on Zay and Ladd. But I think

631
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: a Lave is fine where he goes. I just I

632
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: I worry about players who are coming off these like

633
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 1: career tart good share seasons. And obviously Alave was great,

634
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: and I'm an a Lave truther. I've loved him since

635
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: he entered the league. If you followed my work, I'm

636
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: just saying, like, if Jordan Tyson is healthy, I don't

637
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: think Chris Olave is going to see a higher than

638
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: a twenty seven percent target share more than likely when

639
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: he was at thirty percent last year, and so there

640
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: is some of that volume concern year over year, but

641
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: he can still pay off and be fine. So I'm

642
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: not He's not like someone that you got to like

643
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: clear fad. I'm just saying that there's gonna be some

644
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: people that are like really bullish, and I'm not part

645
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: of that group.

646
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,959
Speaker 2: Okay, there continues to be steam and like good things

647
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: said about Brian Thomas Junior there in Jacksonville. Apparently, you know,

648
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: it was reported that he and Trevor Lawrence weren't on

649
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 2: the same page for the past couple of years. The

650
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 2: chemistry this offseason has been building. He's going to be

651
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 2: a long distance threat for big plays. You know, what

652
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: are you doing with Brian Thomas Junior now compared to

653
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: Parker Washington.

654
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep the take of I am going

655
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: to draft these guys in Best Ball, and I'm probably

656
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: not going to be as excited in season long because

657
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: I do think there's a lot of good players. And

658
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: then they're also hyping up Breton Strange right now, Like

659
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot of love for Strange that he's gonna

660
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: be a focal point in the offense. Like, you can't

661
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: have four focal points in an offense. It just is

662
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: not you. It's just all that means that all these

663
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: guys are gonna see eighteen percent target shairs. You know,

664
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: so Brian Thomas Junior, Like, where did they go? Is fine?

665
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: I'm drafting both part. I know we were in a

666
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: draft together, uh, serendipitously a couple of days ago, and

667
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: you got the Parker Washington Btjuh.

668
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 3: You know, Tavor Lawrence.

669
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: And then Tee law in the next round stack, which

670
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: I think is the way to go in bat Like,

671
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: I think that's a great five to six type law

672
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: you know, at that at that turn area, just because

673
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: there's kind of like a drop and wide receiver talent

674
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: there or I mean, I really like the rookie tit

675
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: or rookie wide receivers. But regardless, like you can go

676
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: Parker Washington, you can get Brian Thomas, and then you

677
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: can get Trevor Lawrence and you've got a great stack there, right.

678
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: But but my my issue is that I think Parker

679
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: Washington checks a lot of boxes from from previous year

680
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: data and and his ascension and what he's been doing

681
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: or sorry, what he did, and he's getting a lot

682
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: of hype too. So I think I'm gonna keep Parker

683
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: Washington like one spot ahead of Brian Thomas for the

684
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: like for the time being, in like a full PPR format.

685
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: If you want to look at it from like a

686
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: standard perspective and go Brian Thomas, that's fine, just because

687
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: I think there's a little bit more touchdown upside. But yeah,

688
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I think my my opinion has not changed

689
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: from last week of just saying like these guys are

690
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: more attractive in best ball in my opinion, I'm not

691
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: saying you fade him in season long. But I'm not

692
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: gonna be as aggressive in season long as I am

693
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: in best ball.

694
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 3: Right now, what could happen? It would make you flip

695
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 3: them Before the.

696
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: Season we get word that Parker Washington is not going

697
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: to be playing in heavy personnel like that, and that's

698
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: a real possibility, that's a very real possibility. I don't

699
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: think that because like when I think could happen with

700
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: Jacksonville is because they're they're personnel right now. Is best

701
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: suited for eleven, is best suited for more, you know,

702
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: wide receivers in the field, because Jacoby Myers is there too,

703
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: who's good, Like he's a very solid player, and it's

704
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: bizarre to me that he's getting no love even though

705
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: I I, you know, I like the other two more.

706
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: But like Jacoby Myers like slips in drafts, like no

707
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: one cares about Jacoby Myers. So Andravis Hunter and Travis Hunters.

708
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: There you have. You have four really good wide receivers

709
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: and you force the issue a little bit at tight end.

710
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: Tanner Coozil is getting a lot of love, which is funny.

711
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: The day three guys that model liked him more than

712
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: what's his face? They drafted in round two. I've just

713
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: I've just ignored his last name at this point because

714
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: because such a knocking.

715
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 2: Uh.

716
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 3: Godoula is in the chat so he can tell us.

717
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, So like like it's it's it's Uh, it's one

718
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: of those situations where like I think they might start

719
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 1: the season and be like, we gotta go heavy because

720
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: this is the NFL meta, and we're going to force

721
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: the issue a little bit, and then they're gonna be

722
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: like why are we doing this? Why why is Parker

723
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: Washington not on the field more? And then we get

724
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: to see him more on the field and we're like, oh, right,

725
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: we dominated last year when we were able to rotate

726
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 1: these guys around more. Uh, and that's where this offense. Yeah,

727
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 1: Bo Ricker, I was or I don't even know how

728
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: to say it, bor Kirker or Kerkcher. Yeah, I always,

729
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 1: I always for some reason, he's he's the one player

730
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: in this entire draft class.

731
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 2: That that's honestly, Godula's fault for not phonetically uh just

732
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 2: going it out for you.

733
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: Yeah there you go. Uh. But yeah, like I just

734
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's it's a situation where I

735
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 1: think Jacksonville is just like what are we doing? And

736
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: they then go to the players a little bit more.

737
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: But BTJ like works better on the perimeter, and he

738
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: could be out there, you know, in these in the

739
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: heavy personnel more than Parker Washington. That's my fear with Washington.

740
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: That's where if we get a clearer picture there, that's

741
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: where I would I would flip them.

742
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 2: Okay, lots of tight end talk for today's news with

743
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 2: tight End week, and we are just going to continue

744
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: that with today's data.

745
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: Today's data, all.

746
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 3: Right, JJ, we have early round tight end hit rates.

747
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this one is a new one in the

748
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: guy this year and I thought it was really interesting.

749
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: So if you look at top six tight ends historically

750
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: and you look at their previous season touchdowns per game,

751
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: the tight ends who had a higher touchdowns per game. Now,

752
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: there's not a massive sample because we don't get a

753
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: ton of top six guys that qualified, you know, in

754
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: terms of games played and stuff like that from the

755
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: from the previous season. But but the players who so

756
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 1: I split this up by zero point four or fewer

757
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: touchdowns per game point four to point six touchdowns per game,

758
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: point six or more touchdowns per game, Okay, and you

759
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: get twenty eight in the first bucket, nineteen in the second,

760
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: and fourteen in the third. The guys in the third bucket,

761
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: the point six touchdowns per game are more in the

762
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: previous season. They've underperformed against expectation most the following year,

763
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: and it's likely because the market is looking at those

764
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: players and saying, hey, they were really good last year,

765
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: they're gonna be really good this year. Without factoring in

766
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: that touchdown regression is going to come. Not a single

767
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: one of them outperformed ADP expectation by four more PBR

768
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 1: points per game the following year. Only seven percent of

769
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: them did it by two or more points, and only

770
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 1: thirty six percent of them outperformed expectation, whereas the other

771
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: two groups you see a lot higher numbers, like much

772
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: bigger numbers. Now you look at the point four to

773
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: point six group, they've been very, very voluable. You get

774
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: high ceilings in low floors, which is likely because the

775
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: guys who are scoring a lot of touchdowns the previous

776
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: season probably have a talent profile associated with them that's

777
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: pretty good, and that's why they have better floors than

778
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 1: you would expect. But their ceilings aren't as good because

779
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: their ADP's are just too high, right, and then the

780
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: guys who didn't score many touchdowns at all the previous

781
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: year per game, they do very very well against expectation.

782
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 1: And so when you look at this year's landscape, the

783
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: big red flag here is Trey McBride, which is hilarious

784
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: because we were talking the opposite about Tree McBride throughout

785
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,879
Speaker 1: his career, but then last year, I mean I've talked

786
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: about it before. He had a crazy number of end

787
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: zone targets. He ran an absurd amount of routes. I mean,

788
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: Rich Reebar sent a tweet out today basically saying that

789
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: Trey McBride last year ran the equivalent of twenty two

790
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: games worth of routes at tight end. Like it was

791
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: like McBride is not going to see the same kind

792
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: of usage year over year. Marvin Rrison Junior is healthy, right,

793
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: So I think that this trend in particular is bad

794
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 1: for McBride. It makes brock Bauers, who's in the middle bucket,

795
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: a little bit more volatile. And then the other two

796
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: like elite tight ends this year are Tyler Warren and

797
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: Colson Loveland. And a lot of this stuff doesn't apply

798
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 1: as heavily to the year two guys. We just haven't

799
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: seen him any year one in year two guys in

800
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: the top six at tight end in general, I think

801
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 1: we've only had five since twenty fourteen, one rookie being

802
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: Kyle Pitts. But of those guys, they haven't performed very well.

803
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 1: But it's a small sample. And both those guys were

804
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: under that point four mark last year per game. So, uh,

805
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: this is a trend that I'm a little bit concerned

806
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: about regarding Trey McBride.

807
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 2: Okay, And we did have in the comments it's bor Kerture.

808
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, Borkracher. Yeah, that's what I've been saying.

809
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Brand said, I sent you guys a pronunciation

810
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: guy he.

811
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: Did, he had, And I'm like, I'm like, I've said

812
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: it so many times before in the show, Like I'm

813
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: very big on the pronunciation stuff with these players. But

814
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: I refuse to care at all about Nate Borkature.

815
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we don't.

816
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 2: We don't even care about blocking tight ends or you know,

817
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: anyone who's not gonna be relevant to our any of

818
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 2: our teams.

819
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 3: They're dead to us right now.

820
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, just wait till people clip this in two

821
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 1: years and he's a tight end three in fantasy football.

822
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 2: That's kind of what happened with Gunner Hill. Many people

823
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 2: are saying, all right, so let's get on to the

824
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 2: main event.

825
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 1: The late round, main event.

826
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 2: All right, again, this is market Score week. If you

827
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 2: haven't already after this episode, go back and listen to

828
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 2: market Score two point zero, the episode that dropped yesterday

829
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 2: on the podcast feed, where JJ is talking about JJ

830
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 2: is talking about basically revamping the market score. He and

831
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 2: Brandon revamping the market score. He just put on the

832
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,919
Speaker 2: sheet for the audio listeners. This is for fun.

833
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: This is a fun exercise, guys. Although Brandon and I

834
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: are working through some ideas of how we can get

835
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: projections from this, because we essentially have projections via comps

836
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: for players based on market score, which is very very cool.

837
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: But we're trying to figure out the best way to

838
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: sort of communicate some of those ideas. But what I'm

839
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: doing here on today's show with the main event is

840
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: I'm looking at players here in twenty twenty six, and

841
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: I looked at players who had similarity scores in the

842
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: past eighty or higher, so they were like eighty percent

843
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: matches or higher. And this is all based off of

844
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 1: career year that gets the lowest amount of weight positional ADP,

845
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: so where they're drafted within their position overall ADP, and

846
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: then obviously market score, right, so market score being something

847
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: that feeds off of ADP in general. You should listen

848
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: to the episode that dropped yesterday to get a better

849
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: idea of that. But anyway, this is for fun. I'm

850
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: looking at the top outcome among players who had a

851
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: comp that had an eighty similarity score or higher, so

852
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 1: a fairly decent comp. And then of those fairly decent comps,

853
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 1: here are the high end ones. And I picked out

854
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 1: ten that were just interesting to me. That's really what

855
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: this is. Okay, fun, it's fun. We're doing this for fun, guys. Okay.

856
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: The first one's Ashton Genty. I mentioned on the show

857
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: that he is the RB four by according to market

858
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: score right now. He is a head of Jonathan Taylor

859
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: in market score. Market score really likes gent you know,

860
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,240
Speaker 1: he's about tenth overall. But his number one ceiling comp

861
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: is Christian McCaffrey in twenty eighteen, which was also his

862
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: second year, where he was going RB ten gent RB

863
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: five right now, but he was going thirteenth overall, Gent

864
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: going tenth overall, and their market scores are very comparable.

865
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: Eighty point four for Gent, seventy nine point five for

866
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey, and that season, Christian McCaffrey scored twenty five

867
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: point four PPR points per game. I don't think Gent's

868
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: as prolific. This is an important caveat here is that

869
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: these are not stylistic comps at all. Like you could

870
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: get you know, one of them is very obviously not

871
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: a stylistic comp. But you could get a mobile quarterback

872
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: that we're looking at and he gets a pocket passer comp.

873
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: This is just based on those four factors of positional ADP,

874
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: overall ADP, a career year, and in market score. Right. So,

875
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: and also with the career year stuff, when you get

876
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: to like year seven, year eight, it kind of lumps

877
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: in year seven to like year fifteen is like the

878
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: same thing because they're just they're they're deep veterans at

879
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: that point. But Ashton genty Christian McCaffrey twenty eighteen, that's

880
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: the first comp.

881
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: Okay, next, this is interesting because we've had some talk

882
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 2: about this player. It's Garrett Wilson, and his comp is

883
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: Cooper Cup from twenty twenty one.

884
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, no big deal, just Cooper Cup when he scored

885
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,720
Speaker 1: twenty four point three PPR points per game. Yeah. I mean, look,

886
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: I've I have not been super high on Garrett Wilson

887
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 1: because of situation, but I probably should be a little

888
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: bit higher. And I'm looking at his market score right now,

889
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: and it's it's dead even at zero. Okay, So like

890
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: like he's he's basically in terms of above a below expectations.

891
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: It's fifty five point nine is what his market score is,

892
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: which is what we would expect for a player that's

893
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: going at his overall ADP at wide receivers. So Garrett,

894
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: what it's basically saying is that, like Garret Wilson should

895
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: be a three to four player, right. The thing is,

896
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:06,280
Speaker 1: though his high end comp eighty plus similarity scores Cooper

897
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: Cup in twenty twenty one, when he scored twenty four

898
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: point three PPR points per game both year five guys,

899
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: fairly comparable market score only about a point or two away,

900
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: very comparable overall wide receiver pick and fairly close seven

901
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: points apart or seven spots apart in overall ADP. It's

902
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: making me think a little bit differently about Garret Wilson.

903
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: I'm still more on the fade side than the target side,

904
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: but it is making me feel a little bit different

905
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: about them.

906
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 2: Okay, we have next, Chase Brown and DeMarco Murray from

907
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen with the Dallas Cowboys.

908
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 1: This is a really close comp, very very close comp,

909
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 1: because you look at their overall ADP, it's only one

910
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 1: spot apart their positional ADP one spot apart. Their market

911
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: score is point seven away from one another, and they're

912
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: both in year four and DeMarco Murray that year scored

913
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 1: twenty two Fantasy points per game PPR points per game,

914
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: So I think this is another Chase Brown generally has

915
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: pretty good comps. Market scores views him favorably, so it's

916
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: just another reason why I've been buying into Chase Brown

917
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: and best ball so far.

918
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 3: All right, s Next, we have Justin Herbert and Tom

919
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 3: Brady from twenty fifteen.

920
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is what I'm saying, So like, that's

921
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's sixteenth NFL he season, which is also crazy

922
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: because it was twenty fifteen and seems like he just.

923
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 3: Played for a long time year.

924
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, I mean, like this is that that

925
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,919
Speaker 1: year tom Brady scored almost twenty three points per game

926
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: QB eight for Justin Herbert. This year, tom Brady was

927
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: QB six overall. Adp on is tight. This wasn't as

928
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: close of a similarity score as some of the others,

929
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: but I wanted to throw a couple quarterbacks in there.

930
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: Market score fifty one point three versus fifty point seven.

931
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: Right now, from a market score standpoint, I can pull

932
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: it up. But right now, from a market score standpoint,

933
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: Justin Herbert looks pretty favorable. He's at a fifty one

934
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: point three market score quarterback. If you were to sort

935
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: that for this year, he's he's a top ten quarterback. So, uh,

936
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: the market score likes Justin Herbert decent enough, you know

937
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: in general, and uh, you know having that comp of

938
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: Tom Brady can't hurt.

939
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's also when I think Gronk went off as well.

940
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 2: But you should know that this could happen because if

941
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 2: you hear, if you've if you've heard Mike McDaniels telling

942
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 2: everybody that they're going to be Hall of Fame players,

943
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 2: that they remind him of Hall of Fame players.

944
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: I love the charge. I don't care how chalky it is. Yeah,

945
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: I'm all in on the Chargers this year. Yeah, I

946
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: don't care how chalky it is.

947
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 3: That of Mario and Hampton reminds him of Trel Davis.

948
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so funny, you know.

949
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 2: Uh And and that QJ could be like the you know,

950
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 2: one of the best, uh you know inside the five

951
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,439
Speaker 2: wide receivers. He's just he's pumping them up and I'm

952
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: and I'm here for it. So why not have a

953
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 2: ceiling comp for for Herbert to Tom Brady? This one

954
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: was the one I found interesting the cover Boys A

955
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: Flowers comped to DeAndre Hopkins in twenty seventeen.

956
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: All right, so I wasn't as in on Za last year.

957
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: He really boosted his numbers in a worthless Fantasy football

958
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: week to be clear, Like he was not very usable

959
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: from like a ceiling perspective for a lot of the year,

960
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: and then you know, towards the end, like especially I

961
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: think it was Week eighteen when he had like a crazy,

962
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 1: crazy week and then everyone's like he was a top

963
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: ten wide. It's like, okay, let's let's be realistic about

964
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: what was you.

965
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 2: Week sixteen he did knock me out of a bestball change.

966
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: I mean, was he was better. You know, obviously when

967
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: you know Lamar got hurt and stuff. But even when

968
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: Lamar was healthy, there weren't like it was. It was

969
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 1: Zay Flowers as a floor play rather than the ceiling play.

970
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: For the most part, there were some ceiling games. So

971
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: I wasn't that into Zay last year. This year, the

972
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: more I've researched, the more I've written in the draft guide,

973
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: the more I look at market score, the more I

974
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: think Zay Flowers is one of the best picks you

975
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: can make a wide receiver. So you get DeAndre Hopkins

976
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen as his top ceiling comp which is, you know,

977
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: an eighty similarity score or better. But just outside that

978
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: is Jackson Smith and Jigbos twenty twenty five for Jay Flowers. Like,

979
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: there's so many good comps and so many of the

980
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: trends that I look for in this range of the draft.

981
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: Zay Flowers checks that box, So I'll me moving him

982
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: up my rankings. I think he I honestly think I'm

983
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 1: to the point where he probably deserves to be more

984
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: in that DeVante Smith Chris a lave tier than the

985
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 1: Luther Burden, Lad McConkie. You know, uh, Jalen Wattell, Terry

986
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 1: McLaurin type tier. Like, I think there's a very real

987
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 1: chance with a new like the biggest wildcard is new

988
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: offensive environment. But I think that new offensive environment'd be

989
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: a good thing for ye say so. Yeah, I mean,

990
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 1: like the the DeAndre Hopkins comp very much aligns overall

991
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 1: ADP and you know NFL year all that kind of stuff,

992
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: and his his PPR points per game that year DeAndre

993
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: Hopkins was twenty point seven. I don't know if we

994
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: get that highwa A because he hasn't been that much

995
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: of a of a red zone threat, but if the

996
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: switching offensive coordinator, like part of the reason is that

997
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: he just has not been deployed in the red zone

998
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: like at all, and if that changes in any way,

999
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: there's definitely a ceiling there for Flowers. So I'm in

1000
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: on Zay this year. I think he's a good pick

1001
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: and I got to move him up my rankings.

1002
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, we've talked about the other offenses,

1003
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 2: but as far as this new offense, I think there

1004
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,840
Speaker 2: was a Lamar Jackson where he's talking about how the

1005
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: offense is blowing his mind.

1006
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 3: Lamar, it might be my second highest zone quarterback right now.

1007
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, I'll say this market score has

1008
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: I mean has Ja and Hurts right ahead of Lamar.

1009
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: So Lamar's QB three technically, but yes I have I

1010
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: have Lamar QB two. Zay Flowers at wide receiver eleven

1011
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,720
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah, he's right after Drake London, Who's after

1012
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: George Picktt. Basically that that range goes Nico Collins from

1013
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 1: market score perspective, Nico Collins, A J. Brown, George Pickens,

1014
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: Drake London, Zay Flowers, and then it's Chris Olave, DeVante Smith,

1015
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: you know, T Mac Mecha, Buka, T Higgins. Right. So,

1016
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: a little little spoiler alert for those of you who

1017
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 1: are getting the Draft Guide, because in the Draft Guide

1018
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 1: we are going to list market scores and update that

1019
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 1: weekly based on ADP because their scores will change. But uh,

1020
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 1: Zay Flowers. Man, it's just a lot of the things

1021
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: are a lot of things are coming together from a

1022
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: numbers driven perspective, and I like, I think he's a

1023
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: really good player too. He's always been a really good

1024
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 1: player per route run. I even noted that last year

1025
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: in the guide. It's just that the situation hasn't really

1026
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: been there for him. But what if the situation is

1027
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: there for him this year?

1028
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1029
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 2: Should be fun, all right, Lad McConkey. We just talked

1030
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 2: about his Chargers team. Can comp to Chris Godwin in

1031
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen?

1032
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Lad. So if you look at his comps,

1033
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: his market score comps, they're very, very volatile, which is

1034
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: not surprising because he had a pretty ify twenty twenty

1035
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: five when you look at like first downs per out

1036
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 1: run or yards per out run, whatever the case may be. Now,

1037
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: Marcus score has him as a pretty neutral player, so

1038
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: he's going where he probably should be going. In his

1039
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: top comp is Chris Goblin's twenty nineteen where he scored

1040
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 1: almost twenty PPR points per game. It was Chris Godwin's

1041
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: best career season, if I recall correctly. So it's good

1042
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,719
Speaker 1: news for Lad that he has that. But there are

1043
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: I talk about this in the mailbag that's going to

1044
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: come out on Friday, there are still some concerning parts

1045
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: of Lad's profile, which is another reason why it's just

1046
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: easier to elevate Ze Flowers above him and just drafts

1047
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: A and not have to worry about the volatility as

1048
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: much because it's not like the Ravens offense is likely

1049
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 1: to be really, really bad when Lamar Jackson's their quarterback. Now,

1050
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 1: I do like the Chargers offense more, but there's a

1051
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: little bit more that we're working against with Ladd versus Day.

1052
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 2: This next one made me laugh or chuckle. Brock Bowers

1053
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 2: is comp Trey mcbrideen twenty twenty five.

1054
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, they both have perfect market scores of one hundred.

1055
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: Browers the tight end one, McBride the tight end two.

1056
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 1: Last year. McBride went a little bit later than where

1057
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,760
Speaker 1: Bowers is going right now. But this is a situation

1058
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: where I do, like I said this on the Market

1059
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: Score show, market score is obsessed with brock Bowers, like

1060
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: thinks that he should be firmly a first round pick. Now,

1061
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go that far because you know,

1062
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: there's opportunity cost related things, and there's it. You know,

1063
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: market score is looking at these players like it does

1064
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,879
Speaker 1: use wide receiver expected points via ADP and running back

1065
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. So like market scores can

1066
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: change based on their their teammate ADPs as well. But

1067
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 1: with that being said, it's not working in conjunction necessarily

1068
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: with the other positions. And to show you where these

1069
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: players should go overall, Like, it's not it's not going

1070
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 1: to recognize as well that brock Bowers is a tight

1071
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: end and most leagues don't value tight ends very highly,

1072
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. It's looking at his oracle adp

1073
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 1: and where these tight ends have generally gone. And this

1074
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: is basically telling me the brock Bauer stuff that we're

1075
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: in like old school Gronk territory, Travis Kelsey territory, you

1076
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like this is this is what

1077
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: we should be expecting with brock Bauers this year, is

1078
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: that there's a very real chance that he gives us

1079
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: that like really truly elite tight end season. And look,

1080
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: Trey McBride last year, was that right? He scored almost

1081
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 1: nineteen PPR points per game?

1082
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 3: Okay?

1083
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 2: Uh, This next one, Devon Chan versus or is comped

1084
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 2: with Todd Gurley in twenty seventeen.

1085
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 1: The really interesting part about a Chan and market score

1086
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: is that he doesn't grade that poorly. I think right

1087
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: now I'm looking, he's the RB nine in market Score.

1088
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: So that's fine. That's about where he is. Where he's going, right,

1089
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: because he's the the RB nine and positional ADP. The

1090
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: problem is that when you really uncover things and you

1091
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,439
Speaker 1: look the comps for a CHAN are scary, like there's

1092
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: just a lot of low end outcomes that you know,

1093
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: if you were to look at the point game projections,

1094
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: if you take the top ten comps and you weigh

1095
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 1: similarity scores versus the points per game that those players scored,

1096
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: and you kind of project a point per game output

1097
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: for these players, which is what I was talking about.

1098
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: Brandon and I are working on right now devon. A

1099
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,959
Speaker 1: chan's point per game projection is worst among top twelve

1100
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: running backs right now, so you know this comp is good.

1101
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 1: Todd Curley in twenty seventeen scored twenty six PPR points

1102
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: per game, and so you know that's that's obviously a

1103
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: really good outcome for him, and there's a lot of

1104
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: alignment there with overall ADP, their their career year and

1105
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 1: market score. But at the same time, I do think

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00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: that a CHAN is a very very volatile asset where

1107
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: there is a low floor unfortunately, despite him being a

1108
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: very very talented player.

1109
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 3: All right, next Thuless, we have Jackson Dart and his

1110
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 3: comp is to Lamar Jackson in twenty nineteen.

1111
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, only Lamar Jackson's MVP season his second year in

1112
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: the league, where he broke Fantasy football and scored twenty

1113
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: twenty eight points per game. Look, I mean undenial. The

1114
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: marks that we're looking at here for comps are very similar,

1115
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 1: very similar. Overall. ADP QB eleven versus QB twelve market

1116
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 1: scores are about to point apart, and they're both year

1117
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: two guys. You have to keep in mind that this

1118
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: is an objective way to measure things. Market score is

1119
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: and it looks at Jackson Dart and what he did

1120
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: last year as a rusher, and it says, wow, this

1121
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 1: is actually pretty impressive, which it was pretty impressive, But

1122
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily know that he's not Lamar Jackson, you know,

1123
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: from a athleticism standpoint and consistency standpoint and what we

1124
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: should expect from a rushing perspective. What this comp tells

1125
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 1: me is that Jackson Dart I think is a really

1126
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 1: high upside pick and in a regular season long league

1127
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: that should go a long way. Like that's that's the

1128
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: kind of quarterback that you should be going after because

1129
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: you can make up for the mistake it's not as

1130
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 1: attractive and best ball because he's not easy to stack

1131
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: either right now, you know, it's like he's not as

1132
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: attractive and best ball in my opinion, whereas especially because

1133
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 1: you can gobble up three quarterbacks and like you know,

1134
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,919
Speaker 1: have spiked weeks in the right at the right time

1135
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: and such. But I do think in a regular season

1136
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: longly Jackson Dart is gonna make a lot of sense. Uh,

1137
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: we can make the downside case very easily, but I

1138
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: don't really care about downside when it comes to my

1139
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: quarterback when when I'm drafting him relatively late. So it's

1140
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 1: a crazy comp totally understand that. Not stylistic, but it

1141
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: is showing you that there's a pretty high ceiling there

1142
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:19,399
Speaker 1: with Dart.

1143
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll push back a little bit and say,

1144
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 2: you know, he has dropped a little bit in.

1145
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 3: On DraftKings, yeah, drafts, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1146
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 2: So I think from where he is because people are

1147
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 2: comparing him, you know too that Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts,

1148
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 2: Jaydon Daniels tire and saying, you know, how much difference

1149
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 2: really are they with that?

1150
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 3: With that drop?

1151
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 2: All right, next we have and I think he's the

1152
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 2: last one. Luthor Burden and Keenan Allen from twenty fifteen.

1153
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: So as Brandon's newsletter today said, Luthor Burdon has some

1154
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: scary like there are definitely some scary comps for luth Burton,

1155
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:00,800
Speaker 1: but we're only looking at ceiling comps here, and Keenan

1156
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 1: Allen was the one who stood out most. I wanted

1157
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: to throw that in here just because I think Burden

1158
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: is one of the more polarizing players this season. Market

1159
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: scores is not gonna love players who are in these

1160
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 1: offenses that have multiple early round pass catchers, just because

1161
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: it's looking at more of like a median, more of

1162
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: a projection than anything else. And obviously, if from Adonze

1163
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 1: is being drafted Worre he's being drafted, of Colson Lovelin's

1164
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: being drafted where he's being drafted, then that's that tells

1165
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: us that there's a pretty decent competition for Burden. And

1166
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: so this is where I do think comps and looking

1167
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: at comps can be helpful because you can see, oh wait,

1168
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 1: what if there is a player that kind of emerges

1169
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: from you know, those types of situations, or what if

1170
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: there's a play you know, are there players in the

1171
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: past that have been in this situation and done well.

1172
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,919
Speaker 1: And for Luther Burden, the top comp was Keenan Allen

1173
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen, who scored twenty PPR points per game.

1174
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: I'm very much still in on Luther Burden. Market score

1175
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: doesn't like him as much as I do, but I'm

1176
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: still drafting Luther Burden in that tier with like a

1177
00:57:55,200 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: t mac in ameca abuca.

1178
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:04,600
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