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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Cowboys. This is the
Speaker 1: Players Lounge, broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at
Speaker 1: the Star. Now your hosts Barry Church, Danny McCray, and
Speaker 1: Newey Scrugs. Here we are. It is Tuesday. It is
Speaker 1: the day after the day after the Cowboys lost in
Speaker 1: surprising passion Wildcard game at home to the San Francisco
Speaker 1: forty nine Ers. The players lunch about you by Hotels
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Speaker 1: the LSU Tiger himself, former national champion. He is Danny McCray.
Speaker 1: Thank you, And we have the three times Super Bowl
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Speaker 1: Black College Hall of Fame Florida A and Ms Nick
Speaker 1: new Thank you for having me on y'all show man.
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. They put me on y'all
Speaker 1: man and put this award on y'all. But I'm here.
Speaker 1: We're buried. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I don't know
Speaker 1: who he is. Oh so clean? This microphone off his headphone. Now,
Speaker 1: you don't know who you are Church, Church taking the
Speaker 1: day off here and look in some ways, but why not?
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, really, what what else can we
Speaker 1: know about this? He told me doing the Polist game show.
Speaker 1: It's like it's over. It's over. I'm like, noa, we
Speaker 1: got a few more podcasts, a few more obligations to
Speaker 1: the team. You know, we are a team. You're like, man,
Speaker 1: forget the team. Man, I'm Church. I'm like, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, Church, you for real, I see that. Sometimes
Speaker 1: you gotta take care of yourself, you know, when you
Speaker 1: when you get put on this emotional roller coaster, alright,
Speaker 1: and you talk about the team every day every week,
Speaker 1: and then you go out there and you watch what
Speaker 1: happened to us on Sunday. That's probably the feeling that
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Speaker 1: know what happened at when it's over with you come
Speaker 1: you come in that next day, you see your friends
Speaker 1: get cut, they put they are packing up things, they stuff.
Speaker 1: You had your last meetings with your coaches, and then
Speaker 1: that's it. So Church, you know, he freshly out of
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Speaker 1: You were right, Danny mccraige, moving up the face the
Speaker 1: forty nineties and stead of playing the Cardinals, watching the
Speaker 1: Cardinals and laid down last night against Rams. I turned
Speaker 1: it off. I'm watching the game. I turned it off
Speaker 1: after the first half, like Billy mc craig. Mc craige
Speaker 1: was hitting on point. Yeah, Arizona not ready for primetime
Speaker 1: at all, not ready for the playoffs, and the Cowboys
Speaker 1: face the forty nine styles make fights. The forty nine
Speaker 1: ers style was not something the Cowboys who could play with.
Speaker 1: They ended up losing, and man, so you think we
Speaker 1: would have had a better chance still after watching how
Speaker 1: we performed on Sunday against the Arizona Cardinals, who we
Speaker 1: had played Preva two weeks previously, and put up essentially
Speaker 1: the same type of offensive performance. You think so, I
Speaker 1: think so. I think so, I do I do? I
Speaker 1: think so. That's just me and it's all for not
Speaker 1: because the Cowboys ended up losing, losing his football game here. So, Nate,
Speaker 1: you and I haven't talked it. You know you haven't
Speaker 1: talked to Danny and I. So give us your initial
Speaker 1: thoughts on this team losing this type of game at
Speaker 1: home three point favorite. So much going your way on
Speaker 1: a twelve and five season and to have it ended.
Speaker 1: You know, I just knew Danny. I'm not excluding you,
Speaker 1: but Danny, you could not have not told me as
Speaker 1: a player, an ex player. That's why I'm going at
Speaker 1: him like listen that I that my defense cannot get
Speaker 1: up for one game and be physical and out hit
Speaker 1: a team whose one dimensional Who told me all I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do is run the ball I'm only gonna throw
Speaker 1: out of necessity. You couldn't have told me that. We
Speaker 1: couldn't have did that for one game. And not only
Speaker 1: did we hand it to him, we said, hey, y'all,
Speaker 1: flip of a coin. We ain't going out there first.
Speaker 1: We send in our defense out there. You let the
Speaker 1: bully do what it do best. Early in the game
Speaker 1: and gave up seven points. What do you think the
Speaker 1: players was thinking? Now, Hi, game over, bro, game was over.
Speaker 1: I told him stand back, and I told her, I
Speaker 1: said game over. So you gave him the game, So
Speaker 1: so you But you think that that bled over into
Speaker 1: the offensive mindset as well. That the thing is when
Speaker 1: you got Bolsa and you got armed Stead and you
Speaker 1: got Warner coming down hill now because they know your
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator, or we'll do a we'll do a taken
Speaker 1: run there. We're not gonna stay with this now they're
Speaker 1: coming down hill. I've watched the film because I am
Speaker 1: critical of myself, not to be critical on these players,
Speaker 1: but when you see starting with Bosa on my boy
Speaker 1: Collins and he fighting for his life, not to protect
Speaker 1: that but to protect himself. And when you see fifty two,
Speaker 1: the dude ran over him so bad to he grad
Speaker 1: a dude to keep the dude from trampling him. That
Speaker 1: was not nice. That was not when I saw that
Speaker 1: right there to matter that, I say, coach, you got
Speaker 1: to run the ball just to get these guys mindset
Speaker 1: going in a different way because now we're backing up
Speaker 1: and we're getting beat. Now you got to go forward.
Speaker 1: Say give them some momentum, coach call, They give them
Speaker 1: no momentum. So so to your point though, because you
Speaker 1: started talking about the defense, and it was it was
Speaker 1: a rough start, especially the part of being physical. But
Speaker 1: then you have an offense who's watching this happen to
Speaker 1: your defense, right, And it's the same thing you say
Speaker 1: about helping your offensive line out. When you don't come
Speaker 1: out and throw the ball three times, you have to
Speaker 1: put a drive together so your defense can have some
Speaker 1: time to figure out what they need to do. Instead,
Speaker 1: you continue to put them out there back to back
Speaker 1: because you are not able to establish the run and
Speaker 1: play balanced football. Right, so you can say, hey, man,
Speaker 1: we've been are you're leaning on the defense to get
Speaker 1: four turnovers here? For four turnovers there? All right, when
Speaker 1: it's your turn to help out the defense, you got
Speaker 1: to show up. Yeah. Now. And I asked this question,
Speaker 1: were we down more than ten points at any time
Speaker 1: in the first half? Well, I'm asking the question. Thirteen
Speaker 1: nothing in the first half. We get a field goal, right,
Speaker 1: so now it's we're only down by ten. We're only
Speaker 1: down by ten. You're at home and for the most part,
Speaker 1: you have the crowd you can start running the ball
Speaker 1: here and there, then your quarterback and then telling your
Speaker 1: quarterback one to take off, one to take off, or
Speaker 1: that what do they call it? Option pass? Where you look?
Speaker 1: Look what happened? Man? What happened? You're only down by
Speaker 1: ten points? You get the ball? You okay, maybe your
Speaker 1: game playing work. You come out, you get the ball first.
Speaker 1: Better Still, we're gonna block. We're gonna rough the problem.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get you another shot. Nah run so nah
Speaker 1: so listening to you, gentlemen, both right here on the
Speaker 1: players brought to you by Hotels dot Com. You weren't
Speaker 1: happy with the play calling from the play caller Kellen Moore.
Speaker 1: I can't be man, because I gotta feel for Lyo.
Speaker 1: I gotta feel for for my center. I gotta feel
Speaker 1: for my left guard, and I gotta feel for Tyrone.
Speaker 1: He played injured all year. He came back trying to
Speaker 1: play injured. It don't fall off that quick. Now, maybe
Speaker 1: next year he'll be bad, but you don't fall off
Speaker 1: from having a good year and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: you just come back and get slammed by a guy
Speaker 1: you don't even know. No, you've played, you tried to
Speaker 1: play through this injury. Then it caught up with you.
Speaker 1: But your offensive coordinator did not give you all your
Speaker 1: Your offensive line coach did not stand up on the
Speaker 1: bench or threatened to go up there and say, man,
Speaker 1: we need to do something different because I gotta get
Speaker 1: my guys going forward. These guys stayed on their heels
Speaker 1: the whole I mean literally on their heels the whole game,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, with with with two
Speaker 1: minutes or something else. Now you're trying to roll forward.
Speaker 1: That's hard to do. That's I've been in there before
Speaker 1: the fourth member the forty nine ers game went up there,
Speaker 1: they at us a live because we was going backwards
Speaker 1: the whole while the second one. Yeah, well, this is
Speaker 1: what happens when you go out there in Week one
Speaker 1: and you decide not to run the ball because you
Speaker 1: believe that your offensive line is going to be outmatched
Speaker 1: by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers defensive line. And you set
Speaker 1: that president of like, oh, you know, we actually played
Speaker 1: a great game against Tampa. No we didn't. You went
Speaker 1: out there and you let them turn you into a
Speaker 1: one dimensional team, and then in your mind you said,
Speaker 1: when I throw the ball out there, it's on a
Speaker 1: jailbreak screen. That's an extension of the run. That ain't
Speaker 1: an extension of the run. Like for our offense, I
Speaker 1: do not want to hear an extension of the run
Speaker 1: again if you're not going to run the ball. And
Speaker 1: that started in week one, and then we had like
Speaker 1: maybe two games in between where it was like, okay,
Speaker 1: Parlor and Zeke actually had good games, but that wasn't
Speaker 1: that weren't games where we said we came out and
Speaker 1: said that this this is what we're gonna do. We're
Speaker 1: gonna go our head bullet these guys and established a run.
Speaker 1: It was it was kind of just based off the
Speaker 1: play call, like it's working, so let's let's go ahead
Speaker 1: and do it. And then you get to the last
Speaker 1: game of the season and you look in the same
Speaker 1: way you look at in the first game, and you're
Speaker 1: not able to run the ball, even when you realize
Speaker 1: that this defensive line is giving you trouble. You know,
Speaker 1: you know, the guys on my show said they in
Speaker 1: the Access a week ago, they at the season, end
Speaker 1: of the day and the Cowboys lose that first playoff game,
Speaker 1: would you be okay? I said, yeah, I'll be okay.
Speaker 1: They say why, I say, because we have been a
Speaker 1: good team all year. They have given the fans a
Speaker 1: good show. Because I even though you hear me say
Speaker 1: every year, I'm going seventeen and old, used to be
Speaker 1: sixteen and old. But I always try to be very
Speaker 1: objective and tell the truth during the week before I
Speaker 1: set out on on Friday. You cannot, I repeat, you
Speaker 1: can tell truth, man on the microphone. Might as well
Speaker 1: tell the truth. I'm no, that's what that's what that is,
Speaker 1: what that is why we do the show. That's why
Speaker 1: it's the play. This is the player's laue. You're a
Speaker 1: players to play. This is where you need to tell
Speaker 1: the truth. Now, I'm telling you know what, man, You
Speaker 1: know we can't do it like this. We just can't
Speaker 1: do it like this. You you you we had we
Speaker 1: had too much talent, man, And I know they had
Speaker 1: Nick Bosa. I know they had didn't in the second half,
Speaker 1: and I know you have Warner. There was a there
Speaker 1: was a beast. But you cannot let three guys dictate
Speaker 1: the game. You just you just you know what happened
Speaker 1: when we ran the ball. We talked about this yesterday.
Speaker 1: When we ran the ball, you came out what's the drive?
Speaker 1: We had six runs, we scored touchdown, We're running the ball,
Speaker 1: we're moving at the OFFICI line. Looks like they're getting
Speaker 1: in the groove. Like, Man, I'm not on my heels
Speaker 1: at this point. Now, I'm getting to establish my strength
Speaker 1: and show these guys a little payback for what they've
Speaker 1: been doing to us in the past. Right, and you
Speaker 1: get six runs I'm talking about you moved down the
Speaker 1: field quick, easy, smooth, and you only end up with
Speaker 1: Zeke having twelve total. You had six rounds on one drive.
Speaker 1: Let me walk you through that drive. Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: First and ten at the Dallas thirty three, Zekiel Elliott
Speaker 1: five yards second and five of the dollars thirty eight
Speaker 1: Zekiel Elliott five yards first and ten the Dallas forty three,
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard eight yards second and two forty nine yard line,
Speaker 1: Cede Lamb five yards first and ten. San Francisco forty four,
Speaker 1: Tony Paul one yard second and nine. San Francisco forty three.
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott short left passed to Cedric Wilson eighteen yards
Speaker 1: first and ten forty nine is twenty five Tony Pollard
Speaker 1: five yards second to five nine twenty Tony Pollard no game,
Speaker 1: third and five, San Francisco twenty, Mary Cooper twenty yard pass.
Speaker 1: So the drive was nine plays, sixty seven yards four
Speaker 1: twenty seven and you had six runs. And I can
Speaker 1: guarantee the next drive didn't sound like that. Let me
Speaker 1: ask let me ask you guys this man, how do
Speaker 1: you rate a Maari Cooper? I made it is can
Speaker 1: he go to another team and be another team's number one?
Speaker 1: Or he just glorified two? I mean, really, man, give
Speaker 1: me what you think about Amari Cooper. You first, I'll
Speaker 1: start it. You have a number one in cd Land
Speaker 1: got in the ball. Mark Cooper is a one, But
Speaker 1: I don't feel that the play caller utilizes him in
Speaker 1: such fashion. If he was in Arizona, Cliff Kingsbury would
Speaker 1: use him in the way he uses DeAndre Hopkins. If
Speaker 1: he was in Green Bay, Aaron Rodgers would get in
Speaker 1: the ball. Cooper Cup, Okay, I think if you talk
Speaker 1: about this talent as a receiver, I think Maria Cooper
Speaker 1: is more talented than Cooper Cup. But Matthew Stafford, Show
Speaker 1: McVay get Cooper Cup football. You are dealing with a player,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, who's underutilized. This is the same guy
Speaker 1: when the Cowboys three to five they make the trade
Speaker 1: for him. He is the difference maker and then making
Speaker 1: the playoffs and Jason Garrett being able to save his
Speaker 1: job because they got a playmaker there. But if I
Speaker 1: don't get my playmaker the ball, you get what you're getting.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, yeah, I think him the same way
Speaker 1: as I think of Zeke, same way I think of
Speaker 1: CD Lamb. The offensive coordinator has to find a way
Speaker 1: to get these guys the ball. Specifically, when you watch
Speaker 1: a San Francisco forty nine a team, they are going
Speaker 1: to get Deebo Samue the ball. They're gonna get I
Speaker 1: used the ball they have. They have certain plays drawn
Speaker 1: up for these guys where there's no other option. The
Speaker 1: ball is gonna be in this dude's hand and we're
Speaker 1: gonna see what he can do with it. When it
Speaker 1: comes to our offense, it's exs and os and it's hey,
Speaker 1: if you look this way, this dude should be open
Speaker 1: based off the coverage and instead of it being hey man,
Speaker 1: it's man on man at this point, all right, I'm
Speaker 1: lining up in three by one, putting four strong. Amari
Speaker 1: Cooper is gonna be on the backside man the man,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna call whatever route he likes the best,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna throw that route, and we lose. We
Speaker 1: lost it, but we're gonna continue to do this. He's
Speaker 1: gonna get this option ten to eleven times per game
Speaker 1: because we believe that he is the best route runner
Speaker 1: in the league. Is set around the league, right, not
Speaker 1: just the Cowboys bias. Around the league. People are saying
Speaker 1: that Mary's Cooper route running is second to none, and
Speaker 1: we're not utilizing that at all. So that's why I
Speaker 1: got quiet before, because I'm saying to myself, you have
Speaker 1: let a dude that can set coverage stand out there
Speaker 1: and they don't have to. They don't have to respect
Speaker 1: him because you don't respect now, just just pointing this out,
Speaker 1: just just in fairness. Cooper had ten targets in the game.
Speaker 1: Ten targets. He had six catches. Win in the first series.
Speaker 1: I just got started the second third series. And what
Speaker 1: about the last player of the game who you threw
Speaker 1: the ball too? And and and he was the second
Speaker 1: with hing Centric Wilson had ten targets and five catches.
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb had five targets, one catch. Um Dalton Schultz
Speaker 1: with eight targets, seven catches. Here, when I'm looking at
Speaker 1: who are the playmakers for the Cowboys and how they
Speaker 1: got into the ball, um, that to me, if I'm
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones, I'm not happy with Meanwhile, on the other side, uh,
Speaker 1: the leading receiver for the forty Niners, Brandon Iu. He
Speaker 1: had six targets for Um five catches. Deebo Samuel had
Speaker 1: three targets. And keep in mind they ain't throw the
Speaker 1: ball back. Yeah, they only threw the ball twenty five times.
Speaker 1: But Deebo did have twenty six yard touchdown run coming
Speaker 1: out of the backfield. Yeah. Yeah, he had ten rushes
Speaker 1: after the turnover, after turnover in your own territory, you know,
Speaker 1: change the position, get you like that. I'm not taking
Speaker 1: them away from the defense, but you at this point,
Speaker 1: you have giving the ball over your own territory and
Speaker 1: your defense. As much as they're getting bullied, they're giving
Speaker 1: up field goals. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. They
Speaker 1: had twenty three points. This is this This shouldn't you know.
Speaker 1: This ain't about no defense. This is not about no defense.
Speaker 1: This is not about that. This is about putting your
Speaker 1: defense at a disadvantage over and over and over, and
Speaker 1: you started by when they flipped that coin. Your offense
Speaker 1: should have been what was walking out? If I'm dak,
Speaker 1: I just ran out of there with the offense. I
Speaker 1: mean like, that's how we're gonna do that. Let's hit
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Speaker 1: we discussed the offensive line yesterday. What will be? What
Speaker 1: do you do? What changes do you possibly make to
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Speaker 1: they're not gonna do that. They're not gonna do the
Speaker 1: forty yard dass. No, no, they ain't doing no forty
Speaker 1: Nate and I are down cornhole. Yeah, I come, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: he's a champion. Nate Newton feeling here on the players
Speaker 1: lunch for Barry Church. I mean there is Danny mccraie.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys offensive line got bullied against San Francisco forty
Speaker 1: nine ers. Now here's my question to you. Nate and
Speaker 1: I go back to our conversations to training camp about
Speaker 1: the offensive line. You felt fifty two Connor Williams too light,
Speaker 1: You thought the center too small? Remind I mean and
Speaker 1: for me, I keep going back to Clay Shrider, keep
Speaker 1: thinking about Clay's nice guy, try hard guys. But they
Speaker 1: tried to recreate Stepnoski. There's only one step. There's only
Speaker 1: one step. You got Greedy there, he was not him.
Speaker 1: You got tyres Smith and aging left tackle here who
Speaker 1: does not play sixteen or seventeen games per year. What
Speaker 1: do you do with your offensive line in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: Nate knew you start building? You have to if this
Speaker 1: game showed you that, And I'm telling you the offensive
Speaker 1: line coach, along with whoever will McClay signed him, they
Speaker 1: should I don't know if they fly, drive or have regions,
Speaker 1: but who was over offensive line? They should just be
Speaker 1: driving to each college, spending the night in the truck
Speaker 1: out of the hotel, breaking down film and finding us
Speaker 1: some guys from starting from the third round, fourth round,
Speaker 1: fifth round. Find you some some big uglies that's strong
Speaker 1: and got decent feet, and can think that's what you
Speaker 1: need until you can find that, Oh that's that guy
Speaker 1: in the second round. Oh oh that's that guy in
Speaker 1: the third round. We cannot go out and get first
Speaker 1: round for you know, second right, you you wasteing picks.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of dogs out there. You just have
Speaker 1: to go find him, you know. And you have to
Speaker 1: insert them. You have to plan them. You can't wait.
Speaker 1: You have to plan them. It's some guys out there.
Speaker 1: But does it matter because we've been on the offensive coordinator?
Speaker 1: But does it do you based off what type of
Speaker 1: offense that you're running? Right? Do you need like to
Speaker 1: go to the big twelve or find like a passing
Speaker 1: league because you figured we're not gonna run the ball?
Speaker 1: Or do does it? Does it based off we're not
Speaker 1: gonna win? We got this offensive coordinator care is going
Speaker 1: to lean on the run. So let's go find out
Speaker 1: that we're not gonna win. If what if we get
Speaker 1: to if we if we continue to throw the ball,
Speaker 1: we if we do this, we're not gonna win. Dak
Speaker 1: is a all around quarterback. He throws well enough. When
Speaker 1: things are play action passed, he's rolling out, he's scrambling
Speaker 1: and making plays. That's Dak. And I promise you I
Speaker 1: said that when he was a root. That's what I
Speaker 1: liked the rookie Dak did all of these things. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about rolling out, making plays, feeling what's happening around him,
Speaker 1: and making plays, making plays when he have to, not
Speaker 1: sitting back there saying I'm Aaron Rodgers. I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: every throat, I'm gonna dictated from the pot. He's not
Speaker 1: that guy, So go out, didn't get you some big
Speaker 1: uglies with decent feet who's tough and can't be bullied,
Speaker 1: and let's go. Let's go back to what this kid
Speaker 1: was a couple of years ago. He shows you he
Speaker 1: can throw the ball, but he's not the thirty five
Speaker 1: and more pastor. Those guys they in Kansas City, then
Speaker 1: in Green Bay, so they in Temple. So he said,
Speaker 1: we had to lead Russier, we had to lead Rusher
Speaker 1: in the league. And it was thirty thirty, third and four.
Speaker 1: He's all thirty manageables. He was a maestro at it.
Speaker 1: He was a maestro. That's just what I believe. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it. Another year he won't another year or
Speaker 1: two he won't grow into that. No, I'm not saying that.
Speaker 1: But right now he's not there. But he don't have to.
Speaker 1: It's the point like even like you shouldn't, you shouldn't
Speaker 1: have to if what made you great is that type
Speaker 1: of playing style right right, Like putting somebody in a
Speaker 1: third and ten on on a consistent basis is a
Speaker 1: recipe for disaster for your offense, for your offensive line,
Speaker 1: who now has to worry about past past pass Russians
Speaker 1: coming at them almost every snap. And you throw it
Speaker 1: on first down. Now you're behind the sticks and they
Speaker 1: pretty much assume you're gonna throw it on second and third.
Speaker 1: So now you got three straight plays of passing. Okay,
Speaker 1: you talked about Dak when he first got here twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: you same thing. You changed out your head coach who
Speaker 1: was who believed in the run to bring in a
Speaker 1: guy who believes in the past. And it offers a
Speaker 1: coordinator who was a former quarterback who wants to throw.
Speaker 1: So your philosophy changed, and this is what you're getting.
Speaker 1: So now what gives? And literally, what what gives? You
Speaker 1: paid ninety million dollars for running back and you don't
Speaker 1: want to run a ball anymore. And Keller was here
Speaker 1: when they paid that ninety million dollars running back too,
Speaker 1: So the assumption is yeah, And then they start talking
Speaker 1: about to do running routes and stuff. How he looks
Speaker 1: so quick, and we should have known that it was
Speaker 1: gonna be an issue. So there's right there. You gotta
Speaker 1: in an issue. So Connor Williams is a free agent,
Speaker 1: the left guard. What do you do there? You know
Speaker 1: he lost the job. He got the job back and
Speaker 1: he literally it showed up the last two games to
Speaker 1: get not only this game but the game before with
Speaker 1: the two holding penalties back again. And I told the
Speaker 1: guys on my show, I say, fellas, that's going to
Speaker 1: hurt us in the playoffs. I say, y'all, rest his ship.
Speaker 1: You make him do five here and five there, and
Speaker 1: that's ten. But you can't do ten here, ten there,
Speaker 1: that's twenty because now you out of field goal range.
Speaker 1: Now you are. Now you're getting a safety or something
Speaker 1: happening to you. Man, I'm something. They have to do
Speaker 1: something with that. You. You're gonna have to find your
Speaker 1: bull dog? Are you moving on? Yeah? You got to? Okay,
Speaker 1: if you if you're gonna sit here and go through
Speaker 1: that again next year, you gotta you gotta give him
Speaker 1: a chance. Connor will be better, pulling better moving around
Speaker 1: like seventy one. Yeah. I want to see Ley. I
Speaker 1: want to see Leo pull So so you're moving on
Speaker 1: from from Connor Williams. It's Connor McGovern. The answer, you
Speaker 1: gotta go out and find a dog. So you're saying that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: now it's other people. It's other guys, and we're not allowed,
Speaker 1: you know, to talk about other teams. It's other guys.
Speaker 1: It's centers out there, that's backups, or that has started
Speaker 1: in this league that will do better than what we got.
Speaker 1: It's guards out there, but I can't Are they gonna
Speaker 1: pay him? And that that was my next question. So
Speaker 1: you're moving on from the left guard, what about the center?
Speaker 1: If I can find another one, yes, I will, okay,
Speaker 1: which which I agree, but but but I'll be slow
Speaker 1: to move because I gotta get that guard position. Taking
Speaker 1: care of that. That is that is that this game here, man, Wow,
Speaker 1: that was nice. I mean that first Eagles game we
Speaker 1: saw a hardgrave. Yeah, you see Vita v in the
Speaker 1: first game when they literally at the beginning of the season,
Speaker 1: they were attacking the left guard and center positions. And
Speaker 1: we came here every week they talked about it on
Speaker 1: the show, like, man, these dudes getting bullied in that position.
Speaker 1: What we said, you're gonna see it on film every
Speaker 1: week until you get there, right, yeah, and it never
Speaker 1: got fixed. Then then we pay for it. And in
Speaker 1: this last game, you could have one light guy. You
Speaker 1: can't have two. No, you can never have a light
Speaker 1: guy in the middle. That if you want to kill
Speaker 1: your tackles like we did, if you want to kill
Speaker 1: your tackles, have a soft middle. I'm being honest one
Speaker 1: thing about it. When when we had Tony Wise and
Speaker 1: Coach Hudson halt if we in the middle play bad,
Speaker 1: we got man. He they lit into us the whole meeting.
Speaker 1: Look at this, Nate, look at this Mark, look at it.
Speaker 1: Thought no, no, no, no no, because they were protecting
Speaker 1: them hogs outside. They're getting down the money back in
Speaker 1: them days only the tackles got paid. And I'm like, hold,
Speaker 1: one day, you're killing us in the middle and you
Speaker 1: ain't saying nothing to sea dogs outside. Well, y'all the
Speaker 1: reason this bad thing happening. You cannot ever have a
Speaker 1: soft middle ever, because your quarterback cannot. Your quarterback can
Speaker 1: step up because he got a sense of what's happen.
Speaker 1: He can step up and feel which way to move
Speaker 1: right and left, but he can't keep going back back back.
Speaker 1: He can't just drop back in turn to the right
Speaker 1: of the left because something coming. Okay, you see what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But he can move up and maneuver because
Speaker 1: he can feel it, all right, So let's wrap it
Speaker 1: up this way. As far as the offensive line goes.
Speaker 1: Carter Williams is a free agent. You let him. Got
Speaker 1: to improve right there, and that's your first order businesses.
Speaker 1: You want to improve your left tackle position, left guard,
Speaker 1: I mean left guard position, and then you want to
Speaker 1: go ahead and find a new center. Yes, basically, And
Speaker 1: I said Tyler Beadi is a backup play right guy
Speaker 1: who guard you know, guard guards, inerflex, but he should
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Speaker 1: Let us dive back into the Cowboys offensive line, can't.
Speaker 1: We're talking to Nate, three times Super Bowl champion. He says,
Speaker 1: gotta move on from the center, Gotta move on from
Speaker 1: the left guard. Now Here is the question to you,
Speaker 1: because this is a very important thing. What do you
Speaker 1: do with your all decade left tackle who made the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl this year, but once again does not play
Speaker 1: every game. He keeps having injury, so you know every
Speaker 1: year he's basically gonna miss at least four football games.
Speaker 1: What do you do with tired Smith in that position?
Speaker 1: That is where I say, if you have a first
Speaker 1: round pick in the draft, it's a tackle and he
Speaker 1: can play left, you gotta take a shot. Thank you, Nate.
Speaker 1: You gotta take a shot. See I love Tyrone and
Speaker 1: I'm a never say nothing bad about it. He played
Speaker 1: through injury this year he did. He had a gully
Speaker 1: of effort. But when you get some of the things
Speaker 1: I saw happen to him doing this playoff game. That's
Speaker 1: high level of football that he's been able to take
Speaker 1: care of, he wasn't able to take care of. Now
Speaker 1: you're really rolling the dice because, and I hate to
Speaker 1: say this, he's gonna age by the months. Now he's
Speaker 1: gonna age by because nobody has any fear. I don't
Speaker 1: care what we have said as fans. People feared this dude,
Speaker 1: but when they look at this film, it's not gonna
Speaker 1: be any more fear. And that's part of the game.
Speaker 1: They come in at Tyrone, love him to death and
Speaker 1: maybe they can get another year out of him. But
Speaker 1: but if there's a first round lineman that falls to
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and he can play left, you gotta get it. Listen.
Speaker 1: This is the same This is the same thing that
Speaker 1: I would I would have said about Shun Lee. Great player.
Speaker 1: When Seun Lee is healthy, not many linebackers can play
Speaker 1: the game better than him. His experience, his knowledge of
Speaker 1: the game and is able to tackle in the open field,
Speaker 1: reruns all that, but that is all negated by the
Speaker 1: fact that the injuries continue to happen nothing to say
Speaker 1: anything away from him as a player, but you gotta
Speaker 1: be available to be that type of player. And in
Speaker 1: previous years, this year, last year, year before that, Tyron
Speaker 1: Smith has not played an entire season and then he
Speaker 1: had to walk into this one where we thought he
Speaker 1: was gonna be the healthiest that he's been in ten years,
Speaker 1: and then he suffers more injuries, not all his fault,
Speaker 1: like it's football. That type of stuff happens. But what
Speaker 1: you can't do is you can't depend on him to
Speaker 1: be healthy throughout a season knowing that you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to have a backup ready probably for half of the season.
Speaker 1: And the funny thing about it, and I wouldn't say
Speaker 1: this if the injuries didn't show in his play. The
Speaker 1: injuries showed that his play this time. And that's what's scary.
Speaker 1: When you can overcome injury, you can play, you know,
Speaker 1: like Michael Jordan. You know, Mike's Mike sick and he
Speaker 1: hit forty points. You know, Tyrone was sick and he
Speaker 1: gotta handled. Yeah, So that's that's what made me said,
Speaker 1: well it's time to move on now, because he couldn't
Speaker 1: handle it with the injuries and nothing away from him.
Speaker 1: If he's a healthy Tyrant Smith, he is a top
Speaker 1: notch left tackle in the league. Yes, but you have
Speaker 1: to find a time when you can get a healthy
Speaker 1: Tyrant Smith throughout the whole season. Okay, I just checked
Speaker 1: one mock draft Cowboys at the twenty fourth overall pick. Yes,
Speaker 1: they do. And there were five offensive lineman who went
Speaker 1: early before twenty four. So your chances of getting a
Speaker 1: top three, maybe even top four offensive tackle left tackle
Speaker 1: probably not there. It's not it's not. No, it's not so.
Speaker 1: And I'll ask you what I asked Danny and Barry yesterday.
Speaker 1: Do you go take the top guard? Yes, you do
Speaker 1: right now. You need offensive lineman. You need offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: and you need more. So I think you need the
Speaker 1: interior linement because I trust me. If you get your
Speaker 1: tackles in your guard and your son ain't no good,
Speaker 1: it's gonna it's gonna be the same. It's gonna pay
Speaker 1: the same dividends. But it's easier for us to block
Speaker 1: a guy that we know on an end then trying
Speaker 1: to get up in the middle of d blocks up
Speaker 1: that don't work too much congestion. You got a running
Speaker 1: back up in there. You got us up in there,
Speaker 1: big wide buttons up in there, and you got the
Speaker 1: quarterback trying to step up in there. That's too much.
Speaker 1: But on the end where you can keep a guy
Speaker 1: blocked out, now you got space to move around. So
Speaker 1: if it's a guard in there, see that. I think
Speaker 1: Alur got a center, but they say he going in
Speaker 1: the top six, the top seven players. No, no real
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that people are really covering in at this point.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're gonna move to other positions now. Just
Speaker 1: looking at Pro Football Focus. At twenty four there Mike Draft.
Speaker 1: They got the Cowboys taking a corner out of Clemson.
Speaker 1: That's a twenty four. At twenty five they have the
Speaker 1: Bengals taking a offensive tackle six foot seven, three h
Speaker 1: five kid named Bernard Raymond. And then if he can
Speaker 1: get to the Bakers and get there, then at twenty
Speaker 1: six they have Miami taking Northern Iowa offensive tackle Trevor Penning.
Speaker 1: And unless coach Philman say hey, you know what, I
Speaker 1: can get better out of these guys all they have
Speaker 1: a new offensive line coach that can get better. I
Speaker 1: love coach Philman. I think he did a hell of
Speaker 1: a job a year ago this year here, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you stood up on the table for these
Speaker 1: guys to run the ball more o Mark Columbo would
Speaker 1: get it out of I'm just throwing the name out there. Man.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, well that's his Philbin's McCarthy's guys,
Speaker 1: Green Bay guys. So I don't think that's gonna gonna
Speaker 1: happen there. But overall, when you're talking about the draft,
Speaker 1: you're saying, almost last year we talked about defense and
Speaker 1: that's where they went heavily. So right now, in your mind,
Speaker 1: you're saying, hey, look, you gotta dress us offensive line,
Speaker 1: so spend some picks there. But I'll talked about it,
Speaker 1: but but not not. I don't think you have to go.
Speaker 1: I just think I don't think you have to go
Speaker 1: first round. I'm not for his linment, Okay, you know,
Speaker 1: but I do know this right here? And why are
Speaker 1: we speaking of offensive linment and blocking? I put it
Speaker 1: on the thing and I'm gonna keep saying it. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna keep saying it. Please please find a blocking tight end.
Speaker 1: We have to have a blocking tight end. Stop with
Speaker 1: this fat jelly roll calling it the hawk package. That hawk,
Speaker 1: what get in the way. That's all you do. Come on, man,
Speaker 1: get a blocking tight end. They grow him an hour.
Speaker 1: They grow him in our like cornstocks, man, like in
Speaker 1: the brons, go get one. Come on, man, So like
Speaker 1: we're gonna be running, we need to be running the ball.
Speaker 1: I mean it's all over the place. Man, I've been
Speaker 1: sitting him charting his stuff. It's all over the place. NEI.
Speaker 1: Teams that run doing the playoffs have more success because
Speaker 1: your defense need rest. Defenses can't stop teams today. They
Speaker 1: can only get them off the field, and when you
Speaker 1: make a mistake, they'll make a play as we did.
Speaker 1: So now, when you got your defense more than thirty
Speaker 1: one minutes on the field, they are tired. Because you know,
Speaker 1: it's like basketball. You're shorten the lineup right now. Now,
Speaker 1: let me just okay, both both of you are advocating
Speaker 1: for the run. Do you need to draft another running back? No? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: you got what you need. If you got your three
Speaker 1: running backs, Teach the other two how to pick up
Speaker 1: pick up blitzes. Teach the others clements Tony, teach them
Speaker 1: how to pick up blisses. They should, Hey, fellas, the
Speaker 1: rest of y'all have a nice vacation, Tony Clemens, if
Speaker 1: you want to be here next year, we're gonna get
Speaker 1: on this film right now. You gotta be better blockers
Speaker 1: so we can, especially Tony, so we can have you
Speaker 1: in the game to leak out and make some plays
Speaker 1: for us. Man. But we don't, Yeah, we don't. I
Speaker 1: don't think we need another running back. I think with
Speaker 1: the if you scheme it up for us to run
Speaker 1: the ball, we got guys who can make plays, as
Speaker 1: you see them on this one drive that we decided
Speaker 1: we were going to run the ball. You see a five,
Speaker 1: you see eight, you see a team, You see it
Speaker 1: till you see a five. Like we got guys who
Speaker 1: can still run it. And then you got a guy
Speaker 1: who put it all online for you this year and
Speaker 1: played hurt. You talk about tying point hurt. Zeke went
Speaker 1: out there knee busted. Yeah, so PCL you come out
Speaker 1: and find out he had towards PC and you know,
Speaker 1: making plays. And I wish you would have never said nothing.
Speaker 1: You got through the season, you got yourself back on.
Speaker 1: I wish you had just went on about this business,
Speaker 1: just going about your being to Zeke, you know, and
Speaker 1: when they're poking at you that's hard, you know, like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: you ain't really uh yeah, you got seventeen in you
Speaker 1: just out to get a thue, you like, let me
Speaker 1: tell you something. Let me tell you something, Okay? You
Speaker 1: know so I literally I felt bad for Zeke. I
Speaker 1: felt bad for Coop this season, just because when you
Speaker 1: pay guys that amount of money, to expectation for that
Speaker 1: guy is for them to be successful. But you have
Speaker 1: to give her an opportunity. But when you don't, people
Speaker 1: still looking at them like, man, we paid you all
Speaker 1: this bread, Like what you're gonna do? Do you think
Speaker 1: Kelly Moore gets a head coaching job? I choose not
Speaker 1: to respond to I don't. I don't even want to respond. No,
Speaker 1: I think he is. I think he should be a
Speaker 1: head coach. So that next thing would be be talking
Speaker 1: about soon is who should do offensive coordinator? Because Kellen
Speaker 1: Moore is gonna get a head coaching job. He fits
Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, if it's the profile, I don't care
Speaker 1: what happened. Mike McCarthy needs to be calling the place
Speaker 1: next year like it like this has to be the
Speaker 1: point where it's like McCarthy, Watt, you've been in the lab,
Speaker 1: this is what you said that you have been working
Speaker 1: on and studying. We want to see what that is,
Speaker 1: and then there's no excuse after that. If the office
Speaker 1: come out and it sucks, then then that has to
Speaker 1: come from the owner. Because I go back to when
Speaker 1: Wade Phillips was here. You say that this guy gonna
Speaker 1: get a job this year. Yes, so you you don't
Speaker 1: think that other owners in GEMS has been looking at film.
Speaker 1: You think that they say, Okay, the players wasn't good enough,
Speaker 1: and this guy is better than the players. Hecause his
Speaker 1: player's gonna work even though they didn't work, and he
Speaker 1: gonna get a job this year. This team went twelve
Speaker 1: and five. Um, I know they had an extra game,
Speaker 1: but set the club record in points scored. He's had
Speaker 1: multiple Pro Bowlers as an offensive coordinator. His resume and
Speaker 1: you look at what how Zach Taylor got the Bengal job.
Speaker 1: Calimbor has got a better resume than him. You look
Speaker 1: at Tony Nick Sirianni got in Jacksonville. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I mean beat Jacksonville. Minnesota's talking to him. Um was
Speaker 1: a Chicago called him. I mean, the guy's got several
Speaker 1: interviews lined up. Somebody's going to hire him because he
Speaker 1: fits the profile of who they are hiring. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: you talk about these young offensive coordinators, Dudes like this
Speaker 1: get hired. Matt Nage got hired. Matt Nage didn't have
Speaker 1: the greatest resume. Is what Kellen Moore's got because you
Speaker 1: had Andy Reid who was calling the place most of
Speaker 1: the time. I'm just telling you, based on what they
Speaker 1: how they hire in this league. You want to tell
Speaker 1: me Kelly on the show, I don't think you get
Speaker 1: the job, Okay, I mean, but I mean it's something
Speaker 1: that we'll find out. It's not Brandon Staley got the
Speaker 1: got the charges job. Okay. I'm telling you, dude fits
Speaker 1: the profile of who they are hiring in this league
Speaker 1: as head coaches, and he's got a better resume than
Speaker 1: a lot of the guys who are getting these jobs.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying. Man, even Stefanski who got the
Speaker 1: job in Cleveland, you start talking about because Stefanski's resume
Speaker 1: and Kelly Moore's they're right there together. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: the guy's gonna get a job based on how these
Speaker 1: owners are going out and hiring people, and so Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy will therefore get the opportunity to Danny to do
Speaker 1: what you're talking about here, go call the plays, be
Speaker 1: heavily involved the offense. Nate Newton, always fun to have
Speaker 1: you here. Three times super Bowl champion and newest members
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