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Speaker 1: Warning.

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Speaker 2: Today's episode contains spoilers for The Acolyte episode seven.

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Speaker 1: Oh Boy, Oh.

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Speaker 3: Boy, it's gonna it's gonna spoilers at opinions.

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Speaker 4: Oh boy, oh my, it was Jason Gittumsio and I

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Speaker 4: am Rosey Knight and welcome back next revision the podcast.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna dive deep you know the Force Virgins of

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Speaker 4: the Acolyte episode seven, and also we also we always

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Speaker 4: dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics at pop culture.

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Speaker 4: Coming here from I Art Podcasts, We're bringing you two

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Speaker 4: episodes a week, which includes this one.

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Speaker 1: Every Tuesday and Thursday.

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Speaker 3: In today's episode, in the previously on, we're gonna be

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Speaker 3: catching up on all the trailers using our connection to

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Speaker 3: the Force Virgins.

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Speaker 5: And in the song we're gonna be Oh boy, Oh boy,

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Speaker 5: it's Akolya episode seven, Oh Boy, in off a fun

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Speaker 5: new quick segment we Gotta Do what If, which is

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Speaker 5: our predictions for the season finale of the akoly Oh Boy.

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Speaker 1: But first previously on.

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Speaker 2: First Up Severn season two, the long awaited I Cannot

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Speaker 2: Waite the Chaotic production has reached a point of culmination,

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Speaker 2: and Severn season two has released a trailer and announced

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Speaker 2: its debut date January seventeen.

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Speaker 3: Still too far away.

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Speaker 2: Seventh of course of smash it for Apple TV Plus

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Speaker 2: when it was released all the way back in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty two. Season two included, uh, you know, many rumors

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Speaker 2: and hard reported facts about a chaotic season two production,

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Speaker 2: including a power struggle between showrunners and creators.

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Speaker 1: But we're done with that now.

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Speaker 3: It's finished.

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Speaker 2: Ten episodes season two, five of them directed by executive

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Speaker 2: producer Bred Stiller, and you can find the trailer now

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Speaker 2: on YouTube and other places. Your thoughts on seven season

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Speaker 2: two trailer.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad season two is coming out. I thought the

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Speaker 3: first season was really good and very interesting, just to

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Speaker 3: think about how between people who love TV, everyone was

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Speaker 3: like Severance, It's so amazing, Like, well, great TV show,

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Speaker 3: But people who don't have Apple TV Plus are like,

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Speaker 3: what are you talking about? So I would say, go

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Speaker 3: to you know, go to your Target or best Buy

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Speaker 3: or Apple on your phone. They're always giving out a

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Speaker 3: three month a three month free trial for Apple TV,

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Speaker 3: So go do that, watch this, watch the.

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Speaker 1: Any reason, Well, they'll give it you for free.

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Speaker 3: I don't good. They have really.

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Speaker 2: Really excellently definitely excellent what a show go get Apple TV. Plus,

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Speaker 2: it's very easy to get it. And Severn season one.

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Speaker 2: If you haven't watched it, I would pitch it to

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Speaker 2: you this way.

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Speaker 1: Do you hate your job?

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Speaker 2: You're gonna like this show then, because it's about people

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Speaker 2: who hate their job so much that they can't remember

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Speaker 2: it when they leave.

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Speaker 1: So good show.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good show.

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Speaker 1: Next up, Oh.

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Speaker 2: My gosh, the Gladiator Too trailer has hit theater yet.

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Speaker 1: Paul mescal and the Little Shorts. Denzel Washington is Denzel.

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Speaker 2: Pedro Pascal is there in theaters November twenty second. I'm

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Speaker 3: I gotta be honest. Is the trailer good? Yes? Does

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Speaker 3: it have lots of cool guys? Yes? Bah, I did

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Speaker 1: Sequel to Live the first.

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Speaker 3: This was what we were getting, like one of the

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Speaker 3: does it look great? Yes? Does it look epic. Yes,

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Speaker 2: If anybody disagrees with this, I don't want to hear

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Speaker 2: I welcome being proven wrong by the release of Gladiator too.

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Speaker 2: This one it's a little bit like, does Paul look

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Speaker 3: Well, he is coming, we'll see. Yeah, he's coming from

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Speaker 2: Agatha all along the trailer of the Long Everything long awaited,

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Speaker 2: X Men number one, which is on sale now, has

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Speaker 1: Cyclops. Some mayboo, I say yay.

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Speaker 3: Say yay, I think offa X Men ninety seven Cyclops,

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Speaker 3: I'm excited to see what happens next. Obviously, our friend

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Speaker 2: X Men number one goes up next, stepping into and

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Speaker 3: Did you want to know what happened on Brendoc? Here

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Speaker 3: Did you think that the Jedi were on Brendock because

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Speaker 1: Grip, my guy, What is happening to you?

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Speaker 3: what happened. Torbin realizes, well, if these girls were created

436
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 3: artificially by the force, then there has to be a vergence.

437
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 3: So if I just jump on my speed you know,

438
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 3: my little speed are, and go and get the kids,

439
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 3: I'll get to go home because I can prove that

440
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 3: there's a verge. He irrational.

441
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 2: Here's where I want to pause and ask the question,

442
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:13,119
Speaker 2: I personally think, what's happening to everyone here is this

443
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 2: virgence is affecting them mentally. It is amping up their

444
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:28,199
Speaker 2: inherent relationship to the force. It's amplifying defects in their personality,

445
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 2: and is creating an opening for all kinds of bad

446
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 2: decisions as we're going to describe.

447
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 3: I think.

448
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: I think that.

449
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 2: They're you know, they're basically like Jack Torrance at the

450
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 2: Overlook Hotel in the Shining and everything is becoming warped?

451
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: Do you think that's what's happening?

452
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 3: I do think that makes sense. And at first I

453
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 3: was like thinking about it because I was thinking of

454
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 3: all these other vergences that existed. But if we look

455
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 3: at who is able to create you know, life from

456
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,400
Speaker 3: the force where we've seen it before, it would be

457
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 3: a hugely powerful vergence, and also it would be leaning

458
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 3: towards a dark side usage of the force. So do

459
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 3: I think that this planet is essentially bubbling with kind

460
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 3: of raw force power and could be encouraging these bad

461
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 3: decisions and kind of this recklessness and this kind of

462
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 3: way that they're leaving the Jedi rules behind. Nobody's being sensible,

463
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 3: nobody's being rational, nobody's listening to the Jedi Council. Instead,

464
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 3: it's almost like they can't control themselves, you know, Torbin

465
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:40,640
Speaker 3: runs off and Dara gets pulled along. It's definitely really interesting.

466
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,879
Speaker 3: Do I think that they made that textual enough that

467
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:45,120
Speaker 3: most people would understand?

468
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: Not necessarily, right, they questioned, because I think the open

469
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:49,880
Speaker 2: ended question.

470
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 1: Is is everybody.

471
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 2: Just like crazy? Like is Saul a lot crazier than

472
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,360
Speaker 2: I thought? Like is Saul just like an unhinged person

473
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 2: is in Dara like intent, is Mother Coral like truly

474
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 2: like an evil dark side user.

475
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: Is Anasayah trending.

476
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 2: Dark with the way she invaded Torbin Like I think

477
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it feels like the rug has

478
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 2: been pulled out of my understanding of where I thought

479
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 2: these characters were. Yeah, and I think a lot of that,

480
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 2: in my view, has to do with this, the effects

481
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 2: of this force versions. Although I do acknowledge that, I

482
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 2: think it's an open ended question whether that's truly affecting

483
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 2: people are not.

484
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 3: I think so too, And I think that interestingly, like

485
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 3: Mother Anisaya and India are kind of two sides of this,

486
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 3: like more rational coin at least a little bit where

487
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 3: you know, and Dara doesn't really want to do it.

488
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 3: And then Mother Anisya is gonna let Osha go with

489
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 3: the Jedi because that is what Osha wants. But guess what,

490
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 3: That's not gonna happen because Torbinhead's over there starts breaking

491
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 3: in May and Mother Corael smash up the door controls

492
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 3: so nobody can get in and out, and essentially we

493
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 3: end up with this huge conflict where we're finally seeing

494
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 3: the truth behind what actually happened. As we'd seen before,

495
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 3: May did try to burn OSHA's diary but set a fire,

496
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 3: but that was not intentional. She wasn't trying to kill me,

497
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 3: Osha or anyone else. She runs off to find her

498
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 3: mom and Sol and Torbin kind of break in and

499
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 3: souls on his nonsense about noble intentions, you know, starts

500
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 3: asking about where the twins were from, how were they created.

501
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 3: Interesting moment here, Mother Anisaya says, someday, those noble intentions

502
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 3: you all have will destroy every Jedi in the galaxy.

503
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 3: So she's essentially for seeing or the succeedinging. So that's

504
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 3: very interesting. But then we see mother Anisaya kind of

505
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 3: turn into this wild, sort of like smoke Monster in

506
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 3: the comics, rush over to me, to rush over to

507
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 3: me to help her with this fire, right after setting

508
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 3: this fire, and it is this moment of motherly love

509
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 3: that's very different to anything that we've seen before, because

510
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 3: it's still kind of scary. A lot of the discord

511
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,239
Speaker 3: was like, what the fuck was that? But Saul, in

512
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 3: one of his worst decisions in a day full of

513
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 3: bad decisions, he just kills her he just snaps up

514
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 3: with a lightsaber.

515
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 2: So that happens, and it is fucking terrible, so bad,

516
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 2: it's really bad. Now let me stop here, because up

517
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: until this point, what we had seen of Mother Coral,

518
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 2: who is absolutely the more militant of the co partner

519
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 2: leads of this coven of witches along with Mother and Asea,

520
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: and was from jump.

521
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 3: Like, let's kill the Jedi. Fuck the Jedi.

522
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: Let's kill him if they come here, kill him, kill

523
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: kill kill. If they come here, we kill them. All

524
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 2: of a sudden, where's the kill, Like, now's.

525
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 3: The time stabbed your wife? Do it now? Like strike no,

526
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 3: just strike, but no.

527
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 1: And so this is part.

528
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: Of the thing I'm saying where by understanding these characters

529
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: has been like swept away. It's so confusing, Like why

530
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 2: Mother Coral, don't you do it now?

531
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: Like strike now, fight now?

532
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 2: When they are killing your partner, don't just stand by

533
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 2: for like a minute and watch it.

534
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 3: Happen exactly, And then the fighting begins in kind. And

535
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 3: if you wanted some combat this episode, we do get

536
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 3: some actually really great combat. Torbyn blocks It blocks a

537
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 3: bunch of witch archers. I'd never noticed that they have

538
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 3: this cool like bow and arrows before, but they do

539
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 3: soul for some reason like won't fight back against Mother Coral,

540
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 3: where I'm just like, bro, you just stabbed someone with

541
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 3: your lightsaber. I don't know. Now you're trying to pretend

542
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 3: that you don't kill people. The witches do some cool

543
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 3: like Jedi mind tricks and they sing and they can

544
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 3: mind control Kolnaka, which leads to a very cool fight

545
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 3: where we actually get to see kal Naka using his

546
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 3: cool wikie powers. We also learned that he is the

547
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 3: one who kind of gave Torbin that scar on his

548
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 3: face during this fire, and he's gonna destroy Sault until

549
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 3: and Dara jumps in.

550
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: In.

551
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 3: Dara, I see you. You know what, Yeah, I don't

552
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 3: even want to get into it with you because I

553
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 3: felt like you were the sensible one. No, she comes in,

554
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 3: She gets into into kl Knaka's brain, and it seems

555
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 3: like by breaking the witch's control she kind of kills them.

556
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 3: But I guess it is open ended whether or not

557
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 3: they're dead.

558
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 2: They died by the well, whether they died because of

559
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 2: her uh defense of kol Knaka's brain and psyche, or

560
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: died because of they've got knocked out in the fire.

561
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: Subsued them.

562
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 2: Either way, the Jedi were involved, and in Dara was involved.

563
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I mean, I honestly at that

564
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 2: point like to save their lives, I guess.

565
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 1: But where it goes from there is just horrendous.

566
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 3: But if you want to find out what happens next,

567
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 3: you'll have to come back after this ad break. Well,

568
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 3: hopefully we won't be killed by rogue Jedi Hartis.

569
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 2: And we're back, okay. So the rest of this is

570
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 2: a lot of the rest of this is a lot

571
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: of what we've already seen with Saul attempting to save

572
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 2: the girls but only managing to save Osha. And then

573
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: the new stuff is we see in Dhara and Saul

574
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 2: on the ship. Saul is guilt ridden about the fact

575
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 2: that he committed fucking murder in someone's home, wants to

576
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,479
Speaker 2: basically tell the counsel and tell them everything that happened.

577
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: And now in Dara turns miss uh, like, let's call this.

578
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 2: In has turned on a heel and is like, wait

579
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: a second, hold on the one thing that we cannot

580
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 2: do after murdering civilians in their home and kidnapping their child,

581
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: the one thing that we must not.

582
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 3: Do is called the Jedi Council.

583
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: Is the antike away her dream of joining the Jedi.

584
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: That is where I draw the line.

585
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Also like she's heard about the Jedi

586
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 3: like one time. Guys, like just first of all, chill out.

587
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 3: Second of all, like in Dara, don't try and pretend

588
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 3: you're doing this for her good. We know that you're

589
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 3: actually doing it because you don't want to get in

590
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 3: trouble for killing multiple people with the Jedi Council after

591
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 3: they already told you not to go in there and

592
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 3: do your little war crimes against them. I mean, what

593
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 3: a mess. This is like ten out of ten one

594
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 3: of the worst messes.

595
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: Now, this mess, I will say, a very confusing mess,

596
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: as you as I'm sure our listeners have ascertained from

597
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: our reaction, I'm sure they were confused as well. But

598
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 2: like a algebra problem, there's something missing here that maybe

599
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 2: has the answer to all this confusion, and it is Kimre.

600
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,959
Speaker 1: What the fuck is his relation to all of this?

601
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: Is he there? Somehow? Is his influence?

602
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 2: Are all these strange, unhinged decisions from all parties his doing?

603
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: His influence?

604
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 2: That is an open question, and I think it is

605
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: one that has the potential to really tie down a lot.

606
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: Of the strangeness that we have seen here.

607
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 3: It's definitely interesting also because currently basically what we're seeing

608
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 3: is just like a lot of like really fucked up

609
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 3: human era like and also bad decision making because they

610
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 3: do decide that they're just gonna blame May, which I

611
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 3: think is extremely fucked up, and they could have blamed

612
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 3: anyone else other than like a small child.

613
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: I think it's really just fucking wild to watch this happen.

614
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 2: It's like, hey, uh.

615
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 1: What happened? So in Daro, what happened on Brendoc?

616
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 2: I don't know, Well, we turned off our body cams

617
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 2: because they just turned off.

618
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's weird.

619
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: And then the Force versins and then uh, you know,

620
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: because I felt the danger to the life and safety

621
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 2: of my fellow Jedi, some things happened, and then and

622
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 2: then they're not going to report the truth. It's really

623
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 2: it's very very concerning, and you understand why the Jedi

624
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 2: kind of fell apart.

625
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very like. Also, I do think something that's

626
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 3: kind of interesting storytelling wise. This is usually what you

627
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 3: would see at the beginning of like a noir thriller

628
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 3: kind of you'd see the mistakes that were made and

629
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 3: then watch the fallout so in and that way, I

630
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 3: guess it is kind of interesting to watch the you know,

631
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 3: inverted commas fallout and then kind of learn what's happening.

632
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 3: But I think you're right. I'd seen a great theory.

633
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 3: I think it was in our discord that Kimer had

634
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 3: been on the planet and Chimer had been the one

635
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 3: who started the fire, and he'd actually been a padawan

636
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 3: of the Jedi, and they'd to cover up that one

637
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 3: of their padawans had done it. They had kind of

638
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 3: done this, But I'm definitely I'm definitely interested to see

639
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 3: where it goes because I feel I felt like it

640
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 3: was a lot to tie up in two episodes. Now

641
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 3: I feel like it's a lot to tie up in

642
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 3: one episode. But I do still think the odds of

643
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 3: like finding out Kima was connected very high. Also, Soul

644
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: being the one who turns to the dark side very high. Also.

645
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 3: I wrote a piece about this for IGN about the vergences,

646
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 3: and one of the really cool things that my editor

647
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 3: Amelia kind of touched on and asked me to write

648
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 3: about was if you make a force baby, does it

649
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 3: inevitably turn into a sith lord because obviously Anakin was

650
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 3: the fourth baby he turned into a sith Lord. Are

651
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 3: we going to see Osha when she learns about this

652
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 3: and that the man who she saw as a father

653
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 3: figure actually was the man who killed her mother, because

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Speaker 3: potentially this is may this is OSHA's vision that we're

655
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 3: getting as she's in the cortosis helmet. Will she be

656
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 3: the one who turns to the dark side? Will she

657
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 3: kill Khimer, will she become a sith Lord, or will

658
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 3: Salt turn to the dark side? Because that motherfucker has

659
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 3: dark side tendencies. So I think there's a lot to

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Speaker 3: tie up in like what I think is going to

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Speaker 3: be another forty five minute episode, But what are your

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Speaker 3: biggest predictions for the finale?

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Speaker 2: I think we're going to find that this is this

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Speaker 2: whole thing is Chimer or some other more powerful sith

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00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: Lord's doing and it is a way of eliminating the competition.

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Speaker 2: The competition the other folks that are engaging with the Force,

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00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: whether it be the Jedi or the Coven, who are

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00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 2: doing it in different ways. And that's my production because

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Speaker 2: again I think that's the only thing that's missing is

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Speaker 2: what's how does Kymer, give what's he got to do

671
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 2: with it? And we know that he somehow knows the

672
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 2: players involved. Is there's Saul finds him familiar for reasons

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00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 2: why like what?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And so I have to feel like there's another hand

676
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 2: behind the things that we have seen.

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Speaker 3: That would actually be really interesting too, because you know,

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Speaker 3: like how the if the Sith want to use a

679
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 3: Kaiba crystal, right, they have to corrupt it. It would

680
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 3: be very interesting if the Siths had found a way

681
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 3: to like corrupt a virgence and lead lean it to

682
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 3: a darker side. And that would be really interesting, especially

683
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 3: because we get a mention here of the night Sisters

684
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 3: of data met are they night Sisters? These witches? No?

685
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 3: But even that leans into it, So I think that

686
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 3: could be kind of cool, like they'd made this force

687
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 3: virgence space. Also would be interesting because some of our

688
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 3: favorite animated series, like with the you know, the Father,

689
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 3: the Son, and the Daughter, all of that has to

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00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 3: do with force vergences. So the idea that the Sith

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00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 3: are maybe controlling some kind of force vergens, I think

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00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 3: that would be very interesting, And it could be really

693
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 3: cool to see another Sith lord come in if it

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Speaker 3: was up to you would it be a known Sith lord,

695
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 3: like you know, Darth Bain has connections to this stuff

696
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 3: in legends. Obviously there's been lots of Darth Plagis kind

697
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Speaker 3: of talk. Do you want to see them bring in

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Speaker 3: a big player or do.

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Speaker 1: You I think it would be a big player.

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Speaker 2: I think I think it would be a I think

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Speaker 2: it would be like a I think it would be

702
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: a Darth Plagis situation. Right, think you'd be because it

703
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 2: would be a wonderful way to show the power, true

704
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 2: corrupting power of a figure like that who's able to

705
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 2: not just corrupt Jedi, but corrupt other Force users and

706
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 2: the Force itself in terrific and interesting ways.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm really getting into this. I'm invested in your

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00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 3: theory now. Because so they say that one of the

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00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 3: reasons that you couldn't sense Palpatine, right, the Jedi Council

710
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 3: sense it was because of the Force Virgins on Chorissant

711
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 3: with the Spire, the Sacred Spire. So also it would

712
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 3: have been very easy for dark Plagis and Chimer if

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Speaker 3: that is who it is, to basically be hiding on

714
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Speaker 3: Brendoc because of the Force Virgins. It would have been

715
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 3: easy for them to hide their Dark Side Force use.

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Speaker 3: It would have been easy for them to shield themselves

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00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 3: from the Jedi. So we could definitely be gang a

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Speaker 3: finale that shows that there was a different space on

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Speaker 3: Brendoc where some Dark Force users were doing some magic.

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Speaker 3: I would love to see that. I think that would

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Speaker 3: be really cool.

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Speaker 2: I think if this theory is the other part of

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Speaker 2: my theory is that this Dark Force usar who's it

724
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Speaker 2: to be revealed, if this is in fact true, is

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Speaker 2: using Brendoc as a kind of like scouting ground for

726
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: other Like clearly the Coven were drawn here, why like

727
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 2: what drew them to the Also the Jedi were drawn

728
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 2: here out of curiosity for what's.

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Speaker 1: Going on with this planet.

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Speaker 2: I think it's fair to infer from that that other

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Speaker 2: four sensitive groups, individuals or groups would be drawn to

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Speaker 2: this planet because of the power and seductive influence of

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Speaker 2: whoever's behind it. If that is in factory, it remains

734
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Speaker 2: to be seen. But it feels like there's just a

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Speaker 2: big question mark at the center of this very confusing episode,

736
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Speaker 2: and that is what role crime here or what role

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Speaker 2: other sith m Well, so many questions that we are

738
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Speaker 2: wondering about and we will wait to see if they

739
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Speaker 2: are answered in the Acolyte finale comes up next week.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode.

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, oh boy, thanks for lizening fell Well.

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Speaker 2: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Kitsupsion and Rosie

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Speaker 2: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive

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Speaker 2: producers are Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising producer

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Speaker 2: is a Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen Laurent and

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Speaker 2: Mia Taylor. Our theme song is by Brian Basquez.

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Speaker 3: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman

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Speaker 3: and Heidi Our discolled Moderata