Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: Hey you welcome to Weird House Cinema.
Speaker 3: This is Rob Lamb, and this is Joe McCormick. And
Speaker 3: today on Weird House Cinema, we're gonna be talking about
Speaker 3: the nineteen eighty two Italian sci fi action film nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety colon The Bronx Warriors, directed by Inzog Castellari, starring
Speaker 3: Mark Gregory, Vic Morrow and Fred Williamson. Is this movie
Speaker 3: a copycat mashup of Escape from New York directed by
Speaker 3: John Carpenter and The Warriors directed by Walter Hill. Yes,
Speaker 3: it is absolutely those things, But this is one of
Speaker 3: those cases where a copycat mashup film is more than
Speaker 3: the sum of its parts, at least in my opinion.
Speaker 3: I think it's not as good as either of the
Speaker 3: main movies that it's copying, but I would say it's
Speaker 3: at least as entertaining as either of them. I found
Speaker 3: this a thoroughly absorbing spaghetti dystopia. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is not a dull exercise in ripoffs or
Speaker 2: anything like. This film has cool cast makes use of
Speaker 2: some great legitimate early eighties Bronx locations that you just look,
Speaker 2: you know, absolutely post apocalyptic, and we'll get into some
Speaker 2: of those reasons in a bit, as well as some
Speaker 2: excellent Roman soundstages. But yeah, it has a great look,
Speaker 2: has some cool actors in it, and is weird enough
Speaker 2: in its choices that you're like, oh, oh, yeah, I
Speaker 2: can see that. I can since the DNA, I know
Speaker 2: where what elements are coming together in this particular scene.
Speaker 2: But it's still coming to get together in a way
Speaker 2: that feels fresh and even daring at times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, So I think we should start here just
Speaker 3: with a short plot summary, or at least plots set
Speaker 3: up to let you know what you're in for. So
Speaker 3: it goes like this, eight years into the future, in
Speaker 3: the Horrible year nineteen ninety, the Bronx is a war zone.
Speaker 3: The cops don't go there. It is ruled by the Gangs.
Speaker 3: Gangs like the Riders, the Tigers, Scavengers, the Zombies, and
Speaker 3: the Iron Men. There are other gangs mentioned in the movie.
Speaker 3: I'd just say question marks about those other ones because
Speaker 3: I don't know if we ever see them, But the
Speaker 3: Riders are maybe unsurprisingly an outlaw biker gang. The Tigers
Speaker 3: are like, what's what's their deal? They're like cool classic cars,
Speaker 3: and you know they dress in like suits from the
Speaker 3: nineteen thirties and forties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, classic cars, nightclub finery, with maybe a dash of
Speaker 2: like sword and sand Olympic.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, a little bit of that too, because sometimes
Speaker 3: their leader, the Ogre played by Fred Williamson, is dressed
Speaker 3: like a pirate. Yeah, he wears like a pirate, like
Speaker 3: like a frilly pirate shirt, but in kind of Las
Speaker 3: Vegas showbiz colors.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he wears fine things. Well.
Speaker 3: We also have a gang called the Scavengers, which I
Speaker 3: have questions about whether they should be called a gang.
Speaker 3: They rather more seem like a subspecies. They're like a
Speaker 3: mutant or a type of zombie or something that lives
Speaker 3: in the sewers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are exclusively underground, pale, pasty makeup, look a
Speaker 2: little bit undead, a little bit mutated. There's certainly, and
Speaker 2: then the Chuds came at me vibe to this.
Speaker 3: Faction exactly, though not wet zombies. They're dry, dusty zombies. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then confusingly, those the Scavengers are zombies. There's another
Speaker 3: gang that is not zombies, but they're called the Zombies.
Speaker 3: The zombies are like roller hockey players.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're they're basically their whole vibe is kind of
Speaker 2: like American gladiator Samurai roller skaters, and they actually have
Speaker 2: a really cool aesthetic. I think they're my favorite because
Speaker 2: obviously all of this is inspired by the Warriors, which
Speaker 2: we previously talked about on the show, with you know, colorful,
Speaker 2: outrageous costumed gangs running the streets in New York City,
Speaker 2: and so it's very much in the flavor of that,
Speaker 2: but especially with the zombies here, with these roller skaters,
Speaker 2: I feel like they really took it and ran with it.
Speaker 3: They're a lot of fun. I would say my favorite gang.
Speaker 3: We meet in the movie. We only get a very
Speaker 3: brief encounter with them. I wish there was more. But
Speaker 3: they are called the Iron Men, and these are the
Speaker 3: top hat ballet mimes and kiss makeup.
Speaker 2: Yes, they're great as well, but this makes me feel
Speaker 2: like the names of all the bands are mixed up.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like that situation where you have a
Speaker 2: scrambling of the names of the characters and street fighters too,
Speaker 2: based on you know, when they brought it over for
Speaker 2: an English speaking audience, where like m Bison and ball
Speaker 2: Rog are mixed and Vegas mixed and because it feels
Speaker 2: like shouldn't maybe the Tigers be the iron Men, you know,
Speaker 2: the iron Men would drive classic cars. Meanwhile, the Tigers
Speaker 2: are Broadway dancers and mines.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Clearly, the zombies should be the actual zombie adjacent creatures
Speaker 2: in the undergark.
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, yeah, you'd think the mutants would be the
Speaker 3: zombies and not just the roller hockey guys. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So anyway, that's what's going on in the Bronx. Those
Speaker 3: are the gangs that rule the roost there. Meanwhile, elsewhere
Speaker 3: in the city, we meet a rich heiress named Anne.
Speaker 3: Now I was originally gonna say her name is Anne Fisher,
Speaker 3: because we meet a character who I'm like eighty five
Speaker 3: percent sure is supposed to be her father, whose name
Speaker 3: is Ted Fisher. No, not Ted sam Fisher, because he
Speaker 3: also has his name credited different ways in different sources.
Speaker 3: But Sam Fisher. Anyway, that's probably too much preamble. And
Speaker 3: whatever her last name is, her father is the CEO
Speaker 3: of the Manhattan Corporation and arms manufacturing behemoth that becomes
Speaker 3: ungodly rich off of war, death and misery and by
Speaker 3: the ancient laws of corporate governance. Anne is set to
Speaker 3: inherit leadership of this corporation when she comes of age.
Speaker 3: So in rebellion against this In rebellion against this hollow
Speaker 3: and immoral life, Ann runs away from home to the
Speaker 3: lawless waste land of the Bronx, where she falls under
Speaker 3: the protection of a ruthless motorcycle gang called the Riders,
Speaker 3: and she falls in love with their surly, big haired
Speaker 3: teenage king Trash. Yes, I can't wait till we talk
Speaker 3: about Mark Gregory and Trash. But then in response Anne's
Speaker 3: father and the Manhattan Corporation, they raise the banners. Basically
Speaker 3: they won't let her go that easily. So to retrieve
Speaker 3: his daughter, Fisher hires an unstoppable, cold hearted mercenary named
Speaker 3: snake Place, I mean named Hammer to go into the
Speaker 3: Bronx and bring her back by any means necessary. And
Speaker 3: so the setup of the story is, can Trash and
Speaker 3: their allies and the writers survive the brutal onslaught of cops, assassins,
Speaker 3: rival gangs, some of whom are mimes and mutants to
Speaker 3: live another day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe one day they will truly escape the Bronx,
Speaker 2: but that is another story.
Speaker 3: And she'll be told another time now. I Yeah. So
Speaker 3: there is another movie called Escape the Bronx is by
Speaker 3: the same director in Hastelari.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, Mark Gregory. It's very much the sequel to this.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so straight up sequel, like acknowledged sequel with
Speaker 3: the same characters. Yeah, yeah, okay, cool. Well I would
Speaker 3: like to see that then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't have a stellar a cast, but I
Speaker 2: think I've seen it. I've at least watched I think
Speaker 2: I've watched a riff version at least. But yeah, The
Speaker 2: Bronx Warriors is a lot of fun here. I should
Speaker 2: mention there's also a lot of discussion of a gizmo.
Speaker 2: This is not a magua. So if you hear us
Speaker 2: referencing the gizmo, you may every time they mentioned the gizmo,
Speaker 2: I pictured gizmo's cute, adorable face. But that's not what
Speaker 2: they're talking.
Speaker 3: About, though. I would say, in the context of the film,
Speaker 3: it's gizmo with the capital G. Not because it's the
Speaker 3: name Magua, but because it's not just like a gizmo,
Speaker 3: like a gadget of any kind. It's like a type
Speaker 3: of thing in this setting. Yeah, when you say like
Speaker 3: a gizmos. People are like, oh, a gizmo, you don't
Speaker 3: want one of those.
Speaker 2: So this movie I alluded to this already was famously
Speaker 2: filmed in both New York City and in Rome, so
Speaker 2: we have all these wonderful exterior sequences in legit post
Speaker 2: apocalyptic looking early eighties The Bronx, which was legitimately in
Speaker 2: extremely rough shape at the time. I think at this
Speaker 2: point something like forty percent of The Bronx was burned
Speaker 2: or abandoned due to a variety of sort of long
Speaker 2: term factors, as well as a wave of supposedly insurance
Speaker 2: driven arson. I've read the interiors. However, we see these
Speaker 2: are going to be mostly filmed on sound stages in Rome,
Speaker 2: which have a great and ruinous look. At times it
Speaker 2: feels like we're in catacombs, and I can only imagine
Speaker 2: like some of these had to have been shared sets
Speaker 2: with like other like Italian horror movies of the day,
Speaker 2: But I don't have any hard facts on that, but
Speaker 2: I'd read elsewhere that like the inspiration for this had
Speaker 2: to do with an Italian director or producer getting off
Speaker 2: at the wrong subway stop and emerging in post apocalyptic
Speaker 2: the Bronx in the early eighties, and they were just like,
Speaker 2: where have I traveled to? And that, as well as
Speaker 2: the obvious cinematic inspirations, may have played into the creation
Speaker 2: of this picture.
Speaker 3: I have a lot of questions about how this movie
Speaker 3: depicts New York geography. There were times where I was like,
Speaker 3: how does it going from here end up there? Like
Speaker 3: I'm not an expert in the layout of New York,
Speaker 3: but I have a basic sense of it. And there
Speaker 3: were a lot of times where what was happening did
Speaker 3: not make sense to me, Like it seems like somebody
Speaker 3: is leaving Manhattan across the Brooklyn Bridge and that takes
Speaker 3: them to the Bronx.
Speaker 2: Well you need you need one of those little GPS
Speaker 2: devices from Mutant Hunt, so then you know exactly where
Speaker 2: in the New York area you actually what are.
Speaker 3: Though without any street names or buildings or anything, just.
Speaker 2: The general shape, the geographic shape of the islands.
Speaker 3: And it has earth and water on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: The Bronx in this film is kind of like a
Speaker 2: magical realm unto itself. It can be accessed via different gateways,
Speaker 2: but it's set aside from reality, you know. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: kind of like a like a dark domain, a domain
Speaker 2: of dread from Dungeons and Dragons. It's it's cut off
Speaker 2: by the mist, very much true. So my elevator pitch
Speaker 2: for this is Escape from the Warriors in New York
Speaker 2: is specifically from the Bronx, specifically in the Bronx, because again,
Speaker 2: we don't escape from the Bronx until the next picture.
Speaker 3: So yeah, we already mentioned some ways in which this
Speaker 3: is a derivative or copycat film, but it was having
Speaker 3: it was making me have thoughts about different kinds of
Speaker 3: copycat film making. I would say this is my favorite
Speaker 3: kind of copycat film. So it does not feel like
Speaker 3: a boring and more poorly made tread of a better movie.
Speaker 3: It actually comes together in a way that feels pretty unique,
Speaker 3: even though you can see what the direct inputs on
Speaker 3: it are. And I think this is for a couple
Speaker 3: of reasons. Part of it is just that the filmmakers
Speaker 3: here genuinely do have their own sense of style. So
Speaker 3: while I would say it does clearly have some plot
Speaker 3: elements and costumes and situations borrowed from these other movies
Speaker 3: Escape from New York and The Warriors, I would say
Speaker 3: it's not like trying to copy the cinematography of John
Speaker 3: Carpenter or Walter Hill. It has its own groovy, Italian
Speaker 3: flavored camera sensibilities and pacing and plot structure. It does
Speaker 3: have its own thing going on. And the other thing
Speaker 3: I would say I like about this type of copycat
Speaker 3: is that instead of just being derivative of one movie,
Speaker 3: it's a mashup of two. So it's not just like
Speaker 3: I'm making an Italian Escape from New York. It's smashing
Speaker 3: together elements of Escape from New York and the war,
Speaker 3: and those particle collisions produce interesting elements on their own.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and what and no matter how like
Speaker 2: direct the cobbling together these might have been at some
Speaker 2: point in the production, you know, by the time they're
Speaker 2: actually shooting it, clearly things have taken on a life
Speaker 2: of their own.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, we'll have more to say about this
Speaker 2: synthesis of ideas as when we proceed into the plot
Speaker 2: and into the cast. But we'll go ahead and say,
Speaker 2: all right, it makes sense some of you might wish
Speaker 2: to experience this movie for yourself at this point, and
Speaker 2: if so, yeah, go out and find it. I think
Speaker 2: the disc that I've watched in the past was maybe
Speaker 2: the Blue Underground disc and I am not sure if
Speaker 2: that is still available or not. I did a quick
Speaker 2: search and I really wasn't sure offhand, like where the
Speaker 2: where the best blu ray for this film can be
Speaker 2: found right now? But if it's not currently if able
Speaker 2: on something new, then you can at least lean back
Speaker 2: onto that Blue Underground disc from from a few years back.
Speaker 2: I have to also mention I was pressed for time
Speaker 2: and did not grab this one at videodrome here in Atlanta. Instead,
Speaker 2: I rented it did digitally and then realized that completely
Speaker 2: unlabeled it was the rift track version of it and
Speaker 2: not the unriffed And to be clear, I think the
Speaker 2: first time I watched this was the old MST three
Speaker 2: K riff of it. So this is a very riffable film,
Speaker 2: very much in favor of both rifts of it. But
Speaker 2: thats not what I wanted here for weird house cinema obviously,
Speaker 2: And I just want to mention that as a warning
Speaker 2: in case you go out and you want to rent
Speaker 2: it from somewhere online, just be aware it might be
Speaker 2: the rift version mislabeled. So I ended up watching it
Speaker 2: and what was still I think really good quality on YouTube,
Speaker 2: though that's generally not my preference for this sort of thing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, let's let's talk about the cast and crew
Speaker 2: of the people involved in the creation of this picture.
Speaker 2: Let's see, we'll start at the top. We mentioned already
Speaker 2: that the director and also one of the writers on
Speaker 2: this is Zog Castellari born nineteen thirty eight as of
Speaker 2: this recording, still with US Italian director active from nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty six through twenty ten. He worked at first in
Speaker 2: various spaghetti westerns with titles like sixty six is a
Speaker 2: few dollars for Django and sixty eight's one dollar two mini.
Speaker 2: That's that's always rough. That means you either can't make
Speaker 2: the purchas or more maybe it means you have to
Speaker 2: return a dollar.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure this guy he made. I was just
Speaker 3: looking at his filmography, and he made a number of
Speaker 3: films where the title is a whole sentence, like a
Speaker 3: subject and a verb and an object.
Speaker 2: There are so many of those Italian spaghetti westerns that
Speaker 2: have that sort of title formation, and I'm generally I've
Speaker 2: enjoyed some spaghetti westerns and some are still on my
Speaker 2: my to watch list. But for the most part, I
Speaker 2: just love these titles where they're titles like Djengo, bring
Speaker 2: a Gun, or you know, there's like a whole statement,
Speaker 2: there's a you could you could diagram the sentence that
Speaker 2: is the title.
Speaker 3: Yeah, their titles like dig your Own Grave and I
Speaker 3: Will Curse God.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so yeah. He did some films like this.
Speaker 2: He also did war films like sixty nine's Eagles Over
Speaker 2: London or War two Picture I Believe. In seventy one,
Speaker 2: he directed The Jalloh Cold Eyes of Fear. I don't
Speaker 2: know you've seen more of these films than I have.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you're familiar with this one.
Speaker 3: I don't think I've seen that one. A lot of times.
Speaker 3: They have multiple titles. True, I might not recognize the
Speaker 3: title even if I've seen it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it might be under a different title you're familiar
Speaker 2: with its. Seventy six, he directed Koma. This starred Franco Nero.
Speaker 2: He directed Inglorious Bastards in seventy eight, The Shark Hunter
Speaker 2: in seventy nine, also with Franco Niro. The Day of
Speaker 2: the Cobra in eighty. This had Franco Nero in it,
Speaker 2: but also Sybil Danning The Last Shark in eighty one,
Speaker 2: and then this glorious film set and again in the
Speaker 2: Grim Future of nineteen ninety. So this was his first,
Speaker 2: I believe, post apocalyptic movie, but it was not his last.
Speaker 2: He followed it up with the memorable nineteen eighty three
Speaker 2: film Warriors of the Wasteland aka The New Barbarians. Features
Speaker 2: several cast members from this film and also a really
Speaker 2: cool Claudio Sliminetti score. That's one that I really enjoyed.
Speaker 2: There was a riff track of that years back. I
Speaker 2: watched it riff, loved it, and then have subsequently watched
Speaker 2: it without the riff. It's possible we've discussed that one
Speaker 2: on Weird House Cinement at some point in the future,
Speaker 2: but we'll see.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: After that, he did Escape from the Bronx, which we've
Speaker 2: been talking about, and subsequent films included eighty nine Sinbad
Speaker 2: of the Seven Seas that had Lufarigno in it, as
Speaker 2: well as various other pictures. And he has a cameo
Speaker 2: in this as a vice president presumably of the Manhattan Corporation.
Speaker 3: Is he the CEO named Fisher's Toady, the guy who's okay?
Speaker 3: The second in command. He's very I don't know, he's
Speaker 3: very smartly dressed in this film. He like I kept
Speaker 3: noticing his tie not it's very square. Hmmm.
Speaker 2: That's a good observation. I think he must have been
Speaker 2: pretty comfortable on camera, because I know this was not
Speaker 2: a one off. He I think frequently shows up in
Speaker 2: small roles and things that he did.
Speaker 3: Is that his voice. Is he doing his own dubbing?
Speaker 2: Well, now that I don't know the dubbing, you know,
Speaker 2: as is always the case with pictures from you know,
Speaker 2: of this era, eurocinema in general, from this era. You know,
Speaker 2: I think everybody's dubbed. Some people, some like English language
Speaker 2: actors in particular, did their own dubbing, and some one
Speaker 2: in particular was not available to do his own dubbing.
Speaker 2: So it's it's just mixed. So I'm not entirely sure
Speaker 2: on this. All right, Let's get into the screenplay here.
Speaker 2: There are at least two other individuals that are noted
Speaker 2: on this and it is There are a couple of
Speaker 2: names we've discussed before. There's Dardano Sacchetti born nineteen forty
Speaker 2: four his screenplay story credit, as well as Elsa Braganti
Speaker 2: and Elisa Elisa. I'm sorry, Elisa Braganti misredded there. She
Speaker 2: died in twenty twenty four. I'm not sure what here
Speaker 2: her birthday was. These two were married, both Italian screenwriters.
Speaker 2: Sachetti was we've discussed him on the show before because
Speaker 2: he worked with the likes of Lombardo Bava, Luccio Folci,
Speaker 2: Dario Dario Argento, an important name in Italian beast cinema.
Speaker 2: Just pops up on a number of different films from
Speaker 2: this time period, stuff like House by the Cemetery, City
Speaker 2: of the Living Dead, and Cannibal Apocalypse, all three of
Speaker 2: which we've talked about before.
Speaker 3: So we've done a good deal of Dardano Sichetti movies
Speaker 3: at the Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: And then yeah and then Elisa, his wife. She also
Speaker 2: has writing or story credits on films like Zombie, House
Speaker 2: by the Cemetery, Hands of Steel, that's another one that've
Speaker 2: covered rat Man and many more.
Speaker 3: We haven't done rat Man. We have not done rat
Speaker 3: We did do Hands of Steel, House by the Cemetery. Okay,
Speaker 3: so we're in familiar hands here generally as far as
Speaker 3: writing goes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, all right, let's talk about this cast. At
Speaker 2: the top. We've already mentioned Mark Gregory playing a man
Speaker 2: called Trash. Mark Gregory lived nineteen sixty four through twenty thirteen,
Speaker 2: and here he plays the leader of the writers, our
Speaker 2: long limbed, hunky protagonist, Italian Jim Ratt turned actor who
Speaker 2: became for a few years anyway, one of the most
Speaker 2: recognizable faces in Italian genre action films. This was his
Speaker 2: debut and he's understandably green here. But for my money,
Speaker 2: in just the right way for a movie like this.
Speaker 2: I've said him before. I don't want my body actors,
Speaker 2: you know, guys coming in fresh off the gym for
Speaker 2: their first starring role. I don't want those guys to
Speaker 2: have like natural theatrical charisma. I prefer them to be
Speaker 2: a little awkward, a little green on the screen, like
Speaker 2: that's the secret sauce.
Speaker 3: As far as I'm concerned, you could argue that sometimes
Speaker 3: Arnold Schwarzenegger has a little too much confidence in charisma
Speaker 3: on screen, and you you know, it plays well in
Speaker 3: certain roles, but sometimes you want your muscle man yeah
Speaker 3: to be a little lost, to be like he's like,
Speaker 3: what is my heart for? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Like I mentioned it before, The Barbarian Brothers I too
Speaker 2: charismatic in all the wrong ways.
Speaker 3: For me.
Speaker 2: I was just like, these guys are too self confident
Speaker 2: in front of the camera. I don't like it. But
Speaker 2: give me Mark Gregory any day, because he does look
Speaker 2: lost half the time. But I wouldn't change a thing here.
Speaker 2: So Bronx Warriors was eighty two. He followed it up
Speaker 2: with eighty three's Adam and Eve, a Biblical Odyssey, and
Speaker 2: then the Bronx Warriors direct sequel, Escape from the Bronx,
Speaker 2: which again does not have a great cast, or not
Speaker 2: as great a cast as this one, though Henry Silva
Speaker 2: is in it. And then comes a trio of Thunder
Speaker 2: movies in which Gregory plays the title character Thunder, opposite
Speaker 2: Bose Benson in the first two movies and then opposite
Speaker 2: John Philip Law in the third. Oh Diabolic, Yeah, diabolic,
Speaker 2: indeed so. And those Thunder movies are eighty three, eighty seven,
Speaker 2: and eighty eight, And then he also did Delta Force
Speaker 2: Commando in eighty seven, this time opposite vote both Fred
Speaker 2: Williamson and Bos Vincent, and then eighty eight's Final Mission,
Speaker 2: And then there's also eighty nine's Afghanistan The Last War Bus.
Speaker 2: This would be his last film. It co starred John
Speaker 2: Vernon for unknown reasons. At this point, Mark Gregory ends
Speaker 2: up giving up acting and becomes a painter, and I
Speaker 2: think just basically does not live a pub public life
Speaker 2: after that.
Speaker 3: I don't know why, but I often find that kind
Speaker 3: of happy when I somebody just like they have an
Speaker 3: arc and then they're like, Okay, I'm not acting anymore
Speaker 3: and they just go do their own thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I think there's a tendency for
Speaker 2: us to try and look for the tragedy and such things.
Speaker 2: You know, you know, and obviously guess there could be,
Speaker 2: there could be, and you know, live life in general,
Speaker 2: for most people has its ups and downs, and you
Speaker 2: know it's only going to end one way. But you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot of people, for a lot of people, the
Speaker 2: acting world, the directing world, whatever, it's just one phase
Speaker 2: in their life and sometimes by their own choosing, they
Speaker 2: decide to walk away from it.
Speaker 3: In more power to them. So there are a lot
Speaker 3: of interesting things about Mark Gregory's performance as Trash, the
Speaker 3: head of the biker gang. Here. One thing I want
Speaker 3: to note is that he actually is this character is
Speaker 3: the leader of the writers. He's their King, but he's
Speaker 3: also clearly and by far, the youngest member of the gang.
Speaker 3: All of the other guys in the writers are like
Speaker 3: grown men in their thirties or older, but Trash seems
Speaker 3: to be like eighteen years old, and he even has
Speaker 3: a kind of overt, moody teenager energy. Do you know
Speaker 3: what I'm talking about?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's one of the things.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: Like I'm not given enough credit when I'm say that
Speaker 2: he is green and maybe looks at a little lost.
Speaker 2: I still stand by that he does. But I mean
Speaker 2: he's he's still present on the camera and this awkwardness
Speaker 2: comes through, But so does this sort of you know,
Speaker 2: this sort of you know, teenage emo sort of a vibe,
Speaker 2: so that it's there in his physical energy as well.
Speaker 2: And it doesn't help that his co stars and a
Speaker 2: lot of these scenes are first of all, you know,
Speaker 2: like you know, season seasoned or at least semi seasoned
Speaker 2: actors in their their thirties, as well as like actual
Speaker 2: Hell's Angels hired to be the other bikers. So of
Speaker 2: course this this this young you know body guy fresh
Speaker 2: out of the gym outside of Rome, is gonna look
Speaker 2: a little different compared to these just you know, road
Speaker 2: roasted Hell's Angels guys who were just rugged as all
Speaker 2: get out. Yeah, there's a bit of a physical visual
Speaker 2: mismatch there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny, but it also it's kind of interesting.
Speaker 3: It's funny and interesting. I mean there are the funny
Speaker 3: part is like practical questions like how would you actually
Speaker 3: get to be the king of a biker gang if
Speaker 3: you're not old enough to buy beer?
Speaker 2: I mean, my, I guess he's he's like Alexander the Great,
Speaker 2: you know, or like one of these child pharaohs from
Speaker 2: throughout history. You know, maybe it was a birthright for trash.
Speaker 3: Oh third, I like that. Yeah, we don't know anything
Speaker 3: about the like what came before, but but it does
Speaker 3: create these interesting dynamics, like when he has to fight
Speaker 3: against internal descent, and clearly everybody else in the gang
Speaker 3: both is and seems way more mature than him. But
Speaker 3: also he's the like muscliest guy in the gang, So
Speaker 3: he's younger than everybody else, but he's also like bigger
Speaker 3: and buffer than everybody else. I don't know. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: and yeah, it's him squaring off against these like older,
Speaker 3: kind of grizzled character actors, and then just like literal
Speaker 3: actual Hell's Angels, people who look like they may have
Speaker 3: been dealing drugs on the side while shooting the movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Gregory too, he has a very unique physique. So
Speaker 2: there's a there's a muscle guy that is supposed to
Speaker 2: be Trash in the poster art for this film, and
Speaker 2: Trash does no, don't really look that much like him. Again,
Speaker 2: Trash is really really muscular, but he's also really lanky
Speaker 2: in a way, so he's like very long limbed, which
Speaker 2: I think also makes him look taller than he actually
Speaker 2: is compared to the other actors. So there is he
Speaker 2: does stand out, you know, stands out from the crowd
Speaker 2: for sure. But yeah, a very unique physical specimen to
Speaker 2: be sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and very like long hair that they love to
Speaker 3: frame blowing in the wind. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: So he has kind of a glam rock vibe as well, Yes,
Speaker 2: so yeah, and he looks like a barbarian to be clear. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So that's Mark Gregory. We'll have more to say about
Speaker 2: this performance as we proceed, but we've got a number
Speaker 2: of other weirdly named characters to get through here. I'm
Speaker 2: going I think I'm going in billing order here. But
Speaker 2: I have some questions about how necessary this next character
Speaker 2: is because we have Christopher Connolly, who of nineteen forty
Speaker 2: one through nineteen eighty eight, playing a man called hot Dog.
Speaker 2: Hot Dog is his name, and he has a truck.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I just realized, I've watched the movie twice now
Speaker 3: and I don't remember what happens to hot Dog in
Speaker 3: the end.
Speaker 2: He has a truck. He knows about gizmo's and I
Speaker 2: believe he is.
Speaker 3: Shot doesn't He doesn't know about gizzez.
Speaker 2: He doesn't know about gizmos. Okay, does purpose here?
Speaker 3: They people try to corner him and be like, hey,
Speaker 3: you're the ones who's dealing these gizmos. He's like, I
Speaker 3: don't even know what a gizmo is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I guess the main thing is he has
Speaker 2: a truck. And it's weird because I like this actor,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm like, this guy seems interesting. I kind
Speaker 2: of want to see him in other movies, but I
Speaker 2: really don't know what purpose he has here. Christopher Connolly
Speaker 2: was an American actor. His credits go back to sixty
Speaker 2: two TV appearances on things like The Alfred Hitchcock Hour,
Speaker 2: A Big A main role on the primetime soap opera
Speaker 2: Payton Place, and then he appears in the seventy four
Speaker 2: film Bingi, the seventy eight film The Norseman from Charles B. Pierce, Oh,
Speaker 2: a Viking movie.
Speaker 3: But Charles B. Pierce, the director of Legend of Boggy Creek,
Speaker 3: exactly made a Viking movie. They did.
Speaker 2: And he continued to work in TV, but in the
Speaker 2: nineteen eighties he was doing a lot of Italian B
Speaker 2: cinema as well. So he pops up in Manhattan Baby
Speaker 2: from Fulchi eighty three's Atlantis Interceptors eighty six is The
Speaker 2: Minds of Kilimanjaro. Eighty six is Cobra Mission eighty eight
Speaker 2: to nine of the Sharks, And I believe that was
Speaker 2: his final film. And yeah, he did a lot of work,
Speaker 2: and I kind of I kind of want to see
Speaker 2: him in a film that where he has more purpose
Speaker 2: because he doesn't really have much. He has stuff to do,
Speaker 2: but he, like I said, you could cut him out
Speaker 2: and you wouldn't miss him at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't recall if his character does anything. The
Speaker 3: main plot function he has is he connects hammer to ice. Yeah,
Speaker 3: both characters we have explained yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he connects the dots he sets to hear
Speaker 2: why to see on the screen, just to confuse with
Speaker 2: other characters, I guess, because the other ones we're about
Speaker 2: to name have far more crucial roles in the picture,
Speaker 2: beginning with Fred Williamson born nineteen thirty eight playing a
Speaker 2: man called Ogre.
Speaker 3: I love Fred Williamson in this. One of my only
Speaker 3: complaints about the movie is that I wish there was
Speaker 3: more Fred Williamson in it. Every scene with him is
Speaker 3: a treat. He's one of these guys where you can
Speaker 3: just feel how much he loves being in movies, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. Yeah, Like he's obviously having a
Speaker 3: great time dressed up in this purple pirate shirt decapitating
Speaker 3: mutants in the sewer. It's like this is the life,
Speaker 3: and the feeling is infectious. The other thought I have
Speaker 3: about this character is that it makes no sense whatsoever
Speaker 3: that this character is named the Ogre. Unless it's supposed
Speaker 3: to be an ironic title. He's not in the least
Speaker 3: bit ogre. Like, what are the characteristics of somebody called Ogre?
Speaker 3: It would be somebody who's like a big, strong, stupid, clumsy,
Speaker 3: brutish And this character is the exact opposite. He is
Speaker 3: like suave, clever, and deft. He's literally the opposite of ogreishness.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure who you would really trade names
Speaker 2: because he doesn't feel like a hot dog either.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I guess he's tall, so he fits big right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, yeah, he's tall. So yeah, Fred Williams and
Speaker 2: I agree, pretty terrific in this he plays the leader
Speaker 2: of the Tigers and the self proclaimed king of the Bronx.
Speaker 2: So Fred Williamson is I think any football fans listening
Speaker 2: here today. American football fans know that he was a
Speaker 2: professional player in the nineteen sixties, and then as that
Speaker 2: career comes to an end, he turns to film, and
Speaker 2: so he becomes a major blaxploitation figure in blaxploitation cinema
Speaker 2: and then an international action leading man in the seventies
Speaker 2: and eighties. He took a special shine to Rome apparently
Speaker 2: in some of these productions, and ended up living and
Speaker 2: working there for a good two decades. And I've read
Speaker 2: that apparently learned to speak fluent Italian in the process,
Speaker 2: which I guess will not be surprising. Maybe you're spending
Speaker 2: that much time there. His TV credits go back to
Speaker 2: the late sixties again when his football career was finishing up.
Speaker 2: He appears in one episode of the original Star Trek,
Speaker 2: and he made his film debut in Robert Altman's nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy hit Mash, followed by Auto Preminger's nineteen seventy film
Speaker 2: Tell Me That You Love Me Juny Moon. But then
Speaker 2: after that, from about seventy two through seventy five or
Speaker 2: seventy six, just a whole series of black exploitation films,
Speaker 2: generally during what is considered to be like the heyday
Speaker 2: of this particular subgenre. He was like one of the
Speaker 2: major stars towards the end of that. That's when he
Speaker 2: started working in a lot of these Italian productions, and
Speaker 2: his credits from this time Imperio include Warriors of the
Speaker 2: Lost World, Warriors of the Wasteland, Larriors of the Year
Speaker 2: twenty seventy two, that's the full Chief film. And this
Speaker 2: work continued till about about nineteen ninety one. I don't
Speaker 2: know all told how many post apocalyptic barbarian warlords he played,
Speaker 2: but at least three.
Speaker 3: I think, Well he's great at it. I mean he
Speaker 3: was born for it. Just YEA love him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he continued to act, appeared in such films
Speaker 2: as ninety six Is from Dust Till Dawn is a
Speaker 2: memorable role in that gets turned into a vampire like
Speaker 2: pretty much everybody in that movie, and various lower budget
Speaker 2: films as well. He's also produced and directed more than
Speaker 2: twenty films, and I believe is still active. I think
Speaker 2: he still has a film that is set to come
Speaker 2: out at some point that he's in and directs. Oh wow, yeah,
Speaker 2: still going all right, So that's ogre. Now let's come
Speaker 2: back to the one they call Hammer. He even says
Speaker 2: at one point, I'm the one they call hammer. And
Speaker 2: this is this character is played by Vic Morrow.
Speaker 3: This character fits his name a little better. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Weirdly enough, I've read that Fred Williamson's nickname in football
Speaker 2: especially was Hammer, so technically Fred fred Williamson is the Hammer. Again,
Speaker 2: there's this weird feeling that, like the names here are
Speaker 2: all scrambled and reassigned. I don't know, but that's an
Speaker 2: exercise to play later with, like pen and paper. So anyway,
Speaker 2: Vic Morrow lived nineteen twenty nine through nineteen eighty two
Speaker 2: and was, I should note, a legit child of the Bronx.
Speaker 2: So you know he's he is of the Bronx.
Speaker 3: That's part of the character in the movie. Everybody keeps
Speaker 3: mentioning he's from the Bronx. He knows the Bronx.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's Yeah, there's a there's actually a really great
Speaker 2: exchange where I forget who he's talking to. But they're like,
Speaker 2: you're trying to maybe he's talking to Trash where Trash
Speaker 2: likes you want people to forget that you came from
Speaker 2: the Bronx. And he's like, no, I want them to
Speaker 2: never forget I came from the Bronx.
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty, which is why I'm going to destroy the Bronx. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so everyone will know I came from here. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, and at this point there's you know, there's
Speaker 2: what forty percent of the Bronx left, so it's it's
Speaker 2: pretty good even less because this is the future, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: extrapolation of that time. Anyway, Vic Morrow, we've talked about
Speaker 2: him before on the show because he was in Message
Speaker 2: from Space.
Speaker 3: Oh that's right, he's the one who he's talking to
Speaker 3: the little R two D two robot in that and
Speaker 3: he's like the stars or where dreams are made, little guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was always great he was. He
Speaker 2: was also in the last Chart from eighty one, the
Speaker 2: other Castellari film, When, which is a pretty much a
Speaker 2: blatant Jaws rip off as I remember it, maybe it's
Speaker 2: a little more nuanced than that, if I were to
Speaker 2: get into it. But as I recall, Vic Morro basically
Speaker 2: plays the Quinn character.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's good casting. It is good casting. Who what
Speaker 3: you know, next? Actor on the wrong down? Who do
Speaker 3: you want to be? A Robert Shaw? I'd say Vic Morrow? Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 3: he was really good.
Speaker 2: He was nominated for an Emmy in nineteen eighty three
Speaker 2: for his work on the TV series Combat exclamation Point
Speaker 2: and yeah, I don't believe we hear his actual voice
Speaker 2: in this film, so I don't think he came back
Speaker 2: to do his own dubbing, because he, of course died
Speaker 2: during the production of nineteen eighty three's Twilight Zone the
Speaker 2: movie in a terrible accident. But that being said, he's
Speaker 2: great in this. He's really terrificness. Even if this isn't
Speaker 2: his own voice, it's still a terrific physical performance. You
Speaker 2: mentioned that he's kind of the snake Pliskin of this film,
Speaker 2: and he is. He's kind of a mashup though of
Speaker 2: Snake Pliskin Lee van Cleef's character Hawk, and then also
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit of action of him Bison from
Speaker 2: Street Fighter, you know, especially in the latter portion of
Speaker 2: the picture, because in the first half he's like an
Speaker 2: independent contractor, bounty hunter, is sort of a guy, but
Speaker 2: then by the end he is like an establishment uniform
Speaker 2: dude leading a squad of like a death squad into
Speaker 2: the Bronx.
Speaker 3: You're entirely right. His character completely transform at the beginning,
Speaker 3: He's what if Snake Pliskin was the bad guy? Is
Speaker 3: what he is at the beginning of the movie, and
Speaker 3: then by the end he's just the He's like a
Speaker 3: head bad cop of a like mass murdering cop squad. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: And so the movie does operate on a number of
Speaker 3: like inversions of characters from these movies that it's copying,
Speaker 3: like Escape from New York and The Warriors, Like, so
Speaker 3: he is structurally Snake Pliskin. But if Snake Pliskin was
Speaker 3: the villain and the movie has all these things like that,
Speaker 3: it's like, what if Snake was the villain? What if
Speaker 3: the Duke of New York was actually a pretty cool guy.
Speaker 3: What if Donald Pleasance was a girl. What if the
Speaker 3: gang from the Warriors was in here also that kind
Speaker 3: of thing would.
Speaker 2: It'd have been great if they'd cast I don't know
Speaker 2: how old they were at the time, but Donald Pleasance
Speaker 2: has like two or three daughters who acted at one
Speaker 2: point or another, and I think maybe one of them
Speaker 2: still does act, Like that would have been perfect. Well.
Speaker 3: I like how they still keep something even though like
Speaker 3: he has to be read and escape from New York
Speaker 3: because he's the president of the United States. In this movie,
Speaker 3: it's a bit mixed up because it's half like kind
Speaker 3: of ransom film, like she's the daughter of a rich,
Speaker 3: powerful person, but also they keep a little bit of
Speaker 3: like she's actually personally important because it's like, oh, no,
Speaker 3: she's the heir of this corporation and we'll have to
Speaker 3: become the president.
Speaker 2: Hmmm. Yeah, Well, let's talk a little about Anna because
Speaker 2: it is. The actual details about the actress here kind
Speaker 2: of line up with this in interesting ways because this
Speaker 2: character is played by Stephania Girolami Goodwin born nineteen sixty three.
Speaker 2: She's also the assistant director on this picture because she
Speaker 2: is the director's daughter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the actress is really Inzo Castellari's daughter.
Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, this Zenzo's daughter. She'd been in several of
Speaker 2: his films by this point, and she'd act in three more,
Speaker 2: including Warriors of the Wasteland and Sinnett of the Seven Seas.
Speaker 2: She was assistant director on this film, again, a role
Speaker 2: that she would continue to serve in various productions, and
Speaker 2: also productions that did not involve her father at all,
Speaker 2: Like she basically kept going with the directing, even the
Speaker 2: assistant directing, especially even though she she's left acting behind.
Speaker 2: But she was an assistant director on nineteen ninety three
Speaker 2: Super Mario Brothers, which we've talked about on the show.
Speaker 3: I would maintain still the weirdest movie we have ever done. Weird,
Speaker 3: pretty weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, ninety five's Empire Records, which I think I've seen.
Speaker 2: It's definitely not a weird movie.
Speaker 3: No, it's like, you know, kind of fun romance, drama,
Speaker 3: comedy and you know, employees at a record store.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, fun, as I recall. And then she also
Speaker 2: directed some various Italian TV shows as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, she's playing the character Anne in
Speaker 3: this and is we think Fisher's daughter or some other
Speaker 3: guy off screen that we never see's daughter, but right,
Speaker 3: she's important. She leaves behind the Arms Corporation to run
Speaker 3: to the Bronx become become I guess just blend in
Speaker 3: and live there is her plan. And then they're gonna
Speaker 3: they're gonna send Vic Morrow to I guess rescue her.
Speaker 3: But all he does is kill people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the mission gets a little foggy after
Speaker 2: a pit here. All right, you mentioned Fisher. Samuel Fisher
Speaker 2: may or may not be her father, looks kind of
Speaker 2: like Ted Turner, played by an actor by the name
Speaker 2: of Eneo Girolami who lived nineteen thirty five through twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2: Italian actor with a familiar face in various productions like this,
Speaker 2: various works by Zo and he also appears in Dario
Speaker 2: Argento's Tenebra. So he's he's a familiar face if you
Speaker 2: watch a lot of Italian genre pictures.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's what I know him from. I expected him
Speaker 3: to be I don't know, a more familiar actor, because
Speaker 3: he looked very familiar. I felt like I've spent a
Speaker 3: lot of time looking at his face before, but he
Speaker 3: didn't really stand out.
Speaker 2: I think he often doesn't have the must sash, and
Speaker 2: that might be the reason. I think he's a little
Speaker 2: more memorable without the mustache.
Speaker 3: Do you think they were intentionally trying to make him
Speaker 3: up to look like Ted Turner? Because I had the
Speaker 3: same thought. He looks like Ted Turner. He's got like
Speaker 3: a blonde comb over and a blonde mustache.
Speaker 2: I mean it would make sense, right, you're just sort
Speaker 2: of cobbling things together, like if you're gonna you're gonna
Speaker 2: pick somebody, you know, some sort of like a rich
Speaker 2: American figure.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 2: They're only like a handful of choices that have that
Speaker 2: kind of like international notoriety. And if so umgla they
Speaker 2: went with this one, it would have been different if
Speaker 2: they come with the other one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but but I think Ted Turner also had recently
Speaker 3: become more famous, like around the time this movie was made,
Speaker 3: Like didn't he think he founded CNN in the very
Speaker 3: early eighties, like eighty or eighty one something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so that that would make sense it again,
Speaker 2: does it just feels like he's supposed to be Ted Turner?
Speaker 2: All right, let's get let's get out of Manhattan though
Speaker 2: and back into the Bronx, and let's talk about the
Speaker 2: leader of the what's see which faction is this? The
Speaker 2: zombies the leader of the roller skate faction man, not
Speaker 2: the zombie faction. Not the zombie faction. Wait, but there
Speaker 2: are the zombies, but they're not actual zombies. These are
Speaker 2: the roller skaters.
Speaker 3: These are the non zombies that are called zombies. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Their leader is a man named Golam and he is
Speaker 2: played by George Eastman. George Eastman, who have nineteen forty
Speaker 2: two through twenty twenty six Italian B movie legend, who
Speaker 2: sadly passed away May of this year. So this is
Speaker 2: our first George Eastman film that we've discussed since his passing.
Speaker 3: Well, we've done several George Eastman movies on here. Before
Speaker 3: we did Absurd, he was in Hands of Steel. Let's
Speaker 3: see what else have we done with him? I know
Speaker 3: at least a few other things.
Speaker 2: This may be only the third George Eastman picture that
Speaker 2: we've covered, But anytime I see him attached to something,
Speaker 2: he comes up a lot because he's just he's everywhere.
Speaker 3: The personable George Eastman. Yeah. So, if you haven't heard
Speaker 3: our episode on this or seen the movie, Absurd is
Speaker 3: pretty interesting because it's an Italian copy of Halloween. John
Speaker 3: Carpenter's Halloween, but the killer instead of Michael Myers behind
Speaker 3: a mask, it's just George Eastman with no mask. That's
Speaker 3: just his face.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a great face, a towering beast of
Speaker 2: a man, you know, often had this big beard, has
Speaker 2: capable of just displaying this extremely loopine grin. So yeah, tremendous.
Speaker 2: He was also a screenwriter. He got into doing that
Speaker 2: because I'm to understand, like he would be working on
Speaker 2: these pictures with just terrible scripts, and he was like, well,
Speaker 2: I get let me give it a go. I can
Speaker 2: improve on this, and so kind of got into writing
Speaker 2: scripts for B films that way. But yeah, he had
Speaker 2: quite a run. I mean, he's in films ultimately from
Speaker 2: directors that range as greatly from like Joe Tomato to Fellini,
Speaker 2: but surely best remembered for these various roles as towering, glaring,
Speaker 2: snarling heavies, often in a post apocalyptic scenario or in
Speaker 2: some sort of a Jallo or like Slasher Gorse. Here
Speaker 2: his look is very interesting because he's often pretty gruff looking,
Speaker 2: you know, and sometimes actual guts dripping from his mouth.
Speaker 2: Here he has again that American gladiator samurai roller skater vibe.
Speaker 2: So he's actually pretty polished looking in this picture.
Speaker 3: This is the least threatening he has ever looked in
Speaker 3: a movie to my mind. I mean, I don't mean
Speaker 3: to insult Eastman in this way, but he's one of
Speaker 3: those people who he just has a face and a
Speaker 3: smile that on itself, with no makeup or modification, can
Speaker 3: look dangerous and obscene. Yes, yes, yeah it was. This
Speaker 3: was his natural gift.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he again he towers over I forget how
Speaker 2: tall this guy was, but he was. He was really tall,
Speaker 2: something like six' nine maybe you know who knows how
Speaker 2: tall that is in movies. Speak that's like being like
Speaker 2: seven to five in. Movies so, yeah he tended to
Speaker 2: tower over anybody he was acting, opposite which just added
Speaker 2: to the effect he, was you, know like a lot
Speaker 2: of the great character ackers and heavies and, pictures you
Speaker 2: don't have to pay for special effects when you cast
Speaker 2: somebody like.
Speaker 3: This he has a great fight scene With Fred williamson later,
Speaker 3: on Where Fred williamson really sticks it to.
Speaker 2: Him yeah all. Right, next we have a man Called.
Speaker 2: Ice ice is played By Joshua sinclair born nineteen fifty
Speaker 2: three and man if everything out there on this guy,
Speaker 2: is to be, believed pretty interesting, guy and if it's
Speaker 2: not to be, believed still pretty interesting that there would
Speaker 2: be all this stuff made up about. Him BUT i
Speaker 2: have no reason to really doubt any of. This But
Speaker 2: american actor who found work In italian cinema in the early,
Speaker 2: seventies including, parts at least small, parts and stuff like
Speaker 2: seventy One's Lady, Frankenstein keoma in seventy six and then
Speaker 2: the string of films of These enzo, Films but he
Speaker 2: had also been writing. Screenplays he co wrote the screenplay
Speaker 2: to nineteen seventy Eights just A, jigglow Starring David bowie
Speaker 2: And Marlena. Dietrix we've mentioned that on the, show having covered.
Speaker 2: It he wrote the nineteen eighty five Novel, shakazulu which
Speaker 2: was made into A tv mini series in eighty, six
Speaker 2: and then continued to work as a writer and producer
Speaker 2: while also allegedly earning a medical degree in the eighties
Speaker 2: to work in tropical diseases and then he also wrote
Speaker 2: and directed twenty EIGHTEEN'S A rose In winter and is
Speaker 2: also reportedly a professor in, filmmaking comparative, theology and biblical
Speaker 2: anthropology at least according to some internet. Bios SO i don't,
Speaker 2: know maybe it's all. True i'll just assume it's all.
Speaker 2: True an honor system here for striting these bios ON
Speaker 2: IMDb is on the. Level but, yeah he plays an interesting.
Speaker 2: Character it turns out to be a bit, traitorous, surprising you,
Speaker 2: know keivin that he's the one wearing the Most nazi
Speaker 2: uniform bits on his biker uniform.
Speaker 3: Here, YEAH i couldn't believe that the guy in THE
Speaker 3: ss jacket turns out to be not.
Speaker 2: Trustworthy, yeah, yeah He's, yeah He's he's a worming. Character
Speaker 2: he's got these glasses that kind of add to the.
Speaker 2: EFFECT i should also mention there's a scene where you
Speaker 2: had to have noticed. This he and another biker are
Speaker 2: like riding down the street slash, sidewalk and they're about
Speaker 2: to go around a. Corner he just absolutely wipes, out
Speaker 2: and it's, never, yeah never. Acknowledged it's not like the
Speaker 2: next scene is, like, oh, man are you all? Right
Speaker 2: you really took a spillback, there or you'd think, like oh,
Speaker 2: no the mutants got. Him, no, no apparently he just
Speaker 2: like legitimately wiped out and then they just kept it
Speaker 2: in the, movie they're, like that's too, good it serves no,
Speaker 2: purpose but we'll keep.
Speaker 3: It. Wow, uh, WELL i like that they made that.
Speaker 3: Choice no offense to him, personally but he has great
Speaker 3: like scheming backstabb or. Energy he is born to play this,
Speaker 3: role it seems. Like BUT i guess, also you don't
Speaker 3: know from the very beginning that he's going to do. That,
Speaker 3: though as we were saying, that The nazi jacket kind
Speaker 3: of gives it, away THOUGH i did want to come
Speaker 3: back and discuss the kind of complicated context of the,
Speaker 3: jacket which is that he's not the only gang member
Speaker 3: Wearing nazi. Insignia, however we don't see in the movie
Speaker 3: any indication, that like the people wearing this stuff in the,
Speaker 3: gangs Including, hans are actually supposed to be Ideological. Nazis
Speaker 3: this kind of choice really really does not scan well.
Speaker 3: Today but this was part of a trend in some
Speaker 3: like seventies and eighties subcultures of Using nazi imagery as
Speaker 3: like generically, wacky transgressive kitch that was supposedly not connected
Speaker 3: to the real meaning Of. NAZISM i don't think this
Speaker 3: framing really, Works LIKE i don't think you could put
Speaker 3: On nazi stuff today and say, like, NO i don't
Speaker 3: really mean, it it's, just you, know it's just wacky.
Speaker 3: Whatever because even if it doesn't mean anything to, you
Speaker 3: the person wearing, it it's going to mean something to
Speaker 3: basically everybody who sees, you and that something is like
Speaker 3: very threatening and very. Stupid so it is not a
Speaker 3: cool style choice in. Reality BUT i think that is
Speaker 3: what's going on in the. Movie it's part of this
Speaker 3: like seventies eighties thing Where nazi kitsch was just supposed
Speaker 3: to be a, weird non conforming stylistic middle. Finger.
Speaker 2: Yeah, YEAH i think the middle finger part is. Key
Speaker 2: and if you watch enough biker films from this, era
Speaker 2: you do see a lot of this sort of. Thing
Speaker 2: Like i'm reminded of nineteen sixty Six's Wild, angels an
Speaker 2: outlaw biker film that Has Peter fonda And Bruce dern in,
Speaker 2: it and there's a scene WHERE i Believe Bruce dern's
Speaker 2: character has died and they drape A nazi flag over
Speaker 2: his casket and they have a funeral stuff like. That it's, just,
Speaker 2: yeah it's it's it's a part of the subculture and
Speaker 2: then part of the cinematic. Subculture that we get through
Speaker 2: these through these.
Speaker 3: Movies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, oh here's another interesting cast. Member we also
Speaker 2: there are some women in the, gangs or at least
Speaker 2: one of The.
Speaker 3: Tigers, yeah, yeah and The, tigers there's there are some
Speaker 3: women in the writers. Too they're not any of the
Speaker 3: main writers who like go on the, missions but there
Speaker 3: are a couple of who hang out there with the
Speaker 3: gang at the het. Out.
Speaker 2: Yeah but there's a more capable seeming member of The
Speaker 2: tigers by the name Of, witch and she is played BY.
Speaker 2: Elizabetha dessi born nineteen fifty. Seven as we see, her
Speaker 2: she's pretty. Cool she's got these like knife fingers that she.
Speaker 2: Wears she's apparently second in command To, ogre so she's
Speaker 2: pretty highly. Ranked this Is desi's only film, role alongside
Speaker 2: of a couple OF i believe like music video. Appearances
Speaker 2: but she's An italian model and Former olympic swimmer in
Speaker 2: the nineteen seventy Six Summer. Olympics and she is still
Speaker 2: active as a model today in her late. Sixties i've
Speaker 2: seen her described as a pro aging model and so
Speaker 2: like still like a major, force like you, know major
Speaker 2: magazine publications and fashion designers and. Stuff so you can
Speaker 2: look look her. Up she's On instagram and everything pretty.
Speaker 3: Neat story pro aging is in like she advocates what
Speaker 3: they might call it natural, aging and yeah, Modeling.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's my under. Standing YEAH i, AGAIN i. HAVEN'T
Speaker 2: i wasn't familiar with her before rewatching this. Picture but,
Speaker 2: yeah she's you, know on the cover of magazines like
Speaker 2: l and so.
Speaker 3: Forth she had a cool look in the. Movie she
Speaker 3: still has a very cool look. Today she doesn't have
Speaker 3: the ninth fingers. Anymore, no she should wear those all the.
Speaker 3: Time BUT i really like her in this. Movie she
Speaker 3: has great like she hits poses in the movie very
Speaker 3: much like somebody who's used to being a, model like
Speaker 3: hitting poses for fashion shoots and. Stuff but she has great,
Speaker 3: Style like she cracks the whip with such Dashing she
Speaker 3: has the whip and the talon fingers and, yeah great
Speaker 3: she goes to fight the. MUTANTS i like.
Speaker 2: HER i mentioned that The Hell's angels are in this,
Speaker 2: picture at least in the outside scenes actually shot in The.
Speaker 2: BRONX i don't think they flew The Hell's angels over To.
Speaker 2: Roam but this also means That Chuck zito is in there,
Speaker 2: somewhere if you're familiar with some of these biker, characters
Speaker 2: he's one of the.
Speaker 3: Bikers there are at least two different guys in the
Speaker 3: ride is who both look Like Steve.
Speaker 2: Earl, yeah, yeah, yeah that's. TRUE i mean it's a
Speaker 2: weathered looking group of extras they have.
Speaker 3: HERE i mean more Like Steve earl, now Not steve
Speaker 3: curl in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 2: Two, yeah all. Right and, finally the music here is
Speaker 2: By Walter. Rizzotti his other scores include eighty One's The
Speaker 2: house by The, cemetery so we have mentioned him. Before
Speaker 2: he also did a variety of action, films Including thunder.
Speaker 2: TWO i don't know what his life dates, are but
Speaker 2: he was active from sixty six through at least nineteen ninety.
Speaker 2: Three and on the, WHOLE i thought it was an
Speaker 2: enjoyable score, here generically jazzy in, places BUT i, think
Speaker 2: for my money, anyway a lot more fun in its weirder,
Speaker 2: moments mainly in the mutant tunnels and the end credit
Speaker 2: music is also pretty.
Speaker 3: Great, YEAH i like the music pretty. Good in, FACT
Speaker 3: i would say one of my favorite music moments in
Speaker 3: it is one of the generically jazzy. Parts it's when
Speaker 3: the iron men show up and every time they're on,
Speaker 3: screen it just starts playing But doo do Doo LIKE.
Speaker 2: I do love, jazzy funky debts in These italian. SCORES i,
Speaker 2: mean it's one of the things that makes them so.
Speaker 2: Great at, times it's like you have, something you, know
Speaker 2: it's like some sort of gallo picture zombies or, whatnot
Speaker 2: and you get to hear that thumping.
Speaker 3: Bass it's pretty. Great, Yeah, okay you want to talk
Speaker 3: about the, plot let's do. It so immediately from the,
Speaker 3: credits you know this movie is gonna have. Guts it
Speaker 3: has really strong bold credits. Sequence the, MUSIC i would,
Speaker 3: say is one Part John Carpenter escape From New york,
Speaker 3: soundtrack one Part italian disco. Funk the credits play over
Speaker 3: close up shots of weird bits of costume and texture
Speaker 3: from the. Movie so we see a clinched fist with
Speaker 3: four different skull, rings like a different skull on each.
Speaker 3: Knuckle we see half of a face with a, sad
Speaker 3: downcast eye surrounded by a violet wing like shape marked
Speaker 3: in face. Paint we see a roller skate with green
Speaker 3: wheels just spinning in the air against.
Speaker 2: Nothing we should mention that this picking this movie came
Speaker 2: out of your desire to do some sort of a
Speaker 2: rollerblading or roller skating, picture.
Speaker 3: So we got here. Obliquely there are actually a bunch
Speaker 3: of post apocalyptic roller blades centric, movies AND i was
Speaker 3: like looking through them and just like one after, another
Speaker 3: like there's no way to watch, this there's no way
Speaker 3: to get this. Thing, oh this one's. Disgusting so like
Speaker 3: one after another just kind of fell. Through but THEN
Speaker 3: i landed on this And i'm so GLAD i. DID
Speaker 3: i think this movie was more fun than maybe any
Speaker 3: of the rollerblade MOVIES i was looking. At but, so,
Speaker 3: yeah we do have some roller skating in this. Movie the,
Speaker 3: zombies the Roller Hockey.
Speaker 2: Gang they spoiler they don't Get GEORGE. E span on roller.
Speaker 2: SKATES i don't know if they and he's, LIKE i
Speaker 2: can't do, That Like i'll just fall down and it's
Speaker 2: not in my. Contract, yeah like heads too high up
Speaker 2: there for that fall to take. Place it would have.
Speaker 3: DONE i, meant but prominent roller skate wheel in the,
Speaker 3: credits it's just spinning in the. Air we also see
Speaker 3: a leather elbow pad mounted with a steel. Spike people
Speaker 3: will die in the movie by that. Spike we see
Speaker 3: a hand in finger gloves holding a knife with a
Speaker 3: brass knuckle, handle a silver spike with, studs a hand
Speaker 3: wearing rings with attachable steel. Talons these are the weapons
Speaker 3: of the Character, witch who will meet. LATER a Rosa
Speaker 3: kleb style boot with a knife blade sticking out of the,
Speaker 3: toe a sort of a lady's, haunch showing off some
Speaker 3: black leather and garter. STRAPS i think this is probably
Speaker 3: Also witch. Again and then like faces painted with, feathers metallic,
Speaker 3: flames and psychedelic punk.
Speaker 2: Butterflies, YEAH i think that those are maybe details from
Speaker 2: The Iron men there with The broadway. Faction so, YEAH
Speaker 2: i love this intro, here this movie suiting up like
Speaker 2: it's about to commit a jalloh crime, here you, know
Speaker 2: like the strong fetishizing of the weapons in this.
Speaker 3: Sequence the spike club could really be in An argento.
Speaker 3: Movie somebody randomly shows up with that, thing doesn't even
Speaker 3: explain what it, is it's just. So the action opens
Speaker 3: in deep blue twilight with a young woman sprinting desperately
Speaker 3: across a. Bridge we will learn that this Is, anne
Speaker 3: one of our, protagonists and she is running away from
Speaker 3: her wealthy life In manhattan to go to the lawless
Speaker 3: hell the of The bronx. IMMEDIATELY a couple of. Issues
Speaker 3: one is THAT i thought her outfit was kind of
Speaker 3: funny because she's wearing like a frilly white blouse with a,
Speaker 3: tall lacy. Collar she doesn't really seem like running away
Speaker 3: from my life on foot. Clothing, also she's wearing boots with.
Speaker 2: Heels, Yeah, like did she even pack a? Back maybe
Speaker 2: she's lost it at this.
Speaker 3: Point it could Be, ALSO i want to flag HERE
Speaker 3: i said something about this, earlier but the movie will
Speaker 3: keep raising geographical questions in this. SCENE i could be
Speaker 3: wrong Because i'm not an expert On New, york but
Speaker 3: it looks to me like she's running out over The
Speaker 3: East river headed Into. Brooklyn and you definitely don't go
Speaker 3: that way From manhattan to get to The. Bronx that's
Speaker 3: basically the opposite. Direction SO i think the only water
Speaker 3: you'd have to cross to get From manhattan to The
Speaker 3: bronx is The Harlem, River, right you go Up manhattan
Speaker 3: and then across The Harlem river and then you're into The.
Speaker 3: Bronx and is that sounds?
Speaker 2: Right but, again it's one of those things THAT i
Speaker 2: have this experience as a visitor To New, york AND
Speaker 2: i think maybe the filmmakers had this exact same. Situation
Speaker 2: is when you're taking the, subway it does feel like.
Speaker 2: Magic it feels like you're emerging in different fairy, realms you,
Speaker 2: know like Now i'm in The bronx by virtue of
Speaker 2: the iron worm that crawls through the. Earth so you
Speaker 2: can lose, track especially now now more than, ever you
Speaker 2: can depend on devices to help. You but, yeah the
Speaker 2: geography questions remain regarding this picture for.
Speaker 3: Sure, well in a, Way i'll just SAY i think
Speaker 3: it is like. MAGIC i, mean a city with a
Speaker 3: great public transportation system that can get you most anywhere
Speaker 3: is a, beautiful wonderful, thing especially having lived in places
Speaker 3: without as fully developed public transit. Systems, Man, yeah Visiting
Speaker 3: New york and using the subways.
Speaker 2: AWESOME i want to go ahead and flag here we
Speaker 2: mentioned about what The bronx was like when this film was.
Speaker 2: Made The bronx is totally different. Now so do not
Speaker 2: base anything in this. Film assume that anything in this
Speaker 2: film represents the current state of. Things The bronx has
Speaker 2: come a long way since. Then it has some rather
Speaker 2: lovely places to. Visit you will not find the same
Speaker 2: world if you go there.
Speaker 3: Today so we cut from the escape on the bridge
Speaker 3: to an executive office suite where this guy who earlier
Speaker 3: we were, saying we're going to assume this Is anne's,
Speaker 3: Father Samuel. Fisher maybe at least ten to fifteen percent
Speaker 3: chance it's not actually her, father because there is a
Speaker 3: scene later where it's like somebody on the phone is
Speaker 3: chewing him, out saying he needs to find, her and
Speaker 3: she doesn't make sense if she's his. Daughter but in
Speaker 3: every other scene it acts like she's his, Daughter SO
Speaker 3: i think it's his.
Speaker 2: Daughter, YEAH i get the feeling that maybe a scene
Speaker 2: was cut or something didn't make it over into the.
Speaker 3: Dub it's hard to. Say so he's getting the news
Speaker 3: that his daughter has run away from home to become
Speaker 3: a crime, queen and he's grilling his. Subordinates this is
Speaker 3: WHERE i think the guy he's grilling is the director
Speaker 3: of the. Movie In Zo. Castelari it's, like how could
Speaker 3: she just? Disappear what happened to her security? Detail they
Speaker 3: don't know what, happened but she's, gone and her father is,
Speaker 3: like damn, it this is all we. Needed, oh sorry
Speaker 3: to inconvenience you. Dad. Oh he also, says our hands
Speaker 3: are tied until we get her back. Here so this
Speaker 3: is the first hint of something that will develop later that,
Speaker 3: like it's not just that her father loves her and
Speaker 3: wants her back in the, family it's that she is
Speaker 3: crucial for some developing piece of. Business And, fisher by the,
Speaker 3: way is going to be ticked off in every scene he's.
Speaker 3: In he's always just. Mad is like a spit in
Speaker 3: his mustache because he's just. Frothing he's mad that his
Speaker 3: daughter ran. Away this is very bad for business. Reasons
Speaker 3: and then he stews for a, minute and then he
Speaker 3: gets the bride idea hey Contact hammer and the second
Speaker 3: the number two guys Like, hammer isn't he a bit?
Speaker 3: Risky And fisher shrugs and, says we've got little. Choice
Speaker 3: and then we cut to an intertitle that tells us
Speaker 3: the setup of the. Movie it, says nineteen ninety The
Speaker 3: bronx is officially declared no man's. Land the authorities give
Speaker 3: up all attempts to restore law and. Order from then,
Speaker 3: on this area is ruled by the.
Speaker 2: Writers AND i kept hearing this as the writers, too
Speaker 2: it's listening to, it SO i was like, imagining partially,
Speaker 2: Imagining like what if The Writer's guild Of America east
Speaker 2: is running the post Apocalyptic, bronx you, know the note they're,
Speaker 2: writing the writing they're not.
Speaker 3: Writing one can only. Imagine BUT i think this is
Speaker 3: also funny because this is not true within the. Story
Speaker 3: aren't The tigers presented as the actual dominant gang in
Speaker 3: The bronx and The writers are sort of a secondary contender.
Speaker 2: Gang, YEAH i, mean maybe things have shift, recently shifted,
Speaker 2: recently and this just doesn't the intel does not reflect
Speaker 2: the current state of play on the. Ground but, yeah
Speaker 2: The tigers are the dominant gang And ogre is the
Speaker 2: self proclaimed king of The.
Speaker 3: Bronx, yeah. Exactly SO i don't know that's. CONFUSING i
Speaker 3: think that literally whoever wrote that maybe was not familiar
Speaker 3: enough with the rest of the plot of the. Movie
Speaker 3: somewhere in The, bronx we cut back in And anne
Speaker 3: is still running as she ran all the way to
Speaker 3: The bronx in these boots with, heels and now she's
Speaker 3: running down a, long, empty desolate. Tunnel her footfalls echo
Speaker 3: in the, night and then we see figures crossing in the.
Speaker 3: Foreground it was, like, oh is it. Vampires is it
Speaker 3: Where we'll, no it's even. Worse it is, zombies not literal,
Speaker 3: zombies not the mutant. Zombies this is a street gang
Speaker 3: called The, zombies which are basically again guys who play roller.
Speaker 3: Hockey they've got white, helmets hook shaped hockey, sticks kind
Speaker 3: of a military police in hockey pads look roller skates
Speaker 3: and these v shaped shoulder. Pads and The zombies Ambush
Speaker 3: anne at the end of this tunnel and corner. Her
Speaker 3: she screams and tries to, run but they surround her
Speaker 3: and they're hooting and yapping and shaking their hockey sticks at.
Speaker 3: Her it seems like maybe they're mistaking her for a.
Speaker 3: Puck but then something. Changes while they're standing, there menacing
Speaker 3: her on a dark wall of the tunnel's, edge we,
Speaker 3: see first faintly and then with growing, intensity an illuminated.
Speaker 3: Skull what does that, Mean, well it is the calling
Speaker 3: card of another, gang The. Riders so The, riders they're
Speaker 3: on motorcycles and they have bright plastic light up skulls
Speaker 3: mounted on the handlebars of their, motorcycles just above the.
Speaker 3: HEADLAMP i love this. DETAIL i love the kind of
Speaker 3: psychedelic biker. LOOK i, mean we will see this take
Speaker 3: into much more extravagant extremes in movies Like. Mandy BUT
Speaker 3: i do like cyclomania or. Psychomania, yeah but pushing the
Speaker 3: biker esthetic beyond just the, gritty, grimy tough guy look
Speaker 3: and into the weird ethereal, otherworldly that's a that's a
Speaker 3: good move in my.
Speaker 2: Book, Yeah riders on the, storm so we're.
Speaker 3: Gonna See we're going to see these see this many
Speaker 3: times in the movie that The. Skulls it's spooky and
Speaker 3: cheesy at the same. Time and the gang comes roaring
Speaker 3: up on their. Bikes The skulls are glowing and they're
Speaker 3: ready for, action and when the zombies see them they
Speaker 3: call out with. Fear it's, like oh, no The. Riders
Speaker 3: so you get the feeling that The riders are maybe a,
Speaker 3: tougher badder gang than the. Zombies the leader of The
Speaker 3: rider pack dismounts his bike and he raises a, weapon
Speaker 3: which is a short metal baton tipped at the end
Speaker 3: with a. Spike so is this a? Club is this
Speaker 3: a short? Spear it's sort of, both and it is
Speaker 3: our hero's signature.
Speaker 2: Weapon, yeah lovingly imagined. Here this is a film that
Speaker 2: takes its weapon fetishization pretty. Seriously so these are a
Speaker 2: lot of.
Speaker 3: Fun so this Is trash our, hero and he is
Speaker 3: a lot to take. In he's wearing tight blue, jeans
Speaker 3: a black leather vest with a very deep v cut
Speaker 3: going almost down to his belly, button and no shirt,
Speaker 3: underneath so his outfit was made to show like seventy
Speaker 3: five percent of his. Chest he has a metal bead
Speaker 3: choker necklace and long feathered glam rock. Hair trash and
Speaker 3: several of his buddies get off their bikes and they
Speaker 3: approach the. Zombies they've got their clubs out and the
Speaker 3: zombies are, intimidated but they hold their, ground so a
Speaker 3: fight breaks. Out it's a punch up in the.
Speaker 2: Tunnel, yeah and the fight sequence here is pretty. Fun
Speaker 2: it's pretty. Wild you would never confuse it For Hong
Speaker 2: kong action or anything like. THAT i think the hits
Speaker 2: are not particularly. Snug there's maybe less a sense of
Speaker 2: like connection on these, hits but it's still a lot of.
Speaker 2: Fun it's like it, again it's maybe a little more
Speaker 2: it feels a little more stage, combat but it still
Speaker 2: tells a nice.
Speaker 3: STORY i actually liked the fights in this movie pretty.
Speaker 3: Good it's not the most technical fight choreography in the,
Speaker 3: world like you, said at least until we get To Fred.
Speaker 3: WILLIAMSON i noticed his fighting was extremely.
Speaker 2: Crisp, Yeah AND i don't know if that was just
Speaker 2: like maybe a tighter, choreography or Like Fred williamson And
Speaker 2: George eastman were just like really slugging each, other because
Speaker 2: that's always a. Possibility you heard that from pro wrestlers
Speaker 2: where they're people are talking about all. Man you, KNOW
Speaker 2: i Admired Terry funk's punches growing, up and THEN i
Speaker 2: got in the ring with him and realized that his
Speaker 2: punches look so good because he was just actually punching.
Speaker 2: People oh, NO i, mean you, know in a in
Speaker 2: an okay way for the time. Period but but, yeah
Speaker 2: it's like one way to make it look good is
Speaker 2: to actually. CONNECT i, guess, WELL i hope that's not
Speaker 2: what's going on, There but GENERALLY i think that's not
Speaker 2: what you're going for in the in the film. World
Speaker 2: BUT i don't, know maybe they worked a little.
Speaker 3: Stuff who. Knows. Well one THING i did like about
Speaker 3: the fights in this movie is that usually you can follow,
Speaker 3: them so they are not the blurry flurry you, know
Speaker 3: like a lot of movies do where the fight scene
Speaker 3: descends into just kind of close ups of limbs, flailing
Speaker 3: and you're not getting a sense of moments or. Drama
Speaker 3: these fight scenes do have moments in, drama you have
Speaker 3: a chance to notice which character is, fighting you follow
Speaker 3: little moments in the. Exchange and SO i actually enjoyed
Speaker 3: the fight scenes here a good bit more than your
Speaker 3: average movie punch. Up, ALSO i liked how sometimes the
Speaker 3: characters express their personality in the ways they, Fight like
Speaker 3: did you notice That trash is very cocky and, Fearless
Speaker 3: like he kind of he sticks his chest out and
Speaker 3: gives off this energy of LIKE i don't even care
Speaker 3: if you hit. Me you, know death is. EVERYTHING i don't.
Speaker 3: Care whereas the Character, hans the guy in THE ss,
Speaker 3: jacket he fights in a way that looks much more
Speaker 3: careful and strategic and.
Speaker 2: Vicious yeah, yeah he doesn't more vicious. Style that's a good.
Speaker 2: Point and in the factions in general also have different fighting,
Speaker 2: vibes LIKE i would say that the zombies have more
Speaker 2: of a feeling of like like a war. Cult they
Speaker 2: seem like a like a highly, trained organized group of,
Speaker 2: combatants whereas you, Know trashes bunch the, riders they are
Speaker 2: more and they're more like individualistic, fightings individualistic, fighters they're
Speaker 2: more LIKE i guess warriors versus soldiers to make that,
Speaker 2: distinction whereas the zombies are more.
Speaker 3: Soldiers, YEAH i think that's. Right. Yeah so at one
Speaker 3: point in this, fight the zombies are mostly, beaten and
Speaker 3: then a few of them start running, away and then
Speaker 3: one of the riders gets on his bike chases them.
Speaker 3: DOWN i think this is the writer Named, blade and
Speaker 3: at the last minute he extends These James bond murder
Speaker 3: gadgets on his, bike so there are these horizontal knives
Speaker 3: that stick out the side of the, motorcycle and he
Speaker 3: rides between the zombies and first slashes their achilles, tendons
Speaker 3: and then he rides back the other way after they
Speaker 3: fall and slashes their. Throat it's pretty.
Speaker 2: BRUTAL i want to say one more thing about the
Speaker 2: action here THAT i think sets it apart from other
Speaker 2: films you might, see or certainly lesser. Films so there's
Speaker 2: sometimes you'll have even good fight, choreography but the director
Speaker 2: will just shoot everything like wide and just like let
Speaker 2: the fight play. Out whereas this film does have. Edited
Speaker 2: it's edited and shot in a way to really highlight
Speaker 2: these key moments within the, fight and we see that
Speaker 2: just throughout the fight sequences in the.
Speaker 3: Picture, YEAH i agree with. That, yeah just good. Editing
Speaker 3: so in the middle of the, fight there is a
Speaker 3: moment where we zoom in On. Ann she's still. There
Speaker 3: she's kind of like she's Watching trash While trash is
Speaker 3: whacking one of the zombies with his, Club and suddenly
Speaker 3: the sound kind of fades out and the action goes
Speaker 3: into slow motion and we See trash's muscles flexing and his,
Speaker 3: long sweaty hair billowing while he, Fights AND i legitimately
Speaker 3: thought for a second it was going to start playing
Speaker 3: the beginning Of Good. Vibrations, instead it does play, music
Speaker 3: but it's these like dissonance swirling chords on the. Keyboard
Speaker 3: it kind of sounds like that music From dawn of The,
Speaker 3: dead you, know the woo kind of. Thing, anyway it
Speaker 3: is clear That anne has been hypnotized by the aura
Speaker 3: of this beautiful motorcycle crime. Boy he is gorgeous and
Speaker 3: she is in.
Speaker 2: Love this had to have BEEN i, guess her, plan
Speaker 2: or it's the. Plan now escape to The, bronx fall
Speaker 2: in love with a powerful but handsome and lovable. Warlord,
Speaker 2: yeah it seems to be working out so.
Speaker 3: Far also in this, fight we See trash deploy his elbow.
Speaker 3: Spike so he wears this set of elbow, pads which
Speaker 3: you might think would look little. DORKY i don't, know
Speaker 3: could people sell elbow pads OR i remember feeling dorky
Speaker 3: WHEN i wore them as a.
Speaker 2: Kid, well you just didn't have spikes coming out of.
Speaker 3: HIM i guess she would.
Speaker 2: Have it would have been more you would have felt
Speaker 2: more self assured had spikes.
Speaker 3: Maybe so his elbow pads have. SPIKES i don't know
Speaker 3: if he has them on both arms or just. One
Speaker 3: but he's got a spike at the end of the,
Speaker 3: club a spike on his. Elbow he's got spikes all,
Speaker 3: over and so he stabs with the elbow and kills
Speaker 3: one of the zombies that. Way after the, Fight trash Approaches,
Speaker 3: anne who is cowering on the ground and kind of
Speaker 3: in an alcove in the, tunnel and he speaks to.
Speaker 3: Her he's got the bloody spike club pointed at. Her he,
Speaker 3: says where do you come? From she, Says. Manhattan he,
Speaker 3: says want me to take you back? There, Oh, okay
Speaker 3: that's a nice. GESTION i like that as.
Speaker 2: Well you, know it's it's you, know he establishes. Himself
Speaker 2: trash is a. Gentleman, yeah and he's, like all, Right
Speaker 2: i'll take you back if you.
Speaker 3: Want but she's.
Speaker 2: Like what she says next is, NO i don't want
Speaker 2: to go.
Speaker 3: Back, no she, says. No he, says you, know this
Speaker 3: is The.
Speaker 2: BRONX i think there's been a, mistake. Ma'am you are
Speaker 2: currently in The.
Speaker 3: Bronx, yeah she. Says she, SAYS i KNOW i came.
Speaker 3: Here this is a. QUOTE i KNOW i came here.
Speaker 3: Purposely anywhere away from, them it's, Better trash. Says but
Speaker 3: nothing is worse than this hell. Hole she, says that's
Speaker 3: what you. Think so he averts his, Spike he offers his,
Speaker 3: Hand she takes, it and it's you, know it's boy
Speaker 3: meets girl in a tunnel in The, bronx covered in,
Speaker 3: blood and it's. Beautiful like she's trying to escape the
Speaker 3: global heavy arms. Industry he's just trying to control his
Speaker 3: territory and you, know continually find batteries for his bike.
Speaker 3: Skull it's a match made in.
Speaker 2: Heaven, YEAH i noticed some of those bike skull batteries
Speaker 2: do run. Out later, on we see the riders out
Speaker 2: and about and one guy's skull isn't lit, up And i'm,
Speaker 2: like come, on, yeah come, on.
Speaker 3: They budget yeah ran. Dry, yeah where's where's your? Batteries
Speaker 3: but from here she's, actually it, seems just going to
Speaker 3: join the. Gang so Now anne is one of the,
Speaker 3: riders as she is going to Be trash's motorcycle impress
Speaker 3: and one of the, gang and she rides around on
Speaker 3: a bike of her own and a kind of she
Speaker 3: looks a little bit less scruffy than all of the other,
Speaker 3: bikers but has a more scruffy outfit than her starting
Speaker 3: outfit is kind of somewhere in.
Speaker 2: Between, yeah, yeah so she's, yeah she's one of. Them
Speaker 2: there's no this is not a film where we're going
Speaker 2: to deal with the transitional. Stage here she is fully on.
Speaker 3: Board so after, this some time, passes and then we
Speaker 3: come to a scene that we've actually talked about On
Speaker 3: stuff To blow Your mind, before not on A Weird
Speaker 3: House cinema. Episode we're about to talk about a scene
Speaker 3: that came up in a listener mail episode because a
Speaker 3: listener wrote in about. It do you remember this role
Speaker 3: WELL i forgot about. This. Okay so this is the
Speaker 3: scene of the meeting at the water's edge between The
Speaker 3: riders and The, tigers and there is very little real
Speaker 3: constraint in the. Scene it's almost like a music. Video
Speaker 3: so we're out at the edge of some broken docks
Speaker 3: and we see a city skyline across the. Water once,
Speaker 3: Again i'm not A New york expert, here but it
Speaker 3: really seems like we're looking From brooklyn Into, Manhattan, like
Speaker 3: isn't it The Brooklyn bridge we're looking at in this? Scene,
Speaker 3: yeah so it's supposed to be The, bronx but then
Speaker 3: begins a drum. Solo so there's just a guy in
Speaker 3: the middle of this dusty empty lot playing a drum
Speaker 3: kit with this, hot fast. Beat there's a lot of
Speaker 3: high hat in, it and he will keep playing the
Speaker 3: drums as this scene goes. ON i love this. Choice
Speaker 3: it's never explained in the, movie but it blurs the
Speaker 3: line between diegetic and non diegetic, music like there is
Speaker 3: no in world reason for him to be there in the,
Speaker 3: scene so it feels like pure, soundtrack but also we see,
Speaker 3: him so it's not just pure.
Speaker 2: Soundtrack, yeah this MIGHT i can't RECALL i don't remember
Speaker 2: the listener mail that came in about, this so perhaps
Speaker 2: that discusses, this but it's my, understanding like this guy
Speaker 2: was just there playing the drums when they came to.
Speaker 2: Shoot really, yeah SO i think they were just they
Speaker 2: just rolled with. It they're, like this guy's, great let's
Speaker 2: just getting there shoot the.
Speaker 3: Saint. Whoa, yeah unbelievable if that's. True.
Speaker 2: Wow, YEAH i don't, Know LIKE i, Say i'm half remembering,
Speaker 2: that and you, know it could just be part.
Speaker 3: Of the myth making of the of the. Film i'm not,
Speaker 3: sure but it's. True. Amazing, well, anyway in the, scene
Speaker 3: we zoom in on a dead body impaled on a
Speaker 3: wooden stake beside the. Docks so this dead body is
Speaker 3: in rider's. Gear it seems he was one of the.
Speaker 3: Gang and we're going to find out that this guy
Speaker 3: was Named.
Speaker 2: Chris, yeah and he's. Dead he's truly, dead very.
Speaker 3: Fully very. Dead. Yeah so the riders, arrive they room
Speaker 3: up on mass into the, lot they park their bikes
Speaker 3: and they stare at this dead body in front of,
Speaker 3: them and we see now that and this part of the.
Speaker 3: Gang she's got her own bike and. Everything and this
Speaker 3: scene let's you zoom in on a lot of the
Speaker 3: the gang, textures so we see, tattoos, cuts leather with metal,
Speaker 3: studs one guy with a prosthetic hook arm revving his
Speaker 3: bike with the hook, beards, sunglasses. Bandanas you do see
Speaker 3: More nazi insignia, here like some, swastikas but other just
Speaker 3: weird assortments of imagery and insignias of other, kinds, skulls
Speaker 3: all that kind of. Stuff one guy has a nude
Speaker 3: pin up painted onto his. Bike Eventually trash gets off
Speaker 3: his bike goes over to investigate the body while the
Speaker 3: drums keep the tension very. High and then While trash
Speaker 3: is staring at his dead, warrior another gang enters the,
Speaker 3: picture The. Tigers they arrive in, force and they are
Speaker 3: very different, gang driving fancy classic. Cars you've got a
Speaker 3: mix of like flame painted Hot rods and then old
Speaker 3: older luxury cars Like Rolls.
Speaker 2: Royces, yeah so probably a little there's a little bit
Speaker 2: Of Mad max to this in.
Speaker 3: This, part, yeah but also elements of it's Like Mad
Speaker 3: max meets like Jazz. Club so you've got these guys
Speaker 3: in cool retro suits with wide. Collars some of them
Speaker 3: are wearing fedoras with like feathers in the band and.
Speaker 3: Stuff and as the cars pull, up a lot of
Speaker 3: the cars have guys just hanging off the side of the,
Speaker 3: car standing on the runner boards while they. Drive that's not,
Speaker 3: safe so one of the.
Speaker 2: Laws though there are no rules in The bronx. Anymore
Speaker 2: you can just whatever you, want.
Speaker 3: Ride on the runner, boards nothing to stop. You so
Speaker 3: one of The tiger lieutenants is this guy dressed like
Speaker 3: a matred in a burgundy jacket with a bow tie
Speaker 3: and ultimate warrior face. Paint this is the guy Named.
Speaker 3: LEECH i think uh And trash walks up To leech
Speaker 3: and says he's gonna have to talk to The, ogre,
Speaker 3: who by the, way MY i think auto generated subtitles
Speaker 3: kept Calling yoga because people are saying The ogre with
Speaker 3: The New york, accents saying, LIKE i need to talk
Speaker 3: to The.
Speaker 2: Ogre you go to The, ogre tek me to The ogre.
Speaker 3: Studio, yeah. Exactly he needs to talk to The, ogre
Speaker 3: the king of The. Tigers so but first he talks
Speaker 3: to The matre d and that guy tells him The
Speaker 3: ogre is mad and that The ogre did Kill chris
Speaker 3: the Dead rider. Here but he gave his body back
Speaker 3: as a gesture of brotherly, love only the heart is,
Speaker 3: missing and he says he ate.
Speaker 2: It it's a wonderful character building that we're not going
Speaker 2: to early see represented In ogre as we come to know.
Speaker 2: Him that he doesn't come off as a heart eating
Speaker 2: cannibal by any.
Speaker 3: Not in the least. Bit it almost feels like they
Speaker 3: the writer was still fleshing out this character and while
Speaker 3: writing the scene kind of change directions mid, scene but
Speaker 3: didn't go back and change the earlier.
Speaker 2: Dialogue it almost makes me feel Like ogre was originally
Speaker 2: going to be played By George, eastman because, Oh George
Speaker 2: eastman has more of like a Towering.
Speaker 3: Ogre feel to.
Speaker 2: Him, Christine, CERTAINLY i can imagine him outing down on
Speaker 2: a human heart and a picture like, This SO i
Speaker 2: have nothing to base that on other than my own
Speaker 2: sort of gut instinct Concerning georgie's.
Speaker 3: Rolls that is an interesting, THEORY i can see. That. Yeah,
Speaker 3: Anyway So trash walks over To ogre's car Where ogre
Speaker 3: is chilling with which which again Is Elizabeta, dessi And
Speaker 3: ogre Is Fred, williamson which is another one Of ogre's.
Speaker 3: Lieutenants she in this scene is like she's dulled up
Speaker 3: in a black sequin dressed with a feather. Boa later
Speaker 3: we're going to see her decked out more for battle
Speaker 3: with like the metal talons and the. Whip but when
Speaker 3: she gets out of the, car she Greets trash with
Speaker 3: kind of a look up and down and a long. Time,
Speaker 3: no see is the delivery. There i'mplying that they once
Speaker 3: had a. RELATIONSHIP i think so maybe she was his. Babysitter, yea,
Speaker 3: YEAH i think she is significantly older than. Him, yeah,
Speaker 3: anyway there is time for a parlay here Between trash
Speaker 3: and So ogre. Says, first he, Says leech is a blood.
Speaker 3: Freak if it was up to, him he'd turned The
Speaker 3: bronx into a. Cemetery, Okay AND i guess this is just.
Speaker 3: Amusing the real info in the scene is That ogre
Speaker 3: Killed chris Because chris was trespassing On tiger. Territory this
Speaker 3: is a violation of their. Treaty each gang sticks to
Speaker 3: their own territory in The. Bronx, Also ogre, says you, know,
Speaker 3: REALLY i was doing you a favor because quote the
Speaker 3: sucker was carrying a, gizmo a, gizmo and then he
Speaker 3: hands over a wristwatch and he says its wavelength is
Speaker 3: the same as that of The Manhattan. Police that's the
Speaker 3: wrong kind of. Gizmo And ogre, says IF i were, You,
Speaker 3: Trash i'd be worried to find one of my own
Speaker 3: men carrying a. Gizmo now they know exactly where we're,
Speaker 3: Based we're in for a few. Surprises i'd be on the, Lookout.
Speaker 3: Trash so he's worried that the cops now know where they.
Speaker 3: Are BUT i thought the cops did know where they.
Speaker 3: Were the cops just don't care about The bronx, anymore,
Speaker 3: Right like the whole point is the police have given
Speaker 3: up on The bronx and they surrendered it to the.
Speaker 2: Gangs, yeah that's my understanding as. WELL i guess If
Speaker 2: i'm being, generous then perhaps the situation is that the
Speaker 2: police are hands off with The, bronx but they keep
Speaker 2: an eye on, it and if one warlord becomes like too,
Speaker 2: powerful then they might have to interfere and maybe engage
Speaker 2: in a little a little espionage and so, forth in
Speaker 2: order to make sure that the gangs remain at each
Speaker 2: other's throat and they don't, become, say all united under
Speaker 2: one king of The. Bronx that would be dangerous because
Speaker 2: then what comes next the conquest of the Other.
Speaker 3: Burroughs that's, right, yeah can you dig?
Speaker 2: It?
Speaker 3: Yeah so with, this The tigers return to their. Vehicles
Speaker 3: they drive, away and once the riders are left, Alone
Speaker 3: trash takes the gizmo to his right Hand Manned ice. Again.
Speaker 3: Ice ice is the guy who. Sucks this is the
Speaker 3: trader in The nazi. Jacket is also sometimes Called. Hans
Speaker 3: he's Called hans and THE IMDb credit listing for the
Speaker 3: for the, film AND i think you may have referred
Speaker 3: to him As hans. Earlier Hans, ice same. Guy, okay
Speaker 3: why DID i call Him? Hans maybe did you have
Speaker 3: him As Hans.
Speaker 2: Hans, earlier because that's how he's listed On. IMDb but
Speaker 2: then WHEN i was watching the, films, like they're only
Speaker 2: calling this Guy, ice SO i switched it over And
Speaker 2: ice is more in keeping with Hot.
Speaker 3: Dog so, yeah all the TIMES i remember they call Him,
Speaker 3: ICE i THINK i may have Said hans in the notes,
Speaker 3: somewhere because you Had hans in the. Outline, Yeah i'm,
Speaker 3: Sorry i'm not trying to blame.
Speaker 2: You, no, no, no but, yeah that's that's probably the. Reason, Yeah,
Speaker 2: ice he's in there hanging out With Tater, tot Hot
Speaker 2: dog And Sour, kraut the whole.
Speaker 3: Gang but to, reaffirm, Yeah ice. Sucks ice is the
Speaker 3: bad guy, here but he he is going to see
Speaker 3: this spy. Device he's like. Noncommittal he's not going to
Speaker 3: confirm Was chris a trader or. Not Maybe over is
Speaker 3: lying to, them then they'll they'll find out. Later so
Speaker 3: throughout we get some kind of control room scenes where
Speaker 3: you have the director of the movie barking orders at
Speaker 3: people working radios and. Stuff we also occasionally pop in
Speaker 3: with cops who are flying over The bronx in helicopters
Speaker 3: or patrolling the streets in armored. Trucks it seems like
Speaker 3: maybe they didn't quite abandon it. Totally this might just
Speaker 3: be because of the MISSING ceo, daughter but they're getting
Speaker 3: back into the mix here in The, bronx and these
Speaker 3: cops are not cool headed public. Servants there is No
Speaker 3: Officer Alex murphy among. Them they seem to be interchangeable
Speaker 3: with corporate security. Services so they're doing the bidding Of
Speaker 3: fisher and his, minions and their attitude is just straightforward fascist.
Speaker 3: Thuggery they constantly express the desire to burn The bronx
Speaker 3: to the ground and clean out the vermin and that
Speaker 3: sort of. Thing, meanwhile the writers are debating what happened With.
Speaker 3: Chris ice is arguing that it's a. Setup he thinks
Speaker 3: Actually ogre is the real villain, here and he Thinks
Speaker 3: ogre is using this story to keep them distracted while
Speaker 3: he makes. Moves but in the, Background, blade who we
Speaker 3: saw earlier in the fight, scene is another one Of
Speaker 3: trash's loyal. Soldiers he. Disagrees he Thinks ogre is telling
Speaker 3: the truth That chris was a. Trader this is a
Speaker 3: real gizmo and, he you, know he's just sort of
Speaker 3: different To. Trash Ice Mock's, blade And ice, says what
Speaker 3: we need to do is go to war with The.
Speaker 3: Tigers we got to straighten them out once and for. All,
Speaker 3: also this conversation has the first invocation of Hot. Dog
Speaker 3: ice says The ogre and Hot, DOG i wouldn't be
Speaker 3: surprised if it was them that Sold chris the gizmo
Speaker 3: in the first. Place AND i think it's time we
Speaker 3: got Even, yeah what a, sentence As i'm still even
Speaker 3: on second, VIEWING i was still trying to figure Out Hot.
Speaker 2: Dog, yeah, like why do we need another care BECAUSE
Speaker 2: i think it should be clear at this, Point like
Speaker 2: the plot is almost overly complex, here like the films
Speaker 2: that it clearly, inspired this, movie you, know are not
Speaker 2: simple in their, structure BUT i feel like they are
Speaker 2: a lot more, streamlined and we have we have just
Speaker 2: a number of factions here and a number of. Individuals
Speaker 2: the politics are are kind of Like game Of thrones level,
Speaker 2: already and they don't really need to be for a
Speaker 2: movie like.
Speaker 3: This in this, Scene anne has another. Idea she, says,
Speaker 3: uh MAYBE i was the One chris was spying. On
Speaker 3: since it's, like you, know the largest corporation in the
Speaker 3: world which controls the cops is looking for. Me you
Speaker 3: think the gang would be, like, oh that makes, sense
Speaker 3: but instead they're, like, eh maybe who.
Speaker 2: Knows these these these gangs are just like it's all about.
Speaker 2: Them they just think they're the center of the.
Speaker 3: Universe so there are more scenes, where, uh we See
Speaker 3: fisher running around like taking phone calls and he'll, say,
Speaker 3: like It's, Fisher i'm In. Manhattan she's always In. Manhattan
Speaker 3: where else would you. Be there are scenes of this
Speaker 3: developing romance Between trash And. Ann he's, like are you
Speaker 3: missing a boyfriend back In? Manhattan do you want to
Speaker 3: go back? There and she's, like, NO i love only
Speaker 3: you and the. Gang it's the first Time i've ever
Speaker 3: really felt THAT i. Belong she, says this is a quote.
Speaker 3: QUOTE i feel safe with, You. Trash don't you ever
Speaker 3: let them take me away from?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 3: Yeah and this is said in a flophouse room with
Speaker 3: just infinite layers of graffiti on the.
Speaker 2: Walls, yeah but they, have you, Know Coca cola And
Speaker 2: Jack daniels and Possibly half And, half so they're.
Speaker 3: Good. Yeah there's an action scene later where the writers
Speaker 3: mess with an armored police truck so they like lead
Speaker 3: it on a merry chase and they spray painted cussword
Speaker 3: on the windshield while the truck is still in. MOTION
Speaker 3: i like that. Party, meanwhile we finally get to Meet
Speaker 3: Vic morrow As. Hammer so he comes into frame on,
Speaker 3: foot wandering the streets of The bronx with a tube shaped,
Speaker 3: package like he's delivering a poster in a post. Tube
Speaker 3: what do you think secretly inside? There Funk base plays
Speaker 3: while he. Walks he's got a trucker hat aviator, sunglasses
Speaker 3: an open windbreaker, jacket just very classic bounty hunter. Look
Speaker 3: just a stone cold. Killer. Yeah So hammer locates and
Speaker 3: strolls into the writer's, hideout which is a ruined building
Speaker 3: with graffiti. Everywhere there are a couple of lookouts on the,
Speaker 3: stairs a man and a woman who are making out
Speaker 3: When hammer, enters and when they See hammer coming past
Speaker 3: the past the staircase, landing the mail writer stands up
Speaker 3: and he pulls out a, switchblade and he gives this great.
Speaker 3: Line he, says go another step and you're. Dead try
Speaker 3: to run away and you're. Dead stay right where you.
Speaker 3: Are you're, dead, too horrible negotiation.
Speaker 2: Tactic you're just. Giving you're giving the other guy no options.
Speaker 3: Here, Right But hammer is too. Deadly he turns and
Speaker 3: reveals that his tube shaped package is not a. Poster
Speaker 3: it's not a poster Of Jim. Morrison it's a hidden,
Speaker 3: shotgun and he blasts the man with the, knife and
Speaker 3: then in a super cold, move he shoots the woman
Speaker 3: on the stairs, too who she has not moved or
Speaker 3: made any. Threats so we instantly learn, like oh whoa?
Speaker 3: Okay hammer does not care for human. Life one bit
Speaker 3: death is cheap to.
Speaker 2: HIM i liked how when he fires off the first,
Speaker 2: shot he fires it, well it's still in the tube as.
Speaker 2: Well he has like a secret little trapdoor on the
Speaker 2: side of the tube and he's firing the shotgun before
Speaker 2: it's fully.
Speaker 3: Revealed, yeah and then as a red, Herring hammer DROPS
Speaker 3: i believe a gold ring of The Tigers gang on
Speaker 3: the dead. Bodies so, anyway the gunfire alerts all of
Speaker 3: the riders, inside and this leads into this tense scene
Speaker 3: Where hammer fights through the, hideout shooting and then disappearing
Speaker 3: and they're chasing him. Around trash shows some bravado in this,
Speaker 3: fight just standing in the middle of the halls instead
Speaker 3: of instead of taking. Cover AS i said, earlier in
Speaker 3: a lot of the scenes with, Violence trash just shows
Speaker 3: uttered disregard for his own, safeties just like does not
Speaker 3: even appear to be making an effort to, survive except
Speaker 3: in like fighting and dealing blows. Back so Eventually hammer
Speaker 3: flees out a window and jumps in a big. Truck
Speaker 3: it's like A, neon, yellow green and black semi trailer
Speaker 3: truck without a. Trailer takes off down the road and
Speaker 3: the riders, follow and then there's a clever little escape
Speaker 3: moment where the truck slows down And Vic marrow jumps
Speaker 3: out of the truck onto an elevated train, platform and
Speaker 3: then the truck keeps. Going the riders keep chasing the
Speaker 3: truck once they finally catch up to. It is there anyone?
Speaker 3: Inside why there? Is and it's Hot, dog Hot?
Speaker 2: Dog all, right we'll finally get to figure out what
Speaker 2: Hot dog's all? About what's the all? About will we really?
Speaker 3: Know so they're, like, oh it's Hot, dog of, course
Speaker 3: And ice is immediately mad at Hot. Dog ice accuses
Speaker 3: him of trying to help the guy who attacked them,
Speaker 3: escape which does seem to be what. Happened Hot dog
Speaker 3: And ice trade insults and threats back and. Forth Hot
Speaker 3: dog has a prosthetic, leg And ice keeps threatening to
Speaker 3: shove it in certain. Places trash searches Hot dog's, cab
Speaker 3: doesn't find. Anything trash asks, him did you sell that
Speaker 3: gizmo To? Chris Hot dog, says, like you're gonna ask
Speaker 3: me questions about a? GIZMO i don't even know what
Speaker 3: a gizmo. Is back at the, base the writers have
Speaker 3: a kind Of viking funeral for the two riders who
Speaker 3: are killed in the. Stairwell they burn them on a
Speaker 3: giant funeral pyre and the riders each get a fistful
Speaker 3: of the ashes to ride out to The East river
Speaker 3: and throw the ashes, in THOUGH i would note that
Speaker 3: we see them do this and most of the ashes
Speaker 3: do not make it to the. Water they just kind
Speaker 3: of blow back in the rider's faces Big lebowski. Style
Speaker 3: also during the funeral, scene ultra dramatic choral. MUSIC i
Speaker 3: don't know what this music, is but for the emotional
Speaker 3: tone they, Like Oh fortuna is just incredibly dramatic kind of.
Speaker 2: Thing, yeah it really reminded me of that as. Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah very.
Speaker 3: Intense. Yeah anne blames herself for what. Happened she says
Speaker 3: it never would have happened if she didn't come, here
Speaker 3: But trash tells her it's The. Bronx worse things happen every. Day.
Speaker 3: Now there are more scenes of scheming between the bad.
Speaker 3: Guys we get these phone calls Between fisher And hammer
Speaker 3: Where fisher's, like work, faster what AM i paying you
Speaker 3: for that kind of? Thing Meanwhile hammer is, LIKE i
Speaker 3: don't care about. Anything fire me if you, WANT i don't,
Speaker 3: care And fisher keeps him on the, job he explains
Speaker 3: to his toady That hammer is a better option than
Speaker 3: sending a special squad because they can't have any negative.
Speaker 3: Publicity he, says it can only Be. Hammer he was
Speaker 3: born in The, bronx he's one of. Them and then
Speaker 3: the vice President guy's, like but he has his own
Speaker 3: acts to grind and he's a killer at, Heart and
Speaker 3: Then fisher says he's just an hoole who thinks He's,
Speaker 3: god to which the vice president, REPLIES i hope you're.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah this sounds like the perfect guy to hire
Speaker 2: when you cannot have any bad publicity at. All let's
Speaker 2: just hire an absolute. PSYCHOPATH i really hope this guy
Speaker 2: we hired his delusions of grandeur that will get in
Speaker 2: the way of him being able to perform his task.
Speaker 3: Effectively that'll never happen. Anyway anne is feeling guilty about
Speaker 3: causing the deaths of her gang. Mates they were Named
Speaker 3: sandy And, speedy by the, Way so what speedy sounds
Speaker 3: like an insulting name for a motorcycle gang. Member don't
Speaker 3: it sound like you're mocking him or? Something?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah why didn't this guy get a good name like?
Speaker 3: Trash so she rides off on a motorcycle on her.
Speaker 3: Own she goes to the beach to. Brood, meanwhile back
Speaker 3: at gang, headquarters a debate breaks. Out so they find
Speaker 3: The tiger's ring on the, bodies And ice is, like,
Speaker 3: LOOK i told, you told, you this is evidence from
Speaker 3: my previous. Argument The tigers are making moves against. Us
Speaker 3: we got to bring war to the. Tigers And ice
Speaker 3: gets everybody in the gang chanting like, yeah, war kill, them,
Speaker 3: all kill. Them But trash is the voice of reason.
Speaker 3: Here he's, like, look we don't know what was the.
Speaker 3: Tigers this could be a trick trying to get us
Speaker 3: to do exactly what you're doing. Now And, blade the trusty,
Speaker 3: sideman he sides With. Trash he's, like you, Know he's, like,
Speaker 3: yeah let's let's let's take more time to figure out
Speaker 3: what's really going. On but basically everybody seems to be
Speaker 3: On ICE's, side itching for, war so you, Know trash
Speaker 3: could have a mutiny on his hands. Here the scene
Speaker 3: also has some lines we probably shouldn't quote on unless
Speaker 3: we want to get the podcast. Flagged but it's, some
Speaker 3: as you said in a text to, Me, rob great
Speaker 3: moments and. Cussing it's so. Good oh, yeah we.
Speaker 2: CAN'T i guess we can't say, it but it's it's
Speaker 2: pretty incredible laugh out loud.
Speaker 3: Moment. Yeah So trash finds, that he goes and he
Speaker 3: Finds anne on the. Beach he rides out to be
Speaker 3: with her and they have an emotional heart to. Heart
Speaker 3: this scene is also. Unintentionally ann says she Loves, trash
Speaker 3: but she can't stay because she knows she's the cause
Speaker 3: of these killings and if she, stays more people will.
Speaker 3: Die trash has a very philosophical response to. This he,
Speaker 3: SAYS i wrote this. Down he, says. Nonsense we were born.
Speaker 3: Dead life means. Nothing we live with death every single.
Speaker 3: Day death walks with, Us death rides and sleeps with.
Speaker 3: Us we carry its smell onto our. Skins so don't
Speaker 3: go blame in.
Speaker 2: Yourself stop stop making so much, Sense.
Speaker 3: Trash. Yeah anne explains that when she comes of, age
Speaker 3: she will have to. Inherit the throne of The Manhattan,
Speaker 3: corporation which wrote this down also quote controls over sixty
Speaker 3: percent of the world's arms, production which Means i'd be
Speaker 3: a mere puppet on a, string manipulated by, greedy power crazed.
Speaker 3: Hands they're, Unscrupulous, trash AND i don't want any part in.
Speaker 3: It yet without, me they're. Powerless, okay so now you
Speaker 3: understand why they'll act at any, cost use any means
Speaker 3: to get their filthy hands on. Me, No, trash these
Speaker 3: killings were not a. Coincidence, GOD i was trying to.
Speaker 3: Understand why would they be powerless without?
Speaker 2: HER i, mean it seems like it would at most
Speaker 2: be a temporary, scenario, Right, like at some point there
Speaker 2: has to be some sort of a plan that kicks
Speaker 2: in if the Air apparent refuses to take the throne
Speaker 2: or is declared dead or is killed by cannibals underneath the,
Speaker 2: Bronx like something has to happen, next unless IT'S i,
Speaker 2: guess set up to where like the corporation just you,
Speaker 2: know comes apart at the seams.
Speaker 3: And there it's in their bylaws that if they don't
Speaker 3: have like a hereditary air to assume the throne at
Speaker 3: a certain, time the corporation just.
Speaker 2: Dissolves, YEAH i. Guess so that's the BEST i can imagine.
Speaker 3: Here, Anyway so he, Is so she gives that, speech
Speaker 3: And trash, says if this is, true you'd be running
Speaker 3: right back into their. Arms she, SAYS i, know but
Speaker 3: better that than seeing you. Killed and Then trash hair
Speaker 3: blowing in the. Sea breeze, says at least dying for
Speaker 3: you would give my life a. Meaning and so they
Speaker 3: ride off. Together, however on the way, back when riding
Speaker 3: through a, TUNNEL i think the same tunnel where they
Speaker 3: had the fight scene.
Speaker 2: Earlier, yeah it would be the room sound stage, Interior.
Speaker 3: Trash And anne are ambushed by. Zombies not the, zombies
Speaker 3: but the zombies the roller hockey. Players trash is trapped
Speaker 3: in a net and knocked, unconscious And anne is kidnapped
Speaker 3: back to the zombies headquarters the roller hockey.
Speaker 2: Dojo all, right so everything is thrown in. Disarray our
Speaker 2: lovers are. Separated what's going to?
Speaker 3: Happen so there is a scene Between hammer and Hot.
Speaker 3: Dog Hot dog Helped hammer because he owed him a,
Speaker 3: favor but he doesn't want to get caught up in
Speaker 3: a gang. War and we learned that the girl is.
Speaker 3: Important hammer explains she's going to be the future president
Speaker 3: of The Manhattan. Corporation he's, like you gotta help. Me
Speaker 3: Hot dog, says how much are you gonna pay? Me hammer,
Speaker 3: says don't talk to me that. Way don't talk to
Speaker 3: me that way, ever and then Later hammer says that
Speaker 3: Hot dog needs to set up a meeting between himself
Speaker 3: Between hammer And. Ice Hot dog, says, ooh but be.
Speaker 3: Careful ice is. Ambitious you, know he wants to take
Speaker 3: over the. Gang he wants to Usurp, trash And hammer says.
Speaker 3: Exactly Hot dog, says you're playing with. Fire hammer, SAYS i,
Speaker 3: know AND i love. IT i love.
Speaker 2: It And Vic morro is so. Good you believe it
Speaker 2: like you believe this line that would just be a
Speaker 2: throwaway villain line from most. Actors that he believes. It
Speaker 2: he really believes.
Speaker 3: It So ice is still pushing for. War when we
Speaker 3: hook back up at The, gang he, say and we've
Speaker 3: got to attack the. Tigers First blade responds by, saying
Speaker 3: you've got to be. Kidding you've got your gray matter
Speaker 3: in your. Butt in the middle of this, Argument trash
Speaker 3: rides up and reports That anne has been, kidnapped And
Speaker 3: ice And trash have a disagreement over how to react to.
Speaker 3: This ice, says let's go to war against the. Tigers,
Speaker 3: oh brilliant. Ideas like, Furthermore carthage must be. Destroyed there
Speaker 3: every single scene Is ice is just we got to
Speaker 3: go to war against The. Tigers trash, Says, No, Instead
Speaker 3: i'm going to go talk to The. Ogre i'm gonna
Speaker 3: find out what's really happening and see if we can
Speaker 3: work together to Save ann from The zombies and from
Speaker 3: The Manhattan. Corporation But ice, says how are you going
Speaker 3: to get To Ogre because you'd have to go through
Speaker 3: the territories of The, jackals The, scavengers The. Sharks you'd
Speaker 3: have to make it all the way back To Coney
Speaker 3: island in one. Night, yeah that's a whole movie right.
Speaker 3: There it is the plot of The warriors condensed into The,
Speaker 3: bronx except we're not going to see most of these
Speaker 3: gang there's only a couple of.
Speaker 2: Them, YEAH i can only imagine what who The jackals?
Speaker 3: Were The. Sharks, Yeah So trash decides to take a
Speaker 3: team with, him and he leaves his trusty Friend blade
Speaker 3: behind to keep an eye On. Ice so let's. See
Speaker 3: we get a scene at the zombies headquarters Where ann Meets,
Speaker 3: golum the head of The. Zombies this Is George, Eastman,
Speaker 3: rob you have comments on this place sort of a training. Gym,
Speaker 3: YEAH i love.
Speaker 2: This they're constantly engaging in kind of it's very, colorful
Speaker 2: very theatrical terrorist. Training so there's a lot like hustling
Speaker 2: around mostly on roller skates and, yeah it's just a
Speaker 2: circus fun. House it's pretty. Great, again love the bright.
Speaker 2: Colors love this this makeover For George eastman where he
Speaker 2: also he also kind of looks like he's taking a
Speaker 2: break from being like a mocap villain on A Mortal kombat.
Speaker 2: Game you, know he's got something about the costume, Here.
Speaker 3: Yeah the spread, out like THE v shaped pads and
Speaker 3: the shoulders it. Does it looks like like a red
Speaker 3: version of like The scorpion sub zero suit In Mortal. Kombat,
Speaker 3: yeah except without a without a head. Covering. Yeah so
Speaker 3: this place, ALSO i, like has tire swings, inside but
Speaker 3: this very painted.
Speaker 2: White. YEAH i think that it has that sort of
Speaker 2: like terrorist training on a playground feel to, it where
Speaker 2: it feels like like it's a set From bozo The,
Speaker 2: clown except you have all these these heartless soldiers that
Speaker 2: are training their their conquest exercises.
Speaker 3: Here. Yeah it is a mix between like The Specter
Speaker 3: kill training grounds in A James bond movie and like
Speaker 3: A Dz discovery. Zone also they've Got anne chained up
Speaker 3: in the middle of the, gymnasium just right in the
Speaker 3: middle where everybody's running around on skates around. Her So
Speaker 3: trash and his cycle notts are now traveling through the
Speaker 3: different gang. Territories my favorite gang again or the top
Speaker 3: hat ballet mimes and the kiss. Makeup we run into
Speaker 3: them in some room with all these. COLUMNS i think
Speaker 3: these are called The Iron. Men but they're about to
Speaker 3: have to fight with all these. Guys but Then, trash their,
Speaker 3: leader comes, out who is a woman in a gold
Speaker 3: top hat and a gold, suit And trash flirts with,
Speaker 3: her and after some kind of light threats back and,
Speaker 3: forth she actually she reveals she likes. Him she lets
Speaker 3: them pass through. Unharmed she, says you're, Lucky. Trash you,
Speaker 3: See i've got a soft spot in my heart for.
Speaker 3: You And trash, says and they, say you've got an iron.
Speaker 2: Heart, ah there you. Go that's where the iron in comes. From, yeah,
Speaker 2: YEAH i love this. FACTION i like to think that
Speaker 2: they're all Like broadway musical exiles who have been like you,
Speaker 2: know they have had a fleet to The, bronx AND
Speaker 2: i love. That, hey we didn't have to solve this
Speaker 2: one with. Violence this one was more of a charisma
Speaker 2: saving throat sort of, thing so they're able to keep moving.
Speaker 3: Now in the, meantime here there is some scheming Between
Speaker 3: hammer And. Ice ice Betrays trash so that he can
Speaker 3: take over the. Gang blade snoops on this, meeting by
Speaker 3: the way he sees them making a, deal But ice
Speaker 3: Gives hammer a spike club just Like trash's signature, weapons
Speaker 3: so this is gonna be perfect for a frame up.
Speaker 3: Later and Then blade runs After trash to warn, him
Speaker 3: but he gets caught by The. Scavengers so this is
Speaker 3: another sequence of the gang territory The trash and his
Speaker 3: men must pass. Through they got to go through The scavenger's,
Speaker 3: ground which is like a DUSTY i want to say,
Speaker 3: sewer but it's not. Wet it's like a, dusty dry
Speaker 3: underground sewer underground passageways and, catacombs and there are these
Speaker 3: mutant kind of dudes down there wearing rags with like
Speaker 3: white dusty faces and just dust coming off of them
Speaker 3: and dangling, bandages almost like they're kind of mummies or.
Speaker 3: SOMETHING i don't know what these guys are, exactly BUT
Speaker 3: i assume there's some kind of mutants or something in the.
Speaker 2: Sewers, yeah, yeah just some sort of mutant, creatures mutated. Humans,
Speaker 2: yeah they don't seem to really have care. Characters they're just.
Speaker 3: Hostile but eventually we come into the third, act which
Speaker 3: is when we hook back up with the tigers and
Speaker 3: With ogre And. Witch so when we first Meet ogre,
Speaker 3: again he's like going through all of these shipments THAT
Speaker 3: i think are going to be distributed to the neighborhoods
Speaker 3: in The. Bronx so this is your classic gang leader
Speaker 3: who is showing his large ass to the, people you,
Speaker 3: know making making friends of the people by giving gifts to,
Speaker 3: THEM i. Believe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah and again he sees himself as the king
Speaker 2: of The, bronx and apparently to some, degree takes it
Speaker 2: seriously and is bestowing goods and gifts upon.
Speaker 3: Them so he's hanging out in his big pleasure, dome you,
Speaker 3: know with all of his. FRIENDS i think they actually
Speaker 3: have a tiger in. There, yeah and they've got music
Speaker 3: and it's just cool people lounging about And ogre and
Speaker 3: which and So trash is trying to sneak into this
Speaker 3: place to talk To. Ogre but, unfortunately while he is sneaking.
Speaker 3: IN i feel like he shouldn't have snuck. In he
Speaker 3: should just kind of like go hands up and be like,
Speaker 3: OPENLY i want to talk To. Ogre the sneaking in
Speaker 3: kind of gets him in trouble because while he's sneaking,
Speaker 3: in he gets caught by one member of The, tigers
Speaker 3: and Then hammer is. There by the, way did you
Speaker 3: note How hammer just straight up has teleportation powers in this.
Speaker 3: Movie he never seems to take him any time to
Speaker 3: get between. Places he's just instantly wherever the plot needs
Speaker 3: him to be at any given.
Speaker 2: Time, yeah he's like the. Devil he just pops up
Speaker 2: As nata.
Speaker 3: Or Like Jason, vorhees he's how did he get in
Speaker 3: front of? Us but he in this, case he just
Speaker 3: appears behind this guy and throws a spike club into
Speaker 3: the guy's back and Frames trash for the. Murder so
Speaker 3: he's trying to Get ogre to Kill trash so that
Speaker 3: he can Make hans The king of The riders and
Speaker 3: he can Get anne back to take her back to
Speaker 3: The Manhattan. Corporation so it looks like that's gonna happen
Speaker 3: for a. While but THEN i, think sort of which
Speaker 3: stands up For, trash. Doesn't she kind of vouches for
Speaker 3: him To, ogre And ogre eventually ends up Believing. Trash
Speaker 3: now do you remember exactly what it is that kind
Speaker 3: of Gets ogre On trash's? SIDE i do.
Speaker 2: Not, yeah at this point in the, movie it. Does
Speaker 2: things begin to sort of like everything's kind of lining
Speaker 2: up and you can kind of see where things are.
Speaker 2: Going but, yeah whatever doubt was there is swiftly, erased
Speaker 2: and it becomes clear that there's gonna be a there's
Speaker 2: gonna be An Ogre trash team up. Here, yes they're
Speaker 2: going to be a united front against the. Enemies it's
Speaker 2: a great team.
Speaker 3: Up so Once trash And ogre are on the same,
Speaker 3: team which comes with them and the three of them
Speaker 3: head back down into the, sewers Into scavenger Territory, uh
Speaker 3: and they're going to go to where the zombies are
Speaker 3: because they find out that the zombies Have ann and
Speaker 3: they're going to rescue. Her so this leads into some
Speaker 3: great fight Scenes Ogre witch And uh And hammer or
Speaker 3: Not hammer, Sorry Ogre witch and fighting the. Mutants LIKE
Speaker 3: i said, EARLIER i really Enjoy Fred williamson's fight. SCENES
Speaker 3: i really enjoy witch in the fight scenes as. Well
Speaker 3: she's got a whip with her and she cracks it
Speaker 3: on the bad.
Speaker 2: GUYS i think we get an excellent beheading of one
Speaker 2: of the mutants By ogre here to punctuate this fight.
Speaker 3: Sequence but eventually they make their way to the zombies
Speaker 3: headquarters where Where ogre Fights. Golum NOW i think they
Speaker 3: have some kind of history.
Speaker 2: Together oh, yeah surely. SO i don't know that we're
Speaker 2: really privy to it, all but, yeah these these these
Speaker 2: two are well aware of each. Other so, yeah we
Speaker 2: get this wonderful fight Between ogre And, goluin Between Fred
Speaker 2: williamson And George, eastman which my only complaint is the.
Speaker 2: Short it's a short. Fight it doesn't take up a
Speaker 2: lot of screen, time but what you get is. Fun
Speaker 2: it feels it feels very. Stiff, AGAIN i don't know
Speaker 2: that these guys were actually punching each. Other i'm just saying.
Speaker 2: It it feels violent and uh and it ends. Up
Speaker 2: it ends in a VERY i, thought it's definitely a quality.
Speaker 2: Kill so we have this great sequence Where golum has
Speaker 2: a knife and he's coming At ogre with it And
Speaker 2: ogre like counters and like puts him in a hammer
Speaker 2: lock holding the knife and then plunges his head through
Speaker 2: a pane of glass and we get The we cut
Speaker 2: to the shot outside and seeing his bloody, Face eastman's
Speaker 2: bloody face coming through the, glass and then again the.
Speaker 2: Dagger hen still in a hammer. Lock he then Stabs
Speaker 2: gollum in the, back and so Now golam is dead
Speaker 2: And ogre is. Victorious pretty.
Speaker 3: Great you can always Tell georgiesman likes to get his
Speaker 3: face bloodied up in a. Movie, yeah, yeah so, yeah
Speaker 3: it gets the glass. Cuts but, okay so That's golum Versus.
Speaker 3: Ogre ogre. Wins we're about to get another big show
Speaker 3: down Because trash freeze and from her. Chains but then
Speaker 3: we get a confrontation Between trash And, ice and Now
Speaker 3: trash learn has learned That ice is a. Trader they
Speaker 3: have a good confrontation where at First ice tries to
Speaker 3: talk his way out of, it but then he like
Speaker 3: pulls a dirty fight. Move he like tries to Surprise
Speaker 3: trash and hit him with. Something yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Because prior to, that he's, LIKE i did this all for, You,
Speaker 2: Trash Like i've been setting this up for. You this
Speaker 2: is to ensure your rule. Man but when that lie,
Speaker 2: fails he's, Like i'm just gonna kick you with the. Spike,
Speaker 2: yeah but In trash is too good of a fighter for.
Speaker 3: That that's, Right Trash. WENDSY i think he Throws ice
Speaker 3: into a pit that's got spikes at the, bottom And
Speaker 3: ice is impaled on this big on this big spike
Speaker 3: going through his.
Speaker 2: Guts there's a lot of really good like fall stunts
Speaker 2: in this, picture people plunging from heights Where i'm like
Speaker 2: that that looked that looked pretty.
Speaker 3: High, yeah all, right So anne has been, rescued the
Speaker 3: main bad guys have been. Defeated it seems we Defeated
Speaker 3: we Defeated ice The, Trader we defeated the bad guy
Speaker 3: who ran the, zombies and our, Heroes trash And anne An.
Speaker 3: Ogre they can all go back to The tigers headquarters
Speaker 3: and just chill, right hang. Out everything things, good but
Speaker 3: it was not to. Be we get a tragic.
Speaker 2: Ending, yeah that's, right because it is Finally hammer. Time
Speaker 2: hammer arrives with just an assault, team just, choppers, horses.
Speaker 2: Flamethrowers hammer at this point is as we alluded to,
Speaker 2: earlier just like full black. Leather Police CHIEF m bison mode,
Speaker 2: here just total fascist enforcer murder murder. Cop he is laughing.
Speaker 2: Monighacally he's no longer this independent contractor bounty, hunter like
Speaker 2: he is like the the the institution of of of
Speaker 2: government violence. Itself and this this is just a bonker sequence,
Speaker 2: Too like there are flamethrower users on. Horseback these guys
Speaker 2: are on horseback using, flamethrowers which it's.
Speaker 3: Kind of, Ridiculous, yeah kind of.
Speaker 2: Ridiculous but also these flamethrower throwers look really. Nasty it's
Speaker 2: really Really, yeah it's it's certainly disturbing and, effective and
Speaker 2: they just start killing.
Speaker 3: Everybody And, hammer by the, way is like standing up
Speaker 3: in this upper floor while watching all of this carnage
Speaker 3: In mayhem and just laughing maniacally like ha ha ha, ha,
Speaker 3: yes all the. Death at one point he, Says hammer
Speaker 3: Says hammer Is god And god Is.
Speaker 2: Hammer, yeah definitely some delusions of grandeur. Here, yeah so
Speaker 2: it's it's again you, said it's a tragic ending because
Speaker 2: in the midst of all this, violence all the characters we, Like,
Speaker 2: yeah everyone that we like. Dies ogre. Dies, yeah he
Speaker 2: really gets to milk that death sequence. Though so so that's, good,
Speaker 2: good good scene, there solid, stuff and then Unfortunately anna
Speaker 2: dies as, well she's. Shot but in the midst of,
Speaker 2: this Luckily trash does get to Defeat. Hammer hammer is
Speaker 2: still on the upper. Floor he like fires a grappling
Speaker 2: hook into him and pulls him down and he falls
Speaker 2: to his, death and then he drags him behind his
Speaker 2: motorcycle through the streets of The. Bronx and, that believe
Speaker 2: it or, not is the ending to the.
Speaker 3: Movie, yeah the, Hero, trash the only character we like
Speaker 3: who's still, alive kills the bad guy with a grappling
Speaker 3: hook and drags his body behind his motorcycle is the
Speaker 3: ending of the. Movie and by the, Way anne's last
Speaker 3: line where she's like dying In trash's arms is remember
Speaker 3: we in The bronx live with.
Speaker 2: DEATH i think he's gonna remember. It, Yeah so you,
Speaker 2: know at this, point The bronx is like entirely destabilized
Speaker 2: from all of, This like all the major players except
Speaker 2: For trash have been. Killed we don't get a sense
Speaker 2: That trash even wants to take the reins and become
Speaker 2: like the New king of The bronx or even continue
Speaker 2: to run the. Riders so, yeah it seems like a
Speaker 2: pretty bleak ending doesn't leave us a lot of, hope
Speaker 2: though we might hold out some hope that one Day
Speaker 2: trash will escape The.
Speaker 3: Bronx is that what we're doing next?
Speaker 2: WEEK i THINK i think we'll we should take a
Speaker 2: break and maybe we'll come back to.
Speaker 3: It though this was so much fun for. Sure, okay
Speaker 3: well that is nineteen Ninety The Bronx. Warriors it is
Speaker 3: what it. Is but it is pretty.
Speaker 2: Great, yeah so, yeah we'll go and close it. Out
Speaker 2: but we'd love to hear from everyone out. There i'd
Speaker 2: especially love as, Always i'd love to hear from anyone
Speaker 2: who watched this back in the. Day i'd love to
Speaker 2: hear from anybody who lives in The bronx. Today, yeah
Speaker 2: tell us about The, bronx what life in The bronx
Speaker 2: is like today and how it differs from this, movie.
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Speaker 3: deal with like why are we always looking At manhattan From?
Speaker 3: Brooklyn or AM i wrong about? That MAYBE i?
Speaker 2: Am, well, yeah definitely right. In we'd love to hear from.
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