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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey you welcome to Weird House Cinema.

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Speaker 3: This is Rob Lamb, and this is Joe McCormick. And

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Speaker 3: today on Weird House Cinema, we're gonna be talking about

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Speaker 3: the nineteen eighty two Italian sci fi action film nineteen

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Speaker 3: ninety colon The Bronx Warriors, directed by Inzog Castellari, starring

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Speaker 3: Mark Gregory, Vic Morrow and Fred Williamson. Is this movie

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Speaker 3: a copycat mashup of Escape from New York directed by

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Speaker 3: John Carpenter and The Warriors directed by Walter Hill. Yes,

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Speaker 3: it is absolutely those things, But this is one of

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Speaker 3: those cases where a copycat mashup film is more than

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Speaker 3: the sum of its parts, at least in my opinion.

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Speaker 3: I think it's not as good as either of the

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Speaker 3: main movies that it's copying, but I would say it's

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Speaker 3: at least as entertaining as either of them. I found

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Speaker 3: this a thoroughly absorbing spaghetti dystopia. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is not a dull exercise in ripoffs or

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Speaker 2: anything like. This film has cool cast makes use of

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Speaker 2: some great legitimate early eighties Bronx locations that you just look,

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Speaker 2: you know, absolutely post apocalyptic, and we'll get into some

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Speaker 2: of those reasons in a bit, as well as some

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Speaker 2: excellent Roman soundstages. But yeah, it has a great look,

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Speaker 2: has some cool actors in it, and is weird enough

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Speaker 2: in its choices that you're like, oh, oh, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: can see that. I can since the DNA, I know

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Speaker 2: where what elements are coming together in this particular scene.

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Speaker 2: But it's still coming to get together in a way

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Speaker 2: that feels fresh and even daring at times.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, So I think we should start here just

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Speaker 3: with a short plot summary, or at least plots set

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Speaker 3: it goes like this, eight years into the future, in

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Speaker 3: the Horrible year nineteen ninety, the Bronx is a war zone.

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Speaker 3: The cops don't go there. It is ruled by the Gangs.

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Speaker 3: Gangs like the Riders, the Tigers, Scavengers, the Zombies, and

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Speaker 3: the Iron Men. There are other gangs mentioned in the movie.

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Speaker 3: I'd just say question marks about those other ones because

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Speaker 3: I don't know if we ever see them, But the

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Speaker 3: Riders are maybe unsurprisingly an outlaw biker gang. The Tigers

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Speaker 3: are like, what's what's their deal? They're like cool classic cars,

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Speaker 3: nineteen thirties and forties.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, classic cars, nightclub finery, with maybe a dash of

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Speaker 2: like sword and sand Olympic.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, a little bit of that too, because sometimes

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Speaker 3: their leader, the Ogre played by Fred Williamson, is dressed

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Speaker 3: like a pirate. Yeah, he wears like a pirate, like

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Speaker 3: like a frilly pirate shirt, but in kind of Las

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he wears fine things. Well.

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Speaker 3: We also have a gang called the Scavengers, which I

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Speaker 3: have questions about whether they should be called a gang.

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Speaker 3: They rather more seem like a subspecies. They're like a

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Speaker 3: mutant or a type of zombie or something that lives

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they are exclusively underground, pale, pasty makeup, look a

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Speaker 2: little bit undead, a little bit mutated. There's certainly, and

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Speaker 2: then the Chuds came at me vibe to this.

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Speaker 3: Faction exactly, though not wet zombies. They're dry, dusty zombies. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And then confusingly, those the Scavengers are zombies. There's another

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Speaker 3: gang that is not zombies, but they're called the Zombies.

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Speaker 3: The zombies are like roller hockey players.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're they're basically their whole vibe is kind of

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Speaker 2: like American gladiator Samurai roller skaters, and they actually have

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Speaker 2: obviously all of this is inspired by the Warriors, which

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Speaker 2: and so it's very much in the flavor of that,

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Speaker 3: They're a lot of fun. I would say my favorite gang.

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Speaker 3: We meet in the movie. We only get a very

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Speaker 3: brief encounter with them. I wish there was more. But

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Speaker 3: they are called the Iron Men, and these are the

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Speaker 2: Yes, they're great as well, but this makes me feel

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Speaker 2: the iron Men would drive classic cars. Meanwhile, the Tigers

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Speaker 2: Clearly, the zombies should be the actual zombie adjacent creatures

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Speaker 3: So anyway, that's what's going on in the Bronx. Those

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Speaker 3: in the city, we meet a rich heiress named Anne.

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Speaker 3: Now I was originally gonna say her name is Anne Fisher,

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Speaker 3: But Sam Fisher. Anyway, that's probably too much preamble. And

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Speaker 3: So in rebellion against this In rebellion against this hollow

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Speaker 3: teenage king Trash. Yes, I can't wait till we talk

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Speaker 3: about Mark Gregory and Trash. But then in response Anne's

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Speaker 3: father and the Manhattan Corporation, they raise the banners. Basically

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Speaker 3: they won't let her go that easily. So to retrieve

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Speaker 3: his daughter, Fisher hires an unstoppable, cold hearted mercenary named

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Speaker 3: snake Place, I mean named Hammer to go into the

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Speaker 3: so the setup of the story is, can Trash and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe one day they will truly escape the Bronx,

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Speaker 2: but that is another story.

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Speaker 3: And she'll be told another time now. I Yeah. So

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Speaker 3: there is another movie called Escape the Bronx is by

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Speaker 2: Yep, yep, Mark Gregory. It's very much the sequel to this.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, so straight up sequel, like acknowledged sequel with

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Speaker 3: the same characters. Yeah, yeah, okay, cool. Well I would

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't have a stellar a cast, but I

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Speaker 2: I've watched a riff version at least. But yeah, The

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Speaker 2: Bronx Warriors is a lot of fun here. I should

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Speaker 2: mention there's also a lot of discussion of a gizmo.

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Speaker 2: This is not a magua. So if you hear us

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Speaker 2: referencing the gizmo, you may every time they mentioned the gizmo,

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Speaker 2: So this movie I alluded to this already was famously

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Speaker 2: But I don't have any hard facts on that, but

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Speaker 2: at the wrong subway stop and emerging in post apocalyptic

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Speaker 2: the Bronx in the early eighties, and they were just like,

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Speaker 3: I have a lot of questions about how this movie

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Speaker 2: Well you need you need one of those little GPS

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Speaker 3: Though without any street names or buildings or anything, just.

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Speaker 2: The general shape, the geographic shape of the islands.

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Speaker 2: The Bronx in this film is kind of like a

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Speaker 2: by the mist, very much true. So my elevator pitch

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Speaker 2: we don't escape from the Bronx until the next picture.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, we already mentioned some ways in which this

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Speaker 3: it was making me have thoughts about different kinds of

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Speaker 3: It actually comes together in a way that feels pretty unique,

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Speaker 3: while I would say it does clearly have some plot

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Speaker 3: elements and costumes and situations borrowed from these other movies

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Speaker 3: Escape from New York and The Warriors, I would say

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Speaker 3: it's not like trying to copy the cinematography of John

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Speaker 3: I'm making an Italian Escape from New York. It's smashing

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Speaker 2: Like I'm not given enough credit when I'm say that

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Speaker 2: this sort of you know, teenage emo sort of a vibe,

432
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 2: so that it's there in his physical energy as well.

433
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 2: And it doesn't help that his co stars and a

434
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 2: lot of these scenes are first of all, you know,

435
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 2: like you know, season seasoned or at least semi seasoned

436
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 2: actors in their their thirties, as well as like actual

437
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 2: Hell's Angels hired to be the other bikers. So of

438
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 2: course this this this young you know body guy fresh

439
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 2: out of the gym outside of Rome, is gonna look

440
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 2: a little different compared to these just you know, road

441
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,720
Speaker 2: roasted Hell's Angels guys who were just rugged as all

442
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 2: get out. Yeah, there's a bit of a physical visual

443
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 2: mismatch there.

444
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny, but it also it's kind of interesting.

445
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 3: It's funny and interesting. I mean there are the funny

446
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,120
Speaker 3: part is like practical questions like how would you actually

447
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 3: get to be the king of a biker gang if

448
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 3: you're not old enough to buy beer?

449
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 2: I mean, my, I guess he's he's like Alexander the Great,

450
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 2: you know, or like one of these child pharaohs from

451
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 2: throughout history. You know, maybe it was a birthright for trash.

452
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 3: Oh third, I like that. Yeah, we don't know anything

453
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 3: about the like what came before, but but it does

454
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 3: create these interesting dynamics, like when he has to fight

455
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 3: against internal descent, and clearly everybody else in the gang

456
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 3: both is and seems way more mature than him. But

457
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 3: also he's the like muscliest guy in the gang, So

458
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 3: he's younger than everybody else, but he's also like bigger

459
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,959
Speaker 3: and buffer than everybody else. I don't know. Yeah, so

460
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,919
Speaker 3: and yeah, it's him squaring off against these like older,

461
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 3: kind of grizzled character actors, and then just like literal

462
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 3: actual Hell's Angels, people who look like they may have

463
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 3: been dealing drugs on the side while shooting the movie.

464
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, Gregory too, he has a very unique physique. So

465
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 2: there's a there's a muscle guy that is supposed to

466
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: be Trash in the poster art for this film, and

467
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 2: Trash does no, don't really look that much like him. Again,

468
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 2: Trash is really really muscular, but he's also really lanky

469
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 2: in a way, so he's like very long limbed, which

470
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 2: I think also makes him look taller than he actually

471
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 2: is compared to the other actors. So there is he

472
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 2: does stand out, you know, stands out from the crowd

473
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,919
Speaker 2: for sure. But yeah, a very unique physical specimen to

474
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 2: be sure.

475
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and very like long hair that they love to

476
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 3: frame blowing in the wind. Oh yeah.

477
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 2: So he has kind of a glam rock vibe as well, Yes,

478
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 2: so yeah, and he looks like a barbarian to be clear. Yeah,

479
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 2: So that's Mark Gregory. We'll have more to say about

480
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 2: this performance as we proceed, but we've got a number

481
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 2: of other weirdly named characters to get through here. I'm

482
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 2: going I think I'm going in billing order here. But

483
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 2: I have some questions about how necessary this next character

484
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 2: is because we have Christopher Connolly, who of nineteen forty

485
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 2: one through nineteen eighty eight, playing a man called hot Dog.

486
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 2: Hot Dog is his name, and he has a truck.

487
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 3: Yeah. I just realized, I've watched the movie twice now

488
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 3: and I don't remember what happens to hot Dog in

489
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 3: the end.

490
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 2: He has a truck. He knows about gizmo's and I

491
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 2: believe he is.

492
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 3: Shot doesn't He doesn't know about gizzez.

493
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 2: He doesn't know about gizmos. Okay, does purpose here?

494
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 3: They people try to corner him and be like, hey,

495
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 3: you're the ones who's dealing these gizmos. He's like, I

496
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 3: don't even know what a gizmo is.

497
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I guess the main thing is he has

498
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 2: a truck. And it's weird because I like this actor,

499
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 2: you know, I'm like, this guy seems interesting. I kind

500
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 2: of want to see him in other movies, but I

501
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 2: really don't know what purpose he has here. Christopher Connolly

502
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 2: was an American actor. His credits go back to sixty

503
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 2: two TV appearances on things like The Alfred Hitchcock Hour,

504
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 2: A Big A main role on the primetime soap opera

505
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 2: Payton Place, and then he appears in the seventy four

506
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 2: film Bingi, the seventy eight film The Norseman from Charles B. Pierce, Oh,

507
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 2: a Viking movie.

508
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 3: But Charles B. Pierce, the director of Legend of Boggy Creek,

509
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 3: exactly made a Viking movie. They did.

510
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 2: And he continued to work in TV, but in the

511
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 2: nineteen eighties he was doing a lot of Italian B

512
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 2: cinema as well. So he pops up in Manhattan Baby

513
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 2: from Fulchi eighty three's Atlantis Interceptors eighty six is The

514
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: Minds of Kilimanjaro. Eighty six is Cobra Mission eighty eight

515
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: to nine of the Sharks, And I believe that was

516
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 2: his final film. And yeah, he did a lot of work,

517
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 2: and I kind of I kind of want to see

518
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: him in a film that where he has more purpose

519
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 2: because he doesn't really have much. He has stuff to do,

520
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 2: but he, like I said, you could cut him out

521
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 2: and you wouldn't miss him at all.

522
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't recall if his character does anything. The

523
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 3: main plot function he has is he connects hammer to ice. Yeah,

524
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 3: both characters we have explained yet.

525
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he connects the dots he sets to hear

526
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 2: why to see on the screen, just to confuse with

527
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: other characters, I guess, because the other ones we're about

528
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 2: to name have far more crucial roles in the picture,

529
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: beginning with Fred Williamson born nineteen thirty eight playing a

530
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: man called Ogre.

531
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 3: I love Fred Williamson in this. One of my only

532
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 3: complaints about the movie is that I wish there was

533
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 3: more Fred Williamson in it. Every scene with him is

534
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 3: a treat. He's one of these guys where you can

535
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 3: just feel how much he loves being in movies, you

536
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 3: know what I mean. Yeah, Like he's obviously having a

537
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 3: great time dressed up in this purple pirate shirt decapitating

538
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 3: mutants in the sewer. It's like this is the life,

539
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 3: and the feeling is infectious. The other thought I have

540
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 3: about this character is that it makes no sense whatsoever

541
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 3: that this character is named the Ogre. Unless it's supposed

542
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 3: to be an ironic title. He's not in the least

543
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 3: bit ogre. Like, what are the characteristics of somebody called Ogre?

544
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 3: It would be somebody who's like a big, strong, stupid, clumsy,

545
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 3: brutish And this character is the exact opposite. He is

546
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 3: like suave, clever, and deft. He's literally the opposite of ogreishness.

547
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure who you would really trade names

548
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: because he doesn't feel like a hot dog either.

549
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. I guess he's tall, so he fits big right.

550
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, yeah, he's tall. So yeah, Fred Williams and

551
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 2: I agree, pretty terrific in this he plays the leader

552
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 2: of the Tigers and the self proclaimed king of the Bronx.

553
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 2: So Fred Williamson is I think any football fans listening

554
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 2: here today. American football fans know that he was a

555
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 2: professional player in the nineteen sixties, and then as that

556
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 2: career comes to an end, he turns to film, and

557
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: so he becomes a major blaxploitation figure in blaxploitation cinema

558
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 2: and then an international action leading man in the seventies

559
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: and eighties. He took a special shine to Rome apparently

560
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,719
Speaker 2: in some of these productions, and ended up living and

561
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 2: working there for a good two decades. And I've read

562
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: that apparently learned to speak fluent Italian in the process,

563
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 2: which I guess will not be surprising. Maybe you're spending

564
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: that much time there. His TV credits go back to

565
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,239
Speaker 2: the late sixties again when his football career was finishing up.

566
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 2: He appears in one episode of the original Star Trek,

567
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 2: and he made his film debut in Robert Altman's nineteen

568
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: seventy hit Mash, followed by Auto Preminger's nineteen seventy film

569
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 2: Tell Me That You Love Me Juny Moon. But then

570
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 2: after that, from about seventy two through seventy five or

571
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 2: seventy six, just a whole series of black exploitation films,

572
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 2: generally during what is considered to be like the heyday

573
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 2: of this particular subgenre. He was like one of the

574
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 2: major stars towards the end of that. That's when he

575
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 2: started working in a lot of these Italian productions, and

576
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,959
Speaker 2: his credits from this time Imperio include Warriors of the

577
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 2: Lost World, Warriors of the Wasteland, Larriors of the Year

578
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: twenty seventy two, that's the full Chief film. And this

579
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 2: work continued till about about nineteen ninety one. I don't

580
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 2: know all told how many post apocalyptic barbarian warlords he played,

581
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: but at least three.

582
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 3: I think, Well he's great at it. I mean he

583
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 3: was born for it. Just YEA love him.

584
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he continued to act, appeared in such films

585
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 2: as ninety six Is from Dust Till Dawn is a

586
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 2: memorable role in that gets turned into a vampire like

587
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: pretty much everybody in that movie, and various lower budget

588
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 2: films as well. He's also produced and directed more than

589
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 2: twenty films, and I believe is still active. I think

590
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 2: he still has a film that is set to come

591
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 2: out at some point that he's in and directs. Oh wow, yeah,

592
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: still going all right, So that's ogre. Now let's come

593
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 2: back to the one they call Hammer. He even says

594
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,719
Speaker 2: at one point, I'm the one they call hammer. And

595
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 2: this is this character is played by Vic Morrow.

596
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 3: This character fits his name a little better. Yeah. Yeah.

597
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: Weirdly enough, I've read that Fred Williamson's nickname in football

598
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 2: especially was Hammer, so technically Fred fred Williamson is the Hammer. Again,

599
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 2: there's this weird feeling that, like the names here are

600
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: all scrambled and reassigned. I don't know, but that's an

601
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: exercise to play later with, like pen and paper. So anyway,

602
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 2: Vic Morrow lived nineteen twenty nine through nineteen eighty two

603
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: and was, I should note, a legit child of the Bronx.

604
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: So you know he's he is of the Bronx.

605
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 3: That's part of the character in the movie. Everybody keeps

606
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 3: mentioning he's from the Bronx. He knows the Bronx.

607
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's Yeah, there's a there's actually a really great

608
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 2: exchange where I forget who he's talking to. But they're like,

609
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: you're trying to maybe he's talking to Trash where Trash

610
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,959
Speaker 2: likes you want people to forget that you came from

611
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: the Bronx. And he's like, no, I want them to

612
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: never forget I came from the Bronx.

613
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty, which is why I'm going to destroy the Bronx. Yeah,

614
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 3: so everyone will know I came from here. Yeah.

615
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: I mean, and at this point there's you know, there's

616
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: what forty percent of the Bronx left, so it's it's

617
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 2: pretty good even less because this is the future, right, Yeah,

618
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: extrapolation of that time. Anyway, Vic Morrow, we've talked about

619
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 2: him before on the show because he was in Message

620
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 2: from Space.

621
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 3: Oh that's right, he's the one who he's talking to

622
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,719
Speaker 3: the little R two D two robot in that and

623
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 3: he's like the stars or where dreams are made, little guy.

624
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was always great he was. He

625
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: was also in the last Chart from eighty one, the

626
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 2: other Castellari film, When, which is a pretty much a

627
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 2: blatant Jaws rip off as I remember it, maybe it's

628
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: a little more nuanced than that, if I were to

629
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: get into it. But as I recall, Vic Morro basically

630
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 2: plays the Quinn character.

631
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 3: Oh, that's good casting. It is good casting. Who what

632
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 3: you know, next? Actor on the wrong down? Who do

633
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 3: you want to be? A Robert Shaw? I'd say Vic Morrow? Yeah, Yeah,

634
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 3: he was really good.

635
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: He was nominated for an Emmy in nineteen eighty three

636
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 2: for his work on the TV series Combat exclamation Point

637
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: and yeah, I don't believe we hear his actual voice

638
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: in this film, so I don't think he came back

639
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: to do his own dubbing, because he, of course died

640
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 2: during the production of nineteen eighty three's Twilight Zone the

641
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: movie in a terrible accident. But that being said, he's

642
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 2: great in this. He's really terrificness. Even if this isn't

643
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 2: his own voice, it's still a terrific physical performance. You

644
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 2: mentioned that he's kind of the snake Pliskin of this film,

645
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 2: and he is. He's kind of a mashup though of

646
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 2: Snake Pliskin Lee van Cleef's character Hawk, and then also

647
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit of action of him Bison from

648
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 2: Street Fighter, you know, especially in the latter portion of

649
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 2: the picture, because in the first half he's like an

650
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 2: independent contractor, bounty hunter, is sort of a guy, but

651
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 2: then by the end he is like an establishment uniform

652
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: dude leading a squad of like a death squad into

653
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 2: the Bronx.

654
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 3: You're entirely right. His character completely transform at the beginning,

655
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 3: He's what if Snake Pliskin was the bad guy? Is

656
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 3: what he is at the beginning of the movie, and

657
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 3: then by the end he's just the He's like a

658
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 3: head bad cop of a like mass murdering cop squad. Yeah.

659
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: Uh.

660
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 3: And so the movie does operate on a number of

661
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 3: like inversions of characters from these movies that it's copying,

662
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 3: like Escape from New York and The Warriors, Like, so

663
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 3: he is structurally Snake Pliskin. But if Snake Pliskin was

664
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 3: the villain and the movie has all these things like that,

665
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 3: it's like, what if Snake was the villain? What if

666
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 3: the Duke of New York was actually a pretty cool guy.

667
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 3: What if Donald Pleasance was a girl. What if the

668
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 3: gang from the Warriors was in here also that kind

669
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 3: of thing would.

670
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 2: It'd have been great if they'd cast I don't know

671
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 2: how old they were at the time, but Donald Pleasance

672
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 2: has like two or three daughters who acted at one

673
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: point or another, and I think maybe one of them

674
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: still does act, Like that would have been perfect. Well.

675
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 3: I like how they still keep something even though like

676
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 3: he has to be read and escape from New York

677
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,479
Speaker 3: because he's the president of the United States. In this movie,

678
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 3: it's a bit mixed up because it's half like kind

679
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 3: of ransom film, like she's the daughter of a rich,

680
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 3: powerful person, but also they keep a little bit of

681
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 3: like she's actually personally important because it's like, oh, no,

682
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 3: she's the heir of this corporation and we'll have to

683
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 3: become the president.

684
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 2: Hmmm. Yeah, Well, let's talk a little about Anna because

685
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 2: it is. The actual details about the actress here kind

686
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 2: of line up with this in interesting ways because this

687
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 2: character is played by Stephania Girolami Goodwin born nineteen sixty three.

688
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 2: She's also the assistant director on this picture because she

689
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 2: is the director's daughter.

690
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, the actress is really Inzo Castellari's daughter.

691
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, this Zenzo's daughter. She'd been in several of

692
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,359
Speaker 2: his films by this point, and she'd act in three more,

693
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 2: including Warriors of the Wasteland and Sinnett of the Seven Seas.

694
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 2: She was assistant director on this film, again, a role

695
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 2: that she would continue to serve in various productions, and

696
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 2: also productions that did not involve her father at all,

697
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 2: Like she basically kept going with the directing, even the

698
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: assistant directing, especially even though she she's left acting behind.

699
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: But she was an assistant director on nineteen ninety three

700
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 2: Super Mario Brothers, which we've talked about on the show.

701
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:25,399
Speaker 3: I would maintain still the weirdest movie we have ever done. Weird,

702
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 3: pretty weird.

703
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, ninety five's Empire Records, which I think I've seen.

704
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: It's definitely not a weird movie.

705
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 3: No, it's like, you know, kind of fun romance, drama,

706
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 3: comedy and you know, employees at a record store.

707
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, fun, as I recall. And then she also

708
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 2: directed some various Italian TV shows as well.

709
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, so yeah, she's playing the character Anne in

710
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 3: this and is we think Fisher's daughter or some other

711
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: guy off screen that we never see's daughter, but right,

712
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 3: she's important. She leaves behind the Arms Corporation to run

713
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 3: to the Bronx become become I guess just blend in

714
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 3: and live there is her plan. And then they're gonna

715
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 3: they're gonna send Vic Morrow to I guess rescue her.

716
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 3: But all he does is kill people.

717
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the mission gets a little foggy after

718
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 2: a pit here. All right, you mentioned Fisher. Samuel Fisher

719
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 2: may or may not be her father, looks kind of

720
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: like Ted Turner, played by an actor by the name

721
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 2: of Eneo Girolami who lived nineteen thirty five through twenty thirteen.

722
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 2: Italian actor with a familiar face in various productions like this,

723
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 2: various works by Zo and he also appears in Dario

724
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: Argento's Tenebra. So he's he's a familiar face if you

725
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: watch a lot of Italian genre pictures.

726
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 3: Maybe that's what I know him from. I expected him

727
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 3: to be I don't know, a more familiar actor, because

728
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 3: he looked very familiar. I felt like I've spent a

729
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 3: lot of time looking at his face before, but he

730
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 3: didn't really stand out.

731
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 2: I think he often doesn't have the must sash, and

732
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 2: that might be the reason. I think he's a little

733
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: more memorable without the mustache.

734
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 3: Do you think they were intentionally trying to make him

735
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 3: up to look like Ted Turner? Because I had the

736
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 3: same thought. He looks like Ted Turner. He's got like

737
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 3: a blonde comb over and a blonde mustache.

738
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 2: I mean it would make sense, right, you're just sort

739
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 2: of cobbling things together, like if you're gonna you're gonna

740
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 2: pick somebody, you know, some sort of like a rich

741
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:21,320
Speaker 2: American figure.

742
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 3: There.

743
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 2: They're only like a handful of choices that have that

744
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 2: kind of like international notoriety. And if so umgla they

745
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 2: went with this one, it would have been different if

746
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 2: they come with the other one.

747
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, but but I think Ted Turner also had recently

748
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 3: become more famous, like around the time this movie was made,

749
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 3: Like didn't he think he founded CNN in the very

750
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 3: early eighties, like eighty or eighty one something like that.

751
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so that that would make sense it again,

752
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 2: does it just feels like he's supposed to be Ted Turner?

753
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 2: All right, let's get let's get out of Manhattan though

754
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 2: and back into the Bronx, and let's talk about the

755
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: leader of the what's see which faction is this? The

756
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 2: zombies the leader of the roller skate faction man, not

757
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 2: the zombie faction. Not the zombie faction. Wait, but there

758
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 2: are the zombies, but they're not actual zombies. These are

759
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 2: the roller skaters.

760
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 3: These are the non zombies that are called zombies. Yeah.

761
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 2: Their leader is a man named Golam and he is

762
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 2: played by George Eastman. George Eastman, who have nineteen forty

763
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 2: two through twenty twenty six Italian B movie legend, who

764
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: sadly passed away May of this year. So this is

765
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 2: our first George Eastman film that we've discussed since his passing.

766
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,240
Speaker 3: Well, we've done several George Eastman movies on here. Before

767
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 3: we did Absurd, he was in Hands of Steel. Let's

768
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 3: see what else have we done with him? I know

769
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 3: at least a few other things.

770
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: This may be only the third George Eastman picture that

771
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 2: we've covered, But anytime I see him attached to something,

772
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: he comes up a lot because he's just he's everywhere.

773
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 3: The personable George Eastman. Yeah. So, if you haven't heard

774
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 3: our episode on this or seen the movie, Absurd is

775
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 3: pretty interesting because it's an Italian copy of Halloween. John

776
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 3: Carpenter's Halloween, but the killer instead of Michael Myers behind

777
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 3: a mask, it's just George Eastman with no mask. That's

778
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 3: just his face.

779
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a great face, a towering beast of

780
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 2: a man, you know, often had this big beard, has

781
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: capable of just displaying this extremely loopine grin. So yeah, tremendous.

782
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: He was also a screenwriter. He got into doing that

783
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 2: because I'm to understand, like he would be working on

784
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: these pictures with just terrible scripts, and he was like, well,

785
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: I get let me give it a go. I can

786
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 2: improve on this, and so kind of got into writing

787
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 2: scripts for B films that way. But yeah, he had

788
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: quite a run. I mean, he's in films ultimately from

789
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 2: directors that range as greatly from like Joe Tomato to Fellini,

790
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 2: but surely best remembered for these various roles as towering, glaring,

791
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 2: snarling heavies, often in a post apocalyptic scenario or in

792
00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 2: some sort of a Jallo or like Slasher Gorse. Here

793
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 2: his look is very interesting because he's often pretty gruff looking,

794
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: you know, and sometimes actual guts dripping from his mouth.

795
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 2: Here he has again that American gladiator samurai roller skater vibe.

796
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,800
Speaker 2: So he's actually pretty polished looking in this picture.

797
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 3: This is the least threatening he has ever looked in

798
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 3: a movie to my mind. I mean, I don't mean

799
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 3: to insult Eastman in this way, but he's one of

800
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 3: those people who he just has a face and a

801
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 3: smile that on itself, with no makeup or modification, can

802
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 3: look dangerous and obscene. Yes, yes, yeah it was. This

803
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 3: was his natural gift.

804
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he again he towers over I forget how

805
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: tall this guy was, but he was. He was really tall,

806
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 2: something like six' nine maybe you know who knows how

807
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 2: tall that is in movies. Speak that's like being like

808
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 2: seven to five in. Movies so, yeah he tended to

809
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 2: tower over anybody he was acting, opposite which just added

810
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 2: to the effect he, was you, know like a lot

811
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 2: of the great character ackers and heavies and, pictures you

812
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 2: don't have to pay for special effects when you cast

813
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: somebody like.

814
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 3: This he has a great fight scene With Fred williamson later,

815
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 3: on Where Fred williamson really sticks it to.

816
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:16,439
Speaker 2: Him yeah all. Right, next we have a man Called.

817
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: Ice ice is played By Joshua sinclair born nineteen fifty

818
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 2: three and man if everything out there on this guy,

819
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 2: is to be, believed pretty interesting, guy and if it's

820
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 2: not to be, believed still pretty interesting that there would

821
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 2: be all this stuff made up about. Him BUT i

822
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: have no reason to really doubt any of. This But

823
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 2: american actor who found work In italian cinema in the early,

824
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 2: seventies including, parts at least small, parts and stuff like

825
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 2: seventy One's Lady, Frankenstein keoma in seventy six and then

826
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 2: the string of films of These enzo, Films but he

827
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 2: had also been writing. Screenplays he co wrote the screenplay

828
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 2: to nineteen seventy Eights just A, jigglow Starring David bowie

829
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 2: And Marlena. Dietrix we've mentioned that on the, show having covered.

830
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 2: It he wrote the nineteen eighty five Novel, shakazulu which

831
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,240
Speaker 2: was made into A tv mini series in eighty, six

832
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 2: and then continued to work as a writer and producer

833
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 2: while also allegedly earning a medical degree in the eighties

834
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 2: to work in tropical diseases and then he also wrote

835
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 2: and directed twenty EIGHTEEN'S A rose In winter and is

836
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:26,800
Speaker 2: also reportedly a professor in, filmmaking comparative, theology and biblical

837
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 2: anthropology at least according to some internet. Bios SO i don't,

838
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: know maybe it's all. True i'll just assume it's all.

839
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 2: True an honor system here for striting these bios ON

840
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 2: IMDb is on the. Level but, yeah he plays an interesting.

841
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 2: Character it turns out to be a bit, traitorous, surprising you,

842
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 2: know keivin that he's the one wearing the Most nazi

843
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 2: uniform bits on his biker uniform.

844
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 3: Here, YEAH i couldn't believe that the guy in THE

845
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 3: ss jacket turns out to be not.

846
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 2: Trustworthy, yeah, yeah He's, yeah He's he's a worming. Character

847
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: he's got these glasses that kind of add to the.

848
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: EFFECT i should also mention there's a scene where you

849
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,359
Speaker 2: had to have noticed. This he and another biker are

850
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 2: like riding down the street slash, sidewalk and they're about

851
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,919
Speaker 2: to go around a. Corner he just absolutely wipes, out

852
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 2: and it's, never, yeah never. Acknowledged it's not like the

853
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: next scene is, like, oh, man are you all? Right

854
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 2: you really took a spillback, there or you'd think, like oh,

855
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: no the mutants got. Him, no, no apparently he just

856
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: like legitimately wiped out and then they just kept it

857
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 2: in the, movie they're, like that's too, good it serves no,

858
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 2: purpose but we'll keep.

859
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 3: It. Wow, uh, WELL i like that they made that.

860
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 3: Choice no offense to him, personally but he has great

861
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 3: like scheming backstabb or. Energy he is born to play this,

862
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 3: role it seems. Like BUT i guess, also you don't

863
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 3: know from the very beginning that he's going to do. That,

864
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 3: though as we were saying, that The nazi jacket kind

865
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 3: of gives it, away THOUGH i did want to come

866
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 3: back and discuss the kind of complicated context of the,

867
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 3: jacket which is that he's not the only gang member

868
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 3: Wearing nazi. Insignia, however we don't see in the movie

869
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 3: any indication, that like the people wearing this stuff in the,

870
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 3: gangs Including, hans are actually supposed to be Ideological. Nazis

871
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 3: this kind of choice really really does not scan well.

872
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 3: Today but this was part of a trend in some

873
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 3: like seventies and eighties subcultures of Using nazi imagery as

874
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 3: like generically, wacky transgressive kitch that was supposedly not connected

875
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 3: to the real meaning Of. NAZISM i don't think this

876
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 3: framing really, Works LIKE i don't think you could put

877
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 3: On nazi stuff today and say, like, NO i don't

878
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 3: really mean, it it's, just you, know it's just wacky.

879
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 3: Whatever because even if it doesn't mean anything to, you

880
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 3: the person wearing, it it's going to mean something to

881
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 3: basically everybody who sees, you and that something is like

882
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 3: very threatening and very. Stupid so it is not a

883
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 3: cool style choice in. Reality BUT i think that is

884
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 3: what's going on in the. Movie it's part of this

885
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 3: like seventies eighties thing Where nazi kitsch was just supposed

886
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 3: to be a, weird non conforming stylistic middle. Finger.

887
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, YEAH i think the middle finger part is. Key

888
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 2: and if you watch enough biker films from this, era

889
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 2: you do see a lot of this sort of. Thing

890
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 2: Like i'm reminded of nineteen sixty Six's Wild, angels an

891
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 2: outlaw biker film that Has Peter fonda And Bruce dern in,

892
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: it and there's a scene WHERE i Believe Bruce dern's

893
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 2: character has died and they drape A nazi flag over

894
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 2: his casket and they have a funeral stuff like. That it's, just,

895
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 2: yeah it's it's it's a part of the subculture and

896
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 2: then part of the cinematic. Subculture that we get through

897
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:45,919
Speaker 2: these through these.

898
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 3: Movies.

899
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, oh here's another interesting cast. Member we also

900
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 2: there are some women in the, gangs or at least

901
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: one of The.

902
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 3: Tigers, yeah, yeah and The, tigers there's there are some

903
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 3: women in the writers. Too they're not any of the

904
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 3: main writers who like go on the, missions but there

905
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 3: are a couple of who hang out there with the

906
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 3: gang at the het. Out.

907
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 2: Yeah but there's a more capable seeming member of The

908
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: tigers by the name Of, witch and she is played BY.

909
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: Elizabetha dessi born nineteen fifty. Seven as we see, her

910
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 2: she's pretty. Cool she's got these like knife fingers that she.

911
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 2: Wears she's apparently second in command To, ogre so she's

912
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 2: pretty highly. Ranked this Is desi's only film, role alongside

913
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 2: of a couple OF i believe like music video. Appearances

914
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 2: but she's An italian model and Former olympic swimmer in

915
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: the nineteen seventy Six Summer. Olympics and she is still

916
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 2: active as a model today in her late. Sixties i've

917
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 2: seen her described as a pro aging model and so

918
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 2: like still like a major, force like you, know major

919
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 2: magazine publications and fashion designers and. Stuff so you can

920
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 2: look look her. Up she's On instagram and everything pretty.

921
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 3: Neat story pro aging is in like she advocates what

922
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 3: they might call it natural, aging and yeah, Modeling.

923
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 2: Yeah that's my under. Standing YEAH i, AGAIN i. HAVEN'T

924
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 2: i wasn't familiar with her before rewatching this. Picture but,

925
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 2: yeah she's you, know on the cover of magazines like

926
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 2: l and so.

927
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 3: Forth she had a cool look in the. Movie she

928
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 3: still has a very cool look. Today she doesn't have

929
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 3: the ninth fingers. Anymore, no she should wear those all the.

930
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 3: Time BUT i really like her in this. Movie she

931
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 3: has great like she hits poses in the movie very

932
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 3: much like somebody who's used to being a, model like

933
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 3: hitting poses for fashion shoots and. Stuff but she has great,

934
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 3: Style like she cracks the whip with such Dashing she

935
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 3: has the whip and the talon fingers and, yeah great

936
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 3: she goes to fight the. MUTANTS i like.

937
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 2: HER i mentioned that The Hell's angels are in this,

938
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 2: picture at least in the outside scenes actually shot in The.

939
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 2: BRONX i don't think they flew The Hell's angels over To.

940
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 2: Roam but this also means That Chuck zito is in there,

941
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 2: somewhere if you're familiar with some of these biker, characters

942
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 2: he's one of the.

943
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 3: Bikers there are at least two different guys in the

944
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,439
Speaker 3: ride is who both look Like Steve.

945
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 2: Earl, yeah, yeah, yeah that's. TRUE i mean it's a

946
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 2: weathered looking group of extras they have.

947
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 3: HERE i mean more Like Steve earl, now Not steve

948
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 3: curl in nineteen eighty.

949
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 2: Two, yeah all. Right and, finally the music here is

950
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 2: By Walter. Rizzotti his other scores include eighty One's The

951
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 2: house by The, cemetery so we have mentioned him. Before

952
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 2: he also did a variety of action, films Including thunder.

953
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 2: TWO i don't know what his life dates, are but

954
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 2: he was active from sixty six through at least nineteen ninety.

955
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 2: Three and on the, WHOLE i thought it was an

956
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 2: enjoyable score, here generically jazzy in, places BUT i, think

957
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 2: for my money, anyway a lot more fun in its weirder,

958
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 2: moments mainly in the mutant tunnels and the end credit

959
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 2: music is also pretty.

960
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 3: Great, YEAH i like the music pretty. Good in, FACT

961
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 3: i would say one of my favorite music moments in

962
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 3: it is one of the generically jazzy. Parts it's when

963
00:50:56,840 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 3: the iron men show up and every time they're on,

964
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 3: screen it just starts playing But doo do Doo LIKE.

965
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 2: I do love, jazzy funky debts in These italian. SCORES i,

966
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 2: mean it's one of the things that makes them so.

967
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 2: Great at, times it's like you have, something you, know

968
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 2: it's like some sort of gallo picture zombies or, whatnot

969
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 2: and you get to hear that thumping.

970
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 3: Bass it's pretty. Great, Yeah, okay you want to talk

971
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 3: about the, plot let's do. It so immediately from the,

972
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 3: credits you know this movie is gonna have. Guts it

973
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 3: has really strong bold credits. Sequence the, MUSIC i would,

974
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 3: say is one Part John Carpenter escape From New york,

975
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 3: soundtrack one Part italian disco. Funk the credits play over

976
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 3: close up shots of weird bits of costume and texture

977
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 3: from the. Movie so we see a clinched fist with

978
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 3: four different skull, rings like a different skull on each.

979
00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 3: Knuckle we see half of a face with a, sad

980
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 3: downcast eye surrounded by a violet wing like shape marked

981
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 3: in face. Paint we see a roller skate with green

982
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 3: wheels just spinning in the air against.

983
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 2: Nothing we should mention that this picking this movie came

984
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 2: out of your desire to do some sort of a

985
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 2: rollerblading or roller skating, picture.

986
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 3: So we got here. Obliquely there are actually a bunch

987
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 3: of post apocalyptic roller blades centric, movies AND i was

988
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 3: like looking through them and just like one after, another

989
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 3: like there's no way to watch, this there's no way

990
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 3: to get this. Thing, oh this one's. Disgusting so like

991
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 3: one after another just kind of fell. Through but THEN

992
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 3: i landed on this And i'm so GLAD i. DID

993
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 3: i think this movie was more fun than maybe any

994
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 3: of the rollerblade MOVIES i was looking. At but, so,

995
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 3: yeah we do have some roller skating in this. Movie the,

996
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 3: zombies the Roller Hockey.

997
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:52,959
Speaker 2: Gang they spoiler they don't Get GEORGE. E span on roller.

998
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 2: SKATES i don't know if they and he's, LIKE i

999
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 2: can't do, That Like i'll just fall down and it's

1000
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 2: not in my. Contract, yeah like heads too high up

1001
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 2: there for that fall to take. Place it would have.

1002
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 3: DONE i, meant but prominent roller skate wheel in the,

1003
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 3: credits it's just spinning in the. Air we also see

1004
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 3: a leather elbow pad mounted with a steel. Spike people

1005
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 3: will die in the movie by that. Spike we see

1006
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 3: a hand in finger gloves holding a knife with a

1007
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 3: brass knuckle, handle a silver spike with, studs a hand

1008
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 3: wearing rings with attachable steel. Talons these are the weapons

1009
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 3: of the Character, witch who will meet. LATER a Rosa

1010
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 3: kleb style boot with a knife blade sticking out of the,

1011
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 3: toe a sort of a lady's, haunch showing off some

1012
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 3: black leather and garter. STRAPS i think this is probably

1013
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 3: Also witch. Again and then like faces painted with, feathers metallic,

1014
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 3: flames and psychedelic punk.

1015
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 2: Butterflies, YEAH i think that those are maybe details from

1016
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 2: The Iron men there with The broadway. Faction so, YEAH

1017
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 2: i love this intro, here this movie suiting up like

1018
00:53:57,719 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 2: it's about to commit a jalloh crime, here you, know

1019
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 2: like the strong fetishizing of the weapons in this.

1020
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 3: Sequence the spike club could really be in An argento.

1021
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 3: Movie somebody randomly shows up with that, thing doesn't even

1022
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 3: explain what it, is it's just. So the action opens

1023
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 3: in deep blue twilight with a young woman sprinting desperately

1024
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 3: across a. Bridge we will learn that this Is, anne

1025
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 3: one of our, protagonists and she is running away from

1026
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 3: her wealthy life In manhattan to go to the lawless

1027
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:34,760
Speaker 3: hell the of The bronx. IMMEDIATELY a couple of. Issues

1028
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 3: one is THAT i thought her outfit was kind of

1029
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 3: funny because she's wearing like a frilly white blouse with a,

1030
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 3: tall lacy. Collar she doesn't really seem like running away

1031
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 3: from my life on foot. Clothing, also she's wearing boots with.

1032
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 2: Heels, Yeah, like did she even pack a? Back maybe

1033
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 2: she's lost it at this.

1034
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 3: Point it could Be, ALSO i want to flag HERE

1035
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 3: i said something about this, earlier but the movie will

1036
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 3: keep raising geographical questions in this. SCENE i could be

1037
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 3: wrong Because i'm not an expert On New, york but

1038
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 3: it looks to me like she's running out over The

1039
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 3: East river headed Into. Brooklyn and you definitely don't go

1040
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 3: that way From manhattan to get to The. Bronx that's

1041
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 3: basically the opposite. Direction SO i think the only water

1042
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 3: you'd have to cross to get From manhattan to The

1043
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 3: bronx is The Harlem, River, right you go Up manhattan

1044
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 3: and then across The Harlem river and then you're into The.

1045
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 3: Bronx and is that sounds?

1046
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 2: Right but, again it's one of those things THAT i

1047
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 2: have this experience as a visitor To New, york AND

1048
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 2: i think maybe the filmmakers had this exact same. Situation

1049
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 2: is when you're taking the, subway it does feel like.

1050
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 2: Magic it feels like you're emerging in different fairy, realms you,

1051
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 2: know like Now i'm in The bronx by virtue of

1052
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 2: the iron worm that crawls through the. Earth so you

1053
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 2: can lose, track especially now now more than, ever you

1054
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 2: can depend on devices to help. You but, yeah the

1055
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 2: geography questions remain regarding this picture for.

1056
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 3: Sure, well in a, Way i'll just SAY i think

1057
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 3: it is like. MAGIC i, mean a city with a

1058
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 3: great public transportation system that can get you most anywhere

1059
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 3: is a, beautiful wonderful, thing especially having lived in places

1060
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 3: without as fully developed public transit. Systems, Man, yeah Visiting

1061
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 3: New york and using the subways.

1062
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 2: AWESOME i want to go ahead and flag here we

1063
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 2: mentioned about what The bronx was like when this film was.

1064
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 2: Made The bronx is totally different. Now so do not

1065
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 2: base anything in this. Film assume that anything in this

1066
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 2: film represents the current state of. Things The bronx has

1067
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 2: come a long way since. Then it has some rather

1068
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 2: lovely places to. Visit you will not find the same

1069
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 2: world if you go there.

1070
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:44,360
Speaker 3: Today so we cut from the escape on the bridge

1071
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 3: to an executive office suite where this guy who earlier

1072
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 3: we were, saying we're going to assume this Is anne's,

1073
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:55,959
Speaker 3: Father Samuel. Fisher maybe at least ten to fifteen percent

1074
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 3: chance it's not actually her, father because there is a

1075
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 3: scene later where it's like somebody on the phone is

1076
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 3: chewing him, out saying he needs to find, her and

1077
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 3: she doesn't make sense if she's his. Daughter but in

1078
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 3: every other scene it acts like she's his, Daughter SO

1079
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 3: i think it's his.

1080
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 2: Daughter, YEAH i get the feeling that maybe a scene

1081
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 2: was cut or something didn't make it over into the.

1082
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 3: Dub it's hard to. Say so he's getting the news

1083
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 3: that his daughter has run away from home to become

1084
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 3: a crime, queen and he's grilling his. Subordinates this is

1085
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 3: WHERE i think the guy he's grilling is the director

1086
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 3: of the. Movie In Zo. Castelari it's, like how could

1087
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 3: she just? Disappear what happened to her security? Detail they

1088
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 3: don't know what, happened but she's, gone and her father is,

1089
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 3: like damn, it this is all we. Needed, oh sorry

1090
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 3: to inconvenience you. Dad. Oh he also, says our hands

1091
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 3: are tied until we get her back. Here so this

1092
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 3: is the first hint of something that will develop later that,

1093
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 3: like it's not just that her father loves her and

1094
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 3: wants her back in the, family it's that she is

1095
00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 3: crucial for some developing piece of. Business And, fisher by the,

1096
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 3: way is going to be ticked off in every scene he's.

1097
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 3: In he's always just. Mad is like a spit in

1098
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 3: his mustache because he's just. Frothing he's mad that his

1099
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 3: daughter ran. Away this is very bad for business. Reasons

1100
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 3: and then he stews for a, minute and then he

1101
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 3: gets the bride idea hey Contact hammer and the second

1102
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 3: the number two guys Like, hammer isn't he a bit?

1103
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 3: Risky And fisher shrugs and, says we've got little. Choice

1104
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 3: and then we cut to an intertitle that tells us

1105
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 3: the setup of the. Movie it, says nineteen ninety The

1106
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 3: bronx is officially declared no man's. Land the authorities give

1107
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 3: up all attempts to restore law and. Order from then,

1108
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 3: on this area is ruled by the.

1109
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 2: Writers AND i kept hearing this as the writers, too

1110
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 2: it's listening to, it SO i was like, imagining partially,

1111
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 2: Imagining like what if The Writer's guild Of America east

1112
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 2: is running the post Apocalyptic, bronx you, know the note they're,

1113
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 2: writing the writing they're not.

1114
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 3: Writing one can only. Imagine BUT i think this is

1115
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 3: also funny because this is not true within the. Story

1116
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 3: aren't The tigers presented as the actual dominant gang in

1117
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 3: The bronx and The writers are sort of a secondary contender.

1118
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 2: Gang, YEAH i, mean maybe things have shift, recently shifted,

1119
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 2: recently and this just doesn't the intel does not reflect

1120
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 2: the current state of play on the. Ground but, yeah

1121
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 2: The tigers are the dominant gang And ogre is the

1122
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 2: self proclaimed king of The.

1123
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 3: Bronx, yeah. Exactly SO i don't know that's. CONFUSING i

1124
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 3: think that literally whoever wrote that maybe was not familiar

1125
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 3: enough with the rest of the plot of the. Movie

1126
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 3: somewhere in The, bronx we cut back in And anne

1127
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 3: is still running as she ran all the way to

1128
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 3: The bronx in these boots with, heels and now she's

1129
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 3: running down a, long, empty desolate. Tunnel her footfalls echo

1130
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 3: in the, night and then we see figures crossing in the.

1131
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 3: Foreground it was, like, oh is it. Vampires is it

1132
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 3: Where we'll, no it's even. Worse it is, zombies not literal,

1133
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 3: zombies not the mutant. Zombies this is a street gang

1134
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:11,240
Speaker 3: called The, zombies which are basically again guys who play roller.

1135
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 3: Hockey they've got white, helmets hook shaped hockey, sticks kind

1136
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 3: of a military police in hockey pads look roller skates

1137
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 3: and these v shaped shoulder. Pads and The zombies Ambush

1138
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 3: anne at the end of this tunnel and corner. Her

1139
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 3: she screams and tries to, run but they surround her

1140
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 3: and they're hooting and yapping and shaking their hockey sticks at.

1141
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 3: Her it seems like maybe they're mistaking her for a.

1142
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 3: Puck but then something. Changes while they're standing, there menacing

1143
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 3: her on a dark wall of the tunnel's, edge we,

1144
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 3: see first faintly and then with growing, intensity an illuminated.

1145
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 3: Skull what does that, Mean, well it is the calling

1146
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 3: card of another, gang The. Riders so The, riders they're

1147
01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:00,919
Speaker 3: on motorcycles and they have bright plastic light up skulls

1148
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 3: mounted on the handlebars of their, motorcycles just above the.

1149
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 3: HEADLAMP i love this. DETAIL i love the kind of

1150
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 3: psychedelic biker. LOOK i, mean we will see this take

1151
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 3: into much more extravagant extremes in movies Like. Mandy BUT

1152
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 3: i do like cyclomania or. Psychomania, yeah but pushing the

1153
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 3: biker esthetic beyond just the, gritty, grimy tough guy look

1154
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 3: and into the weird ethereal, otherworldly that's a that's a

1155
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 3: good move in my.

1156
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 2: Book, Yeah riders on the, storm so we're.

1157
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 3: Gonna See we're going to see these see this many

1158
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 3: times in the movie that The. Skulls it's spooky and

1159
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 3: cheesy at the same. Time and the gang comes roaring

1160
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 3: up on their. Bikes The skulls are glowing and they're

1161
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 3: ready for, action and when the zombies see them they

1162
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 3: call out with. Fear it's, like oh, no The. Riders

1163
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 3: so you get the feeling that The riders are maybe a,

1164
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 3: tougher badder gang than the. Zombies the leader of The

1165
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:00,000
Speaker 3: rider pack dismounts his bike and he raises a, weapon

1166
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 3: which is a short metal baton tipped at the end

1167
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 3: with a. Spike so is this a? Club is this

1168
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 3: a short? Spear it's sort of, both and it is

1169
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 3: our hero's signature.

1170
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 2: Weapon, yeah lovingly imagined. Here this is a film that

1171
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 2: takes its weapon fetishization pretty. Seriously so these are a

1172
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 2: lot of.

1173
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 3: Fun so this Is trash our, hero and he is

1174
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 3: a lot to take. In he's wearing tight blue, jeans

1175
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 3: a black leather vest with a very deep v cut

1176
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 3: going almost down to his belly, button and no shirt,

1177
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 3: underneath so his outfit was made to show like seventy

1178
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 3: five percent of his. Chest he has a metal bead

1179
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 3: choker necklace and long feathered glam rock. Hair trash and

1180
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 3: several of his buddies get off their bikes and they

1181
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 3: approach the. Zombies they've got their clubs out and the

1182
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 3: zombies are, intimidated but they hold their, ground so a

1183
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 3: fight breaks. Out it's a punch up in the.

1184
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 2: Tunnel, yeah and the fight sequence here is pretty. Fun

1185
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 2: it's pretty. Wild you would never confuse it For Hong

1186
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 2: kong action or anything like. THAT i think the hits

1187
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 2: are not particularly. Snug there's maybe less a sense of

1188
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 2: like connection on these, hits but it's still a lot of.

1189
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 2: Fun it's like it, again it's maybe a little more

1190
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 2: it feels a little more stage, combat but it still

1191
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 2: tells a nice.

1192
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 3: STORY i actually liked the fights in this movie pretty.

1193
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 3: Good it's not the most technical fight choreography in the,

1194
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 3: world like you, said at least until we get To Fred.

1195
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 3: WILLIAMSON i noticed his fighting was extremely.

1196
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 2: Crisp, Yeah AND i don't know if that was just

1197
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 2: like maybe a tighter, choreography or Like Fred williamson And

1198
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 2: George eastman were just like really slugging each, other because

1199
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 2: that's always a. Possibility you heard that from pro wrestlers

1200
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 2: where they're people are talking about all. Man you, KNOW

1201
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 2: i Admired Terry funk's punches growing, up and THEN i

1202
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:48,680
Speaker 2: got in the ring with him and realized that his

1203
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 2: punches look so good because he was just actually punching.

1204
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 2: People oh, NO i, mean you, know in a in

1205
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 2: an okay way for the time. Period but but, yeah

1206
01:03:57,760 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 2: it's like one way to make it look good is

1207
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 2: to actually. CONNECT i, guess, WELL i hope that's not

1208
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 2: what's going on, There but GENERALLY i think that's not

1209
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 2: what you're going for in the in the film. World

1210
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:09,320
Speaker 2: BUT i don't, know maybe they worked a little.

1211
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 3: Stuff who. Knows. Well one THING i did like about

1212
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 3: the fights in this movie is that usually you can follow,

1213
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 3: them so they are not the blurry flurry you, know

1214
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 3: like a lot of movies do where the fight scene

1215
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 3: descends into just kind of close ups of limbs, flailing

1216
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 3: and you're not getting a sense of moments or. Drama

1217
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 3: these fight scenes do have moments in, drama you have

1218
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:34,360
Speaker 3: a chance to notice which character is, fighting you follow

1219
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:39,080
Speaker 3: little moments in the. Exchange and SO i actually enjoyed

1220
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 3: the fight scenes here a good bit more than your

1221
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 3: average movie punch. Up, ALSO i liked how sometimes the

1222
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 3: characters express their personality in the ways they, Fight like

1223
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 3: did you notice That trash is very cocky and, Fearless

1224
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 3: like he kind of he sticks his chest out and

1225
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 3: gives off this energy of LIKE i don't even care

1226
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:00,439
Speaker 3: if you hit. Me you, know death is. EVERYTHING i don't.

1227
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,760
Speaker 3: Care whereas the Character, hans the guy in THE ss,

1228
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 3: jacket he fights in a way that looks much more

1229
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 3: careful and strategic and.

1230
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 2: Vicious yeah, yeah he doesn't more vicious. Style that's a good.

1231
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:17,400
Speaker 2: Point and in the factions in general also have different fighting,

1232
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 2: vibes LIKE i would say that the zombies have more

1233
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 2: of a feeling of like like a war. Cult they

1234
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 2: seem like a like a highly, trained organized group of,

1235
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 2: combatants whereas you, Know trashes bunch the, riders they are

1236
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 2: more and they're more like individualistic, fightings individualistic, fighters they're

1237
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 2: more LIKE i guess warriors versus soldiers to make that,

1238
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 2: distinction whereas the zombies are more.

1239
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 3: Soldiers, YEAH i think that's. Right. Yeah so at one

1240
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 3: point in this, fight the zombies are mostly, beaten and

1241
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 3: then a few of them start running, away and then

1242
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 3: one of the riders gets on his bike chases them.

1243
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 3: DOWN i think this is the writer Named, blade and

1244
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 3: at the last minute he extends These James bond murder

1245
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 3: gadgets on his, bike so there are these horizontal knives

1246
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 3: that stick out the side of the, motorcycle and he

1247
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 3: rides between the zombies and first slashes their achilles, tendons

1248
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,040
Speaker 3: and then he rides back the other way after they

1249
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 3: fall and slashes their. Throat it's pretty.

1250
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 2: BRUTAL i want to say one more thing about the

1251
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:21,919
Speaker 2: action here THAT i think sets it apart from other

1252
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 2: films you might, see or certainly lesser. Films so there's

1253
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 2: sometimes you'll have even good fight, choreography but the director

1254
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 2: will just shoot everything like wide and just like let

1255
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 2: the fight play. Out whereas this film does have. Edited

1256
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 2: it's edited and shot in a way to really highlight

1257
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 2: these key moments within the, fight and we see that

1258
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 2: just throughout the fight sequences in the.

1259
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 3: Picture, YEAH i agree with. That, yeah just good. Editing

1260
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 3: so in the middle of the, fight there is a

1261
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 3: moment where we zoom in On. Ann she's still. There

1262
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 3: she's kind of like she's Watching trash While trash is

1263
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:02,560
Speaker 3: whacking one of the zombies with his, Club and suddenly

1264
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 3: the sound kind of fades out and the action goes

1265
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 3: into slow motion and we See trash's muscles flexing and his,

1266
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 3: long sweaty hair billowing while he, Fights AND i legitimately

1267
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 3: thought for a second it was going to start playing

1268
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 3: the beginning Of Good. Vibrations, instead it does play, music

1269
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 3: but it's these like dissonance swirling chords on the. Keyboard

1270
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 3: it kind of sounds like that music From dawn of The,

1271
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 3: dead you, know the woo kind of. Thing, anyway it

1272
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 3: is clear That anne has been hypnotized by the aura

1273
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 3: of this beautiful motorcycle crime. Boy he is gorgeous and

1274
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 3: she is in.

1275
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 2: Love this had to have BEEN i, guess her, plan

1276
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,280
Speaker 2: or it's the. Plan now escape to The, bronx fall

1277
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:49,360
Speaker 2: in love with a powerful but handsome and lovable. Warlord,

1278
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 2: yeah it seems to be working out so.

1279
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 3: Far also in this, fight we See trash deploy his elbow.

1280
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 3: Spike so he wears this set of elbow, pads which

1281
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 3: you might think would look little. DORKY i don't, know

1282
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 3: could people sell elbow pads OR i remember feeling dorky

1283
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 3: WHEN i wore them as a.

1284
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 2: Kid, well you just didn't have spikes coming out of.

1285
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 3: HIM i guess she would.

1286
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 2: Have it would have been more you would have felt

1287
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 2: more self assured had spikes.

1288
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 3: Maybe so his elbow pads have. SPIKES i don't know

1289
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 3: if he has them on both arms or just. One

1290
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 3: but he's got a spike at the end of the,

1291
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 3: club a spike on his. Elbow he's got spikes all,

1292
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 3: over and so he stabs with the elbow and kills

1293
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 3: one of the zombies that. Way after the, Fight trash Approaches,

1294
01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:30,240
Speaker 3: anne who is cowering on the ground and kind of

1295
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 3: in an alcove in the, tunnel and he speaks to.

1296
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 3: Her he's got the bloody spike club pointed at. Her he,

1297
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 3: says where do you come? From she, Says. Manhattan he,

1298
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 3: says want me to take you back? There, Oh, okay

1299
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 3: that's a nice. GESTION i like that as.

1300
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 2: Well you, know it's it's you, know he establishes. Himself

1301
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:50,720
Speaker 2: trash is a. Gentleman, yeah and he's, like all, Right

1302
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 2: i'll take you back if you.

1303
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 3: Want but she's.

1304
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 2: Like what she says next is, NO i don't want

1305
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 2: to go.

1306
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 3: Back, no she, says. No he, says you, know this

1307
01:08:58,280 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 3: is The.

1308
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 2: BRONX i think there's been a, mistake. Ma'am you are

1309
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 2: currently in The.

1310
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 3: Bronx, yeah she. Says she, SAYS i KNOW i came.

1311
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 3: Here this is a. QUOTE i KNOW i came here.

1312
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 3: Purposely anywhere away from, them it's, Better trash. Says but

1313
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 3: nothing is worse than this hell. Hole she, says that's

1314
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 3: what you. Think so he averts his, Spike he offers his,

1315
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 3: Hand she takes, it and it's you, know it's boy

1316
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 3: meets girl in a tunnel in The, bronx covered in,

1317
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 3: blood and it's. Beautiful like she's trying to escape the

1318
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 3: global heavy arms. Industry he's just trying to control his

1319
01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 3: territory and you, know continually find batteries for his bike.

1320
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 3: Skull it's a match made in.

1321
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 2: Heaven, YEAH i noticed some of those bike skull batteries

1322
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 2: do run. Out later, on we see the riders out

1323
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 2: and about and one guy's skull isn't lit, up And i'm,

1324
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 2: like come, on, yeah come, on.

1325
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 3: They budget yeah ran. Dry, yeah where's where's your? Batteries

1326
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,280
Speaker 3: but from here she's, actually it, seems just going to

1327
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 3: join the. Gang so Now anne is one of the,

1328
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,959
Speaker 3: riders as she is going to Be trash's motorcycle impress

1329
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 3: and one of the, gang and she rides around on

1330
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 3: a bike of her own and a kind of she

1331
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 3: looks a little bit less scruffy than all of the other,

1332
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 3: bikers but has a more scruffy outfit than her starting

1333
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 3: outfit is kind of somewhere in.

1334
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 2: Between, yeah, yeah so she's, yeah she's one of. Them

1335
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 2: there's no this is not a film where we're going

1336
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:26,240
Speaker 2: to deal with the transitional. Stage here she is fully on.

1337
01:10:26,280 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 3: Board so after, this some time, passes and then we

1338
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 3: come to a scene that we've actually talked about On

1339
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 3: stuff To blow Your mind, before not on A Weird

1340
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 3: House cinema. Episode we're about to talk about a scene

1341
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 3: that came up in a listener mail episode because a

1342
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 3: listener wrote in about. It do you remember this role

1343
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 3: WELL i forgot about. This. Okay so this is the

1344
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 3: scene of the meeting at the water's edge between The

1345
01:10:56,600 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 3: riders and The, tigers and there is very little real

1346
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 3: constraint in the. Scene it's almost like a music. Video

1347
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 3: so we're out at the edge of some broken docks

1348
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 3: and we see a city skyline across the. Water once,

1349
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 3: Again i'm not A New york expert, here but it

1350
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 3: really seems like we're looking From brooklyn Into, Manhattan, like

1351
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:19,679
Speaker 3: isn't it The Brooklyn bridge we're looking at in this? Scene,

1352
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 3: yeah so it's supposed to be The, bronx but then

1353
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 3: begins a drum. Solo so there's just a guy in

1354
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 3: the middle of this dusty empty lot playing a drum

1355
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 3: kit with this, hot fast. Beat there's a lot of

1356
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:36,680
Speaker 3: high hat in, it and he will keep playing the

1357
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 3: drums as this scene goes. ON i love this. Choice

1358
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 3: it's never explained in the, movie but it blurs the

1359
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:47,320
Speaker 3: line between diegetic and non diegetic, music like there is

1360
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 3: no in world reason for him to be there in the,

1361
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 3: scene so it feels like pure, soundtrack but also we see,

1362
01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:55,400
Speaker 3: him so it's not just pure.

1363
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:59,000
Speaker 2: Soundtrack, yeah this MIGHT i can't RECALL i don't remember

1364
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 2: the listener mail that came in about, this so perhaps

1365
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 2: that discusses, this but it's my, understanding like this guy

1366
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:06,680
Speaker 2: was just there playing the drums when they came to.

1367
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:09,760
Speaker 2: Shoot really, yeah SO i think they were just they

1368
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 2: just rolled with. It they're, like this guy's, great let's

1369
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:12,680
Speaker 2: just getting there shoot the.

1370
01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 3: Saint. Whoa, yeah unbelievable if that's. True.

1371
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:19,639
Speaker 2: Wow, YEAH i don't, Know LIKE i, Say i'm half remembering,

1372
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:21,799
Speaker 2: that and you, know it could just be part.

1373
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:23,600
Speaker 3: Of the myth making of the of the. Film i'm not,

1374
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 3: sure but it's. True. Amazing, well, anyway in the, scene

1375
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 3: we zoom in on a dead body impaled on a

1376
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 3: wooden stake beside the. Docks so this dead body is

1377
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 3: in rider's. Gear it seems he was one of the.

1378
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:36,840
Speaker 3: Gang and we're going to find out that this guy

1379
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 3: was Named.

1380
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 2: Chris, yeah and he's. Dead he's truly, dead very.

1381
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 3: Fully very. Dead. Yeah so the riders, arrive they room

1382
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:48,799
Speaker 3: up on mass into the, lot they park their bikes

1383
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 3: and they stare at this dead body in front of,

1384
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 3: them and we see now that and this part of the.

1385
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 3: Gang she's got her own bike and. Everything and this

1386
01:12:57,680 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 3: scene let's you zoom in on a lot of the

1387
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:04,759
Speaker 3: the gang, textures so we see, tattoos, cuts leather with metal,

1388
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 3: studs one guy with a prosthetic hook arm revving his

1389
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:13,120
Speaker 3: bike with the hook, beards, sunglasses. Bandanas you do see

1390
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 3: More nazi insignia, here like some, swastikas but other just

1391
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 3: weird assortments of imagery and insignias of other, kinds, skulls

1392
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 3: all that kind of. Stuff one guy has a nude

1393
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:29,639
Speaker 3: pin up painted onto his. Bike Eventually trash gets off

1394
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 3: his bike goes over to investigate the body while the

1395
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 3: drums keep the tension very. High and then While trash

1396
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:39,640
Speaker 3: is staring at his dead, warrior another gang enters the,

1397
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 3: picture The. Tigers they arrive in, force and they are

1398
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 3: very different, gang driving fancy classic. Cars you've got a

1399
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 3: mix of like flame painted Hot rods and then old

1400
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 3: older luxury cars Like Rolls.

1401
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 2: Royces, yeah so probably a little there's a little bit

1402
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:00,679
Speaker 2: Of Mad max to this in.

1403
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:05,480
Speaker 3: This, part, yeah but also elements of it's Like Mad

1404
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 3: max meets like Jazz. Club so you've got these guys

1405
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 3: in cool retro suits with wide. Collars some of them

1406
01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 3: are wearing fedoras with like feathers in the band and.

1407
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:18,640
Speaker 3: Stuff and as the cars pull, up a lot of

1408
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 3: the cars have guys just hanging off the side of the,

1409
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 3: car standing on the runner boards while they. Drive that's not,

1410
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 3: safe so one of the.

1411
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:29,639
Speaker 2: Laws though there are no rules in The bronx. Anymore

1412
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:30,959
Speaker 2: you can just whatever you, want.

1413
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 3: Ride on the runner, boards nothing to stop. You so

1414
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 3: one of The tiger lieutenants is this guy dressed like

1415
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 3: a matred in a burgundy jacket with a bow tie

1416
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 3: and ultimate warrior face. Paint this is the guy Named.

1417
01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:48,679
Speaker 3: LEECH i think uh And trash walks up To leech

1418
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 3: and says he's gonna have to talk to The, ogre,

1419
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:54,600
Speaker 3: who by the, way MY i think auto generated subtitles

1420
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:58,519
Speaker 3: kept Calling yoga because people are saying The ogre with

1421
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 3: The New york, accents saying, LIKE i need to talk

1422
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:01,479
Speaker 3: to The.

1423
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 2: Ogre you go to The, ogre tek me to The ogre.

1424
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 3: Studio, yeah. Exactly he needs to talk to The, ogre

1425
01:15:08,360 --> 01:15:11,679
Speaker 3: the king of The. Tigers so but first he talks

1426
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 3: to The matre d and that guy tells him The

1427
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:17,599
Speaker 3: ogre is mad and that The ogre did Kill chris

1428
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 3: the Dead rider. Here but he gave his body back

1429
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,640
Speaker 3: as a gesture of brotherly, love only the heart is,

1430
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 3: missing and he says he ate.

1431
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 2: It it's a wonderful character building that we're not going

1432
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 2: to early see represented In ogre as we come to know.

1433
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 2: Him that he doesn't come off as a heart eating

1434
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:35,679
Speaker 2: cannibal by any.

1435
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 3: Not in the least. Bit it almost feels like they

1436
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 3: the writer was still fleshing out this character and while

1437
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 3: writing the scene kind of change directions mid, scene but

1438
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 3: didn't go back and change the earlier.

1439
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 2: Dialogue it almost makes me feel Like ogre was originally

1440
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:55,040
Speaker 2: going to be played By George, eastman because, Oh George

1441
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 2: eastman has more of like a Towering.

1442
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:57,680
Speaker 3: Ogre feel to.

1443
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:00,640
Speaker 2: Him, Christine, CERTAINLY i can imagine him outing down on

1444
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:03,720
Speaker 2: a human heart and a picture like, This SO i

1445
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:05,920
Speaker 2: have nothing to base that on other than my own

1446
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 2: sort of gut instinct Concerning georgie's.

1447
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 3: Rolls that is an interesting, THEORY i can see. That. Yeah,

1448
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 3: Anyway So trash walks over To ogre's car Where ogre

1449
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 3: is chilling with which which again Is Elizabeta, dessi And

1450
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:25,639
Speaker 3: ogre Is Fred, williamson which is another one Of ogre's.

1451
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 3: Lieutenants she in this scene is like she's dulled up

1452
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 3: in a black sequin dressed with a feather. Boa later

1453
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 3: we're going to see her decked out more for battle

1454
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 3: with like the metal talons and the. Whip but when

1455
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 3: she gets out of the, car she Greets trash with

1456
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:42,719
Speaker 3: kind of a look up and down and a long. Time,

1457
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 3: no see is the delivery. There i'mplying that they once

1458
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 3: had a. RELATIONSHIP i think so maybe she was his. Babysitter, yea,

1459
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 3: YEAH i think she is significantly older than. Him, yeah,

1460
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:59,559
Speaker 3: anyway there is time for a parlay here Between trash

1461
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 3: and So ogre. Says, first he, Says leech is a blood.

1462
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:06,680
Speaker 3: Freak if it was up to, him he'd turned The

1463
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 3: bronx into a. Cemetery, Okay AND i guess this is just.

1464
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 3: Amusing the real info in the scene is That ogre

1465
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 3: Killed chris Because chris was trespassing On tiger. Territory this

1466
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:21,040
Speaker 3: is a violation of their. Treaty each gang sticks to

1467
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:24,760
Speaker 3: their own territory in The. Bronx, Also ogre, says you, know,

1468
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 3: REALLY i was doing you a favor because quote the

1469
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 3: sucker was carrying a, gizmo a, gizmo and then he

1470
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 3: hands over a wristwatch and he says its wavelength is

1471
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 3: the same as that of The Manhattan. Police that's the

1472
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 3: wrong kind of. Gizmo And ogre, says IF i were, You,

1473
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:45,639
Speaker 3: Trash i'd be worried to find one of my own

1474
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:50,559
Speaker 3: men carrying a. Gizmo now they know exactly where we're,

1475
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:53,919
Speaker 3: Based we're in for a few. Surprises i'd be on the, Lookout.

1476
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 3: Trash so he's worried that the cops now know where they.

1477
01:17:57,360 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 3: Are BUT i thought the cops did know where they.

1478
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 3: Were the cops just don't care about The bronx, anymore,

1479
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 3: Right like the whole point is the police have given

1480
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 3: up on The bronx and they surrendered it to the.

1481
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 2: Gangs, yeah that's my understanding as. WELL i guess If

1482
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 2: i'm being, generous then perhaps the situation is that the

1483
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 2: police are hands off with The, bronx but they keep

1484
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:20,400
Speaker 2: an eye on, it and if one warlord becomes like too,

1485
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 2: powerful then they might have to interfere and maybe engage

1486
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 2: in a little a little espionage and so, forth in

1487
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 2: order to make sure that the gangs remain at each

1488
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 2: other's throat and they don't, become, say all united under

1489
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:37,280
Speaker 2: one king of The. Bronx that would be dangerous because

1490
01:18:37,320 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 2: then what comes next the conquest of the Other.

1491
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 3: Burroughs that's, right, yeah can you dig?

1492
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 2: It?

1493
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:47,439
Speaker 3: Yeah so with, this The tigers return to their. Vehicles

1494
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 3: they drive, away and once the riders are left, Alone

1495
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 3: trash takes the gizmo to his right Hand Manned ice. Again.

1496
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:57,080
Speaker 3: Ice ice is the guy who. Sucks this is the

1497
01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 3: trader in The nazi. Jacket is also sometimes Called. Hans

1498
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:05,680
Speaker 3: he's Called hans and THE IMDb credit listing for the

1499
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:07,080
Speaker 3: for the, film AND i think you may have referred

1500
01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 3: to him As hans. Earlier Hans, ice same. Guy, okay

1501
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:13,640
Speaker 3: why DID i call Him? Hans maybe did you have

1502
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:14,520
Speaker 3: him As Hans.

1503
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:17,559
Speaker 2: Hans, earlier because that's how he's listed On. IMDb but

1504
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 2: then WHEN i was watching the, films, like they're only

1505
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 2: calling this Guy, ice SO i switched it over And

1506
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 2: ice is more in keeping with Hot.

1507
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 3: Dog so, yeah all the TIMES i remember they call Him,

1508
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 3: ICE i THINK i may have Said hans in the notes,

1509
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 3: somewhere because you Had hans in the. Outline, Yeah i'm,

1510
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 3: Sorry i'm not trying to blame.

1511
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 2: You, no, no, no but, yeah that's that's probably the. Reason, Yeah,

1512
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 2: ice he's in there hanging out With Tater, tot Hot

1513
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 2: dog And Sour, kraut the whole.

1514
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 3: Gang but to, reaffirm, Yeah ice. Sucks ice is the

1515
01:19:46,280 --> 01:19:50,599
Speaker 3: bad guy, here but he he is going to see

1516
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:53,600
Speaker 3: this spy. Device he's like. Noncommittal he's not going to

1517
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 3: confirm Was chris a trader or. Not Maybe over is

1518
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 3: lying to, them then they'll they'll find out. Later so

1519
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 3: throughout we get some kind of control room scenes where

1520
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:05,680
Speaker 3: you have the director of the movie barking orders at

1521
01:20:05,720 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 3: people working radios and. Stuff we also occasionally pop in

1522
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 3: with cops who are flying over The bronx in helicopters

1523
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:16,800
Speaker 3: or patrolling the streets in armored. Trucks it seems like

1524
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:20,559
Speaker 3: maybe they didn't quite abandon it. Totally this might just

1525
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 3: be because of the MISSING ceo, daughter but they're getting

1526
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 3: back into the mix here in The, bronx and these

1527
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:30,640
Speaker 3: cops are not cool headed public. Servants there is No

1528
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 3: Officer Alex murphy among. Them they seem to be interchangeable

1529
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:38,479
Speaker 3: with corporate security. Services so they're doing the bidding Of

1530
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 3: fisher and his, minions and their attitude is just straightforward fascist.

1531
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:47,679
Speaker 3: Thuggery they constantly express the desire to burn The bronx

1532
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 3: to the ground and clean out the vermin and that

1533
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 3: sort of. Thing, meanwhile the writers are debating what happened With.

1534
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 3: Chris ice is arguing that it's a. Setup he thinks

1535
01:20:59,520 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 3: Actually ogre is the real villain, here and he Thinks

1536
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:06,719
Speaker 3: ogre is using this story to keep them distracted while

1537
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:11,720
Speaker 3: he makes. Moves but in the, Background, blade who we

1538
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 3: saw earlier in the fight, scene is another one Of

1539
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 3: trash's loyal. Soldiers he. Disagrees he Thinks ogre is telling

1540
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:20,800
Speaker 3: the truth That chris was a. Trader this is a

1541
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,680
Speaker 3: real gizmo and, he you, know he's just sort of

1542
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:28,519
Speaker 3: different To. Trash Ice Mock's, blade And ice, says what

1543
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:30,320
Speaker 3: we need to do is go to war with The.

1544
01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:32,679
Speaker 3: Tigers we got to straighten them out once and for. All,

1545
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:36,719
Speaker 3: also this conversation has the first invocation of Hot. Dog

1546
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:40,560
Speaker 3: ice says The ogre and Hot, DOG i wouldn't be

1547
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 3: surprised if it was them that Sold chris the gizmo

1548
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:45,640
Speaker 3: in the first. Place AND i think it's time we

1549
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:49,759
Speaker 3: got Even, yeah what a, sentence As i'm still even

1550
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:52,040
Speaker 3: on second, VIEWING i was still trying to figure Out Hot.

1551
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 2: Dog, yeah, like why do we need another care BECAUSE

1552
01:21:55,439 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 2: i think it should be clear at this, Point like

1553
01:21:57,000 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 2: the plot is almost overly complex, here like the films

1554
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:04,640
Speaker 2: that it clearly, inspired this, movie you, know are not

1555
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:06,760
Speaker 2: simple in their, structure BUT i feel like they are

1556
01:22:06,760 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 2: a lot more, streamlined and we have we have just

1557
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 2: a number of factions here and a number of. Individuals

1558
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 2: the politics are are kind of Like game Of thrones level,

1559
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:18,840
Speaker 2: already and they don't really need to be for a

1560
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:19,320
Speaker 2: movie like.

1561
01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:23,479
Speaker 3: This in this, Scene anne has another. Idea she, says,

1562
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:26,720
Speaker 3: uh MAYBE i was the One chris was spying. On

1563
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 3: since it's, like you, know the largest corporation in the

1564
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 3: world which controls the cops is looking for. Me you

1565
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 3: think the gang would be, like, oh that makes, sense

1566
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 3: but instead they're, like, eh maybe who.

1567
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 2: Knows these these these gangs are just like it's all about.

1568
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 2: Them they just think they're the center of the.

1569
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 3: Universe so there are more scenes, where, uh we See

1570
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 3: fisher running around like taking phone calls and he'll, say,

1571
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:55,000
Speaker 3: like It's, Fisher i'm In. Manhattan she's always In. Manhattan

1572
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 3: where else would you. Be there are scenes of this

1573
01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:03,559
Speaker 3: developing romance Between trash And. Ann he's, like are you

1574
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 3: missing a boyfriend back In? Manhattan do you want to

1575
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 3: go back? There and she's, like, NO i love only

1576
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:11,559
Speaker 3: you and the. Gang it's the first Time i've ever

1577
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:15,040
Speaker 3: really felt THAT i. Belong she, says this is a quote.

1578
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 3: QUOTE i feel safe with, You. Trash don't you ever

1579
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:20,679
Speaker 3: let them take me away from?

1580
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:20,800
Speaker 2: You?

1581
01:23:21,240 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 3: Yeah and this is said in a flophouse room with

1582
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 3: just infinite layers of graffiti on the.

1583
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:30,759
Speaker 2: Walls, yeah but they, have you, Know Coca cola And

1584
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:33,800
Speaker 2: Jack daniels and Possibly half And, half so they're.

1585
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 3: Good. Yeah there's an action scene later where the writers

1586
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 3: mess with an armored police truck so they like lead

1587
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:44,760
Speaker 3: it on a merry chase and they spray painted cussword

1588
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 3: on the windshield while the truck is still in. MOTION

1589
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:50,599
Speaker 3: i like that. Party, meanwhile we finally get to Meet

1590
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:54,519
Speaker 3: Vic morrow As. Hammer so he comes into frame on,

1591
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:57,719
Speaker 3: foot wandering the streets of The bronx with a tube shaped,

1592
01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:00,639
Speaker 3: package like he's delivering a poster in a post. Tube

1593
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:05,120
Speaker 3: what do you think secretly inside? There Funk base plays

1594
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:08,720
Speaker 3: while he. Walks he's got a trucker hat aviator, sunglasses

1595
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 3: an open windbreaker, jacket just very classic bounty hunter. Look

1596
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 3: just a stone cold. Killer. Yeah So hammer locates and

1597
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:22,280
Speaker 3: strolls into the writer's, hideout which is a ruined building

1598
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:25,600
Speaker 3: with graffiti. Everywhere there are a couple of lookouts on the,

1599
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:28,240
Speaker 3: stairs a man and a woman who are making out

1600
01:24:28,280 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 3: When hammer, enters and when they See hammer coming past

1601
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:36,840
Speaker 3: the past the staircase, landing the mail writer stands up

1602
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 3: and he pulls out a, switchblade and he gives this great.

1603
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 3: Line he, says go another step and you're. Dead try

1604
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:44,600
Speaker 3: to run away and you're. Dead stay right where you.

1605
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 3: Are you're, dead, too horrible negotiation.

1606
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:50,880
Speaker 2: Tactic you're just. Giving you're giving the other guy no options.

1607
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 3: Here, Right But hammer is too. Deadly he turns and

1608
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 3: reveals that his tube shaped package is not a. Poster

1609
01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:00,719
Speaker 3: it's not a poster Of Jim. Morrison it's a hidden,

1610
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 3: shotgun and he blasts the man with the, knife and

1611
01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 3: then in a super cold, move he shoots the woman

1612
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:08,200
Speaker 3: on the stairs, too who she has not moved or

1613
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 3: made any. Threats so we instantly learn, like oh whoa?

1614
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:14,840
Speaker 3: Okay hammer does not care for human. Life one bit

1615
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 3: death is cheap to.

1616
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 2: HIM i liked how when he fires off the first,

1617
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 2: shot he fires it, well it's still in the tube as.

1618
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:24,200
Speaker 2: Well he has like a secret little trapdoor on the

1619
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:26,760
Speaker 2: side of the tube and he's firing the shotgun before

1620
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 2: it's fully.

1621
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 3: Revealed, yeah and then as a red, Herring hammer DROPS

1622
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:34,720
Speaker 3: i believe a gold ring of The Tigers gang on

1623
01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:39,280
Speaker 3: the dead. Bodies so, anyway the gunfire alerts all of

1624
01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:42,200
Speaker 3: the riders, inside and this leads into this tense scene

1625
01:25:42,200 --> 01:25:45,640
Speaker 3: Where hammer fights through the, hideout shooting and then disappearing

1626
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 3: and they're chasing him. Around trash shows some bravado in this,

1627
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 3: fight just standing in the middle of the halls instead

1628
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 3: of instead of taking. Cover AS i said, earlier in

1629
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 3: a lot of the scenes with, Violence trash just shows

1630
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:02,640
Speaker 3: uttered disregard for his own, safeties just like does not

1631
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:05,519
Speaker 3: even appear to be making an effort to, survive except

1632
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 3: in like fighting and dealing blows. Back so Eventually hammer

1633
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:12,679
Speaker 3: flees out a window and jumps in a big. Truck

1634
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 3: it's like A, neon, yellow green and black semi trailer

1635
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 3: truck without a. Trailer takes off down the road and

1636
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:22,960
Speaker 3: the riders, follow and then there's a clever little escape

1637
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:26,679
Speaker 3: moment where the truck slows down And Vic marrow jumps

1638
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:30,080
Speaker 3: out of the truck onto an elevated train, platform and

1639
01:26:30,120 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 3: then the truck keeps. Going the riders keep chasing the

1640
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 3: truck once they finally catch up to. It is there anyone?

1641
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 3: Inside why there? Is and it's Hot, dog Hot?

1642
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 2: Dog all, right we'll finally get to figure out what

1643
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:44,599
Speaker 2: Hot dog's all? About what's the all? About will we really?

1644
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:48,639
Speaker 3: Know so they're, like, oh it's Hot, dog of, course

1645
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:53,000
Speaker 3: And ice is immediately mad at Hot. Dog ice accuses

1646
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 3: him of trying to help the guy who attacked them,

1647
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 3: escape which does seem to be what. Happened Hot dog

1648
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:02,760
Speaker 3: And ice trade insults and threats back and. Forth Hot

1649
01:27:02,840 --> 01:27:05,800
Speaker 3: dog has a prosthetic, leg And ice keeps threatening to

1650
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:10,280
Speaker 3: shove it in certain. Places trash searches Hot dog's, cab

1651
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:13,720
Speaker 3: doesn't find. Anything trash asks, him did you sell that

1652
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:16,559
Speaker 3: gizmo To? Chris Hot dog, says, like you're gonna ask

1653
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:18,320
Speaker 3: me questions about a? GIZMO i don't even know what

1654
01:27:18,360 --> 01:27:23,400
Speaker 3: a gizmo. Is back at the, base the writers have

1655
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:25,960
Speaker 3: a kind Of viking funeral for the two riders who

1656
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,559
Speaker 3: are killed in the. Stairwell they burn them on a

1657
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 3: giant funeral pyre and the riders each get a fistful

1658
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:34,519
Speaker 3: of the ashes to ride out to The East river

1659
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:37,559
Speaker 3: and throw the ashes, in THOUGH i would note that

1660
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:40,000
Speaker 3: we see them do this and most of the ashes

1661
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:41,760
Speaker 3: do not make it to the. Water they just kind

1662
01:27:41,800 --> 01:27:44,599
Speaker 3: of blow back in the rider's faces Big lebowski. Style

1663
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:51,760
Speaker 3: also during the funeral, scene ultra dramatic choral. MUSIC i

1664
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:55,680
Speaker 3: don't know what this music, is but for the emotional

1665
01:27:55,720 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 3: tone they, Like Oh fortuna is just incredibly dramatic kind of.

1666
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:03,960
Speaker 2: Thing, yeah it really reminded me of that as. Well, yeah,

1667
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 2: yeah very.

1668
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 3: Intense. Yeah anne blames herself for what. Happened she says

1669
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 3: it never would have happened if she didn't come, here

1670
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:15,240
Speaker 3: But trash tells her it's The. Bronx worse things happen every. Day.

1671
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 3: Now there are more scenes of scheming between the bad.

1672
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:22,599
Speaker 3: Guys we get these phone calls Between fisher And hammer

1673
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 3: Where fisher's, like work, faster what AM i paying you

1674
01:28:25,120 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 3: for that kind of? Thing Meanwhile hammer is, LIKE i

1675
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 3: don't care about. Anything fire me if you, WANT i don't,

1676
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:34,479
Speaker 3: care And fisher keeps him on the, job he explains

1677
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:37,280
Speaker 3: to his toady That hammer is a better option than

1678
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:40,759
Speaker 3: sending a special squad because they can't have any negative.

1679
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 3: Publicity he, says it can only Be. Hammer he was

1680
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:48,000
Speaker 3: born in The, bronx he's one of. Them and then

1681
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:50,280
Speaker 3: the vice President guy's, like but he has his own

1682
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:53,599
Speaker 3: acts to grind and he's a killer at, Heart and

1683
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 3: Then fisher says he's just an hoole who thinks He's,

1684
01:28:57,640 --> 01:29:02,679
Speaker 3: god to which the vice president, REPLIES i hope you're.

1685
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 2: Right, yeah this sounds like the perfect guy to hire

1686
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 2: when you cannot have any bad publicity at. All let's

1687
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:12,639
Speaker 2: just hire an absolute. PSYCHOPATH i really hope this guy

1688
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 2: we hired his delusions of grandeur that will get in

1689
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:17,880
Speaker 2: the way of him being able to perform his task.

1690
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:23,800
Speaker 3: Effectively that'll never happen. Anyway anne is feeling guilty about

1691
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 3: causing the deaths of her gang. Mates they were Named

1692
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:30,160
Speaker 3: sandy And, speedy by the, Way so what speedy sounds

1693
01:29:30,160 --> 01:29:33,280
Speaker 3: like an insulting name for a motorcycle gang. Member don't

1694
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:35,920
Speaker 3: it sound like you're mocking him or? Something?

1695
01:29:36,120 --> 01:29:38,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah why didn't this guy get a good name like?

1696
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:44,599
Speaker 3: Trash so she rides off on a motorcycle on her.

1697
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:47,920
Speaker 3: Own she goes to the beach to. Brood, meanwhile back

1698
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 3: at gang, headquarters a debate breaks. Out so they find

1699
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:55,040
Speaker 3: The tiger's ring on the, bodies And ice is, like,

1700
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 3: LOOK i told, you told, you this is evidence from

1701
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 3: my previous. Argument The tigers are making moves against. Us

1702
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:03,719
Speaker 3: we got to bring war to the. Tigers And ice

1703
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:06,760
Speaker 3: gets everybody in the gang chanting like, yeah, war kill, them,

1704
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 3: all kill. Them But trash is the voice of reason.

1705
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:11,680
Speaker 3: Here he's, like, look we don't know what was the.

1706
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:14,280
Speaker 3: Tigers this could be a trick trying to get us

1707
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 3: to do exactly what you're doing. Now And, blade the trusty,

1708
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:22,160
Speaker 3: sideman he sides With. Trash he's, like you, Know he's, like,

1709
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:24,360
Speaker 3: yeah let's let's let's take more time to figure out

1710
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:27,600
Speaker 3: what's really going. On but basically everybody seems to be

1711
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:30,280
Speaker 3: On ICE's, side itching for, war so you, Know trash

1712
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:33,080
Speaker 3: could have a mutiny on his hands. Here the scene

1713
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:36,240
Speaker 3: also has some lines we probably shouldn't quote on unless

1714
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 3: we want to get the podcast. Flagged but it's, some

1715
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:41,000
Speaker 3: as you said in a text to, Me, rob great

1716
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:43,800
Speaker 3: moments and. Cussing it's so. Good oh, yeah we.

1717
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:45,920
Speaker 2: CAN'T i guess we can't say, it but it's it's

1718
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:47,439
Speaker 2: pretty incredible laugh out loud.

1719
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:53,400
Speaker 3: Moment. Yeah So trash finds, that he goes and he

1720
01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:55,320
Speaker 3: Finds anne on the. Beach he rides out to be

1721
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:58,000
Speaker 3: with her and they have an emotional heart to. Heart

1722
01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:03,519
Speaker 3: this scene is also. Unintentionally ann says she Loves, trash

1723
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:06,000
Speaker 3: but she can't stay because she knows she's the cause

1724
01:31:06,040 --> 01:31:08,360
Speaker 3: of these killings and if she, stays more people will.

1725
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:12,360
Speaker 3: Die trash has a very philosophical response to. This he,

1726
01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:16,639
Speaker 3: SAYS i wrote this. Down he, says. Nonsense we were born.

1727
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:20,759
Speaker 3: Dead life means. Nothing we live with death every single.

1728
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 3: Day death walks with, Us death rides and sleeps with.

1729
01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:28,479
Speaker 3: Us we carry its smell onto our. Skins so don't

1730
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:29,000
Speaker 3: go blame in.

1731
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:31,719
Speaker 2: Yourself stop stop making so much, Sense.

1732
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:36,400
Speaker 3: Trash. Yeah anne explains that when she comes of, age

1733
01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:38,800
Speaker 3: she will have to. Inherit the throne of The Manhattan,

1734
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:43,839
Speaker 3: corporation which wrote this down also quote controls over sixty

1735
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:47,080
Speaker 3: percent of the world's arms, production which Means i'd be

1736
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:51,120
Speaker 3: a mere puppet on a, string manipulated by, greedy power crazed.

1737
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:55,439
Speaker 3: Hands they're, Unscrupulous, trash AND i don't want any part in.

1738
01:31:55,479 --> 01:31:59,320
Speaker 3: It yet without, me they're. Powerless, okay so now you

1739
01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:02,799
Speaker 3: understand why they'll act at any, cost use any means

1740
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:05,519
Speaker 3: to get their filthy hands on. Me, No, trash these

1741
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:09,360
Speaker 3: killings were not a. Coincidence, GOD i was trying to.

1742
01:32:09,439 --> 01:32:12,120
Speaker 3: Understand why would they be powerless without?

1743
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:14,679
Speaker 2: HER i, mean it seems like it would at most

1744
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:17,839
Speaker 2: be a temporary, scenario, Right, like at some point there

1745
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:20,200
Speaker 2: has to be some sort of a plan that kicks

1746
01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:24,679
Speaker 2: in if the Air apparent refuses to take the throne

1747
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:29,760
Speaker 2: or is declared dead or is killed by cannibals underneath the,

1748
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:33,160
Speaker 2: Bronx like something has to happen, next unless IT'S i,

1749
01:32:33,200 --> 01:32:36,519
Speaker 2: guess set up to where like the corporation just you,

1750
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:38,480
Speaker 2: know comes apart at the seams.

1751
01:32:38,120 --> 01:32:41,880
Speaker 3: And there it's in their bylaws that if they don't

1752
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:46,840
Speaker 3: have like a hereditary air to assume the throne at

1753
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:48,400
Speaker 3: a certain, time the corporation just.

1754
01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:51,880
Speaker 2: Dissolves, YEAH i. Guess so that's the BEST i can imagine.

1755
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:55,679
Speaker 3: Here, Anyway so he, Is so she gives that, speech

1756
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:58,240
Speaker 3: And trash, says if this is, true you'd be running

1757
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:01,000
Speaker 3: right back into their. Arms she, SAYS i, know but

1758
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:04,800
Speaker 3: better that than seeing you. Killed and Then trash hair

1759
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:07,680
Speaker 3: blowing in the. Sea breeze, says at least dying for

1760
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:11,200
Speaker 3: you would give my life a. Meaning and so they

1761
01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:14,840
Speaker 3: ride off. Together, however on the way, back when riding

1762
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:16,920
Speaker 3: through a, TUNNEL i think the same tunnel where they

1763
01:33:16,920 --> 01:33:17,719
Speaker 3: had the fight scene.

1764
01:33:17,720 --> 01:33:22,280
Speaker 2: Earlier, yeah it would be the room sound stage, Interior.

1765
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:27,120
Speaker 3: Trash And anne are ambushed by. Zombies not the, zombies

1766
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:31,879
Speaker 3: but the zombies the roller hockey. Players trash is trapped

1767
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 3: in a net and knocked, unconscious And anne is kidnapped

1768
01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:37,759
Speaker 3: back to the zombies headquarters the roller hockey.

1769
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:42,240
Speaker 2: Dojo all, right so everything is thrown in. Disarray our

1770
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:43,760
Speaker 2: lovers are. Separated what's going to?

1771
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:57,160
Speaker 3: Happen so there is a scene Between hammer and Hot.

1772
01:33:57,200 --> 01:34:00,600
Speaker 3: Dog Hot dog Helped hammer because he owed him a,

1773
01:34:00,640 --> 01:34:03,880
Speaker 3: favor but he doesn't want to get caught up in

1774
01:34:03,920 --> 01:34:06,600
Speaker 3: a gang. War and we learned that the girl is.

1775
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:09,360
Speaker 3: Important hammer explains she's going to be the future president

1776
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:12,080
Speaker 3: of The Manhattan. Corporation he's, like you gotta help. Me

1777
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:15,479
Speaker 3: Hot dog, says how much are you gonna pay? Me hammer,

1778
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:18,439
Speaker 3: says don't talk to me that. Way don't talk to

1779
01:34:18,479 --> 01:34:23,439
Speaker 3: me that way, ever and then Later hammer says that

1780
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:27,080
Speaker 3: Hot dog needs to set up a meeting between himself

1781
01:34:27,400 --> 01:34:31,120
Speaker 3: Between hammer And. Ice Hot dog, says, ooh but be.

1782
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:33,920
Speaker 3: Careful ice is. Ambitious you, know he wants to take

1783
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:36,920
Speaker 3: over the. Gang he wants to Usurp, trash And hammer says.

1784
01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:42,000
Speaker 3: Exactly Hot dog, says you're playing with. Fire hammer, SAYS i,

1785
01:34:42,120 --> 01:34:44,320
Speaker 3: know AND i love. IT i love.

1786
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:47,599
Speaker 2: It And Vic morro is so. Good you believe it

1787
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:49,519
Speaker 2: like you believe this line that would just be a

1788
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:53,760
Speaker 2: throwaway villain line from most. Actors that he believes. It

1789
01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:54,719
Speaker 2: he really believes.

1790
01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:58,600
Speaker 3: It So ice is still pushing for. War when we

1791
01:34:58,600 --> 01:35:00,200
Speaker 3: hook back up at The, gang he, say and we've

1792
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:04,040
Speaker 3: got to attack the. Tigers First blade responds by, saying

1793
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:06,360
Speaker 3: you've got to be. Kidding you've got your gray matter

1794
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:10,479
Speaker 3: in your. Butt in the middle of this, Argument trash

1795
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:13,760
Speaker 3: rides up and reports That anne has been, kidnapped And

1796
01:35:13,960 --> 01:35:17,000
Speaker 3: ice And trash have a disagreement over how to react to.

1797
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:20,200
Speaker 3: This ice, says let's go to war against the. Tigers,

1798
01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:24,000
Speaker 3: oh brilliant. Ideas like, Furthermore carthage must be. Destroyed there

1799
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:26,400
Speaker 3: every single scene Is ice is just we got to

1800
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:30,000
Speaker 3: go to war against The. Tigers trash, Says, No, Instead

1801
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:32,400
Speaker 3: i'm going to go talk to The. Ogre i'm gonna

1802
01:35:32,400 --> 01:35:34,880
Speaker 3: find out what's really happening and see if we can

1803
01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:37,760
Speaker 3: work together to Save ann from The zombies and from

1804
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:41,320
Speaker 3: The Manhattan. Corporation But ice, says how are you going

1805
01:35:41,400 --> 01:35:43,160
Speaker 3: to get To Ogre because you'd have to go through

1806
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:47,519
Speaker 3: the territories of The, jackals The, scavengers The. Sharks you'd

1807
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:49,240
Speaker 3: have to make it all the way back To Coney

1808
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:51,599
Speaker 3: island in one. Night, yeah that's a whole movie right.

1809
01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:54,840
Speaker 3: There it is the plot of The warriors condensed into The,

1810
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:57,479
Speaker 3: bronx except we're not going to see most of these

1811
01:35:57,520 --> 01:35:58,720
Speaker 3: gang there's only a couple of.

1812
01:35:58,720 --> 01:36:00,919
Speaker 2: Them, YEAH i can only imagine what who The jackals?

1813
01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:04,920
Speaker 3: Were The. Sharks, Yeah So trash decides to take a

1814
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:08,320
Speaker 3: team with, him and he leaves his trusty Friend blade

1815
01:36:08,439 --> 01:36:12,200
Speaker 3: behind to keep an eye On. Ice so let's. See

1816
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:15,559
Speaker 3: we get a scene at the zombies headquarters Where ann Meets,

1817
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:18,400
Speaker 3: golum the head of The. Zombies this Is George, Eastman,

1818
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:21,599
Speaker 3: rob you have comments on this place sort of a training. Gym,

1819
01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:22,840
Speaker 3: YEAH i love.

1820
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:28,480
Speaker 2: This they're constantly engaging in kind of it's very, colorful

1821
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:33,839
Speaker 2: very theatrical terrorist. Training so there's a lot like hustling

1822
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:38,240
Speaker 2: around mostly on roller skates and, yeah it's just a

1823
01:36:38,240 --> 01:36:41,719
Speaker 2: circus fun. House it's pretty. Great, again love the bright.

1824
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:45,160
Speaker 2: Colors love this this makeover For George eastman where he

1825
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:48,920
Speaker 2: also he also kind of looks like he's taking a

1826
01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:52,120
Speaker 2: break from being like a mocap villain on A Mortal kombat.

1827
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:54,759
Speaker 2: Game you, know he's got something about the costume, Here.

1828
01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:57,600
Speaker 3: Yeah the spread, out like THE v shaped pads and

1829
01:36:57,640 --> 01:37:00,599
Speaker 3: the shoulders it. Does it looks like like a red

1830
01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:04,960
Speaker 3: version of like The scorpion sub zero suit In Mortal. Kombat,

1831
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:09,240
Speaker 3: yeah except without a without a head. Covering. Yeah so

1832
01:37:09,400 --> 01:37:12,160
Speaker 3: this place, ALSO i, like has tire swings, inside but

1833
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:13,080
Speaker 3: this very painted.

1834
01:37:13,080 --> 01:37:15,120
Speaker 2: White. YEAH i think that it has that sort of

1835
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:17,760
Speaker 2: like terrorist training on a playground feel to, it where

1836
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:21,519
Speaker 2: it feels like like it's a set From bozo The,

1837
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 2: clown except you have all these these heartless soldiers that

1838
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:27,720
Speaker 2: are training their their conquest exercises.

1839
01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:31,479
Speaker 3: Here. Yeah it is a mix between like The Specter

1840
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:34,600
Speaker 3: kill training grounds in A James bond movie and like

1841
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:39,280
Speaker 3: A Dz discovery. Zone also they've Got anne chained up

1842
01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:41,320
Speaker 3: in the middle of the, gymnasium just right in the

1843
01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:45,960
Speaker 3: middle where everybody's running around on skates around. Her So

1844
01:37:46,120 --> 01:37:49,080
Speaker 3: trash and his cycle notts are now traveling through the

1845
01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:53,120
Speaker 3: different gang. Territories my favorite gang again or the top

1846
01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:57,040
Speaker 3: hat ballet mimes and the kiss. Makeup we run into

1847
01:37:57,080 --> 01:38:02,040
Speaker 3: them in some room with all these. COLUMNS i think

1848
01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:05,439
Speaker 3: these are called The Iron. Men but they're about to

1849
01:38:05,439 --> 01:38:08,120
Speaker 3: have to fight with all these. Guys but Then, trash their,

1850
01:38:08,200 --> 01:38:10,320
Speaker 3: leader comes, out who is a woman in a gold

1851
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:13,479
Speaker 3: top hat and a gold, suit And trash flirts with,

1852
01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:15,920
Speaker 3: her and after some kind of light threats back and,

1853
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:18,800
Speaker 3: forth she actually she reveals she likes. Him she lets

1854
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:21,960
Speaker 3: them pass through. Unharmed she, says you're, Lucky. Trash you,

1855
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:24,240
Speaker 3: See i've got a soft spot in my heart for.

1856
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:27,360
Speaker 3: You And trash, says and they, say you've got an iron.

1857
01:38:27,439 --> 01:38:31,360
Speaker 2: Heart, ah there you. Go that's where the iron in comes. From, yeah,

1858
01:38:31,439 --> 01:38:33,160
Speaker 2: YEAH i love this. FACTION i like to think that

1859
01:38:33,200 --> 01:38:36,040
Speaker 2: they're all Like broadway musical exiles who have been like you,

1860
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:38,320
Speaker 2: know they have had a fleet to The, bronx AND

1861
01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:40,080
Speaker 2: i love. That, hey we didn't have to solve this

1862
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:42,280
Speaker 2: one with. Violence this one was more of a charisma

1863
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:45,960
Speaker 2: saving throat sort of, thing so they're able to keep moving.

1864
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:49,280
Speaker 3: Now in the, meantime here there is some scheming Between

1865
01:38:49,320 --> 01:38:53,000
Speaker 3: hammer And. Ice ice Betrays trash so that he can

1866
01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:56,960
Speaker 3: take over the. Gang blade snoops on this, meeting by

1867
01:38:56,960 --> 01:38:59,920
Speaker 3: the way he sees them making a, deal But ice

1868
01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:04,400
Speaker 3: Gives hammer a spike club just Like trash's signature, weapons

1869
01:39:04,479 --> 01:39:06,280
Speaker 3: so this is gonna be perfect for a frame up.

1870
01:39:06,360 --> 01:39:11,200
Speaker 3: Later and Then blade runs After trash to warn, him

1871
01:39:11,320 --> 01:39:15,519
Speaker 3: but he gets caught by The. Scavengers so this is

1872
01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:18,439
Speaker 3: another sequence of the gang territory The trash and his

1873
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:21,800
Speaker 3: men must pass. Through they got to go through The scavenger's,

1874
01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:25,160
Speaker 3: ground which is like a DUSTY i want to say,

1875
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:28,320
Speaker 3: sewer but it's not. Wet it's like a, dusty dry

1876
01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:33,320
Speaker 3: underground sewer underground passageways and, catacombs and there are these

1877
01:39:34,360 --> 01:39:37,720
Speaker 3: mutant kind of dudes down there wearing rags with like

1878
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:41,400
Speaker 3: white dusty faces and just dust coming off of them

1879
01:39:41,479 --> 01:39:45,400
Speaker 3: and dangling, bandages almost like they're kind of mummies or.

1880
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:48,600
Speaker 3: SOMETHING i don't know what these guys are, exactly BUT

1881
01:39:49,120 --> 01:39:51,680
Speaker 3: i assume there's some kind of mutants or something in the.

1882
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:58,160
Speaker 2: Sewers, yeah, yeah just some sort of mutant, creatures mutated. Humans,

1883
01:39:58,760 --> 01:40:01,360
Speaker 2: yeah they don't seem to really have care. Characters they're just.

1884
01:40:01,479 --> 01:40:04,840
Speaker 3: Hostile but eventually we come into the third, act which

1885
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:07,439
Speaker 3: is when we hook back up with the tigers and

1886
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:10,800
Speaker 3: With ogre And. Witch so when we first Meet ogre,

1887
01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:13,320
Speaker 3: again he's like going through all of these shipments THAT

1888
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:16,040
Speaker 3: i think are going to be distributed to the neighborhoods

1889
01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:19,479
Speaker 3: in The. Bronx so this is your classic gang leader

1890
01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:22,439
Speaker 3: who is showing his large ass to the, people you,

1891
01:40:22,479 --> 01:40:25,040
Speaker 3: know making making friends of the people by giving gifts to,

1892
01:40:25,080 --> 01:40:25,799
Speaker 3: THEM i. Believe.

1893
01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah and again he sees himself as the king

1894
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:30,519
Speaker 2: of The, bronx and apparently to some, degree takes it

1895
01:40:30,560 --> 01:40:33,720
Speaker 2: seriously and is bestowing goods and gifts upon.

1896
01:40:33,800 --> 01:40:38,320
Speaker 3: Them so he's hanging out in his big pleasure, dome you,

1897
01:40:38,360 --> 01:40:40,240
Speaker 3: know with all of his. FRIENDS i think they actually

1898
01:40:40,240 --> 01:40:43,759
Speaker 3: have a tiger in. There, yeah and they've got music

1899
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:47,080
Speaker 3: and it's just cool people lounging about And ogre and

1900
01:40:47,120 --> 01:40:52,200
Speaker 3: which and So trash is trying to sneak into this

1901
01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:57,200
Speaker 3: place to talk To. Ogre but, unfortunately while he is sneaking.

1902
01:40:57,240 --> 01:40:58,960
Speaker 3: IN i feel like he shouldn't have snuck. In he

1903
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:01,200
Speaker 3: should just kind of like go hands up and be like,

1904
01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:03,320
Speaker 3: OPENLY i want to talk To. Ogre the sneaking in

1905
01:41:03,479 --> 01:41:06,120
Speaker 3: kind of gets him in trouble because while he's sneaking,

1906
01:41:06,160 --> 01:41:09,600
Speaker 3: in he gets caught by one member of The, tigers

1907
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:12,640
Speaker 3: and Then hammer is. There by the, way did you

1908
01:41:13,479 --> 01:41:17,760
Speaker 3: note How hammer just straight up has teleportation powers in this.

1909
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:21,320
Speaker 3: Movie he never seems to take him any time to

1910
01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:25,360
Speaker 3: get between. Places he's just instantly wherever the plot needs

1911
01:41:25,439 --> 01:41:26,519
Speaker 3: him to be at any given.

1912
01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:29,160
Speaker 2: Time, yeah he's like the. Devil he just pops up

1913
01:41:29,240 --> 01:41:29,959
Speaker 2: As nata.

1914
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:32,360
Speaker 3: Or Like Jason, vorhees he's how did he get in

1915
01:41:32,360 --> 01:41:35,120
Speaker 3: front of? Us but he in this, case he just

1916
01:41:35,200 --> 01:41:39,759
Speaker 3: appears behind this guy and throws a spike club into

1917
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:43,680
Speaker 3: the guy's back and Frames trash for the. Murder so

1918
01:41:43,720 --> 01:41:47,479
Speaker 3: he's trying to Get ogre to Kill trash so that

1919
01:41:47,880 --> 01:41:51,479
Speaker 3: he can Make hans The king of The riders and

1920
01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:53,400
Speaker 3: he can Get anne back to take her back to

1921
01:41:53,439 --> 01:41:56,639
Speaker 3: The Manhattan. Corporation so it looks like that's gonna happen

1922
01:41:56,640 --> 01:41:58,479
Speaker 3: for a. While but THEN i, think sort of which

1923
01:41:58,600 --> 01:42:01,439
Speaker 3: stands up For, trash. Doesn't she kind of vouches for

1924
01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:06,639
Speaker 3: him To, ogre And ogre eventually ends up Believing. Trash

1925
01:42:06,680 --> 01:42:08,920
Speaker 3: now do you remember exactly what it is that kind

1926
01:42:08,920 --> 01:42:11,960
Speaker 3: of Gets ogre On trash's? SIDE i do.

1927
01:42:12,160 --> 01:42:14,719
Speaker 2: Not, yeah at this point in the, movie it. Does

1928
01:42:15,120 --> 01:42:17,280
Speaker 2: things begin to sort of like everything's kind of lining

1929
01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:19,760
Speaker 2: up and you can kind of see where things are.

1930
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:24,759
Speaker 2: Going but, yeah whatever doubt was there is swiftly, erased

1931
01:42:24,840 --> 01:42:27,720
Speaker 2: and it becomes clear that there's gonna be a there's

1932
01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:32,400
Speaker 2: gonna be An Ogre trash team up. Here, yes they're

1933
01:42:32,439 --> 01:42:35,720
Speaker 2: going to be a united front against the. Enemies it's

1934
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:36,479
Speaker 2: a great team.

1935
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:40,559
Speaker 3: Up so Once trash And ogre are on the same,

1936
01:42:40,600 --> 01:42:42,519
Speaker 3: team which comes with them and the three of them

1937
01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:46,840
Speaker 3: head back down into the, sewers Into scavenger Territory, uh

1938
01:42:46,840 --> 01:42:49,000
Speaker 3: and they're going to go to where the zombies are

1939
01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:51,120
Speaker 3: because they find out that the zombies Have ann and

1940
01:42:51,160 --> 01:42:53,960
Speaker 3: they're going to rescue. Her so this leads into some

1941
01:42:53,960 --> 01:42:58,160
Speaker 3: great fight Scenes Ogre witch And uh And hammer or

1942
01:42:58,360 --> 01:43:02,360
Speaker 3: Not hammer, Sorry Ogre witch and fighting the. Mutants LIKE

1943
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:05,160
Speaker 3: i said, EARLIER i really Enjoy Fred williamson's fight. SCENES

1944
01:43:05,200 --> 01:43:07,240
Speaker 3: i really enjoy witch in the fight scenes as. Well

1945
01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:09,280
Speaker 3: she's got a whip with her and she cracks it

1946
01:43:09,320 --> 01:43:09,800
Speaker 3: on the bad.

1947
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:12,360
Speaker 2: GUYS i think we get an excellent beheading of one

1948
01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:15,360
Speaker 2: of the mutants By ogre here to punctuate this fight.

1949
01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:19,760
Speaker 3: Sequence but eventually they make their way to the zombies

1950
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:25,360
Speaker 3: headquarters where Where ogre Fights. Golum NOW i think they

1951
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:26,360
Speaker 3: have some kind of history.

1952
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:29,320
Speaker 2: Together oh, yeah surely. SO i don't know that we're

1953
01:43:29,320 --> 01:43:31,639
Speaker 2: really privy to it, all but, yeah these these these

1954
01:43:31,640 --> 01:43:34,000
Speaker 2: two are well aware of each. Other so, yeah we

1955
01:43:34,040 --> 01:43:36,800
Speaker 2: get this wonderful fight Between ogre And, goluin Between Fred

1956
01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:40,320
Speaker 2: williamson And George, eastman which my only complaint is the.

1957
01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:42,400
Speaker 2: Short it's a short. Fight it doesn't take up a

1958
01:43:42,400 --> 01:43:45,160
Speaker 2: lot of screen, time but what you get is. Fun

1959
01:43:45,560 --> 01:43:47,920
Speaker 2: it feels it feels very. Stiff, AGAIN i don't know

1960
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:50,160
Speaker 2: that these guys were actually punching each. Other i'm just saying.

1961
01:43:50,240 --> 01:43:54,640
Speaker 2: It it feels violent and uh and it ends. Up

1962
01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:57,839
Speaker 2: it ends in a VERY i, thought it's definitely a quality.

1963
01:43:57,920 --> 01:44:01,800
Speaker 2: Kill so we have this great sequence Where golum has

1964
01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:05,200
Speaker 2: a knife and he's coming At ogre with it And

1965
01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:09,080
Speaker 2: ogre like counters and like puts him in a hammer

1966
01:44:09,120 --> 01:44:12,240
Speaker 2: lock holding the knife and then plunges his head through

1967
01:44:12,439 --> 01:44:14,880
Speaker 2: a pane of glass and we get The we cut

1968
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:18,400
Speaker 2: to the shot outside and seeing his bloody, Face eastman's

1969
01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:21,439
Speaker 2: bloody face coming through the, glass and then again the.

1970
01:44:21,520 --> 01:44:24,880
Speaker 2: Dagger hen still in a hammer. Lock he then Stabs

1971
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:29,599
Speaker 2: gollum in the, back and so Now golam is dead

1972
01:44:29,800 --> 01:44:31,679
Speaker 2: And ogre is. Victorious pretty.

1973
01:44:31,680 --> 01:44:34,400
Speaker 3: Great you can always Tell georgiesman likes to get his

1974
01:44:34,479 --> 01:44:38,760
Speaker 3: face bloodied up in a. Movie, yeah, yeah so, yeah

1975
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:42,519
Speaker 3: it gets the glass. Cuts but, okay so That's golum Versus.

1976
01:44:42,640 --> 01:44:45,400
Speaker 3: Ogre ogre. Wins we're about to get another big show

1977
01:44:45,439 --> 01:44:50,479
Speaker 3: down Because trash freeze and from her. Chains but then

1978
01:44:50,479 --> 01:44:54,160
Speaker 3: we get a confrontation Between trash And, ice and Now

1979
01:44:54,360 --> 01:44:58,880
Speaker 3: trash learn has learned That ice is a. Trader they

1980
01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:02,080
Speaker 3: have a good confrontation where at First ice tries to

1981
01:45:02,120 --> 01:45:03,760
Speaker 3: talk his way out of, it but then he like

1982
01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:06,439
Speaker 3: pulls a dirty fight. Move he like tries to Surprise

1983
01:45:06,600 --> 01:45:10,040
Speaker 3: trash and hit him with. Something yeah, yeah, yeah.

1984
01:45:09,680 --> 01:45:11,760
Speaker 2: Because prior to, that he's, LIKE i did this all for, You,

1985
01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:14,120
Speaker 2: Trash Like i've been setting this up for. You this

1986
01:45:14,280 --> 01:45:18,400
Speaker 2: is to ensure your rule. Man but when that lie,

1987
01:45:18,479 --> 01:45:20,840
Speaker 2: fails he's, Like i'm just gonna kick you with the. Spike,

1988
01:45:21,080 --> 01:45:23,800
Speaker 2: yeah but In trash is too good of a fighter for.

1989
01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:26,679
Speaker 3: That that's, Right Trash. WENDSY i think he Throws ice

1990
01:45:26,720 --> 01:45:28,880
Speaker 3: into a pit that's got spikes at the, bottom And

1991
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:31,679
Speaker 3: ice is impaled on this big on this big spike

1992
01:45:31,720 --> 01:45:32,160
Speaker 3: going through his.

1993
01:45:32,200 --> 01:45:35,879
Speaker 2: Guts there's a lot of really good like fall stunts

1994
01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:38,720
Speaker 2: in this, picture people plunging from heights Where i'm like

1995
01:45:38,720 --> 01:45:40,280
Speaker 2: that that looked that looked pretty.

1996
01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:44,240
Speaker 3: High, yeah all, right So anne has been, rescued the

1997
01:45:44,280 --> 01:45:47,240
Speaker 3: main bad guys have been. Defeated it seems we Defeated

1998
01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:51,360
Speaker 3: we Defeated ice The, Trader we defeated the bad guy

1999
01:45:51,360 --> 01:45:55,519
Speaker 3: who ran the, zombies and our, Heroes trash And anne An.

2000
01:45:55,560 --> 01:45:58,320
Speaker 3: Ogre they can all go back to The tigers headquarters

2001
01:45:58,320 --> 01:46:01,280
Speaker 3: and just chill, right hang. Out everything things, good but

2002
01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:03,240
Speaker 3: it was not to. Be we get a tragic.

2003
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:07,040
Speaker 2: Ending, yeah that's, right because it is Finally hammer. Time

2004
01:46:08,360 --> 01:46:14,240
Speaker 2: hammer arrives with just an assault, team just, choppers, horses.

2005
01:46:14,360 --> 01:46:17,439
Speaker 2: Flamethrowers hammer at this point is as we alluded to,

2006
01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:22,080
Speaker 2: earlier just like full black. Leather Police CHIEF m bison mode,

2007
01:46:22,120 --> 01:46:29,719
Speaker 2: here just total fascist enforcer murder murder. Cop he is laughing.

2008
01:46:29,800 --> 01:46:34,080
Speaker 2: Monighacally he's no longer this independent contractor bounty, hunter like

2009
01:46:34,120 --> 01:46:38,040
Speaker 2: he is like the the the institution of of of

2010
01:46:38,120 --> 01:46:42,080
Speaker 2: government violence. Itself and this this is just a bonker sequence,

2011
01:46:42,120 --> 01:46:46,679
Speaker 2: Too like there are flamethrower users on. Horseback these guys

2012
01:46:46,720 --> 01:46:50,839
Speaker 2: are on horseback using, flamethrowers which it's.

2013
01:46:50,720 --> 01:46:52,000
Speaker 3: Kind of, Ridiculous, yeah kind of.

2014
01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:55,680
Speaker 2: Ridiculous but also these flamethrower throwers look really. Nasty it's

2015
01:46:55,720 --> 01:47:00,600
Speaker 2: really Really, yeah it's it's certainly disturbing and, effective and

2016
01:47:00,640 --> 01:47:01,400
Speaker 2: they just start killing.

2017
01:47:01,439 --> 01:47:05,200
Speaker 3: Everybody And, hammer by the, way is like standing up

2018
01:47:05,320 --> 01:47:08,439
Speaker 3: in this upper floor while watching all of this carnage

2019
01:47:08,439 --> 01:47:12,160
Speaker 3: In mayhem and just laughing maniacally like ha ha ha, ha,

2020
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:18,280
Speaker 3: yes all the. Death at one point he, Says hammer

2021
01:47:18,320 --> 01:47:20,680
Speaker 3: Says hammer Is god And god Is.

2022
01:47:20,720 --> 01:47:26,240
Speaker 2: Hammer, yeah definitely some delusions of grandeur. Here, yeah so

2023
01:47:26,640 --> 01:47:29,160
Speaker 2: it's it's again you, said it's a tragic ending because

2024
01:47:29,200 --> 01:47:32,280
Speaker 2: in the midst of all this, violence all the characters we, Like,

2025
01:47:32,479 --> 01:47:36,280
Speaker 2: yeah everyone that we like. Dies ogre. Dies, yeah he

2026
01:47:36,320 --> 01:47:40,080
Speaker 2: really gets to milk that death sequence. Though so so that's, good,

2027
01:47:40,240 --> 01:47:45,160
Speaker 2: good good scene, there solid, stuff and then Unfortunately anna

2028
01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:49,439
Speaker 2: dies as, well she's. Shot but in the midst of,

2029
01:47:49,439 --> 01:47:53,600
Speaker 2: this Luckily trash does get to Defeat. Hammer hammer is

2030
01:47:53,640 --> 01:47:56,360
Speaker 2: still on the upper. Floor he like fires a grappling

2031
01:47:56,400 --> 01:47:59,400
Speaker 2: hook into him and pulls him down and he falls

2032
01:47:59,400 --> 01:48:01,519
Speaker 2: to his, death and then he drags him behind his

2033
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:05,479
Speaker 2: motorcycle through the streets of The. Bronx and, that believe

2034
01:48:05,479 --> 01:48:07,559
Speaker 2: it or, not is the ending to the.

2035
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:10,920
Speaker 3: Movie, yeah the, Hero, trash the only character we like

2036
01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:14,480
Speaker 3: who's still, alive kills the bad guy with a grappling

2037
01:48:14,520 --> 01:48:17,240
Speaker 3: hook and drags his body behind his motorcycle is the

2038
01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:20,479
Speaker 3: ending of the. Movie and by the, Way anne's last

2039
01:48:20,520 --> 01:48:24,240
Speaker 3: line where she's like dying In trash's arms is remember

2040
01:48:24,360 --> 01:48:25,840
Speaker 3: we in The bronx live with.

2041
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:31,519
Speaker 2: DEATH i think he's gonna remember. It, Yeah so you,

2042
01:48:31,560 --> 01:48:34,560
Speaker 2: know at this, point The bronx is like entirely destabilized

2043
01:48:34,640 --> 01:48:37,640
Speaker 2: from all of, This like all the major players except

2044
01:48:37,920 --> 01:48:40,639
Speaker 2: For trash have been. Killed we don't get a sense

2045
01:48:40,680 --> 01:48:43,559
Speaker 2: That trash even wants to take the reins and become

2046
01:48:43,640 --> 01:48:46,200
Speaker 2: like the New king of The bronx or even continue

2047
01:48:46,200 --> 01:48:51,280
Speaker 2: to run the. Riders so, yeah it seems like a

2048
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:54,320
Speaker 2: pretty bleak ending doesn't leave us a lot of, hope

2049
01:48:55,240 --> 01:48:57,320
Speaker 2: though we might hold out some hope that one Day

2050
01:48:57,439 --> 01:48:59,120
Speaker 2: trash will escape The.

2051
01:48:59,120 --> 01:49:00,880
Speaker 3: Bronx is that what we're doing next?

2052
01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:03,800
Speaker 2: WEEK i THINK i think we'll we should take a

2053
01:49:03,840 --> 01:49:05,720
Speaker 2: break and maybe we'll come back to.

2054
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:09,479
Speaker 3: It though this was so much fun for. Sure, okay

2055
01:49:09,520 --> 01:49:13,840
Speaker 3: well that is nineteen Ninety The Bronx. Warriors it is

2056
01:49:13,880 --> 01:49:15,360
Speaker 3: what it. Is but it is pretty.

2057
01:49:15,400 --> 01:49:18,639
Speaker 2: Great, yeah so, yeah we'll go and close it. Out

2058
01:49:18,640 --> 01:49:20,200
Speaker 2: but we'd love to hear from everyone out. There i'd

2059
01:49:20,280 --> 01:49:22,639
Speaker 2: especially love as, Always i'd love to hear from anyone

2060
01:49:22,680 --> 01:49:24,720
Speaker 2: who watched this back in the. Day i'd love to

2061
01:49:24,760 --> 01:49:27,400
Speaker 2: hear from anybody who lives in The bronx. Today, yeah

2062
01:49:27,439 --> 01:49:31,040
Speaker 2: tell us about The, bronx what life in The bronx

2063
01:49:31,120 --> 01:49:34,600
Speaker 2: is like today and how it differs from this, movie.

2064
01:49:35,240 --> 01:49:37,880
Speaker 3: Or generally people in and around The New york, region

2065
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:40,360
Speaker 3: if you want to give your perspective on the geography

2066
01:49:40,479 --> 01:49:42,680
Speaker 3: of this, movie like how it's, like what is the

2067
01:49:42,680 --> 01:49:45,439
Speaker 3: deal with like why are we always looking At manhattan From?

2068
01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:47,479
Speaker 3: Brooklyn or AM i wrong about? That MAYBE i?

2069
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:50,720
Speaker 2: Am, well, yeah definitely right. In we'd love to hear from.

2070
01:49:50,720 --> 01:49:54,000
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