00:00:08 Speaker 1: Well, I invited you here, thought I made myself perfectly clear. But you're a guest to my home. You gotta come to me empty, and I said, no guests, your presences presents in and I already had too much stuff. So how do you dare to surbey me? 00:00:49 Speaker 2: Welcome to I said, no gifts. I'm Bridger Wineger. We're in the backyard. Temperature is right. Ah. I'm finishing up the trial of my trial contact lenses. I've decided on the brand I'll be choosing. My optometrist will be getting an exciting phone call later today. Blackstone Optometry be prepared. I know what I want and that's what I'll You know, it's nice to know what contact I'll be wearing in twenty twenty four. But let's get into the podcast. Let's just get into it. I love today's guests. He's truly wonderful. It's John Ross Bowie. John, Hello, welcome Dison. No gifts. 00:01:33 Speaker 3: It's delightful to be here at you're enjoying your contacts. 00:01:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, it took me longer than necessary. They give me. I think they give you like a week of each brand. 00:01:42 Speaker 4: It's not a one size fits all situation. 00:01:44 Speaker 2: It's weirdly not. I've been wearing contacts for a long time, and first of all, every year they improve, which is kind of alarming. 00:01:52 Speaker 3: How long have you been wearing corrective lenses since? I think eighth grade, so fifth grade for me. Wow, And I'm same way. I am dazzled by how much optometry has improved in the forty sem odd years that I have been using corrective lenses. 00:02:09 Speaker 2: I have LASIK, now, okay, interesting, but. 00:02:12 Speaker 3: Even that is telling because when I was in high school, my stigmatism was such that the doctors were like, there's nothing but glasses and that's it. Enormously thick lenses and that's your life, and get used to it. And then they're like, well, we still can't do contacts, but we have this new thing called optathin which we'll shrink the lenses, make them a little thinner, just as strong, and they won't distort your eyes. 00:02:34 Speaker 4: Quite as much. It's fantastic. 00:02:36 Speaker 3: And then they're like, hey, guess what the science is here now where you can get contacts, but lasik won't fix what you have. 00:02:43 Speaker 4: And I was like, all right, I'll take contacts. 00:02:45 Speaker 3: Then I did those for a few years, and then I tore my contacts on a set. One time, I was shooting an episode of Monk Okay, and we're just gonna get right into. 00:02:56 Speaker 2: This well and let's just put it out there. Monk is famously dangerous contact where. 00:03:01 Speaker 3: Well, here's why on this particular episode. That's an absolute truest. 00:03:04 Speaker 2: Is that true? 00:03:06 Speaker 3: I tear my my contacts, I check my bag. I do not have spars with me. And I said, you know what, it's an easy day. I will just kind of fumble my way through this one. It's all shapes and colors, but you know I can I can act without less. And they come the eighty comes up to me. He goes, hey, John, we're running ahead. Actually, so we're gonna shoot the car scene tonight. This is a true story. And I was like, so when you say the car scene, they're like, you're the one where you're driving the car and and you go through the light and we're gonna obviously shut off traffic and everything. 00:03:39 Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, please please do that. 00:03:40 Speaker 3: I don't let on at all what I'm going through, Like it has been established that my character does not wear glasses. 00:03:45 Speaker 4: I cannot wear glasses. 00:03:47 Speaker 3: We've already shot like two or three days, I cannot suddenly have glasses. So they put me in this beautiful like two minutes off the lot BMW, the newest car I've ever sat and nicest and newest car I've ever sat in. I can't see a fucking thing. I have a woman next to me, a very sweet young actress, and all I have to do really is drive about it. They're going to film an exterior. They have to get a picture of me, like a a when you run a red light and the camera catches yeh oh. They have to get a picture of me doing that, okay, in order to prove that. 00:04:22 Speaker 4: I'm the killer at the end of the episode spoiler. 00:04:24 Speaker 3: Alert, the show has ruined for this one particular episode from fifteen years ago gone. 00:04:30 Speaker 2: It's devast I can't watch any of it now. 00:04:32 Speaker 3: So I'm like, okay, and I get into the car, and I keep my glasses in my lap, and it starts to rain. It starts to rain, and it's pouring rain, and already I can't see a fucking thing. And because my vision was like twenty two hundred in my good eye, okay, really really bad bad eyesight, and I can't be a fucking thing anywhere, And and so when the yell, actually I take off my glasses, dropping my lap drive. The actress begins to catch on all over the road, all over the road, kind of just trying to go relatively straight. 00:05:07 Speaker 4: Everything looks like a Monette paint. 00:05:08 Speaker 2: Baby's in the backseat screaming. 00:05:10 Speaker 3: And we I lived through that and then blew it out and treated myself to Lasik. 00:05:17 Speaker 2: How could they not fake that? That feels like the easiest possible thing to fake, you would. 00:05:21 Speaker 3: Think, But I know, I don't know how they couldn't have just I mean, you see, g I just wasn't where it is right now, I guess. 00:05:28 Speaker 2: But yeah, so I loved a practical effect. 00:05:31 Speaker 3: They loved a practical effect famously, But yeah, I'm always dazzled by And there were years there where they said, oh, yeah, lasay won't work for you. 00:05:39 Speaker 4: This is the technology is not there yet. 00:05:40 Speaker 2: And then I didn't realize. And that's the scary thing to me about lasik is like, it's still not a perfected form. They it's still evolving. 00:05:49 Speaker 3: It's I mean, it's it's not that it isn't perfected. It's just that it can't fix everything it fixes. It fixes quite well, right, but you remember those early like you heard like horror stories early on of course, early lasic of like people losing their depth perception, people's eyes filling with blood, all sorts of crazy shit that would happen just because somebody had a laser cut open their lens, which you know, no big right, And so I was like, well, I'm not going anywhere near that until they fucking iron out the bugs. 00:06:16 Speaker 4: That is clearly still in beta. 00:06:17 Speaker 3: My mother in law had LASIK in like nineteen ninety eight. Oh, early adopt early adopter, and I swear to god, she bumps into shit all the time. 00:06:27 Speaker 4: My hand to god. She lives in a two D world. She lives in the. 00:06:31 Speaker 2: Two empty sockets in Nurse Scott. 00:06:33 Speaker 3: And she just she's getting around by echolocation or something. I don't know what the fuck she's doing. 00:06:39 Speaker 2: I yeah, I'm still and I've talked about this recently. I'm still nervous about LASIK. 00:06:45 Speaker 3: They give you xamax for a reason, of course, Yeah, two. 00:06:49 Speaker 2: Things that you could lose and then never get back. 00:06:53 Speaker 4: Very scary to me. Yeah, uh huh. 00:06:54 Speaker 2: But I mean there is a temptation, but then I you know, the contexts get better and better. Yeah, they do really on my precision ones. I'll be treating myself to those this year. Yes, muscles next, thank you so much. Next year, who knows what'll happen. Yeah, but I mean contact. I have a similar story where I was working in Century City late one night, probably till like eleven thirty sad, a. 00:07:16 Speaker 4: Little bit like the Monster mash. 00:07:19 Speaker 3: I was working in the Century City late one night. Sorry, just it scanned perfectly, Go ahead, we. 00:07:25 Speaker 2: Did the fox lot. Contacts dried out to the point that I had to take them out, had no extras. I was living in Lasfelus at the time, which is not close interested drive. The only thing I had was prescription sunglasses. 00:07:41 Speaker 3: And you get I mean, you can get pulled over for a probable cause. Then if you're course, you're driving along Santa Monico Boulevard with prescription sunglasses, I'd pull you over, I'd check you trump, I. 00:07:50 Speaker 2: Would put me in prison. I drove across the entire city and prescription sunglasses nearly impossible to say. So it's things like that where you're like, I wish, I just I can't I just have my brother's eyes? Yeah, yeah, why can I have? I think every one of my siblings has decent vision, but made probably because I was. I was an early Internet user and was just staring at a monitor, probably starting in fourth grade. Oh wow, devastating that. Oh yeah, okay, so we didn't. 00:08:17 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm I'm I'm apparently significantly older than you and I we didn't. I didn't have Internet until I was safely in the workforce by a couple of years, like I had my first I got my I would have been twenty three or twenty four when I got my first email address, So you know, that was so you know, my preferdal quartex had developed by this point. 00:08:36 Speaker 4: You know, I was, I was. You know, it didn't. 00:08:38 Speaker 3: It didn't make my eyes markedly worse, right, right, granted I grew up reading my candlelight. 00:08:44 Speaker 2: What was your first email address? 00:08:46 Speaker 4: Oh god, I hate that you asked me that. 00:08:49 Speaker 3: I mean, they're all mortifying, yeah, but this one's extra mortifying because I was temping at. 00:08:56 Speaker 2: At Scholastic okay. 00:08:59 Speaker 3: Scolish income any right, Yeah, I think I think yeah, for the most private great yeah moves, no, no, no, there there And it was a lovely place to work, let it be said. I temped all over New York City in my twenties before I was like, I should really try to act because I'm really depressed all the time. And of all the places I worked, Scholastic was by far my favorite. I made the most lasting friendships there. 00:09:23 Speaker 2: Oh this is lovely. 00:09:24 Speaker 4: It was actually really nice. 00:09:26 Speaker 3: And we were moving, we were going to the brand new Scholastic network and I was like, oh, what is that. It's like, Oh, it's going to be our page on the Internet. I was like, ohy, the Internet. It's obviously I've heard of the Internet. This is nineteen ninety four, right, and I am a year and a half out of college, and I am I've already lied to them and told them I know microsoftic cell. So this is just one more. 00:09:50 Speaker 2: Small nice Literally everyone that's ever applied for. 00:09:53 Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone claims to know microsoftic cell. So like also lying that I understand the Internet is a small stat at this point, right. But they're like, so you're gonna have to get an email address and like great, fine, and like yeah, but it doesn't you know, whatever, it can be whatever you want. Have Rob the office manager, Uh do it to go over to Rob, who's Rob Qudry? 00:10:12 Speaker 4: Oh of course, Rob Office manager. And this is where we. 00:10:16 Speaker 3: Addressed like, Hi, I'm John, I'm a I'm a I'm the new temp. I'm Rob, I'm the office manager. What do you want? 00:10:22 Speaker 4: I was like, I want something funny. 00:10:23 Speaker 3: I'm like, great, your hate six six six at aol dot com. I'm like, we work at Scholastic though, right, like this is like Lissus Clifford and the Little Spin the Magic Cool Bus instead of because yeah, but you're a temp, so it really doesn't matter. Your hate six sixty six at aol dot com. 00:10:38 Speaker 4: So that is my first email address. I'm so glad you asked. 00:10:41 Speaker 2: How did you not hold on to that? I don't. 00:10:43 Speaker 4: I eventually was just like come on. 00:10:46 Speaker 3: And then they kind of they didn't promote me because I was a temp, but I was given just a little more responsibility and they gave me. They gave me Bowie j R. But then everyone was like, oh, you did Bowie's son. I'm like, fuck right, because it looks like bow or of course, but those are my sort of my initials anyway, Bowie Junior. 00:11:05 Speaker 4: Yeah, so what was yours? 00:11:09 Speaker 2: I feel like my first was roseannebar at hotmail dot com. I think I was in like seventh or eighth grade, and I thought that. 00:11:18 Speaker 3: God, that's funny. God damn, that's funny to be twelve and be like, I understand the irony in this, and I understand why this is. 00:11:28 Speaker 4: So that's magnificent. 00:11:31 Speaker 3: I you know what recently, I I recently quit video games because I was getting kind of addicted. 00:11:37 Speaker 2: Actually, well that eventually we'll put a pin in that. 00:11:39 Speaker 3: All right, But I this is this is ridiculous and true. I was on PlayStation I was a PS five guy, and I joined the PlayStation Network sure, and I was like, this is humiliating. I am up into my forties and I am I am playing online. 00:11:57 Speaker 2: Picked the user name hate six x six. 00:12:00 Speaker 4: I did not. 00:12:00 Speaker 3: I picked something that was a that I knew wouldn't be taken and that would be mine and mine alone, and would also make it clear that while I am on the PSN, I am not of the PSN. 00:12:12 Speaker 2: Right. 00:12:12 Speaker 4: I was Joan Didion. 00:12:14 Speaker 3: Nobody had, nobody else had Joan Didion. I didn't have to do like Joan Didyon one, Joan Diddy in sixty nine, Joan Didy in four twenty. 00:12:22 Speaker 4: Jo was available. Joan Didion was available. 00:12:26 Speaker 3: And so if you if you handed Joan Diddyon her ass in call of duty at one evening. 00:12:31 Speaker 4: Oh my, that was me. That's one son. 00:12:36 Speaker 3: A twelve year old kid in the Midwest is like, I think I really just fucked up the lady who wrote the Year of Magical thinking. 00:12:43 Speaker 2: Wow, that's such a perfect pick for the PlayStation network. I think so too. 00:12:47 Speaker 3: And I and I say this in deference to your magnificent choice of rose Are at Hotmail? 00:12:53 Speaker 2: Did you ever get anybody being like hey joanah know, hey. 00:12:56 Speaker 3: I never did oddly enough neither hate nor loved with Roseanne. 00:13:01 Speaker 2: I think there was like a hot mail messenger or whatever that I would be on on occasion and people. 00:13:04 Speaker 4: Would get on I am kind of yeah, it. 00:13:06 Speaker 2: Was like their version, and on occasion people would get on who hated Roseanne and attack me? 00:13:12 Speaker 3: Oh sure, which I loved. Yeah, of course, by all means were you were. I'm trying to I'm trying to do the time thing here. This would have been not too terribly long after that national anthem. 00:13:22 Speaker 2: Oh that was a huge thing for me. You loved that audio. 00:13:27 Speaker 3: If you've told the story before on this podcast, I apologize, Oh really, Oh so, how did that go down? 00:13:33 Speaker 4: I mean, did that did that? Did you taste some of that blowback? No? 00:13:36 Speaker 2: I probably did. I feel like this was what year did that happen? I feel like that was probably mid nineties. Yeah, that sounds right, and I probably got this. Yeah, this is probably mid to late nineties. Okay, so I think it was probably a little residual. I mean like people had forgotten that at that point, right, But I mean that audio, what's amazing. What a wild thing to have done. 00:13:57 Speaker 3: The video's wild too, because she scratches her crotch and everything, and yeah, yeah, how. 00:14:04 Speaker 2: Did that all? Like what did anybody expect to happen there? 00:14:08 Speaker 1: Yeah? 00:14:08 Speaker 4: Know, it was a bad idea out of the gate. It was a really bad idea out of the gate. 00:14:12 Speaker 3: I screeching like it's funny if like, for if she does like a roller derby match here in LA, but if you're doing a Major League baseball game, people take that shit really seriously and you shouldn't just. 00:14:26 Speaker 2: Know it's interesting because her doing that, like the audience that she's kind of gathered MAGA wise now would not appard. 00:14:35 Speaker 3: You know, that's the damnedest thing, you know, And I understand the politics make strange bedfellows. But I there is a part of me that is shocked at how quickly she was forgiven as soon as she got on the Trump train. Right, they were just able to look right past that. It was people and because there's an there's an ahistorical quality to the MAGA crowd where they simply don't understand the precedents that these people have sat anyway. 00:14:57 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean if we could, I mean we could go for a how much time without forget all those people can be uh yeah, interesting, somebody needs to do a remix of that. I feel like that could be a hit. 00:15:10 Speaker 4: Oh I'm surprised they you know, somebody. 00:15:12 Speaker 2: I'm the person who maybe this is my DJ moment. 00:15:14 Speaker 4: I think this is it. I think this is it. 00:15:16 Speaker 2: Every about once a year, when I've had enough caffeine and I'm driving in the car. I think I could be a producer. I could be a DJ producer, like an electronic music producer. Absolutely no music knowledge, but Okay, I think I could do this. Okay, it's time I start. 00:15:31 Speaker 4: Yeah. By all means, I support you in that. 00:15:34 Speaker 2: You're kind of a musician, right you a kind of. 00:15:36 Speaker 4: Exactly exactly, I'm kind of a musician. 00:15:38 Speaker 3: No no, but I occasionally play bass in a punk rock band, which makes it makes me kind of a musician. 00:15:44 Speaker 2: I've been thinking about the bass in particular, picking up the bass. 00:15:48 Speaker 3: Oh you should, absolutely, it's it's the easiest way into a band. 00:15:52 Speaker 2: It kind of is, right, I mean, because I. 00:15:53 Speaker 3: Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Don't let anyone get all like, oh, well, you know Jocko Pastorius and these incredible you know, Getty Lee from Rush. 00:16:02 Speaker 4: No no no, no, no, no, no, no no no. 00:16:04 Speaker 3: You learn a few notes, you listen to some early Pixies records, you play along with them because the bass is nice, and hide in the mix. Kim Deal. Absolutely, hero of mine. That's how I learned to play. And you'll be in a band inside of six months. 00:16:16 Speaker 2: That's all I want in the world. 00:16:17 Speaker 4: Great, then do it? 00:16:18 Speaker 2: I know, like basic keys on the piano. I feel like I just transferred that all over. 00:16:23 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:16:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're ahead of the game. Oh my god, what do you come out? Let's I mean you're like a ringer at this point. You're a savant. 00:16:29 Speaker 2: I mean McCartney is, let's be honest, a decent basis. 00:16:32 Speaker 3: He's only a decent bassist. That is the fun thing about the Beatles. I was watching did you watch Get Back? Of course yeah, and I it was fascinating on a couple of fronts. But it's it's a reminder that their strength was was songwriting, not virtuosity. 00:16:48 Speaker 2: Right, And that's what I love. 00:16:49 Speaker 3: Maybe George, Maybe George is like the real has the real chops, right, But the rest of them are just have really good melodic ideas and they will put these chords together well, but they are none of them. Like there was no Clapton in the Beatles, Thank god. That would have ruined the whole ruined the whole vibe. Whenever somebody criticizes the Ringo, I'm like, that's. 00:17:11 Speaker 2: All they needed, all they needed. Those are the drum beats they needed. 00:17:14 Speaker 3: I read this massive eight hundred page book after I watched that that I think it's just called The Beatles by a guy named Bob's Spits. I recommend it all the time because it's really like the Beatles book you need to do. It's so comprehensive that Ringo doesn't even show up, so like page three hundred. 00:17:32 Speaker 4: And fifty, oh wow, I'm not kidding. 00:17:34 Speaker 2: That has to burn. 00:17:35 Speaker 3: So but no, it works out because you hear what were wrong with Pete Best, and Bess was actually too good. He was like a Swiss watch back there. They were having trouble keeping up. But he also had no personality. There was no like fun fills or anything. And plus he was terribly good looking. People don't realize that about Pete Best, that there was a little bit of jealousy from the relatively mid Lenin right, right, that Pete Best was back there getting all. 00:18:04 Speaker 2: The late everybody's looking past him. Yeah, I feel like a lot of drummers are the best looking member of the band. Is that true? 00:18:11 Speaker 3: Let's see Taylor Hawkins was very good looking. Dave Grohl when he was a drummer, young Dave Grover. 00:18:17 Speaker 2: I'm better looking than Kurt Cobain. 00:18:20 Speaker 4: I feel like Roll, I mean groll has. 00:18:24 Speaker 3: I think it could be argued obviously goddress Kurt Cobain, but probably a more approachable personality is certainly. 00:18:31 Speaker 2: Certainly, Yes, he's kind of America's uncle. 00:18:34 Speaker 3: At this guy, at this point, he's he's America's kind of Yeah, that's a really good way to describe it. 00:18:40 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that adds to some of the charm. 00:18:42 Speaker 4: Absolutely and decent bone structure too. 00:18:45 Speaker 2: Oh, excellent bone structure, great teeth. 00:18:49 Speaker 3: Roger Taylor from Duran, Duran, that's a good looking guy. I can't picture Roger tail. 00:18:53 Speaker 4: Rodger Taylor is a good looking guy. 00:18:54 Speaker 3: He's no John Taylor the bassist, but he's a good looking guy, handsome guy. I don't think he's in the band anymore. I'm obviously going to give this a great deal of thought. 00:19:01 Speaker 2: Yeah, mind here, And I'm and now that I've said that, I'm like, what drummer did I think was so good looking? And I can't really picture any of my favorite drummers being that great looking. 00:19:16 Speaker 4: Keith Moon. 00:19:17 Speaker 2: Maybe it's just the like the physicality of it that's kind of sex on bottom. 00:19:23 Speaker 3: Right, I'm not a big Zeppelin guy, but I'm just going through like famous drummers, right, the late Neil Pert. 00:19:29 Speaker 4: Actually, everyone I've just mentioned was dead. 00:19:32 Speaker 2: It is not a good looking name, nos, just not the name of a good looking man. 00:19:35 Speaker 4: It is Neil Pert. 00:19:36 Speaker 3: Is amazing that he was a rock star because Neil Pert could very much easily be like middle management in the accounting department. 00:19:42 Speaker 2: Right, that's the one who works at radio shack or something. 00:19:44 Speaker 3: Oh, you want to talk to Neil and accounts payable, He's at hot mail. 00:19:53 Speaker 2: I wanted, I do want to circle back to video games and you ending your addiction. 00:19:57 Speaker 4: What happened? 00:19:58 Speaker 2: Oh? 00:19:58 Speaker 3: Well, when the pandemic started, I found myself playing more. 00:20:05 Speaker 4: But I had to play. 00:20:06 Speaker 3: I didn't want to play while my kids were in school because that struck me. 00:20:09 Speaker 4: It's just about the most dick movie you could possibly do as a father. 00:20:12 Speaker 3: And also I was on duty a lot, helping them out with stuff and trying to pick up the slack that their teachers were dealing with. I have a long dormant teaching certification that I don't use. I did one year teaching high school and it doesn't it. I don't know if it expires or it probably I'd probably have to take some sort of a certification test or something. Either way, I have a great deal of sympathy for people who teach, and particularly during the pandemic. So I got up front and center and my wife. We were super fortunate. My wife got an online writing job was in a writer's room for a show that had halted production, so we were super lucky that she had steady work starting in like April of twenty twenty during I mean absolute beyond like a lottery ticket, right. So that left me sort of, you know, playing catch up with the kids and helping them, you know. And they were at a level, thank god, they were at a level where like they were both in their last year of math. 00:21:12 Speaker 4: I could understand, you know. 00:21:14 Speaker 3: They were both I was it would have been fourth and seventh grade, I think, okay, no, fifth and. 00:21:21 Speaker 2: Eighth Oh that's better than may I yeah, fifth. 00:21:23 Speaker 3: And eighth and eighth grade was push. But she wasn't in like honors math or anything. So I was able to help out a little bit. And my son needed a great deal of help because he was at a charter school and they were kind of you know, trying to figure some stuff out, and they were slower to get up and running online anyway. So I would do that during the day, and that night I would stay up and I would do these open world video games because you know, you couldn't. 00:21:49 Speaker 2: Go anyway to get out. 00:21:50 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. So I was playing. 00:21:52 Speaker 3: But I finished more video games in the first two years of the pandemic than I had ever played beforehand. Oh my, but I did Red Dead, Redemption two. Sure, which is magnificent. I mean, it's such a beautiful game. 00:22:05 Speaker 4: Do you play it? 00:22:06 Speaker 2: I that for me? You're the cowboys too slow? He moves too slow? 00:22:10 Speaker 4: Fair enough? 00:22:11 Speaker 3: No, you know that's I sort of dug that about it. I like, people love that leisurely quality of a lot of it. 00:22:18 Speaker 4: But I hear you. 00:22:19 Speaker 2: I need someone nimble who can climb a wall. 00:22:21 Speaker 4: Did you do Ghostusushima? 00:22:23 Speaker 2: I've played a lot of that. I'll never finish it, but that's more my speech. Okay, it feels like, uh, beyond my physicality. Okay, okay, you know it's like when i'm when the cowboys slower than I am, there's a problem. 00:22:37 Speaker 4: I see, what's your jam? What do you? What do you enjoy? 00:22:39 Speaker 2: I just finished the new Zelda game here. It's fantastic, incredible. Yeah, son, really dug that. Anything that's kind of a truly escapist, it's like bright, happy, colorful. That sort of thing works for me. When it gets into misery, oh that it's not really my thing anymore. 00:22:57 Speaker 3: Do you want to spoiler for Red Dead Redemption two? Of course he dies of tuberculosis. Of course he fucking die. He doesn't die in an unwinnable gunfight. He dies slowly of tuberculosis. 00:23:09 Speaker 4: That happens. 00:23:10 Speaker 3: There's more like moral quandary at the end, where it's a real binary like you either give the money to this good guy or you die holding onto it or something, and that's the end of the game, more or less. And so yeah, you would have been but oh my god, the. 00:23:24 Speaker 2: Landscape it's beautiful. It's beautiful. 00:23:26 Speaker 3: And when you ever get caught in the rain and like the lightning reflects in the puddles, it's so cool, gorgeous. 00:23:31 Speaker 2: They just need to drop like an Olympic runner in that world. 00:23:35 Speaker 4: Faster horses. No one needs a faster horse. 00:23:37 Speaker 2: Give me a motorcycle, give me something fun to do. 00:23:40 Speaker 4: Sure, sure, sure understood. 00:23:41 Speaker 2: But I understand that you're just needing to It's such a nice way to get Like I played so much Selda during the pandemic. 00:23:46 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and eventually, but eventually got to a point where like my kids were back in actual physical school and I was starting. 00:23:53 Speaker 4: To play during the day. 00:23:54 Speaker 3: Okay, Now my wife would comb home and I'd be like, listen, Sushim is not going to liberate itself, lady, and it would. It's just not a good look anymore, and I had to wrap it up. 00:24:03 Speaker 2: It was there, ever, an audience watching was the family watching. 00:24:06 Speaker 3: You play occasionally in that also didn't feel great. That also didn't feel really good at all. Dark and you can and in so many ways, like Ghost of Sushimo is extra nefarious because it has this way of presenting itself as the thinking man's video game. Like you can do a mode on that where it's called Kurosawa mode familiar. Yeah, right, so it goes black and white and subtitled for your film, bros. And it looks Yeah, so you can be like film Twitter's favorite video game for a moment, and it looks like sort of distressed film from the nineteen fifties. So I played it that way a little bit just to sort of pretend that I was smarter than I actually am. Yeah, so it was really, I mean, it's the same, it's the same principle of me using the PSN name Joan Diddy and it's like, no, you're still playing a video game, dude. You're still a middle aged man playing a video game. Don't yeah, like part it up any way you want. 00:25:01 Speaker 2: But I do feel like that's a new problem within video games of them taking themselves so seriously where it feels like a lot of games like God of War became this very serious thing. And I said to a friend, it feels like Howard Stern hosting Fresh Air or something like, we still know what this is, we know exactly what this is. It's still a video game. God bless. Yeah, yeah, it's kind of ridiculous. 00:25:26 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, No, you don't necessarily need the woman who wrote the shock doctrine to flash you, which is what I imagine would happen if Howard Stern hosted Fresh Air. 00:25:36 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look, there's something more important we need to talk about. Yeah, there's something we need to get into here. I was happy to have you here today. I was so excited. 00:25:44 Speaker 4: No, I was so pleased to be here. I was so enthusiastic. 00:25:47 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you got here right on time, I would say early. I pulled up to my house, you were already here. 00:25:51 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:25:52 Speaker 2: I pull up, We walk up the driveway. You use my neighbor's green bin, which you know, throwing away your banana peel. I'll probably have to go back and dig it out later. 00:26:02 Speaker 3: I'm sorry about that. I just really well, I didn't want to pollute your green bin relationship with my neighbor. I apologize. I didn't really didn't want to leave it in my car. You really an appeal in a hot car. 00:26:13 Speaker 2: I encourage you to do that. 00:26:15 Speaker 3: It really is not going to all the smell will. I feel like there's a larger issue you want to get to. 00:26:20 Speaker 2: Well, that was a red flag. Let's just say that was early red flag. We get into the backyard and you spring on me what is obviously a gift. Yeah, the podcast is called I said no gifts. 00:26:33 Speaker 4: That's what it's called. 00:26:35 Speaker 2: Okay, so now we're already getting into whatever. Maybe this was a mistake, Okay, I want I believe. 00:26:40 Speaker 3: There's so well so far, and I hate to think that I've messed things up. 00:26:45 Speaker 2: Right, you love teachers, You're you know, you're improving your life by quitting video games and now but we're backsliding. 00:26:51 Speaker 3: Well, but I feel like there's a there's a rapport going on here, and I'd hate to see us lose that so early on. 00:26:57 Speaker 2: Right for this to deteriorate, it's just you know, seven hundred miles an hour. 00:27:02 Speaker 3: So that Amy Man theme song that that has lyrics. 00:27:06 Speaker 2: It does Oh you got the instrumental I did. Okay, so we blame this on is supposed to send out the full song. 00:27:13 Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, I didn't realize. Okay, interesting list has removed the lyrics. Oh well, that's a that's weird. I don't need a karaoke version of something. I don't know that's it. 00:27:22 Speaker 2: But you know, Carrie got up in front of a crowd with the karaoke song you've never heard. It's a learning moment for everybody, thinks so on Lisa's trying to start their business karaoke. You don't know which. 00:27:33 Speaker 3: I said, karaoke believes it the term. 00:27:38 Speaker 2: Okay, well, I mean, I guess we should just deal with this. However, we should show I open it here on the podcast. 00:27:43 Speaker 3: I think it's opening here on the podcast. It's a real impulse buy. I didn't want to show up empty handed. And I was in a gift shop on Hollywood Boulevard Interests and picked this up and just thought, I actually kind of like the way it looks. 00:28:20 Speaker 4: But here it was a present for you. 00:28:23 Speaker 2: We've got the gift bag opening. We're dipping in. 00:28:30 Speaker 3: So I don't want to make things more confusing than they have to be, but I got you do you say it. 00:28:35 Speaker 2: Or should say well, it is a T shirt. It is a T shirt, you want to say? Should I say well? 00:28:40 Speaker 4: I want to say it because I feel like you're going. 00:28:42 Speaker 3: To have an issue with it. But it's a cool logo, right, It's a David Bowie T shirt. 00:28:48 Speaker 2: Yes. 00:28:48 Speaker 3: And I was so struck by the fact that you pronounced my name properly. I pronounced it Bowie and you did it, I know. And you did it right out of the gate. Not cool of me to leave the price tag on it. 00:29:00 Speaker 2: Oh, I think that's the move to make Okayne ninety nine. Let's say it. 00:29:04 Speaker 3: Okay, it was a twenty dollars T shirt. Decent, you know fairly. You know that's good, good sturdy cod It's not a shrink. 00:29:10 Speaker 2: In the wash cotton. 00:29:11 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good thick cotton burl lap. Yeah. And I thought there was something amusing about John Bowie bringing in David Bowie's shirt. And I don't know if I'm right about that, but I also feel like, who doesn't like Bowie? 00:29:25 Speaker 2: Everybody loves stay right Zoe, you know. 00:29:27 Speaker 3: And I don't know if you ever saw him live or or I never did personally, but I it's a cool logo. It's like it's that fax distressed thing going on again. 00:29:37 Speaker 2: A clearly fake distress. 00:29:40 Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's a brand new shirt and I'm sure absolutely every single one of this model has the exact same discolorations. 00:29:47 Speaker 2: It even has a copyright twenty thirteen on it, which was probably a bad move when you're selling a distressed T shirt. 00:29:52 Speaker 3: Because it's it's supposed to look like you bought it at a show in like nineteventy eight, on like the Lodger tour, on like one of those one of those albums they'd and remember making because he was on coke and Berlin. But but yeah, yeah, so I got you a David Bowie shirt. 00:30:06 Speaker 2: And I don't know that I've ever if you if this didn't say Bowie on it, I've never seen this photo of Bowie before. I there's no way I could tell you that was David Bowie. Oh really absolutely unrecognizable to me. 00:30:18 Speaker 3: Oh I feel like I yeah, it's hards. You can kind of make out his eyes, you can kind of make out his eyes on a list. He wouldn't and hon only so this is her genre. She's got a Roxy music shirt. 00:30:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a David Bowie tattoo. 00:30:32 Speaker 5: I've never seen that picture. 00:30:34 Speaker 2: Hatoo. 00:30:35 Speaker 4: It's this one. 00:30:36 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this one right here. 00:30:37 Speaker 5: It's in his handwriting from one of his exhibitions and that was traveling around Europe in the US as though nothing could fall. 00:30:44 Speaker 2: Oh that's redful. Yeah, but never seen it before me. Interesting, Yeah, this is a for all we know, this is just another guy. 00:30:51 Speaker 4: It might just be another guy with a great jaw line. 00:30:54 Speaker 2: Right with these giant sunglasses on. When I say Bowie, it feels like, uh, something's going wrong in my brain. 00:31:03 Speaker 3: No, I know, and where everyone feels that way around me. I make everyone feel like they're having the tiny, most insignificant stroke. That's the teensiest little stroke, because they all and you know what was amazing is that you kind of I mean, we can go back to the tape and listen to it, but you you just rattled it off. Ninety percent of the time when I meet someone who's interviewing me, it's John Ross Bowie, and you hear that moment of inhale and effort, are gonna do it and don't fuck this up Bowie, and it's uh and and you rattled it off with an ease. 00:31:34 Speaker 2: I hope this thinking back, who knows how it actually sounds, but now hopefully the listener's not going back and. 00:31:41 Speaker 4: You did did did? Patrick? 00:31:43 Speaker 2: Uh? 00:31:44 Speaker 3: Uh? 00:31:44 Speaker 2: No? I do my research. 00:31:45 Speaker 4: You do your homework, okay, you know. 00:31:47 Speaker 2: And I feel like I've probably screwed up people's last names on this podcast. Before the last name, I mean with as someone with a horrible to pronounce last name. It's just my entire experience of people saying vinegar rather than win or winegar whatever. For h I tried to be. 00:32:01 Speaker 3: I actually was talking to my wife this morning and I would have said Winneger and it's wineger, right, yeah, I. 00:32:09 Speaker 2: Mean, let's be honest. One of my agents still says Winneger, and I don't know and how to correct him. There's just the hope that eventually he'll listen to the podcast willing. Maybe this is the. 00:32:20 Speaker 3: God Willing, this is the one where he and that's I'm assuming that's just like straight up English aristocracy. That name. 00:32:28 Speaker 2: The name is Dutch. 00:32:30 Speaker 4: Oh, I believe Dutch. 00:32:32 Speaker 2: I really should know by now. 00:32:33 Speaker 3: No, I forget it was northern and white. I just didn't go that far north. 00:32:37 Speaker 2: Much further north. Yeah, it's winegar, but a lot of people in my life still say Winneger and eventually get to a point where you're just like, I can't correct them, are same, that's just who they think. 00:32:48 Speaker 4: So here's an amazing thing. 00:32:49 Speaker 3: Within the past year, I found a, to my knowledge, the only extant interview clip of someone asking the thin white Duke how he pronounces his name? 00:33:02 Speaker 2: Oh? Wow? What year was this? 00:33:03 Speaker 3: This was pretty real, I would say within the probably he died in twenty sixteen, so probably within like ten or fifteen years of his death, okay. And he keeping in mind that it was not his given name, is he's David Jones. 00:33:17 Speaker 2: Oh that's right, because he didn't want to be Davy Jones like. 00:33:20 Speaker 3: The monkeys precisely. And he did not care. He absolutely did not care. 00:33:28 Speaker 4: So clessic. Yeah, he was just like, it's just you, hi, Javis, I don't care. 00:33:32 Speaker 3: It was very very chill about it, and it was it was it was eye opening for me. But it really it gets pronounced oddly enough. When I go to the UK, they say Bowie. Oh they do, yeah, especially if I'm it's a Scottish name and if I if I find myself in Scotland, they they are quick to be like, here you go, mister Balan. 00:33:53 Speaker 2: So him deciding Bowie was a really intentional choice, then I guess so. 00:33:57 Speaker 3: But then again, he doesn't really commit to it, you know, I don't. He seemed very egalitarian. I don't think he ever corrected anybody. 00:34:06 Speaker 2: And how often is he saying his whole name aloud? 00:34:08 Speaker 3: Yeah, it comes to a point where you no longer need to introduce yourself, I should imagine. 00:34:13 Speaker 2: Right, unless it's this image of from this. 00:34:15 Speaker 4: Tea shirt where you don't recognize me enough. 00:34:19 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, David Bowie is just obviously pure class, pure class, just pure class. Yeah, I need to I mean, maybe maybe I'm pure class, I'm not correcting correcting anybody, or maybe there's just a problem with me speaking up for myself. 00:34:32 Speaker 3: It's a fine line between being pedantic and self advocacy, isn't it all right? It's and I don't always find myself on the right end of that line. I do tend to like I never I certainly never get upset about it anymore. But if I feel like I'm going to be hanging with someone for a while, around the third time they fuck up my name and I frame it as a compliment. I go, hey, I think we're going to be friends. We're going to be Well, that's a good way. So it just heads up. It's not the end of the world. But I actually say bowie, And they apologize profusely, bend backwards to make sure they understand that it's no big deal and the most common mistake in the world. 00:35:06 Speaker 4: Don't sweat it. 00:35:07 Speaker 3: And you know, you can take it up with my father, but he's dead ha ha ha, you know. And and I do everything I can to make them feel okay about this very common thing. 00:35:16 Speaker 4: Right. But yeah, as I get older, I care less and less right. 00:35:20 Speaker 2: And I mean, people are weirdly sensitive about their names. Yeah, and it I mean I think everyone just needs to understand names are literally words, and people are constantly mispronouncing words. Yes, names are just bizarre words. How to pronounce any of these? Yeah, They're truly just sounds that have almost no meaning to anybody. 00:35:40 Speaker 4: No. 00:35:41 Speaker 2: No, So that's kind of my attitude about it at this point, which is like. 00:35:45 Speaker 3: Everyone's trying, everyone is doing their best, everyone is doing the What is the lesson of the last three years other than we're just we're just all just trying to keep our heads above water over. 00:35:57 Speaker 2: Here, we're all seconds from drowning, just. 00:36:01 Speaker 3: Barely chin above the surf at this moment, and just let us just let people live. 00:36:09 Speaker 2: So I assume you're a big David Bowife. 00:36:12 Speaker 3: I'm there are bigger certainly. But yeah, when I was a kid, I was like. 00:36:17 Speaker 4: Fuck this guy. Fuck this guy is making everything really complicated for me. 00:36:21 Speaker 3: And that's what I was really irritable about, correcting people and everything. But when I was in seventh grade, the Let's Dance record came out, and you know that's that's full of hits, that record, you know, I mean, I think under Pressure is on that record. 00:36:36 Speaker 4: Obviously, the title track Modern Love is on that. 00:36:38 Speaker 2: Record, much better than Modern Love come ever, literally everyone loves the song. 00:36:42 Speaker 3: Yeah show me when a girl is on that record, which is problematic but catching nonetheless. So yeah, I mean that that that fifteen year run from like seventy to eighty five is kind of impeccable. After that where it starts, well, well, you know what was kind of cool about him? 00:37:01 Speaker 4: Like I have friends who were ride or died. 00:37:03 Speaker 3: You know Steve Ag I know of okay, Steve Age, he's a rider or died, and he was like that. That last album that he put out like that came out like the week before he died, that had all this weird jazz on it, black Star, Blackstar. 00:37:15 Speaker 4: Or Lazarus one of them one of those. 00:37:17 Speaker 2: Last does it not have? Wait? 00:37:19 Speaker 4: Is it called Blackstar? And that on is Lazarus? Okay? 00:37:22 Speaker 2: Okay, so you're that Yeah. 00:37:25 Speaker 3: And he did some Drummond bassed stuff in the nineties that I wasn't down with, but I salute him for constantly reinventing him right, constantly trying Yeah, and I I I And it's one of those things where like I will not follow you down this road, but good for you for trying it. 00:37:39 Speaker 2: You know, we're not getting bored. Yeah, no, and you're ending bored. 00:37:43 Speaker 3: I thought he was a a an interesting and kind of compelling actor. Oh do you ever see his scene on extras. 00:37:51 Speaker 2: So the best, it's probably the funniest moment from that entire. 00:37:54 Speaker 3: Show, Sad Little Fat Man. Yeah, it's it's it's great. And and then those hit albums are hit albums, you know. I mean, you can't go wrong with Honkey Dory. Honkey Dory is all killer, no filler, just everything sea it's great start US is great. The aforementioned Lodger has a lot of deep cuts, but there's good stuff on there. Boys keep swinging DJ. Yeah, I would say I'm I'm a fan. 00:38:17 Speaker 4: Definitely. 00:38:18 Speaker 3: I never saw him live, which is a huge regret, but yeah, fascinating guy. 00:38:21 Speaker 2: Did you ever come close to seeing him live? 00:38:24 Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, I think there was a moment where I thought about going to see the Glass Spider Tour at Giant Stadium and was like, I have never successful. I've never had an easy time getting out to see a concert at Giant Stadium. Oh, Giant Stadium is there for Jersey. It is not there for New York. It is very much there to be like, Hi, New York, would you like to come? Oh you don't have a car. Oh that's right, you don't have a car. 00:38:50 Speaker 4: Fuck you. 00:38:51 Speaker 3: That's Giant Stadium, which is called something else now, I think, but or maybe it isn't. 00:38:55 Speaker 4: I don't know what. There's a little of some corporate must and there's. 00:38:59 Speaker 3: A smaller uh, there's a smaller arena next to it that has a that used to just be called the Meadowlands and is like, you know, the the Costco Arena or something. But so yeah, so I came close to seeing the Glass Spider tour. But then when he died, I suddenly got a little more serious about like, oh, we got to get out there and start catching these guys. 00:39:20 Speaker 4: But we got to catch these boomers. 00:39:22 Speaker 2: Before they all wrapped around forever. 00:39:24 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not, and I am, so I'm being a little more diligent about making sure that I catched the old timers. 00:39:32 Speaker 2: Now, who have you seen? 00:39:33 Speaker 4: Well? 00:39:33 Speaker 3: I made sure I saw Prince before he died, which was great. 00:39:36 Speaker 2: I almost saw Prince. I was promised saying Title had some sort of concert in Brooklyn. While it was there working. We went to the Title concert. Prince did not come. I was just dragged through a bunch of like de rate openers. Oh no, Prince didn't appear. That's devastating. 00:39:53 Speaker 3: He did a month long residency at the Forum about twelve thirteen years ago, okay, where where it was a crap shoot. Every ticket was twenty five bucks but you obviously didn't. 00:40:03 Speaker 4: Pick your seats. 00:40:04 Speaker 3: But it was in the round and it was him with an all female band. Oh and it was insane. It was incredible, and there were guests every night, and we had famous saxophonist Maceo Parker, who was not familiar. He led James Brown's band, Oh kind of jazz saxophone as of his own right. He came out and did a sax solo for Purple Rain. It was insane. Oh, some people got Stevie Wonder coming out and doing Superstition with Prince. It was a crazy run of shows. I'm trying to think who else I've seen Stevie Wonder at the Hollywood Bowl. We caught Dolly Parton at the Hollywood Bowl. I've just been trying to like make sure that I check all these guys off my list before. 00:40:45 Speaker 2: It's like you're sending them off to die. 00:40:47 Speaker 3: I wonder sometimes if all they're waiting for us, for me to finally catch them live, You've become kind of a grim reaper, you know, just me sitting I didn't see Elton John because I like him around for a little bit longer. 00:41:00 Speaker 2: But now he is. 00:41:01 Speaker 4: I don't need to sit there with a sigh. That Dodger Stadium. 00:41:06 Speaker 2: Is Elton John Dunne. 00:41:08 Speaker 3: He keeps saying he is, but this farewell tour is lasting. Fucking friend's a liar. The man's a liar. I saw a kiss Oh, I to go see Kiss that with him? Well, this was actually funny. Pardo was there too, You'll be shocked to learn. And I took my son and I was like, I'm gonna take my son, who was ten at the time, maybe nine, And I was like, this is so bad ass. I'm gonna take my son to see kiss. How cool is that? What a bad motherfucker dad, I am. I'm taking my son to see Kiss. Bridger, everyone had their kids. Absolutely everybody brought their kids to the Key of flor It was basically it was basically seeing the Wiggles. Because it's children's music, Bridger, don't kid yourself. 00:41:46 Speaker 4: It's children's music. 00:41:48 Speaker 3: Men are children, there's men wear costumes and makeup, and the blood isn't scary anymore. So it's just it's it's children's music. So many grand kids there were, so Jimmy brought his son. It's the least cool concert cool concert in America. I had a great time, Piro. They opened with Detroit Rock City. No, No, it's a great time. We left a little bit early because Walter got tie tie. 00:42:17 Speaker 2: We were not the only empty half the arena. 00:42:20 Speaker 3: Empties out because people are up past their bed times. Yeah, it was uh yeah, but I regret nothing. 00:42:27 Speaker 2: No, I imagine they put on a good show. 00:42:30 Speaker 4: It's I mean, it's musical theater. It's ridiculous. 00:42:32 Speaker 3: It's it's big and flashy, and there's costumes and the banter is the same no matter where you go. 00:42:38 Speaker 4: I'm sure you know, I'm. 00:42:39 Speaker 2: Sure it's a standard. 00:42:42 Speaker 3: It's it's the I mean, they kind of invented all thech of like are you ready to rock? Let's hear this side of the arena. I don't know, can this side do better? You know, we thought they knew how to rock in the last city we played, you know, and it's it's just and they. 00:42:57 Speaker 4: But they kind of that's kisses. Is it a cliche? 00:43:00 Speaker 3: If you invented it, you know, shick that you brought to arena rock, then it's hard to say, you know. 00:43:06 Speaker 2: I mean for you to do something else would feel phony. 00:43:09 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:43:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, I never forgets a bite When they say is this you can be louder? I'm saying no, I can't. I did I gave you what I had? 00:43:17 Speaker 4: What do you listen to? Right now? You get in your car? 00:43:19 Speaker 2: What am I listening to? What am I listening to? This is a huge question. So sure to take a deep breath before and answer the question. 00:43:27 Speaker 3: What speak freely? Because I listened to a bunch of stuff that people make fun of me for. So I don't know what your tastes are at all, but like, if you're worried that, like, oh I can't admit blank, then speak freely. 00:43:36 Speaker 2: This is what I'm listening to my uh Weirdly, I've become friends with a guy who was in a band I really liked, a garage band in the early tens called Harlem. He's now has a band called Lace Curtains. 00:43:45 Speaker 3: Oh, I saw Harlem on Matador? Yeah, yeah, I saw Harlem at the Matador twenty one. You're in Vegas whenever. That was ten, twelve years ago. 00:43:54 Speaker 2: They're unbelievable. 00:43:55 Speaker 4: They're a great band. 00:43:56 Speaker 2: They burned out pretty quickly, yeah did. They're a wild band. Yeah. Michael Komer was half of the band. He now has a band called Lace Curtains Halloween. 00:44:05 Speaker 4: I've heard of them, I've not heard. 00:44:06 Speaker 2: Them wonderful, And he had to show it his house Halloween thing the other night, and that's kind of reignited that for me. So I've been listening to him a lot recently. Okay, we'll do lace curtains. What are you listening to? 00:44:19 Speaker 3: That's a fine question, but I'm going to be perfectly honest, and I can't think it's a hard immediately. Yeah, but I mean I but the thing is that we can now document this stuff very clearly, and you know what, for better or worse, your phone will tell you, well, here's what you were just listening to. Don't try to lie to anybody, because see, my algorithm is all fucked up for myriad reasons. 00:44:41 Speaker 2: Oh well, you're a father. 00:44:42 Speaker 4: I'm a father. 00:44:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, but my kids are you know, they're now sixteen and almost fourteen, so they're pretty cool. Okay, and but okay, listening to the new Mountain Goats record. 00:44:54 Speaker 2: Oh I love the Mountain the Mountain Goats too. 00:44:56 Speaker 3: They're hard to keep up with because it's been so much every eight months show and it's dense. But this Jenni from Thebes is really it's a quality piece of work. But then right here they suggested the algorithm suggested take me home Tonight by Eddie Money, and I was like, I could listen to that right now. Shift my all means I'll listened to Eddie moneyes take me Home tonight right now with that Ronnie Spector vocal. 00:45:18 Speaker 4: Hell yeah, hell yeah. 00:45:20 Speaker 3: Then my son has gotten into radio Head because he's a Stone College freshman who's majoring in sosh because he's not sure what else to do, and so he's been listening to the Bens. 00:45:31 Speaker 2: Okay, that's a good starter. 00:45:32 Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's the right. 00:45:33 Speaker 3: I'm not a big Radiohead fan, but that's probably their most accessible record. 00:45:37 Speaker 2: I think that one an okay, computer like those people. Most people can get into this. 00:45:41 Speaker 3: Yeah, a radio Head record for people who don't much like radio right, yeah, because I mean, what am I gonna. 00:45:46 Speaker 4: I'm not gonna, you know, turn my nose a bit high and drive. 00:45:48 Speaker 3: That's love, of course, beautiful. Sure, sure, sure he's gotten me. My son's got me into this band called TV Girl. 00:45:54 Speaker 2: Oh wait, I'm familiar with TV Girl. It's kind of a new wavy kind. 00:45:58 Speaker 3: Of but also kind of like you might be thinking of TV I ge Girl does sort of a French lounge. 00:46:06 Speaker 2: Sixties things familiar, kind. 00:46:08 Speaker 3: Of sounds like cool cocktail hour, but they also use samples. It's a really interesting I don't know who got him, if he's anything like his old man. Some cute girl introduced him to to this, and that's what he's listening to because he knows where his bread is buttered. And oh and then everything else, you know, everything else is horror movie scores because I put together a horror movie podcast to hand out on a playlist for candy time. Yeah, sitting up front with the speaker and handing out candy with like, you know, the Halloween theme going behind me. So that's what's what's going on here. My friend is in a terrific old fashioned ska band called Hepcat. 00:46:50 Speaker 2: Oh that's a great ska band. 00:46:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're they're local. They're not like nineties scot. They sound like genuine like late sixties Jamaica Scott. 00:46:59 Speaker 2: That's more my speed of skull. Then you'd like them a lot of Capcat. 00:47:02 Speaker 3: My friend Alex did his era is one of their singers, and this stuff is great. They either do authentic covers from that era or stuff that sounds like it was written in that era and it's they're they're pretty delightful. So yeah, that's that's been what I've been uh. 00:47:18 Speaker 2: Nice to spectrum of music. 00:47:20 Speaker 3: Yeah, I get I like a lot of different I mean, I know everyone thinks they're super eclectic, but I I I everyone's like, oh, I listened to all times of stuff, listen to folk and folk rock. I'm like, okay, but I hear things I like in everything. I guess Parto is a great example. Actually, your your previous guest, Jimmy Pardo, he's great. He and I have seen Patty Lapone together, oh wow. But we've also seen Iron Maiden together, and because we we uh And when you get down to it, there's a lot of heavy metal that is essentially just show tunes. 00:47:52 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I mean the melodies are just that's why they're listenable. And then it's just hard music. 00:47:57 Speaker 3: And then they're just and you know, it's just it's the same amount of like self importance and grandiosity and you know, chest forward singing, and then there's distorted guitars. But you know, they're all everyone's taking themselves way too fucking seriously. 00:48:10 Speaker 2: I feel like the only difference is the level of homophobia in each category. 00:48:13 Speaker 3: That's exactly right, That's exactly right. Yeah yeah, no, I but I will I will say this. I do feel more comfortable in a Patty Lapona. I feel like these are my people. In a Patti lapone audience, I go to a Maiden concert. I go to a Maiden concert one time. I've seen them a couple of times. I'm in the line for the waiting room. It's a massive line for the men's room, of course, and the guy behind me looks at me and goes, ugh, oh, it's a huge line for the men's room. And I go, except when you're at the theater, except for literally any other except any other place in the world, like a monster truck round. 00:48:49 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:48:50 Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, except when you're at the theater, and just killed that conversation in the crib, just absolutely strangled it with his zubilical cord. 00:48:58 Speaker 4: He was done with me. I we I did not read that room at all, right, went. 00:49:06 Speaker 2: What does an Iron Maiden concert like? At this point? 00:49:09 Speaker 3: For those guys, they're up there, they're in their sixties. They sound great, and they have not to my ear, because a lot of the older guys have to lower their songs a register. Like Philly Jowels had to take his his songs down a key, or not a key, but a step so he can still hit the notes and make sense of it. They they sound great, their audiences meatheads. A lot of their audience is not particularly bright and and I don't know, And it's so weird because I think that like the guys in Maiden themselves, you know, they write songs about Winston Churchill, and they write songs about you know, English history and mythology and stuff. And you know, they have an eight minute song called the Flight of Icarus, which is about the flight of. 00:49:50 Speaker 2: About Yeah, it's not a metaphor. 00:49:52 Speaker 3: It's just about it's no more a metaphor than Icharus himself is, you know. 00:49:55 Speaker 4: And it's very straightforward. 00:49:57 Speaker 3: But they've got these meathead cores, tall boy fans. 00:50:01 Speaker 4: It's fascinating. Wow. Yeah, it's not my crop. But I have a good time. 00:50:05 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of course. I feel like anybody would have a good time at that show. I can't imagine it's boring. They're not dragging you through anything. 00:50:11 Speaker 3: Dull. 00:50:11 Speaker 4: I've already forgotten lace curtains. 00:50:13 Speaker 2: Lace curtains, lace, so good, okay, everybody should we love lace curtains. Well, did you do you have a favorite Ish band? I know that's a hard question. 00:50:21 Speaker 4: That's a really tough one. I mean, what. 00:50:24 Speaker 2: Band have you probably listened to the most? 00:50:29 Speaker 4: Well, there's a couple. 00:50:30 Speaker 3: I mean, if you go my whole life, it's it's probably it's probably the Ramones. They've been such a huge part of my life because they were my intro to punk rock. They were essentially a local band when I was in high school. Oh, I could see him. I could see him. 00:50:44 Speaker 4: Once a year. 00:50:45 Speaker 3: Wow, and that was kind of cool. I got to see them when Dedie was still on bass, and that was cool. They were They were, I mean ridiculous live. They were like thirty sons in an hour and then three encores. 00:50:58 Speaker 2: And I can't imagine much bent but between something just blowing through. 00:51:02 Speaker 3: One too before, go one more, one too before. It was really intense, but really fun. And it was also a wonderful thing because you know, they would play even though they were a local band. They would only play like the larger clubs. You could get up close. You could get up close at a Ramone show, and the pit was it was a pit, but it wasn't as gnarly as some of like the hardcore bands, where you could actually get injured. Like I could wear glasses and get up to the front of a Ramone show and be okay. 00:51:27 Speaker 2: That's a figure. 00:51:28 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:51:28 Speaker 3: It was perfect energy for us, and they just they just had like a sense of humor and an aggression, and they were an entree to so many other bands that also had a sense of humor. I think one of the reasons punk rock is is so important to me is is it's so funny, and I think people don't realize how funny it is. 00:51:48 Speaker 4: But there were. 00:51:49 Speaker 3: Just just the silly details in Ramone songs like I met her at the Burger king fell love, fell in love by the soda Machine. Oh oh, I love her so so great. I just yeah, they just they were they were my band. Now I want to sniff some glue. I've written about this before because it's such an important song for me. I love the now in that line, because they have a lot, they have a lot of I wanna songs, right, but they have Now I want to sniff some glue, Like this is this is an action item I have to get to today. It's like on a checklist, exactly like I went and I got some groceries, the laundry. Did laundry change that light bulb that's been flickering in the kitchen. Now I want to stiff So it just the that level of smart, stupid, I think, is what I'm trying to get at. It was was hugely influential for me in everything I do. And then I also loved because when I started acting, I just had like I started going out for auditions. I had like three improv classes under my belt. 00:52:48 Speaker 2: That's incredible. 00:52:49 Speaker 3: And I had some you know, I had you know, I had acted on a friend's student film, but like a friend had just been like, here, play this part. 00:52:56 Speaker 2: In a friend's student film. 00:52:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. So it wasn't like I had to audition and really put myself out there. Was just sort of handed to me. But the Ramones taught me that you can get out there and do a thing before you were entirely sure what you're doing exactly, which is anthem a lot of acting teachers, you know, but like those guys really didn't know what they were doing when they started Dido sex Pistoles did O Clash, And I find that very inspiring. 00:53:19 Speaker 2: Always have right kind of basically shoot for the target and have a nice time exactly. 00:53:25 Speaker 3: All from the Clash had the notes written on the neck of his bass apparently. 00:53:31 Speaker 2: This, oh well, this is a good tip for me. 00:53:32 Speaker 3: Yeah, I have no shame a sharp you'll stay on and and and that's how he taught himself base and I love that story. 00:53:41 Speaker 2: Oh that's great. Wow, I really may do that now. Interesting. Yeah, I can't have a band who takes itself too seriously or who is too good. No, absolutely, I'm immediately bored. Yeah, sure, good for you. Have you took lessons and you committed yourself. But that's not how I do anything. 00:53:59 Speaker 3: To circle back to Rush for a moment, Oh, you know, there's obviously there's there's there's a great deal of talent in that band, and there's even some good songwriting when they can keep it under three minutes. 00:54:09 Speaker 2: But there's such show offs. There's such show offs. 00:54:14 Speaker 3: I don't need to be trying to cuosity and technique rather than really connecting with me, you know, yes, and uh yeah. 00:54:23 Speaker 2: This is a constant problem with my boyfriend and I who he is, like a truly excellent born natural singer trained, But when I'm in charge of music in the car, NonStop complaints about the singing. 00:54:34 Speaker 4: Oh dear, what he was to do? Is he a show tune guy? Is he? 00:54:38 Speaker 2: I mean, who knows what's happening with his music? Taste? He did. He's on Broadway, so he listened to a lot of musical theater, but ed then pop music. But before I picked on Broadway. Currently, Yes, spam a lot just started like two nights ago. Yes, I kind of know taran Oh Tarren was on the show recently, right that. 00:54:59 Speaker 4: I think that's on that Wait, what's your boyfriend saying? 00:55:02 Speaker 2: This is Jimmy' Smagoula. 00:55:03 Speaker 3: It's Magoula. That's actually I feel like I've seen that in print in a play. I mean, it's a wild name because there's another thing I also. I mean, as I've made clear, I also dig show tunes a lot. I grew up in the theater, right right, I grew up like two blocks you know, the world in some aspects. Yeah, I'm not a I'm not a practitioner of Broadway musicals, but I'm a huge fan and I follow it. And I particularly like the early cast albums where maybe people weren't the best singers. 00:55:28 Speaker 2: That's all I want. I want someone to sound like a human being. 00:55:31 Speaker 3: I want someone to He's no doubt told you the Glennis John Send in the Clowns story. No, you know sending the clowns from my music, right so Glennis John's plays this role and she's you know, she's the mom and Mary poppinsis forget you know, she's a fun actor and a great comedian. Maybe not the best singer. But they realize they got to give her something an act too. They're in previews in New Haven or Boston, and sometimes like, I got to give her something in act too. She needs like an eleven o'clock number that'll really like tie the whole show together. He goes home and he writes, send in the Clowns. And what's brilliant about sending the clowns is that every line ends with a hard consonant. So there's no way, even if she wanted to, she could hold a note. Oh wow, isn't it ritch hair last on the ground? You in mid air? 00:56:18 Speaker 5: Wow? 00:56:19 Speaker 3: So you can if you aren't a singer, you can handle that song and give it a little extra something. But it's also fine if you just hit the notes and can't hold them. I need Why couldn't Sondheime just write for you? Write one song for me? I know, right, And it's too late. Yeah wow, I promise Eddie Smagula knows that story. 00:56:39 Speaker 2: Jimmy, Sorry, Eddie smagg Eddie Smagula is a very funny take on Jimmy' smagula. Though I'm gonna sorry calling him Medicans. 00:56:48 Speaker 3: Feel like that's like the Mad Magazine version of his real name. That's a I'm so sorry, don't APOLOGI does he listen to your podcast or is he get enough. 00:56:57 Speaker 4: For you at home? 00:56:58 Speaker 2: It'll be a good uh, We'll find out. We have to put these tests in podcasts and find out who really loves it. 00:57:04 Speaker 4: This will be like a little landmine for him. 00:57:06 Speaker 2: I'm prossing names off the list constantly. The people who love me is down to probably four people at that's amazing. So we'll see what jim has to say or Eddie. Well, I think we should play a game. Okay, let's hon a lease is today gift Master? Oh I'm a professional. I have to remember which game we played last time, and it's never easy for me. Okay, I need to number between one and ten from you six. Okay, I have to do some light calculating. So while I'm doing this, you can promote recommend. I guess you can't promote TV or anything right now, but you can recommend certainly. I'll be right back. 00:57:43 Speaker 4: Oh, okay, great. 00:57:45 Speaker 3: The only thing I have going on actually is completely safe for me to promote because it's in equity show. I wrote a play that is going to debut. It's gonna have its world premiere at the Odyssey Theater in January of twenty twenty four, called Brushstroke. It is a cold War thriller comedy that I wrote. We've got Malcolm Barrett and James Urbaniac attached to star. I'm really excited about Casey Stangele, who is an esteemed LA Theater director, is a directing. It is not a musical, but boy, would I love to write one someday That would be cool. 00:58:17 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:58:17 Speaker 3: So Brushstroke coming to the Odyssey Theater January of twenty twenty four. 00:58:21 Speaker 2: How exciting. 00:58:22 Speaker 4: I'm excited. 00:58:23 Speaker 2: That's uh wait, is this the first one you've written. 00:58:25 Speaker 3: No, I actually wrote to play a few years ago about the Ramones. 00:58:29 Speaker 2: You're kidding. 00:58:30 Speaker 3: The Ramones recorded an album with Phil Spector producing. 00:58:34 Speaker 2: Familiar with a Gun. 00:58:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was called Four Chords and a Gun and it's played a few cities. Actually, I wouldn't call it a hit necessarily, but it got picked up by a couple of regional theaters. And there was a there was a Toronto production, there was a Chicago production. It was a good experience. It was something I had to write. It got mixed reviews, but I regret nothing. It's such a It struck me as a great story for a play because it's mostly takes place in this studio, you know, it's all like in this one sort of And when it doesn't take place in the studio, you can just sort of set up cording office section of the stage, and that's a different place, you know, And it's it's a little six hander. And everything went wrong during the recording of that album, Dedie relapsed, the singer broke. 00:59:25 Speaker 4: Up with his girlfriend, the girlfriend hooked up with the guitarist. Absolutely. 00:59:28 Speaker 3: Phil Spector was being Phil Spector the whole time. So it's a I think it's a good topic for a drama, and no one else was doing it, so I. 00:59:36 Speaker 2: Wrote it's smart. I want to be in this. I want to play Phil Spector. So you play Phil Spector. 00:59:41 Speaker 4: You might be too tall. 00:59:42 Speaker 2: How tall was Phil Spector? 00:59:43 Speaker 3: He's a wee little creature. I didn't know that wood sprite, Yeah, yeah, little wood sprite. 00:59:48 Speaker 4: But I love that. You'd be great in that. 00:59:50 Speaker 2: Phil Spector, Why was your Yiddish the one? 00:59:55 Speaker 3: This, this tripped up the this tripped up the Toronto production somewhat. 01:00:00 Speaker 2: Don't say wow. 01:00:03 Speaker 4: I guess a smattering of Yiddish throughout that was that was. 01:00:06 Speaker 3: I was like, okay, I uh, let me just help out here where I can here. 01:00:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that tracks that he was a small person. 01:00:12 Speaker 3: Yeah, No, there was a lot of There was some hardcore Napoleon Commons. Right, I'm looking up your fella as we speak. 01:00:20 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's find out the height. I'm gonna guess now that you've said that, five. 01:00:23 Speaker 4: Four, I feel like you're right. 01:00:26 Speaker 2: I'm very good at estimating. Okay, five five five five going over with hair or without? 01:00:33 Speaker 4: That's the big Well, that's the question. The picture is with him in the trial. 01:00:36 Speaker 2: That he might be three feet tall, and then the hair is the other two feet? 01:00:40 Speaker 4: Yeah? 01:00:40 Speaker 3: Yeah, God, Atlanta Clarkson was six feet. The one he killed was six feet. Jesuz crazy Now, and when he felt threatened? Has any ever thought about that? 01:00:49 Speaker 2: Maelf? 01:00:50 Speaker 4: Defense? Clear at all? 01:00:52 Speaker 2: I mean he had no other red flags and no, no, I. 01:00:55 Speaker 3: Mean the guy and you know and and and loved by all. Oh yeah, I know this guy. I know your fucking boyfriend. Look at this qtie. 01:01:06 Speaker 4: Yeah, oh sure. 01:01:08 Speaker 2: Oh sure, an Italian wacko. 01:01:10 Speaker 3: I love him. I love this guy. What a goddamn delight. Yeah, I'm sure I've seen him in things also five to five? 01:01:18 Speaker 4: Is he really? 01:01:18 Speaker 3: No? 01:01:19 Speaker 4: That's not true. How I'm not hilarious. 01:01:20 Speaker 2: I'm definitely told. Okay, let's play this game. This game is called Gift Master. I'm gonna name three gifts, three things you can give away, experiences, items, what have you. And then I'm gonna name three celebrities. You can tell me which celebrity you would give which gift and why it makes perfect sense. 01:01:38 Speaker 4: No, I got it. I'm all set. 01:01:40 Speaker 2: The gifts you'll be giving today are Number one, a quiet evening at home that sounds nice. Number two, this is actually kind of a collaboration with a listener. Mary suggested I had posted something to Instagram from a tabloid headline that said special bond with granddaughter. So she suggests that could be a gift and Gift Master, so the gift will be a special bond with their granddaughter. And number three is tickets for two to the Haunted Hay Ride Okay, another great gift, yea, we've got. 01:02:09 Speaker 3: What's great about getting that as a gift is that it really isn't quite worth the money. 01:02:12 Speaker 4: But if you get it for free, by. 01:02:13 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm yeah. I would never do it for twenty dollars. The three people you'll give them to are number one Jude Law, Number two hate to say it, Candice Cameron Burer okay, and number three Medusa mythological creature. 01:02:30 Speaker 4: Sure, okay, these are all really good questions. Good good, there are really good questions. 01:02:36 Speaker 3: I feel like Jude Law would be a good sport and would also enjoy a free night in Griffith Park at the Haunted hay Ride. 01:02:45 Speaker 2: I can see him bumping along on that wagon and just. 01:02:47 Speaker 4: Kind of having a good laugh and enjoying himself. 01:02:50 Speaker 3: I know some people who have I think I know anyone's worked with him, but I know some people who've met him. Apparently a pretty pretty chill guy for a serious British actor, you know, kind of a sense of humor and pretty down to earth. 01:03:05 Speaker 2: Oh that's wonderful. 01:03:06 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm gonna I'm gonna give him the Haunted hay Ride. Okay, I want Candice Cameron viewer to have a quiet night at home without her phone so she can't post anything. 01:03:15 Speaker 4: I want her to really get home. 01:03:17 Speaker 3: I want her to really zen out and just enjoy her enormous family and just stay put and do that. And then I worry that Medusa doesn't get enough family time. So I want her to have a bonding moment with her granddaughter. And I'm assuming she God, I just went to such a weird place. I'm like, Okay, who gets Medusa pregnant? Well, anybody can get Medusa pregnant if they do her from behind. 01:03:44 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I don't know that this has ever been thought about, and it probably needed to happen Scots. 01:03:50 Speaker 3: Literally a four thousand year old legend. Someone has covered the idea of Like, no, it's I know you don't want to turn the stone, so you do her from behind? Obviously, Jesus Perseus, Do I have to think of everything? Yeah, So I think I want. I want Medusa to have a nice bonding moment with her grandchildren. 01:04:09 Speaker 4: She must have a couple. 01:04:10 Speaker 2: If this fun, Grandma Medusa, h huh, that's what I want. Going to Grandma Medusa's house. 01:04:14 Speaker 4: You'll wear a welder's helmet, and you'll make it work. 01:04:18 Speaker 2: Maybe going out for ice cream, who knows, But I think that's beautifully given. 01:04:22 Speaker 3: I think that that worked really well. Yeah, I think I got great options. Whoever your listeners are, I want to thank them, because. 01:04:28 Speaker 2: Well, only one, Let's be very clear, most of this is from me. Only Mary gets some credit here. The listener gets credit all the time. Okay, okay, listener, don't try to stolen valor. No, no, no, stay where you are. 01:04:41 Speaker 4: This is I think. 01:04:42 Speaker 3: But I love that. I think those were great, choicest of fun with it. 01:04:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, beautifully, perfectly played. You're obviously very good at giving gifts. Okay. This is the last last segment of the podcast. It's called I said no emails. People write into I Said No gifts at gmail dot com desperate for answers. They have all kinds questions. 01:05:00 Speaker 3: Which basically question, is rosan bar at Hotmail still available? Is it's still active? 01:05:05 Speaker 4: Check? 01:05:06 Speaker 2: Look? Can you get wow? 01:05:09 Speaker 4: Could you have a hot mail. 01:05:12 Speaker 2: Exist as a thing? 01:05:14 Speaker 3: Like I'm going to assume that Prodigy and CompuServe are not around anymore. 01:05:17 Speaker 2: But hotmail feels like it might be hanging It might be hanging on it was web based. 01:05:22 Speaker 3: I feel like it might not be out of the question for there to still be a couple of people hanging around. 01:05:26 Speaker 2: There, right or is it more now just kind of an idea, like heaven, it's who knows hot mail? We should look into hot mail. I feel like they went to MSN. 01:05:36 Speaker 4: That's right they did. That's right hot Mail. 01:05:39 Speaker 2: If somebody told me their email was at hot mail, I mean, everything would fall apart from me, is what I thought of them as a person. 01:05:48 Speaker 4: If they're over like seventy, you'd let it slide. 01:05:51 Speaker 2: You available. I just checked it is available. 01:05:53 Speaker 4: Not available? 01:05:54 Speaker 2: A right, you still have it? Wait, oh, rose enbar at hotmail is not available. 01:06:00 Speaker 5: It's not available. 01:06:02 Speaker 2: But Hotmail as a service it is. 01:06:04 Speaker 5: But it's under the umbrella of MSN. 01:06:07 Speaker 4: So I look. 01:06:07 Speaker 5: So if you look it up here, it's like they let you choose if you want an MSN account. 01:06:12 Speaker 2: Wow. Interesting, that's the difference between them and Gmail. Gmail gives you nothing, nothing. 01:06:18 Speaker 4: Yeah, you have no options, but. 01:06:19 Speaker 2: Nobody can have roseannebar at hotmail dot com. Apparently I've still got that. I should get it and look at that and see what these emails I was writing as a seventh grader. 01:06:27 Speaker 3: I would love to your inbox looks like at this point too, I'm more than a little curious. 01:06:33 Speaker 4: I think that's a special episode. 01:06:34 Speaker 3: Actually you don't have a guest, then you just crack open that email account. 01:06:38 Speaker 2: Just take a look at the last ten years. I mean, how many decades of emails is that. That's a dusty archive. That's a tomb. That's the kind of a king tut of email. But you know people write into the email. Sure, I of course I'm helping people out all the time, on podcasts, off podcasts. I'm just you lose. I live to serve, big heart. Will you help me answer a listener question? Okay, sure, okay, let's get into this and immediately it just says Bridger. It doesn't even include you, which is rough. I have a travel etiquette question, and you're sure to be the only one with the answer. Okay. Your guests all might also be helpful, but given their rudeness bringing you a gift, I doubt it. Okay, so now they're disqualifying you. This person's all over the map with you as a guest. What is the right thing to do when flying with friends and family who don't have pre check? When you do, do you leave them behind and enjoy keeping your shoes on, or do you join them in the terrible lines. Thank you in advance for your wisdom. And that's from Susie, Susie, Susie, Susie, Susie, Susie Susie. 01:07:46 Speaker 4: I don't know. 01:07:46 Speaker 3: I mean, I have my first instinct is you leave them behind and keep. 01:07:52 Speaker 2: Your shoes on. But I realize that's vaguely classiest. You know, your draw a class line, even within your family. 01:07:59 Speaker 4: Apparently I am. 01:08:00 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a fucking afford pre Check, but I can't presume that everyone's. I mean, I have a cousin who's a lawyer, she can afford pre check, she probably has it. But then I've got people in my family who maybe can't afford pre check, And you know, do I tough call. 01:08:16 Speaker 2: Well, now you've got an idea for a Christmas present for them? 01:08:19 Speaker 3: Give them pre check pre check. What a great gift, actually a phenomenal gift. I mean, that is a phenomenal. 01:08:24 Speaker 2: I feel like we've for the first time on this podcast, after thousands of hours, we've thought of one good gift idea. 01:08:30 Speaker 4: That is a really thoughtful, oh awtful. 01:08:33 Speaker 3: So it's an excellent thing to have, No God, yes, but I'm always baffled why more people don't have it. 01:08:37 Speaker 2: It's I think it's about eighty dollars. Yeah, for a long time. 01:08:41 Speaker 4: Yeah, for a long time. And you also, I mean you have to, you have to. 01:08:44 Speaker 3: You can't surprise them with it because they will need to submit to a background check and all the other. 01:08:48 Speaker 2: Stuff, and you might uncover some things about them, and you don't want to. 01:08:51 Speaker 4: Know that's true. Too. 01:08:52 Speaker 3: They have a felony in another country, you know, they can, they can, you know, never go back to Argentina. But I don't know. I think it's a case by case scenario. You don't leave your older relatives with the commoners. You should probably take the hit and walk with them and take your shoes off and take off your watch and do that other stuff. 01:09:13 Speaker 4: But if it's if it's. 01:09:14 Speaker 3: Your peer group, if it's people you're roughly your age, close siblings, stuff like that, fuck him, you'll see him at bat, You'll see him at the gate. 01:09:22 Speaker 4: You know, I don't know, what do you think? 01:09:24 Speaker 2: How is anyone going to learn a lesson if you're coddling them? 01:09:27 Speaker 4: That's a really good points. 01:09:29 Speaker 2: Sorry, I got this thing watch me. I'm demonstrating how easy it is. Absolutely, next time you fly, remember me before you do all of your planning and go get your own PreCheck. If you stand in line with these people, these. 01:09:44 Speaker 3: People, these people, these peasants, these philistines. 01:09:48 Speaker 2: You I mean, you're not only soullying your good name, you're not allowing them to learn. 01:09:54 Speaker 4: That's a really good point. 01:09:55 Speaker 2: So you can't just love. I've got my pre check. I can't be seen in the regular line anymore. I step out of my limo into the preaching. 01:10:02 Speaker 4: Absolutely. Absolutely, You're lucky. 01:10:05 Speaker 2: I'm in the back of the line. Lucky. 01:10:06 Speaker 4: I'm even flying commercial upon. 01:10:10 Speaker 2: The only reason I'm doing this is because I'm concerned about the environment. 01:10:13 Speaker 4: That's it. That's the only reason. Otherwise electric leer with. 01:10:18 Speaker 2: It several behind me, just for the for the entourage inspect. No, you can't. You have to leave them behind. It's I mean, it's so clear to me. Okay, the fact that Susie even wrote in with this question makes me question what's wrong with Susie. 01:10:32 Speaker 3: Well, I think Susie's trying to be kind to her family. Oh, I mean, and that's good for you on that front. 01:10:38 Speaker 4: Susie. 01:10:39 Speaker 3: You know, I think you've got a big heart, but maybe it's too big, and maybe you need to set some boundaries. 01:10:43 Speaker 2: Maybe Susie's weak. 01:10:45 Speaker 4: It's a rather rough take. 01:10:48 Speaker 2: It's got a lot of evidence, and we'll just kind of brand Susie as a weak person and she's spoiling her family and just damaging everything in her life. 01:11:00 Speaker 4: Roughly lose a listener a week, would you say, give or take? 01:11:03 Speaker 2: No, we're yes, okay, I mean the truth is we are bleeding listeners at this point. Yes, yes, I mean I think we have one listener at this point. So, and it was probably Susie closed the door on your way out. The podcast is over, oh dear, unfortunately, But I'll eventually learn a lesson as well. I have to learn by having my podcast canceled. 01:11:31 Speaker 4: Life is just a serious of lessons. 01:11:33 Speaker 2: It's a lesson after a lesson. But we answered the question perfectly. 01:11:36 Speaker 4: I think so too. 01:11:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's nothing else we could have said to Susie. 01:11:40 Speaker 3: I always feel like the majority says, I know, there's only two of us. But given I was kind of waffling and I was kind of on the fence and qualified it a little bit. I think we're seventy five percent. Leave those losers at in the regular line. No, half of me and all of you, So seventy five percent. We have a clear three quarters majority. Yeah, there's just there's there's no time for these these jag offs who won't get pre check as. 01:12:05 Speaker 2: Far as I'm concerned, word at one hundred and fifty percent. Leave them behind, leave them in the dust, Get on the plane, tell the plane to take off. I don't I don't remember anybody else being back there. I think we're fall close the doors. 01:12:18 Speaker 4: Fuck him and Joyce Sparrows. 01:12:21 Speaker 2: We all need a slice. Okay, Susie, thank you for writing in. We've answered the question. I've got this beautiful T shirt David Bowie phony in this T shirt. Essentially, people are gonna be calling me out constantly. You can not authentic. 01:12:36 Speaker 3: Can you name three albums I could easily answer you. I don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Don't don't let some fun that's the question. Yeah, don't let some mean spirited boomer get up in your grill about this. 01:12:45 Speaker 2: I feel like there's still part of my brain from probably sixth to tenth grade that has the fear that somebody's gonna call me on this sort of thing. Oh really, who's your favorite band name? Three albums? That sort of Yeah, that is just not happening in the adult world. 01:13:00 Speaker 4: No, it shouldn't. It shouldn't. 01:13:02 Speaker 3: It does still occasionally for you. I every once in a while, someone will will will call out I have a couple of ramone shirts and somebody will call that out and go, yeah, where'd you get that? 01:13:14 Speaker 4: Looks new? I'm like, it is new, it must be. It is new. 01:13:17 Speaker 3: My old one is my my first romote shirt is literally framed in my house because you can't wear it anymore. 01:13:22 Speaker 4: It won't survive one more item. 01:13:24 Speaker 3: Yeah, it has my name written on the back because I took it to camp with me. 01:13:28 Speaker 4: Oh so yeah, so I So people get a little. 01:13:33 Speaker 3: Snippy, and I'm like, well it's you know, I saw them when when Dedie was still in the band. 01:13:37 Speaker 4: So stop talking. I'm a gazillion years old. 01:13:41 Speaker 2: Scare you perfect answer to that question at any point, Well, this has been a wonderful time. This is great. 01:13:48 Speaker 3: I can't believe we're just meeting. I know, I feel weird about that, and I this went so smoothly. I feel like I could have gone horribly. It could have gone horrible. You never know, you never know, you never know. Somebody could be awful. But you're obviously incredible. You're great and this and at least you're great. I like your whole energy. I dig everything. I like the Bowie tattoo. I like the Roxy music. 01:14:10 Speaker 2: Sche Roxy music. 01:14:11 Speaker 4: It's great. 01:14:12 Speaker 3: I am lovely home, lovely back, really nice. 01:14:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, here we are. It's the end of the podcast. Thanks for having me, Thank you for being here and listener. I mean, I hope that you've been listening for the last few seconds and have kind of figured out this is the end of the podcast. Otherwise you're in for a horrible surprise. The podcast is over. I love you, goodbye. I said No Gifts is an exactly right production. It's produced by our dear friend on Elise Nilson, and it's beautifully mixed by Ben Tolliday. And we couldn't do it without our guest booker, Patrick Kottner. The theme song, of course, could only come from miracle worker Amy Man. You must follow the show on Instagram. At I said No Gifts, I don't want to hear any excuses. That's where you get to see pictures of all these gorgeous gifts I'm getting. And don't you want to see pictures of the gifts? 01:15:08 Speaker 1: And I invited you, hear, I thought, I made myself perfectly clear. When you're a guess to my home, you gotta come to me empty. And I said, no guests. Your own presences presents enough that I already had too much stuff. So how do you dare to surbey me?