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Speaker 1: But you're a guest to my home. You gotta come

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Speaker 1: to me empty, and I said, no guests, your presences

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Speaker 1: how do you dare to surbey me?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to I said, no gifts. I'm Bridger Wineger. We're

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Speaker 2: in the backyard. Temperature is right. Ah. I'm finishing up

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Speaker 2: the trial of my trial contact lenses. I've decided on

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Speaker 2: the brand I'll be choosing. My optometrist will be getting

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Speaker 2: an exciting phone call later today. Blackstone Optometry be prepared.

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Speaker 2: I know what I want and that's what I'll You know,

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Speaker 2: it's nice to know what contact I'll be wearing in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. But let's get into the podcast. Let's

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Speaker 2: just get into it. I love today's guests. He's truly wonderful.

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Speaker 2: It's John Ross Bowie. John, Hello, welcome Dison. No gifts.

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Speaker 3: It's delightful to be here at you're enjoying your contacts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it took me longer than necessary. They give me.

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Speaker 2: I think they give you like a week of each brand.

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Speaker 4: It's not a one size fits all situation.

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Speaker 2: It's weirdly not. I've been wearing contacts for a long time,

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Speaker 2: and first of all, every year they improve, which is

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Speaker 3: How long have you been wearing corrective lenses since? I

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Speaker 3: think eighth grade, so fifth grade for me. Wow, And

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Speaker 3: I'm same way. I am dazzled by how much optometry

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Speaker 2: I have LASIK, now, okay, interesting, but.

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Speaker 3: Even that is telling because when I was in high school,

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Speaker 3: And then they're like, hey, guess what the science is

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Speaker 4: And I was like, all right, I'll take contacts.

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Speaker 3: Then I did those for a few years, and then

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Speaker 3: I tore my contacts on a set. One time, I

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Speaker 3: was shooting an episode of Monk Okay, and we're just

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Speaker 3: gonna get right into.

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Speaker 2: This well and let's just put it out there. Monk

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Speaker 3: Well, here's why on this particular episode. That's an absolute truest.

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Speaker 3: I tear my my contacts, I check my bag. I

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Speaker 3: gonna shoot the car scene tonight. This is a true story.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, so when you say the car scene,

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Speaker 3: I don't let on at all what I'm going through,

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Speaker 3: We've already shot like two or three days, I cannot

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Speaker 3: My mother in law had LASIK in like nineteen ninety eight. Oh,

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Speaker 4: My hand to god. She lives in a two D world.

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Speaker 3: They give you xamax for a reason, of course, Yeah, two.

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Speaker 2: But I mean there is a temptation, but then I

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Speaker 2: to those this year. Yes, muscles next, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: What was your first email address?

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Speaker 4: Oh god, I hate that you asked me that.

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Speaker 3: And of all the places I worked, Scholastic was by

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Speaker 4: It was actually really nice.

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Speaker 2: Small nice Literally everyone that's ever applied for.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone claims to know microsoftic cell. So like also

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Speaker 3: Uh do it to go over to Rob, who's Rob Qudry?

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Speaker 4: Oh of course, Rob Office manager. And this is where we.

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Speaker 3: Addressed like, Hi, I'm John, I'm a I'm a I'm

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Speaker 3: the new temp. I'm Rob, I'm the office manager. What

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Speaker 4: I was like, I want something funny.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, great, your hate six six six at aol

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Speaker 3: like this is like Lissus Clifford and the Little Spin

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Speaker 4: So that is my first email address. I'm so glad

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Speaker 2: How did you not hold on to that? I don't.

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Speaker 4: I was Joan Didion.

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Speaker 4: Oh my, that was me. That's one son.

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Speaker 2: Oh that was a huge thing for me. You loved

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Speaker 4: Know, it was a bad idea out of the gate.

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Speaker 2: Know it's interesting because her doing that, like the audience

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean if we could, I mean we

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Speaker 2: I'm the person who maybe this is my DJ moment.

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Speaker 3: No no, but I occasionally play bass in a punk

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Speaker 2: That's all I want in the world.

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Speaker 3: So but no, it works out because you hear what

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Speaker 3: Let's see Taylor Hawkins was very good looking. Dave Grohl

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's just the like the physicality of it that's

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Speaker 4: What happened?

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Speaker 3: Either way, I have a great deal of sympathy for

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00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 3: people who teach, and particularly during the pandemic. So I

440
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 3: got up front and center and my wife. We were

441
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Speaker 3: super fortunate. My wife got an online writing job was

442
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,760
Speaker 3: in a writer's room for a show that had halted production,

443
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Speaker 3: so we were super lucky that she had steady work

444
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,200
Speaker 3: starting in like April of twenty twenty during I mean

445
00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:02,320
Speaker 3: absolute beyond like a lottery ticket, right. So that left

446
00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,920
Speaker 3: me sort of, you know, playing catch up with the

447
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,000
Speaker 3: kids and helping them, you know. And they were at

448
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,159
Speaker 3: a level, thank god, they were at a level where

449
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,200
Speaker 3: like they were both in their last year of math.

450
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Speaker 4: I could understand, you know.

451
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Speaker 3: They were both I was it would have been fourth

452
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Speaker 3: and seventh grade, I think, okay, no, fifth and.

453
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Speaker 2: Eighth Oh that's better than may I yeah, fifth.

454
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Speaker 3: And eighth and eighth grade was push. But she wasn't

455
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Speaker 3: in like honors math or anything. So I was able

456
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Speaker 3: to help out a little bit. And my son needed

457
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Speaker 3: a great deal of help because he was at a

458
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Speaker 3: charter school and they were kind of you know, trying

459
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Speaker 3: to figure some stuff out, and they were slower to

460
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 3: get up and running online anyway. So I would do

461
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Speaker 3: that during the day, and that night I would stay

462
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Speaker 3: up and I would do these open world video games

463
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,280
Speaker 3: because you know, you couldn't.

464
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Speaker 2: Go anyway to get out.

465
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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. So I was playing.

466
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Speaker 3: But I finished more video games in the first two

467
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Speaker 3: years of the pandemic than I had ever played beforehand.

468
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Speaker 3: Oh my, but I did Red Dead, Redemption two. Sure,

469
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 3: which is magnificent. I mean, it's such a beautiful game.

470
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Speaker 4: Do you play it?

471
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Speaker 2: I that for me? You're the cowboys too slow? He

472
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:10,560
Speaker 2: moves too slow?

473
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:11,160
Speaker 4: Fair enough?

474
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Speaker 3: No, you know that's I sort of dug that about it.

475
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 3: I like, people love that leisurely quality of a lot

476
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 3: of it.

477
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 4: But I hear you.

478
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 2: I need someone nimble who can climb a wall.

479
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Speaker 4: Did you do Ghostusushima?

480
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Speaker 2: I've played a lot of that. I'll never finish it,

481
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 2: but that's more my speech. Okay, it feels like, uh,

482
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 2: beyond my physicality. Okay, okay, you know it's like when

483
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Speaker 2: i'm when the cowboys slower than I am, there's a problem.

484
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Speaker 4: I see, what's your jam? What do you? What do

485
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Speaker 4: you enjoy?

486
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Speaker 2: I just finished the new Zelda game here. It's fantastic, incredible. Yeah, son,

487
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 2: really dug that. Anything that's kind of a truly escapist,

488
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 2: it's like bright, happy, colorful. That sort of thing works

489
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Speaker 2: for me. When it gets into misery, oh that it's

490
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Speaker 2: not really my thing anymore.

491
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Speaker 3: Do you want to spoiler for Red Dead Redemption two?

492
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Speaker 3: Of course he dies of tuberculosis. Of course he fucking die.

493
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 3: He doesn't die in an unwinnable gunfight. He dies slowly

494
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Speaker 3: of tuberculosis.

495
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 4: That happens.

496
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Speaker 3: There's more like moral quandary at the end, where it's

497
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 3: a real binary like you either give the money to

498
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 3: this good guy or you die holding onto it or something,

499
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 3: and that's the end of the game, more or less.

500
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 3: And so yeah, you would have been but oh my god, the.

501
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,640
Speaker 2: Landscape it's beautiful. It's beautiful.

502
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:28,360
Speaker 3: And when you ever get caught in the rain and

503
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 3: like the lightning reflects in the puddles, it's so cool, gorgeous.

504
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 2: They just need to drop like an Olympic runner in

505
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 2: that world.

506
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 4: Faster horses. No one needs a faster horse.

507
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 2: Give me a motorcycle, give me something fun to do.

508
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 4: Sure, sure, sure understood.

509
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Speaker 2: But I understand that you're just needing to It's such

510
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 2: a nice way to get Like I played so much

511
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Speaker 2: Selda during the pandemic.

512
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and eventually, but eventually got to a point

513
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 3: where like my kids were back in actual physical school

514
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Speaker 3: and I was starting.

515
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Speaker 4: To play during the day.

516
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Speaker 3: Okay, Now my wife would comb home and I'd be like, listen,

517
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Speaker 3: Sushim is not going to liberate itself, lady, and it would.

518
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 3: It's just not a good look anymore, and I had

519
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:03,359
Speaker 3: to wrap it up.

520
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 2: It was there, ever, an audience watching was the family watching.

521
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 3: You play occasionally in that also didn't feel great. That

522
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 3: also didn't feel really good at all. Dark and you

523
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,360
Speaker 3: can and in so many ways, like Ghost of Sushimo

524
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Speaker 3: is extra nefarious because it has this way of presenting

525
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Speaker 3: itself as the thinking man's video game. Like you can

526
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Speaker 3: do a mode on that where it's called Kurosawa mode familiar. Yeah, right,

527
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 3: so it goes black and white and subtitled for your film, bros.

528
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 3: And it looks Yeah, so you can be like film

529
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 3: Twitter's favorite video game for a moment, and it looks

530
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 3: like sort of distressed film from the nineteen fifties. So

531
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Speaker 3: I played it that way a little bit just to

532
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 3: sort of pretend that I was smarter than I actually am. Yeah,

533
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Speaker 3: so it was really, I mean, it's the same, it's

534
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Speaker 3: the same principle of me using the PSN name Joan

535
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 3: Diddy and it's like, no, you're still playing a video game, dude.

536
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,440
Speaker 3: You're still a middle aged man playing a video game.

537
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 3: Don't yeah, like part it up any way you want.

538
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 2: But I do feel like that's a new problem within

539
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 2: video games of them taking themselves so seriously where it

540
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 2: feels like a lot of games like God of War

541
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 2: became this very serious thing. And I said to a friend,

542
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 2: it feels like Howard Stern hosting Fresh Air or something like,

543
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 2: we still know what this is, we know exactly what

544
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 2: this is. It's still a video game. God bless. Yeah, yeah,

545
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 2: it's kind of ridiculous.

546
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, No, you don't necessarily need the woman who

547
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 3: wrote the shock doctrine to flash you, which is what

548
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 3: I imagine would happen if Howard Stern hosted Fresh Air.

549
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look, there's something more important we need

550
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 2: to talk about. Yeah, there's something we need to get

551
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 2: into here. I was happy to have you here today.

552
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 2: I was so excited.

553
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 4: No, I was so pleased to be here. I was

554
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 4: so enthusiastic.

555
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you got here right on time, I would

556
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 2: say early. I pulled up to my house, you were

557
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Speaker 2: already here.

558
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

559
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 2: I pull up, We walk up the driveway. You use

560
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Speaker 2: my neighbor's green bin, which you know, throwing away your

561
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Speaker 2: banana peel. I'll probably have to go back and dig

562
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 2: it out later.

563
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 3: I'm sorry about that. I just really well, I didn't

564
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 3: want to pollute your green bin relationship with my neighbor.

565
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 3: I apologize. I didn't really didn't want to leave it

566
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 3: in my car. You really an appeal in a hot car.

567
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: I encourage you to do that.

568
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 3: It really is not going to all the smell will.

569
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Speaker 3: I feel like there's a larger issue you want to

570
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 3: get to.

571
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 2: Well, that was a red flag. Let's just say that

572
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 2: was early red flag. We get into the backyard and

573
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 2: you spring on me what is obviously a gift. Yeah,

574
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 2: the podcast is called I said no gifts.

575
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 4: That's what it's called.

576
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 2: Okay, so now we're already getting into whatever. Maybe this

577
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 2: was a mistake, Okay, I want I believe.

578
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 3: There's so well so far, and I hate to think

579
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 3: that I've messed things up.

580
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 2: Right, you love teachers, You're you know, you're improving your

581
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:51,160
Speaker 2: life by quitting video games and now but we're backsliding.

582
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 3: Well, but I feel like there's a there's a rapport

583
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 3: going on here, and I'd hate to see us lose

584
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 3: that so early on.

585
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 2: Right for this to deteriorate, it's just you know, seven

586
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: hundred miles an hour.

587
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 3: So that Amy Man theme song that that has lyrics.

588
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: It does Oh you got the instrumental I did. Okay,

589
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 2: so we blame this on is supposed to send out

590
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 2: the full song.

591
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, I didn't realize. Okay, interesting list

592
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 3: has removed the lyrics. Oh well, that's a that's weird.

593
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 3: I don't need a karaoke version of something. I don't

594
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,400
Speaker 3: know that's it.

595
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 2: But you know, Carrie got up in front of a

596
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 2: crowd with the karaoke song you've never heard. It's a

597
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 2: learning moment for everybody, thinks so on Lisa's trying to

598
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 2: start their business karaoke. You don't know which.

599
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 3: I said, karaoke believes it the term.

600
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I mean, I guess we should just deal

601
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,479
Speaker 2: with this. However, we should show I open it here

602
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 2: on the podcast.

603
00:27:43,040 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 3: I think it's opening here on the podcast. It's a

604
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 3: real impulse buy. I didn't want to show up empty handed.

605
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 3: And I was in a gift shop on Hollywood Boulevard

606
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 3: Interests and picked this up and just thought, I actually

607
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 3: kind of like the way it looks.

608
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 4: But here it was a present for you.

609
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:28,400
Speaker 2: We've got the gift bag opening. We're dipping in.

610
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,439
Speaker 3: So I don't want to make things more confusing than

611
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 3: they have to be, but I got you do you

612
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 3: say it.

613
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: Or should say well, it is a T shirt. It

614
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: is a T shirt, you want to say? Should I

615
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: say well?

616
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 4: I want to say it because I feel like you're going.

617
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 3: To have an issue with it. But it's a cool logo, right,

618
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 3: It's a David Bowie T shirt.

619
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 2: Yes.

620
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 3: And I was so struck by the fact that you

621
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 3: pronounced my name properly. I pronounced it Bowie and you

622
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 3: did it, I know. And you did it right out

623
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 3: of the gate. Not cool of me to leave the

624
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 3: price tag on it.

625
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 2: Oh, I think that's the move to make Okayne ninety nine.

626
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 2: Let's say it.

627
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 3: Okay, it was a twenty dollars T shirt. Decent, you

628
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 3: know fairly. You know that's good, good sturdy cod It's

629
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 3: not a shrink.

630
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: In the wash cotton.

631
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good thick cotton burl lap. Yeah. And

632
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 3: I thought there was something amusing about John Bowie bringing

633
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 3: in David Bowie's shirt. And I don't know if I'm

634
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 3: right about that, but I also feel like, who doesn't

635
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 3: like Bowie?

636
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 2: Everybody loves stay right Zoe, you know.

637
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 3: And I don't know if you ever saw him live

638
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 3: or or I never did personally, but I it's a

639
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 3: cool logo. It's like it's that fax distressed thing going

640
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 3: on again.

641
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: A clearly fake distress.

642
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's a brand new shirt and I'm sure

643
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 3: absolutely every single one of this model has the exact

644
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 3: same discolorations.

645
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: It even has a copyright twenty thirteen on it, which

646
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 2: was probably a bad move when you're selling a distressed

647
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: T shirt.

648
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 3: Because it's it's supposed to look like you bought it

649
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 3: at a show in like nineteventy eight, on like the

650
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 3: Lodger tour, on like one of those one of those

651
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 3: albums they'd and remember making because he was on coke

652
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 3: and Berlin. But but yeah, yeah, so I got you

653
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 3: a David Bowie shirt.

654
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: And I don't know that I've ever if you if

655
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 2: this didn't say Bowie on it, I've never seen this

656
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: photo of Bowie before. I there's no way I could

657
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: tell you that was David Bowie. Oh really absolutely unrecognizable

658
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: to me.

659
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,959
Speaker 3: Oh I feel like I yeah, it's hards. You can

660
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 3: kind of make out his eyes, you can kind of

661
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 3: make out his eyes on a list. He wouldn't and

662
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 3: hon only so this is her genre. She's got a

663
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 3: Roxy music shirt.

664
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a David Bowie tattoo.

665
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 5: I've never seen that picture.

666
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 2: Hatoo.

667
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 4: It's this one.

668
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this one right here.

669
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 5: It's in his handwriting from one of his exhibitions and

670
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 5: that was traveling around Europe in the US as though

671
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 5: nothing could fall.

672
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 2: Oh that's redful. Yeah, but never seen it before me. Interesting, Yeah,

673
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 2: this is a for all we know, this is just

674
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 2: another guy.

675
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 4: It might just be another guy with a great jaw line.

676
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 2: Right with these giant sunglasses on. When I say Bowie,

677
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: it feels like, uh, something's going wrong in my brain.

678
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 3: No, I know, and where everyone feels that way around me.

679
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 3: I make everyone feel like they're having the tiny, most

680
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 3: insignificant stroke. That's the teensiest little stroke, because they all

681
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 3: and you know what was amazing is that you kind

682
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 3: of I mean, we can go back to the tape

683
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 3: and listen to it, but you you just rattled it off.

684
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 3: Ninety percent of the time when I meet someone who's

685
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 3: interviewing me, it's John Ross Bowie, and you hear that

686
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 3: moment of inhale and effort, are gonna do it and

687
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 3: don't fuck this up Bowie, and it's uh and and

688
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 3: you rattled it off with an ease.

689
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: I hope this thinking back, who knows how it actually sounds,

690
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 2: but now hopefully the listener's not going back and.

691
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 4: You did did did? Patrick?

692
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 2: Uh?

693
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:44,239
Speaker 3: Uh?

694
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: No? I do my research.

695
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 4: You do your homework, okay, you know.

696
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 2: And I feel like I've probably screwed up people's last

697
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 2: names on this podcast. Before the last name, I mean

698
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 2: with as someone with a horrible to pronounce last name.

699
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 2: It's just my entire experience of people saying vinegar rather

700
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 2: than win or winegar whatever. For h I tried to be.

701
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 3: I actually was talking to my wife this morning and

702
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 3: I would have said Winneger and it's wineger, right, yeah, I.

703
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: Mean, let's be honest. One of my agents still says Winneger,

704
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 2: and I don't know and how to correct him. There's

705
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 2: just the hope that eventually he'll listen to the podcast willing.

706
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 2: Maybe this is the.

707
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 3: God Willing, this is the one where he and that's

708
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 3: I'm assuming that's just like straight up English aristocracy. That name.

709
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 2: The name is Dutch.

710
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 4: Oh, I believe Dutch.

711
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 2: I really should know by now.

712
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 3: No, I forget it was northern and white. I just

713
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 3: didn't go that far north.

714
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: Much further north. Yeah, it's winegar, but a lot of

715
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: people in my life still say Winneger and eventually get

716
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:46,719
Speaker 2: to a point where you're just like, I can't correct them,

717
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 2: are same, that's just who they think.

718
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 4: So here's an amazing thing.

719
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 3: Within the past year, I found a, to my knowledge,

720
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 3: the only extant interview clip of someone asking the thin

721
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 3: white Duke how he pronounces his name?

722
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 2: Oh? Wow? What year was this?

723
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 3: This was pretty real, I would say within the probably

724
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 3: he died in twenty sixteen, so probably within like ten

725
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 3: or fifteen years of his death, okay. And he keeping

726
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,719
Speaker 3: in mind that it was not his given name, is

727
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 3: he's David Jones.

728
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: Oh that's right, because he didn't want to be Davy

729
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 2: Jones like.

730
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 3: The monkeys precisely. And he did not care. He absolutely

731
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 3: did not care.

732
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 4: So clessic. Yeah, he was just like, it's just you, hi, Javis,

733
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 4: I don't care.

734
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 3: It was very very chill about it, and it was

735
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 3: it was it was eye opening for me. But it

736
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 3: really it gets pronounced oddly enough. When I go to

737
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 3: the UK, they say Bowie. Oh they do, yeah, especially

738
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 3: if I'm it's a Scottish name and if I if

739
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 3: I find myself in Scotland, they they are quick to

740
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 3: be like, here you go, mister Balan.

741
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 2: So him deciding Bowie was a really intentional choice, then

742
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 2: I guess so.

743
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 3: But then again, he doesn't really commit to it, you know,

744
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 3: I don't. He seemed very egalitarian. I don't think he

745
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 3: ever corrected anybody.

746
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 2: And how often is he saying his whole name aloud?

747
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it comes to a point where you no longer

748
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 3: need to introduce yourself, I should imagine.

749
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 2: Right, unless it's this image of from this.

750
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 4: Tea shirt where you don't recognize me enough.

751
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, David Bowie is just obviously pure class,

752
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 2: pure class, just pure class. Yeah, I need to I mean,

753
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 2: maybe maybe I'm pure class, I'm not correcting correcting anybody,

754
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 2: or maybe there's just a problem with me speaking up

755
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 2: for myself.

756
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 3: It's a fine line between being pedantic and self advocacy,

757
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 3: isn't it all right? It's and I don't always find

758
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 3: myself on the right end of that line. I do

759
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 3: tend to like I never I certainly never get upset

760
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 3: about it anymore. But if I feel like I'm going

761
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 3: to be hanging with someone for a while, around the

762
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 3: third time they fuck up my name and I frame

763
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 3: it as a compliment. I go, hey, I think we're

764
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 3: going to be friends. We're going to be Well, that's

765
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 3: a good way. So it just heads up. It's not

766
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 3: the end of the world. But I actually say bowie,

767
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 3: And they apologize profusely, bend backwards to make sure they

768
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 3: understand that it's no big deal and the most common

769
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 3: mistake in the world.

770
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 4: Don't sweat it.

771
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 3: And you know, you can take it up with my father,

772
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 3: but he's dead ha ha ha, you know. And and

773
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 3: I do everything I can to make them feel okay

774
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 3: about this very common thing.

775
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 4: Right. But yeah, as I get older, I care less

776
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 4: and less right.

777
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 2: And I mean, people are weirdly sensitive about their names. Yeah,

778
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: and it I mean I think everyone just needs to

779
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 2: understand names are literally words, and people are constantly mispronouncing words. Yes,

780
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 2: names are just bizarre words. How to pronounce any of these? Yeah,

781
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 2: They're truly just sounds that have almost no meaning to anybody.

782
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 4: No.

783
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 2: No, So that's kind of my attitude about it at

784
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 2: this point, which is like.

785
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 3: Everyone's trying, everyone is doing their best, everyone is doing

786
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 3: the What is the lesson of the last three years

787
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 3: other than we're just we're just all just trying to

788
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 3: keep our heads above water over.

789
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 2: Here, we're all seconds from drowning, just.

790
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 3: Barely chin above the surf at this moment, and just

791
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 3: let us just let people live.

792
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 2: So I assume you're a big David Bowife.

793
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 3: I'm there are bigger certainly. But yeah, when I was

794
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 3: a kid, I was like.

795
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 4: Fuck this guy. Fuck this guy is making everything really

796
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 4: complicated for me.

797
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 3: And that's what I was really irritable about, correcting people

798
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 3: and everything. But when I was in seventh grade, the

799
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 3: Let's Dance record came out, and you know that's that's

800
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 3: full of hits, that record, you know, I mean, I

801
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 3: think under Pressure is on that record.

802
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 4: Obviously, the title track Modern Love is on that.

803
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 2: Record, much better than Modern Love come ever, literally everyone

804
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: loves the song.

805
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 3: Yeah show me when a girl is on that record,

806
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 3: which is problematic but catching nonetheless. So yeah, I mean

807
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 3: that that that fifteen year run from like seventy to

808
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 3: eighty five is kind of impeccable. After that where it starts, well, well,

809
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 3: you know what was kind of cool about him?

810
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 4: Like I have friends who were ride or died.

811
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 3: You know Steve Ag I know of okay, Steve Age,

812
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 3: he's a rider or died, and he was like that.

813
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 3: That last album that he put out like that came

814
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 3: out like the week before he died, that had all

815
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 3: this weird jazz on it, black Star, Blackstar.

816
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 4: Or Lazarus one of them one of those.

817
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 2: Last does it not have? Wait?

818
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 4: Is it called Blackstar? And that on is Lazarus? Okay?

819
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're that Yeah.

820
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 3: And he did some Drummond bassed stuff in the nineties

821
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 3: that I wasn't down with, but I salute him for

822
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 3: constantly reinventing him right, constantly trying Yeah, and I I

823
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 3: I And it's one of those things where like I

824
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 3: will not follow you down this road, but good for

825
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 3: you for trying it.

826
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 2: You know, we're not getting bored. Yeah, no, and you're

827
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 2: ending bored.

828
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 3: I thought he was a a an interesting and kind

829
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 3: of compelling actor. Oh do you ever see his scene

830
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 3: on extras.

831
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 2: So the best, it's probably the funniest moment from that entire.

832
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 3: Show, Sad Little Fat Man. Yeah, it's it's it's great.

833
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 3: And and then those hit albums are hit albums, you know.

834
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 3: I mean, you can't go wrong with Honkey Dory. Honkey

835
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: Dory is all killer, no filler, just everything sea it's

836
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 3: great start US is great. The aforementioned Lodger has a

837
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 3: lot of deep cuts, but there's good stuff on there.

838
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 3: Boys keep swinging DJ. Yeah, I would say I'm I'm

839
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 3: a fan.

840
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 4: Definitely.

841
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 3: I never saw him live, which is a huge regret,

842
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 3: but yeah, fascinating guy.

843
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: Did you ever come close to seeing him live?

844
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, I think there was a moment where I

845
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 3: thought about going to see the Glass Spider Tour at

846
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 3: Giant Stadium and was like, I have never successful. I've

847
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 3: never had an easy time getting out to see a

848
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 3: concert at Giant Stadium. Oh, Giant Stadium is there for Jersey.

849
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 3: It is not there for New York. It is very

850
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 3: much there to be like, Hi, New York, would you

851
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 3: like to come? Oh you don't have a car. Oh

852
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 3: that's right, you don't have a car.

853
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 4: Fuck you.

854
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 3: That's Giant Stadium, which is called something else now, I think,

855
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 3: but or maybe it isn't.

856
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 4: I don't know what. There's a little of some corporate

857
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 4: must and there's.

858
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 3: A smaller uh, there's a smaller arena next to it

859
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 3: that has a that used to just be called the

860
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 3: Meadowlands and is like, you know, the the Costco Arena

861
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 3: or something. But so yeah, so I came close to

862
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 3: seeing the Glass Spider tour. But then when he died,

863
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 3: I suddenly got a little more serious about like, oh,

864
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 3: we got to get out there and start catching these guys.

865
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 4: But we got to catch these boomers.

866
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: Before they all wrapped around forever.

867
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not, and I am, so I'm being a

868
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 3: little more diligent about making sure that I catched the

869
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 3: old timers.

870
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: Now, who have you seen?

871
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 4: Well?

872
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 3: I made sure I saw Prince before he died, which

873
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:36,760
Speaker 3: was great.

874
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 2: I almost saw Prince. I was promised saying Title had

875
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 2: some sort of concert in Brooklyn. While it was there working.

876
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 2: We went to the Title concert. Prince did not come.

877
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 2: I was just dragged through a bunch of like de

878
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 2: rate openers. Oh no, Prince didn't appear. That's devastating.

879
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 3: He did a month long residency at the Forum about

880
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 3: twelve thirteen years ago, okay, where where it was a

881
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 3: crap shoot. Every ticket was twenty five bucks but you

882
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 3: obviously didn't.

883
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 4: Pick your seats.

884
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 3: But it was in the round and it was him

885
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 3: with an all female band. Oh and it was insane.

886
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 3: It was incredible, and there were guests every night, and

887
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 3: we had famous saxophonist Maceo Parker, who was not familiar.

888
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 3: He led James Brown's band, Oh kind of jazz saxophone

889
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 3: as of his own right. He came out and did

890
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 3: a sax solo for Purple Rain. It was insane. Oh,

891
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 3: some people got Stevie Wonder coming out and doing Superstition

892
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 3: with Prince. It was a crazy run of shows. I'm

893
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 3: trying to think who else I've seen Stevie Wonder at

894
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 3: the Hollywood Bowl. We caught Dolly Parton at the Hollywood Bowl.

895
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 3: I've just been trying to like make sure that I

896
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 3: check all these guys off my list before.

897
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 2: It's like you're sending them off to die.

898
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 3: I wonder sometimes if all they're waiting for us, for

899
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 3: me to finally catch them live, You've become kind of

900
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 3: a grim reaper, you know, just me sitting I didn't

901
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 3: see Elton John because I like him around for a

902
00:40:58,520 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 3: little bit longer.

903
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 2: But now he is.

904
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 4: I don't need to sit there with a sigh. That

905
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 4: Dodger Stadium.

906
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 2: Is Elton John Dunne.

907
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 3: He keeps saying he is, but this farewell tour is lasting.

908
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 3: Fucking friend's a liar. The man's a liar. I saw

909
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 3: a kiss Oh, I to go see Kiss that with him? Well,

910
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 3: this was actually funny. Pardo was there too, You'll be

911
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 3: shocked to learn. And I took my son and I

912
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 3: was like, I'm gonna take my son, who was ten

913
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 3: at the time, maybe nine, And I was like, this

914
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 3: is so bad ass. I'm gonna take my son to

915
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 3: see kiss. How cool is that? What a bad motherfucker dad,

916
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 3: I am. I'm taking my son to see Kiss. Bridger,

917
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 3: everyone had their kids. Absolutely everybody brought their kids to

918
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 3: the Key of flor It was basically it was basically

919
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 3: seeing the Wiggles. Because it's children's music, Bridger, don't kid yourself.

920
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 4: It's children's music.

921
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 3: Men are children, there's men wear costumes and makeup, and

922
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 3: the blood isn't scary anymore. So it's just it's it's

923
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 3: children's music. So many grand kids there were, so Jimmy

924
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:07,240
Speaker 3: brought his son. It's the least cool concert cool concert

925
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 3: in America. I had a great time, Piro. They opened

926
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 3: with Detroit Rock City. No, No, it's a great time.

927
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 3: We left a little bit early because Walter got tie tie.

928
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: We were not the only empty half the arena.

929
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 3: Empties out because people are up past their bed times. Yeah,

930
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 3: it was uh yeah, but I regret nothing.

931
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 2: No, I imagine they put on a good show.

932
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 4: It's I mean, it's musical theater. It's ridiculous.

933
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 3: It's it's big and flashy, and there's costumes and the

934
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 3: banter is the same no matter where you go.

935
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 4: I'm sure you know, I'm.

936
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 2: Sure it's a standard.

937
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 3: It's it's the I mean, they kind of invented all

938
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 3: thech of like are you ready to rock? Let's hear

939
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 3: this side of the arena. I don't know, can this

940
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 3: side do better? You know, we thought they knew how

941
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 3: to rock in the last city we played, you know,

942
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 3: and it's it's just and they.

943
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,840
Speaker 4: But they kind of that's kisses. Is it a cliche?

944
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 3: If you invented it, you know, shick that you brought

945
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,479
Speaker 3: to arena rock, then it's hard to say, you know.

946
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 2: I mean for you to do something else would feel phony.

947
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

948
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I never forgets a bite When they say is

949
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: this you can be louder? I'm saying no, I can't.

950
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 2: I did I gave you what I had?

951
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 4: What do you listen to? Right now? You get in

952
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 4: your car?

953
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 2: What am I listening to? What am I listening to?

954
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 2: This is a huge question. So sure to take a

955
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 2: deep breath before and answer the question.

956
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 3: What speak freely? Because I listened to a bunch of

957
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 3: stuff that people make fun of me for. So I

958
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 3: don't know what your tastes are at all, but like,

959
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 3: if you're worried that, like, oh I can't admit blank,

960
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 3: then speak freely.

961
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 2: This is what I'm listening to my uh Weirdly, I've

962
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: become friends with a guy who was in a band

963
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: I really liked, a garage band in the early tens

964
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 2: called Harlem. He's now has a band called Lace Curtains.

965
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 3: Oh, I saw Harlem on Matador? Yeah, yeah, I saw

966
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 3: Harlem at the Matador twenty one. You're in Vegas whenever.

967
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 3: That was ten, twelve years ago.

968
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 2: They're unbelievable.

969
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 4: They're a great band.

970
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 2: They burned out pretty quickly, yeah did. They're a wild band. Yeah.

971
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 2: Michael Komer was half of the band. He now has

972
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: a band called Lace Curtains Halloween.

973
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 4: I've heard of them, I've not heard.

974
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 2: Them wonderful, And he had to show it his house

975
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 2: Halloween thing the other night, and that's kind of reignited

976
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 2: that for me. So I've been listening to him a

977
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: lot recently. Okay, we'll do lace curtains. What are you

978
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 2: listening to?

979
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 3: That's a fine question, but I'm going to be perfectly honest,

980
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 3: and I can't think it's a hard immediately. Yeah, but

981
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 3: I mean I but the thing is that we can

982
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 3: now document this stuff very clearly, and you know what,

983
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 3: for better or worse, your phone will tell you, well,

984
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 3: here's what you were just listening to. Don't try to

985
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 3: lie to anybody, because see, my algorithm is all fucked

986
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 3: up for myriad reasons.

987
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 2: Oh well, you're a father.

988
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 4: I'm a father.

989
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, but my kids are you know, they're now sixteen

990
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 3: and almost fourteen, so they're pretty cool. Okay, and but okay,

991
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 3: listening to the new Mountain Goats record.

992
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 2: Oh I love the Mountain the Mountain Goats too.

993
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 3: They're hard to keep up with because it's been so

994
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 3: much every eight months show and it's dense. But this

995
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 3: Jenni from Thebes is really it's a quality piece of work.

996
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 3: But then right here they suggested the algorithm suggested take

997
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 3: me home Tonight by Eddie Money, and I was like,

998
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 3: I could listen to that right now. Shift my all

999
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 3: means I'll listened to Eddie moneyes take me Home tonight

1000
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 3: right now with that Ronnie Spector vocal.

1001
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, hell yeah.

1002
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 3: Then my son has gotten into radio Head because he's

1003
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 3: a Stone College freshman who's majoring in sosh because he's

1004
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 3: not sure what else to do, and so he's been

1005
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 3: listening to the Bens.

1006
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a good starter.

1007
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's the right.

1008
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 3: I'm not a big Radiohead fan, but that's probably their

1009
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:37,479
Speaker 3: most accessible record.

1010
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 2: I think that one an okay, computer like those people.

1011
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 2: Most people can get into this.

1012
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, a radio Head record for people who don't much

1013
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 3: like radio right, yeah, because I mean, what am I gonna.

1014
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna, you know, turn my nose a bit

1015
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 4: high and drive.

1016
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 3: That's love, of course, beautiful. Sure, sure, sure he's gotten me.

1017
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 3: My son's got me into this band called TV Girl.

1018
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: Oh wait, I'm familiar with TV Girl. It's kind of

1019
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 2: a new wavy kind.

1020
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 3: Of but also kind of like you might be thinking

1021
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 3: of TV I ge Girl does sort of a French lounge.

1022
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 2: Sixties things familiar, kind.

1023
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 3: Of sounds like cool cocktail hour, but they also use samples.

1024
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 3: It's a really interesting I don't know who got him,

1025
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 3: if he's anything like his old man. Some cute girl

1026
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 3: introduced him to to this, and that's what he's listening

1027
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 3: to because he knows where his bread is buttered. And

1028
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 3: oh and then everything else, you know, everything else is

1029
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,359
Speaker 3: horror movie scores because I put together a horror movie

1030
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 3: podcast to hand out on a playlist for candy time. Yeah,

1031
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,720
Speaker 3: sitting up front with the speaker and handing out candy

1032
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 3: with like, you know, the Halloween theme going behind me.

1033
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 3: So that's what's what's going on here. My friend is

1034
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 3: in a terrific old fashioned ska band called Hepcat.

1035
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 2: Oh that's a great ska band.

1036
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're they're local. They're not like nineties scot. They

1037
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 3: sound like genuine like late sixties Jamaica Scott.

1038
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 2: That's more my speed of skull. Then you'd like them

1039
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: a lot of Capcat.

1040
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 3: My friend Alex did his era is one of their singers,

1041
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 3: and this stuff is great. They either do authentic covers

1042
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,799
Speaker 3: from that era or stuff that sounds like it was

1043
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 3: written in that era and it's they're they're pretty delightful.

1044
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's that's been what I've been uh.

1045
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 2: Nice to spectrum of music.

1046
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get I like a lot of different I mean,

1047
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 3: I know everyone thinks they're super eclectic, but I I

1048
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 3: I everyone's like, oh, I listened to all times of stuff,

1049
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 3: listen to folk and folk rock. I'm like, okay, but

1050
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 3: I hear things I like in everything. I guess Parto

1051
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 3: is a great example. Actually, your your previous guest, Jimmy Pardo,

1052
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 3: he's great. He and I have seen Patty Lapone together,

1053
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 3: oh wow. But we've also seen Iron Maiden together, and

1054
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 3: because we we uh And when you get down to it,

1055
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 3: there's a lot of heavy metal that is essentially just

1056
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 3: show tunes.

1057
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. I mean the melodies are just that's why

1058
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 2: they're listenable. And then it's just hard music.

1059
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 3: And then they're just and you know, it's just it's

1060
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 3: the same amount of like self importance and grandiosity and

1061
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 3: you know, chest forward singing, and then there's distorted guitars.

1062
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 3: But you know, they're all everyone's taking themselves way too

1063
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 3: fucking seriously.

1064
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 2: I feel like the only difference is the level of

1065
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 2: homophobia in each category.

1066
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 3: That's exactly right, That's exactly right. Yeah yeah, no, I

1067
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 3: but I will I will say this. I do feel

1068
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 3: more comfortable in a Patty Lapona. I feel like these

1069
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 3: are my people. In a Patti lapone audience, I go

1070
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 3: to a Maiden concert. I go to a Maiden concert

1071
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 3: one time. I've seen them a couple of times. I'm

1072
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 3: in the line for the waiting room. It's a massive

1073
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 3: line for the men's room, of course, and the guy

1074
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,439
Speaker 3: behind me looks at me and goes, ugh, oh, it's

1075
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,919
Speaker 3: a huge line for the men's room. And I go,

1076
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 3: except when you're at the theater, except for literally any

1077
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 3: other except any other place in the world, like a

1078
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 3: monster truck round.

1079
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1080
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, except when you're at the theater,

1081
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 3: and just killed that conversation in the crib, just absolutely

1082
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 3: strangled it with his zubilical cord.

1083
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 4: He was done with me. I we I did not

1084
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 4: read that room at all, right, went.

1085
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,760
Speaker 2: What does an Iron Maiden concert like? At this point?

1086
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 3: For those guys, they're up there, they're in their sixties.

1087
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,919
Speaker 3: They sound great, and they have not to my ear,

1088
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 3: because a lot of the older guys have to lower

1089
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 3: their songs a register. Like Philly Jowels had to take

1090
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,919
Speaker 3: his his songs down a key, or not a key,

1091
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 3: but a step so he can still hit the notes

1092
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 3: and make sense of it. They they sound great, their

1093
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 3: audiences meatheads. A lot of their audience is not particularly

1094
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 3: bright and and I don't know, And it's so weird

1095
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 3: because I think that like the guys in Maiden themselves,

1096
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 3: you know, they write songs about Winston Churchill, and they

1097
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 3: write songs about you know, English history and mythology and stuff.

1098
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:47,919
Speaker 3: And you know, they have an eight minute song called

1099
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 3: the Flight of Icarus, which is about the flight of.

1100
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 2: About Yeah, it's not a metaphor.

1101
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,720
Speaker 3: It's just about it's no more a metaphor than Icharus

1102
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 3: himself is, you know.

1103
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 4: And it's very straightforward.

1104
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 3: But they've got these meathead cores, tall boy fans.

1105
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 4: It's fascinating. Wow. Yeah, it's not my crop. But I

1106
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 4: have a good time.

1107
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of course. I feel like anybody would have

1108
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,240
Speaker 2: a good time at that show. I can't imagine it's boring.

1109
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 2: They're not dragging you through anything.

1110
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 3: Dull.

1111
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 4: I've already forgotten lace curtains.

1112
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 2: Lace curtains, lace, so good, okay, everybody should we love

1113
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,760
Speaker 2: lace curtains. Well, did you do you have a favorite

1114
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 2: Ish band? I know that's a hard question.

1115
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 4: That's a really tough one. I mean, what.

1116
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 2: Band have you probably listened to the most?

1117
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 4: Well, there's a couple.

1118
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,640
Speaker 3: I mean, if you go my whole life, it's it's

1119
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 3: probably it's probably the Ramones. They've been such a huge

1120
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 3: part of my life because they were my intro to

1121
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 3: punk rock. They were essentially a local band when I

1122
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 3: was in high school. Oh, I could see him. I

1123
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 3: could see him.

1124
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 4: Once a year.

1125
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 3: Wow, and that was kind of cool. I got to

1126
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 3: see them when Dedie was still on bass, and that

1127
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 3: was cool. They were They were, I mean ridiculous live.

1128
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,480
Speaker 3: They were like thirty sons in an hour and then

1129
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 3: three encores.

1130
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 2: And I can't imagine much bent but between something just

1131
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 2: blowing through.

1132
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 3: One too before, go one more, one too before. It

1133
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 3: was really intense, but really fun. And it was also

1134
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 3: a wonderful thing because you know, they would play even

1135
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 3: though they were a local band. They would only play

1136
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 3: like the larger clubs. You could get up close. You

1137
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 3: could get up close at a Ramone show, and the

1138
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 3: pit was it was a pit, but it wasn't as

1139
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 3: gnarly as some of like the hardcore bands, where you

1140
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 3: could actually get injured. Like I could wear glasses and

1141
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 3: get up to the front of a Ramone show and

1142
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 3: be okay.

1143
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 2: That's a figure.

1144
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1145
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 3: It was perfect energy for us, and they just they

1146
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 3: just had like a sense of humor and an aggression,

1147
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 3: and they were an entree to so many other bands

1148
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 3: that also had a sense of humor. I think one

1149
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 3: of the reasons punk rock is is so important to

1150
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 3: me is is it's so funny, and I think people

1151
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 3: don't realize how funny it is.

1152
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 4: But there were.

1153
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 3: Just just the silly details in Ramone songs like I

1154
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 3: met her at the Burger king fell love, fell in

1155
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 3: love by the soda Machine. Oh oh, I love her

1156
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 3: so so great. I just yeah, they just they were

1157
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 3: they were my band. Now I want to sniff some glue.

1158
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 3: I've written about this before because it's such an important

1159
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,439
Speaker 3: song for me. I love the now in that line,

1160
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 3: because they have a lot, they have a lot of

1161
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 3: I wanna songs, right, but they have Now I want

1162
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 3: to sniff some glue, Like this is this is an

1163
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 3: action item I have to get to today. It's like

1164
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 3: on a checklist, exactly like I went and I got

1165
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 3: some groceries, the laundry. Did laundry change that light bulb

1166
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,719
Speaker 3: that's been flickering in the kitchen. Now I want to

1167
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 3: stiff So it just the that level of smart, stupid,

1168
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 3: I think, is what I'm trying to get at. It

1169
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 3: was was hugely influential for me in everything I do.

1170
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 3: And then I also loved because when I started acting,

1171
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,240
Speaker 3: I just had like I started going out for auditions.

1172
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 3: I had like three improv classes under my belt.

1173
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 2: That's incredible.

1174
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,799
Speaker 3: And I had some you know, I had you know,

1175
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 3: I had acted on a friend's student film, but like

1176
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,280
Speaker 3: a friend had just been like, here, play this part.

1177
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 2: In a friend's student film.

1178
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. So it wasn't like I had to

1179
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 3: audition and really put myself out there. Was just sort

1180
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 3: of handed to me. But the Ramones taught me that

1181
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 3: you can get out there and do a thing before

1182
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 3: you were entirely sure what you're doing exactly, which is

1183
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 3: anthem a lot of acting teachers, you know, but like

1184
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 3: those guys really didn't know what they were doing when

1185
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 3: they started Dido sex Pistoles did O Clash, And I

1186
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 3: find that very inspiring.

1187
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 2: Always have right kind of basically shoot for the target

1188
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 2: and have a nice time exactly.

1189
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 3: All from the Clash had the notes written on the

1190
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 3: neck of his bass apparently.

1191
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 2: This, oh well, this is a good tip for me.

1192
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have no shame a sharp you'll stay on

1193
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 3: and and and that's how he taught himself base and

1194
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:41,760
Speaker 3: I love that story.

1195
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: Oh that's great. Wow, I really may do that now. Interesting. Yeah,

1196
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 2: I can't have a band who takes itself too seriously

1197
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 2: or who is too good. No, absolutely, I'm immediately bored. Yeah, sure,

1198
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 2: good for you. Have you took lessons and you committed yourself.

1199
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 2: But that's not how I do anything.

1200
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 3: To circle back to Rush for a moment, Oh, you know,

1201
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 3: there's obviously there's there's there's a great deal of talent

1202
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 3: in that band, and there's even some good songwriting when

1203
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:09,280
Speaker 3: they can keep it under three minutes.

1204
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:14,439
Speaker 2: But there's such show offs. There's such show offs.

1205
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 3: I don't need to be trying to cuosity and technique

1206
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:22,479
Speaker 3: rather than really connecting with me, you know, yes, and

1207
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 3: uh yeah.

1208
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 2: This is a constant problem with my boyfriend and I

1209
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 2: who he is, like a truly excellent born natural singer trained,

1210
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 2: But when I'm in charge of music in the car,

1211
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 2: NonStop complaints about the singing.

1212
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 4: Oh dear, what he was to do? Is he a

1213
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 4: show tune guy? Is he?

1214
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 2: I mean, who knows what's happening with his music? Taste?

1215
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 2: He did. He's on Broadway, so he listened to a

1216
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 2: lot of musical theater, but ed then pop music. But

1217
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 2: before I picked on Broadway. Currently, Yes, spam a lot

1218
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 2: just started like two nights ago. Yes, I kind of

1219
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 2: know taran Oh Tarren was on the show recently, right that.

1220
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 4: I think that's on that Wait, what's your boyfriend saying?

1221
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 2: This is Jimmy' Smagoula.

1222
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 3: It's Magoula. That's actually I feel like I've seen that

1223
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 3: in print in a play. I mean, it's a wild

1224
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 3: name because there's another thing I also. I mean, as

1225
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,399
Speaker 3: I've made clear, I also dig show tunes a lot.

1226
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 3: I grew up in the theater, right right, I grew

1227
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 3: up like two blocks you know, the world in some aspects. Yeah,

1228
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 3: I'm not a I'm not a practitioner of Broadway musicals,

1229
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 3: but I'm a huge fan and I follow it. And

1230
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 3: I particularly like the early cast albums where maybe people

1231
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 3: weren't the best singers.

1232
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 2: That's all I want. I want someone to sound like

1233
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 2: a human being.

1234
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 3: I want someone to He's no doubt told you the

1235
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 3: Glennis John Send in the Clowns story. No, you know

1236
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 3: sending the clowns from my music, right so Glennis John's

1237
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:42,719
Speaker 3: plays this role and she's you know, she's the mom

1238
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 3: and Mary poppinsis forget you know, she's a fun actor

1239
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 3: and a great comedian. Maybe not the best singer. But

1240
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 3: they realize they got to give her something an act too.

1241
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 3: They're in previews in New Haven or Boston, and sometimes like,

1242
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 3: I got to give her something in act too. She

1243
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 3: needs like an eleven o'clock number that'll really like tie

1244
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 3: the whole show together. He goes home and he writes,

1245
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 3: send in the Clowns. And what's brilliant about sending the

1246
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 3: clowns is that every line ends with a hard consonant.

1247
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 3: So there's no way, even if she wanted to, she

1248
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:14,919
Speaker 3: could hold a note. Oh wow, isn't it ritch hair

1249
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 3: last on the ground? You in mid air?

1250
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 5: Wow?

1251
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:21,879
Speaker 3: So you can if you aren't a singer, you can

1252
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,720
Speaker 3: handle that song and give it a little extra something.

1253
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 3: But it's also fine if you just hit the notes

1254
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 3: and can't hold them. I need Why couldn't Sondheime just

1255
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 3: write for you? Write one song for me? I know, right,

1256
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 3: And it's too late. Yeah wow, I promise Eddie Smagula

1257
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 3: knows that story.

1258
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 2: Jimmy, Sorry, Eddie smagg Eddie Smagula is a very funny

1259
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 2: take on Jimmy' smagula. Though I'm gonna sorry calling him Medicans.

1260
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 3: Feel like that's like the Mad Magazine version of his

1261
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 3: real name. That's a I'm so sorry, don't APOLOGI does

1262
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 3: he listen to your podcast or is he get enough.

1263
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 4: For you at home?

1264
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 2: It'll be a good uh, We'll find out. We have

1265
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 2: to put these tests in podcasts and find out who

1266
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 2: really loves it.

1267
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 4: This will be like a little landmine for him.

1268
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 2: I'm prossing names off the list constantly. The people who

1269
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 2: love me is down to probably four people at that's amazing.

1270
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 2: So we'll see what jim has to say or Eddie. Well,

1271
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 2: I think we should play a game. Okay, let's hon

1272
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 2: a lease is today gift Master? Oh I'm a professional.

1273
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 2: I have to remember which game we played last time,

1274
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 2: and it's never easy for me. Okay, I need to

1275
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 2: number between one and ten from you six. Okay, I

1276
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 2: have to do some light calculating. So while I'm doing this,

1277
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,479
Speaker 2: you can promote recommend. I guess you can't promote TV

1278
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 2: or anything right now, but you can recommend certainly. I'll

1279
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 2: be right back.

1280
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 4: Oh, okay, great.

1281
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 3: The only thing I have going on actually is completely

1282
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 3: safe for me to promote because it's in equity show.

1283
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 3: I wrote a play that is going to debut. It's

1284
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 3: gonna have its world premiere at the Odyssey Theater in

1285
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 3: January of twenty twenty four, called Brushstroke. It is a

1286
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 3: cold War thriller comedy that I wrote. We've got Malcolm

1287
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 3: Barrett and James Urbaniac attached to star. I'm really excited

1288
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 3: about Casey Stangele, who is an esteemed LA Theater director,

1289
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 3: is a directing. It is not a musical, but boy,

1290
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 3: would I love to write one someday That would be cool.

1291
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1292
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 3: So Brushstroke coming to the Odyssey Theater January of twenty

1293
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 3: twenty four.

1294
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 2: How exciting.

1295
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 4: I'm excited.

1296
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 2: That's uh wait, is this the first one you've written.

1297
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 3: No, I actually wrote to play a few years ago

1298
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 3: about the Ramones.

1299
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 2: You're kidding.

1300
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 3: The Ramones recorded an album with Phil Spector producing.

1301
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 2: Familiar with a Gun.

1302
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was called Four Chords and a Gun and

1303
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 3: it's played a few cities. Actually, I wouldn't call it

1304
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 3: a hit necessarily, but it got picked up by a

1305
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 3: couple of regional theaters. And there was a there was

1306
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 3: a Toronto production, there was a Chicago production. It was

1307
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 3: a good experience. It was something I had to write.

1308
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 3: It got mixed reviews, but I regret nothing. It's such

1309
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 3: a It struck me as a great story for a

1310
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 3: play because it's mostly takes place in this studio, you know,

1311
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 3: it's all like in this one sort of And when

1312
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 3: it doesn't take place in the studio, you can just

1313
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 3: sort of set up cording office section of the stage,

1314
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 3: and that's a different place, you know, And it's it's

1315
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 3: a little six hander. And everything went wrong during the

1316
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 3: recording of that album, Dedie relapsed, the singer broke.

1317
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 4: Up with his girlfriend, the girlfriend hooked up with the guitarist. Absolutely.

1318
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 3: Phil Spector was being Phil Spector the whole time. So

1319
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 3: it's a I think it's a good topic for a drama,

1320
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 3: and no one else was doing it, so I.

1321
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 2: Wrote it's smart. I want to be in this. I

1322
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 2: want to play Phil Spector. So you play Phil Spector.

1323
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 4: You might be too tall.

1324
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 2: How tall was Phil Spector?

1325
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 3: He's a wee little creature. I didn't know that wood sprite, Yeah, yeah,

1326
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 3: little wood sprite.

1327
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 4: But I love that. You'd be great in that.

1328
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 2: Phil Spector, Why was your Yiddish the one?

1329
00:59:55,200 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 3: This, this tripped up the this tripped up the Toronto

1330
00:59:58,160 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 3: production somewhat.

1331
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,320
Speaker 2: Don't say wow.

1332
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 4: I guess a smattering of Yiddish throughout that was that was.

1333
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, I uh, let me just help

1334
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 3: out here where I can here.

1335
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that tracks that he was a small person.

1336
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, there was a lot of There was some

1337
01:00:14,560 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 3: hardcore Napoleon Commons. Right, I'm looking up your fella as

1338
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:19,959
Speaker 3: we speak.

1339
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's find out the height. I'm gonna guess now

1340
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 2: that you've said that, five.

1341
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:25,680
Speaker 4: Four, I feel like you're right.

1342
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 2: I'm very good at estimating. Okay, five five five five

1343
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 2: going over with hair or without?

1344
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 4: That's the big Well, that's the question. The picture is

1345
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 4: with him in the trial.

1346
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 2: That he might be three feet tall, and then the

1347
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 2: hair is the other two feet?

1348
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1349
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, God, Atlanta Clarkson was six feet. The one he

1350
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 3: killed was six feet. Jesuz crazy Now, and when he

1351
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 3: felt threatened? Has any ever thought about that?

1352
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 2: Maelf?

1353
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 4: Defense? Clear at all?

1354
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 2: I mean he had no other red flags and no, no, I.

1355
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 3: Mean the guy and you know and and and loved

1356
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 3: by all. Oh yeah, I know this guy. I know

1357
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 3: your fucking boyfriend. Look at this qtie.

1358
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh sure.

1359
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 2: Oh sure, an Italian wacko.

1360
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 3: I love him. I love this guy. What a goddamn delight. Yeah,

1361
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 3: I'm sure I've seen him in things also five to five?

1362
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 4: Is he really?

1363
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 3: No?

1364
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 4: That's not true. How I'm not hilarious.

1365
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 2: I'm definitely told. Okay, let's play this game. This game

1366
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 2: is called Gift Master. I'm gonna name three gifts, three

1367
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 2: things you can give away, experiences, items, what have you.

1368
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 2: And then I'm gonna name three celebrities. You can tell

1369
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 2: me which celebrity you would give which gift and why

1370
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 2: it makes perfect sense.

1371
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 4: No, I got it. I'm all set.

1372
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 2: The gifts you'll be giving today are Number one, a

1373
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 2: quiet evening at home that sounds nice. Number two, this

1374
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 2: is actually kind of a collaboration with a listener. Mary

1375
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 2: suggested I had posted something to Instagram from a tabloid

1376
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 2: headline that said special bond with granddaughter. So she suggests

1377
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 2: that could be a gift and Gift Master, so the

1378
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 2: gift will be a special bond with their granddaughter. And

1379
01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 2: number three is tickets for two to the Haunted Hay

1380
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 2: Ride Okay, another great gift, yea, we've got.

1381
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 3: What's great about getting that as a gift is that

1382
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 3: it really isn't quite worth the money.

1383
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 4: But if you get it for free, by.

1384
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm yeah. I would never do it for twenty dollars.

1385
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 2: The three people you'll give them to are number one

1386
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 2: Jude Law, Number two hate to say it, Candice Cameron

1387
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 2: Burer okay, and number three Medusa mythological creature.

1388
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 4: Sure, okay, these are all really good questions. Good good,

1389
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 4: there are really good questions.

1390
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 3: I feel like Jude Law would be a good sport

1391
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 3: and would also enjoy a free night in Griffith Park

1392
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 3: at the Haunted hay Ride.

1393
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 2: I can see him bumping along on that wagon and just.

1394
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 4: Kind of having a good laugh and enjoying himself.

1395
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 3: I know some people who have I think I know

1396
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 3: anyone's worked with him, but I know some people who've

1397
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 3: met him. Apparently a pretty pretty chill guy for a

1398
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 3: serious British actor, you know, kind of a sense of

1399
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,959
Speaker 3: humor and pretty down to earth.

1400
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 2: Oh that's wonderful.

1401
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm gonna I'm gonna give him the Haunted

1402
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 3: hay Ride. Okay, I want Candice Cameron viewer to have

1403
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 3: a quiet night at home without her phone so she

1404
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 3: can't post anything.

1405
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 4: I want her to really get home.

1406
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 3: I want her to really zen out and just enjoy

1407
01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 3: her enormous family and just stay put and do that.

1408
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 3: And then I worry that Medusa doesn't get enough family time.

1409
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 3: So I want her to have a bonding moment with

1410
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 3: her granddaughter. And I'm assuming she God, I just went

1411
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 3: to such a weird place. I'm like, Okay, who gets

1412
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 3: Medusa pregnant? Well, anybody can get Medusa pregnant if they

1413
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 3: do her from behind.

1414
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,600
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I don't know that this has ever

1415
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 2: been thought about, and it probably needed to happen Scots.

1416
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 3: Literally a four thousand year old legend. Someone has covered

1417
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 3: the idea of Like, no, it's I know you don't

1418
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 3: want to turn the stone, so you do her from behind? Obviously,

1419
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 3: Jesus Perseus, Do I have to think of everything? Yeah,

1420
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 3: So I think I want. I want Medusa to have

1421
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 3: a nice bonding moment with her grandchildren.

1422
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 4: She must have a couple.

1423
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 2: If this fun, Grandma Medusa, h huh, that's what I want.

1424
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 2: Going to Grandma Medusa's house.

1425
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 4: You'll wear a welder's helmet, and you'll make it work.

1426
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 2: Maybe going out for ice cream, who knows, But I

1427
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 2: think that's beautifully given.

1428
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 3: I think that that worked really well. Yeah, I think

1429
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 3: I got great options. Whoever your listeners are, I want

1430
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 3: to thank them, because.

1431
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 2: Well, only one, Let's be very clear, most of this

1432
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 2: is from me. Only Mary gets some credit here. The

1433
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 2: listener gets credit all the time. Okay, okay, listener, don't

1434
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 2: try to stolen valor. No, no, no, stay where you are.

1435
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 4: This is I think.

1436
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 3: But I love that. I think those were great, choicest

1437
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 3: of fun with it.

1438
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, beautifully, perfectly played. You're obviously very good at giving gifts. Okay.

1439
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 2: This is the last last segment of the podcast. It's

1440
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 2: called I said no emails. People write into I Said

1441
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 2: No gifts at gmail dot com desperate for answers. They

1442
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 2: have all kinds questions.

1443
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 3: Which basically question, is rosan bar at Hotmail still available?

1444
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 3: Is it's still active?

1445
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 4: Check?

1446
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 2: Look? Can you get wow?

1447
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 4: Could you have a hot mail.

1448
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 2: Exist as a thing?

1449
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 3: Like I'm going to assume that Prodigy and CompuServe are

1450
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 3: not around anymore.

1451
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 2: But hotmail feels like it might be hanging It might

1452
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 2: be hanging on it was web based.

1453
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 3: I feel like it might not be out of the

1454
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,120
Speaker 3: question for there to still be a couple of people

1455
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 3: hanging around.

1456
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 2: There, right or is it more now just kind of

1457
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 2: an idea, like heaven, it's who knows hot mail? We

1458
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 2: should look into hot mail. I feel like they went

1459
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:35,520
Speaker 2: to MSN.

1460
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 4: That's right they did. That's right hot Mail.

1461
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 2: If somebody told me their email was at hot mail,

1462
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 2: I mean, everything would fall apart from me, is what

1463
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 2: I thought of them as a person.

1464
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 4: If they're over like seventy, you'd let it slide.

1465
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 2: You available. I just checked it is available.

1466
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 4: Not available?

1467
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 2: A right, you still have it? Wait, oh, rose enbar

1468
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 2: at hotmail is not available.

1469
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 5: It's not available.

1470
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,240
Speaker 2: But Hotmail as a service it is.

1471
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 5: But it's under the umbrella of MSN.

1472
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 4: So I look.

1473
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 5: So if you look it up here, it's like they

1474
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 5: let you choose if you want an MSN account.

1475
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 2: Wow. Interesting, that's the difference between them and Gmail. Gmail

1476
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 2: gives you nothing, nothing.

1477
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have no options, but.

1478
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 2: Nobody can have roseannebar at hotmail dot com. Apparently I've

1479
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 2: still got that. I should get it and look at

1480
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 2: that and see what these emails I was writing as

1481
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 2: a seventh grader.

1482
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 3: I would love to your inbox looks like at this

1483
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 3: point too, I'm more than a little curious.

1484
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 4: I think that's a special episode.

1485
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 3: Actually you don't have a guest, then you just crack

1486
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 3: open that email account.

1487
01:06:38,600 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 2: Just take a look at the last ten years. I mean,

1488
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 2: how many decades of emails is that. That's a dusty archive.

1489
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,400
Speaker 2: That's a tomb. That's the kind of a king tut

1490
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 2: of email. But you know people write into the email. Sure,

1491
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,040
Speaker 2: I of course I'm helping people out all the time,

1492
01:06:56,120 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 2: on podcasts, off podcasts. I'm just you lose. I live

1493
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 2: to serve, big heart. Will you help me answer a

1494
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 2: listener question? Okay, sure, okay, let's get into this and

1495
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 2: immediately it just says Bridger. It doesn't even include you,

1496
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 2: which is rough. I have a travel etiquette question, and

1497
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 2: you're sure to be the only one with the answer. Okay.

1498
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:18,800
Speaker 2: Your guests all might also be helpful, but given their

1499
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 2: rudeness bringing you a gift, I doubt it. Okay, so

1500
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,919
Speaker 2: now they're disqualifying you. This person's all over the map

1501
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 2: with you as a guest. What is the right thing

1502
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 2: to do when flying with friends and family who don't

1503
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 2: have pre check? When you do, do you leave them

1504
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 2: behind and enjoy keeping your shoes on, or do you

1505
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 2: join them in the terrible lines. Thank you in advance

1506
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 2: for your wisdom. And that's from Susie, Susie, Susie, Susie, Susie,

1507
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 2: Susie Susie.

1508
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1509
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 3: I mean, I have my first instinct is you leave

1510
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 3: them behind and keep.

1511
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 2: Your shoes on. But I realize that's vaguely classiest. You know,

1512
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 2: your draw a class line, even within your family.

1513
01:07:59,000 --> 01:07:59,919
Speaker 4: Apparently I am.

1514
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a fucking afford pre Check, but I can't

1515
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 3: presume that everyone's. I mean, I have a cousin who's

1516
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 3: a lawyer, she can afford pre check, she probably has it.

1517
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 3: But then I've got people in my family who maybe

1518
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 3: can't afford pre check, And you know, do I tough call.

1519
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 2: Well, now you've got an idea for a Christmas present

1520
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:18,879
Speaker 2: for them?

1521
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 3: Give them pre check pre check. What a great gift,

1522
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:24,480
Speaker 3: actually a phenomenal gift. I mean, that is a phenomenal.

1523
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,520
Speaker 2: I feel like we've for the first time on this podcast,

1524
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 2: after thousands of hours, we've thought of one good gift idea.

1525
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,599
Speaker 4: That is a really thoughtful, oh awtful.

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01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 3: So it's an excellent thing to have, No God, yes,

1527
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:37,640
Speaker 3: but I'm always baffled why more people don't have it.

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01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 2: It's I think it's about eighty dollars. Yeah, for a

1529
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 2: long time.

1530
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, for a long time. And you also, I mean

1531
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:44,080
Speaker 4: you have to, you have to.

1532
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 3: You can't surprise them with it because they will need

1533
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 3: to submit to a background check and all the other.

1534
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 2: Stuff, and you might uncover some things about them, and

1535
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 2: you don't want to.

1536
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 4: Know that's true. Too.

1537
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 3: They have a felony in another country, you know, they can,

1538
01:08:55,720 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 3: they can, you know, never go back to Argentina. But

1539
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think it's a case by case scenario.

1540
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 3: You don't leave your older relatives with the commoners. You

1541
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 3: should probably take the hit and walk with them and

1542
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 3: take your shoes off and take off your watch and

1543
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 3: do that other stuff.

1544
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 4: But if it's if it's.

1545
01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 3: Your peer group, if it's people you're roughly your age,

1546
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:21,320
Speaker 3: close siblings, stuff like that, fuck him, you'll see him

1547
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 3: at bat, You'll see him at the gate.

1548
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 4: You know, I don't know, what do you think?

1549
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 2: How is anyone going to learn a lesson if you're

1550
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:27,599
Speaker 2: coddling them?

1551
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:28,879
Speaker 4: That's a really good points.

1552
01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 2: Sorry, I got this thing watch me. I'm demonstrating how

1553
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:37,720
Speaker 2: easy it is. Absolutely, next time you fly, remember me

1554
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 2: before you do all of your planning and go get

1555
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:44,640
Speaker 2: your own PreCheck. If you stand in line with these people, these.

1556
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 3: People, these people, these peasants, these philistines.

1557
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 2: You I mean, you're not only soullying your good name,

1558
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 2: you're not allowing them to learn.

1559
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 4: That's a really good point.

1560
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 2: So you can't just love. I've got my pre check.

1561
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 2: I can't be seen in the regular line anymore. I

1562
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 2: step out of my limo into the preaching.

1563
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:05,439
Speaker 4: Absolutely. Absolutely, You're lucky.

1564
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 2: I'm in the back of the line. Lucky.

1565
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 4: I'm even flying commercial upon.

1566
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 2: The only reason I'm doing this is because I'm concerned

1567
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 2: about the environment.

1568
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 4: That's it. That's the only reason. Otherwise electric leer with.

1569
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 2: It several behind me, just for the for the entourage inspect. No,

1570
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 2: you can't. You have to leave them behind. It's I mean,

1571
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 2: it's so clear to me. Okay, the fact that Susie

1572
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 2: even wrote in with this question makes me question what's

1573
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 2: wrong with Susie.

1574
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 3: Well, I think Susie's trying to be kind to her family. Oh,

1575
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 3: I mean, and that's good for you on that front.

1576
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 4: Susie.

1577
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 3: You know, I think you've got a big heart, but

1578
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 3: maybe it's too big, and maybe you need to set

1579
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:43,160
Speaker 3: some boundaries.

1580
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 2: Maybe Susie's weak.

1581
01:10:45,880 --> 01:10:47,639
Speaker 4: It's a rather rough take.

1582
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 2: It's got a lot of evidence, and we'll just kind

1583
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:56,959
Speaker 2: of brand Susie as a weak person and she's spoiling

1584
01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 2: her family and just damaging everything in her life.

1585
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 4: Roughly lose a listener a week, would you say, give

1586
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 4: or take?

1587
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 2: No, we're yes, okay, I mean the truth is we

1588
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 2: are bleeding listeners at this point. Yes, yes, I mean

1589
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 2: I think we have one listener at this point. So,

1590
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 2: and it was probably Susie closed the door on your

1591
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 2: way out. The podcast is over, oh dear, unfortunately, But

1592
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:28,560
Speaker 2: I'll eventually learn a lesson as well. I have to

1593
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:30,839
Speaker 2: learn by having my podcast canceled.

1594
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:33,639
Speaker 4: Life is just a serious of lessons.

1595
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 2: It's a lesson after a lesson. But we answered the

1596
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 2: question perfectly.

1597
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 4: I think so too.

1598
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:39,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's nothing else we could have said

1599
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 2: to Susie.

1600
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 3: I always feel like the majority says, I know, there's

1601
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 3: only two of us. But given I was kind of

1602
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 3: waffling and I was kind of on the fence and

1603
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 3: qualified it a little bit. I think we're seventy five percent.

1604
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:54,160
Speaker 3: Leave those losers at in the regular line. No, half

1605
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 3: of me and all of you, So seventy five percent.

1606
01:11:57,160 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 3: We have a clear three quarters majority. Yeah, there's just

1607
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 3: there's there's no time for these these jag offs who

1608
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 3: won't get pre check as.

1609
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 2: Far as I'm concerned, word at one hundred and fifty percent.

1610
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 2: Leave them behind, leave them in the dust, Get on

1611
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,720
Speaker 2: the plane, tell the plane to take off. I don't

1612
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 2: I don't remember anybody else being back there. I think

1613
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 2: we're fall close the doors.

1614
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:20,160
Speaker 4: Fuck him and Joyce Sparrows.

1615
01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 2: We all need a slice. Okay, Susie, thank you for

1616
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:28,719
Speaker 2: writing in. We've answered the question. I've got this beautiful

1617
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:33,480
Speaker 2: T shirt David Bowie phony in this T shirt. Essentially,

1618
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 2: people are gonna be calling me out constantly. You can

1619
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:36,919
Speaker 2: not authentic.

1620
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 3: Can you name three albums I could easily answer you.

1621
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 3: I don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Don't

1622
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:43,840
Speaker 3: don't let some fun that's the question. Yeah, don't let

1623
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 3: some mean spirited boomer get up in your grill about this.

1624
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 2: I feel like there's still part of my brain from

1625
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 2: probably sixth to tenth grade that has the fear that

1626
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 2: somebody's gonna call me on this sort of thing. Oh really,

1627
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 2: who's your favorite band name? Three albums? That sort of Yeah,

1628
01:12:58,080 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 2: that is just not happening in the adult world.

1629
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 4: No, it shouldn't. It shouldn't.

1630
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 3: It does still occasionally for you. I every once in

1631
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 3: a while, someone will will will call out I have

1632
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:12,800
Speaker 3: a couple of ramone shirts and somebody will call that

1633
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:14,080
Speaker 3: out and go, yeah, where'd you get that?

1634
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 4: Looks new? I'm like, it is new, it must be.

1635
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 4: It is new.

1636
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:19,680
Speaker 3: My old one is my my first romote shirt is

1637
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 3: literally framed in my house because you can't wear it anymore.

1638
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 4: It won't survive one more item.

1639
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, it has my name written on the back because

1640
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 3: I took it to camp with me.

1641
01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 4: Oh so yeah, so I So people get a little.

1642
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,800
Speaker 3: Snippy, and I'm like, well it's you know, I saw

1643
01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 3: them when when Dedie was still in the band.

1644
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 4: So stop talking. I'm a gazillion years old.

1645
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:46,120
Speaker 2: Scare you perfect answer to that question at any point, Well,

1646
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:48,120
Speaker 2: this has been a wonderful time. This is great.

1647
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:50,439
Speaker 3: I can't believe we're just meeting. I know, I feel

1648
01:13:50,479 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 3: weird about that, and I this went so smoothly. I

1649
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:55,720
Speaker 3: feel like I could have gone horribly. It could have

1650
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:59,640
Speaker 3: gone horrible. You never know, you never know, you never know.

1651
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,759
Speaker 3: Somebody could be awful. But you're obviously incredible. You're great

1652
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:05,040
Speaker 3: and this and at least you're great. I like your

1653
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 3: whole energy. I dig everything. I like the Bowie tattoo.

1654
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:10,720
Speaker 3: I like the Roxy music.

1655
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:11,920
Speaker 2: Sche Roxy music.

1656
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:12,400
Speaker 4: It's great.

1657
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 3: I am lovely home, lovely back, really nice.

1658
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:19,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, here we are. It's the end of the podcast.

1659
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, Thank you for being here and listener.

1660
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:24,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I hope that you've been listening for the

1661
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 2: last few seconds and have kind of figured out this

1662
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 2: is the end of the podcast. Otherwise you're in for

1663
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 2: a horrible surprise. The podcast is over. I love you, goodbye.

1664
01:14:39,240 --> 01:14:42,360
Speaker 2: I said No Gifts is an exactly right production. It's

1665
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 2: produced by our dear friend on Elise Nilson, and it's

1666
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 2: beautifully mixed by Ben Tolliday. And we couldn't do it

1667
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:52,639
Speaker 2: without our guest booker, Patrick Kottner. The theme song, of course,

1668
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 2: could only come from miracle worker Amy Man. You must

1669
01:14:57,120 --> 01:15:00,000
Speaker 2: follow the show on Instagram. At I said No Gifts,

1670
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear any excuses. That's where you

1671
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,799
Speaker 2: get to see pictures of all these gorgeous gifts I'm getting.

1672
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 2: And don't you want to see pictures of the gifts?

1673
01:15:08,520 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 1: And I invited you, hear, I thought, I made myself

1674
01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 1: perfectly clear. When you're a guess to my home, you

1675
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 1: gotta come to me empty. And I said, no guests.

1676
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 1: Your own presences presents enough that I already had too

1677
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 1: much stuff. So how do you dare to surbey me?