WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: Salli Richardson-Whitfield 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:00.400 Quests. 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:07.200 Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. Can we start 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:10.039 the theme? Steve, You're ready? 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:13.039 Bill? You're ready? Why are you ready? 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:13.600 I'm ready? 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:21.440 Let's do it. Oh that's out forward. Yeah for it. 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:33.800 Supremo Roll came Supremo, Supremo. Role came Supremo, Supremo, Supremat Supremo. 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:37.839 What love is my name? Yeah, Supreme is the squad 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:40.480 Yeah region. 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:45.880 Yeah, suprem Supremo. 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:52.800 Roll came Supremo Supremo. My name is Fante. Yeah, I'm 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:53.760 in my prime. 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:54.400 Yeah. 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:58.600 Shout out to Sally. Yeah, we need some more winning time. 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:01.600 So sup. 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:06.479 Supremo Suprivo roll Call. 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:10.560 My name is Sugar Yeah, and we and Cali Yeah, 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:13.920 and I am so glad that rhymes with Sally. 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:22.039 Rivall. 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:24.839 I'm unpaid Bill, Yeah, and. 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:25.640 Hold the phone. 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:26.319 Yeah. 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:31.000 Shout out to our guests and her tailbone. 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:39.039 Suprivo roll suprivavs like. 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:41.320 Yeah, that's here to teach. 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:51.120 Yeah if I was damn Yeah, this is a firseprimo roll. 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:54.320 Sup roll. 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:55.520 My name is Sally. 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:56.200 Yeah. 0:01:56.440 --> 0:02:00.280 They call me Mustang yeah because. 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:08.360 Yeah, you got that thing thing. 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:19.640 So Supremo Suprema So so somo. 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:21.360 Don't feel mad. I have done that many times. 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:24.360 That was over soon, he's done. 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:24.359 I've done. 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:25.799 Sally's here to teach. 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:28.960 I came for class like no, I got class like 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:31.040 Angela and a mouth like peaches. 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:37.160 Damn. Yeah, it was like Angela in the mouth. 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:39.320 Like anyhow. 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:44.040 Anywhere rhythm and rapping. 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:45.359 Yeah, we were in trouble. 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:46.160 I'm all right. 0:02:46.520 --> 0:02:52.840 So this is another uh Los Angeles in person in 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:56.680 studio quest love Supreme love in person. Yeah, in person, 0:02:57.240 --> 0:03:00.840 it's it's my favorite type of tapings that we do. 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:04.560 I enjoy it. It's amazing. Anything else. 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:07.640 I'm looking at you, Bill anyway. 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:08.680 I'm just having me here. 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:10.080 We never get to do this. We always do this 0:03:10.080 --> 0:03:12.440 on us in person? Is weird to be? I love? 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:16.800 I love being in person. No, we're here especially, I 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:19.359 know you have. 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:24.840 To ask Afield. I'm sorry. DeAndre gonna go home in trouble. 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:26.600 We just. 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:32.600 Decided to call him DeAndre right now, call him Robert Andre. 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:38.960 Get me in trouble, all right, No, talk us through that. 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:40.560 He will talks. 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:44.520 We've been calling him Robert forever. 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:49.320 Literally, he probably that's worse. That's not as bad as DeAndre. 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:54.280 People call him Robert still from absolutely absolutely. 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:54.640 I'm so sorry. 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:56.320 Andre Andre Andre. 0:03:57.560 --> 0:03:59.680 We're already getting off the shaky start, all right. 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:02.440 So look, the I would say the order of the 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:06.280 day for this podcast is we often talk about pivots, 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:09.920 pivots in terms of where we were creatively at the 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:12.920 beginning of our career, towards where we've. 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:15.720 Learned that idiom from LL cool J taking walks to the. 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:19.240 Light, you know, And so I will say that that's 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:22.400 a major theme of this program, and of course our 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:26.359 guest today, I believe in bodies sort of that motion. 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:30.120 We first fell in love with her as an actress 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:34.960 and many a classic film a name like Posse Low Down, 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:35.600 Dirty Shame. 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:43.600 Uh eureka, right, I have so many questions about that exactly. 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:45.960 I do want this to be the low down, Dirty 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:51.080 tribute program. Not to mention, you know, I am legend 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:56.760 just countless of sitcoms and dramas and whatnot, which basically 0:04:56.839 --> 0:05:00.920 leads to her calling as an executive producer and a director. 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.840 Sitting in that director's chairs, it's mighty a task that 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:08.160 you know isn't for the faint hearted. And I will 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:12.320 say that between her directing on Queen Sugar, one of 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:17.160 my favorite programs, by the way, not to mention scandal 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:24.760 Luke Cage, I'm so wow, right exactly Blackish, the shy 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:29.960 not to mention winning time, the story of the classic 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:33.560 era of the Los Angeles Lakers, and right now we're 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:37.640 celebrating the guilted age and we're going to talk pivots, 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:42.440 the art of storytelling, and just her journey creatively. 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:45.280 And I would. 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:49.880 Like to welcome to quest Love Supreme without stutterying, Sally Richardson, 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:54.640 you look at me. 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:57.760 I gave you that look. 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:03.000 I know, yeah, like I already felt the pressure, right, yes, no, 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:07.000 Please welcome Sally Richardson Whitfield to Questions. 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:10.239 Thank you so much for having me. I'm really excited 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:11.080 about being here. 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:14.120 Well for startists, for those that don't know you. Where 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:15.600 are you from? Where were you born? 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:19.440 I'm from Chicago, part of Chicago, south side of Chicago. 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:23.520 Is everyone really from the south side between Detroit and Chicago. 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.960 If you black, you mostly from the south side of Chicago, 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:31.760 unless maybe the West Side. You're from the west to 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:32.599 the south side. 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.719 So I'm assuming that the south is the realest. 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:39.280 End quote, because it is Chicago. As much as I 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:42.600 love it can be a segregated area. And we didn't 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:44.520 grow up with you know, we didn't we didn't grow 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:47.520 up with a lot of money. And you know, so 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:49.360 you're on the South side of Chicago or the West 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:51.240 side or the projects. 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:56.400 So for you, what was your formative years like creatively speaking, 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:59.000 what was your family situation and growing. 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:01.080 Up sort of you know, parents divorced. I was very 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:03.320 lucky that I was able to go Instead of my 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:07.080 father paying like actual like child support directly, he paid 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:09.440 for me to go to private school. So I went 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:12.000 to Lab School, which is part of the University of Chicago. 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:14.040 So it was sort of this mixture of going to 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:17.840 going to this fabulous school and then kind of going 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:21.960 back to, you know, my neighborhood and being able to 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:25.080 live in both of those worlds, which it has worked 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:27.480 very well for me now in life. I can kind 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:30.760 of flow anywhere I need to go. And then my mother, 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:33.440 both of my parents my father were at University of Chicago. 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:36.640 My mother at the time, she used to work. I 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:39.440 think my mom was working at The Defender at some point. 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:44.120 She which is a black newspaper in Chicago. She worked 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:46.920 at a recording studio for many years, which is where 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:50.080 I don't remember the name of it, but that's growing up, 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:52.920 I was around a lot of music, so I was singing, 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:55.440 and that's kind of where I met my first manager. 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.640 And I think what sort of sparked me wanting to 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:01.320 be in the arts because I was not around it 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:05.040 at all. And then at some point at the Lab School, 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:10.960 they shot Endless Love there and I yes, and that 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:13.720 is where I really got the bug because I was 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:18.040 always a basketball player in school, so if theater, I 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:19.640 didn't do a lot of because it always came in 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:22.920 during basketball season. So but they came there and they 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:25.480 did that movie with Brooks Shields and I saw all 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:28.000 of that and I was like, oh, I don't know, 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:31.040 this seems interesting, which is kind of started my path. 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:34.280 Okay, did you have siblings or. 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:38.200 I have three brothers who are about fifteen years younger 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:39.800 than me, so most of my life I was an 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:40.400 only child. 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:41.880 So you were older than them. 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:44.480 Yeah, yes, that's interesting for them to have an older 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:45.920 sister that was fifteen years old. 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:46.200 Yeah. 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:47.880 I was ready for you to be the younger sister 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:49.360 that they beat up everybody. 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:52.120 No, I but you were there. 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:54.360 I'm gonna beat you, but you know, I was the 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:56.360 I don't know, I don't know have that mixture of 0:08:56.440 --> 0:09:00.160 only child but then having really young ones that me 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:02.320 and my mom. You know, she was working a lot, 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:04.960 so me and me and my brother. Yeah, that's my 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:06.240 that's my baby there. 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:10.319 Okay, I see that default. Yeah well quasi parents, Yeah, 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:13.400 I get that now, all right. So here's the thing, 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:18.240 like a lot of us that are not in the Midwest, 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:21.240 especially now in this political climate. 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:25.840 Yeah, hashtag what about Chicago? What about Chicago? 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:31.240 What is your view or description of your formative years 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:37.280 in Chicago because oftentimes I feel like, again especially now, 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:40.719 all you do is hear about the bad side of 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:45.120 Chicago whatever like is but is there a rosy memory 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:46.960 of Chicago or is it like I have to get 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:47.720 out of Chicago. 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:50.240 So I spent a lot of time in Hyde Park. 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:55.800 So although I'm like this mixed girl, which can not 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:58.520 work for you, Well, at times it was a very 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:00.880 mixed area. There was a lot of white and black 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.800 couple so it was okay for me hung out at 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:07.160 the point beautiful. Then later on we moved to sixty 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:11.440 first Street, which we're now moving more and more south. 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:14.880 Now we're on ninety fifth Street off of Stony Island. 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:19.280 It's a little it ain't it ain't mixed. No more 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:26.120 so again, but I never I don't know. My mother 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:28.680 kept me in a bunch of stuff. I'm going to school. 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:31.840 I didn't really encounter too much. When I go back 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:34.240 and see some of the places I walked around in 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:37.640 I go, I can't believe I was walking down that 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:40.079 street to the grocery store. You know, I would always 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:43.520 say around seventy fifth and Saint Lawrence. People from Chicago 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:48.280 know what I'm saying. That's where you just churches and bars, church, bar, church, bar, 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:52.719 all everything's behind glass and the grocery store. That's when 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:54.640 I look back and go, God, I just walked over 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:57.560 there to the grocery store. Now, I don't think I 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.200 would know how to flow through that area anymore the 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:02.520 same way. And it's much worse now. 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:05.840 Okay, So well that was my next question, like has 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:07.959 your area been gentrified or is it? 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:11.560 No, No, it's it's probably worse over there now. 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:15.560 Now you mentioned you mentioned manager. I don't know if 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:18.000 you were talking about manager then or manager now. But 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:21.360 when you spoken manager, are you you mean in terms. 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:23.840 Of acting or like? Did you have aspirations to sing 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:24.439 at one point? 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:28.320 I did so when I first started because of the studio. 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.839 I played piano. I used to study opera. Uh so, 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:33.800 I thought when I first went to LA it was 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:36.800 sort of acting and singing. I thought I would do both. 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:40.880 There are a lot of demorels somewhere of me singing. 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.280 And I think I shot a not think I did. 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:44.280 I shot a video. 0:11:45.240 --> 0:11:47.439 Okay, did you come to La? 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:48.520 Wow? 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:53.280 I was twenty five. I don't know, I graduated eighty five. 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:55.120 Whatever Giddo's real numbers. 0:11:55.240 --> 0:12:00.280 Look, I don't care. I'm old. And uh yeah, I 0:12:00.280 --> 0:12:02.160 thought I was gonna be a singer. 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:05.920 I kind of you in LA in eighty five, eighty six. 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:11.079 Yeah, during Pebbles all that time. Yeah, and I could do. 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:16.319 Hip hop and now you are you fell in the hole? Now. 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:18.880 It was a perfect time because I didn't really have 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:24.160 to dance well neither. It was like, this is good. 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:26.800 I can sing, I have no rhythm, I can't dance. 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:28.719 And this video, I'm really I haven't looked at in 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:30.800 a long time because it's in I have like the 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:33.280 tape of it, you know, it's in a real realm. 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:36.600 I need to digitize that. I'm a little afraid to 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:37.280 see that one. 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:37.840 Nice. 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:40.920 Yeah, nice? 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:49.599 What is the spark that prompts your move to Los Angeles, 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.160 as in like okay, in order for me to pursue 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:55.720 my dream, And what is your dream that makes you 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:56.880 go to Los Angeles? 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:58.600 You know? At that time, a lot of things were 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:01.840 being shot in Chicago, a lot of movies, you know, 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:04.520 but you so I could get little guest spots, so 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:07.200 I didn't remember. I did Prelude to a Kiss. I 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:10.760 played one of Meg Ryan's bridesmaids. You know. So you're 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:14.199 getting small things like that Rocky Carroll. That's where I 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:18.439 met Rocky Carroll because he was he was in that movie. 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:21.040 And so you see that you can get small things, 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:24.600 but you can't it's it. And then I did a 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:30.240 screen test for what is that Bill Duke movie? He 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:39.040 directed with Robin Gibbon. So I screen test for that. Yes, 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:43.320 so I was there. It was me, Robin and this 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:48.120 other actress. And I just knew, you know, like I 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:50.120 did it in the makeup art. This is when don't 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:51.800 listen to know. But this is when I learned, never 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:54.400 get too excited. More than likely you didn't get it 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:58.240 or it's not big. And I just knew I did it, 0:13:58.320 --> 0:14:00.240 and I was cute and I thought I had my 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:04.640 little southern accent. I was ready and I did not 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:07.240 get it. Robin, Well, that's when you find out Robin 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:10.640 Gibbons's sort of popular. 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:11.520 At the time. 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:13.960 Like when you are auditioning, and this is the part 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:16.960 I really want to do, like the audition process. Are 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:20.800 you in a room collectively with everyone or is it. 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:23.160 Just like no, No, they did a real screen test. 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:24.680 They don't do this very often. 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:24.920 Now. 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:27.520 I did the same thing for Nutty Professor, which was 0:14:27.640 --> 0:14:30.720 a real screen test. They put you through here and makeup. 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:31.680 I had on a dress. 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:33.440 It's dress. Yes. 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:38.600 In the movie it's with Forrest Whittaker, like it's a 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:42.280 real screen test. They are on a kind of set 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:45.280 like it's a thing that's somewhere too. I would love 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:47.640 to you know, look, I'm like, where is that stuff? 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:52.560 Now'll find out why I didn't get it. You weren't good. 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:55.840 So anyway, I'm doing small things like that, and just 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:58.760 something went. You got to make a decision, you got 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:03.280 to go to New York or LA And I don't know, 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:05.680 I mean, I think it was just an accumulation of 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:08.760 all those little things. And so I was waiting tables too. 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:12.640 I saved up my money for a year waiting tables. 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:17.440 Bought this six hundred dollar car. But I am a planner, 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:21.840 so I flew to la first, got an agent. One 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:25.040 of my agents in Chicago helped me set up some meetings. 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:28.280 Somehow or not. I've always been this person. Things kind 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:30.160 of fall in line for me. So I at the 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:32.520 time I met with William Morris and another one. I 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:34.440 have no idea how I got in this meeting. I 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:37.360 really had no tape, and they're like, do you have tape? 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:40.400 I'm like, I do not, But so you had to 0:15:40.440 --> 0:15:45.160 have even back then, you had to have real Yeah. 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:47.120 They were asking they want to see something, and I 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:49.760 was like, oh, I had done. I had done this movie. 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:55.880 How you like me? Now? That was my first I 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:57.280 think that's my first film. 0:15:58.480 --> 0:15:59.400 I see you in this film. 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:03.920 I got remind I was like, okay, I look crazy 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:10.160 because Halie Berry had just like hit it. And so 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:13.120 the guy who was producing it was a white guy 0:16:13.120 --> 0:16:15.360 who was producing it for this black director. 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:16.560 This movie. 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:19.960 He decided because my hair is so right now, my 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:22.400 hair is curly, but my hair is very straight. So 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:25.360 he decided that I didn't look black enough, and he 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:29.280 wanted me to wear a short wig with more what 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:32.840 he considered black hair. And so I'm wearing this wig 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:37.240 so it looks more halle Berry's shortcut to look more black. 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:39.200 It's really bad. 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:43.680 Try that, but you. 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:45.520 Know, you like, I'm gonna do this movie. I'm gonna 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:49.120 wear this wig. But yeah, and some days the wig 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:52.200 look good and some days it did not. It wasn't this. 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:55.040 It wasn't nowadays where you can get good wigs. You know. 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:58.120 You just this film, I've seen it. I've seen this, 0:16:58.320 --> 0:16:58.760 I have to. 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:06.280 It's with Darnell william Oh, yeah, I found the roster Williams. Yeah, baby, 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:12.280 like I am. I'm like twenty two or something, So 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:15.280 I think that was. But I have another one. I 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:18.840 don't know the name of it. It's with Marla Gibbs 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:20.600 and Stony Jackson. 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:22.640 Whoa wow. 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:26.080 No, and we shot it in Chicago. Those are my 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:30.400 two films that shot before I moved it set up 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:33.080 against the the wall. 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:38.359 Yes, this is why we need to be, Yah, Mars, 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:39.639 we need to be. 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:43.120 So I'm not really showing that I had just did 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:46.200 how you Like Me? Now? Now, I didn't have anything 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:48.800 to show myself. But I just did this film in Chicago. 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:50.960 So I was just I'm a good talker in a room. 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:53.560 So I was like, but I'm great, I'm a work 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:57.439 I'm just met a table full of old men, and 0:17:57.560 --> 0:18:01.800 I'm selling. I'm selling. And I at this agency called 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:05.159 Triad at the time, which was a big agency then, 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.360 and I went with Tryad And so I went back 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:12.720 home and packed my car up. I also had found 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:15.040 a place to live out there, rented from this woman 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:18.600 in her house, and then I drove up to l A. 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:20.960 And I saved up enough money and had a little 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:25.919 help from my then manager who used to run my 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:30.040 mother's studio, who was helping me, and I didn't have 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:33.160 to work for a year. And then within that year, 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:35.879 before my money was just about to run out, I 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:36.439 got posse. 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:40.560 Wow, wait the way she told that story, it was 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:41.399 like a cliffhanger, and. 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:49.200 Hear everything I know know how to hit the bullet points. 0:18:51.359 --> 0:18:53.840 We are literally rabbit hole city. 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:55.520 But I mean I had gotten you know, a few 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:56.680 I think I did a pilot. 0:18:57.480 --> 0:18:59.800 Uh and how many pilots have you done? 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:04.520 A number of them, didn't I see the rock is 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:06.159 on your IMDb two do you do an episode of 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:09.040 a rock Rocky Carrol? So I was like, wondering at 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:11.800 that translation to the rock it's been a long Yes 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:13.200 you can't remember. 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:16.480 Yes you've done, Yeah, yes you. 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:18.520 Have Okay, Oh I did, Yeah. 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:18.800 Yes you. 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:20.960 Have. 0:19:21.240 --> 0:19:23.520 I forgot I did a Jamie Foxx show. 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:24.040 Yeah you did. 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:25.359 Yeah, Yes I forgot that. 0:19:25.520 --> 0:19:27.480 Okay. So this is why I'm asking this. 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.800 So there's a friend of mine who was the star 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:37.159 of her own, uh successful series, and she told me 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:41.760 that even though they were hit out the box, she 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:46.679 wanted to wait until season three to buy the house. 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:49.440 You know, when you're like, hey, I'm on a hit show, 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:53.440 I've been nominated for a few Emmy's, I'm established, let 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:57.119 me buy that house. And then out of nowhere, and 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:00.639 I don't know why, but suddenly the show got canceled. 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:04.119 And it wasn't like dude to low ratings, Like something happened, 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:06.440 a freak accident, maybe like one of the executive producers 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:11.120 died or something. And now she's stuck with this house. 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:13.280 And the whole point was she told me it took 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:16.760 her like maybe eight years to finally get this off 0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:18.920 of her hands, like she's been stuck with this house. 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:22.440 So I always wanted to know on the acting side 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:25.280 of things, when you're in this city. 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:28.400 When you get a. 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:31.920 Guest role on a rock or you know the office 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:37.600 person number twelve and living single whatever, sustainability wise, how 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:41.760 safe do you feel like if the imagined grim Reapers 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:47.720 behind you is a guest spot on a show, a 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:49.880 jump for you for at least four months of safety 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:53.159 to breathe before the grim Reaper catches up and then 0:20:53.160 --> 0:20:55.760 you have to get your next series. 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:58.280 Like how four months? No? No, that's why be born 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:04.159 strike you. I can't make no. Luckily, I've always lived 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:08.160 as if whatever this check is, I may not work 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:10.480 for months. I may not work for a year. 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:17.639 So even when you have something good, it's never a. 0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:20.479 I haven't felt comfortable and secure in this business, and 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:24.400 I still have an actor's mindset that at any point 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:30.360 some shit might change. Until I started directing and really 0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:37.119 started hitting my stride. Have I sat back and relaxed 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:40.000 for a second. And my husband will tell you there 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:42.840 have been many flights where he's like, I'm like, it's 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:45.400 only a four hour flight. We can fly coach. I'm cheap, 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:50.960 and that's how I live. I live as if I 0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:52.840 may not work for another year. 0:21:53.320 --> 0:22:01.200 But does that also prevent you from dreaming, and I 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:04.800 not to sound real naive, saved, yes, but it really 0:22:04.920 --> 0:22:08.560 wasn't until like I allowed myself to Like. 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:13.040 It's almost like you have to tell your body, like, Okay. 0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:14.160 This is what I want and this is my dream 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:17.840 I'm pursuing hook cook crook or whatever, because I used 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:20.439 to be the careful smurf like, oh, man, like we're 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:22.040 never going to d D D D d D, so let. 0:22:21.920 --> 0:22:23.800 Me save up and that sort of thing. 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:28.600 So how do you ride the line between safety and 0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:29.959 this is the dream that I went? 0:22:30.359 --> 0:22:33.000 Well, I did. But I did do that because by 0:22:33.640 --> 0:22:37.520 really pivoting to directing, I had to take a chance. 0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:40.159 I was working a lot as an actress and that 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:43.160 was working well for me. And when you first started directing, 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:47.360 it's a good living. But if I'm on a hit show. 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:50.159 When I started directing, I could still make more money 0:22:50.200 --> 0:22:52.560 acting as long as I was on a series, because 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:55.800 I have a you know, my my rate for an 0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:59.880 episode is going to be pretty good compared to the director, 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:01.920 which takes a little longer to do an episode. 0:23:02.480 --> 0:23:05.240 But oh damn, so I chose the wrong profession again. 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:07.480 Every time. 0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:11.600 No, But so I had to really make a decision. 0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:14.760 I was looking at the long game. I knew that 0:23:15.119 --> 0:23:18.720 in directing, you know, there's not a lot of and 0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:21.560 I'm just I don't care. I'm fifty five now, I'll 0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:22.960 be fifty six this year. 0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:24.960 They are not awesome. 0:23:25.200 --> 0:23:29.159 There are not a lot of women my age, especially 0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:34.440 people of color, who are big, huge movie stars or 0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:37.720 you know, the lead of a TV series. As you 0:23:37.760 --> 0:23:39.800 get older, things are going to change, so you have 0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:43.480 to make a decision where you're going. And so looking 0:23:43.520 --> 0:23:45.879 at directing, I knew it was going to take me somewhere, 0:23:45.920 --> 0:23:49.640 and I just had faith that. Besides that, I feel 0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:52.320 like it's my calling. I knew that this was going 0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:56.840 to be my longevity and this is where my wealth 0:23:56.960 --> 0:23:57.840 was going to happen. 0:23:58.280 --> 0:24:00.520 When did you realize that directing was you call. 0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:04.919 It honestly the first time I did it, really, which. 0:24:04.680 --> 0:24:08.800 Was the first Eureka, okay. 0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:12.919 I did Ava DuVernay's first film, I will follow. 0:24:13.160 --> 0:24:13.440 Okay. 0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:15.240 She had done some docu she had I think she 0:24:15.280 --> 0:24:19.119 had directed a documentary or two before that, but this 0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:22.520 was her first narrative film. And during that process, I 0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:24.680 always say, I must have been a little one of 0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:27.160 those actresses that was given too much of their opinion, 0:24:27.400 --> 0:24:31.120 because at some point she said to me during that process, 0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:33.560 she said, I think you're a director and you don't 0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:33.920 know it. 0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:36.720 How did you feel when you were told that. 0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:40.359 There's something about when it was you know how someone 0:24:40.600 --> 0:24:43.600 just says something to you and you kind of see 0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:47.400 your life flash and I go like, moment, I had 0:24:47.400 --> 0:24:54.160 a Eureka moment. Thank you. It was like God put 0:24:54.240 --> 0:24:57.919 something in her to give to me and it changed 0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:00.159 my life. And I was on I was I want 0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:03.080 a break from Eureka. At that time, it was like 0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:07.040 you know our hiatus. And Ava said that to me 0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:11.720 and I went, huh, she's doing it. She was a publicist, 0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:16.760 she can do this. And I called this director. I 0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:21.560 knew Eric Laanaville, who does Who's done Black Black? Director 0:25:21.720 --> 0:25:24.400 used to be an actor on I Think Saint Elsewhere 0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:28.959 with Denzel. He came up with him and he started 0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:31.360 directing that show. Anyway, he had directed me on Eureka, 0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:33.879 and I called him. I said, hey, I want to 0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:36.600 ask them about directing. I think I want to do this. 0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:40.159 Can I shadow you? He said absolutely, So went in 0:25:40.400 --> 0:25:43.920 shadowed him on a few like two shows during my break, 0:25:44.760 --> 0:25:48.280 and Ava gave me some tapes I got some books. 0:25:48.760 --> 0:25:53.480 I have many years of you know, learning on the set, 0:25:53.880 --> 0:25:55.640 which you find out how much you really know when 0:25:55.680 --> 0:25:59.200 you do it. And I asked my producer producers, and 0:25:59.520 --> 0:26:03.840 they tried me and gave me an episode. And when 0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:07.359 I did, I still remember when they called me and 0:26:07.400 --> 0:26:10.520 said yes where I was standing, and that moment of 0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:14.400 being excited and then literally the next moment going holy shit, 0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:18.680 now now it's real. Now I have to really do it. 0:26:19.160 --> 0:26:24.000 And after doing that first episode, I went, oh, I 0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:25.840 understand this. I get this. 0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:29.760 This is great and directly for you was something you 0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:31.960 learned strictly just from shadowing other director. 0:26:31.960 --> 0:26:32.720 It's not something like. 0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:35.439 You went to school for Well, I say, I went 0:26:35.480 --> 0:26:38.439 to school because it was like twenty five years of acting, 0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:42.480 so what I realized. So then I did. I did 0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:46.960 the Sony Film program at the studio and then I 0:26:47.000 --> 0:26:50.720 remember during that I'm in this program and I was 0:26:50.720 --> 0:26:54.480 feeling a little intimidated because they had all these students 0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:58.000 who had gone to AFI and Yu and blah blah blah. 0:26:58.000 --> 0:27:00.680 They had done their little films and stuff, but they've 0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:04.159 all been in school and I the more they talked, 0:27:04.560 --> 0:27:07.560 the more panels, I mean, the more like little group 0:27:07.600 --> 0:27:10.760 classes and speakers would come all of a sudden, I 0:27:10.840 --> 0:27:14.359 became part of the speakers because I knew so much 0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:18.680 from being on the set right, so I the mixture 0:27:18.920 --> 0:27:22.840 of doing the work I needed to by really shadowing 0:27:22.920 --> 0:27:25.600 and paying attention. And when I say shadow, because I 0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:29.680 tell people who come to shadow means shadowing means you're 0:27:29.680 --> 0:27:35.600 there through every bit of pre production, every meeting, every 0:27:36.440 --> 0:27:38.639 when I go to set. If I get to work 0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:42.160 an hour before, you should be there an hour, Yeah, 0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:46.160 you're there every minute. When we edited, I was there 0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:49.840 every minute. And so you really that's a different than 0:27:50.040 --> 0:27:53.080 just sitting on a set. I learned a lot. You 0:27:53.760 --> 0:27:57.520 shadow me. It's it's I learned a lot doing that. 0:27:57.640 --> 0:28:00.239 And then but honestly, you don't you don't know if 0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:02.480 you're can be good at it until you do it. 0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:05.800 So now that you're knee deep in it, have you 0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:11.320 accepted that this is your actual calling? Because for me, though, 0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:16.320 they're still it's almost you know, like in Heat where 0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:18.760 you got to walk away in thirty seconds or else, 0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:21.680 And there is that moment sorry to spoiler for those 0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:26.680 that have not seen the movie Heat. Yeah, no, there's 0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:29.640 a moment at the very end where de Niro can 0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:33.720 just he executed it, He got the guy, he can 0:28:33.720 --> 0:28:34.200 walk off. 0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:36.560 With the girl. This is a little itching he has 0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:37.840 to go back and see. 0:28:38.480 --> 0:28:41.960 And of course you know, I won't spoiler what happens, 0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:56.760 but it does. So my whole point is there is 0:28:56.960 --> 0:29:01.440 a part of me as a musician that still feels 0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:04.280 like I didn't scratch that itch yet. 0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:05.800 Yeah, you know, like. 0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:09.360 I've done everything in the music world except arrived at 0:29:09.400 --> 0:29:13.760 this platform on my own without aiding someone getting there 0:29:13.840 --> 0:29:19.040 or that sort of thing. And even though I'm having 0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:21.280 a hell of a life and a hell of a 0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:26.760 journey everywhere else, this part of me that's still like, man, 0:29:26.840 --> 0:29:30.000 none of this like there's an asterisk there, like, none 0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:32.840 of this counts until I can do for music what 0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:35.760 I'm able to do for these other ventures. So for 0:29:35.880 --> 0:29:40.280 you in acting in terms of like that, have you 0:29:40.400 --> 0:29:43.960 resolved that? And just like, hey, if the universe always 0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:46.160 wanted me to tell stories behind the. 0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:51.360 Camera, no have I. So when I started directing so much, 0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:54.560 I in the beginning I thought that I would be 0:29:54.640 --> 0:29:58.640 doing both. I would I'll direct this part of the 0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:00.320 year and then I'll be on a series use and 0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:02.920 do this part of the year, and then all of 0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:06.160 a sudden, I was getting booked so much that it 0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:09.480 made sense for me to just keep on directing. So 0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:12.920 I always thought I would be acting. I didn't know 0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:16.040 I was quitting at the time. And then you look 0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:19.240 back and it's three years later, and you know, because 0:30:19.280 --> 0:30:22.000 I was still dabbling and doing small little things, or 0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:24.000 more than three I mean, it's been many years now 0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:25.320 that I haven't really acted. 0:30:25.440 --> 0:30:25.600 You know. 0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:27.040 Every once in a while, I've done a show where 0:30:27.080 --> 0:30:30.360 it was directed and they're like, oh, why don't you 0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:32.120 just do this role. I'm like, oh, yeah, I'll do it. 0:30:32.160 --> 0:30:36.640 That'll be fun. So I would never say never. I 0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:41.600 would love to do something that would be truly challenging 0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:46.640 for me. I think at the end of my acting career, 0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:48.920 I was doing a lot of the same kind of role. 0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:52.960 I was like the powerful black woman in the office, attorney, 0:30:53.080 --> 0:30:58.240 head of the company, deag you know, I was just 0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:01.200 the same Yeah, you know, I'm telling everybody what to 0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:02.760 do and then I go back in my office. That 0:31:02.960 --> 0:31:05.680 was becoming a kind of boring and not very challenging. 0:31:06.960 --> 0:31:09.000 And I do think that I never was given the 0:31:09.080 --> 0:31:14.280 opportunity to really show how good I can be and 0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:19.200 to really really do amazing work. And I don't think 0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:22.760 I ever had. Part of the way the reason I 0:31:22.880 --> 0:31:26.880 direct the way I do is that I really push 0:31:26.960 --> 0:31:30.360 people because I felt like I've never had that one 0:31:30.440 --> 0:31:36.560 director who would not accept anything but everything they knew 0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:39.680 they had in me. And so when I work with actors, 0:31:39.880 --> 0:31:44.440 if I know you have more, if I know if 0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:47.480 I'm watching your performance and I know what kind of 0:31:47.520 --> 0:31:51.040 actor you are, too, say you've done three takes and 0:31:51.080 --> 0:31:54.280 it's the same. It's a good performance, but I noticed 0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:57.160 it's the same. Then I know you werehear set at 0:31:57.160 --> 0:32:00.719 home and now and I like it. I'm watching it. 0:32:00.800 --> 0:32:04.440 Other people are impressed. But there's something in my gut 0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:08.040 or in my heart, in my body that I know 0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:12.240 when it's real, and I hope to push you to 0:32:12.320 --> 0:32:16.120 give me that moment where I really feel it and 0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:18.360 then I go, now we have it. And I've never 0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:19.800 had that person do that for me. 0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:27.840 Yeah, I guess in the past ten to fifteen years, 0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:31.640 they come in I won't say shots fired, but there 0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:37.960 have been words from the US brothers in terms of 0:32:38.000 --> 0:32:41.400 their experience with Denzel on. 0:32:43.120 --> 0:32:48.560 It's a book of right, of which I guess you know. 0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:52.800 One of them was joking about like, and I've heard 0:32:52.800 --> 0:32:55.840 this before from other actors, where like Denzel would be like, 0:32:56.280 --> 0:32:58.000 I'm only going to give you two performances, so you 0:32:58.080 --> 0:33:01.160 better capture it now, like I don't have it, And 0:33:01.600 --> 0:33:04.600 established actors I know, like I didn't know that that 0:33:04.680 --> 0:33:07.959 was an option, Like, you've better capture me now. And 0:33:08.400 --> 0:33:10.320 I've heard de Niro stories and all that stuff from 0:33:10.440 --> 0:33:15.800 established actors. How do you know how far to push 0:33:15.800 --> 0:33:19.720 your actors, especially if you're in a situation where like 0:33:21.080 --> 0:33:23.480 time is of the essence. You know, there's always some 0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:28.240 serious micromanaging producer in the background, like Okay, we're losing light, 0:33:28.520 --> 0:33:31.600 or you know, we don't have enough for overtime or whatever. 0:33:32.160 --> 0:33:36.600 How do you know when to press a button, when 0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:38.880 to make someone do a fourth take? 0:33:39.480 --> 0:33:41.680 Yeah, like, how do you know that? 0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:47.000 I think it's everyone's different and you have to take 0:33:47.040 --> 0:33:50.440 cues from the people you're working with. Sometimes I will, 0:33:51.120 --> 0:33:54.920 especially with the bigger actors, I will I have conversations 0:33:54.960 --> 0:33:59.920 with everyone before I shoot, you know, because how far? 0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:02.040 How far can I push you? How far are you 0:34:02.080 --> 0:34:02.719 comfortable with? 0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:05.240 I apologize? 0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:07.160 Guys, this is really going to just be the Sally 0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:10.359 Mirror because morse he's talking. 0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:12.160 The more I'm like, oh god, I didn't think about 0:34:12.160 --> 0:34:12.480 them of this. 0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:15.800 I gotta confront people and talk, and I talk to 0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:18.040 them a lot of my actor friends, and they'll tell me, 0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:21.640 like if a list person's being an asshole on the 0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:23.000 set and that sort of thing. 0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:26.480 There's some people I know that, there are some actors 0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:29.840 I can I can on the side of the camera 0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:33.200 say things that I know that will give you an 0:34:33.200 --> 0:34:37.000 emotional response. I can come whisper in your ear and 0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:40.359 tell you you're a piece of ship and that's why 0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:43.000 you ain't never this. I'll talk crazy in your but 0:34:43.120 --> 0:34:45.080 I know that we have, we've had a conversation. 0:34:45.239 --> 0:34:47.880 Just get excited. 0:34:47.239 --> 0:34:48.920 I see you doing that. 0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:54.520 Actors on the Gilday I just went off the. 0:34:56.480 --> 0:34:57.279 I am a piece of ship. 0:34:58.239 --> 0:34:59.560 I'm like, what do you like? 0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:03.920 What are your bring Christine Baranski's ear. I am not 0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:07.279 saying that, But there are certain people I can go. 0:35:07.400 --> 0:35:10.280 I can look at you and go, I don't believe 0:35:10.320 --> 0:35:10.959 you right now. 0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:17.120 So but should you have to go through Jediah, you 0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:18.840 just have to go through Jedi. 0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:22.600 I have to figure out. I have to figure out 0:35:22.800 --> 0:35:24.960 how to get the best out of you without you 0:35:25.040 --> 0:35:29.480 shutting down. Now, there are some there's some big actors 0:35:29.960 --> 0:35:32.960 who are a little more persnickety, but I also don't 0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:34.840 have to put they they're good people. They know what 0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:37.920 they're doing. So I have to figure out what little 0:35:37.960 --> 0:35:40.959 things I can say to you to get what I want. 0:35:41.080 --> 0:35:45.920 And sometimes it can be uncomfortable for me, but that's 0:35:46.239 --> 0:35:49.960 by earning their respect and not being afraid to give 0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:52.000 them the note even though you know they're gonna give 0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:53.560 you an attitude about it. 0:35:54.400 --> 0:35:57.480 So as a woman, as we you know, and I've 0:35:57.760 --> 0:36:04.240 heard this many times in any professional setting, like women 0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:07.640 often have to fight for to stand their ground as 0:36:07.719 --> 0:36:10.239 leader and to get oursts and it's sort of us 0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:11.960 not look kind of sitting and all those things. 0:36:12.520 --> 0:36:17.120 So how deep is the. 0:36:17.840 --> 0:36:21.359 Mental preparation that you have to do when you know 0:36:21.520 --> 0:36:26.680 that you're dealing with an actor or actress whatever that 0:36:27.640 --> 0:36:31.920 sort of might have closed that won't submit to you. 0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:39.600 I don't there is something about my personality that does 0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:43.680 not give you the feeling that you should not listen 0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:47.680 to what I'm asking you to do. And first of all, 0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:51.200 I'm very prepped and prepared, which is part of them 0:36:51.239 --> 0:36:56.799 starting to respect you, and again, there's not much you 0:36:56.880 --> 0:37:02.919 can do to me that will, at least outwardly, will 0:37:02.960 --> 0:37:03.680 break me down. 0:37:04.719 --> 0:37:06.360 So people attempted. 0:37:07.400 --> 0:37:12.240 I've had. I've had some early on, some volatile people. 0:37:13.520 --> 0:37:18.000 But that's where Chicago comes and in my mind because 0:37:18.040 --> 0:37:21.160 people I've had producers say to me, Okay, other women 0:37:21.200 --> 0:37:23.359 have cried here and this and that, and I'm like, 0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:27.360 ain't nobody gonna see me cry? Like that's just not 0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:31.000 like it's not happening. I don't cry in life. Really, 0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:41.000 it's not a good thing. My husband says, I didn't. No, 0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:48.359 I'm a sad, but you know, I just I come 0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:51.480 from that that, you know, I come from that black 0:37:51.920 --> 0:37:55.160 mother where there is there is like just suck it 0:37:55.280 --> 0:37:59.000 up and move on. So there's times I feel it 0:37:59.360 --> 0:38:05.920 and of course cried in my life. I believe I 0:38:05.960 --> 0:38:08.680 need to learn how to cry. My husband was I 0:38:08.719 --> 0:38:11.000 remember when he goes, if you walk down this aisle 0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:13.600 and I don't see you cry, and the whole time 0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:15.920 going down the aisle, I was like, fuck, figure how 0:38:15.920 --> 0:38:20.919 to cry? Real upset. I didn't cry when I had 0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:25.359 I gave birth to two children with no drugs and yeah, 0:38:25.400 --> 0:38:29.000 but no tears, with no drugs, natural child. I just 0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:32.080 not a crier anyway. So let me tell you you're 0:38:33.040 --> 0:38:37.120 you're not that. I've had, you know, different things in 0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:38.960 my life. I'm not ready to do. I'm not doing 0:38:39.000 --> 0:38:41.719 hotel all I need to be on one. But I've 0:38:41.719 --> 0:38:48.560 had enough trauma that you being a disgruntled actor or 0:38:48.640 --> 0:38:54.640 even cursing in my face and like seeming physically intimidating 0:38:54.680 --> 0:38:57.799 in front of me. In my mind, I'm like, I 0:38:57.840 --> 0:38:58.480 wish you. 0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:01.080 Now. 0:39:01.120 --> 0:39:03.040 I wouldn't say that, but that's the look. I'm like, 0:39:03.080 --> 0:39:08.160 what you got? So so that mixed with what people 0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:11.840 think I look like and how But I also have 0:39:12.080 --> 0:39:16.000 this mom voice that will come what I was. What 0:39:16.040 --> 0:39:19.080 I'm telling you that I need you to do is 0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:23.719 go from there to there. And but then I'm nice 0:39:23.719 --> 0:39:26.200 to you too, like you have to pull everything out. 0:39:26.239 --> 0:39:28.880 I gotta be your mother. I gotta be your girlfriend. 0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:32.760 Sometimes I gotta be your sister. I gotta be your boss, 0:39:32.880 --> 0:39:36.359 I gotta there's a whole uh my job, and what 0:39:36.440 --> 0:39:41.360 I'm very good at is figuring out what you need. 0:39:42.280 --> 0:39:46.279 What does this actor need for me to get the 0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:49.360 best performance. And at the end of the day, they 0:39:49.360 --> 0:39:52.640 most of them, I would I think have left feeling 0:39:53.920 --> 0:39:56.080 like I know what I'm doing and they trusted me 0:39:56.800 --> 0:40:00.200 and and you know, and then some of them want 0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:02.120 to be friends with them. Some I hope I never 0:40:02.160 --> 0:40:04.399 see you again, but but they would never know it. 0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:07.680 But don't you feel that way about the band? Like 0:40:08.280 --> 0:40:11.560 you're a suit me saying this? 0:40:12.040 --> 0:40:17.680 She's saying this now, and I've learned so I learned 0:40:17.760 --> 0:40:24.280 already that when a person worries, you're basically politely praying 0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:27.759 that something bad does happen to you. I hope I 0:40:27.760 --> 0:40:30.160 don't get attacked in this subway. I hope I don't 0:40:30.160 --> 0:40:32.799 get ran over by a car. I hope my wife 0:40:32.840 --> 0:40:41.480 don't catch me, you know, like weird weird one. But 0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:46.680 for the last two years sort of riding the fence 0:40:46.719 --> 0:40:53.120 of why me and why now and what's the catch here? 0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:59.400 And then she's saying this, and I'm realizing, Ah, fucking universe, 0:40:59.480 --> 0:41:03.200 I get this now. The universe knows I hate confrontation. 0:41:03.640 --> 0:41:05.080 I don't like confrontation either. 0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:09.920 I despise. I know I have Richard Nichols for that. 0:41:11.160 --> 0:41:11.960 Don't let that verse go? 0:41:12.160 --> 0:41:18.440 Yeah, you know, but you know now I'm realizing, ah, damn, 0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:18.920 this is. 0:41:19.280 --> 0:41:20.359 God because this thing. 0:41:20.440 --> 0:41:22.680 It's one thing when you're doing documentaries, like for me, 0:41:25.120 --> 0:41:28.680 I will say that what I'm working on now is 0:41:30.040 --> 0:41:32.160 it's not summer of soul, you know what I mean 0:41:32.320 --> 0:41:34.839 in terms of like people talking about a joyous time whatever, 0:41:34.920 --> 0:41:36.240 like because I'm talking about. 0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:36.600 Trauma and shit. 0:41:37.200 --> 0:41:42.560 So getting answers out of my subjects is like, like, 0:41:42.600 --> 0:41:45.319 I feel like I should be a qualified paralegal, like 0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:49.320 the lawyer levels that I'm going to get the answer 0:41:49.360 --> 0:41:51.200 that I need you to give and coax it out 0:41:51.200 --> 0:41:55.319 of you. And it's just like, ah, damn, what if 0:41:55.320 --> 0:41:58.719 this is the universe forcing me in this, like to 0:41:58.800 --> 0:42:01.160 be a people person something. 0:42:00.880 --> 0:42:03.719 That you're from. I hate people, you know. 0:42:06.600 --> 0:42:09.440 But now that you're saying this, and I'm realizing, damn, 0:42:09.680 --> 0:42:13.120 this is what the next six years of my life 0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:13.719 is about to be. 0:42:14.000 --> 0:42:16.959 Like I'm gonna have to talk to people. 0:42:17.239 --> 0:42:22.480 And you'll learn so much about I don't know, I say, 0:42:22.560 --> 0:42:30.920 grace right now, I'm here, But you learned so much 0:42:30.960 --> 0:42:36.440 about communication with people. I mean, Okay, he don't do 0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:40.759 he needs help with it because I have to deal 0:42:40.840 --> 0:42:44.239 with so many different people and as. But really, in 0:42:44.280 --> 0:42:47.600 the position listen, I can't argue I'm not going to 0:42:47.760 --> 0:42:51.600 argue with any actors. I'm not going to argue with 0:42:51.680 --> 0:42:54.839 your stars, not really argue because you could walk off 0:42:54.880 --> 0:42:58.520 the set. Now I can't shoot, so because my job 0:42:58.600 --> 0:43:03.000 is also so let's get this day going. So sometimes 0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:06.960 I'm like, in my mind, you may be talking crazy 0:43:07.000 --> 0:43:09.600 to me. Do I engage? 0:43:09.960 --> 0:43:10.160 No? 0:43:10.480 --> 0:43:12.520 I can't engage because that's an argument. 0:43:12.680 --> 0:43:13.040 Is that what? 0:43:14.080 --> 0:43:17.040 Because whenever I'm on to set, I'm talking about like 0:43:17.120 --> 0:43:21.040 when I was doing videos, whatever, the annoying person, the 0:43:21.560 --> 0:43:24.240 guy that yells and all that stuff. Like I always 0:43:24.320 --> 0:43:26.880 know is that the directors just sits in front of 0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:29.560 the watch the daily's screen and all that stuff and 0:43:29.680 --> 0:43:30.759 really doesn't say much. 0:43:30.920 --> 0:43:34.960 It comes the AD doesn't talk to the actors for me. 0:43:35.600 --> 0:43:39.520 No, you don't allow that for you or in. 0:43:39.400 --> 0:43:42.319 General on it on the kind of shows that I'm doing, 0:43:42.400 --> 0:43:45.680 absolutely not Okay. He can call and tell you it's time, 0:43:45.960 --> 0:43:49.400 you know, it's time to shoot or something, but any 0:43:49.520 --> 0:43:51.840 if to No, it's all me. 0:43:52.120 --> 0:43:54.560 I always thought the job of the AD would sort 0:43:54.600 --> 0:43:57.440 of be the bad cop, so that you don't have 0:43:57.520 --> 0:43:58.320 to that would. 0:43:58.160 --> 0:44:02.839 Be my bad cop. As far as production, let let 0:44:02.880 --> 0:44:06.120 them know this information. This is why we're not shooting 0:44:06.200 --> 0:44:08.240 right now. This is why it's going to take longer. 0:44:08.400 --> 0:44:11.000 I'm sorry we brought you in earlier, but this is 0:44:11.080 --> 0:44:15.160 this happened that kind of thing. But any problems on 0:44:15.200 --> 0:44:18.480 a set when we're talking about the work, what I 0:44:18.520 --> 0:44:20.759 need you to do, what this character is going to do, 0:44:20.840 --> 0:44:23.560 why it's not working, blah blah blah, that's all me. 0:44:24.520 --> 0:44:26.560 So yeah, So. 0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:29.640 When you're doing a series, yeah, and you aren't the 0:44:29.680 --> 0:44:33.399 showrunner of said series, how do you navigate your job 0:44:33.440 --> 0:44:36.880 as a director? Because okay, for instance, there was there 0:44:36.920 --> 0:44:39.960 was an episode of Boardwalking Pyre that I watched that 0:44:41.000 --> 0:44:44.440 Marty Scorsese directed, okay, and I would have had no 0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:47.200 clue that he did it because I didn't see none 0:44:47.239 --> 0:44:49.839 of the film A school marker, like none of his trademark, 0:44:50.040 --> 0:44:54.439 yeah scorsesesms or whatever. And I realized that, oh well, 0:44:54.480 --> 0:44:56.239 he sort of has to fit into the shell of 0:44:56.280 --> 0:44:58.600 what the show is. How do you know when you 0:44:58.600 --> 0:45:03.040 get called for a show, how much leverager leeway are 0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:06.680 you allowed to or are you even one of those 0:45:06.760 --> 0:45:10.520 directors that's thinking of like what your trademark is like 0:45:11.160 --> 0:45:11.600 you know. 0:45:13.040 --> 0:45:17.360 Yeah, so you find a way. And again that's why 0:45:17.760 --> 0:45:21.760 I kind of had a goal of the platform, Like really, 0:45:21.800 --> 0:45:23.960 my end goal was to get to a platform like 0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:27.279 HBO where you have more freedom to be who you 0:45:27.320 --> 0:45:31.640 are as a director. So when you're going on some 0:45:31.680 --> 0:45:35.000 of these earlier shows, absolutely there is a style you 0:45:35.080 --> 0:45:41.040 have to fit into it, but you find a way 0:45:41.120 --> 0:45:46.279 to infuse some of you into their show. Otherwise they 0:45:46.280 --> 0:45:48.680 could hire anyone. So why do they Why do they 0:45:48.760 --> 0:45:53.160 bring you back? So maybe I have a few shots 0:45:53.520 --> 0:45:58.080 that maybe pushing the envelope a little bit, but it's 0:45:58.239 --> 0:46:00.360 definitely what I like to do. I always say I 0:46:00.400 --> 0:46:02.400 like the camera moving a lot, and I love doing 0:46:02.560 --> 0:46:07.919 long runners. So most of the time you'll find that 0:46:08.160 --> 0:46:11.960 in my episode somewhere in there might be a long runner. 0:46:12.080 --> 0:46:13.440 Yeah, I was going to ask what was some of 0:46:13.480 --> 0:46:17.200 your I guess your techniques and winning time that you use. 0:46:17.680 --> 0:46:20.359 That's a good example. That's the show which it has 0:46:20.400 --> 0:46:22.840 to look like vintage, you know. 0:46:23.000 --> 0:46:26.440 Yeah, he came in second season too, Well, I start, 0:46:26.560 --> 0:46:28.839 I did the first season. I did the last two 0:46:28.960 --> 0:46:31.040 episodes of the first season. 0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:36.280 So how much micromanaging does the screenwriter do in terms 0:46:36.280 --> 0:46:39.680 of like, so, what have you decided I don't want 0:46:39.719 --> 0:46:41.440 to use this grain of like are you allowed to 0:46:41.440 --> 0:46:42.520 make a radicus. 0:46:42.200 --> 0:46:46.040 No no, no, no, no, that is established what the look 0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:50.279 is going to be. But I find that particular show 0:46:50.320 --> 0:46:53.640 we're using so many different formats that I really have 0:46:53.680 --> 0:46:57.399 a lot of freedom. So I definitely there's a lot 0:46:57.440 --> 0:47:00.319 of that style in me. I mean, they're is a 0:47:00.360 --> 0:47:03.640 lot of I say, in the action, you'll see a 0:47:03.640 --> 0:47:07.600 lot of pushing and pulling shots that are mine. Again, 0:47:08.120 --> 0:47:10.399 there will be a lot of shots where it's a 0:47:10.480 --> 0:47:17.200 long wonner, where there's a lot of handoffs. That means 0:47:17.719 --> 0:47:22.239 think of a classic uh, good fella shot I love 0:47:24.800 --> 0:47:29.279 at the table, good fellow, the whole restaurant when you 0:47:29.360 --> 0:47:41.400 first I well, I love blocking, and so blocking a 0:47:41.480 --> 0:47:46.320 shot like that with that that takes a lot of prep, 0:47:47.000 --> 0:47:52.400 and that would just everything about that shot is perfect. 0:47:52.440 --> 0:47:54.640 I love that shot. There's a shot in this movie 0:47:54.680 --> 0:47:58.800 called Rush that does about Yes, there's a big long 0:47:58.960 --> 0:48:03.080 shot like that too, love it, love it. So you'd 0:48:03.160 --> 0:48:04.839 see a lot of that in my work. You'll see 0:48:04.840 --> 0:48:08.040 a lot of energy, pushing and pulling. You'll see lower angles, 0:48:08.719 --> 0:48:11.840 You'll see that stuff that comes in really intimately. So 0:48:11.960 --> 0:48:15.040 I could winning time was perfect for that. I could 0:48:15.239 --> 0:48:19.839 pretty much do whatever I wanted to there within even 0:48:19.840 --> 0:48:23.560 though the format of how we shot it was set 0:48:23.600 --> 0:48:27.960 in stone, I could still do most of me in 0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:29.880 there too, which is I think part of the reason 0:48:29.920 --> 0:48:32.279 they brought me back to produce the next season and 0:48:32.320 --> 0:48:35.279 to direct half of it, because they liked what I 0:48:35.320 --> 0:48:37.160 did in the last two episodes. And I feel like 0:48:37.200 --> 0:48:41.480 the show, you know, kind of found its real sweet spot. 0:48:41.800 --> 0:48:43.319 You know, it takes a show a second. You know, 0:48:43.360 --> 0:48:45.919 Adam set up an amazing pilot, but then it takes 0:48:45.960 --> 0:48:49.160 a second for things to really you know, get mixed 0:48:49.200 --> 0:48:53.440 and work, you know, bake, and by the second season, 0:48:53.640 --> 0:48:55.399 you know, we could really get in there and fine 0:48:55.440 --> 0:48:56.160 tune some things. 0:48:56.200 --> 0:48:58.160 Do you question I had to that point. 0:48:58.520 --> 0:49:00.719 So a lot of times with TV, we're talking to 0:49:00.800 --> 0:49:02.560 directors and talking to just a lot of actors. A 0:49:02.600 --> 0:49:06.120 lot of times they'll tell you most television shows don't 0:49:06.160 --> 0:49:09.279 really hit their stride until probably like season three or 0:49:09.320 --> 0:49:12.920 you know, but now shows don't even get that much 0:49:12.920 --> 0:49:16.040 of a chance. How do you, as a director, how 0:49:16.080 --> 0:49:18.520 do you adapt to that this kind of landscape. 0:49:18.080 --> 0:49:20.440 Whit I mean, there's nothing you can do it just 0:49:20.600 --> 0:49:24.439 hope that I don't know, it's so hard. I think 0:49:24.480 --> 0:49:29.520 with you know, Winning Time. It's also a very, very 0:49:29.600 --> 0:49:34.120 expensive show to make, so it's hard to just let 0:49:34.200 --> 0:49:37.280 it hit its stride. Although I felt like this second 0:49:37.320 --> 0:49:42.040 season so you were really falling into a nice spot. 0:49:43.480 --> 0:49:46.960 But you know, the things have changed down here, and 0:49:47.560 --> 0:49:49.480 you know, in the business, who knows. I don't know 0:49:49.600 --> 0:49:51.680 the decision making. I know I did what I was 0:49:51.680 --> 0:49:57.120 supposed to do and people are loving it, and you know, 0:49:57.239 --> 0:49:59.640 I just kind of blow where the wind takes me. 0:50:04.719 --> 0:50:10.560 How do they determine what is a successful series and 0:50:10.640 --> 0:50:15.840 worth investigating as opposed to not nowadays? Because I mean, 0:50:15.880 --> 0:50:18.200 if we're Winning Time, they're not going on or they're 0:50:18.239 --> 0:50:19.320 not sharing. 0:50:20.840 --> 0:50:22.000 Nielsen rating still. 0:50:22.960 --> 0:50:27.799 For network TV, it's different on on those platform I. 0:50:27.800 --> 0:50:30.560 Know, for streaming or whatever, they don't share the numbers. 0:50:30.680 --> 0:50:35.200 You don't know, So I mean to to sort of 0:50:35.280 --> 0:50:39.600 prematurely yank it before it gets its chance to really 0:50:39.640 --> 0:50:41.080 unfurl and reveal itself. 0:50:41.400 --> 0:50:46.560 Like I think, there's so many factors. There's so like 0:50:47.600 --> 0:50:50.080 is it getting is it getting awards? Is it getting 0:50:50.120 --> 0:50:53.480 nominated that maybe even if it wasn't. 0:50:53.239 --> 0:50:57.560 Getting Lovecraft like that got so many that left for 0:50:57.640 --> 0:50:59.560 another reason, right, Like that didn't even have anything to 0:50:59.560 --> 0:51:01.480 do with no that was creative. 0:51:01.719 --> 0:51:05.080 Yeah, I think there were some things going on. Yeah, 0:51:05.920 --> 0:51:09.800 So there's so many there's so I heard Casey Bloyse, 0:51:09.840 --> 0:51:11.919 who's you know they head to HBO. I heard him 0:51:12.040 --> 0:51:15.240 on a podcast talking and there's just so many factors. 0:51:15.280 --> 0:51:21.200 It can be a show that is like artistically fantastic, 0:51:22.320 --> 0:51:25.480 that doesn't cost them a lot and may not be 0:51:25.640 --> 0:51:28.640 getting but is getting all the great reviews, may not 0:51:28.719 --> 0:51:31.919 be getting all the numbers, but maybe that show can 0:51:31.960 --> 0:51:36.640 come back because it's getting some of the artistic things 0:51:36.640 --> 0:51:38.400 they want and doesn't cost that much to make, so 0:51:38.440 --> 0:51:41.600 it works, you know. So there's all these different factors 0:51:41.640 --> 0:51:43.759 he was talking about on this podcast. 0:51:43.840 --> 0:51:47.080 So again, so do you attribute the success of the 0:51:47.120 --> 0:51:48.960 Gilded Age to that? 0:51:49.080 --> 0:51:49.640 To the what you just. 0:51:49.600 --> 0:51:52.799 Said about awards and whatnot, because now there are I. 0:51:52.760 --> 0:51:55.720 Mean, we got things for behind the scenes, but actors 0:51:55.719 --> 0:51:58.160 weren't getting it the show, you know, but we don't 0:51:58.160 --> 0:52:00.120 even know. I mean this is the second scene and 0:52:00.239 --> 0:52:03.479 Gilded we had our second season winning time. I think 0:52:03.600 --> 0:52:06.879 Gilded is going to be you know, and we don't 0:52:06.880 --> 0:52:09.319 know about the season three of Gilded until it's out 0:52:09.360 --> 0:52:12.080 and we see what the numbers are. I think that 0:52:13.000 --> 0:52:16.520 the second season of Gilded is fantastic and fun, you know, 0:52:16.840 --> 0:52:20.080 so who knows? But also about winning time was about 0:52:20.120 --> 0:52:21.239 you know, I don't know right right? 0:52:21.640 --> 0:52:25.720 So okay, when you when you got the Gilded Project, 0:52:26.840 --> 0:52:28.680 what was your please? 0:52:28.920 --> 0:52:29.920 I was like, how did I get this? 0:52:30.040 --> 0:52:31.080 Please? Tell us? 0:52:31.400 --> 0:52:34.480 But yeah, like, what was your knowledge of life in 0:52:34.520 --> 0:52:35.440 the eighteen hundreds? 0:52:35.440 --> 0:52:37.719 At the same knowledge that anybody else has? 0:52:37.800 --> 0:52:38.520 Right fast? 0:52:38.560 --> 0:52:40.560 If you think about it, like had you heard of 0:52:40.560 --> 0:52:45.200 the Gilded Age? Even listen, white, black, blue man, woman, 0:52:45.360 --> 0:52:48.080 nobody who's living in the eighteen hundreds? Most people are 0:52:48.120 --> 0:52:49.800 not historians. 0:52:50.719 --> 0:52:53.799 But there's always some historian like, well, actually they you know. 0:52:54.040 --> 0:52:57.040 We have, But I have you there to fulfill, you know, 0:52:57.120 --> 0:52:59.560 to tell me what that stuff is. I was a 0:52:59.680 --> 0:53:03.040 lover of period pieces. I've always loved them. I had 0:53:03.280 --> 0:53:06.080 watched all of Down to Abbey. I had if you 0:53:06.280 --> 0:53:09.319 say on the list, I would love like Dangerous Liaisons. 0:53:09.760 --> 0:53:12.720 I have to watch that over and over, you know. Anyway, 0:53:12.880 --> 0:53:17.200 So when that opportunity came up to UH to meet 0:53:17.280 --> 0:53:22.880 with them, I was ready and I had done enough. 0:53:23.360 --> 0:53:26.359 I hadn't done a show like that, and they were 0:53:26.360 --> 0:53:29.799 looking for a black woman in particular, I think, to 0:53:29.960 --> 0:53:31.840 fill that role because they knew they were going to 0:53:31.920 --> 0:53:35.239 have this black family in it, and they also knew 0:53:35.239 --> 0:53:37.840 they needed a woman's point of view because of what 0:53:37.960 --> 0:53:40.960 the show was. And so I met and I just 0:53:41.000 --> 0:53:43.120 told them about my love of the show. I'm very 0:53:43.160 --> 0:53:46.640 good with detail. I'm a good student of things. So 0:53:47.760 --> 0:53:50.719 somehow or another I convince them, like I did when 0:53:50.760 --> 0:53:54.200 I moved to LA and convinced William y'all should sign me. 0:53:54.239 --> 0:53:56.080 I ain't got no tape, but I can do it. 0:53:56.920 --> 0:53:59.080 I was, I'm good again, I'm good in to interview. 0:53:59.400 --> 0:54:03.279 I convinced and I can do this, and they said yes, 0:54:04.520 --> 0:54:12.400 and and and then that because of COVID, because initially 0:54:12.440 --> 0:54:15.040 I was only supposed to do two episodes, and then 0:54:15.239 --> 0:54:19.560 COVID happened, and that's part of the thing that launched 0:54:19.600 --> 0:54:25.840 it into me then producing and doing more of the episodes. Uh, 0:54:25.920 --> 0:54:27.960 and grew into this deal at HBO. It was like 0:54:28.000 --> 0:54:30.440 this whole weird thing that I don't even know how it. 0:54:30.400 --> 0:54:31.560 Has all deal. 0:54:31.840 --> 0:54:34.760 You mean you're over me to Sally Richards and Whitfield 0:54:35.200 --> 0:54:38.120 HBO overall deal, which I don't Most people don't even 0:54:38.160 --> 0:54:41.200 understand what that means but congratulations, This. 0:54:41.239 --> 0:54:43.560 Means that you can develop your own projects there. 0:54:43.840 --> 0:54:45.920 Yeah, and they just give me a certain amount of 0:54:45.920 --> 0:54:48.640 money and I'm exclusive to them and everything. 0:54:54.320 --> 0:54:59.480 Yo. Black Dynamite is one of my favorite movies. You 0:54:59.560 --> 0:55:02.440 bodyed it well, Thank you, thank you mother. 0:55:02.840 --> 0:55:06.200 Okay, So I first became aware of you, of posse. 0:55:06.600 --> 0:55:09.880 Could you talk about the process that led to Mario 0:55:10.400 --> 0:55:10.920 hiring you? 0:55:11.640 --> 0:55:11.759 So? 0:55:12.120 --> 0:55:16.759 I think I actually got the audition, I mean through 0:55:16.800 --> 0:55:22.040 my agent. But I had met Blair Underwood somehow in 0:55:22.239 --> 0:55:24.000 La you know, i'd been there a little about it, 0:55:24.320 --> 0:55:27.080 you know that year, right, met him at a party 0:55:27.360 --> 0:55:30.640 and he told Mario. I think he told Mario about 0:55:30.640 --> 0:55:33.399 me and said I'd be perfect for this film. She's 0:55:33.520 --> 0:55:36.960 black and American Indian. Right. So I go in an 0:55:36.960 --> 0:55:42.040 audition with everybody else and I got down to the 0:55:42.120 --> 0:55:45.880 last few. But then they hired someone else. I'll tell 0:55:45.920 --> 0:55:48.680 you who that was in a secondly, because it's okay, 0:55:48.719 --> 0:55:50.120 I can tell you. Wait a minute. Is this a 0:55:50.160 --> 0:55:54.080 thing where they hired someone else and they were shooting 0:55:54.400 --> 0:55:55.120 and they say. 0:55:55.000 --> 0:55:56.920 No, no, no, And then it comes down to you. 0:55:57.520 --> 0:56:01.319 They were shooting and they were like I got a call. Okay, 0:56:01.360 --> 0:56:05.719 So I don't get it. I'm sad because I was like, 0:56:06.239 --> 0:56:09.359 who else can be? But at that time, my hair 0:56:09.520 --> 0:56:15.800 legit was down here, dead straight. I'm like, my mama 0:56:15.840 --> 0:56:20.520 has always told me we got charity, and I am American, 0:56:20.600 --> 0:56:27.759 and I got a picture of my great grandmother and 0:56:27.800 --> 0:56:30.960 she is two braids, and I'm pretty sure my mama 0:56:30.960 --> 0:56:35.839 ain't lying anyway, So I don't get it. And then 0:56:35.920 --> 0:56:41.680 one day I get a call on it Saturday and 0:56:41.719 --> 0:56:46.440 they're like, oh, they have fire the actress. Can you 0:56:46.560 --> 0:56:52.680 be here later on tonight? You're shooting Monday. That person 0:56:53.080 --> 0:57:03.360 is stay and I think she got there and whatever. 0:57:03.520 --> 0:57:05.520 I don't know. I heard there was some you know, 0:57:05.560 --> 0:57:10.000 it wasn't going well, difficult anyway. I don't know I 0:57:10.040 --> 0:57:12.880 went there. But all I know is I got a 0:57:12.920 --> 0:57:15.680 call Saturday and Monday I was shooting. 0:57:15.800 --> 0:57:19.000 How did you feel when you got I. 0:57:19.040 --> 0:57:21.680 Still remember where I was. I was at some guy's house. 0:57:21.720 --> 0:57:30.320 I was dating, and I don't even know if I 0:57:30.320 --> 0:57:33.240 had time to think, you know, I was just like, oh, 0:57:33.600 --> 0:57:34.840 I got it. 0:57:34.840 --> 0:57:36.680 Was just Saturday, and you start on Monday. 0:57:37.560 --> 0:57:39.600 Well, I don't know if I started now. I started 0:57:39.600 --> 0:57:42.240 that week. I was there. Whatever hair they had got 0:57:42.240 --> 0:57:45.080 for her track. They put that in my head and 0:57:45.160 --> 0:57:45.680 put that. 0:57:45.560 --> 0:57:46.200 Happened on me. 0:57:46.320 --> 0:57:50.880 I was, how much preparation did you have to to do? 0:57:51.720 --> 0:57:53.360 I don't know. I just started. I don't you know. 0:57:53.400 --> 0:57:55.240 It's been a while, but it's not like I had 0:57:55.280 --> 0:57:58.720 that many deep lines. I already wrote. I knew how 0:57:58.720 --> 0:58:03.520 to ride and stuff. So getting ready for another movie audition, 0:58:03.600 --> 0:58:05.960 I had learned, you know, Glenn Turman has a ranch. 0:58:06.600 --> 0:58:08.640 So I had met some people who took me to 0:58:08.680 --> 0:58:11.480 Glenn Turman's ranch and Glenn taught me how to like 0:58:11.600 --> 0:58:14.720 really ride. So I was ready. I was like, I 0:58:14.840 --> 0:58:19.080 got there. I had a young brain. I could memorize anything. 0:58:19.200 --> 0:58:21.280 Now I'd be like, well, I need two weeks to 0:58:21.320 --> 0:58:25.920 memorize this. And I was there and I was shooting, 0:58:26.080 --> 0:58:29.480 and I'm there with Tone Loak and Big Daddy Kane 0:58:30.040 --> 0:58:35.880 and yes At Melvin and Mario and and Pam Greer 0:58:36.640 --> 0:58:38.720 and I mean, we had all sorts of people there. 0:58:38.880 --> 0:58:41.640 It was a it was a dream. It like it's 0:58:41.680 --> 0:58:45.920 a blur in my mind. We used to play during 0:58:45.920 --> 0:58:48.960 our breaks, like on the weekend, we would play basketball. 0:58:50.080 --> 0:58:54.040 I remember tiny I was still good in basketball then. 0:58:54.080 --> 0:58:56.080 I could still because when I first was out here, 0:58:56.160 --> 0:58:58.040 I would do that. That's when they used to do 0:58:58.440 --> 0:59:02.160 celebrity basketball tournaments, So I used to play in all 0:59:02.200 --> 0:59:05.440 of those games. I was still I was still pretty decent. 0:59:05.480 --> 0:59:06.520 Then what's your position? 0:59:11.200 --> 0:59:17.640 Lists this entire tablets. 0:59:15.840 --> 0:59:18.120 Played center on my boys and Girls club basketball team. 0:59:18.600 --> 0:59:23.240 I played the sports here we go. No you have 0:59:24.480 --> 0:59:26.080 you got it, bron, I don't know nothing much for it. 0:59:26.400 --> 0:59:29.160 Yeah, so yeah, it was. We had the best time 0:59:29.360 --> 0:59:30.000 on that movie. 0:59:30.040 --> 0:59:33.560 I mean, I wanted to ask you about low down, 0:59:33.560 --> 0:59:37.360 dirty Shane, which is probably my favorite role of yours, right, 0:59:37.440 --> 0:59:39.800 like straight up and down. And I was thinking about 0:59:39.840 --> 0:59:42.520 what you were saying earlier about how directors it is 0:59:42.600 --> 0:59:45.200 read that you were pushed in some ways. I think 0:59:45.240 --> 0:59:47.800 the reason why I really liked that role is because 0:59:47.840 --> 0:59:49.480 that was the first time that I remember kind of 0:59:49.480 --> 0:59:51.680 seeing you as a villain, and I just thought, I 0:59:52.360 --> 0:59:54.120 was like, yo, I want to see more. Sally is 0:59:54.160 --> 0:59:56.360 like the villain, like just straight up, you know, just 0:59:56.400 --> 0:59:56.600 you know. 0:59:56.760 --> 0:59:59.320 So unfortunately, you know, also, I came up at a 0:59:59.360 --> 1:00:03.400 time where there wasn't that many it wasn't that many 1:00:03.480 --> 1:00:07.040 jobs we were It was really all of us, Me Jada, 1:00:07.600 --> 1:00:12.280 h Nia, Everybody's going for the same thing, and Jada 1:00:12.520 --> 1:00:16.120 nia few people kind of they were already there. Honestly, 1:00:16.160 --> 1:00:17.840 they had started a little sooner than me. You know, 1:00:17.880 --> 1:00:20.240 people start taking off and there's just not a lot 1:00:20.280 --> 1:00:25.040 of spots for you. But also when I talk about 1:00:25.840 --> 1:00:28.320 not being pushed there, I also have been given that 1:00:28.400 --> 1:00:31.560 many roles where there was an opportunity to push me 1:00:31.680 --> 1:00:33.480 to do something that different. 1:00:33.720 --> 1:00:36.040 You know, what would be an example of something now, 1:00:36.080 --> 1:00:37.480 a role now that you would. 1:00:37.560 --> 1:00:40.720 Or a role that you went after that close but 1:00:40.840 --> 1:00:42.200 no cigar moment. 1:00:42.880 --> 1:00:46.760 Oh, those are so many. I mean probably every every 1:00:46.800 --> 1:00:49.800 movie you've seen another black actress the lead in, we 1:00:49.840 --> 1:00:51.440 all knew. We all went out for the same thing. 1:00:51.640 --> 1:00:55.680 Remember I said I screen test me. I think Tisha 1:00:55.720 --> 1:01:00.080 Campbell was there too, and then Jada for Nuttie Professor 1:01:00.120 --> 1:01:03.120 and they gave it to Jada. Yeah, I think it 1:01:03.160 --> 1:01:04.440 was the three of us testing. 1:01:04.760 --> 1:01:07.800 So, Okay, when you talk about testing, what is the 1:01:07.920 --> 1:01:14.240 process of testing, because I've heard like, okay, he's coming recold. 1:01:13.880 --> 1:01:18.360 For those are auditions. Those are like the yes's. 1:01:17.720 --> 1:01:21.520 Testing, like a chemistry test to see chemistry, character gets along. 1:01:21.520 --> 1:01:24.919 And when I say a screen test, that's a whole 1:01:24.960 --> 1:01:28.400 different thing. So when I said rage and Harlem, I 1:01:28.480 --> 1:01:33.640 read with Forrest on a set in full hair, makeup, costume, 1:01:33.800 --> 1:01:36.800 him and costume. We're doing a scene from the movie 1:01:36.920 --> 1:01:41.560 being filmed on the cameras. That's like, it looks like 1:01:41.760 --> 1:01:42.640 the movie almost. 1:01:42.720 --> 1:01:46.960 How often does that process happen now? Still or not? 1:01:47.240 --> 1:01:52.760 I don't think as much, Nutti Professor, same thing. Eddie 1:01:52.880 --> 1:01:57.760 came out in full on makeup. I'm their hair makeup 1:01:57.920 --> 1:02:00.120 you're in. I think we were in a lab or 1:02:00.120 --> 1:02:02.440 something and we did a scene from the movie and 1:02:02.480 --> 1:02:07.000 they filmed this same data. Got what's funny is that? 1:02:07.720 --> 1:02:10.120 What's funny is that's what my hair looks like this? 1:02:10.640 --> 1:02:14.280 And then I saw the movie and it was a yeah, 1:02:15.080 --> 1:02:18.680 Jada's wig, so my hair was just like that. And 1:02:18.680 --> 1:02:20.640 then they did the movie. I said, they put my 1:02:20.760 --> 1:02:26.280 hair on. That's what I decided, because you know, she 1:02:26.320 --> 1:02:29.840 had really short hair. I said, what is this in. 1:02:29.800 --> 1:02:31.080 Your in your acting fees? 1:02:31.480 --> 1:02:36.400 Like for you, are movies the the ultimate goal or 1:02:36.440 --> 1:02:38.440 the security of a series? 1:02:39.720 --> 1:02:43.200 Well, as an actress, you want the security of you know, 1:02:43.240 --> 1:02:46.880 if you could get a scandal, listen, you move because 1:02:46.920 --> 1:02:49.160 most of the time, unless you are the big A 1:02:49.280 --> 1:02:53.280 list actor, you're not making that much to do a film, 1:02:54.960 --> 1:03:01.160 you know, maybe you know, maybe a few hundred thousand 1:03:01.200 --> 1:03:04.280 dollars which will last you for a little while, you. 1:03:04.280 --> 1:03:09.439 Know, back to my original analogy. So a small role 1:03:10.400 --> 1:03:13.840 as the girlfriend or whatever, any movie that's just enough 1:03:13.880 --> 1:03:17.560 for maybe if you're two months three months out here. 1:03:18.560 --> 1:03:20.640 A small role or what are you talking about? Like 1:03:21.000 --> 1:03:25.240 my role in Low Down? Yes, probably that was my 1:03:25.360 --> 1:03:30.160 biggest paycheck, main character in that one. Yeah, so that 1:03:30.240 --> 1:03:33.200 gave me enough money to live on for a little while. 1:03:33.480 --> 1:03:36.560 And again I'm going, in my mind, I think that 1:03:36.800 --> 1:03:39.720 the people need to have more of this mindset. I 1:03:39.840 --> 1:03:44.760 go because everyone else is mine. They're like, oh you well, 1:03:44.800 --> 1:03:47.040 because people are telling you that, ooh you about to 1:03:47.120 --> 1:03:50.440 take off, right, it's about to be it. In my mind, 1:03:50.640 --> 1:03:57.000 I already knew at that point. Yeah, I'm not trusting it. 1:03:57.520 --> 1:04:00.760 Do you book a project at a time or do you? 1:04:02.480 --> 1:04:03.560 Are you allowed to stack? 1:04:04.400 --> 1:04:08.320 Of course if you can. Again, at that time, there 1:04:08.440 --> 1:04:11.800 wasn't a lot of too stack. I don't know what 1:04:11.960 --> 1:04:13.880 I did. I don't know what I did after that. 1:04:15.240 --> 1:04:16.360 So are you frugal enough? 1:04:16.360 --> 1:04:17.240 They're doing Low Down? 1:04:17.280 --> 1:04:17.920 Dirty shame? 1:04:18.120 --> 1:04:20.640 After that, you were still in your one bedroom or 1:04:20.680 --> 1:04:22.439 did you go i'most step it up and get two. 1:04:23.240 --> 1:04:27.240 Listen when we were when we were shooting, when we 1:04:27.240 --> 1:04:29.960 were shooting low down, dirty shame. I and I had 1:04:30.000 --> 1:04:33.200 done Posse and some other small things. I still had 1:04:33.240 --> 1:04:34.640 that six hundred dollar car. 1:04:35.000 --> 1:04:36.240 Wowkauy of that. 1:04:36.480 --> 1:04:42.240 I drove to La n and Jada and Keenan. They 1:04:42.240 --> 1:04:47.280 were like, listen, you have got to get a new car. 1:04:47.360 --> 1:04:50.760 And I did remember. I remember pulling up on the 1:04:50.920 --> 1:04:52.960 set and they all, you know, Jada had been on 1:04:53.200 --> 1:04:56.680 some series and they got nice cars. I would meet 1:04:56.720 --> 1:05:00.040 people at parties and at restaurants and I would not vow. 1:05:00.440 --> 1:05:03.120 Because that's what I was going to ask. And I 1:05:03.400 --> 1:05:03.680 know that. 1:05:03.680 --> 1:05:07.240 Well, at some point, like I couldn't put my window down. 1:05:07.280 --> 1:05:10.480 It was you know, it looked good. You know. Again, 1:05:10.760 --> 1:05:15.960 I was like, so I finally like, least a truck 1:05:17.600 --> 1:05:22.000 did at least ah, well, you know everybody has an SGUV. 1:05:22.160 --> 1:05:22.360 Yes. 1:05:22.600 --> 1:05:23.880 I didn't know if he was going how she'd be 1:05:23.880 --> 1:05:25.200 we I was gonna be a rabnet. 1:05:25.280 --> 1:05:27.360 I was like, no, no, no, I leased a car. 1:05:27.600 --> 1:05:29.840 I don't know, but I was afraid, you know, I 1:05:29.920 --> 1:05:32.919 was just afraid. I was afraid of being broke. I'm 1:05:32.960 --> 1:05:37.320 in I didn't have I have lovely parents, I have 1:05:37.360 --> 1:05:41.080 a very supportive family, but there wasn't an wasn't a 1:05:41.080 --> 1:05:43.880 bunch of money to be sending to help me, and 1:05:44.480 --> 1:05:47.520 nor did I ever ask. So I moved to l A. 1:05:47.880 --> 1:05:51.480 This was my choice. I have to make. I'm out 1:05:51.480 --> 1:05:54.600 here on my own and not not to say I 1:05:54.600 --> 1:05:56.640 couldn't have gone back to Chicago and had a place 1:05:56.680 --> 1:05:59.120 to go. Like again, I love my family that would 1:05:59.160 --> 1:06:01.200 have done anything for me. But I never had to 1:06:01.320 --> 1:06:02.400 ask for anything. 1:06:02.640 --> 1:06:03.920 And was there a. 1:06:03.880 --> 1:06:08.600 Moment where you're just like, I'm out here like no, 1:06:09.400 --> 1:06:11.400 so you just never no matter how not. 1:06:11.400 --> 1:06:15.960 That I wasn't at home weeping and crying and when 1:06:16.000 --> 1:06:18.320 am I going to work? And just I did weep 1:06:18.360 --> 1:06:22.320 and cry about that stuff. I was like, that's not 1:06:22.360 --> 1:06:26.400 in front of people, that's by myself. You know, you 1:06:26.440 --> 1:06:28.880 know you have that depression. I haven't worked in three, 1:06:29.000 --> 1:06:31.880 four or five months? Is what's the next thing going 1:06:31.960 --> 1:06:38.520 to be? But I always worked enough to keep going. 1:06:38.640 --> 1:06:43.360 I never and I never spent beyond my means. I 1:06:43.440 --> 1:06:46.560 never I was always because I just didn't. You know, 1:06:46.600 --> 1:06:49.280 when you come from not having everything you want, you 1:06:49.720 --> 1:06:53.080 should be conservative. I think you're on both sides, or 1:06:53.120 --> 1:06:54.560 you just start spending all your money. 1:06:55.480 --> 1:06:57.480 So are you the person now that like, since we're 1:06:57.560 --> 1:07:01.600 going through this long asst right, people are now calling like, Sally, 1:07:01.640 --> 1:07:03.640 how did you do it? Like, Sally, help me get 1:07:03.640 --> 1:07:06.240 through it? Like you just seem maybe in that way 1:07:06.320 --> 1:07:07.280 because people. 1:07:07.080 --> 1:07:10.200 I've been telling I've been telling everyone listen, I don't 1:07:10.240 --> 1:07:14.720 know how Like my assistant, I kept going, Hey, we 1:07:14.800 --> 1:07:16.640 don't know how long the strike is going to be. 1:07:17.440 --> 1:07:21.400 Right now, I'm still getting my money and everything they haven't, 1:07:21.880 --> 1:07:25.080 which means I can still pay you. But anything could happen, 1:07:25.600 --> 1:07:31.160 So don't get comfortable. I know everybody must be jealous 1:07:31.160 --> 1:07:32.800 of that, because if you ain't, if they ain't paying me, 1:07:32.880 --> 1:07:35.000 you ain't get paid because I don't have I don't 1:07:35.000 --> 1:07:38.400 have it like that, you know. So I've been with her. 1:07:38.520 --> 1:07:41.000 I see people. I judge people all the time. During 1:07:41.000 --> 1:07:44.360 this time, I've been seeing some of my friends or 1:07:44.440 --> 1:07:46.880 some of the people in my director's group going on 1:07:47.040 --> 1:07:50.120 trips and stuff, and I'm knowing that they don't work 1:07:50.560 --> 1:07:52.440 as much as I do, you know, like you know 1:07:52.480 --> 1:07:56.160 where I'm like, I'm like, uh, why they on that 1:07:56.240 --> 1:08:00.000 trip I'm like, they got something going on. I don't know, 1:08:00.200 --> 1:08:03.080 but I'm like, okay, I'm glad. 1:08:02.880 --> 1:08:04.680 I'm not the only person. And things like that, like 1:08:04.720 --> 1:08:07.200 I'll see somebody like I'm. 1:08:07.160 --> 1:08:09.560 Judging people well, and I'm judging your money. I don't 1:08:09.560 --> 1:08:12.040 know what you got all the time. 1:08:16.960 --> 1:08:21.400 How did you maintain your sanity in a straight but 1:08:21.479 --> 1:08:27.719 also your creativity? And really was the rule that you're 1:08:27.880 --> 1:08:30.680 not supposed to do any work whatsoever? 1:08:31.760 --> 1:08:34.559 Well, I can do stuff on like me and my 1:08:34.680 --> 1:08:38.680 manager can talk about stuff. You know. I have projects 1:08:38.720 --> 1:08:41.240 that I've been developing for a while that I can 1:08:41.280 --> 1:08:43.479 do stuff on my own. I'm sitting there. I have 1:08:43.520 --> 1:08:46.560 to make like my pitch decks. I have a documentary 1:08:46.600 --> 1:08:50.000 that I'm working on in which I can do so 1:08:50.120 --> 1:08:53.679 I've been working on this like sizzle. I've been able 1:08:53.720 --> 1:08:57.840 to pitch some of my documentary stuff. So, you know, 1:08:57.960 --> 1:09:00.240 So I've been able to do some things. And and 1:09:00.280 --> 1:09:03.240 then I've you know, drove my husband a little crazy 1:09:03.360 --> 1:09:05.960 because probably everything in our every drawer in our house 1:09:06.000 --> 1:09:11.280 has been reorganized. We're we're onto the garage. I'm not 1:09:12.360 --> 1:09:17.040 like right now, I was audience. I have a back injury. 1:09:17.560 --> 1:09:21.840 I am not good I can't not do. I'm a doer. 1:09:22.360 --> 1:09:23.240 You can't relax. 1:09:23.800 --> 1:09:26.720 I'm a twenty fource. And maybe one day and then 1:09:26.800 --> 1:09:30.760 after that, I'm like, I'm being real irresponsible. Right now 1:09:30.880 --> 1:09:33.080 I need to get up. I'm gonna I just have 1:09:33.160 --> 1:09:37.000 to do something. So I'm like, well, I got nothing 1:09:37.000 --> 1:09:39.479 else to do. We're gonna reorganize the house. We're gonna 1:09:39.479 --> 1:09:42.559 do this. I've been needing to get this done because. 1:09:42.360 --> 1:09:44.880 I wanted you to be silent, and I have. 1:09:45.040 --> 1:09:47.000 I found that's why I got COVID and then I 1:09:47.080 --> 1:09:47.599 got hurt. 1:09:47.600 --> 1:09:50.280 My back set you down, literally. 1:09:50.760 --> 1:09:53.800 But but I've been watching stuff on the on my 1:09:53.960 --> 1:09:55.840 side as I lay in the bed on my side. 1:09:58.040 --> 1:10:00.880 But I've learned that if you're sitting aroun not doing, 1:10:01.320 --> 1:10:06.320 things get done not they don't get done, and things 1:10:06.439 --> 1:10:10.240 move ahead because there's other people doing this last year. 1:10:11.320 --> 1:10:11.439 Uh. 1:10:11.600 --> 1:10:14.200 And a lot of that is through having this HBO 1:10:14.360 --> 1:10:18.680 deal and kind of coming into my own enough that 1:10:19.360 --> 1:10:24.799 I go, I'm not getting this work because I'm a woman. 1:10:25.360 --> 1:10:28.920 I'm not getting this work because I'm black. I'm getting 1:10:29.000 --> 1:10:33.599 these jobs now because I really am the best person 1:10:33.680 --> 1:10:38.920 for this job. And luckily and now they can also 1:10:39.000 --> 1:10:41.799 check these boxes off. You know, it's like some added 1:10:41.840 --> 1:10:45.240 little thing. So I think somewhere in that confidence has 1:10:45.320 --> 1:10:47.640 made me go, you can relax a little bit. We like, 1:10:47.840 --> 1:10:49.600 we had a big group trip. We all went to 1:10:49.720 --> 1:10:54.400 South Africa together, which was not a cheap trip trip. 1:10:54.360 --> 1:10:59.680 With like that. 1:11:00.439 --> 1:11:04.760 I have some fancy friends, Jeff and Nicole Friday from ABFF. 1:11:05.439 --> 1:11:08.479 Jeff and Nicole liked I'm shouting them out. They like 1:11:08.560 --> 1:11:11.840 to travel nicely, so they forced me out of my 1:11:11.920 --> 1:11:16.200 comfort zone. And my husband's very happy because you know, 1:11:16.240 --> 1:11:18.240 he could just kind of let me be who I 1:11:18.280 --> 1:11:21.680 am and just shakes his head. But we had a 1:11:21.680 --> 1:11:25.280 fabulous trip, so I was like, Okay, we're gonna go 1:11:25.320 --> 1:11:28.080 take this once in a lifetime trip with my children. 1:11:28.600 --> 1:11:30.360 And my daughter and I took a trip before she 1:11:30.439 --> 1:11:33.760 went to college. So I've been able to relax a 1:11:33.760 --> 1:11:36.920 little bit. And then I come back and then I 1:11:37.160 --> 1:11:39.200 get a moment of being afraid or we spend too 1:11:39.280 --> 1:11:41.920 much money, But you know, you have to enjoy this stuff. 1:11:41.960 --> 1:11:44.800 I want to ask you about Dondre. I've had a 1:11:44.880 --> 1:11:46.880 chance to meet him. This has been a couple of years. 1:11:46.880 --> 1:11:51.480 Back on Queen Sugar Good Buddy my Omar that plays Hollywood. 1:11:52.120 --> 1:11:54.400 We hung out in New York one night and he 1:11:54.600 --> 1:11:56.760 was coolest dude. You know what I'm saying. I don't 1:11:56.800 --> 1:11:57.839 know how he is at home. 1:11:57.720 --> 1:12:01.320 But with us, it's been twenty we've been together twenty 1:12:01.320 --> 1:12:01.840 six years. 1:12:03.080 --> 1:12:05.240 Question, how do y'all? Because I think I think it's. 1:12:05.040 --> 1:12:07.920 Like y'all and like Courtney and Angela Bassett, like. 1:12:07.960 --> 1:12:09.240 Y'all, like one of the only. 1:12:10.760 --> 1:12:13.920 Surviving no pressure, no pressure now now because now now 1:12:13.960 --> 1:12:17.759 you just jinxes. That's like watching golf. He's been making 1:12:17.760 --> 1:12:21.080 this but all you got to miss it now, Okay. 1:12:20.840 --> 1:12:23.360 Go ahead, How did all survive for so long? What? 1:12:23.360 --> 1:12:24.160 What you know? 1:12:24.240 --> 1:12:27.519 It's specifically and not just in a mess, but just 1:12:27.920 --> 1:12:29.880 I mean too creative as professionals. 1:12:29.920 --> 1:12:31.360 Yeah, like that's a lie. 1:12:31.479 --> 1:12:32.320 You directed him? 1:12:32.720 --> 1:12:38.360 You know what? I don't know? Andre and I obviously 1:12:38.400 --> 1:12:42.200 we we love each other very much. We have two 1:12:42.600 --> 1:12:44.720 very I think a lot of it. We have two 1:12:44.840 --> 1:12:50.040 very happy children. And once you're you know, my my 1:12:50.040 --> 1:12:52.720 son's going into heigh it just is a freshman this year, 1:12:52.840 --> 1:12:58.240 and my uh, my daughter is. It's film and pure. 1:13:00.160 --> 1:13:09.720 So you look at your children and but you know, 1:13:09.800 --> 1:13:12.720 you look at your children, and that's also a motivating 1:13:12.800 --> 1:13:15.120 factor of that, no matter what our issues are, we 1:13:15.160 --> 1:13:17.040 need to figure this out. We got happy, We got 1:13:17.040 --> 1:13:20.360 a happy little family here, and there's a you know, 1:13:20.400 --> 1:13:23.800 there's a mutual respect there and I don't know, we're 1:13:23.800 --> 1:13:27.120 both very competitive and that competitive nature of Oh no, 1:13:27.160 --> 1:13:31.000 we're gonna stay together. We committed to this. They're gonna 1:13:31.000 --> 1:13:36.200 figure this out. Also, somehow, I think we both know 1:13:36.400 --> 1:13:40.720 if you look out here, ain't nothing. There's nothing out 1:13:40.800 --> 1:13:49.080 here in the street. And I mean, honestly, I mean 1:13:49.120 --> 1:13:51.840 for me, like what we're come on, you get to 1:13:51.880 --> 1:13:55.479 a certain age? What what? What? Who I'm on? Meet now? 1:13:56.080 --> 1:13:58.439 And who's gonna treat me like my husband treats me? 1:14:00.240 --> 1:14:06.160 Oh because I put out the fat. Yeah, Steve is 1:14:06.160 --> 1:14:09.080 in mare for him right now. Shoot, the silence are good. 1:14:09.560 --> 1:14:12.200 But my husband treats he really does treat me like 1:14:12.240 --> 1:14:14.960 a queen. He takes care of me almost every morning. 1:14:15.000 --> 1:14:17.519 He knows my coffee I want if I'm still, if 1:14:17.520 --> 1:14:20.400 I happen to sleep late, he is bringing that coffee 1:14:20.479 --> 1:14:21.280 up there for me. 1:14:21.640 --> 1:14:25.479 That's my question. Yeah, what is your morning routine? What 1:14:26.120 --> 1:14:26.920 what do you one? 1:14:27.120 --> 1:14:29.400 What time do you automatically wake up without the clock 1:14:29.439 --> 1:14:31.760 waking you up, and what's the first thing you do 1:14:31.800 --> 1:14:33.360 in the first half hour of your day? 1:14:34.240 --> 1:14:34.439 Uh? 1:14:35.280 --> 1:14:36.800 If we're a habitual right. 1:14:36.960 --> 1:14:40.760 Fact, most of the time, my eyes will open at 1:14:40.840 --> 1:14:44.120 six thirty in the morning. Unfortunately, I don't care. My 1:14:44.360 --> 1:14:47.919 eyes just open. Probably we have three dogs. They probably 1:14:47.960 --> 1:14:51.519 made some noise in the room. Uh. Three. We have 1:14:51.560 --> 1:14:56.000 a Rottweiler, a golden Doodle and a crazy Frenchy. 1:14:56.200 --> 1:14:57.120 Do they like each other? 1:14:58.240 --> 1:15:01.320 Yes, they do, although our Frenchie and are Roddy are 1:15:01.360 --> 1:15:07.680 both males who are not fixed and are starting They 1:15:07.800 --> 1:15:11.439 starting to well, they grew up together because they're only 1:15:11.479 --> 1:15:15.080 about they're both like three, three and a half ish, 1:15:15.479 --> 1:15:20.519 and they've just that that loving friendship has changed and 1:15:20.560 --> 1:15:28.160 it's mostly the Frenchie is cool. He's like, if you 1:15:28.160 --> 1:15:30.439 don't mess with me, we good. He gets along with 1:15:30.479 --> 1:15:34.040 other dogs. But that Frenchie is insane anyway. So I 1:15:34.120 --> 1:15:37.599 let the dogs out if if I happen to, you know, 1:15:37.720 --> 1:15:39.559 sleep later, I'll have my coffee, go down and have 1:15:39.600 --> 1:15:43.040 my coffee, and usually I get up. I take the 1:15:43.080 --> 1:15:46.000 dogs on a hike, which is how I hurt my 1:15:46.040 --> 1:15:49.800 back because I slipped, and I take them out separately. 1:15:50.120 --> 1:15:53.160 I take the frenchie by himself for a short walk 1:15:53.200 --> 1:15:54.880 real quick, and then I come back for the other 1:15:54.920 --> 1:15:56.920 two because they can go on a long walk with me. 1:15:57.560 --> 1:16:00.080 So that sort of get my day going. And and 1:16:00.120 --> 1:16:03.200 then you know, nowadays it would be now I have 1:16:03.320 --> 1:16:07.320 maybe these three zoom calls during you know, zoom meetings 1:16:07.520 --> 1:16:10.559 or something, but it's usually and I don't eat till 1:16:10.680 --> 1:16:14.719 probably about twelve thirty one. I'll have a protein shake 1:16:14.920 --> 1:16:16.840 or something. 1:16:16.960 --> 1:16:17.160 Yeah. 1:16:17.200 --> 1:16:21.760 I don't eat in the morning, and that's if I'm 1:16:21.800 --> 1:16:27.840 not working. Okay, you know working, you know, set four. 1:16:28.000 --> 1:16:31.919 In the morning. Whatever. Okay, what what is your secret 1:16:32.000 --> 1:16:36.800 talent that you're allowed to say? Right right right? 1:16:40.000 --> 1:16:42.600 I don't know, I always say I mean I do 1:16:42.720 --> 1:16:44.840 a lot of things. I mean, I'm a golfer. I'm 1:16:44.880 --> 1:16:47.280 a I don't know if that's so secret, but I. 1:16:47.200 --> 1:16:47.760 Think I know. 1:16:48.160 --> 1:16:50.640 Are you a part of the squad? So no, like 1:16:50.680 --> 1:16:53.160 that whole black female squad that goes down well. 1:16:53.600 --> 1:16:56.440 No, I used to do a lot of the celebrity 1:16:56.439 --> 1:16:58.960 golf tournaments and stuff. I used to be actually very good. 1:16:59.000 --> 1:17:00.759 My son is a he's in golfer. 1:17:00.880 --> 1:17:03.679 He's what is it about golfing? 1:17:03.720 --> 1:17:07.360 Because a lot of my friends especially my black friends 1:17:07.360 --> 1:17:10.840 who are professionals. Yeah, like, is there a memo that 1:17:10.880 --> 1:17:13.479 I haven't gotten yet? Like everyone turns forty five and 1:17:13.640 --> 1:17:14.559 suddenly like. 1:17:14.680 --> 1:17:19.719 Well, I've been playing for like least twenty five years. 1:17:19.720 --> 1:17:22.080 I had started playing because Andre played when we met. 1:17:22.400 --> 1:17:25.559 Is it fun or did you start at like golf 1:17:25.560 --> 1:17:26.200 and then top golf? 1:17:26.360 --> 1:17:29.599 Oh no, no, no, no, I started playing golf. Richard Rowntree 1:17:29.640 --> 1:17:32.679 is one of the first people to help me play golf, 1:17:32.760 --> 1:17:36.320 Richard Rowntree and Richard Laws and I've had amazing people 1:17:36.360 --> 1:17:38.400 who have helped me play golf in the beginning, and 1:17:38.479 --> 1:17:42.880 then obviously my husband. I don't if you listen, I'm 1:17:42.880 --> 1:17:45.800 not gonna be doing any more pickup games of basketball 1:17:45.880 --> 1:17:47.680 and stuff like that. I think what it is is 1:17:47.720 --> 1:17:50.320 that golf is something Golf is something you can do 1:17:50.360 --> 1:17:54.320 by yourself, you can do in a group. It's highly therapeutic. 1:17:54.439 --> 1:17:58.800 You can take and smoke, it's highly competitive. It's a 1:17:58.840 --> 1:18:02.760 way for me to compete. I love to I love 1:18:02.840 --> 1:18:05.760 to compete, okay, and it's a way for me to 1:18:05.800 --> 1:18:08.479 do that. And it's it's a hard game. It will 1:18:08.560 --> 1:18:09.840 challenge you, like. 1:18:09.800 --> 1:18:11.679 How long did it take you to learn it? Because 1:18:11.720 --> 1:18:13.840 I feel like, now I'm gonna have to. 1:18:14.120 --> 1:18:15.120 No one has. 1:18:16.760 --> 1:18:20.639 One. Sorry, no. But the thing is is like, all right, 1:18:20.720 --> 1:18:27.599 for instance, uh, our friend Zara, who is no, but she's. 1:18:27.400 --> 1:18:31.719 Stuck in her uh kind of, she's stuck in her mood. 1:18:32.640 --> 1:18:36.760 She's stuck in her mood where like she loves chain restaurants, 1:18:37.240 --> 1:18:43.400 and I'm like, yeah, exactly, oh no you mentioned Chipotle. 1:18:43.600 --> 1:18:47.280 She'll like, she'll just die on the spot. However, you know, 1:18:47.320 --> 1:18:50.679 I'm telling her like, Okay, we're ramping up our games now, 1:18:50.840 --> 1:18:52.920 and you live in Los Angeles and we're doing these 1:18:53.000 --> 1:18:53.960 high powered meetings. 1:18:54.600 --> 1:18:56.080 You might have to learn. 1:18:55.920 --> 1:19:01.240 How to acclamant or adjust yourself to eating sushi. When 1:19:01.320 --> 1:19:04.200 she's her first response, yeah, I hate sushi. Whatever, I'm like, no, 1:19:04.280 --> 1:19:06.240 but like a lot of you know. 1:19:06.520 --> 1:19:07.519 People are gonna be running in. 1:19:07.720 --> 1:19:09.920 That's exactly You're gonna have to. We're gonna have to 1:19:09.960 --> 1:19:14.240 start adulting. And I feel like, for some reason, a 1:19:14.320 --> 1:19:19.000 lot of the high caliber power people that I'm running in. 1:19:18.920 --> 1:19:20.040 It's an expensive sport. 1:19:20.200 --> 1:19:22.559 So that's one thing too, right, Why it's not a 1:19:22.640 --> 1:19:26.120 brokeman's game. It's very expensive to play, right, So I 1:19:26.120 --> 1:19:27.400 mean that's why, Yeah. 1:19:28.439 --> 1:19:31.760 I hole so it's like you're walking from what I've 1:19:31.800 --> 1:19:34.600 heard is a lot of people to use it for networking, 1:19:34.720 --> 1:19:38.000 like because it's I mean it's eighteen, so you walk 1:19:38.000 --> 1:19:38.719 in you talking. 1:19:39.520 --> 1:19:43.840 There's definitely been like on sets on the weekend I'm 1:19:43.960 --> 1:19:46.559 on location, the producers like we're playing off. I'm like, 1:19:46.680 --> 1:19:48.759 I brought my clubs. I played, They're like, you play. 1:19:49.760 --> 1:19:53.400 It is something I've met a lot of people through golf, 1:19:53.520 --> 1:19:56.759 but I don't use it just for that. I love golf. 1:19:56.840 --> 1:20:00.000 It's fun. I watch it. Just stretch before you do it, 1:20:00.040 --> 1:20:03.240 mirror ever, just. 1:20:03.200 --> 1:20:07.240 Despite you, I'll tell you, I'll go with you. Matter 1:20:07.280 --> 1:20:08.720 of fact, why don't we all. 1:20:10.200 --> 1:20:13.479 Next game night, I'm taking everybody to the Top Golf. 1:20:13.560 --> 1:20:16.080 I'm going let's get let's start you there, get a lesson, 1:20:16.120 --> 1:20:17.000 he says, top Golf. 1:20:17.000 --> 1:20:17.240 Okay. 1:20:17.240 --> 1:20:18.400 I was like, that's not the same. 1:20:18.720 --> 1:20:20.880 No, I want to get you could get some. 1:20:21.040 --> 1:20:23.559 You know, you could get some swings in and not 1:20:24.479 --> 1:20:25.640 a physical. 1:20:25.240 --> 1:20:28.240 Game and you you cannot play right now in your 1:20:28.360 --> 1:20:29.160 current condition. 1:20:29.439 --> 1:20:34.280 Absolutely not not because your back is ye stance. That 1:20:34.840 --> 1:20:37.839 would not be a good choice, this injury. 1:20:38.640 --> 1:20:42.599 Can you name me all the non professional jobs that 1:20:42.680 --> 1:20:46.879 you used to have okay, always non industry related. 1:20:47.560 --> 1:20:51.479 So growing up, my grandmother had owned the dry cleaners, 1:20:51.720 --> 1:20:53.760 and that's some at one point at two to three 1:20:53.840 --> 1:20:56.400 of them, like you know. And so in Chicago, a 1:20:56.439 --> 1:20:58.680 lot of times in the high rises you have a 1:20:59.520 --> 1:21:02.680 uh they have a dry cleaner in the building. So 1:21:02.680 --> 1:21:06.000 so I used to work there every weekend in the summer, 1:21:06.040 --> 1:21:12.160 every day for my grandmother. So dry cleaners, copy store, okay, 1:21:12.640 --> 1:21:18.519 pizza place, taking orders and waiting tables at this Italian restaurant. 1:21:18.720 --> 1:21:20.920 And then I used to stuff envelopes for my mother 1:21:21.000 --> 1:21:24.960 at the at Chicago State University during a certain time 1:21:25.040 --> 1:21:27.400 during the year, you'd have she had to pay somebody, 1:21:27.439 --> 1:21:29.240 and I did it. I always had a little job. 1:21:30.320 --> 1:21:32.160 Cereal of choice. 1:21:33.360 --> 1:21:40.000 And then you're not fun in the morning, Okay. Back 1:21:40.040 --> 1:21:44.080 in the day, it would have been, uh, the frosted wheaties. 1:21:44.080 --> 1:21:50.960 Frosted wheaties. I love those things many I love those. 1:21:51.080 --> 1:21:52.400 I could eat those out the box. 1:21:52.560 --> 1:21:57.640 That's my top ten. I like that number six. Yeah, 1:21:57.439 --> 1:21:58.479 oh man, you scared me. 1:22:00.160 --> 1:22:02.519 Because I don't like it gets I have to when 1:22:02.560 --> 1:22:05.519 I would eat it, like I don't like Mike to 1:22:05.520 --> 1:22:07.559 get soggy, so I would have to, like put the 1:22:07.600 --> 1:22:09.280 milk in and eat it real quick while it was 1:22:09.320 --> 1:22:11.639 still crunchy. It gets all mushy and it's gross. 1:22:11.760 --> 1:22:14.519 And okay, I mean, what's your top, dude, I'm peanut, 1:22:14.560 --> 1:22:17.040 but a Captain crunch all day. 1:22:18.120 --> 1:22:18.960 No crunchberries. 1:22:18.960 --> 1:22:20.479 If you're gonna do a Captain crunch, you better do 1:22:20.479 --> 1:22:21.719 a cruncher. I don't know what You're. 1:22:21.960 --> 1:22:23.920 Better eat them with a mouth guard. They're gonna cut 1:22:23.960 --> 1:22:24.479 up the top of the. 1:22:26.200 --> 1:22:28.160 Guys. No, the sugar puff, what is it? 1:22:28.280 --> 1:22:28.840 The what is it? 1:22:28.920 --> 1:22:31.240 The puff with the sugar. 1:22:31.280 --> 1:22:36.840 Tops, kicks, sugar corn pops? No golden crips? What's what's 1:22:36.840 --> 1:22:39.120 the name of the It was like. 1:22:42.240 --> 1:22:45.680 Toaster not No, I don't like that. 1:22:47.560 --> 1:22:50.599 No, I was not a Simon cookie. 1:22:52.400 --> 1:22:54.639 It's like I would get lucky charms. But just eat 1:22:54.680 --> 1:22:54.960 all the. 1:22:57.120 --> 1:23:00.559 You did last night. I got so Now they've made 1:23:00.600 --> 1:23:02.200 fruity pebbles with marshmallows. 1:23:02.240 --> 1:23:04.800 Now, none of that stuff tastes the same as kids like. 1:23:05.120 --> 1:23:05.880 So much sugar. 1:23:06.760 --> 1:23:10.400 It's not the same. I'm still part of the fruit loops. 1:23:10.439 --> 1:23:11.200 I think fruit loops. 1:23:11.640 --> 1:23:13.880 Yeah, okay, apple. 1:23:13.680 --> 1:23:15.000 Jackson of the day. 1:23:15.080 --> 1:23:17.919 If you're asking me now, I'm gonna give you answers 1:23:17.960 --> 1:23:21.120 from back in the day because my eating habits have changed. 1:23:21.200 --> 1:23:23.360 I don't eat here. I'm not gonna have a big 1:23:23.400 --> 1:23:26.320 sugar bomb in the morning. Yeah, that is not a 1:23:26.400 --> 1:23:27.960 good choice to start your day off. 1:23:28.520 --> 1:23:29.479 Yeah, now she's giving. 1:23:31.240 --> 1:23:37.720 PCTAR mushrooms ended this morning. That's what I had. Mushrooms 1:23:37.760 --> 1:23:38.639 are the thing right now. 1:23:38.720 --> 1:23:46.799 There are you in the mushroom like drug mushrooms not drugs, drugs. 1:23:47.840 --> 1:23:53.160 Magic ushrooms are just a little bit different than heroin. Yeah. 1:23:53.200 --> 1:23:55.680 I never with that. Yeah, let's do it. 1:23:55.840 --> 1:23:58.640 But at this point in my life, of course, not 1:23:59.240 --> 1:23:59.680 really what. 1:24:01.280 --> 1:24:04.360 Yes, but been there done that sounds it'll help your tailbow. 1:24:08.080 --> 1:24:10.080 I'm one of those people at this point I would 1:24:10.120 --> 1:24:12.800 not like some of the chances I took as a 1:24:13.080 --> 1:24:13.799 young person. 1:24:14.439 --> 1:24:16.120 You're not changing horses midstream. 1:24:16.760 --> 1:24:16.920 Now. 1:24:17.000 --> 1:24:19.960 I'm like, I could, I could get that one crazy high, 1:24:20.160 --> 1:24:22.559 like something weird that changes my life, and I got 1:24:22.640 --> 1:24:26.880 responsibilities and kids. There's nothing, there is nothing, There is 1:24:27.000 --> 1:24:30.320 no high that I'm chasing. I look back at my 1:24:30.479 --> 1:24:34.200 life and I go, I'm very lucky that nothing crazy happened. 1:24:34.640 --> 1:24:38.760 So I'm a wrapping up and keep moving. A little 1:24:38.840 --> 1:24:46.840 wine and maybe a gummy or something. You started with mushrooms, 1:24:47.040 --> 1:24:50.639 but that's a psychedelic kind. 1:24:50.479 --> 1:24:52.360 Of it's a psychodap. But we talked about drugs. 1:24:52.360 --> 1:24:54.479 I'm talking about like the hard ship, like the White Ship, 1:24:54.760 --> 1:24:57.360 like scheduled to narcotics. 1:24:57.080 --> 1:24:59.960 You know what I mean, like any anything. It's like 1:25:01.320 --> 1:25:03.080 use that as a party drug. 1:25:03.760 --> 1:25:07.760 So it's yeah, like what yeah, but I'm not going 1:25:07.800 --> 1:25:09.680 to no more park we're talking about I'm doing. 1:25:10.080 --> 1:25:12.840 Yeah, No, it's not happening. I don't consider mushrooms a 1:25:12.960 --> 1:25:13.400 party joke. 1:25:13.520 --> 1:25:16.680 And my husband's very straight. He's like, no drugs. He 1:25:16.840 --> 1:25:17.759 barely drinks. 1:25:17.840 --> 1:25:19.280 So busy cleaning the garage. 1:25:21.240 --> 1:25:29.320 I would be there. I'm the organize twenty seventeen coffee. 1:25:29.360 --> 1:25:30.479 How do you how you do your coffee? 1:25:30.680 --> 1:25:31.000 How do you know? 1:25:31.000 --> 1:25:32.599 I was going to ask that question because he knows 1:25:33.200 --> 1:25:35.720 where is your order at Starbucks? What's your Starbucks order? 1:25:37.360 --> 1:25:38.280 She doesn't go to Starbucks? 1:25:38.360 --> 1:25:40.439 Make your home. It's just my god. 1:25:43.720 --> 1:25:46.000 If I'm on the set and they say we're going 1:25:46.040 --> 1:25:48.360 to Starbucks, I will ask for two things. I will 1:25:48.439 --> 1:25:53.240 either say I want Americano with one cream, one sugar, 1:25:53.880 --> 1:25:57.120 or I will go, oh, today, I'm going to have 1:25:57.200 --> 1:26:01.400 a little dessert thing. Give me a I mocha half 1:26:01.560 --> 1:26:05.360 chocolate soy milk, and that would be no whip cream 1:26:05.479 --> 1:26:10.680 that was at home at home. So he has this 1:26:10.880 --> 1:26:14.600 mushroom coffee. I'm into the mushrooms, but I love but 1:26:14.840 --> 1:26:21.120 I love coffee, so I'm not saying you asked me 1:26:21.200 --> 1:26:25.240 about coffee. So I have my coffee. Listen, try this 1:26:25.560 --> 1:26:28.240 because in the morning, this thing will have you moving 1:26:28.400 --> 1:26:31.040 through your day. So I have my regular big cup 1:26:31.080 --> 1:26:35.479 of coffee ten ounces, and I put a tablespoon of 1:26:35.640 --> 1:26:41.000 the instant mushroom coffee in my coffee. And then, by 1:26:41.040 --> 1:26:45.000 the way, done this, and then I use a butter 1:26:45.120 --> 1:26:48.439 bomb in there that has the coconut oil and the 1:26:48.560 --> 1:26:52.320 d butter mixture thing. And that's why I don't eat 1:26:52.360 --> 1:26:54.160 till one because that kind of carries me. 1:26:55.439 --> 1:26:58.360 Puts a dab of coconut butter inside of his coffee, 1:26:59.240 --> 1:27:01.599 and what does that do something? 1:27:02.120 --> 1:27:07.360 It's really good. It's it's really good for your mental 1:27:07.840 --> 1:27:13.360 capacity energy that mixed with the mushroom stuff with like 1:27:13.520 --> 1:27:15.679 I'm so wait, what kind of butter was that again? 1:27:15.720 --> 1:27:17.240 And just butter bomb? 1:27:17.560 --> 1:27:19.160 Butter bomb or a coconut. 1:27:18.840 --> 1:27:22.800 That's a tight I'm asking, But it's a mixture of butter, 1:27:23.200 --> 1:27:25.759 coconut and this other something. 1:27:26.320 --> 1:27:30.240 But I can, I can vouch for this to put 1:27:30.280 --> 1:27:32.720 us onto it. I did it. It actually is. 1:27:32.840 --> 1:27:35.280 But this whole mixture with the mushroom in it is 1:27:35.520 --> 1:27:38.479 my I think is my It's my thing. I made 1:27:38.520 --> 1:27:41.920 it up because I don't want mushroom coffee. I want coffee, 1:27:42.640 --> 1:27:44.120 and so I was like, I could put it all 1:27:44.120 --> 1:27:44.719 on Wenesday. 1:27:45.120 --> 1:27:46.160 What it is coffee? 1:27:46.200 --> 1:27:50.759 And the yeah, are you coming at you don't drink coffee? 1:27:51.000 --> 1:27:52.040 Oh so you think he don't know? 1:27:52.160 --> 1:27:55.160 Okay, No, No, the mushroom because it's a mushroom coffee. 1:27:55.280 --> 1:27:59.040 I add the mushroom coffee powder into my regular coffee 1:27:59.240 --> 1:28:01.080 with the butter thing and no sugar. 1:28:01.800 --> 1:28:04.639 If coffee was really my jam, I'm one of these people. 1:28:04.680 --> 1:28:06.960 I'm not Wow, we're talking about coffee, Steve. If you 1:28:07.000 --> 1:28:09.920 have not waiting yet, I'm thinking about snorting rice. Chrispis 1:28:12.280 --> 1:28:15.280 as much when I think of Starbucks, Like my Christmas 1:28:15.320 --> 1:28:17.960 gift to Steve is always like you probably ran out. 1:28:17.880 --> 1:28:24.160 Already gold Starbucks card or something. It's like a lifetime supply. 1:28:25.160 --> 1:28:28.599 All right, for Halloween? What is your costume? 1:28:28.800 --> 1:28:31.200 Wait, we're already office all right, shit, Okay, we're still 1:28:31.200 --> 1:28:34.639 talking about No, I'm obsessed, but let's talk about Halloween. 1:28:34.920 --> 1:28:39.720 Okay. The last Halloween that we went to was a 1:28:40.320 --> 1:28:44.160 dress up as your because they were people were performing 1:28:44.320 --> 1:28:47.200 on stage two and doing a thing. So I went 1:28:47.479 --> 1:28:48.200 as Vanity. 1:28:49.000 --> 1:28:50.679 Wow, yes you did. 1:28:50.920 --> 1:28:53.439 I went as Vanity. I wore her little outfit, you know, 1:28:54.800 --> 1:28:57.519 but what I was going to and then I chickened down. 1:28:58.400 --> 1:29:03.880 Wait which Vanity from the actual movie. Vanity opened the video, 1:29:04.520 --> 1:29:08.200 and so I had I got. I rented a tuxedo jacket, 1:29:08.320 --> 1:29:11.360 and I had hotelingerie and the heels I went. 1:29:11.800 --> 1:29:12.080 I went. 1:29:12.720 --> 1:29:13.360 That's how I went. 1:29:14.600 --> 1:29:18.960 Nice. Do you do you go karaoke? Like at all? No, 1:29:20.720 --> 1:29:22.240 you started out as a singer. 1:29:22.160 --> 1:29:24.960 But I don't like karaoke. It's not my thing. Okay, 1:29:25.160 --> 1:29:27.360 because you go and then it's not in the key 1:29:27.520 --> 1:29:30.160 you need to be I'm judging, it's like it's too no. 1:29:30.680 --> 1:29:32.360 No, those songs are always higher than. 1:29:32.320 --> 1:29:34.600 You think, they're always highed like. 1:29:34.680 --> 1:29:35.639 Any bon jovie song. 1:29:35.680 --> 1:29:38.280 Ever, you're like, I got this ship, and then and 1:29:38.320 --> 1:29:39.560 then you get to the chorus of Blaze of the 1:29:39.560 --> 1:29:41.000 Glory and you're like, I don't gotten this ship. 1:29:42.960 --> 1:29:44.920 And then they give me this book like this, I 1:29:45.040 --> 1:29:45.519 can't make it. 1:29:46.320 --> 1:29:54.759 It's like it's a lot judging. 1:29:55.160 --> 1:29:58.479 Okay, For me, I discovered that I have to go 1:29:58.720 --> 1:30:02.240 back to me as a nine, ten, eleven year old 1:30:02.920 --> 1:30:07.920 and discover fun for that person. For you, what is 1:30:08.040 --> 1:30:13.240 your one Do you allow yourself to ever become an 1:30:13.240 --> 1:30:15.479 eleven year old at this stage in your life? And 1:30:15.800 --> 1:30:19.680 what is it that you do for fun? Do you 1:30:20.880 --> 1:30:24.320 play Monopoly when no one's watching? Do you watch Tom 1:30:24.360 --> 1:30:26.960 and Jerry play spades? Am I really making you uncomfortable 1:30:27.040 --> 1:30:27.360 right now? 1:30:27.640 --> 1:30:30.639 Well, because I'm thinking of my whole life is going. 1:30:30.760 --> 1:30:33.439 I'm going maybe I'm not doing enough things for fun. 1:30:33.840 --> 1:30:36.559 We do play spades. I don't know if I'm doing 1:30:36.640 --> 1:30:38.920 that all the time. But we used to a lot 1:30:39.000 --> 1:30:41.160 of things. I used to do like Donder and I 1:30:41.280 --> 1:30:43.280 used to be on a in a bowling league. We 1:30:43.439 --> 1:30:46.120 used to bowl a lot, okay, and golf more than 1:30:46.160 --> 1:30:48.840 he would say, I'm not playing much golf anymore. I 1:30:48.920 --> 1:30:53.479 start getting too into work, so I might h you 1:30:53.640 --> 1:30:55.760 may be telling me I need to have more fun 1:30:56.720 --> 1:30:58.000 because usually no. 1:30:58.120 --> 1:30:59.679 No, these are just random questions. 1:30:59.840 --> 1:31:01.760 You're or not. This is a hard question for me 1:31:01.840 --> 1:31:04.200 to answer. It would usually be getting together. We have 1:31:04.320 --> 1:31:06.679 sort of a couple's group. We all go out to dinner, 1:31:07.360 --> 1:31:10.240 and it's really hanging out with them and going to dinner. 1:31:10.560 --> 1:31:14.360 But that doesn't sound like that much fun. We're vacationing together, 1:31:14.600 --> 1:31:16.120 but it doesn't sound that exciting. 1:31:16.160 --> 1:31:18.719 You know, something I discovered the joys of silence. 1:31:19.479 --> 1:31:22.120 You know, I'm kind of you know how they say 1:31:23.240 --> 1:31:25.760 I would rather be at home. Sitting up in my 1:31:26.320 --> 1:31:29.320 house is comfortable. We have a nice little area outside. 1:31:29.360 --> 1:31:33.560 I can watch TV outside and sit there and be 1:31:33.760 --> 1:31:37.320 with my husband and with my dogs and chill. 1:31:38.000 --> 1:31:41.400 Okay, you know you have a guilty pleasure in terms 1:31:41.400 --> 1:31:44.080 of food or like we talked about all the healthy stuff. 1:31:44.200 --> 1:31:44.560 Yeah, you do. 1:31:45.040 --> 1:31:47.080 What's like your you know when you just want to 1:31:47.080 --> 1:31:49.280 go to the abyss, Like what's the worst thing you eat? 1:31:49.680 --> 1:31:52.040 Like you just you buzzed down a quarter pounds like. 1:31:57.240 --> 1:31:57.439 Burger. 1:31:57.560 --> 1:31:58.960 Let's let's ratchet Sally riches. 1:31:59.520 --> 1:32:00.040 I think. 1:32:02.560 --> 1:32:05.400 Because so for many for a long time, I was 1:32:05.600 --> 1:32:11.479 like a vegan vegetarian. I've just started eating some meat 1:32:11.560 --> 1:32:14.960 sometimes now, so I think it would be some pizza 1:32:15.080 --> 1:32:18.639 and wings something like that. No, No, I want spicy. 1:32:19.960 --> 1:32:23.599 I went hot. Yeah, I've been enjoying some girls. 1:32:24.920 --> 1:32:25.640 Let's talk about it. 1:32:26.200 --> 1:32:26.719 And which. 1:32:33.960 --> 1:32:34.080 Right. 1:32:34.280 --> 1:32:36.719 She was like, god, she thought about the mouse sauce. 1:32:36.760 --> 1:32:39.680 She was like, holy ship, what. 1:32:39.880 --> 1:32:41.320 I'm sorry, Delian the truth. 1:32:41.400 --> 1:32:42.599 We're a very silly show. 1:32:43.200 --> 1:32:48.240 No, very serious about mushrooms, and we're a very silly show. 1:32:48.400 --> 1:32:51.240 You're asking me, serious ship, what you want. I'm giving 1:32:51.280 --> 1:32:56.240 you serious answers. Okay, but what's your Okay, my haralds 1:32:56.280 --> 1:32:59.760 it's been a long time, but my Harold's order would 1:32:59.840 --> 1:33:02.360 be say it like you at the counter, because okay, 1:33:02.360 --> 1:33:03.639 well I got to think about it because. 1:33:03.439 --> 1:33:08.120 I remember, is my chicken heaven in Chicago? 1:33:08.439 --> 1:33:10.679 So you would get it's like a fried chicken plate 1:33:10.920 --> 1:33:13.720 and then there's French fries on it and some white bread, 1:33:14.280 --> 1:33:17.200 and so I always get, you know, like what is 1:33:17.240 --> 1:33:19.200 that like half a chicken or so I don't remember what, 1:33:19.880 --> 1:33:22.360 but I like the barbecue sauce and the hot sauce 1:33:22.720 --> 1:33:26.240 all over it, and I yeah, yeah, so like yeah, 1:33:26.360 --> 1:33:28.280 half Chad. 1:33:29.160 --> 1:33:31.840 Yes, it has to be white bread. It has to 1:33:31.880 --> 1:33:33.240 be in Chicago. 1:33:33.920 --> 1:33:38.960 Rib tips, yes, sir, Yes, Chicago south Side. That is 1:33:39.280 --> 1:33:44.400 the city of rib tips, rib tips and white white 1:33:44.479 --> 1:33:46.080 wonderbread and some French fries. 1:33:46.479 --> 1:33:48.439 I'm so glad you're here because it's been a while 1:33:48.520 --> 1:33:50.040 since we had a Chicago guest. 1:33:49.920 --> 1:33:52.240 On the show. You got to explain some things to me. Okay, 1:33:52.600 --> 1:33:55.880 Number one, here we go. What's up with y'all? And 1:33:56.600 --> 1:33:59.360 this anti ketchup on hot dog thing? 1:34:00.160 --> 1:34:03.240 That's you know what? I like ketchup on my hot dogs. 1:34:03.800 --> 1:34:06.600 But yeah, because you get when you go get a 1:34:06.680 --> 1:34:11.480 Chicago hot dog, it's a pickle, these peppers and mustard. 1:34:11.840 --> 1:34:14.880 Out the restaurant. Sometimes if you put ketchup on it, or. 1:34:16.040 --> 1:34:20.320 Or if you ordered a Chicago dogs insult to them. Yeah, yeah, 1:34:20.560 --> 1:34:23.760 I like ketchup. I think that's more of a white thing. 1:34:24.120 --> 1:34:25.840 Okay, defend your pizza. 1:34:27.000 --> 1:34:31.640 It's fantastic talking about Oh my god, the way she was. 1:34:31.800 --> 1:34:34.040 I used to work at a pizza place. I used 1:34:34.080 --> 1:34:37.719 to work at Eduardo's, which is like really thick pizza. 1:34:39.600 --> 1:34:43.360 Well, not not to totally alienate an entire part of 1:34:43.439 --> 1:34:44.840 our listenership, I. 1:34:44.920 --> 1:34:46.760 Will just let me tell you. 1:34:46.800 --> 1:34:53.080 Could you recommend good, better spots in Chicago? 1:34:53.600 --> 1:34:57.639 Okay, so honestly on the what I do not remember 1:34:57.680 --> 1:35:00.719 the name of this. There's a place on like really 1:35:00.880 --> 1:35:03.680 south Side because my mom lives out like in the South. 1:35:05.360 --> 1:35:10.920 I'm good, no, because he's because she lives out like 1:35:11.000 --> 1:35:11.959 in the South suburbs. 1:35:12.040 --> 1:35:12.160 Now. 1:35:12.920 --> 1:35:16.000 But it's a thinner pizza that they have, But there 1:35:16.120 --> 1:35:20.799 is a different taste to the sauce and the pizza 1:35:21.720 --> 1:35:22.560 in Chicago. 1:35:23.439 --> 1:35:26.080 Oh god, I wish I as opposed to it. 1:35:27.360 --> 1:35:29.720 No, no, because yours is super thin. Okay, right, The 1:35:29.760 --> 1:35:32.800 New York pizza is its own thing. It's fantastic. But 1:35:32.920 --> 1:35:36.880 there is a thinner crust pizza in Chicago that has 1:35:37.640 --> 1:35:42.640 like the sausage pizza with the grease in it, and 1:35:42.800 --> 1:35:46.760 the taste of that sauce is I think maybe it's 1:35:46.840 --> 1:35:50.080 neighborhood pizza or something. It is a you would love 1:35:50.160 --> 1:35:52.760 that pizza. If you don't like thick crust, fine, but 1:35:52.880 --> 1:35:54.960 you would love that pizza. I would put that pizza. 1:35:57.800 --> 1:36:00.559 I'm I'm gonna text my mother before I leave here 1:36:01.000 --> 1:36:03.960 and find out the name of this pizza place. I 1:36:04.000 --> 1:36:06.439 would put that against a slice of New York pizza. 1:36:08.360 --> 1:36:08.960 I don't have any. 1:36:09.280 --> 1:36:10.000 You don't have any. 1:36:11.840 --> 1:36:16.680 I live in New York. But okay, but you know 1:36:16.720 --> 1:36:18.600 I'm testing out their pizzas. 1:36:18.280 --> 1:36:20.200 But that you know what? 1:36:20.280 --> 1:36:25.760 Okay, So now, besides Harold's that pizza in Chicago, that 1:36:26.000 --> 1:36:28.280 kind of thin crust one with that grease and that 1:36:28.720 --> 1:36:38.000 Italian sausage. That and Chicago Chinese food is because they 1:36:38.040 --> 1:36:42.840 don't Chicago Chinese food is well, obviously that's what I 1:36:42.880 --> 1:36:45.280 grew up on, but like some egg food young from 1:36:45.600 --> 1:36:48.200 some it's a whole different Chinese. 1:36:48.280 --> 1:36:50.080 I came out of Chinese place. We went to there 1:36:50.120 --> 1:36:53.599 one night, David Yo, I tried David Wan's last night. 1:36:55.560 --> 1:36:58.519 I was losing hope changed my life as a Jew 1:36:58.680 --> 1:37:02.080 who loves Chinese food. Well, for whatever reason, that moment 1:37:02.479 --> 1:37:07.519 at that night, fancy Chinese or like, it's not. 1:37:07.640 --> 1:37:11.760 Hood, it's not hood, it's but it's not fancy, but 1:37:11.800 --> 1:37:15.719 it's not hood. But they've mastered the art of salt 1:37:15.760 --> 1:37:16.920 and pepper chicken wings. 1:37:17.520 --> 1:37:18.720 Oh okay, And. 1:37:20.439 --> 1:37:22.920 Yes, my test is always egg foo young and shrimp 1:37:22.960 --> 1:37:25.360 with lobster sauce. If it tastes a certain way, If 1:37:25.400 --> 1:37:27.680 it's not right, then your restaurant ain't right. 1:37:27.760 --> 1:37:30.080 Philadelphia is a salt pepper chicken. 1:37:31.600 --> 1:37:33.320 It's like two dishes of what is probably like a 1:37:33.439 --> 1:37:35.840 thousand dishes, but for those two are. 1:37:35.800 --> 1:37:39.439 Big staples in a in a Chicago Chinese restaurant. We 1:37:39.439 --> 1:37:41.160 should be able to make egg food young. 1:37:41.720 --> 1:37:44.320 And I feel like you're about to fight. 1:37:44.880 --> 1:37:45.679 I'm just saying. 1:37:47.560 --> 1:37:48.080 The Chicago. 1:37:49.280 --> 1:37:51.840 I'm a random dinner. I said you should have you 1:37:51.880 --> 1:37:53.760 should have had some alcohol here. I might have been 1:37:53.800 --> 1:37:54.519 a different person. 1:37:55.479 --> 1:37:57.880 Less to meet back here tomorrow. 1:37:59.160 --> 1:37:59.840 Sad time. 1:38:04.720 --> 1:38:07.080 We're going up a bit. But I have a few 1:38:07.120 --> 1:38:07.960 more random questions. 1:38:08.000 --> 1:38:10.040 If asked me about Gilded real quick, so I can 1:38:10.120 --> 1:38:13.360 tell you about Okay, you kind of did. It's a 1:38:13.439 --> 1:38:14.920 great season. It'll be fantastic. 1:38:15.120 --> 1:38:16.800 Now what more would you like to be going? 1:38:17.200 --> 1:38:19.120 I just want people it's about to come out, and 1:38:19.600 --> 1:38:24.280 you know, I want to tell for for my black audience, 1:38:24.840 --> 1:38:27.080 because we want all I want to say, who were 1:38:27.200 --> 1:38:31.559 hungry for more of Peggy Yes, and the black elite. 1:38:31.640 --> 1:38:33.120 She's not going to get hurt when she goes to 1:38:33.200 --> 1:38:33.559 the South. 1:38:33.800 --> 1:38:40.680 I'm not telling yeah, cool, But but she does go 1:38:40.920 --> 1:38:43.840 but I can't say that she goes to meet booker 1:38:43.880 --> 1:38:47.360 t Washington. So she does go to Tuskegee. So but 1:38:47.479 --> 1:38:50.800 you get to see more of that because people were 1:38:50.880 --> 1:38:52.640 hungry for it, because it was just the taste of 1:38:52.680 --> 1:38:54.840 Obviously the show's not about that, but so I just 1:38:54.880 --> 1:38:57.200 wanted to say that because people have been everywhere I go, 1:38:57.280 --> 1:38:59.160 people are like, when's it coming back? Are we going 1:38:59.200 --> 1:39:01.280 to see more Peggy? Yes, you are, and it's gonna 1:39:01.280 --> 1:39:01.519 be great. 1:39:01.880 --> 1:39:04.240 It's kind of great. Well, they're just totally paled my 1:39:04.439 --> 1:39:04.960 next question. 1:39:09.240 --> 1:39:12.360 I just wanted to get people keep asking me someone 1:39:12.439 --> 1:39:13.920 to tell them, go ahead, do y'all put. 1:39:13.760 --> 1:39:16.080 A little extra extra funky on those clothes on the 1:39:16.120 --> 1:39:17.000 wardrobe and gilded. 1:39:17.960 --> 1:39:19.519 They spent a lot of money on those because they 1:39:19.720 --> 1:39:27.120 it seems, I mean, it's is brilliant. She is friend, 1:39:27.200 --> 1:39:30.400 this French woman, she is brilliant. They are all handmade, 1:39:30.600 --> 1:39:33.240 but you know, obviously the ones for the actors, for 1:39:33.360 --> 1:39:36.439 the main actors, they're all handmade for each of them. 1:39:36.560 --> 1:39:40.000 They are made with the most beautiful fabric. The hats 1:39:40.040 --> 1:39:41.479 are It's all about the hats. 1:39:41.560 --> 1:39:43.400 This year I saw that. 1:39:45.960 --> 1:39:50.400 It's just that's what I enjoyed so much in directing. 1:39:50.479 --> 1:39:53.120 It was like, oh, if I if you show if 1:39:53.160 --> 1:39:55.559 she showed me a special piece, I'm like, don't worry, baby, 1:39:55.560 --> 1:39:59.360 we see you again. Yeah, yeah, come, I asked you 1:39:59.400 --> 1:40:00.880 a shallow QUI Wow. 1:40:05.520 --> 1:40:06.880 It's like Jerry's. 1:40:07.960 --> 1:40:13.599 Sally at seven on the look the funk out because 1:40:13.760 --> 1:40:14.240 I kind of. 1:40:14.240 --> 1:40:20.920 Wanted to ended on on rather apropoke question, what would 1:40:21.040 --> 1:40:25.439 you tell, oh lord, your seven year old self right now, 1:40:26.200 --> 1:40:26.960 shallow ship? 1:40:31.760 --> 1:40:33.719 See, they should have warned you about this show. 1:40:35.040 --> 1:40:37.439 No, no, no, And some some guests are are a 1:40:37.600 --> 1:40:39.680 little thrown off because yeah, I mean, we could do 1:40:39.760 --> 1:40:41.439 the normal thing, like hey, what do you pluck? But 1:40:41.600 --> 1:40:44.600 I want to get to the deep person, you know, 1:40:44.960 --> 1:40:47.920 behind the project. What would you tell your seven year 1:40:47.920 --> 1:40:53.320 old self right now? Like you're given two minutes to 1:40:54.280 --> 1:40:57.320 time travel back to you at the age of seven, 1:40:57.600 --> 1:40:59.920 and opinion your parents did? 1:41:00.320 --> 1:41:02.760 I think it's I think it really is one of 1:41:02.800 --> 1:41:06.599 those like you will make it through this. You will 1:41:06.640 --> 1:41:10.439 make it through this, and and I always say, and 1:41:10.520 --> 1:41:14.080 it's gonna be okay, like, uh, it's really you're gonna 1:41:14.080 --> 1:41:18.640 make it through this. You're gonna make it through this. Yes, 1:41:18.640 --> 1:41:20.880 it's great. What is it like to direct? 1:41:21.840 --> 1:41:24.800 Now? I'm sorry my last question, Gilda question, What is 1:41:24.800 --> 1:41:26.080 it like? I'm gonna say it one more time to 1:41:26.160 --> 1:41:27.520 direct Audrey McDon. 1:41:28.439 --> 1:41:30.880 She's she's one of those people there's not much to 1:41:30.960 --> 1:41:34.519 do because she's brilliant, and she's kind and nice and 1:41:34.800 --> 1:41:38.839 easy and everything you would hope from someone who's that talented, 1:41:39.080 --> 1:41:42.320 like there's no issues and if I didn't, you know, 1:41:42.600 --> 1:41:44.560 if I if that wasn't true, then I would have 1:41:44.640 --> 1:41:46.120 given you a quick, easy answer. 1:41:46.680 --> 1:41:47.040 It's good. 1:41:47.280 --> 1:41:48.040 Thank you a good lady. 1:41:48.800 --> 1:41:50.920 Well, my future mentor. 1:41:51.320 --> 1:41:56.800 Sally, are you coming and shadowing? You ready? And then 1:41:56.840 --> 1:41:59.040 I'll come and talk to you about documentary work. 1:42:00.560 --> 1:42:01.679 Who's like a round table? 1:42:04.120 --> 1:42:07.120 Come on now? 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