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Speaker 1: We're already getting off the shaky start, all right.
Speaker 2: So look, the I would say the order of the
Speaker 2: day for this podcast is we often talk about pivots,
Speaker 2: pivots in terms of where we were creatively at the
Speaker 2: beginning of our career, towards where we've.
Speaker 1: Learned that idiom from LL cool J taking walks to the.
Speaker 2: Light, you know, And so I will say that that's
Speaker 2: a major theme of this program, and of course our
Speaker 2: guest today, I believe in bodies sort of that motion.
Speaker 2: We first fell in love with her as an actress
Speaker 2: and many a classic film a name like Posse Low Down,
Speaker 2: Dirty Shame.
Speaker 1: Uh eureka, right, I have so many questions about that exactly.
Speaker 2: I do want this to be the low down, Dirty
Speaker 2: tribute program. Not to mention, you know, I am legend
Speaker 2: just countless of sitcoms and dramas and whatnot, which basically
Speaker 2: leads to her calling as an executive producer and a director.
Speaker 2: Sitting in that director's chairs, it's mighty a task that
Speaker 2: you know isn't for the faint hearted. And I will
Speaker 2: say that between her directing on Queen Sugar, one of
Speaker 2: my favorite programs, by the way, not to mention scandal
Speaker 2: Luke Cage, I'm so wow, right exactly Blackish, the shy
Speaker 2: not to mention winning time, the story of the classic
Speaker 2: era of the Los Angeles Lakers, and right now we're
Speaker 2: celebrating the guilted age and we're going to talk pivots,
Speaker 2: the art of storytelling, and just her journey creatively.
Speaker 1: And I would.
Speaker 2: Like to welcome to quest Love Supreme without stutterying, Sally Richardson,
Speaker 2: you look at me.
Speaker 3: I gave you that look.
Speaker 2: I know, yeah, like I already felt the pressure, right, yes, no,
Speaker 2: Please welcome Sally Richardson Whitfield to Questions.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. I'm really excited
Speaker 3: about being here.
Speaker 2: Well for startists, for those that don't know you. Where
Speaker 2: are you from? Where were you born?
Speaker 3: I'm from Chicago, part of Chicago, south side of Chicago.
Speaker 1: Is everyone really from the south side between Detroit and Chicago.
Speaker 3: If you black, you mostly from the south side of Chicago,
Speaker 3: unless maybe the West Side. You're from the west to
Speaker 3: the south side.
Speaker 1: So I'm assuming that the south is the realest.
Speaker 3: End quote, because it is Chicago. As much as I
Speaker 3: love it can be a segregated area. And we didn't
Speaker 3: grow up with you know, we didn't we didn't grow
Speaker 3: up with a lot of money. And you know, so
Speaker 3: you're on the South side of Chicago or the West
Speaker 3: side or the projects.
Speaker 2: So for you, what was your formative years like creatively speaking,
Speaker 2: what was your family situation and growing.
Speaker 3: Up sort of you know, parents divorced. I was very
Speaker 3: lucky that I was able to go Instead of my
Speaker 3: father paying like actual like child support directly, he paid
Speaker 3: for me to go to private school. So I went
Speaker 3: to Lab School, which is part of the University of Chicago.
Speaker 3: So it was sort of this mixture of going to
Speaker 3: going to this fabulous school and then kind of going
Speaker 3: back to, you know, my neighborhood and being able to
Speaker 3: live in both of those worlds, which it has worked
Speaker 3: very well for me now in life. I can kind
Speaker 3: of flow anywhere I need to go. And then my mother,
Speaker 3: both of my parents my father were at University of Chicago.
Speaker 3: My mother at the time, she used to work. I
Speaker 3: think my mom was working at The Defender at some point.
Speaker 3: She which is a black newspaper in Chicago. She worked
Speaker 3: at a recording studio for many years, which is where
Speaker 3: I don't remember the name of it, but that's growing up,
Speaker 3: I was around a lot of music, so I was singing,
Speaker 3: and that's kind of where I met my first manager.
Speaker 3: And I think what sort of sparked me wanting to
Speaker 3: be in the arts because I was not around it
Speaker 3: at all. And then at some point at the Lab School,
Speaker 3: they shot Endless Love there and I yes, and that
Speaker 3: is where I really got the bug because I was
Speaker 3: always a basketball player in school, so if theater, I
Speaker 3: didn't do a lot of because it always came in
Speaker 3: during basketball season. So but they came there and they
Speaker 3: did that movie with Brooks Shields and I saw all
Speaker 3: of that and I was like, oh, I don't know,
Speaker 3: this seems interesting, which is kind of started my path.
Speaker 1: Okay, did you have siblings or.
Speaker 3: I have three brothers who are about fifteen years younger
Speaker 3: than me, so most of my life I was an
Speaker 3: only child.
Speaker 1: So you were older than them.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yes, that's interesting for them to have an older
Speaker 7: sister that was fifteen years old.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was ready for you to be the younger sister
Speaker 2: that they beat up everybody.
Speaker 1: No, I but you were there.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna beat you, but you know, I was the
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know have that mixture of
Speaker 3: only child but then having really young ones that me
Speaker 3: and my mom. You know, she was working a lot,
Speaker 3: so me and me and my brother. Yeah, that's my
Speaker 3: that's my baby there.
Speaker 2: Okay, I see that default. Yeah well quasi parents, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I get that now, all right. So here's the thing,
Speaker 2: like a lot of us that are not in the Midwest,
Speaker 2: especially now in this political climate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hashtag what about Chicago? What about Chicago?
Speaker 2: What is your view or description of your formative years
Speaker 2: in Chicago because oftentimes I feel like, again especially now,
Speaker 2: all you do is hear about the bad side of
Speaker 2: Chicago whatever like is but is there a rosy memory
Speaker 2: of Chicago or is it like I have to get
Speaker 2: out of Chicago.
Speaker 3: So I spent a lot of time in Hyde Park.
Speaker 3: So although I'm like this mixed girl, which can not
Speaker 3: work for you, Well, at times it was a very
Speaker 3: mixed area. There was a lot of white and black
Speaker 3: couple so it was okay for me hung out at
Speaker 3: the point beautiful. Then later on we moved to sixty
Speaker 3: first Street, which we're now moving more and more south.
Speaker 3: Now we're on ninety fifth Street off of Stony Island.
Speaker 3: It's a little it ain't it ain't mixed. No more
Speaker 3: so again, but I never I don't know. My mother
Speaker 3: kept me in a bunch of stuff. I'm going to school.
Speaker 3: I didn't really encounter too much. When I go back
Speaker 3: and see some of the places I walked around in
Speaker 3: I go, I can't believe I was walking down that
Speaker 3: street to the grocery store. You know, I would always
Speaker 3: say around seventy fifth and Saint Lawrence. People from Chicago
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. That's where you just churches and bars, church, bar, church, bar,
Speaker 3: all everything's behind glass and the grocery store. That's when
Speaker 3: I look back and go, God, I just walked over
Speaker 3: there to the grocery store. Now, I don't think I
Speaker 3: would know how to flow through that area anymore the
Speaker 3: same way. And it's much worse now.
Speaker 2: Okay, So well that was my next question, like has
Speaker 2: your area been gentrified or is it?
Speaker 3: No, No, it's it's probably worse over there now.
Speaker 2: Now you mentioned you mentioned manager. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you were talking about manager then or manager now. But
Speaker 2: when you spoken manager, are you you mean in terms.
Speaker 1: Of acting or like? Did you have aspirations to sing
Speaker 1: at one point?
Speaker 3: I did so when I first started because of the studio.
Speaker 3: I played piano. I used to study opera. Uh so,
Speaker 3: I thought when I first went to LA it was
Speaker 3: sort of acting and singing. I thought I would do both.
Speaker 3: There are a lot of demorels somewhere of me singing.
Speaker 3: And I think I shot a not think I did.
Speaker 3: I shot a video.
Speaker 1: Okay, did you come to La?
Speaker 6: Wow?
Speaker 3: I was twenty five. I don't know, I graduated eighty five.
Speaker 7: Whatever Giddo's real numbers.
Speaker 3: Look, I don't care. I'm old. And uh yeah, I
Speaker 3: thought I was gonna be a singer.
Speaker 1: I kind of you in LA in eighty five, eighty six.
Speaker 3: Yeah, during Pebbles all that time. Yeah, and I could do.
Speaker 1: Hip hop and now you are you fell in the hole? Now.
Speaker 3: It was a perfect time because I didn't really have
Speaker 3: to dance well neither. It was like, this is good.
Speaker 3: I can sing, I have no rhythm, I can't dance.
Speaker 3: And this video, I'm really I haven't looked at in
Speaker 3: a long time because it's in I have like the
Speaker 3: tape of it, you know, it's in a real realm.
Speaker 3: I need to digitize that. I'm a little afraid to
Speaker 3: see that one.
Speaker 6: Nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nice?
Speaker 2: What is the spark that prompts your move to Los Angeles,
Speaker 2: as in like okay, in order for me to pursue
Speaker 2: my dream, And what is your dream that makes you
Speaker 2: go to Los Angeles?
Speaker 3: You know? At that time, a lot of things were
Speaker 3: being shot in Chicago, a lot of movies, you know,
Speaker 3: but you so I could get little guest spots, so
Speaker 3: I didn't remember. I did Prelude to a Kiss. I
Speaker 3: played one of Meg Ryan's bridesmaids. You know. So you're
Speaker 3: getting small things like that Rocky Carroll. That's where I
Speaker 3: met Rocky Carroll because he was he was in that movie.
Speaker 3: And so you see that you can get small things,
Speaker 3: but you can't it's it. And then I did a
Speaker 3: screen test for what is that Bill Duke movie? He
Speaker 3: directed with Robin Gibbon. So I screen test for that. Yes,
Speaker 3: so I was there. It was me, Robin and this
Speaker 3: other actress. And I just knew, you know, like I
Speaker 3: did it in the makeup art. This is when don't
Speaker 3: listen to know. But this is when I learned, never
Speaker 3: get too excited. More than likely you didn't get it
Speaker 3: or it's not big. And I just knew I did it,
Speaker 3: and I was cute and I thought I had my
Speaker 3: little southern accent. I was ready and I did not
Speaker 3: get it. Robin, Well, that's when you find out Robin
Speaker 3: Gibbons's sort of popular.
Speaker 1: At the time.
Speaker 2: Like when you are auditioning, and this is the part
Speaker 2: I really want to do, like the audition process. Are
Speaker 2: you in a room collectively with everyone or is it.
Speaker 3: Just like no, No, they did a real screen test.
Speaker 3: They don't do this very often.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: I did the same thing for Nutty Professor, which was
Speaker 3: a real screen test. They put you through here and makeup.
Speaker 3: I had on a dress.
Speaker 1: It's dress. Yes.
Speaker 3: In the movie it's with Forrest Whittaker, like it's a
Speaker 3: real screen test. They are on a kind of set
Speaker 3: like it's a thing that's somewhere too. I would love
Speaker 3: to you know, look, I'm like, where is that stuff?
Speaker 3: Now'll find out why I didn't get it. You weren't good.
Speaker 3: So anyway, I'm doing small things like that, and just
Speaker 3: something went. You got to make a decision, you got
Speaker 3: to go to New York or LA And I don't know,
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it was just an accumulation of
Speaker 3: all those little things. And so I was waiting tables too.
Speaker 3: I saved up my money for a year waiting tables.
Speaker 3: Bought this six hundred dollar car. But I am a planner,
Speaker 3: so I flew to la first, got an agent. One
Speaker 3: of my agents in Chicago helped me set up some meetings.
Speaker 3: Somehow or not. I've always been this person. Things kind
Speaker 3: of fall in line for me. So I at the
Speaker 3: time I met with William Morris and another one. I
Speaker 3: have no idea how I got in this meeting. I
Speaker 3: really had no tape, and they're like, do you have tape?
Speaker 2: I'm like, I do not, But so you had to
Speaker 2: have even back then, you had to have real Yeah.
Speaker 3: They were asking they want to see something, and I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, I had done. I had done this movie.
Speaker 3: How you like me? Now? That was my first I
Speaker 3: think that's my first film.
Speaker 1: I see you in this film.
Speaker 3: I got remind I was like, okay, I look crazy
Speaker 3: because Halie Berry had just like hit it. And so
Speaker 3: the guy who was producing it was a white guy
Speaker 3: who was producing it for this black director.
Speaker 1: This movie.
Speaker 3: He decided because my hair is so right now, my
Speaker 3: hair is curly, but my hair is very straight. So
Speaker 3: he decided that I didn't look black enough, and he
Speaker 3: wanted me to wear a short wig with more what
Speaker 3: he considered black hair. And so I'm wearing this wig
Speaker 3: so it looks more halle Berry's shortcut to look more black.
Speaker 3: It's really bad.
Speaker 1: Try that, but you.
Speaker 3: Know, you like, I'm gonna do this movie. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: wear this wig. But yeah, and some days the wig
Speaker 3: look good and some days it did not. It wasn't this.
Speaker 3: It wasn't nowadays where you can get good wigs. You know.
Speaker 1: You just this film, I've seen it. I've seen this,
Speaker 1: I have to.
Speaker 3: It's with Darnell william Oh, yeah, I found the roster Williams. Yeah, baby,
Speaker 3: like I am. I'm like twenty two or something, So
Speaker 3: I think that was. But I have another one. I
Speaker 3: don't know the name of it. It's with Marla Gibbs
Speaker 3: and Stony Jackson.
Speaker 1: Whoa wow.
Speaker 3: No, and we shot it in Chicago. Those are my
Speaker 3: two films that shot before I moved it set up
Speaker 3: against the the wall.
Speaker 5: Yes, this is why we need to be, Yah, Mars,
Speaker 5: we need to be.
Speaker 3: So I'm not really showing that I had just did
Speaker 3: how you Like Me? Now? Now, I didn't have anything
Speaker 3: to show myself. But I just did this film in Chicago.
Speaker 3: So I was just I'm a good talker in a room.
Speaker 3: So I was like, but I'm great, I'm a work
Speaker 3: I'm just met a table full of old men, and
Speaker 3: I'm selling. I'm selling. And I at this agency called
Speaker 3: Triad at the time, which was a big agency then,
Speaker 3: and I went with Tryad And so I went back
Speaker 3: home and packed my car up. I also had found
Speaker 3: a place to live out there, rented from this woman
Speaker 3: in her house, and then I drove up to l A.
Speaker 3: And I saved up enough money and had a little
Speaker 3: help from my then manager who used to run my
Speaker 3: mother's studio, who was helping me, and I didn't have
Speaker 3: to work for a year. And then within that year,
Speaker 3: before my money was just about to run out, I
Speaker 3: got posse.
Speaker 2: Wow, wait the way she told that story, it was
Speaker 2: like a cliffhanger, and.
Speaker 3: Hear everything I know know how to hit the bullet points.
Speaker 1: We are literally rabbit hole city.
Speaker 3: But I mean I had gotten you know, a few
Speaker 3: I think I did a pilot.
Speaker 1: Uh and how many pilots have you done?
Speaker 7: A number of them, didn't I see the rock is
Speaker 7: on your IMDb two do you do an episode of
Speaker 7: a rock Rocky Carrol? So I was like, wondering at
Speaker 7: that translation to the rock it's been a long Yes
Speaker 7: you can't remember.
Speaker 2: Yes you've done, Yeah, yes you.
Speaker 3: Have Okay, Oh I did, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yes you.
Speaker 7: Have.
Speaker 3: I forgot I did a Jamie Foxx show.
Speaker 6: Yeah you did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yes I forgot that.
Speaker 1: Okay. So this is why I'm asking this.
Speaker 2: So there's a friend of mine who was the star
Speaker 2: of her own, uh successful series, and she told me
Speaker 2: that even though they were hit out the box, she
Speaker 2: wanted to wait until season three to buy the house.
Speaker 2: You know, when you're like, hey, I'm on a hit show,
Speaker 2: I've been nominated for a few Emmy's, I'm established, let
Speaker 2: me buy that house. And then out of nowhere, and
Speaker 2: I don't know why, but suddenly the show got canceled.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't like dude to low ratings, Like something happened,
Speaker 2: a freak accident, maybe like one of the executive producers
Speaker 2: died or something. And now she's stuck with this house.
Speaker 2: And the whole point was she told me it took
Speaker 2: her like maybe eight years to finally get this off
Speaker 2: of her hands, like she's been stuck with this house.
Speaker 2: So I always wanted to know on the acting side
Speaker 2: of things, when you're in this city.
Speaker 1: When you get a.
Speaker 2: Guest role on a rock or you know the office
Speaker 2: person number twelve and living single whatever, sustainability wise, how
Speaker 2: safe do you feel like if the imagined grim Reapers
Speaker 2: behind you is a guest spot on a show, a
Speaker 2: jump for you for at least four months of safety
Speaker 2: to breathe before the grim Reaper catches up and then
Speaker 2: you have to get your next series.
Speaker 3: Like how four months? No? No, that's why be born
Speaker 3: strike you. I can't make no. Luckily, I've always lived
Speaker 3: as if whatever this check is, I may not work
Speaker 3: for months. I may not work for a year.
Speaker 2: So even when you have something good, it's never a.
Speaker 3: I haven't felt comfortable and secure in this business, and
Speaker 3: I still have an actor's mindset that at any point
Speaker 3: some shit might change. Until I started directing and really
Speaker 3: started hitting my stride. Have I sat back and relaxed
Speaker 3: for a second. And my husband will tell you there
Speaker 3: have been many flights where he's like, I'm like, it's
Speaker 3: only a four hour flight. We can fly coach. I'm cheap,
Speaker 3: and that's how I live. I live as if I
Speaker 3: may not work for another year.
Speaker 2: But does that also prevent you from dreaming, and I
Speaker 2: not to sound real naive, saved, yes, but it really
Speaker 2: wasn't until like I allowed myself to Like.
Speaker 1: It's almost like you have to tell your body, like, Okay.
Speaker 2: This is what I want and this is my dream
Speaker 2: I'm pursuing hook cook crook or whatever, because I used
Speaker 2: to be the careful smurf like, oh, man, like we're
Speaker 2: never going to d D D D d D, so let.
Speaker 1: Me save up and that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: So how do you ride the line between safety and
Speaker 2: this is the dream that I went?
Speaker 3: Well, I did. But I did do that because by
Speaker 3: really pivoting to directing, I had to take a chance.
Speaker 3: I was working a lot as an actress and that
Speaker 3: was working well for me. And when you first started directing,
Speaker 3: it's a good living. But if I'm on a hit show.
Speaker 3: When I started directing, I could still make more money
Speaker 3: acting as long as I was on a series, because
Speaker 3: I have a you know, my my rate for an
Speaker 3: episode is going to be pretty good compared to the director,
Speaker 3: which takes a little longer to do an episode.
Speaker 1: But oh damn, so I chose the wrong profession again.
Speaker 6: Every time.
Speaker 3: No, But so I had to really make a decision.
Speaker 3: I was looking at the long game. I knew that
Speaker 3: in directing, you know, there's not a lot of and
Speaker 3: I'm just I don't care. I'm fifty five now, I'll
Speaker 3: be fifty six this year.
Speaker 1: They are not awesome.
Speaker 3: There are not a lot of women my age, especially
Speaker 3: people of color, who are big, huge movie stars or
Speaker 3: you know, the lead of a TV series. As you
Speaker 3: get older, things are going to change, so you have
Speaker 3: to make a decision where you're going. And so looking
Speaker 3: at directing, I knew it was going to take me somewhere,
Speaker 3: and I just had faith that. Besides that, I feel
Speaker 3: like it's my calling. I knew that this was going
Speaker 3: to be my longevity and this is where my wealth
Speaker 3: was going to happen.
Speaker 1: When did you realize that directing was you call.
Speaker 3: It honestly the first time I did it, really, which.
Speaker 1: Was the first Eureka, okay.
Speaker 3: I did Ava DuVernay's first film, I will follow.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: She had done some docu she had I think she
Speaker 3: had directed a documentary or two before that, but this
Speaker 3: was her first narrative film. And during that process, I
Speaker 3: always say, I must have been a little one of
Speaker 3: those actresses that was given too much of their opinion,
Speaker 3: because at some point she said to me during that process,
Speaker 3: she said, I think you're a director and you don't
Speaker 3: know it.
Speaker 1: How did you feel when you were told that.
Speaker 3: There's something about when it was you know how someone
Speaker 3: just says something to you and you kind of see
Speaker 3: your life flash and I go like, moment, I had
Speaker 3: a Eureka moment. Thank you. It was like God put
Speaker 3: something in her to give to me and it changed
Speaker 3: my life. And I was on I was I want
Speaker 3: a break from Eureka. At that time, it was like
Speaker 3: you know our hiatus. And Ava said that to me
Speaker 3: and I went, huh, she's doing it. She was a publicist,
Speaker 3: she can do this. And I called this director. I
Speaker 3: knew Eric Laanaville, who does Who's done Black Black? Director
Speaker 3: used to be an actor on I Think Saint Elsewhere
Speaker 3: with Denzel. He came up with him and he started
Speaker 3: directing that show. Anyway, he had directed me on Eureka,
Speaker 3: and I called him. I said, hey, I want to
Speaker 3: ask them about directing. I think I want to do this.
Speaker 3: Can I shadow you? He said absolutely, So went in
Speaker 3: shadowed him on a few like two shows during my break,
Speaker 3: and Ava gave me some tapes I got some books.
Speaker 3: I have many years of you know, learning on the set,
Speaker 3: which you find out how much you really know when
Speaker 3: you do it. And I asked my producer producers, and
Speaker 3: they tried me and gave me an episode. And when
Speaker 3: I did, I still remember when they called me and
Speaker 3: said yes where I was standing, and that moment of
Speaker 3: being excited and then literally the next moment going holy shit,
Speaker 3: now now it's real. Now I have to really do it.
Speaker 3: And after doing that first episode, I went, oh, I
Speaker 3: understand this. I get this.
Speaker 5: This is great and directly for you was something you
Speaker 5: learned strictly just from shadowing other director.
Speaker 1: It's not something like.
Speaker 3: You went to school for Well, I say, I went
Speaker 3: to school because it was like twenty five years of acting,
Speaker 3: so what I realized. So then I did. I did
Speaker 3: the Sony Film program at the studio and then I
Speaker 3: remember during that I'm in this program and I was
Speaker 3: feeling a little intimidated because they had all these students
Speaker 3: who had gone to AFI and Yu and blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: They had done their little films and stuff, but they've
Speaker 3: all been in school and I the more they talked,
Speaker 3: the more panels, I mean, the more like little group
Speaker 3: classes and speakers would come all of a sudden, I
Speaker 3: became part of the speakers because I knew so much
Speaker 3: from being on the set right, so I the mixture
Speaker 3: of doing the work I needed to by really shadowing
Speaker 3: and paying attention. And when I say shadow, because I
Speaker 3: tell people who come to shadow means shadowing means you're
Speaker 3: there through every bit of pre production, every meeting, every
Speaker 3: when I go to set. If I get to work
Speaker 3: an hour before, you should be there an hour, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're there every minute. When we edited, I was there
Speaker 3: every minute. And so you really that's a different than
Speaker 3: just sitting on a set. I learned a lot. You
Speaker 3: shadow me. It's it's I learned a lot doing that.
Speaker 3: And then but honestly, you don't you don't know if
Speaker 3: you're can be good at it until you do it.
Speaker 2: So now that you're knee deep in it, have you
Speaker 2: accepted that this is your actual calling? Because for me, though,
Speaker 2: they're still it's almost you know, like in Heat where
Speaker 2: you got to walk away in thirty seconds or else,
Speaker 2: And there is that moment sorry to spoiler for those
Speaker 2: that have not seen the movie Heat. Yeah, no, there's
Speaker 2: a moment at the very end where de Niro can
Speaker 2: just he executed it, He got the guy, he can
Speaker 2: walk off.
Speaker 1: With the girl. This is a little itching he has
Speaker 1: to go back and see.
Speaker 2: And of course you know, I won't spoiler what happens,
Speaker 2: but it does. So my whole point is there is
Speaker 2: a part of me as a musician that still feels
Speaker 2: like I didn't scratch that itch yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like.
Speaker 2: I've done everything in the music world except arrived at
Speaker 2: this platform on my own without aiding someone getting there
Speaker 2: or that sort of thing. And even though I'm having
Speaker 2: a hell of a life and a hell of a
Speaker 2: journey everywhere else, this part of me that's still like, man,
Speaker 2: none of this like there's an asterisk there, like, none
Speaker 2: of this counts until I can do for music what
Speaker 2: I'm able to do for these other ventures. So for
Speaker 2: you in acting in terms of like that, have you
Speaker 2: resolved that? And just like, hey, if the universe always
Speaker 2: wanted me to tell stories behind the.
Speaker 3: Camera, no have I. So when I started directing so much,
Speaker 3: I in the beginning I thought that I would be
Speaker 3: doing both. I would I'll direct this part of the
Speaker 3: year and then I'll be on a series use and
Speaker 3: do this part of the year, and then all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, I was getting booked so much that it
Speaker 3: made sense for me to just keep on directing. So
Speaker 3: I always thought I would be acting. I didn't know
Speaker 3: I was quitting at the time. And then you look
Speaker 3: back and it's three years later, and you know, because
Speaker 3: I was still dabbling and doing small little things, or
Speaker 3: more than three I mean, it's been many years now
Speaker 3: that I haven't really acted.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Every once in a while, I've done a show where
Speaker 3: it was directed and they're like, oh, why don't you
Speaker 3: just do this role. I'm like, oh, yeah, I'll do it.
Speaker 3: That'll be fun. So I would never say never. I
Speaker 3: would love to do something that would be truly challenging
Speaker 3: for me. I think at the end of my acting career,
Speaker 3: I was doing a lot of the same kind of role.
Speaker 3: I was like the powerful black woman in the office, attorney,
Speaker 3: head of the company, deag you know, I was just
Speaker 3: the same Yeah, you know, I'm telling everybody what to
Speaker 3: do and then I go back in my office. That
Speaker 3: was becoming a kind of boring and not very challenging.
Speaker 3: And I do think that I never was given the
Speaker 3: opportunity to really show how good I can be and
Speaker 3: to really really do amazing work. And I don't think
Speaker 3: I ever had. Part of the way the reason I
Speaker 3: direct the way I do is that I really push
Speaker 3: people because I felt like I've never had that one
Speaker 3: director who would not accept anything but everything they knew
Speaker 3: they had in me. And so when I work with actors,
Speaker 3: if I know you have more, if I know if
Speaker 3: I'm watching your performance and I know what kind of
Speaker 3: actor you are, too, say you've done three takes and
Speaker 3: it's the same. It's a good performance, but I noticed
Speaker 3: it's the same. Then I know you werehear set at
Speaker 3: home and now and I like it. I'm watching it.
Speaker 3: Other people are impressed. But there's something in my gut
Speaker 3: or in my heart, in my body that I know
Speaker 3: when it's real, and I hope to push you to
Speaker 3: give me that moment where I really feel it and
Speaker 3: then I go, now we have it. And I've never
Speaker 3: had that person do that for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess in the past ten to fifteen years,
Speaker 2: they come in I won't say shots fired, but there
Speaker 2: have been words from the US brothers in terms of
Speaker 2: their experience with Denzel on.
Speaker 1: It's a book of right, of which I guess you know.
Speaker 2: One of them was joking about like, and I've heard
Speaker 2: this before from other actors, where like Denzel would be like,
Speaker 2: I'm only going to give you two performances, so you
Speaker 2: better capture it now, like I don't have it, And
Speaker 2: established actors I know, like I didn't know that that
Speaker 2: was an option, Like, you've better capture me now. And
Speaker 2: I've heard de Niro stories and all that stuff from
Speaker 2: established actors. How do you know how far to push
Speaker 2: your actors, especially if you're in a situation where like
Speaker 2: time is of the essence. You know, there's always some
Speaker 2: serious micromanaging producer in the background, like Okay, we're losing light,
Speaker 2: or you know, we don't have enough for overtime or whatever.
Speaker 2: How do you know when to press a button, when
Speaker 2: to make someone do a fourth take?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, how do you know that?
Speaker 3: I think it's everyone's different and you have to take
Speaker 3: cues from the people you're working with. Sometimes I will,
Speaker 3: especially with the bigger actors, I will I have conversations
Speaker 3: with everyone before I shoot, you know, because how far?
Speaker 3: How far can I push you? How far are you
Speaker 3: comfortable with?
Speaker 1: I apologize?
Speaker 2: Guys, this is really going to just be the Sally
Speaker 2: Mirror because morse he's talking.
Speaker 1: The more I'm like, oh god, I didn't think about
Speaker 1: them of this.
Speaker 2: I gotta confront people and talk, and I talk to
Speaker 2: them a lot of my actor friends, and they'll tell me,
Speaker 2: like if a list person's being an asshole on the
Speaker 2: set and that sort of thing.
Speaker 3: There's some people I know that, there are some actors
Speaker 3: I can I can on the side of the camera
Speaker 3: say things that I know that will give you an
Speaker 3: emotional response. I can come whisper in your ear and
Speaker 3: tell you you're a piece of ship and that's why
Speaker 3: you ain't never this. I'll talk crazy in your but
Speaker 3: I know that we have, we've had a conversation.
Speaker 1: Just get excited.
Speaker 3: I see you doing that.
Speaker 1: Actors on the Gilday I just went off the.
Speaker 6: I am a piece of ship.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what do you like?
Speaker 3: What are your bring Christine Baranski's ear. I am not
Speaker 3: saying that, But there are certain people I can go.
Speaker 3: I can look at you and go, I don't believe
Speaker 3: you right now.
Speaker 2: So but should you have to go through Jediah, you
Speaker 2: just have to go through Jedi.
Speaker 3: I have to figure out. I have to figure out
Speaker 3: how to get the best out of you without you
Speaker 3: shutting down. Now, there are some there's some big actors
Speaker 3: who are a little more persnickety, but I also don't
Speaker 3: have to put they they're good people. They know what
Speaker 3: they're doing. So I have to figure out what little
Speaker 3: things I can say to you to get what I want.
Speaker 3: And sometimes it can be uncomfortable for me, but that's
Speaker 3: by earning their respect and not being afraid to give
Speaker 3: them the note even though you know they're gonna give
Speaker 3: you an attitude about it.
Speaker 2: So as a woman, as we you know, and I've
Speaker 2: heard this many times in any professional setting, like women
Speaker 2: often have to fight for to stand their ground as
Speaker 2: leader and to get oursts and it's sort of us
Speaker 2: not look kind of sitting and all those things.
Speaker 1: So how deep is the.
Speaker 2: Mental preparation that you have to do when you know
Speaker 2: that you're dealing with an actor or actress whatever that
Speaker 2: sort of might have closed that won't submit to you.
Speaker 3: I don't there is something about my personality that does
Speaker 3: not give you the feeling that you should not listen
Speaker 3: to what I'm asking you to do. And first of all,
Speaker 3: I'm very prepped and prepared, which is part of them
Speaker 3: starting to respect you, and again, there's not much you
Speaker 3: can do to me that will, at least outwardly, will
Speaker 3: break me down.
Speaker 1: So people attempted.
Speaker 3: I've had. I've had some early on, some volatile people.
Speaker 3: But that's where Chicago comes and in my mind because
Speaker 3: people I've had producers say to me, Okay, other women
Speaker 3: have cried here and this and that, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: ain't nobody gonna see me cry? Like that's just not
Speaker 3: like it's not happening. I don't cry in life. Really,
Speaker 3: it's not a good thing. My husband says, I didn't. No,
Speaker 3: I'm a sad, but you know, I just I come
Speaker 3: from that that, you know, I come from that black
Speaker 3: mother where there is there is like just suck it
Speaker 3: up and move on. So there's times I feel it
Speaker 3: and of course cried in my life. I believe I
Speaker 3: need to learn how to cry. My husband was I
Speaker 3: remember when he goes, if you walk down this aisle
Speaker 3: and I don't see you cry, and the whole time
Speaker 3: going down the aisle, I was like, fuck, figure how
Speaker 3: to cry? Real upset. I didn't cry when I had
Speaker 3: I gave birth to two children with no drugs and yeah,
Speaker 3: but no tears, with no drugs, natural child. I just
Speaker 3: not a crier anyway. So let me tell you you're
Speaker 3: you're not that. I've had, you know, different things in
Speaker 3: my life. I'm not ready to do. I'm not doing
Speaker 3: hotel all I need to be on one. But I've
Speaker 3: had enough trauma that you being a disgruntled actor or
Speaker 3: even cursing in my face and like seeming physically intimidating
Speaker 3: in front of me. In my mind, I'm like, I
Speaker 3: wish you.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that, but that's the look. I'm like,
Speaker 3: what you got? So so that mixed with what people
Speaker 3: think I look like and how But I also have
Speaker 3: this mom voice that will come what I was. What
Speaker 3: I'm telling you that I need you to do is
Speaker 3: go from there to there. And but then I'm nice
Speaker 3: to you too, like you have to pull everything out.
Speaker 3: I gotta be your mother. I gotta be your girlfriend.
Speaker 3: Sometimes I gotta be your sister. I gotta be your boss,
Speaker 3: I gotta there's a whole uh my job, and what
Speaker 3: I'm very good at is figuring out what you need.
Speaker 3: What does this actor need for me to get the
Speaker 3: best performance. And at the end of the day, they
Speaker 3: most of them, I would I think have left feeling
Speaker 3: like I know what I'm doing and they trusted me
Speaker 3: and and you know, and then some of them want
Speaker 3: to be friends with them. Some I hope I never
Speaker 3: see you again, but but they would never know it.
Speaker 1: But don't you feel that way about the band? Like
Speaker 1: you're a suit me saying this?
Speaker 2: She's saying this now, and I've learned so I learned
Speaker 2: already that when a person worries, you're basically politely praying
Speaker 2: that something bad does happen to you. I hope I
Speaker 2: don't get attacked in this subway. I hope I don't
Speaker 2: get ran over by a car. I hope my wife
Speaker 2: don't catch me, you know, like weird weird one. But
Speaker 2: for the last two years sort of riding the fence
Speaker 2: of why me and why now and what's the catch here?
Speaker 2: And then she's saying this, and I'm realizing, Ah, fucking universe,
Speaker 2: I get this now. The universe knows I hate confrontation.
Speaker 3: I don't like confrontation either.
Speaker 1: I despise. I know I have Richard Nichols for that.
Speaker 1: Don't let that verse go?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but you know now I'm realizing, ah, damn,
Speaker 2: this is.
Speaker 1: God because this thing.
Speaker 2: It's one thing when you're doing documentaries, like for me,
Speaker 2: I will say that what I'm working on now is
Speaker 2: it's not summer of soul, you know what I mean
Speaker 2: in terms of like people talking about a joyous time whatever,
Speaker 2: like because I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Trauma and shit.
Speaker 2: So getting answers out of my subjects is like, like,
Speaker 2: I feel like I should be a qualified paralegal, like
Speaker 2: the lawyer levels that I'm going to get the answer
Speaker 2: that I need you to give and coax it out
Speaker 2: of you. And it's just like, ah, damn, what if
Speaker 2: this is the universe forcing me in this, like to
Speaker 2: be a people person something.
Speaker 1: That you're from. I hate people, you know.
Speaker 2: But now that you're saying this, and I'm realizing, damn,
Speaker 2: this is what the next six years of my life
Speaker 2: is about to be.
Speaker 1: Like I'm gonna have to talk to people.
Speaker 3: And you'll learn so much about I don't know, I say,
Speaker 3: grace right now, I'm here, But you learned so much
Speaker 3: about communication with people. I mean, Okay, he don't do
Speaker 3: he needs help with it because I have to deal
Speaker 3: with so many different people and as. But really, in
Speaker 3: the position listen, I can't argue I'm not going to
Speaker 3: argue with any actors. I'm not going to argue with
Speaker 3: your stars, not really argue because you could walk off
Speaker 3: the set. Now I can't shoot, so because my job
Speaker 3: is also so let's get this day going. So sometimes
Speaker 3: I'm like, in my mind, you may be talking crazy
Speaker 3: to me. Do I engage?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: I can't engage because that's an argument.
Speaker 1: Is that what?
Speaker 2: Because whenever I'm on to set, I'm talking about like
Speaker 2: when I was doing videos, whatever, the annoying person, the
Speaker 2: guy that yells and all that stuff. Like I always
Speaker 2: know is that the directors just sits in front of
Speaker 2: the watch the daily's screen and all that stuff and
Speaker 2: really doesn't say much.
Speaker 3: It comes the AD doesn't talk to the actors for me.
Speaker 1: No, you don't allow that for you or in.
Speaker 3: General on it on the kind of shows that I'm doing,
Speaker 3: absolutely not Okay. He can call and tell you it's time,
Speaker 3: you know, it's time to shoot or something, but any
Speaker 3: if to No, it's all me.
Speaker 2: I always thought the job of the AD would sort
Speaker 2: of be the bad cop, so that you don't have
Speaker 2: to that would.
Speaker 3: Be my bad cop. As far as production, let let
Speaker 3: them know this information. This is why we're not shooting
Speaker 3: right now. This is why it's going to take longer.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry we brought you in earlier, but this is
Speaker 3: this happened that kind of thing. But any problems on
Speaker 3: a set when we're talking about the work, what I
Speaker 3: need you to do, what this character is going to do,
Speaker 3: why it's not working, blah blah blah, that's all me.
Speaker 3: So yeah, So.
Speaker 2: When you're doing a series, yeah, and you aren't the
Speaker 2: showrunner of said series, how do you navigate your job
Speaker 2: as a director? Because okay, for instance, there was there
Speaker 2: was an episode of Boardwalking Pyre that I watched that
Speaker 2: Marty Scorsese directed, okay, and I would have had no
Speaker 2: clue that he did it because I didn't see none
Speaker 2: of the film A school marker, like none of his trademark,
Speaker 2: yeah scorsesesms or whatever. And I realized that, oh well,
Speaker 2: he sort of has to fit into the shell of
Speaker 2: what the show is. How do you know when you
Speaker 2: get called for a show, how much leverager leeway are
Speaker 2: you allowed to or are you even one of those
Speaker 2: directors that's thinking of like what your trademark is like
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you find a way. And again that's why
Speaker 3: I kind of had a goal of the platform, Like really,
Speaker 3: my end goal was to get to a platform like
Speaker 3: HBO where you have more freedom to be who you
Speaker 3: are as a director. So when you're going on some
Speaker 3: of these earlier shows, absolutely there is a style you
Speaker 3: have to fit into it, but you find a way
Speaker 3: to infuse some of you into their show. Otherwise they
Speaker 3: could hire anyone. So why do they Why do they
Speaker 3: bring you back? So maybe I have a few shots
Speaker 3: that maybe pushing the envelope a little bit, but it's
Speaker 3: definitely what I like to do. I always say I
Speaker 3: like the camera moving a lot, and I love doing
Speaker 3: long runners. So most of the time you'll find that
Speaker 3: in my episode somewhere in there might be a long runner.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was going to ask what was some of
Speaker 5: your I guess your techniques and winning time that you use.
Speaker 1: That's a good example. That's the show which it has
Speaker 1: to look like vintage, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he came in second season too, Well, I start,
Speaker 3: I did the first season. I did the last two
Speaker 3: episodes of the first season.
Speaker 2: So how much micromanaging does the screenwriter do in terms
Speaker 2: of like, so, what have you decided I don't want
Speaker 2: to use this grain of like are you allowed to
Speaker 2: make a radicus.
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no, that is established what the look
Speaker 3: is going to be. But I find that particular show
Speaker 3: we're using so many different formats that I really have
Speaker 3: a lot of freedom. So I definitely there's a lot
Speaker 3: of that style in me. I mean, they're is a
Speaker 3: lot of I say, in the action, you'll see a
Speaker 3: lot of pushing and pulling shots that are mine. Again,
Speaker 3: there will be a lot of shots where it's a
Speaker 3: long wonner, where there's a lot of handoffs. That means
Speaker 3: think of a classic uh, good fella shot I love
Speaker 3: at the table, good fellow, the whole restaurant when you
Speaker 3: first I well, I love blocking, and so blocking a
Speaker 3: shot like that with that that takes a lot of prep,
Speaker 3: and that would just everything about that shot is perfect.
Speaker 3: I love that shot. There's a shot in this movie
Speaker 3: called Rush that does about Yes, there's a big long
Speaker 3: shot like that too, love it, love it. So you'd
Speaker 3: see a lot of that in my work. You'll see
Speaker 3: a lot of energy, pushing and pulling. You'll see lower angles,
Speaker 3: You'll see that stuff that comes in really intimately. So
Speaker 3: I could winning time was perfect for that. I could
Speaker 3: pretty much do whatever I wanted to there within even
Speaker 3: though the format of how we shot it was set
Speaker 3: in stone, I could still do most of me in
Speaker 3: there too, which is I think part of the reason
Speaker 3: they brought me back to produce the next season and
Speaker 3: to direct half of it, because they liked what I
Speaker 3: did in the last two episodes. And I feel like
Speaker 3: the show, you know, kind of found its real sweet spot.
Speaker 3: You know, it takes a show a second. You know,
Speaker 3: Adam set up an amazing pilot, but then it takes
Speaker 3: a second for things to really you know, get mixed
Speaker 3: and work, you know, bake, and by the second season,
Speaker 3: you know, we could really get in there and fine
Speaker 3: tune some things.
Speaker 1: Do you question I had to that point.
Speaker 5: So a lot of times with TV, we're talking to
Speaker 5: directors and talking to just a lot of actors. A
Speaker 5: lot of times they'll tell you most television shows don't
Speaker 5: really hit their stride until probably like season three or
Speaker 5: you know, but now shows don't even get that much
Speaker 5: of a chance. How do you, as a director, how
Speaker 5: do you adapt to that this kind of landscape.
Speaker 3: Whit I mean, there's nothing you can do it just
Speaker 3: hope that I don't know, it's so hard. I think
Speaker 3: with you know, Winning Time. It's also a very, very
Speaker 3: expensive show to make, so it's hard to just let
Speaker 3: it hit its stride. Although I felt like this second
Speaker 3: season so you were really falling into a nice spot.
Speaker 3: But you know, the things have changed down here, and
Speaker 3: you know, in the business, who knows. I don't know
Speaker 3: the decision making. I know I did what I was
Speaker 3: supposed to do and people are loving it, and you know,
Speaker 3: I just kind of blow where the wind takes me.
Speaker 2: How do they determine what is a successful series and
Speaker 2: worth investigating as opposed to not nowadays? Because I mean,
Speaker 2: if we're Winning Time, they're not going on or they're
Speaker 2: not sharing.
Speaker 1: Nielsen rating still.
Speaker 3: For network TV, it's different on on those platform I.
Speaker 2: Know, for streaming or whatever, they don't share the numbers.
Speaker 2: You don't know, So I mean to to sort of
Speaker 2: prematurely yank it before it gets its chance to really
Speaker 2: unfurl and reveal itself.
Speaker 3: Like I think, there's so many factors. There's so like
Speaker 3: is it getting is it getting awards? Is it getting
Speaker 3: nominated that maybe even if it wasn't.
Speaker 2: Getting Lovecraft like that got so many that left for
Speaker 2: another reason, right, Like that didn't even have anything to
Speaker 2: do with no that was creative.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there were some things going on. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So there's so many there's so I heard Casey Bloyse,
Speaker 3: who's you know they head to HBO. I heard him
Speaker 3: on a podcast talking and there's just so many factors.
Speaker 3: It can be a show that is like artistically fantastic,
Speaker 3: that doesn't cost them a lot and may not be
Speaker 3: getting but is getting all the great reviews, may not
Speaker 3: be getting all the numbers, but maybe that show can
Speaker 3: come back because it's getting some of the artistic things
Speaker 3: they want and doesn't cost that much to make, so
Speaker 3: it works, you know. So there's all these different factors
Speaker 3: he was talking about on this podcast.
Speaker 7: So again, so do you attribute the success of the
Speaker 7: Gilded Age to that?
Speaker 1: To the what you just.
Speaker 7: Said about awards and whatnot, because now there are I.
Speaker 3: Mean, we got things for behind the scenes, but actors
Speaker 3: weren't getting it the show, you know, but we don't
Speaker 3: even know. I mean this is the second scene and
Speaker 3: Gilded we had our second season winning time. I think
Speaker 3: Gilded is going to be you know, and we don't
Speaker 3: know about the season three of Gilded until it's out
Speaker 3: and we see what the numbers are. I think that
Speaker 3: the second season of Gilded is fantastic and fun, you know,
Speaker 3: so who knows? But also about winning time was about
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know right right?
Speaker 2: So okay, when you when you got the Gilded Project,
Speaker 2: what was your please?
Speaker 3: I was like, how did I get this?
Speaker 1: Please? Tell us?
Speaker 2: But yeah, like, what was your knowledge of life in
Speaker 2: the eighteen hundreds?
Speaker 3: At the same knowledge that anybody else has?
Speaker 1: Right fast?
Speaker 3: If you think about it, like had you heard of
Speaker 3: the Gilded Age? Even listen, white, black, blue man, woman,
Speaker 3: nobody who's living in the eighteen hundreds? Most people are
Speaker 3: not historians.
Speaker 1: But there's always some historian like, well, actually they you know.
Speaker 3: We have, But I have you there to fulfill, you know,
Speaker 3: to tell me what that stuff is. I was a
Speaker 3: lover of period pieces. I've always loved them. I had
Speaker 3: watched all of Down to Abbey. I had if you
Speaker 3: say on the list, I would love like Dangerous Liaisons.
Speaker 3: I have to watch that over and over, you know. Anyway,
Speaker 3: So when that opportunity came up to UH to meet
Speaker 3: with them, I was ready and I had done enough.
Speaker 3: I hadn't done a show like that, and they were
Speaker 3: looking for a black woman in particular, I think, to
Speaker 3: fill that role because they knew they were going to
Speaker 3: have this black family in it, and they also knew
Speaker 3: they needed a woman's point of view because of what
Speaker 3: the show was. And so I met and I just
Speaker 3: told them about my love of the show. I'm very
Speaker 3: good with detail. I'm a good student of things. So
Speaker 3: somehow or another I convince them, like I did when
Speaker 3: I moved to LA and convinced William y'all should sign me.
Speaker 3: I ain't got no tape, but I can do it.
Speaker 3: I was, I'm good again, I'm good in to interview.
Speaker 3: I convinced and I can do this, and they said yes,
Speaker 3: and and and then that because of COVID, because initially
Speaker 3: I was only supposed to do two episodes, and then
Speaker 3: COVID happened, and that's part of the thing that launched
Speaker 3: it into me then producing and doing more of the episodes. Uh,
Speaker 3: and grew into this deal at HBO. It was like
Speaker 3: this whole weird thing that I don't even know how it.
Speaker 1: Has all deal.
Speaker 7: You mean you're over me to Sally Richards and Whitfield
Speaker 7: HBO overall deal, which I don't Most people don't even
Speaker 7: understand what that means but congratulations, This.
Speaker 1: Means that you can develop your own projects there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they just give me a certain amount of
Speaker 3: money and I'm exclusive to them and everything.
Speaker 1: Yo. Black Dynamite is one of my favorite movies. You
Speaker 1: bodyed it well, Thank you, thank you mother.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I first became aware of you, of posse.
Speaker 2: Could you talk about the process that led to Mario
Speaker 2: hiring you?
Speaker 6: So?
Speaker 3: I think I actually got the audition, I mean through
Speaker 3: my agent. But I had met Blair Underwood somehow in
Speaker 3: La you know, i'd been there a little about it,
Speaker 3: you know that year, right, met him at a party
Speaker 3: and he told Mario. I think he told Mario about
Speaker 3: me and said I'd be perfect for this film. She's
Speaker 3: black and American Indian. Right. So I go in an
Speaker 3: audition with everybody else and I got down to the
Speaker 3: last few. But then they hired someone else. I'll tell
Speaker 3: you who that was in a secondly, because it's okay,
Speaker 3: I can tell you. Wait a minute. Is this a
Speaker 3: thing where they hired someone else and they were shooting
Speaker 3: and they say.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, And then it comes down to you.
Speaker 3: They were shooting and they were like I got a call. Okay,
Speaker 3: So I don't get it. I'm sad because I was like,
Speaker 3: who else can be? But at that time, my hair
Speaker 3: legit was down here, dead straight. I'm like, my mama
Speaker 3: has always told me we got charity, and I am American,
Speaker 3: and I got a picture of my great grandmother and
Speaker 3: she is two braids, and I'm pretty sure my mama
Speaker 3: ain't lying anyway, So I don't get it. And then
Speaker 3: one day I get a call on it Saturday and
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, they have fire the actress. Can you
Speaker 3: be here later on tonight? You're shooting Monday. That person
Speaker 3: is stay and I think she got there and whatever.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I heard there was some you know,
Speaker 3: it wasn't going well, difficult anyway. I don't know I
Speaker 3: went there. But all I know is I got a
Speaker 3: call Saturday and Monday I was shooting.
Speaker 1: How did you feel when you got I.
Speaker 3: Still remember where I was. I was at some guy's house.
Speaker 3: I was dating, and I don't even know if I
Speaker 3: had time to think, you know, I was just like, oh,
Speaker 3: I got it.
Speaker 1: Was just Saturday, and you start on Monday.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know if I started now. I started
Speaker 3: that week. I was there. Whatever hair they had got
Speaker 3: for her track. They put that in my head and
Speaker 3: put that.
Speaker 6: Happened on me.
Speaker 1: I was, how much preparation did you have to to do?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just started. I don't you know.
Speaker 3: It's been a while, but it's not like I had
Speaker 3: that many deep lines. I already wrote. I knew how
Speaker 3: to ride and stuff. So getting ready for another movie audition,
Speaker 3: I had learned, you know, Glenn Turman has a ranch.
Speaker 3: So I had met some people who took me to
Speaker 3: Glenn Turman's ranch and Glenn taught me how to like
Speaker 3: really ride. So I was ready. I was like, I
Speaker 3: got there. I had a young brain. I could memorize anything.
Speaker 3: Now I'd be like, well, I need two weeks to
Speaker 3: memorize this. And I was there and I was shooting,
Speaker 3: and I'm there with Tone Loak and Big Daddy Kane
Speaker 3: and yes At Melvin and Mario and and Pam Greer
Speaker 3: and I mean, we had all sorts of people there.
Speaker 3: It was a it was a dream. It like it's
Speaker 3: a blur in my mind. We used to play during
Speaker 3: our breaks, like on the weekend, we would play basketball.
Speaker 3: I remember tiny I was still good in basketball then.
Speaker 3: I could still because when I first was out here,
Speaker 3: I would do that. That's when they used to do
Speaker 3: celebrity basketball tournaments, So I used to play in all
Speaker 3: of those games. I was still I was still pretty decent.
Speaker 3: Then what's your position?
Speaker 6: Lists this entire tablets.
Speaker 7: Played center on my boys and Girls club basketball team.
Speaker 1: I played the sports here we go. No you have
Speaker 1: you got it, bron, I don't know nothing much for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so yeah, it was. We had the best time
Speaker 3: on that movie.
Speaker 5: I mean, I wanted to ask you about low down,
Speaker 5: dirty Shane, which is probably my favorite role of yours, right,
Speaker 5: like straight up and down. And I was thinking about
Speaker 5: what you were saying earlier about how directors it is
Speaker 5: read that you were pushed in some ways. I think
Speaker 5: the reason why I really liked that role is because
Speaker 5: that was the first time that I remember kind of
Speaker 5: seeing you as a villain, and I just thought, I
Speaker 5: was like, yo, I want to see more. Sally is
Speaker 5: like the villain, like just straight up, you know, just
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 3: So unfortunately, you know, also, I came up at a
Speaker 3: time where there wasn't that many it wasn't that many
Speaker 3: jobs we were It was really all of us, Me Jada,
Speaker 3: h Nia, Everybody's going for the same thing, and Jada
Speaker 3: nia few people kind of they were already there. Honestly,
Speaker 3: they had started a little sooner than me. You know,
Speaker 3: people start taking off and there's just not a lot
Speaker 3: of spots for you. But also when I talk about
Speaker 3: not being pushed there, I also have been given that
Speaker 3: many roles where there was an opportunity to push me
Speaker 3: to do something that different.
Speaker 5: You know, what would be an example of something now,
Speaker 5: a role now that you would.
Speaker 1: Or a role that you went after that close but
Speaker 1: no cigar moment.
Speaker 3: Oh, those are so many. I mean probably every every
Speaker 3: movie you've seen another black actress the lead in, we
Speaker 3: all knew. We all went out for the same thing.
Speaker 3: Remember I said I screen test me. I think Tisha
Speaker 3: Campbell was there too, and then Jada for Nuttie Professor
Speaker 3: and they gave it to Jada. Yeah, I think it
Speaker 3: was the three of us testing.
Speaker 2: So, Okay, when you talk about testing, what is the
Speaker 2: process of testing, because I've heard like, okay, he's coming recold.
Speaker 3: For those are auditions. Those are like the yes's.
Speaker 2: Testing, like a chemistry test to see chemistry, character gets along.
Speaker 3: And when I say a screen test, that's a whole
Speaker 3: different thing. So when I said rage and Harlem, I
Speaker 3: read with Forrest on a set in full hair, makeup, costume,
Speaker 3: him and costume. We're doing a scene from the movie
Speaker 3: being filmed on the cameras. That's like, it looks like
Speaker 3: the movie almost.
Speaker 1: How often does that process happen now? Still or not?
Speaker 3: I don't think as much, Nutti Professor, same thing. Eddie
Speaker 3: came out in full on makeup. I'm their hair makeup
Speaker 3: you're in. I think we were in a lab or
Speaker 3: something and we did a scene from the movie and
Speaker 3: they filmed this same data. Got what's funny is that?
Speaker 3: What's funny is that's what my hair looks like this?
Speaker 3: And then I saw the movie and it was a yeah,
Speaker 3: Jada's wig, so my hair was just like that. And
Speaker 3: then they did the movie. I said, they put my
Speaker 3: hair on. That's what I decided, because you know, she
Speaker 3: had really short hair. I said, what is this in.
Speaker 1: Your in your acting fees?
Speaker 2: Like for you, are movies the the ultimate goal or
Speaker 2: the security of a series?
Speaker 3: Well, as an actress, you want the security of you know,
Speaker 3: if you could get a scandal, listen, you move because
Speaker 3: most of the time, unless you are the big A
Speaker 3: list actor, you're not making that much to do a film,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe you know, maybe a few hundred thousand
Speaker 3: dollars which will last you for a little while, you.
Speaker 2: Know, back to my original analogy. So a small role
Speaker 2: as the girlfriend or whatever, any movie that's just enough
Speaker 2: for maybe if you're two months three months out here.
Speaker 3: A small role or what are you talking about? Like
Speaker 3: my role in Low Down? Yes, probably that was my
Speaker 3: biggest paycheck, main character in that one. Yeah, so that
Speaker 3: gave me enough money to live on for a little while.
Speaker 3: And again I'm going, in my mind, I think that
Speaker 3: the people need to have more of this mindset. I
Speaker 3: go because everyone else is mine. They're like, oh you well,
Speaker 3: because people are telling you that, ooh you about to
Speaker 3: take off, right, it's about to be it. In my mind,
Speaker 3: I already knew at that point. Yeah, I'm not trusting it.
Speaker 2: Do you book a project at a time or do you?
Speaker 2: Are you allowed to stack?
Speaker 3: Of course if you can. Again, at that time, there
Speaker 3: wasn't a lot of too stack. I don't know what
Speaker 3: I did. I don't know what I did after that.
Speaker 3: So are you frugal enough?
Speaker 7: They're doing Low Down?
Speaker 3: Dirty shame?
Speaker 7: After that, you were still in your one bedroom or
Speaker 7: did you go i'most step it up and get two.
Speaker 3: Listen when we were when we were shooting, when we
Speaker 3: were shooting low down, dirty shame. I and I had
Speaker 3: done Posse and some other small things. I still had
Speaker 3: that six hundred dollar car.
Speaker 7: Wowkauy of that.
Speaker 3: I drove to La n and Jada and Keenan. They
Speaker 3: were like, listen, you have got to get a new car.
Speaker 3: And I did remember. I remember pulling up on the
Speaker 3: set and they all, you know, Jada had been on
Speaker 3: some series and they got nice cars. I would meet
Speaker 3: people at parties and at restaurants and I would not vow.
Speaker 1: Because that's what I was going to ask. And I
Speaker 1: know that.
Speaker 3: Well, at some point, like I couldn't put my window down.
Speaker 3: It was you know, it looked good. You know. Again,
Speaker 3: I was like, so I finally like, least a truck
Speaker 3: did at least ah, well, you know everybody has an SGUV.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 7: I didn't know if he was going how she'd be
Speaker 7: we I was gonna be a rabnet.
Speaker 3: I was like, no, no, no, I leased a car.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I was afraid, you know, I
Speaker 3: was just afraid. I was afraid of being broke. I'm
Speaker 3: in I didn't have I have lovely parents, I have
Speaker 3: a very supportive family, but there wasn't an wasn't a
Speaker 3: bunch of money to be sending to help me, and
Speaker 3: nor did I ever ask. So I moved to l A.
Speaker 3: This was my choice. I have to make. I'm out
Speaker 3: here on my own and not not to say I
Speaker 3: couldn't have gone back to Chicago and had a place
Speaker 3: to go. Like again, I love my family that would
Speaker 3: have done anything for me. But I never had to
Speaker 3: ask for anything.
Speaker 1: And was there a.
Speaker 2: Moment where you're just like, I'm out here like no,
Speaker 2: so you just never no matter how not.
Speaker 3: That I wasn't at home weeping and crying and when
Speaker 3: am I going to work? And just I did weep
Speaker 3: and cry about that stuff. I was like, that's not
Speaker 3: in front of people, that's by myself. You know, you
Speaker 3: know you have that depression. I haven't worked in three,
Speaker 3: four or five months? Is what's the next thing going
Speaker 3: to be? But I always worked enough to keep going.
Speaker 3: I never and I never spent beyond my means. I
Speaker 3: never I was always because I just didn't. You know,
Speaker 3: when you come from not having everything you want, you
Speaker 3: should be conservative. I think you're on both sides, or
Speaker 3: you just start spending all your money.
Speaker 7: So are you the person now that like, since we're
Speaker 7: going through this long asst right, people are now calling like, Sally,
Speaker 7: how did you do it? Like, Sally, help me get
Speaker 7: through it? Like you just seem maybe in that way
Speaker 7: because people.
Speaker 3: I've been telling I've been telling everyone listen, I don't
Speaker 3: know how Like my assistant, I kept going, Hey, we
Speaker 3: don't know how long the strike is going to be.
Speaker 3: Right now, I'm still getting my money and everything they haven't,
Speaker 3: which means I can still pay you. But anything could happen,
Speaker 3: So don't get comfortable. I know everybody must be jealous
Speaker 3: of that, because if you ain't, if they ain't paying me,
Speaker 3: you ain't get paid because I don't have I don't
Speaker 3: have it like that, you know. So I've been with her.
Speaker 3: I see people. I judge people all the time. During
Speaker 3: this time, I've been seeing some of my friends or
Speaker 3: some of the people in my director's group going on
Speaker 3: trips and stuff, and I'm knowing that they don't work
Speaker 3: as much as I do, you know, like you know
Speaker 3: where I'm like, I'm like, uh, why they on that
Speaker 3: trip I'm like, they got something going on. I don't know,
Speaker 3: but I'm like, okay, I'm glad.
Speaker 1: I'm not the only person. And things like that, like
Speaker 1: I'll see somebody like I'm.
Speaker 3: Judging people well, and I'm judging your money. I don't
Speaker 3: know what you got all the time.
Speaker 2: How did you maintain your sanity in a straight but
Speaker 2: also your creativity? And really was the rule that you're
Speaker 2: not supposed to do any work whatsoever?
Speaker 3: Well, I can do stuff on like me and my
Speaker 3: manager can talk about stuff. You know. I have projects
Speaker 3: that I've been developing for a while that I can
Speaker 3: do stuff on my own. I'm sitting there. I have
Speaker 3: to make like my pitch decks. I have a documentary
Speaker 3: that I'm working on in which I can do so
Speaker 3: I've been working on this like sizzle. I've been able
Speaker 3: to pitch some of my documentary stuff. So, you know,
Speaker 3: So I've been able to do some things. And and
Speaker 3: then I've you know, drove my husband a little crazy
Speaker 3: because probably everything in our every drawer in our house
Speaker 3: has been reorganized. We're we're onto the garage. I'm not
Speaker 3: like right now, I was audience. I have a back injury.
Speaker 3: I am not good I can't not do. I'm a doer.
Speaker 1: You can't relax.
Speaker 3: I'm a twenty fource. And maybe one day and then
Speaker 3: after that, I'm like, I'm being real irresponsible. Right now
Speaker 3: I need to get up. I'm gonna I just have
Speaker 3: to do something. So I'm like, well, I got nothing
Speaker 3: else to do. We're gonna reorganize the house. We're gonna
Speaker 3: do this. I've been needing to get this done because.
Speaker 1: I wanted you to be silent, and I have.
Speaker 3: I found that's why I got COVID and then I
Speaker 3: got hurt.
Speaker 7: My back set you down, literally.
Speaker 3: But but I've been watching stuff on the on my
Speaker 3: side as I lay in the bed on my side.
Speaker 3: But I've learned that if you're sitting aroun not doing,
Speaker 3: things get done not they don't get done, and things
Speaker 3: move ahead because there's other people doing this last year.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 3: And a lot of that is through having this HBO
Speaker 3: deal and kind of coming into my own enough that
Speaker 3: I go, I'm not getting this work because I'm a woman.
Speaker 3: I'm not getting this work because I'm black. I'm getting
Speaker 3: these jobs now because I really am the best person
Speaker 3: for this job. And luckily and now they can also
Speaker 3: check these boxes off. You know, it's like some added
Speaker 3: little thing. So I think somewhere in that confidence has
Speaker 3: made me go, you can relax a little bit. We like,
Speaker 3: we had a big group trip. We all went to
Speaker 3: South Africa together, which was not a cheap trip trip.
Speaker 1: With like that.
Speaker 3: I have some fancy friends, Jeff and Nicole Friday from ABFF.
Speaker 3: Jeff and Nicole liked I'm shouting them out. They like
Speaker 3: to travel nicely, so they forced me out of my
Speaker 3: comfort zone. And my husband's very happy because you know,
Speaker 3: he could just kind of let me be who I
Speaker 3: am and just shakes his head. But we had a
Speaker 3: fabulous trip, so I was like, Okay, we're gonna go
Speaker 3: take this once in a lifetime trip with my children.
Speaker 3: And my daughter and I took a trip before she
Speaker 3: went to college. So I've been able to relax a
Speaker 3: little bit. And then I come back and then I
Speaker 3: get a moment of being afraid or we spend too
Speaker 3: much money, But you know, you have to enjoy this stuff.
Speaker 5: I want to ask you about Dondre. I've had a
Speaker 5: chance to meet him. This has been a couple of years.
Speaker 5: Back on Queen Sugar Good Buddy my Omar that plays Hollywood.
Speaker 5: We hung out in New York one night and he
Speaker 5: was coolest dude. You know what I'm saying. I don't
Speaker 5: know how he is at home.
Speaker 3: But with us, it's been twenty we've been together twenty
Speaker 3: six years.
Speaker 1: Question, how do y'all? Because I think I think it's.
Speaker 5: Like y'all and like Courtney and Angela Bassett, like.
Speaker 1: Y'all, like one of the only.
Speaker 3: Surviving no pressure, no pressure now now because now now
Speaker 3: you just jinxes. That's like watching golf. He's been making
Speaker 3: this but all you got to miss it now, Okay.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, How did all survive for so long? What?
Speaker 1: What you know?
Speaker 5: It's specifically and not just in a mess, but just
Speaker 5: I mean too creative as professionals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that's a lie.
Speaker 7: You directed him?
Speaker 3: You know what? I don't know? Andre and I obviously
Speaker 3: we we love each other very much. We have two
Speaker 3: very I think a lot of it. We have two
Speaker 3: very happy children. And once you're you know, my my
Speaker 3: son's going into heigh it just is a freshman this year,
Speaker 3: and my uh, my daughter is. It's film and pure.
Speaker 3: So you look at your children and but you know,
Speaker 3: you look at your children, and that's also a motivating
Speaker 3: factor of that, no matter what our issues are, we
Speaker 3: need to figure this out. We got happy, We got
Speaker 3: a happy little family here, and there's a you know,
Speaker 3: there's a mutual respect there and I don't know, we're
Speaker 3: both very competitive and that competitive nature of Oh no,
Speaker 3: we're gonna stay together. We committed to this. They're gonna
Speaker 3: figure this out. Also, somehow, I think we both know
Speaker 3: if you look out here, ain't nothing. There's nothing out
Speaker 3: here in the street. And I mean, honestly, I mean
Speaker 3: for me, like what we're come on, you get to
Speaker 3: a certain age? What what? What? Who I'm on? Meet now?
Speaker 3: And who's gonna treat me like my husband treats me?
Speaker 1: Oh because I put out the fat. Yeah, Steve is
Speaker 1: in mare for him right now. Shoot, the silence are good.
Speaker 3: But my husband treats he really does treat me like
Speaker 3: a queen. He takes care of me almost every morning.
Speaker 3: He knows my coffee I want if I'm still, if
Speaker 3: I happen to sleep late, he is bringing that coffee
Speaker 3: up there for me.
Speaker 1: That's my question. Yeah, what is your morning routine? What
Speaker 1: what do you one?
Speaker 2: What time do you automatically wake up without the clock
Speaker 2: waking you up, and what's the first thing you do
Speaker 2: in the first half hour of your day?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: If we're a habitual right.
Speaker 3: Fact, most of the time, my eyes will open at
Speaker 3: six thirty in the morning. Unfortunately, I don't care. My
Speaker 3: eyes just open. Probably we have three dogs. They probably
Speaker 3: made some noise in the room. Uh. Three. We have
Speaker 3: a Rottweiler, a golden Doodle and a crazy Frenchy.
Speaker 1: Do they like each other?
Speaker 3: Yes, they do, although our Frenchie and are Roddy are
Speaker 3: both males who are not fixed and are starting They
Speaker 3: starting to well, they grew up together because they're only
Speaker 3: about they're both like three, three and a half ish,
Speaker 3: and they've just that that loving friendship has changed and
Speaker 3: it's mostly the Frenchie is cool. He's like, if you
Speaker 3: don't mess with me, we good. He gets along with
Speaker 3: other dogs. But that Frenchie is insane anyway. So I
Speaker 3: let the dogs out if if I happen to, you know,
Speaker 3: sleep later, I'll have my coffee, go down and have
Speaker 3: my coffee, and usually I get up. I take the
Speaker 3: dogs on a hike, which is how I hurt my
Speaker 3: back because I slipped, and I take them out separately.
Speaker 3: I take the frenchie by himself for a short walk
Speaker 3: real quick, and then I come back for the other
Speaker 3: two because they can go on a long walk with me.
Speaker 3: So that sort of get my day going. And and
Speaker 3: then you know, nowadays it would be now I have
Speaker 3: maybe these three zoom calls during you know, zoom meetings
Speaker 3: or something, but it's usually and I don't eat till
Speaker 3: probably about twelve thirty one. I'll have a protein shake
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't eat in the morning, and that's if I'm
Speaker 3: not working. Okay, you know working, you know, set four.
Speaker 1: In the morning. Whatever. Okay, what what is your secret
Speaker 1: talent that you're allowed to say? Right right right?
Speaker 3: I don't know, I always say I mean I do
Speaker 3: a lot of things. I mean, I'm a golfer. I'm
Speaker 3: a I don't know if that's so secret, but I.
Speaker 1: Think I know.
Speaker 7: Are you a part of the squad? So no, like
Speaker 7: that whole black female squad that goes down well.
Speaker 3: No, I used to do a lot of the celebrity
Speaker 3: golf tournaments and stuff. I used to be actually very good.
Speaker 3: My son is a he's in golfer.
Speaker 1: He's what is it about golfing?
Speaker 2: Because a lot of my friends especially my black friends
Speaker 2: who are professionals. Yeah, like, is there a memo that
Speaker 2: I haven't gotten yet? Like everyone turns forty five and
Speaker 2: suddenly like.
Speaker 3: Well, I've been playing for like least twenty five years.
Speaker 3: I had started playing because Andre played when we met.
Speaker 2: Is it fun or did you start at like golf
Speaker 2: and then top golf?
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no, I started playing golf. Richard Rowntree
Speaker 3: is one of the first people to help me play golf,
Speaker 3: Richard Rowntree and Richard Laws and I've had amazing people
Speaker 3: who have helped me play golf in the beginning, and
Speaker 3: then obviously my husband. I don't if you listen, I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna be doing any more pickup games of basketball
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. I think what it is is
Speaker 3: that golf is something Golf is something you can do
Speaker 3: by yourself, you can do in a group. It's highly therapeutic.
Speaker 3: You can take and smoke, it's highly competitive. It's a
Speaker 3: way for me to compete. I love to I love
Speaker 3: to compete, okay, and it's a way for me to
Speaker 3: do that. And it's it's a hard game. It will
Speaker 3: challenge you, like.
Speaker 2: How long did it take you to learn it? Because
Speaker 2: I feel like, now I'm gonna have to.
Speaker 3: No one has.
Speaker 1: One. Sorry, no. But the thing is is like, all right,
Speaker 1: for instance, uh, our friend Zara, who is no, but she's.
Speaker 2: Stuck in her uh kind of, she's stuck in her mood.
Speaker 2: She's stuck in her mood where like she loves chain restaurants,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, yeah, exactly, oh no you mentioned Chipotle.
Speaker 2: She'll like, she'll just die on the spot. However, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm telling her like, Okay, we're ramping up our games now,
Speaker 2: and you live in Los Angeles and we're doing these
Speaker 2: high powered meetings.
Speaker 1: You might have to learn.
Speaker 2: How to acclamant or adjust yourself to eating sushi. When
Speaker 2: she's her first response, yeah, I hate sushi. Whatever, I'm like, no,
Speaker 2: but like a lot of you know.
Speaker 1: People are gonna be running in.
Speaker 2: That's exactly You're gonna have to. We're gonna have to
Speaker 2: start adulting. And I feel like, for some reason, a
Speaker 2: lot of the high caliber power people that I'm running in.
Speaker 3: It's an expensive sport.
Speaker 7: So that's one thing too, right, Why it's not a
Speaker 7: brokeman's game. It's very expensive to play, right, So I
Speaker 7: mean that's why, Yeah.
Speaker 5: I hole so it's like you're walking from what I've
Speaker 5: heard is a lot of people to use it for networking,
Speaker 5: like because it's I mean it's eighteen, so you walk
Speaker 5: in you talking.
Speaker 3: There's definitely been like on sets on the weekend I'm
Speaker 3: on location, the producers like we're playing off. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I brought my clubs. I played, They're like, you play.
Speaker 3: It is something I've met a lot of people through golf,
Speaker 3: but I don't use it just for that. I love golf.
Speaker 3: It's fun. I watch it. Just stretch before you do it,
Speaker 3: mirror ever, just.
Speaker 1: Despite you, I'll tell you, I'll go with you. Matter
Speaker 1: of fact, why don't we all.
Speaker 2: Next game night, I'm taking everybody to the Top Golf.
Speaker 3: I'm going let's get let's start you there, get a lesson,
Speaker 3: he says, top Golf.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 7: I was like, that's not the same.
Speaker 1: No, I want to get you could get some.
Speaker 3: You know, you could get some swings in and not
Speaker 3: a physical.
Speaker 2: Game and you you cannot play right now in your
Speaker 2: current condition.
Speaker 3: Absolutely not not because your back is ye stance. That
Speaker 3: would not be a good choice, this injury.
Speaker 2: Can you name me all the non professional jobs that
Speaker 2: you used to have okay, always non industry related.
Speaker 3: So growing up, my grandmother had owned the dry cleaners,
Speaker 3: and that's some at one point at two to three
Speaker 3: of them, like you know. And so in Chicago, a
Speaker 3: lot of times in the high rises you have a
Speaker 3: uh they have a dry cleaner in the building. So
Speaker 3: so I used to work there every weekend in the summer,
Speaker 3: every day for my grandmother. So dry cleaners, copy store, okay,
Speaker 3: pizza place, taking orders and waiting tables at this Italian restaurant.
Speaker 3: And then I used to stuff envelopes for my mother
Speaker 3: at the at Chicago State University during a certain time
Speaker 3: during the year, you'd have she had to pay somebody,
Speaker 3: and I did it. I always had a little job.
Speaker 1: Cereal of choice.
Speaker 3: And then you're not fun in the morning, Okay. Back
Speaker 3: in the day, it would have been, uh, the frosted wheaties.
Speaker 3: Frosted wheaties. I love those things many I love those.
Speaker 3: I could eat those out the box.
Speaker 1: That's my top ten. I like that number six. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh man, you scared me.
Speaker 3: Because I don't like it gets I have to when
Speaker 3: I would eat it, like I don't like Mike to
Speaker 3: get soggy, so I would have to, like put the
Speaker 3: milk in and eat it real quick while it was
Speaker 3: still crunchy. It gets all mushy and it's gross.
Speaker 2: And okay, I mean, what's your top, dude, I'm peanut,
Speaker 2: but a Captain crunch all day.
Speaker 7: No crunchberries.
Speaker 3: If you're gonna do a Captain crunch, you better do
Speaker 3: a cruncher. I don't know what You're.
Speaker 1: Better eat them with a mouth guard. They're gonna cut
Speaker 1: up the top of the.
Speaker 3: Guys. No, the sugar puff, what is it?
Speaker 7: The what is it?
Speaker 3: The puff with the sugar.
Speaker 2: Tops, kicks, sugar corn pops? No golden crips? What's what's
Speaker 2: the name of the It was like.
Speaker 3: Toaster not No, I don't like that.
Speaker 1: No, I was not a Simon cookie.
Speaker 3: It's like I would get lucky charms. But just eat
Speaker 3: all the.
Speaker 1: You did last night. I got so Now they've made
Speaker 1: fruity pebbles with marshmallows.
Speaker 7: Now, none of that stuff tastes the same as kids like.
Speaker 3: So much sugar.
Speaker 1: It's not the same. I'm still part of the fruit loops.
Speaker 1: I think fruit loops.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, apple.
Speaker 6: Jackson of the day.
Speaker 3: If you're asking me now, I'm gonna give you answers
Speaker 3: from back in the day because my eating habits have changed.
Speaker 3: I don't eat here. I'm not gonna have a big
Speaker 3: sugar bomb in the morning. Yeah, that is not a
Speaker 3: good choice to start your day off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now she's giving.
Speaker 3: PCTAR mushrooms ended this morning. That's what I had. Mushrooms
Speaker 3: are the thing right now.
Speaker 1: There are you in the mushroom like drug mushrooms not drugs, drugs.
Speaker 1: Magic ushrooms are just a little bit different than heroin. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I never with that. Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 3: But at this point in my life, of course, not
Speaker 3: really what.
Speaker 1: Yes, but been there done that sounds it'll help your tailbow.
Speaker 3: I'm one of those people at this point I would
Speaker 3: not like some of the chances I took as a
Speaker 3: young person.
Speaker 1: You're not changing horses midstream.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I could, I could get that one crazy high,
Speaker 3: like something weird that changes my life, and I got
Speaker 3: responsibilities and kids. There's nothing, there is nothing, There is
Speaker 3: no high that I'm chasing. I look back at my
Speaker 3: life and I go, I'm very lucky that nothing crazy happened.
Speaker 3: So I'm a wrapping up and keep moving. A little
Speaker 3: wine and maybe a gummy or something. You started with mushrooms,
Speaker 3: but that's a psychedelic kind.
Speaker 1: Of it's a psychodap. But we talked about drugs.
Speaker 5: I'm talking about like the hard ship, like the White Ship,
Speaker 5: like scheduled to narcotics.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, like any anything. It's like
Speaker 1: use that as a party drug.
Speaker 3: So it's yeah, like what yeah, but I'm not going
Speaker 3: to no more park we're talking about I'm doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's not happening. I don't consider mushrooms a
Speaker 1: party joke.
Speaker 3: And my husband's very straight. He's like, no drugs. He
Speaker 3: barely drinks.
Speaker 6: So busy cleaning the garage.
Speaker 1: I would be there. I'm the organize twenty seventeen coffee.
Speaker 1: How do you how you do your coffee?
Speaker 3: How do you know?
Speaker 1: I was going to ask that question because he knows
Speaker 1: where is your order at Starbucks? What's your Starbucks order?
Speaker 6: She doesn't go to Starbucks?
Speaker 1: Make your home. It's just my god.
Speaker 3: If I'm on the set and they say we're going
Speaker 3: to Starbucks, I will ask for two things. I will
Speaker 3: either say I want Americano with one cream, one sugar,
Speaker 3: or I will go, oh, today, I'm going to have
Speaker 3: a little dessert thing. Give me a I mocha half
Speaker 3: chocolate soy milk, and that would be no whip cream
Speaker 3: that was at home at home. So he has this
Speaker 3: mushroom coffee. I'm into the mushrooms, but I love but
Speaker 3: I love coffee, so I'm not saying you asked me
Speaker 3: about coffee. So I have my coffee. Listen, try this
Speaker 3: because in the morning, this thing will have you moving
Speaker 3: through your day. So I have my regular big cup
Speaker 3: of coffee ten ounces, and I put a tablespoon of
Speaker 3: the instant mushroom coffee in my coffee. And then, by
Speaker 3: the way, done this, and then I use a butter
Speaker 3: bomb in there that has the coconut oil and the
Speaker 3: d butter mixture thing. And that's why I don't eat
Speaker 3: till one because that kind of carries me.
Speaker 2: Puts a dab of coconut butter inside of his coffee,
Speaker 2: and what does that do something?
Speaker 3: It's really good. It's it's really good for your mental
Speaker 3: capacity energy that mixed with the mushroom stuff with like
Speaker 3: I'm so wait, what kind of butter was that again?
Speaker 6: And just butter bomb?
Speaker 1: Butter bomb or a coconut.
Speaker 3: That's a tight I'm asking, But it's a mixture of butter,
Speaker 3: coconut and this other something.
Speaker 1: But I can, I can vouch for this to put
Speaker 1: us onto it. I did it. It actually is.
Speaker 3: But this whole mixture with the mushroom in it is
Speaker 3: my I think is my It's my thing. I made
Speaker 3: it up because I don't want mushroom coffee. I want coffee,
Speaker 3: and so I was like, I could put it all
Speaker 3: on Wenesday.
Speaker 1: What it is coffee?
Speaker 3: And the yeah, are you coming at you don't drink coffee?
Speaker 7: Oh so you think he don't know?
Speaker 3: Okay, No, No, the mushroom because it's a mushroom coffee.
Speaker 3: I add the mushroom coffee powder into my regular coffee
Speaker 3: with the butter thing and no sugar.
Speaker 2: If coffee was really my jam, I'm one of these people.
Speaker 2: I'm not Wow, we're talking about coffee, Steve. If you
Speaker 2: have not waiting yet, I'm thinking about snorting rice. Chrispis
Speaker 2: as much when I think of Starbucks, Like my Christmas
Speaker 2: gift to Steve is always like you probably ran out.
Speaker 1: Already gold Starbucks card or something. It's like a lifetime supply.
Speaker 1: All right, for Halloween? What is your costume?
Speaker 6: Wait, we're already office all right, shit, Okay, we're still
Speaker 6: talking about No, I'm obsessed, but let's talk about Halloween.
Speaker 3: Okay. The last Halloween that we went to was a
Speaker 3: dress up as your because they were people were performing
Speaker 3: on stage two and doing a thing. So I went
Speaker 3: as Vanity.
Speaker 1: Wow, yes you did.
Speaker 3: I went as Vanity. I wore her little outfit, you know,
Speaker 3: but what I was going to and then I chickened down.
Speaker 3: Wait which Vanity from the actual movie. Vanity opened the video,
Speaker 3: and so I had I got. I rented a tuxedo jacket,
Speaker 3: and I had hotelingerie and the heels I went.
Speaker 6: I went.
Speaker 3: That's how I went.
Speaker 1: Nice. Do you do you go karaoke? Like at all? No,
Speaker 1: you started out as a singer.
Speaker 3: But I don't like karaoke. It's not my thing. Okay,
Speaker 3: because you go and then it's not in the key
Speaker 3: you need to be I'm judging, it's like it's too no.
Speaker 6: No, those songs are always higher than.
Speaker 3: You think, they're always highed like.
Speaker 1: Any bon jovie song.
Speaker 6: Ever, you're like, I got this ship, and then and
Speaker 6: then you get to the chorus of Blaze of the
Speaker 6: Glory and you're like, I don't gotten this ship.
Speaker 3: And then they give me this book like this, I
Speaker 3: can't make it.
Speaker 1: It's like it's a lot judging.
Speaker 2: Okay, For me, I discovered that I have to go
Speaker 2: back to me as a nine, ten, eleven year old
Speaker 2: and discover fun for that person. For you, what is
Speaker 2: your one Do you allow yourself to ever become an
Speaker 2: eleven year old at this stage in your life? And
Speaker 2: what is it that you do for fun? Do you
Speaker 2: play Monopoly when no one's watching? Do you watch Tom
Speaker 2: and Jerry play spades? Am I really making you uncomfortable
Speaker 2: right now?
Speaker 3: Well, because I'm thinking of my whole life is going.
Speaker 3: I'm going maybe I'm not doing enough things for fun.
Speaker 3: We do play spades. I don't know if I'm doing
Speaker 3: that all the time. But we used to a lot
Speaker 3: of things. I used to do like Donder and I
Speaker 3: used to be on a in a bowling league. We
Speaker 3: used to bowl a lot, okay, and golf more than
Speaker 3: he would say, I'm not playing much golf anymore. I
Speaker 3: start getting too into work, so I might h you
Speaker 3: may be telling me I need to have more fun
Speaker 3: because usually no.
Speaker 1: No, these are just random questions.
Speaker 3: You're or not. This is a hard question for me
Speaker 3: to answer. It would usually be getting together. We have
Speaker 3: sort of a couple's group. We all go out to dinner,
Speaker 3: and it's really hanging out with them and going to dinner.
Speaker 3: But that doesn't sound like that much fun. We're vacationing together,
Speaker 3: but it doesn't sound that exciting.
Speaker 1: You know, something I discovered the joys of silence.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm kind of you know how they say
Speaker 3: I would rather be at home. Sitting up in my
Speaker 3: house is comfortable. We have a nice little area outside.
Speaker 3: I can watch TV outside and sit there and be
Speaker 3: with my husband and with my dogs and chill.
Speaker 5: Okay, you know you have a guilty pleasure in terms
Speaker 5: of food or like we talked about all the healthy stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you do.
Speaker 5: What's like your you know when you just want to
Speaker 5: go to the abyss, Like what's the worst thing you eat?
Speaker 5: Like you just you buzzed down a quarter pounds like.
Speaker 7: Burger.
Speaker 1: Let's let's ratchet Sally riches.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 3: Because so for many for a long time, I was
Speaker 3: like a vegan vegetarian. I've just started eating some meat
Speaker 3: sometimes now, so I think it would be some pizza
Speaker 3: and wings something like that. No, No, I want spicy.
Speaker 3: I went hot. Yeah, I've been enjoying some girls.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about it.
Speaker 7: And which.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: She was like, god, she thought about the mouse sauce.
Speaker 1: She was like, holy ship, what.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, Delian the truth.
Speaker 1: We're a very silly show.
Speaker 6: No, very serious about mushrooms, and we're a very silly show.
Speaker 3: You're asking me, serious ship, what you want. I'm giving
Speaker 3: you serious answers. Okay, but what's your Okay, my haralds
Speaker 3: it's been a long time, but my Harold's order would
Speaker 3: be say it like you at the counter, because okay,
Speaker 3: well I got to think about it because.
Speaker 1: I remember, is my chicken heaven in Chicago?
Speaker 3: So you would get it's like a fried chicken plate
Speaker 3: and then there's French fries on it and some white bread,
Speaker 3: and so I always get, you know, like what is
Speaker 3: that like half a chicken or so I don't remember what,
Speaker 3: but I like the barbecue sauce and the hot sauce
Speaker 3: all over it, and I yeah, yeah, so like yeah,
Speaker 3: half Chad.
Speaker 1: Yes, it has to be white bread. It has to
Speaker 1: be in Chicago.
Speaker 3: Rib tips, yes, sir, Yes, Chicago south Side. That is
Speaker 3: the city of rib tips, rib tips and white white
Speaker 3: wonderbread and some French fries.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you're here because it's been a while
Speaker 2: since we had a Chicago guest.
Speaker 1: On the show. You got to explain some things to me. Okay,
Speaker 1: Number one, here we go. What's up with y'all? And
Speaker 1: this anti ketchup on hot dog thing?
Speaker 3: That's you know what? I like ketchup on my hot dogs.
Speaker 3: But yeah, because you get when you go get a
Speaker 3: Chicago hot dog, it's a pickle, these peppers and mustard.
Speaker 1: Out the restaurant. Sometimes if you put ketchup on it, or.
Speaker 3: Or if you ordered a Chicago dogs insult to them. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I like ketchup. I think that's more of a white thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, defend your pizza.
Speaker 3: It's fantastic talking about Oh my god, the way she was.
Speaker 3: I used to work at a pizza place. I used
Speaker 3: to work at Eduardo's, which is like really thick pizza.
Speaker 2: Well, not not to totally alienate an entire part of
Speaker 2: our listenership, I.
Speaker 3: Will just let me tell you.
Speaker 1: Could you recommend good, better spots in Chicago?
Speaker 3: Okay, so honestly on the what I do not remember
Speaker 3: the name of this. There's a place on like really
Speaker 3: south Side because my mom lives out like in the South.
Speaker 3: I'm good, no, because he's because she lives out like
Speaker 3: in the South suburbs.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 3: But it's a thinner pizza that they have, But there
Speaker 3: is a different taste to the sauce and the pizza
Speaker 3: in Chicago.
Speaker 1: Oh god, I wish I as opposed to it.
Speaker 3: No, no, because yours is super thin. Okay, right, The
Speaker 3: New York pizza is its own thing. It's fantastic. But
Speaker 3: there is a thinner crust pizza in Chicago that has
Speaker 3: like the sausage pizza with the grease in it, and
Speaker 3: the taste of that sauce is I think maybe it's
Speaker 3: neighborhood pizza or something. It is a you would love
Speaker 3: that pizza. If you don't like thick crust, fine, but
Speaker 3: you would love that pizza. I would put that pizza.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm gonna text my mother before I leave here
Speaker 3: and find out the name of this pizza place. I
Speaker 3: would put that against a slice of New York pizza.
Speaker 1: I don't have any.
Speaker 3: You don't have any.
Speaker 1: I live in New York. But okay, but you know
Speaker 1: I'm testing out their pizzas.
Speaker 7: But that you know what?
Speaker 3: Okay, So now, besides Harold's that pizza in Chicago, that
Speaker 3: kind of thin crust one with that grease and that
Speaker 3: Italian sausage. That and Chicago Chinese food is because they
Speaker 3: don't Chicago Chinese food is well, obviously that's what I
Speaker 3: grew up on, but like some egg food young from
Speaker 3: some it's a whole different Chinese.
Speaker 1: I came out of Chinese place. We went to there
Speaker 1: one night, David Yo, I tried David Wan's last night.
Speaker 6: I was losing hope changed my life as a Jew
Speaker 6: who loves Chinese food. Well, for whatever reason, that moment
Speaker 6: at that night, fancy Chinese or like, it's not.
Speaker 2: Hood, it's not hood, it's but it's not fancy, but
Speaker 2: it's not hood. But they've mastered the art of salt
Speaker 2: and pepper chicken wings.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, And.
Speaker 3: Yes, my test is always egg foo young and shrimp
Speaker 3: with lobster sauce. If it tastes a certain way, If
Speaker 3: it's not right, then your restaurant ain't right.
Speaker 1: Philadelphia is a salt pepper chicken.
Speaker 6: It's like two dishes of what is probably like a
Speaker 6: thousand dishes, but for those two are.
Speaker 3: Big staples in a in a Chicago Chinese restaurant. We
Speaker 3: should be able to make egg food young.
Speaker 6: And I feel like you're about to fight.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: The Chicago.
Speaker 3: I'm a random dinner. I said you should have you
Speaker 3: should have had some alcohol here. I might have been
Speaker 3: a different person.
Speaker 1: Less to meet back here tomorrow.
Speaker 6: Sad time.
Speaker 1: We're going up a bit. But I have a few
Speaker 1: more random questions.
Speaker 3: If asked me about Gilded real quick, so I can
Speaker 3: tell you about Okay, you kind of did. It's a
Speaker 3: great season. It'll be fantastic.
Speaker 1: Now what more would you like to be going?
Speaker 3: I just want people it's about to come out, and
Speaker 3: you know, I want to tell for for my black audience,
Speaker 3: because we want all I want to say, who were
Speaker 3: hungry for more of Peggy Yes, and the black elite.
Speaker 7: She's not going to get hurt when she goes to
Speaker 7: the South.
Speaker 3: I'm not telling yeah, cool, But but she does go
Speaker 3: but I can't say that she goes to meet booker
Speaker 3: t Washington. So she does go to Tuskegee. So but
Speaker 3: you get to see more of that because people were
Speaker 3: hungry for it, because it was just the taste of
Speaker 3: Obviously the show's not about that, but so I just
Speaker 3: wanted to say that because people have been everywhere I go,
Speaker 3: people are like, when's it coming back? Are we going
Speaker 3: to see more Peggy? Yes, you are, and it's gonna
Speaker 3: be great.
Speaker 1: It's kind of great. Well, they're just totally paled my
Speaker 1: next question.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to get people keep asking me someone
Speaker 3: to tell them, go ahead, do y'all put.
Speaker 7: A little extra extra funky on those clothes on the
Speaker 7: wardrobe and gilded.
Speaker 3: They spent a lot of money on those because they
Speaker 3: it seems, I mean, it's is brilliant. She is friend,
Speaker 3: this French woman, she is brilliant. They are all handmade,
Speaker 3: but you know, obviously the ones for the actors, for
Speaker 3: the main actors, they're all handmade for each of them.
Speaker 3: They are made with the most beautiful fabric. The hats
Speaker 3: are It's all about the hats.
Speaker 7: This year I saw that.
Speaker 3: It's just that's what I enjoyed so much in directing.
Speaker 3: It was like, oh, if I if you show if
Speaker 3: she showed me a special piece, I'm like, don't worry, baby,
Speaker 3: we see you again. Yeah, yeah, come, I asked you
Speaker 3: a shallow QUI Wow.
Speaker 1: It's like Jerry's.
Speaker 6: Sally at seven on the look the funk out because
Speaker 6: I kind of.
Speaker 2: Wanted to ended on on rather apropoke question, what would
Speaker 2: you tell, oh lord, your seven year old self right now,
Speaker 2: shallow ship?
Speaker 1: See, they should have warned you about this show.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, And some some guests are are a
Speaker 2: little thrown off because yeah, I mean, we could do
Speaker 2: the normal thing, like hey, what do you pluck? But
Speaker 2: I want to get to the deep person, you know,
Speaker 2: behind the project. What would you tell your seven year
Speaker 2: old self right now? Like you're given two minutes to
Speaker 2: time travel back to you at the age of seven,
Speaker 2: and opinion your parents did?
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it really is one of
Speaker 3: those like you will make it through this. You will
Speaker 3: make it through this, and and I always say, and
Speaker 3: it's gonna be okay, like, uh, it's really you're gonna
Speaker 3: make it through this. You're gonna make it through this. Yes,
Speaker 3: it's great. What is it like to direct?
Speaker 7: Now? I'm sorry my last question, Gilda question, What is
Speaker 7: it like? I'm gonna say it one more time to
Speaker 7: direct Audrey McDon.
Speaker 3: She's she's one of those people there's not much to
Speaker 3: do because she's brilliant, and she's kind and nice and
Speaker 3: easy and everything you would hope from someone who's that talented,
Speaker 3: like there's no issues and if I didn't, you know,
Speaker 3: if I if that wasn't true, then I would have
Speaker 3: given you a quick, easy answer.
Speaker 1: It's good.
Speaker 3: Thank you a good lady.
Speaker 1: Well, my future mentor.
Speaker 3: Sally, are you coming and shadowing? You ready? And then
Speaker 3: I'll come and talk to you about documentary work.
Speaker 6: Who's like a round table?
Speaker 1: Come on now? Well, I thank you for coming on
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you so much for having me excited
Speaker 3: when you guys call, thank you, thank you for putting
Speaker 3: your touch on my favorite show.
Speaker 2: And uh yeah when we haveing Font Digelo and m Paid,
Speaker 2: Bill and Sugar, Steve and Layah this Quest Love.
Speaker 1: Thank you a Salarbry you said Woodville for coming on
Speaker 1: the show. And we'll see you on the next go round.
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