1 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: What's Good Command his Family? This is Brian Cooper Junior here, 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: and this is the Next Man Up Podcast. Our Next 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:10,480 Speaker 1: Man Up is no other than Jamison Crowder, our returnment 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: and our wide Receiver. We talk about returning to the 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,639 Speaker 1: Washington Commanders after being drafted by them in twenty fifteen. 6 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: We talk about his family, We talk about going to Duke, 7 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,959 Speaker 1: and we talk about a legendary story where Jamison Crowder 8 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: hooped and got the best of Kai Reed Irving. All 9 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: that and more starts right now. What's Good Command His Family? 10 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 1: Brian cople Junior here, and this is the Next Man 11 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: Up podcast where we don't talk so much ex's and o's. 12 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,559 Speaker 1: We talk more about the man behind the helmet. And 13 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: today's Next Man Up is no other than Jameison crowd 14 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: our return man or wide Receiver. Brother. 15 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: How you doing today? I'm doing great, man, Glad to 16 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 2: be here. Oh man. 17 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: So we had a lot to talk about man coming 18 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: off of a very big game, but we don't want 19 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 1: to get into that just yet. 20 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 2: We want to get into more of the beginning where 21 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: it started. 22 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: When Roll from North Carolina talk to us about what 23 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: that city means to you. 24 00:00:58,600 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 3: It means a lot to me the place that I 25 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 3: was born and raised. You know, it's a small, small 26 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 3: town right outside of Charlotte. You know, it's it's very 27 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,199 Speaker 3: sports driven, like the school I went to and everything. 28 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 3: We've always had good athletes coming in and out. Football, basketball, 29 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 3: you know, it was like the two main sports. But 30 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 3: but it means a lot. All my family's there. You know, 31 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 3: I go back there now, you know, just to stay grounded. 32 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 3: It keeps me grounded, you know, going to see my 33 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 3: fam you know, going to cookouts, just family events. Uh, 34 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 3: just going there and just you know, seeing my brother 35 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 3: and everything. So uh, then that's definitely the place that 36 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 3: if that you know, made me who I am today, 37 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 3: and you talk about it made you who you are today, 38 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 3: give us a little more detail on that, Like what 39 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 3: about that city made you who you are and kind 40 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 3: of made this driven human that we know today? 41 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: Right? 42 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 3: I mean I think, uh, I think the main thing 43 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 3: is just like you know, it's just like a southern town. 44 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 2: You know, it's not it's not like a d C. 45 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: LA or New York. You know what I'm saying. 46 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 3: You know, growing up there, you don't really see a 47 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 3: lot of uh you know, big flag and everything like that. 48 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 3: So uh, you know, just growing up, you just kind 49 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 3: of you know, you go outside back in the days, 50 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 3: go outside, play football, my boys basketball. You know, we'll 51 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 3: go to the park or really be playing basketball in 52 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 3: the backyard where you know the goal right there and 53 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 3: ain't nothing but a thing of dirt right there, you know, 54 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 3: and then the water were drinking was out of the 55 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 3: you know, out of the water hole. You know, just 56 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 3: childhood things that that we would do, ride bikes all 57 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 3: over the town. So I think, you know, just those 58 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 3: experiences and just you know, just having those childhood memories 59 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 3: and just enjoying my childhood, uh you know in that 60 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 3: in that city, uh, in my town. Just you know, 61 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 3: it's shave me who I am today. You know, I've 62 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 3: been able This game of football have has been my 63 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 3: vehicle to you know obviously, you know, come and live 64 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 3: in cities like d C and York and stuff like 65 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 3: that and get experienced big cities like that, but I'll 66 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 3: never forget, you know, where I came from. 67 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: And football is give me the opportunity. 68 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, before you made it to DC, before you made 69 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 1: to New York, you decided to go to Duke. You 70 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: had a lot of options. Sounds like you had some 71 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: big schools coming at you. What made you decide to say, 72 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna take my talents over the Duke. 73 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 3: Uh well, I mean I think it was a lot. 74 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 3: It was a lot that went into that. You know, 75 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 3: Like I say, Man, been from North Carolina. It's crazy, man, 76 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 3: And I've told this story before. Well, my dad played 77 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 3: football in North Carolina and t so growing up, Man, 78 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 3: I was going to like all the anti games, So 79 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 3: I definitely was. It was an anti fan. And believe 80 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 3: it or not, like they probably would have offered me first. 81 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,839 Speaker 3: I might have would have committed to it. But but yeah, 82 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 3: but Duke was my first offer, and you know it 83 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 3: was a blessing. 84 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 2: Uh to receive that offer. 85 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 3: Then was Duke offered me other you know, a few 86 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 3: other division Division one schools in Northkline to offer me. 87 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: But uh, Duke was just the right place for me. 88 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 3: You know, as I continue my recruiting visits and stuff 89 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 3: like that through during my recruiting time, Uh, they won 90 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 3: me over Coach cut you know, they told me what 91 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 3: it was going to be and uh, you know the 92 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 3: opportunities I would have if I attended you know, Duke 93 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 3: University and you know, and in hindsight, man, everything that 94 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 3: that he said, you know, kind of came kind of 95 00:03:59,480 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 3: came to pass. 96 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: So so I'm very thankful. 97 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 3: That's probably the best decision I made in this point 98 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 3: in my life, and. 99 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: Clearly was a good decision. And you talk about your 100 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: pops playing, what would those conversations like when you're in college, 101 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: care your pops had done this right, He's giving you 102 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: advice and all that stuff. You finally made it to 103 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: this point that he made it to. All those conversations 104 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: between you and your pops. 105 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 3: I mean it was always grad I mean even before 106 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 3: college man, like uh playing football and high in high 107 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 3: school and basketball and high school man, like they would 108 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 3: my dad would come and record all my basketball games, 109 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 3: like we'll go home and watch them, and like they 110 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 3: were like my parents. 111 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 2: They were like critique and everything. 112 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like parents do like it, 113 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 3: Like we just watching the game, Like I scored six 114 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 3: points today, Like you good? Like nah, like I need 115 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 3: you to just go twenty next week. You know you 116 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. It is so but nah, it 117 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 3: was always like that. You know, they would always you know, 118 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 3: be tough on me, you know, always push me to 119 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 3: do better or to be better, like I said, from 120 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 3: high school and then once I I was just got 121 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 3: to college, it was the same thing. 122 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 2: You know. 123 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 3: They would watch the games obviously and they would tell 124 00:04:58,800 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 3: me like, yeah, you should have did. 125 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 2: This, did that. 126 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 3: So so that's just always always getting that critique from them. 127 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 3: And then they I mean even now even to this day, 128 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 3: they still you know, critique my game, you know once 129 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 3: they watch the highlights or whatever it may be. 130 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 2: But yeah, that's just always kind of how my dad 131 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 2: and my mom is. 132 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 3: Being and uh, you know, always take take take heed 133 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 3: to what they you know, what they're telling me. 134 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can see it so light up as 135 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: you talk about your parents. Man, And it's cool because 136 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: like reading about you know, we do a lot of 137 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: research coming into the podcast and reading about your family 138 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: and how they would drive one hundred and seventy miles 139 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,799 Speaker 1: to come see your games in d C. They driving 140 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 1: the DC to see a games. You in New York, 141 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: They're driving to New York to see a games. Man, 142 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: What does that support system like and what does that 143 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: mean to you to have your family so supportive of you? 144 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 2: Oh, that means a lot, you know, it's it means everything. 145 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 3: You know, when when when you have people to come 146 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 3: and support you and you know that truly and genuinely 147 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 3: care about you and want to see you do well, 148 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 3: you know obviously that just kind of helps boost my 149 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 3: confidence just you know, makes me to go want to 150 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 3: go out there and thrive. And you know, that's the 151 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 3: thing I think that a lot of people don't have, 152 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 3: and you know sometimes that can be you know, to 153 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 3: make a break of some people, you know. So I've 154 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 3: been very very blessed and truly thankful to have you know, 155 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 3: my parents to be there and my family as well, 156 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 3: you know, my aunt's, uncle's cousin, stuff like that, to 157 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 3: have you know, support me throughout my whole career. 158 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: And it's not just your parents pulling up. It's your 159 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: little brother as well. And you and your brother have 160 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 1: a very very special relationship with special bond, and I 161 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: know you've learned a lot for your brother. He just 162 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: talk about you and your brother and that relationship, and 163 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: just talk about your brother a little bit. 164 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 3: Right, yeah, man, my brother Jamar. So you know, man, 165 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 3: he's he's been very very very special to me. 166 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: Man. 167 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 2: You know, ever since I was younger, man, he would 168 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 2: coming all the games. 169 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 3: Uh, you know, with my parents, they never left him out, 170 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 3: you know, so so just being able to see him 171 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 3: come to the games and enjoy the games, it definitely 172 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 3: you know, helps brighten up my day and just you 173 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 3: know easy. 174 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 2: In my mood. 175 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 3: Whether we go out there, we win, lose, whatever, but 176 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 3: just seeing him and have him at the games always 177 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 3: just you know, just keeps me mellow. And uh, you know, 178 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 3: it's always a great feeling. 179 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: And your little brother has has down syndrome, right, And 180 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 1: that's a big deal to point out because like you said, 181 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: they're coming to every game. Even with the things he's 182 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: going through, he's still there supporting you. And you've mentioned 183 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: it before in other interviews about how much you've learned 184 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: from your brother watching him go through his trials and tribulations. 185 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: How does that put life into perspective seeing what your 186 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: brother is dealt with his whole life. 187 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 3: Right, I mean it just mean, you know what I'm saying, 188 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 3: It just put things in a different perspective. Like you know, 189 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 3: he's nonverbal, so he's twenty years old now and you 190 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 3: know he hasn't you know, we haven't able to talk 191 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 3: to him, you know, communicate with him his whole life. 192 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 3: So you know, this is one of the challenges. But 193 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 3: you know, he's uh, he's able to communicate with us, you. 194 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: Know, different ways. Smart. 195 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 3: You know, you're ask him what he wants, he go 196 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 3: get it, point to it, whatever it may be. But 197 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 3: that's just a challenge that you know that that we've 198 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 3: you know, have to deal with, you know, his whole life. 199 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 3: But but for me, man, just putting things in perspective. Man, 200 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 3: you know, for me, it's just like I'm just blessed, 201 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, just to be able to 202 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 3: you know, you know, as I said, he can't he 203 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 3: can't speak, So it's like for me, I'm just like, man, 204 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 3: you know, I'm blessed. I'm the one out there playing 205 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 3: no one could talk, speak whatever. Like you know, I'm 206 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 3: just truly blessed. So like I said, I love my 207 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 3: family man, I love my brother. 208 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 2: Man. 209 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: That's awesome. Man, you're definitely blessed. But it sounds like 210 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: you're a blessing to your family as well. Your mom 211 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: has said that when you get around your brother, he 212 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: lights up. He's just different. How cool is that knowing 213 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: that you can bring that out of him, Like you said, 214 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: you guys can't really communicate, but you have your own 215 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 1: form of nonverbal communication. How cool is that being that 216 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: light for your brother? 217 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 2: Yeah? Man, it's cool. Man, It's dope. You know what 218 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 2: I'm saying. 219 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 3: You know, it's just one of those things that Maham 220 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 3: had just have that that connection and it's hard to 221 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 3: explain it, but you know, I can, you know, make 222 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 3: him do things and bring some of the uh you know, 223 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 3: intelligent things out of him that others can't. 224 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,119 Speaker 2: So uh that definitely always just you know, lights. 225 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 3: Up and brightens up my day when when when I 226 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 3: know that man had that connection, I can do some 227 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 3: of the things that others can't. 228 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, man, thank you for sharing that part. Man. 229 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: And uh and it's a pivot. You know, we were 230 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: talking a little earlier. You said you were hooper. I 231 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: heard you can do or you can like dunk barefoot 232 00:08:57,440 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: just straight off bird. 233 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 2: Is that real? I can't. I can't get out avert, 234 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: but I can. 235 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 3: I definitely, you know, got a little got a little spring. 236 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 3: Takes a little bit older now, so I don't know, 237 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 3: you know how much I can get up there, but yeah, 238 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 3: definitely high school, college and last few years. 239 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 2: Man, I definitely Yeah. 240 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, like I said, we'd like to do 241 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: all research here on the Next Line Up podcast. And 242 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: I heard this like legend. It's like this legend around 243 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: Duke where you went to your college visit. You run 244 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: into Mason Plumley, who's now in the NBA, but at 245 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: the time was playing a duke and he heard you 246 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: was an athlete, heard you can hoop, and he said, man, 247 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:33,719 Speaker 1: come come hoop with us. You know, you're like, oh no, 248 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: I don't got no shoes. My man provided the shoes 249 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 1: for you. And you go and hoop and run pick 250 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: up with Duke's team. Now you playing point guard, of course, 251 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: and the point guard you're going up against is Kyrie Irving, 252 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: no other than Kyrie Irving right well, on the other 253 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 1: opposing team, kyri Vervans on the opposing team, right. And 254 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: I heard y'all ran four games. 255 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 2: Yep. 256 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: I heard you ain't lose one of them. 257 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 2: Right. 258 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: It's a pretty big deal, Max, I mean four games 259 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: about as much as Kyrie played in college. Right, So 260 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: that's a pretty big deal. Man, talk about that, And 261 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: it is that true? 262 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 2: Well? 263 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so I'm gonna clear it up. Yeah, that's true. 264 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 3: It was actually going into my senior year of high school, 265 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 3: and me and my family just went up there to 266 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 3: do you know what I'm saying, to see the campus 267 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 3: one day, run the mason and uh so we're talking 268 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 3: to him. 269 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 2: You know, my mom she's. 270 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 3: A big talker, so she and like, you know, she 271 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 3: tells me like, yeah, my son, you know, he recruited 272 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 3: for football and everything about it, but uh, you. 273 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 2: Know, I play a little basketball. 274 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 3: So he was like with Shure, you know, he played 275 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 3: a little ball, was playing pick up, play on you 276 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 3: want to come through. So like you said, like I 277 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 3: didn't have any I just I was just some casual clothes, 278 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 3: like you know, a college shirt or whatever, some jeans. 279 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 2: And I was like, man, ain't got no clothes. He 280 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 2: was like, now you good, y'all good, you know, just 281 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 2: come to get you. 282 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 3: So take me in the back. They give me some 283 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 3: short shoes everything. So going to gym and all the 284 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 3: guys in there, it's summertime. So like the guys like 285 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 3: Kyrie and them, they had just got there that was 286 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 3: going to a freshman year. 287 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: So they just got there for like the first summer setsion. 288 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 3: So like Kyrie Irving, Tyler Thornton, uh Andre Dawkins, Josh Harrison, 289 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 3: them guys, but they cleared up, so I was on. 290 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 3: It was me the team I was was going against Kyrie. 291 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 3: It was me, Tyler Thornton, Josh Herriston, and I can't 292 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 3: remember who other tour might have been Mason and Miles 293 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 3: when on on our team, but it was Kyrie. 294 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,199 Speaker 2: Uh he had one the plumbs on his team. But 295 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 2: Tyler Thornton was guarding Kyrie. Okay, okay, okay. 296 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 3: So how they would play, like how they would play 297 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 3: pick up was they would do like a seven game 298 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 3: series basically. So seeing the team I was on, yeah, 299 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 3: we won you know, one four out of you know four, No, 300 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 3: and I definitely help guarding. Andre Dawkins was guarding me. 301 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 3: I definitely held my own. I was you know, went 302 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 3: dropped twenty with the board, but I got me a 303 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 3: couple of buckets in there. So it was definitely like, 304 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 3: you know, I can I can play. Yeah, there's no 305 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 3: you know, slouch. But it was a cool experience though 306 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 3: for the most part, you know, I'm saying it was. 307 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 3: It was a really cool experience getting a chance to 308 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 3: you know, go out there and play and you know, 309 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 3: play pickleball with the balls and then it happened on 310 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 3: the Humbug too. 311 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 2: Yeah. 312 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, you wasn't even ready when you got Buckets. 313 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 3: You know, they raised you got to get rid of 314 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 3: show Man, so you do something like that. 315 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: I mean that sounds like, especially today, that sounds like 316 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 1: a legendary run. 317 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 2: Right. 318 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: Did you have any of those moments where you were like, dang, 319 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 1: I should have hooped? 320 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 2: Oh? 321 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 3: I mean it definitely would have been a blessing. I 322 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 3: mean obviously, like I know, like my height definitely would 323 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 3: have been a would have been a hindrance, you know 324 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 3: what I'm saying. But like my skill set, if I 325 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 3: would have worked on my game all like every day 326 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 3: or whatever, like, I definitely would could have a skill 327 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 3: set that took play at the cottage level. Basketball was 328 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 3: just something really that just came naturally to me, you 329 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. And it's something I love to 330 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 3: do in the off season every now and then on 331 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 3: the Lobo. But yeah, man, it just something that came 332 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 3: naturally to me. Man, just being able to handle ball 333 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 3: and just you know, instincts of the game and stuff 334 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 3: like that. Man, I've just been a sports fanatic every 335 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 3: since a child, especially when it came to football and basketball. 336 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 2: But basketball, really my truth was my first love. For real. 337 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: Well, man, we're glad you chose fort ball because you 338 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: ended up here, right. The Commanders of up draft you 339 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen and you end up playing for us 340 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: for four years. What love do you have for the 341 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: squad and the franchise that gave you your first shot 342 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,319 Speaker 1: that draft? Because we know you love it here. Talk 343 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: about that a little bit and how much it meant 344 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: to you that night getting drafted by Washington. 345 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it meant a lot to me. At 346 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: the time. 347 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 3: I didn't really know much about you know, d C 348 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 3: in itself, didn't know much about the franchise obviously. Man, 349 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 3: growing up I was a forty Niners fan, man, a 350 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 3: huge wow. But but yeah, man, but ever since I 351 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 3: you know, since twenty fifteen, Man, when I when I 352 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 3: got here, Man, I loved it. You know, it's just 353 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,680 Speaker 3: like it's it's like a different feeling when you you 354 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 3: know the team that drafts you. You know, obviously I've 355 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 3: been on different teams other organizations throughout my career, but 356 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 3: it's always just like a certain spot kind of in 357 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 3: your heart that you know, team that draft they kind 358 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 3: of hold that spot. So you know, my first four 359 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 3: years here was you know, up and down. 360 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 2: I would say more up and down. 361 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 3: Had a lot of success here, you know, throughout that 362 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 3: first team here, and you know, I really didn't want 363 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 3: to leave, but you know, it's just the bitiness side 364 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 3: of the game. You know, got involved and obviously went 365 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 3: to the Jets and then went to Buffalo last year, 366 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 3: and you know, now I'm just you know, thankful to 367 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 3: be back. 368 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 2: Man. 369 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 3: It's you know, a place that's that's very familiar to me, 370 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 3: but a lot of new faces in the building, but 371 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 3: you know, it's still a familiar place. 372 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: Man. 373 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 2: I love I love d C. I love the culture 374 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 2: of d C. Man. 375 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 3: Even when I left, and there were times where I 376 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 3: would always me and some of my boys would always 377 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 3: you know, make a trip to come back here, whether 378 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 3: it was a weekend or a few days, you know. 379 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 3: I so I would go to some of the go 380 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 3: go shows and stuff. 381 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: Like catching the Vibe. 382 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 3: So it's it's definitely one of the places man, that 383 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 3: that I you know, that that that that I hold 384 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 3: in my heart. That's that's that that that's really true 385 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 3: and you know and close to me. 386 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 2: Man. 387 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll never forget. 388 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 2: Man. 389 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: I had just gotten out here myself, and I'm in 390 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: one of my first meetings and the truck pulls up 391 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: and we got the windows and you walk out the 392 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: truck and I'm with a few ex Washington players and 393 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: everybody got really excited at it. 394 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 2: Everybody's like, oh, man, that's crowded. He's back. He's back. 395 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: And for that level of excitement to be from them 396 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: and they're not even you. How excited were you to 397 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: get a chance to come back here and almost finish 398 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: what you started essentially? 399 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 2: Man? 400 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: How cool was that to come back here? And what 401 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: went into that decision as well? 402 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? 403 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 3: I mean, well, you know it's cool now. I mean 404 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 3: se Initially when I came back here, man, they reached 405 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 3: out to me. Uh So, I was at the crib. Man, 406 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 3: I just got released from the Giants, So I really 407 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 3: didn't know, you know, what the what the next shar 408 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 3: what the future? 409 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: Hell? And sue? Man. 410 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 3: I was back at the house and I just went 411 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 3: played ball that morning and uh So I was laid 412 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 3: on that evening, I was going to the Duke and 413 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 3: Climpson football game and I get a call from my agent. 414 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 3: He was like, the commanders want to bring you in. 415 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 3: You know, to be a possible returner for week one. 416 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 3: So you know, I was just signing the Peace Squad 417 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 3: contract obviously, so I really didn't know, you know, you know, 418 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 3: gonna be a week the week thing, just one week 419 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 3: or whatever it was. So I really didn't know, you know, 420 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 3: kind of how how everything was going to shake out. 421 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 3: But you know, things kind of fell in the place, man. 422 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 3: And you know, I've been here since week one and 423 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 3: you know, now, man, it's been it's been truly excited. 424 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: Man. 425 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 3: Like I said, you know, point return, I've been able 426 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 3: to make you know, a few things happen. And then 427 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 3: obviously this past week, Man, we didn't get the win. 428 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 3: You know, it sucks, but I was able to you know, 429 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 3: play a little bit. 430 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 2: More on office. 431 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, able to kind of you know, make, you know, 432 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 3: make some things happen. So it kind of took me 433 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 3: back man to Yeah, my first few years here, being 434 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 3: able to go out there and catch passes, man, run 435 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 3: around a little bit and FedEx. 436 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 2: Man. It was truly a blessing, man, It was truly excited. 437 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, I'm glad you broke it down like that 438 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 1: because I don't think a lot of people realize what 439 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: it takes for you to get to last Sunday, right, 440 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: Like you said, you practiced squad, So I mean we 441 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: were staying in the same hotel I will see right, 442 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 1: So like you know what I mean, we you in 443 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: a hotel practice squad. Like you said, you don't know 444 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: if you're gonna be here a week, two weeks, and 445 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: this is gonna work out And takes a lot of 446 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: mentality do it takes a lot of belief for yourself, 447 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: and it does work out. We get to Atlanta and 448 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: you get a sixty one yard return and that gets 449 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: you NFC Special Teams Player of the Week. You're starting 450 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: to get that recognition. And how cool was that to 451 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: get that moment right there where you break out like 452 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: that and and for a big moment. That was a 453 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: huge moment for this team, so we really really needed 454 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: How big was that moment for you? 455 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 3: And that was big man. You know, just even just 456 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 3: thinking about it now, man, it kind of gets me chill. 457 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 2: Man. I didn't know, you know, I got released, man, 458 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 2: I thought this. 459 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 3: You know, it could have been old with it's been 460 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 3: my last year, you know, my last opportunity with the 461 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 3: Johns or whatever. 462 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,239 Speaker 2: But you know, just for just come back here man. 463 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 3: Everything working out, man, and being able to go out there. 464 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 2: And have an explosive return. Uh. 465 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 3: You know, like I say, it was just it was 466 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 3: just a great a great feeling, man. And I'm just 467 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 3: very thankful for you know, and I'm continuing. I'm looking 468 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 3: to continue to you know, build on that. You know, 469 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 3: I'm just trying to you know, be the best player 470 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 3: can be hip out of organization. 471 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: Man. 472 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 3: But a lot you know, it was a lot unknown, man, Yeah, 473 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 3: for sure, go for me. So I'm just thankful man, 474 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 3: and blessed man it gets the opportunity again. And no 475 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 3: place I'd rather be than to be back here, you know, 476 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 3: getting his opportunity. 477 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: So thankful for and to take a chance on yourself 478 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: like that. Like you said, Man, you could have called 479 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: it quist right, you could have went a whole different direction. 480 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: What does that belief in yourself come from? 481 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 2: Uh? 482 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 3: I just think it just come from man, obviously, Man, 483 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 3: My faith, my mom and my dad. Man, they've always 484 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 3: been been huge on you know, you know, believing man 485 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 3: and trusted in the Lord. 486 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,920 Speaker 2: So you know that's that's that's the main thing. 487 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 3: And and it's crazy, man, when I got released from 488 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 3: the Giants, I drove my car away from New York 489 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 3: all the way down in North Carolina, and as I 490 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 3: was coming through DC, I was on four ninety five 491 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 3: and I was like, right there, passing by u X 492 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 3: sixteen Arena drug Yeah, and uh in my mind, I 493 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 3: was like, man, it'd be dope. 494 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 2: Man, Like, you know, get back right. It was just 495 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 2: a thought, man. 496 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 3: You know sometime man, you don't never know how the 497 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 3: Lord may bless you so and you know, just that thought, 498 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 3: just putting it out there in the atmosphere, just even 499 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 3: thinking it. And then like I say, man, right before 500 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 3: Man Week one, Man, I got a call to come 501 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 3: back here. So it's a little something that you know, 502 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 3: people don't know, but just a little something that I 503 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 3: thought about, right, and then it came to pass. So 504 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 3: I'm just truly blessed and thankful to be back. 505 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 1: And that belief in yourself, in that manifestation is a 506 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: real thing, right, because i'd even know about that. But 507 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: what I did know was that you went on Players 508 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: Club recently and they had asked you, like, yo, what 509 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: are you looking forward to, like almost like as a return, 510 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,719 Speaker 1: and you said, you know, man, that's cool, but I 511 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 1: want to get into the offense. Man, I want to 512 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: show what I could really do. Then not even a 513 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: week later, you do that. Man, seven catches a touchdown 514 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: in the last minute of a very close game against 515 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: one of the best defenses in the NFL. You called it, 516 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: You said it, Man, how cool was it to be 517 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: in that moment? Yes, we know we didn't get to win. However, 518 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: it was almost like, you know, everything you had worked 519 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: up for you finally got to that moment. How cool 520 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 1: was that to be able to be used in that 521 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: capacity in this offense? 522 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 2: You know? It was dope? Man, it was cool. 523 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 3: Say man, everything kind of you know, kind of came came, 524 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,400 Speaker 3: you know, kind of came to pass, and they all 525 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 3: came in a short amount of time. But I think, 526 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 3: you know, the main thing I've learned from just this 527 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 3: you know, situation or experience, man, is just being patient. Yeah, 528 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Just being patient, just staying 529 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 3: the course, know, just continuing to work. 530 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 2: And uh, you know, let and let things work out. 531 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 3: So you know, hopefully man, going forward, you know I 532 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 3: can I can get you know, a few more reps 533 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 3: in the offense because I'm still very confident in my 534 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 3: game and ability at receiver, man, you know, and I 535 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 3: was just waiting for my moment and I was like, 536 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 3: when I'm out there at the ball come my way, 537 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 3: I'm catching everything. 538 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 2: That was mentality. 539 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 3: So and like I say, man, everything worked out, like 540 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 3: you said, obviously we didn't win, But just from an 541 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 3: individual standpoint, man, I felt, you know, very very very 542 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 3: juice uff, very confident, and I think that, you know, 543 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 3: going forward, I can I can definitely be a spark 544 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 3: in the office as well. 545 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you talk about that confidence, A game like 546 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: that has to tell you like, oh, I'm still an 547 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 1: elite receiver. I can still do this. Does your confidence 548 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 1: ever waiver leading up to that point though? 549 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 2: Oh no, not this year, not this year. 550 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 3: I mean, like I said, I've even like I said, 551 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 3: Mikey going back to the Giant even though with the Giants, man, 552 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 3: like you know, I just think some of the business 553 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 3: side of things kind of got in the way because 554 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 3: even there, man, there's no reason why I shouldn't. 555 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 2: Have made the team. But I think, you know, everything 556 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 2: happens for a reason. 557 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 3: Now they're being and there's been times in and throughout 558 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 3: my career with my confidence, you know, kind of kind 559 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 3: of went down from an offensive standpoint, especially team standpoint. 560 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 3: But now, man, I'm just at a at a at 561 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 3: a stage of my career and a point of my 562 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 3: life where you know, mentally is confidence. Mentally, I'm just 563 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,479 Speaker 3: an ease. I'm not putting any press on myself. I 564 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 3: know it's a game. The game is slowed down for me. 565 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 3: I'm older, God, I'm veteran. I still can move, you 566 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So you know thing I gotta 567 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 3: do not go out there and just play and just 568 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 3: play my game and it make sure I kissed the ball. 569 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: Yes, sir. And this wide receiver room is very talented, 570 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: but it's also very very young. What advice do you 571 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: give to these young guys to keep this confidence and 572 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 1: to just stick it out? 573 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 2: Man? 574 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: Because these careers are very long. Man, there's a lot 575 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 1: that can happen. What advice you get to these young fellas? 576 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 3: We yell man, you know, wiseman, I give a man 577 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 3: just you know, take advantage opportunity now, you know, but 578 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 3: but don't put the pressure on it. I think a 579 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 3: few years when I was here, earlier in my career, 580 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 3: I was putting, you know, unneeded pressure on myself as 581 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 3: opposed to just going out there, you know, playing and 582 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,959 Speaker 3: learning the game, you know, asking it for what it was, 583 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 3: you know. And obviously, like I said, man, just take 584 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 3: advented opportunity. Don't let you know, anything pass you by. 585 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 3: But don't put that pressure on you. 586 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 2: Man. At the end of the day, it's it's still 587 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 2: a game, yeah, you know. 588 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 3: Now with social media and this and that, man, it's 589 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 3: a beautiful thing. But I think sometimes, you know, certain 590 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,719 Speaker 3: platforms and stuff like that can put, you know, pressure 591 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 3: on God to be there, you know, and I think 592 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 3: that we don't go out there on that field with 593 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 3: a clear mind and with a with a mind of 594 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 3: you know, confidence and stuff like that, they can hinder 595 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 3: you and it can hurt you. So that's that's that's 596 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 3: some of the advice I give to the God now. 597 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 3: Like I said, right now, I'm just at a good 598 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 3: spot mentally, man, and like some of this thingful to 599 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 3: beat back and confidence is high. 600 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm I'm good man. 601 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, we love that. 602 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 2: Man. 603 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 1: So for those that aren't familiar with your game and 604 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 1: don't really know who jameson Crowded is, man, that's your 605 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: ISOL camera right there. Look into the ISO camera and 606 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: tell the command is family. Who Jamison Crowded is, Yeah, man, 607 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: j crowd. 608 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 3: Man, you know, playmaker, you know, trying to do my 609 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 3: thing on punk. You know I've seen in the receiving game. 610 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 3: But you know, I'm just a hard worker. 611 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 2: Man. Got to come in and do my thing, do 612 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 2: you know, stay in my lane. 613 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 3: Uh you know, I'm laid back, but at the same time, 614 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 3: on that field, man, I got a little dog in me. 615 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 3: So uh yeah, you know, y'all know it. So you know, 616 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 3: I'm just glad to be back and very thankful. 617 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: Last question for you, brother, who is the best hooper 618 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: on the Washington Commanders? Who is the best wit? I'm 619 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: sure you're gonna talked about a little bit. I'm sure 620 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 1: you've seen a couple of guys who who's the best 621 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 1: hooper on the Washington commanded. 622 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, always got it. I'm gonna go 623 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 3: ahead and save myself. I'm gonna save myself. But it's 624 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 3: a couple of guys, say they got a little game, 625 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 3: and I haven't really been to, you know, see him 626 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 3: much because you know that stuff we're doing the awesome yeh. 627 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 2: But but yeah, I'm I'm. 628 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 3: Definitely I'm definitely the top one of the top three 629 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 3: four five. 630 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 2: I don't know who got a game like. 631 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: That, but I'm definitely putting myself up there for right. 632 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: Walko was guaranteed. Nobody went four to o against Kyrie. 633 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 1: I think we can say that pretty pretty faithfully that 634 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 1: nobody did that. Jameson, thank you so much for opening 635 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: up to us. Man, they so much to talk to 636 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: us about your family and about everything. I think the 637 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 1: advice you gave is something that we all can live by, 638 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: whether we play on the football field or not. Ladies 639 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: and gentlemen, this is Jameison Crowder. This is the Next 640 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: Man Up Podcast. Jamison, thank you so much for your time, brother, 641 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Man. Yes, sir, Commander's family love podcasts. 642 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: We have a lot more for you on the Commander's 643 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: Podcast Network. 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