1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:02,559 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 2: The body of a beautiful little girl just fourteen years old, 3 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 2: found dismembered off US sixty. That little girl identified as 4 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 2: missing Emily Pike. In the last hours, Chilling details emerge 5 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 2: as we learn the cod cause of death. A fourteen 6 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 2: year old girl is dead and dismembered. I want justice. 7 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to 8 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. A fourteen year old 9 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: little girl throne off the side of the highway like she's. 10 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 3: Trash or in five Indigenous women have experienced violence in 11 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 3: their lifetime. 12 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: Emily Pike found dismembered. How has this dragged on this long? 13 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: A fourteen year old girl murdered and dismembered, thrown on 14 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: the side of the road light. She's trussed. I'm not 15 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 2: having it to say that so much. 16 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 4: I really hope. 17 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 5: I'll try to see if you can convinit. 18 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 3: Me next time. 19 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 6: You have not recovered any kind of weapon. A cause 20 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 6: of death is still under investigation by the Emmy's office 21 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 6: as we're investigating those leads. None of those as of 22 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 6: yet have pointed us to a definite suspect or person 23 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 6: of interest with Emily of course, we believe that she 24 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 6: was killed somewhere else and then that is where she 25 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 6: was dropped off. 26 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: What do I need to do to put a fire 27 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 2: under their kale? That from our friends at CBS five 28 00:01:55,520 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 2: and we do as of tonight, no cause of death 29 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 2: on this little girl. Straight out to investigative reporter Susan 30 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 2: Hendrix joining us. Susan, what do we know about the 31 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 2: death and dismemberment of this little girl, Emily Pike. 32 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 5: It is devastating, to say the least. It's been more 33 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 5: than a year. Nancy just fourteen years old, her body dismembered, 34 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 5: found on the side of a road in construction like 35 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 5: garbage bags. And get this the way the family was notified. 36 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 5: It was allegedly accidentally leaked on Facebook by the Sheriff's 37 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 5: department and now they say they're working on it. There 38 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 5: is outrage. But does that mean the Sheriff's apartment is 39 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 5: doing anything? And if so, what. 40 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 2: Isn't it true? Susan Hendricks. I would like to see, 41 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 2: Susan that the arms and the hands of this little 42 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: girl have not been found. 43 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 5: It's just unthinkable they haven't been found, and there's little 44 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 5: confidence that they will be found. Because the Sheriff's office 45 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 5: isn't saying much and are they acting on much? Are 46 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 5: they looking at this as a cold case? Are they 47 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 5: just disregarding it. It's just my heart goes out to 48 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 5: the family, and you're right, Why. 49 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 2: Why Susan Hendrix? Is it because she is a native American? 50 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 2: Is that why? Joining me an all star panel? But 51 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 2: I'm going to go to a very special guest joining 52 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 2: us tonight. It's all Red Pike Junior. This is Emily's 53 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: paternal uncle. Mister Pike, Thank you for being with us. 54 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 2: Is it true that you learned information about emily just 55 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 2: fourteen years old murder through a unintentionally leaked post online. 56 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 7: Yes, that's how we found out. 57 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 2: What happened. 58 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 7: I got a call from my sister saying that there 59 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 7: was information through social media that our niece may have 60 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 7: passed away, and that was the steatest way to find out. 61 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 2: I want to go to John Buehler. You know him well. 62 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,400 Speaker 2: He was already famous within his ranks for being an 63 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 2: incredible detective and homicide but the world found out who 64 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:38,239 Speaker 2: John Buehler was during the Scott Peterson double murder trial. Buehler, 65 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 2: former detective of destopd Thirty one years in robery homicide. 66 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 2: You know what, John, I want to introduce you over 67 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 2: the airways to mister Allredpike Junior. This is Emily's paternal uncle. 68 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:57,840 Speaker 2: I can still remember like it was yesterday, the moment 69 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 2: I was told my fiancee was a It didn't dawn 70 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 2: on me. He could have been murdered, But I remember exactly. 71 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 2: Do you ever are you ever not shocked anymore? Are 72 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,679 Speaker 2: you to the point where you're like, eh, it happens 73 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 2: because I am not first of all, for this to 74 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 2: happen to this little girl and seemingly nobody cares her 75 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 2: arms and hands missing, and they find out the family 76 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 2: finds out through a laked post. Does that still burn 77 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 2: you up? Or are you just like completely numb at 78 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 2: this point, John, I'm not. 79 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 8: Numb to it. When you hear it, it strikes, But 80 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 8: it's when you see the photographs of this young girl 81 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 8: that it really becomes haunting. And then to see how 82 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 8: there was some goof up on the part there at 83 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 8: their office where they leaked that information, probably unintentionally, but 84 00:05:55,760 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 8: somebody did that, and you know you can't happened. 85 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 2: But Buehler, unintentional fine, unintentional an accident. What's worse, really, 86 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:14,040 Speaker 2: someone so incompetent that they have an accident accident like 87 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 2: that that like slices the soul of the family. They're 88 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 2: that incompetent, or well, that's definitely moted that they did 89 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 2: it on purpose for pizza. I don't know which is worse. Buehler. 90 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 8: Yeah, And it strikes for the family because it puts 91 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 8: them in a position where they're going to lose confidence 92 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 8: in the sheriff's office and whoever else is involved in 93 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 8: assisting in this investigation. It's it's a terrible way to 94 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 8: go about it. But other mistakes were made to the 95 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:44,359 Speaker 8: things that we can talk about. 96 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 2: I don't like the way you said that just warning 97 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 2: right now. Other mistakes we made you just like it 98 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,159 Speaker 2: shrilled off your tongue, mistakes, my rear end. This has 99 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 2: been months and months and months since Emily went missing 100 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 2: and was found murdered. Back to all read Pike Junior, 101 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 2: Emily's uncle, mister Pike, did you believe it at first 102 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 2: when you heard about this post, this online poster or 103 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 2: did you think it was just bs like it's a prank, 104 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 2: that's horrible prank. What did you think I. 105 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 7: Come from social media. I asked my sister, are you 106 00:07:22,400 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 7: sure it's curtains, because half the time most of the 107 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 7: stuff on social media are not true. But she told 108 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 7: me that it was pretty much verified. It was her ed. 109 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 2: I was confused. 110 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 7: Why did it come from social media and not from 111 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 7: law enforcement. 112 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 2: All this little girl, Emily Pipe wanted was to go 113 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: home to her mom, to her grandma and her little cat, Millie. 114 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 2: But she didn't get her wish. The apache teen girl 115 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 2: spent the last two years of her life in and 116 00:07:55,600 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: out of group homes. She hated it so much much 117 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 2: that at one point, this little girl, who wanted so 118 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 2: desperately to go home, tried to hang herself rather than 119 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: stay in a group home. Home was made up of 120 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 2: multiple people, an extended family. How in the world did 121 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 2: this little girl who had lived through so much already 122 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 2: end up debt on the side of the road. And 123 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 2: why do we have no leeds? Nothing straight out to 124 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 2: a name? You know? Well, doctor Kendall Crown's chief medical 125 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,840 Speaker 2: examiner Tarrant County. He is a star of hit podcast 126 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 2: and made him in the Morgue, which, by the way, 127 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 2: doctor Crowns, I love. I always learned something, and you 128 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 2: tell all of your medical findings in an anecdote, a story, 129 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 2: a true story that I can understand. He is the 130 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 2: esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU. 131 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 2: Doctor Kendall Crowns, what do you make the recent news 132 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 2: that we're just learning that the cood cause of death 133 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 2: on this little girl was homicidal violence bludgeoning. I mean, 134 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to go to shrink on this after you, 135 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 2: doctor Kendall Crowns, to bludgeon a little girl dead and 136 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 2: then dismember her and throw her on the side of 137 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 2: the road in a trash bag like she's trash. I mean, 138 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 2: what other indignity could be done to this child? And 139 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 2: no answers, no answers. I'm happy, let's see the mural. 140 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 2: I'm happy they put up a mural because it will 141 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 2: remind people that Emily Pike's case is not solved. I'm 142 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 2: happy that they care, but I want answers. This is 143 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 2: not just as doctor Crown's tell me your analysis of 144 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 2: the recently discovered cod cause of death. 145 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 9: So with the cause of death of homicidal violence with 146 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 9: blunt head trauma, it's saying that she's had her head smashed, 147 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 9: possibly skull fractures, beaten us, etc. About the head. But 148 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 9: the homicidal violence part is because of the dismemberment and 149 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 9: the fact that they don't have the complete body. They 150 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 9: can't rule out other forms of violence like sharp force violence, 151 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 9: even gunshot injury because without the with an incomplete body, 152 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 9: you don't have all the answers. But they know that 153 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 9: she was murdered and there is a blunt force component 154 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 9: to it. But they're adding on the homicidal violent because 155 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 9: of the dismemberment, because of the incomplete body. Who knows 156 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 9: what else could have been done. There could be cut 157 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 9: marks all over the arms, the hands could have been 158 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 9: chopped off purposely before she was dead. She could have 159 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 9: been shot in the arms, who knows. So that's why 160 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 9: you've got this kind of vague homicidal violence with the 161 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 9: blunt heead trauma. 162 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 2: Okay, hold on just a moment. I need to analyze 163 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 2: what you just said, doctor Kendall Crowns. Since this child 164 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 2: and to mister Pike, I'm sorry to discuss the facts 165 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 2: so bluntly, but this is the nature of homicide investigation, 166 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 2: doctor Kendall Crowns. The body's been dismembered, So how do 167 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,839 Speaker 2: we know homicidal violence? Is it based on her upper 168 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 2: torso and head? Well, how do we know homicidal violence? 169 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 2: How did the medical examiner come up with that? You've 170 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 2: done it many times? How'd you do it? 171 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 9: So homicidal violence is basically they're saying they're unsure of 172 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 9: what else could have been inflicted, but they know that 173 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 9: it's violence done intentionally to the individual. The fact that 174 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 9: she's been dismembered and you don't have all the body parts, 175 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 9: they can't rule out something else having happened to the 176 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 9: body as well. Like I said, there could be gunshot wounds, 177 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 9: that could be stab wounds of the arms that they 178 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 9: haven't been able to determine yet because they don't have 179 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 9: those findings. When a body is dismembered, if the individual 180 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 9: is still alive, you will see changes in the skin 181 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 9: and the muscle with hemorrhages that you can note, and 182 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 9: then you know they were dismembered while alive. If they're 183 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 9: dismembered after death, the actual dismembered body parts have kind 184 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 9: of a dried can look to the areas of dismemberment, 185 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 9: so you can get an idea of whether the injuries 186 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 9: happened with living or with death. But again, homicidal violence 187 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 9: is kind of a catch all term when they're unsure 188 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 9: of what else may have been inflicted. 189 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 2: I want to go back to mister Allredpike Junior. This 190 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 2: is Emily's uncle. Her death and dismemberment to me is 191 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 2: horrific enough, mister Pike. But isn't it true that while 192 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 2: living at home she was sex assault by a male relative. 193 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 2: I mean, she's only fourteen at the time of her death, 194 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 2: so I don't know her age when that happened to her, 195 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 2: That sex violence on a little girl, and as a 196 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 2: result of that, she was taken out of the home 197 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 2: while the alleged assaulter got to stay home. Did that happen? 198 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 7: Those were the allegations. That's why she was removed from 199 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 7: the home, and just the system was backwards. You know, 200 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 7: she was the victim, but yet she was removed from 201 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 7: the home and she never came home. She was out 202 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 7: there for over two years. 203 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 2: Two years because a lot of people think Susan Hendricks guys, 204 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 2: let me properly introduce my colleague from way back at 205 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 2: CNN's HLM. Susan Hendrix's joining us investigative journalist. She is 206 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 2: also the author of a hit book, Down the Hill, 207 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 2: My Descent into the Double Murder in Delphi. And that's 208 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 2: referring to the murders of two other little girls that 209 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 2: would be Abby and Libby in Delphi, Remember the little 210 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 2: girls taking off the trestle bridge and murdered by Richard Allen, 211 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 2: the local pharmacy tech. Right that, Susan Hendrix. Let me 212 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 2: understand what I'm hearing, because when I look at my 213 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 2: little girl or my little boy John, David and Lucy, 214 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 2: sometimes they're just so precious to me, I just want 215 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 2: to cry. Just to look at them breaks my heart. 216 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 2: This little girl, let's see, at at least twelve, if 217 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 2: not younger, her sex assaulted by a male relative on 218 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 2: the Apache reservation. Nothing happened to the Purp, so the 219 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 2: Purp still living near the home compound, and she gets 220 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 2: removed from the home and put in a group home, 221 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 2: which she hates. She wants to go home to her mother, 222 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 2: her grandmother her a little bit of kitty cat, but no. 223 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 2: A lot of people think Emily Pike was somehow disobedient, 224 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 2: was a juvenile delinquent, not that that would matter because 225 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 2: she was murdered, but that is not what happened. She 226 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 2: was sex assaulted. I don't know the details because they're very, 227 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 2: very deep within the reservation archives. But I do know 228 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 2: she was sex assaulted, and she somehow is the one 229 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 2: that gets punished. Isn't that true? 230 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 5: It is backwards. What her uncle said in my heart 231 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 5: goes out to you already, and he could speak to this. 232 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 5: She's very close to her cousins. They call themselves the trio. 233 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 5: She loves Sparkles. She was a young girl, just fourteen 234 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 5: years old, wanted to be there with her mom, and 235 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 5: she gets in trouble, she gets thrown out of the house. 236 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 5: She was a loving fourteen teen year old and wanted 237 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 5: to be there. There's bodycam footage Nancy that I watched 238 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 5: yesterday where she says, I don't want to go back. 239 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 5: I want my mom, and my heart broke for that 240 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 5: for her. 241 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 2: You are seeing bodycam footage right now, and I want 242 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 2: you to hear it. Remember this is all because she 243 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 2: was sex assaulted. 244 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 9: Listen, Emily, stop, come with me. 245 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 10: Okay, No, I don't want to go. I know, let's talk. Okay, 246 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 10: it's okay, Hey, Hey, it's okay. You're not okay. Hey, hey, hey, 247 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 10: I can't let you go. 248 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 6: Okay, come here. 249 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 10: Well, we'll call your mom. Okay, it's okay, it's okay. 250 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 10: Come on, I will call your mom for you. 251 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 2: Okay, it's okay. 252 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 10: Hey, hey, Emily, listen, I'm here to help you. 253 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 8: Okay, Well you got Well that's not going to help 254 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 8: them either. 255 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 11: If you're gonna act like a child, we're gonna put 256 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 11: your knad covers. 257 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 10: I really don't want to put your handcuffs some lady. 258 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 2: Okay, you she is a child? What is wrong with 259 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 2: these people? 260 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 8: John Buehler, Well, you're run into these situations with people, 261 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 8: and not everybody's trained well enough, and they don't always 262 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 8: have the patience to deal with them properly. But the 263 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 8: system definitely failed this this little girl. Just I echo 264 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 8: what you said about how she was removed from the house. 265 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 8: If all, why should she be removed. It seemed like 266 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 8: the offender should have been taken out of there purely 267 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 8: a victim, multiple times, ignored, tossed aside, and just not 268 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 8: given what she needed to have a good life at 269 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 8: a disposable young children. It breaks your heart every single time, 270 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 8: and there's just so many of them. This one's a 271 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 8: highlight because so pretty and she's so young. But there's 272 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 8: so many more like that, and those are the things 273 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 8: that haunt you even after you retire in this job. 274 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 2: Average, over five thousand, five thousand Native American women go 275 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 2: missing in the US, and nobody seems to care. Now 276 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 2: joining me in addition to mister Pike, all Read Pike 277 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 2: Junior speaking out on behalf of his niece, Emily Mary 278 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 2: Kim Tittler. She is the executive director of Unity, which 279 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 2: is United National Indian Tribal Youth, Inc. Mary Kim, I 280 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 2: really don't know how you do it. I don't know 281 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 2: how I do it. I don't know how I did 282 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 2: it for over a decade, every single day seeing the worst, 283 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 2: I managed to get through and still get through because 284 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 2: I care about the victims and feel this is all 285 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 2: we can do for them at this juncture. What do 286 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 2: you make of what has happened to Emily Pike and 287 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 2: still no answers. It's just been one debacle after the next. 288 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 3: It's heart wrenching to watch the videos, to see the photos, 289 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 3: to be reminded of what happened to this precious little girl. 290 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 3: She has become everyone's daughter, granddaughter, niece, and in Indian country, 291 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 3: I represent a segment of the population that is you know, 292 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 3: the horrible statistics involve Native women and girls who go 293 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 3: missing every year and are found murdered. We have so 294 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 3: many that are still missing. So justice has not been 295 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 3: served in this case. We have to work together. We 296 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 3: are searching for answers. There has been more awareness. We 297 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 3: have the Turquoise Alert, so there have been some positive 298 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 3: steps that have happened, but we have a lot of 299 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 3: work to do to prevent this from happening again. My 300 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 3: heart breaks and continues to break every time I go 301 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 3: home because I pass the billboards that are publicizing the reward. 302 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 3: There's reminders with the mural that you saw. She is 303 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 3: never far from our minds. I'm a mother, I'm a grandmother. 304 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 3: I fear for the fact that the murderer or murderers 305 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 3: are still on the loose. We want justice and we 306 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 3: have to work together to make that happen. 307 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 308 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 2: Emily kept running away from one group home after the next, 309 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 2: trying to get back to her own family. The last time, 310 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 2: Emily didn't make it. After running away from the group home, 311 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 2: her body not even a body remained she was dismembered, 312 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 2: were found Valentine's Day, stuffed in two trash bags and 313 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 2: thrown onto a patch of dirt on a Lonely Lonely 314 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 2: Desert highway in the Tonto National Forest, five miles from 315 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 2: the boundary line of the reservation. 316 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 10: Emily stop, come with me. 317 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 2: Okay, no, I. 318 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 10: Know, let's talk. Okay, it's okay. Hey, hey, it's okay. 319 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 10: You're not okay. Hey, hey, hey, I can't let you go. Okay, 320 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 10: come on, well, we'll call your mom. Okay, it's okay, 321 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,959 Speaker 10: it's okay. Come on, I'll call your mom for you. 322 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 2: Okay, it's okay. 323 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 10: Hey, hey, Emily, listen, I'm here to help you. 324 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 1: Okay, Well you got us. 325 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,719 Speaker 6: Well that's not going to help them either. Oh, if 326 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 6: you're going to act like. 327 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 11: A child, we're gonna put your in the handcuffs. 328 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 6: I really don't want to put your a handcuffs, young lady. 329 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 2: Okay, we still haven't found her arms or hands. 330 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 5: Now we've got some body parts in a bed. How 331 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 5: come her mother wasn't told about this for one month? 332 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 2: What is going on here? 333 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 7: It's hard to hear the exactly what happened. 334 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 2: To her Emily Pike is fourteen years old at the 335 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 2: time of her death, had been sex assaulted on the 336 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 2: Indian reservation. After that, she is removed from the family 337 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 2: home her stayed there, and she's put in one group home. 338 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 2: After the next of course, she runs away trying to 339 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 2: get back to mom. You saw the video of her 340 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 2: begging and crying. Then she was put in handcuffs. Now 341 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 2: we have an official cod cause of death homicidal blunt trauma. 342 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 2: Her arms and hands have not been recovered. Back to 343 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 2: all read Pike Junior. This is Emily's paternal uncle, mister Pike. Again, 344 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 2: thank you for being with us tonight. Mister Pike. Does 345 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 2: the mother and or the grandmother know the cause of 346 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 2: death on Emily? Have they been told? 347 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 6: Yes? 348 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 7: Uh, they know the cause of death. 349 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 2: You know, just can't. 350 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 7: There's no words to describe how they're feeling. 351 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,719 Speaker 2: I'd like you to try. 352 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 7: I know it shattered them to know how she had 353 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 7: passed away and what was done to her. I mean 354 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 7: even I was in shock. And you're right, the part 355 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 7: of her body parts have not been found, and it 356 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 7: hurts to know that the people who did this are 357 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 7: haven't been caught. 358 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 2: In the last hours the County Medical Examiner's Office releases 359 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 2: cause of death on Little Emily found dismembered in the 360 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 2: woods after being reported missing from her group home in Mesa. 361 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,959 Speaker 2: She was found dead on Valentine's Day in the woods 362 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 2: north of Globe. The full report yet to be released, 363 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 2: but we do know blunt force trauma and homicidal violence. 364 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 2: No arrests, no arrests all read Pike Junior. I'm curious. 365 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 2: Did the mom and the grandma try to get her 366 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 2: out of the group home and put the sex assaulter 367 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 2: behind bars? What happened with that? Why was she the 368 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 2: one taken away from the home. 369 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 7: That I'm not sure of. I believe my sisters had 370 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:22,199 Speaker 7: tried to take her in, but there were issues that 371 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 7: just they couldn't navigate through the get her to stay 372 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 7: with them up in Utah or Denver too. 373 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 2: Mary Kim Tittler joining us. She is the executive director 374 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 2: of Unity United National Indian Tribal Youth. I don't understand. Again, 375 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 2: and at this point, this is a side issue, because 376 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 2: the real issue is who murdered Emily Pike. But I 377 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 2: don't understand why the assaulter was allowed to stay at 378 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 2: the family compound. And Emily was the one forced out, 379 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 2: and then the system was so difficult to navigate Mom 380 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 2: couldn't get her back. 381 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 3: It doesn't make sense. And what I would like to 382 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 3: address is something that was mentioned earlier, and that's confidence 383 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 3: in law enforcement. 384 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 2: It's shot. 385 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 3: There is a lack of trust among Native Americans when 386 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,479 Speaker 3: it comes to law enforcement, and rightly so, because there 387 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 3: are so many unsolved cases the handling of crimes involving 388 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 3: Native Americans. It's a sad reality. There have been so 389 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 3: many unsolved cases and the fact that she was removed 390 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:33,479 Speaker 3: from the home, it doesn't make sense one bit. It 391 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 3: makes so many of us in the community very angry 392 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 3: the way this was handled. On so many levels. We 393 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 3: have to have accountability. We have to make sure that 394 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:51,440 Speaker 3: there's oversight, and it does mean people working together. There 395 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 3: is now a task force on the reservation. There is 396 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 3: now a community group raising funds to put up these 397 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 3: boards to raise awareness. I'm glad that people are working together, 398 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 3: but more must be done to prevent these things from happening. 399 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 3: We have to know what it's going to take to 400 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 3: keep our children safe, whether they're on the reservation or 401 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 3: taken away. So we have to work together to make 402 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 3: sure that this never happens again. 403 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 2: Well, I have one suggestion, and that would be to 404 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 2: allow local law enforcement and the FEDS onto the reservation 405 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 2: to help find missing people and solve unsolved homicides. Five 406 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 2: thousand Native American women missing a year is unacceptable. But 407 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 2: isn't it true, Mary him that on Indian reservations, local 408 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 2: law enforcement and the FEDS neither one had any jurisdiction. 409 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 2: They cannot come in and investigate a case. Isn't that true? 410 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 3: There are jurisdictional issues and that must be addressed. You're 411 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 3: absolutely right. There are limitations, and it does seem to 412 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 3: take so much time to get these cases solved. There's 413 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 3: not enough resources. We know that we must work together 414 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 3: and lift these limitations so that we can solve these crimes. 415 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 3: It is unacceptable that there are so many unsolved crimes, 416 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 3: and we don't want this to become a cold case. 417 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 3: We are fighting very hard to make sure that Emily 418 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 3: Pike's name and case stays in the forefront. But every 419 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 3: day that slips away, it seems to get further and 420 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 3: further away, and we don't want that to happen. So 421 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 3: we have to keep raising our voices and making sure 422 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 3: that law enforcement knows that this is, you know, of 423 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 3: high importance. We can't let this become a cold case. 424 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 2: To doctor John Delatory, joining us renowned psychologist mediator specializing 425 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 2: in forensic psychology at resolution FCS dot com. Doctor Delatory, 426 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. It's very difficult for 427 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 2: me to sit by and hear this because I feel 428 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 2: there's nothing we can do. And I'm going to get 429 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 2: Buehler to comment on this because local law enforcement not 430 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:47,680 Speaker 2: allowed on Native American reservations. FEDS no jurisdiction at all. 431 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 2: So what can we do? Not a D, A M 432 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 2: and thing. Nothing. And we're seeing this unfollowed in the 433 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 2: Nancy Guthrie case, right. We see the FEDS and I 434 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 2: experienced it. I was a FED for three years before 435 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 2: I became a felony prosecutor in inner City Atlanta. I 436 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,479 Speaker 2: know the FEDS have all of the resources, they have 437 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 2: all of the technology that local law enforcement does not have. 438 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 2: So this is an injustice to Emily Pike and it 439 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 2: just burns me up to hear her case is unsolved 440 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 2: and just the whole package is a hot stinking mess. 441 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 2: The way she was taken out of the home when 442 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 2: she is a sex assault victim, the Purple allowed to stay, 443 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 2: probably never brought to justice. And now this the way 444 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 2: she was treated, handcuffed, a little girl, handcuffed like that. 445 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 2: I mean, let me just throw it at you, Dilatory. 446 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 2: I don't even know where to start. 447 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 11: Well, let's start with that Plea bodycam that we saw, 448 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 11: so we know that she was sexually assaulted. Now, maybe 449 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 11: the police didn't know, but it is absolutely awful the 450 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 11: way that they man handle her. 451 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 2: Hold on Delatory. That's why she got removed. She got removed. 452 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 2: They did know. 453 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 11: They don't know that she was removed, right. Responding officers 454 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 11: don't know when they're interacting with her what actually has 455 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 11: happened to her. But it is already awful that they're 456 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 11: man handling her the way that they are. I mean, 457 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 11: look at her, she is trying to fight them off, 458 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 11: and so that already tells me something about how she 459 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 11: is going to be interacting with adult men. She's fighting 460 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 11: them off as best as she can, but they're still 461 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 11: overpowering her. So we can absolutely start there. We can 462 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 11: also start with well, what can we do well? As citizens, 463 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 11: we can put pressure on all of these organizations, including 464 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 11: the reservation, including the tribe. We can put pressure on 465 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 11: having them actually solve this case and the thousands of 466 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 11: other cases that have gone unsolved. We can absolutely put 467 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 11: pressure on them to take a look at members within 468 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 11: the tribe. Most likely they're probably being protected by the tribe, 469 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 11: and they're probably the perpetrator of this offense is probably 470 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 11: there on the reservation, which is probably why her hands 471 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 11: are missing, because it contains the DNA of whoever assaultedtor. 472 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 11: Emily is just one, I mean, this is the one 473 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 11: we're talking about, but there's so many other women. There 474 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 11: are so many other victims that deserve to have their 475 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 11: cases solved, and they're just not and so we as 476 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 11: citizens have to do it for them. 477 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 2: Doctor Delatorre, you just taught me off the ledge here 478 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 2: because everything you said is correct, and to throw your 479 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 2: hands up in exasperation and frustration, that's not the answer 480 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 2: that will get me and Emily nowhere. Fast back to 481 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 2: John Buehler, former Detective Modesto PD. Right now, we are 482 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 2: trying to help solve the Emily Pie murder, and I 483 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 2: don't want to spend the rest of our few moments 484 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 2: together our group tonight rehashing what went wrong but what 485 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 2: do you make I mean, is there any hope? What 486 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 2: do we do now? The case is a year old, 487 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 2: a year and a month old. We've got a task 488 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 2: force formed between the local and the tribe, and I 489 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 2: believe the FBI is in on it, but I don't 490 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 2: see really any advancement. They claim there may be a 491 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 2: POI maybe at this juncture. I know you've worked on 492 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 2: plenty of cold cases, as have I, and it is 493 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 2: not easy to resurrect a cold case. It's hard. What 494 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 2: do you advise right now? 495 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 8: Bueler, Well, there's a couple of things that could be 496 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,479 Speaker 8: done in the future. And number one, you have to 497 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 8: allow detectives to specialize in violent crimes so that they 498 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 8: gain experience. They gain training not just in the classroom, 499 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 8: but being mentored by senior detectives that show them how 500 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 8: to work the case. They should be allowed to gain 501 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 8: that experience, and there's where your success rate comes when 502 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,320 Speaker 8: you're working a case like that. There were many cases 503 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 8: I never would have solved if I wouldn't have been 504 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 8: trained by the guy who trained me. And then over 505 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 8: and above that, the one thing that strikes me that 506 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 8: we're not talking about too much is the guy who 507 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 8: did this probably has done it before. Now maybe he 508 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 8: hasn't murdered before, but he's probably a violent offender. He's 509 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 8: went through the court system many times and they've just 510 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 8: passed them along when there's no accountability for the people 511 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 8: that are making decisions about punishment. And I'm speaking specifically 512 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 8: of judges. They have all the time in the world 513 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 8: to make a decision on what they do, but violent 514 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 8: offenders need to be kept behind bars because they can't 515 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 8: function in society and then you don't have victims like 516 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,320 Speaker 8: Emily in the future. But soft punishment is very violent 517 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 8: to the victim twice when they were victimized, and then 518 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,359 Speaker 8: afterwards for their family. Those are things that just kind 519 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:05,879 Speaker 8: of pop into my head on the spur of the moment. 520 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:08,840 Speaker 5: A week. 521 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 4: Masa police report Emily Pike as missing to the National 522 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 4: Crime Information Centered the evening of January twenty seventh, the 523 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 4: same day police got word of her disappearance. Her mother 524 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 4: is not even informed of Emily leaving the group home 525 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 4: until her fourteen year old daughter has been missing for 526 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 4: a full week. Police say it is up to the 527 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 4: group home to contact her case manager, who would then 528 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 4: have contacted Pike's family or tribe. 529 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 10: There are. 530 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: Crimes tours with Nancy Grace. 531 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,840 Speaker 4: In a shocking turn of events, information about the remains 532 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 4: of Emily Pike is leaked on Facebook, revealing gruesome details 533 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 4: that were not intended for the public. The HeLa County 534 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 4: Sheriff's Office posts information that detectives found the head and 535 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 4: torso in large contractor trash bags, and the legs were 536 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 4: found in separate bags. Detectives searched the area but failed 537 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 4: to find the arms and hands. 538 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 12: The teen had visible face and head trauma. No identifying clothing, jewelry, 539 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 12: or identification is found with the remains. The cause of 540 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 12: death is still undetermined. Deputies say there's no indication that 541 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 12: there is an active threat to the community. 542 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 2: Straight out to Susan Hendrix joining US investigative journalists, Susan, 543 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 2: isn't it true that Well, it's kind of obvious. 544 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 9: But. 545 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 2: Emily was murdered at a primary crime scene. Where her 546 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 2: remains were found is at least a secondary, if not 547 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 2: tertiary crime scene. Isn't that true? Yeah, that is true. 548 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 5: She was thrown out like trash, basically in the middle 549 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 5: of nowhere. I think it's about an hour outside of Mesa. Arizona. 550 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 5: And as we were just listening to that report, what 551 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 5: do you mean that people aren't in immediate danger? They 552 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 5: are in immediate danger. And these loopholes and the lack 553 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 5: of unication someone a lot of criminals, multiple people are 554 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 5: benefiting from this. How do we know this guy's not 555 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 5: a serial killer and he's still out there? And like 556 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 5: you said, Nancy, outrage does an equal justice and it 557 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 5: just makes you think, what can we do? 558 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 2: What can law enforcement do analyze this case? For starters 559 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 2: to doctor Gendaal Crowns, when a person, a human is dismembered, 560 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 2: it's almost impossible to get rid of any trace evidence explain. 561 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 9: When you're dismembering a body, depending especially on how you 562 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 9: dismember it, the sawing or cutting with implements, it's going 563 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 9: to cause blood, bodily fluids, tissue to get everywhere. It's 564 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,320 Speaker 9: going to get on your clothing, on the furniture, it'll 565 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 9: get on the floor, and then of course when you 566 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 9: place it in trash bags, the trash bags aren't completely sealed, 567 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 9: it'll leak out in the car or whatever vehicle you 568 00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 9: use to transport the bodies in or body anything that 569 00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 9: was involved in the portion of the case where there's 570 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 9: dismemberment is going to have DNA evidence on it. No 571 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 9: matter how good they clean it up, it'll still be 572 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 9: able to be found. 573 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 2: If that evidence is still there this much time later. 574 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,799 Speaker 2: But as you just pointed out, it's really hard to 575 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 2: clean away trace evidence from a dismemberment. There can be 576 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 2: blood in every nook and cranny, every tiny hole in 577 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:34,400 Speaker 2: the floor, especially when you have it well, carpet, hardwood, linoleum, 578 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,400 Speaker 2: you name it. It's really hard to get every spec 579 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 2: of blood out. But we've got to find that location. 580 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:47,759 Speaker 2: According to reports tonight, there may be one person of 581 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 2: interest on the radar. It's speculative at this juncture, but 582 00:38:53,760 --> 00:39:00,399 Speaker 2: according to one law enforcement official, Emily may have been 583 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:08,760 Speaker 2: kidnapped by an older man based in the area of Globe, Arizona, 584 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 2: someone they think she trusted. That's all we know now 585 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 2: after this many months. That's all we've got back to 586 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,360 Speaker 2: all Redpike Junior. This is Emily's paternal uncle. What if anything, 587 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 2: as law enforcement telling you or Emily's mom. 588 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 7: On the dad side of the family, we don't really 589 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,360 Speaker 7: hear nothing from law enforcement from the beginning to now. 590 00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 7: There's no real updates regarding my niece's case. 591 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 2: John Pueler, former detective madestopd How can that be that 592 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:54,760 Speaker 2: the family is told nothing. I know this but they don't. 593 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,000 Speaker 2: How can that be, John, Well. 594 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,520 Speaker 8: To me, it shows a lack of experience, because generally 595 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 8: you're going to have one detective that's going to make 596 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 8: constant contact with the family and give them updates, and 597 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 8: then that person in the family will broadcast that information 598 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,440 Speaker 8: to other family members. You can't talk to everybody, but 599 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 8: there should be one point of contact that they do. 600 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:18,239 Speaker 8: Suggests a lack of experience on their part. To me, 601 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:19,920 Speaker 8: I don't know for sure because I'm not there, but 602 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,880 Speaker 8: that's kind of what it looks like here from the seat. 603 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 2: We also learn that another teen goes missing from the 604 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 2: same group home. 605 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,839 Speaker 4: During the investigation of Emily Pike's disappearance from a group 606 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 4: home in Mesa, Arizona, it is revealed that another teen 607 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 4: has been missing from the same group home since May 608 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 4: of last year. Masa PD says the group home notified 609 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,160 Speaker 4: them when seventeen year old Veronica Cruz went missing from 610 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,799 Speaker 4: the home on May eighteen, twenty twenty four, and has 611 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,600 Speaker 4: been missing ever since. They don't know who she's with 612 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,960 Speaker 4: or where she is, and points out that cruise will 613 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 4: be eighteen next month. Masa PD says that's not good 614 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,360 Speaker 4: enough because she is under eighteen. They need to physically 615 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,920 Speaker 4: verify that cruise is safe and under the care of 616 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 4: a guardian before changing her status. 617 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 2: Straight back out to John Buehler, John, I'm just trying 618 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:17,279 Speaker 2: to advance the case, advance the investigation. Finger pointing and 619 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 2: recriminations will not advance the investigation. We do know that 620 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:29,120 Speaker 2: there is a two hundred thousand dollar reward two hundred 621 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,719 Speaker 2: thousand dollars on the table for information leading to the 622 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:41,240 Speaker 2: whereabouts of the perp who murdered and dismembered this little girl. 623 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 2: I mean, John Buehler, shouldn't that jog somebody's memory for 624 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,280 Speaker 2: Pete's sake? That's nearly a quarter million dollars. 625 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 8: Well, you think it would, Especially if two people were involved, 626 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,880 Speaker 8: one's going to probably turn on the other for that 627 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,040 Speaker 8: amount of money. Also, if you've got family members or 628 00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,400 Speaker 8: friends of the perpetrator, if they see he's missing, or 629 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 8: if maybe he tests unaccounted for time, or something's going 630 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,320 Speaker 8: on with his life that they think is strange and 631 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:08,960 Speaker 8: might be linked to this, those are the people that 632 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,799 Speaker 8: need to call in and give the locals help on 633 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,120 Speaker 8: this thing, because they can't do it alone. There's only 634 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,319 Speaker 8: so much that physical evidence can do for you. There's 635 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 8: only so much that circumstantial evidence can do for you. 636 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 8: In a case like this, they do need some help 637 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 8: from somebody. 638 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:21,359 Speaker 6: Now. 639 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,879 Speaker 8: They also may have more information than they're letting out, 640 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,360 Speaker 8: and they're keeping that close to the vest, and I 641 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,719 Speaker 8: get that, and that's definitely something that they want to do. 642 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,520 Speaker 8: But the mere fact that the trash bag information was released, 643 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,560 Speaker 8: and where the body was and the condition was in 644 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,319 Speaker 8: those are not good things to release because those are 645 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,399 Speaker 8: things that you want to keep close in the investigation 646 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,840 Speaker 8: to verify information when you're interviewing a suspect. 647 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,319 Speaker 2: John Bueller, I only pray that you are right that 648 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 2: the local authorities know more than they are letting on. 649 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about the 650 00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:01,759 Speaker 2: disappearance of little Emily Pike, please call the local sheriffs 651 00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:07,600 Speaker 2: nine two eight two hundred two three five two repeat 652 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 2: nine two eight two hundred two three five two or 653 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:17,800 Speaker 2: five zero five nine one seven seven eight three zero 654 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:22,720 Speaker 2: five zero five nine one seven seven eight three zero. 655 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:30,359 Speaker 2: There's a nearly quarter million dollar reward for information regarding 656 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:37,319 Speaker 2: Emily Pike's killer. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,