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Speaker 2: for my next guest, and I'm going to introduce Wiley McGraw.

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Speaker 2: And I believe you're forty five years old, right, I

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Speaker 2: am welcome to the show, Wiley.

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Speaker 3: Thanks, Rod, appreciate you having me brother.

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Speaker 2: Yes, now, now what did I bring you on the

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Speaker 2: show for? Because I'm forty seven, you're forty five, and

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Speaker 2: here you are deciding to re enlist, maybe not just

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Speaker 4: Is that right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that'll be my third time. Okay, Now, now let's

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Speaker 2: let's drop that hat right there, and I'm gonna read

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Speaker 2: Wiley's bio that I was sent over, so let's go

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Speaker 2: through that real quick. At forty five, Wiley McGraw is

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Speaker 2: the oldest combat veteran in decades to re enlist for

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Speaker 2: active duty. But for him, this isn't just about helping

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Speaker 2: to fix a broken military. A devout Catholic, he felt

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Speaker 2: a spiritual calling to serve again, believing God and patriotism

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Speaker 2: left him no choice. After a sixteen year career advising

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Speaker 2: and billionaires, Wiley answered the call of duty once again,

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Speaker 4: Can I say that?

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Speaker 2: So despite a ruptured ACL, he regrew without surgery and

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Speaker 2: twenty one years out of uniform, He's gearing up for

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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm reading a movie narrative, like coming

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Speaker 2: He believes the military is at its weakest point in

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Speaker 2: Wiley's mission restore core values, mentor future ready soldiers, and

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Speaker 2: course correct. Having helped over one hundred combat that's rebuild

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Speaker 2: overcome personal battles. He believes much of today's culture decline

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Speaker 2: for those who believe masculinity, strength, and discomfort matter. Wiley

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: You've been featured on NBC, MPR, Forbes, the James Alt Show,

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Speaker 2: Clearedhot softwap, dot Com. Now Wiley is in demand voice

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Speaker 2: so with mental health, peak performance, and national security, and

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: That's good to be here. I'm looking forward to this conversation. Rad.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I feel like I'm also a.

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Speaker 2: Force in our pop culture warw forces together, all right,

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Speaker 2: and we both are bearded. Let's call that out right now,

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Speaker 2: we both got there. You're just gonna be gone soon though.

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Speaker 2: you have gone to combat three different times, you have enlisted,

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Speaker 3: canopy until you land safely. You're not out of the

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00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:27,680
Speaker 3: skydive until you're walking back with your buddies laughing about

436
00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:28,880
Speaker 3: what you guys just did in the sky.

437
00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:30,280
Speaker 4: And I think people.

438
00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,240
Speaker 3: From the military side of things all the way even

439
00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:34,160
Speaker 3: to the civilian side of things, some people get distractive

440
00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,760
Speaker 3: or they forget that crucial element is like you have

441
00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,199
Speaker 3: to maintain that that standard, that discipline so that you

442
00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,399
Speaker 3: can walk away from these things because and in the

443
00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,800
Speaker 3: military community, I mean, jumping is not is dangerous, it's

444
00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,520
Speaker 3: much more dangerous than skydiving. So I think people I've

445
00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,360
Speaker 3: heard stories my brother was a Ranger of Regiment guys

446
00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,480
Speaker 3: and are making mistakes coming out of these aircraft at

447
00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,280
Speaker 3: eight hundred feet doing these like mock combat jumps, and

448
00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,520
Speaker 3: it's like in ranger regiment and they're getting hurt landing

449
00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,959
Speaker 3: on the rucksack, breaking their legs and pelvises because they

450
00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,639
Speaker 3: lose that focus. They don't maintain the feet knees together,

451
00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,520
Speaker 3: they don't really remember their PLF properly. They just basically.

452
00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,240
Speaker 2: Bullet It's so true because you know, Wiley, my dad's

453
00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,119
Speaker 2: unit was dropped on a night drop out of training

454
00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,879
Speaker 2: out here at Camp Williams. They were doing combat jumps

455
00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:17,720
Speaker 2: and I think they were slotted for like seven hundred

456
00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,000
Speaker 2: or six hundred and seven hundred feet and what happened

457
00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,560
Speaker 2: was they were on course to see when thirty was cruising,

458
00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,840
Speaker 2: and they got the go from the jump master of

459
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:28,880
Speaker 2: the guys, you know, are you hearing me still?

460
00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:29,760
Speaker 4: You still got me? Right?

461
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,040
Speaker 3: I got you, but I mean it's coming in and out.

462
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:33,640
Speaker 3: Just be to be honest with you. But that's fine,

463
00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,000
Speaker 3: I can I can roll with you, okay.

464
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:35,240
Speaker 4: Cool.

465
00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,119
Speaker 2: And they dropped him on the side of a mountain

466
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:42,600
Speaker 2: at night, so the altitude was there, but the distance wasn't,

467
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,879
Speaker 2: and so the guy scattered down, broken femurs, broken feet,

468
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:49,359
Speaker 2: Pelvis's my dad got a head injury. That pretty much

469
00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,520
Speaker 2: outed him out of the military, all his whole unit.

470
00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:56,639
Speaker 2: That sucks, the whole eighteen bro Oh jeez, in a

471
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:57,919
Speaker 2: training mission.

472
00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,320
Speaker 3: You got to take out on an entire operational ashman.

473
00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 3: It's not the right thing to do. Especially when it

474
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:03,680
Speaker 3: comes to training. That's still wrong.

475
00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,440
Speaker 2: So so they they you have to really treat it

476
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,879
Speaker 2: every single time as if it's the realest thing ever.

477
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,280
Speaker 2: And when you're saying that you're working with these Navy

478
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:17,160
Speaker 2: seals and these other airborne and skydivers who are constantly

479
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,760
Speaker 2: checking each other, that's proper. You're going to bring that

480
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:24,840
Speaker 2: old head mentality to your your platoon. You're going back

481
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 2: in the army, right I am. Yeah, these young kids

482
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 2: are going to look at you as an old head, right,

483
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 2: that's right, So I should just start calling you Grandpa Wiley.

484
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I knew that was coming.

485
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 4: Ah, you sure did.

486
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 3: I did. That's all right, and I'm okay with that.

487
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 3: But that's I think that's part of the mission too,

488
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,160
Speaker 3: is be able to mentor some of these young guys,

489
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:49,920
Speaker 3: whether I know where it's gonna happen or how it's

490
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,400
Speaker 3: going to happen. Is if I can bestow some information

491
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 3: or knowledge that I've learned through my mistakes in this

492
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 3: you know, in this world over the last two plus years,

493
00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 3: and save somebody the hassle or the heartache of an injury,

494
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 3: because it sucks when you get injured. And then I'm

495
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 3: happy to bestow that because at the end of the day,

496
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 3: attention to detail is primary. You checking your gear over

497
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,120
Speaker 3: and over again. You should never think that you've got

498
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,880
Speaker 3: it figured out once you've kind of got the fundamentals down.

499
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 3: I think in the community as well. You know, a

500
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,639
Speaker 3: lot of guys get complacent on the aircraft. It's like

501
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 3: you have to be mindful every single step of the way,

502
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 3: that you can never become complacent because you will get

503
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 3: hurt or killed. And at the end of the day,

504
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 3: I think giving that information to soldiers, young soldiers so

505
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 3: they can take that with them through their careers wherever

506
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 3: they go, is going to be pertinent.

507
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,919
Speaker 2: So one hundred percent, bro. And you you don't have

508
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,120
Speaker 2: to shine your boots anymore.

509
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 4: Bro.

510
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 2: Did you even shine your boots when you went I

511
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 2: did the Army in the nineties. Yeah, that's right, Yeah,

512
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 2: that's right. Wait, yeah, third time now, Now I want

513
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 2: to call out someone who joined the military as well

514
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 2: from nineteen seventy eight he enlisted. It was staff Sergeant

515
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,479
Speaker 2: Monty Gould. I'm not sure if you're familiar with Monty.

516
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 2: Monty joined the Marine Corps in nineteen seventy eight and

517
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 2: then he re enlisted in twenty twenty at fifty nine

518
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 2: years of age.

519
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's who that is into the.

520
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 2: Army as a staff sergeant who has been there and

521
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 2: done that kind of attitude. You know, I know that

522
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 2: Ears says that in the last decades. You know that

523
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 2: you are like the oldest to go through boot camp,

524
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 2: perhaps with combat experience.

525
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting and I know that that was probably

526
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 3: thrown in there given the work that I'm gonna go

527
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 3: do the people that are trying to support you know

528
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 3: this mission, get it and give me on the show,

529
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 3: et cetera. But yeah, I think what I've heard was

530
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,159
Speaker 3: I'm apparently in the oldest that has been recruited in

531
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 3: the Phoenix surrounding Phoenix area. I see because I know

532
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 3: who that is, and I remember reading about him a

533
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 3: few years ago and how he he reenlisted. He went

534
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,360
Speaker 3: back through basic training and the infantry again, and I thought, well,

535
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 3: if that fifty nine year old man you do it,

536
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 3: there's no way in heck that I should be worried

537
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 3: about my ability to complete that as well. So yes,

538
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 3: kudos to him. I think it comes down to, especially

539
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 3: at your age, it's mindset as well, and are you

540
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 3: physically prepared to meet the standard set forth by the community,

541
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 3: so to me, mindset, and then making sure I'm training

542
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 3: harder than I expect to be beaten up when I

543
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 3: get back in there, so that my body can handle

544
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 3: the riggers that they're going to put me through. I've

545
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 3: already done it myself and it's try. I mean, when

546
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 3: I've been running a lot lately been running twenty miles

547
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 3: a week and it's amazing when you run by yourself,

548
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 3: how boring it is. But I realized if I can

549
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 3: do it by myself, then I should be okay on

550
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 3: a team.

551
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 2: Need a cadence with people doing the same thing with you. Left, right, left.

552
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 2: Don't forget how to walk. You know what I'm saying,

553
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 2: You like, did you forgot how to walk?

554
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 3: Not at all.

555
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 4: I'll tell you how to walk left, right, left.

556
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 3: There's that whole thing with the Green Berets at the

557
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 3: military parade that we're out of step and everybody blew

558
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 3: up on the internet about it, where it's like, you know,

559
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 3: these war fighters get even martian step. And part of

560
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 3: it's like, I agree with that you should be disciplined

561
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 3: enough in the drill the ceremony things, because it's part

562
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 3: of the structure of the military discipline. But at the

563
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 3: same time, do you really care more about your war

564
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 3: fighters like that actually being efficient and droll ceremony? You

565
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 3: want them to spend more time on going and doing

566
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 3: what they're meant to be doing. So it's fun, But

567
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 3: I never I will never forget roll and ceremony for

568
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 3: because I realize how important it is, and I want

569
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 3: to make sure that if I'm in a position of

570
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 3: leadership at some point, then I'm doing that to these

571
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 3: young kids so they don't think that I'm slacking, and

572
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 3: then they think it's okay to slack.

573
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 2: So you're referencing the Green Berets that were marching for

574
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 2: the seventeen seventy six slash Trump Birthday in Washington earlier

575
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 2: this year. I actually saw what you just are referencing

576
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 2: on a video, so I picked up on that, and

577
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 2: I just want to describe to my listener. You know,

578
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 2: during the President's Birthday or the seventeen seventy six of

579
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: the Army, however you split it. You know, they're driving

580
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 2: tanks down and you know there was a scene where

581
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 2: there was like a whole company of SF Special Forces

582
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 2: Green Berets just moving down the parade route. You know,

583
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 2: we don't know what their orders were to get be given.

584
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 2: No one said hey, you can just march at ease.

585
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 2: You know, no one said anything like, hey, we don't

586
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 2: know what they were told. And those guys are unconventional

587
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 2: warfighters who rock rucksacks on their back with radio equipment

588
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 2: and heavy equipment in them all day.

589
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 4: Long every day everywhere, all over the place.

590
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 2: They're jumping out of air planes, They're doing all these

591
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: different types of things that require them to be who

592
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 2: they are. And so if they want to just kick

593
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: it and break dance, if they want to bust out

594
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 2: a move, I'm chill with it, because again, my dad

595
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: is a Green Beret. And so I walked around with

596
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 2: those guys growing up as a young little mowgli, you know,

597
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 2: just looking at all these big balloes and all these

598
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 2: bigearas from the Jungle Book, like all these big dudes

599
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 2: just like bringing me into their culture.

600
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 4: I'm okay with them just not chalantly walking.

601
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 2: And some say that might have been their way of saying,

602
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 2: we're just being told to do this.

603
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:36,880
Speaker 3: That's true, that's true, because they don't.

604
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 4: Do anything politicizing it. No.

605
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: No, they're surgical, they're scalpels, they are surgeons. And you

606
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 2: know they could have been just marching if we're going

607
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 2: to guess, just we have to be here because we

608
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 2: were ordered to. And you know, they don't believe in

609
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 2: politicizing themselves, but politicians want to politicize them.

610
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 3: Of course they do. So they going to leach on

611
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 3: too or latch onto something very small and insignificant. Is

612
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 3: that so I totally understand what you're saying. Is yeah,

613
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 3: my uncles are Green Berets too. Before he died, my

614
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 3: one uncle was a Macmee Sag guy, and stories we

615
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 3: talked about in the community when he went in the

616
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 3: Vietnam and just how they were like, dude, this is

617
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 3: all we focus on. We're not meant to just be

618
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 3: these political like pawns for people, and presidents were designed

619
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 3: to be in the shadows doing our job, and when

620
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 3: people will try to use us as these like political

621
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 3: pawn pieces for their their agendas, he's like, we don't care.

622
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 3: We'll basically give him the middle finger. And I was like, Okay,

623
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 3: kudos to you, man, that's great.

624
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 4: You know, that's good you say that.

625
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 2: I was talking to a lieutenant general one day, of

626
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 2: course I was, and he said to me, hey, Rad,

627
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 2: I'm like, what's up, sir, dude, sir, And he's like,

628
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 2: it's like, how did you transition from one Republican president

629
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 2: to a democratic president? How did you make that transition

630
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 2: happen to be peaceful and not like politicize. He's like, well,

631
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: I'll tell you right now, Rad. It says US Army,

632
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 2: US Marine, it says US Navy, US Coast Guard, US

633
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: Space Force. Is that a thing. I'm just saying, okay,

634
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 2: because he said that's what it is. That transition means

635
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: the US comes first, not either side. And so I'm

636
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: happy to hear you say that, because you know, I

637
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 2: just like to hear that. I want to hear that.

638
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 2: It can be a green bereay just saying hey, I'm

639
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 2: just here man, because you told me to be here. Dude,

640
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 2: now you need me to go over there and do

641
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: these other things that are really horrible.

642
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's I'm glad you said that too, because

643
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 3: make this quick. We swear our oath. The first part

644
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 3: of the oath is saying, I swear my oath to

645
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 3: the Constitution of the United States. Yes, we might say

646
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 3: after that, and again it's in the oath that we

647
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 3: will obey the orders of the President of the United

648
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,719
Speaker 3: States and the offers officers appointed over me. But that

649
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that we will blind give blind allegiance just

650
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 3: to the man in office. We're focused on the Constitution

651
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 3: for any personally in my whole families. That way, it's

652
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 3: like we're all about our country, our flag our constitution first.

653
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 3: If anybody goes against that, I don't. I'm not supporting

654
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 3: that whatsoever. It's like, you know what, And I hope

655
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 3: that there are more people out there that realize if

656
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 3: we can get back to the constitutional foundations of this republic,

657
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 3: we can actually steer the ship back in the right direction.

658
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 3: And it starts with the military. And I think that's

659
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 3: what you talked about earlier, is that if I can

660
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 3: play a part in helping turn the ship around a

661
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 3: small piece of it. I'm just one man. But at

662
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 3: the end of the day, the one man, one man,

663
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 3: one man. We build it up with people the same

664
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 3: kind of mindset, focus at values. We can re direct

665
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 3: the ship back into where it's but it belongs to.

666
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 3: It can help usher in that kind of value system

667
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: back into the republic, for people to focus on the

668
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 3: constitution and not on the personal feelings or the personal agendas,

669
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 3: or their political views or whatever their social experiments they

670
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 3: want to play with. Let's get us back on the

671
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 3: right track. We've never been perfect. This country will never

672
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 3: be perfect. Nobody will ever be perfect. So if anybody

673
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 3: keeps focusing on well America, I see all these problems

674
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 3: you guys had So how can you think you're great?

675
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 3: It's like, why are you focused on the small problems? Yes,

676
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 3: they suck. Why aren't you focus on the good things

677
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 3: that we have done for the world. I mean, we've

678
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 3: sacrificed blood, money, tiers, time, and to save and protect

679
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 3: people all around this world. And we need to get

680
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 3: back to that in that position as well.

681
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 2: And I agree, you know, and like cutting these programs

682
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: that have been out there recently, right and is like

683
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 2: you know, like us aid. You know, I've talked to

684
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 2: people all over the spectrum, believe it or not, you know,

685
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 2: who are involved in these you know, letting goes.

686
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 4: Can I come on your show and talk.

687
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: About X y Z, you know, And I'm just like,

688
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 2: you know, I want I'm okay with I guess my

689
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 2: tax dollars helping people if that's where they're going, you know,

690
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: and if it's for another nation to have a healthy

691
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: you know, drinking well or water or from famine, you know,

692
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: so that it could be a better country, so that

693
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: they could be a better people to the to themselves,

694
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 2: and that overall, you know, my like you know, you

695
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 2: can have a whole bunch of armies working together or

696
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 2: you can have Caesar getting killed, you can have Pompei

697
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 2: getting his head cut off, you can have you know,

698
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: all these different leaders who thought that they would just

699
00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: control people, just control the situation right now. Some of

700
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 2: them wanted to give to others, but they also wanted

701
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 2: it all for themselves. And so look what happened to

702
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 2: Caesar stabbed multiple times, you know, beheaded was POMPEII. You know,

703
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 2: all these people back in the day want to control

704
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:13,719
Speaker 2: over the whole world.

705
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 4: Alexander is great.

706
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, I was thinking about that too, and it

707
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 3: comes back to you, what are they focused on as leaders?

708
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 3: Leadership is not about their position, It's not about their power.

709
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 3: It's about being able to inspire and move and motivate

710
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 3: people that you're there to lead, but also create more

711
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 3: leaders because of that impact. I think if we get

712
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 3: back to a value system focusing on discipline and more

713
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 3: like objective morally, not subjective morally, realizing that the inherent

714
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 3: goods starts at home, starts with disciplining children, disciplining yourself,

715
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 3: leading from it by example, not saying the words and

716
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 3: then going off and doing something different like our politicians do.

717
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 3: But going back to what you said, Green, like Greenbreys.

718
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 3: If you think about the Green Break community, they were

719
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 3: they were built to go off and conduct not only

720
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 3: unconnected to warfare, but it's forced for an internal defense

721
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 3: force multipliers. They're there to help build up people within

722
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 3: communities and countries that are being oppressed so that we

723
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,239
Speaker 3: can push back on that and get to get the

724
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,239
Speaker 3: world to actually live in harmony and move together in

725
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 3: one in one direction. And we have this chaos going

726
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 3: on because our leaders forget where they can come from

727
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 3: their influence by something evil that they allow their personal

728
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 3: agendas to get in the way of their job title

729
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 3: and their responsibilities. How do we stop that, Well, we've

730
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 3: got to get more people in positions of power and

731
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: influence that have these types of morals and focus get

732
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 3: us back on track to realize that we cannot sustain

733
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 3: like Caesar, et cetera, if we keep going down this track.

734
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 3: And you can see the cracks happening all around the

735
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 3: world right now.

736
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 4: Very much so.

737
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: And I mean, you know, we kind of as a

738
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: US nation seem to be, you know, just flexing right

739
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: now and saying like you know, number one here, number

740
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: one here, But we should be really worried about what

741
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 2: we care about, and that's everybody else also being number

742
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 2: one as an American, you know.

743
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 4: That's how I feel it.

744
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know for Sweden's number one, we're number one,

745
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 2: and there was all number one. Well, everything's like.

746
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't understand the mindset, but at

747
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 3: the end of the day, I kind of do too.

748
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 3: Some of the leaders I work with in the past,

749
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 3: and you can see the internal mechanisms of where their

750
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 3: mind is at. It's like, this is why your personal

751
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 3: and professional lives are broken. This is why you're not

752
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 3: getting as much done as you could be getting done

753
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 3: given who you are, your capacity, what you've accomplished. So

754
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 3: if you look at leadership around the world, there's so

755
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 3: much pride and ego and vanity involved in that nobody

756
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 3: is pulling them back and saying, hey, this is exactly

757
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 3: why you can't solve the problems you're facing right now.

758
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 3: You're putting the blame on other people. You're not taking

759
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 3: unresponsibile You and I talked about be prior to this conversation,

760
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 3: where it's like, if you can realize being in a

761
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 3: failure position, failure is part of success, it's part of life.

762
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 3: It's how you react to failure that matters, not the

763
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 3: failure itself. And I think leaders around the world, especially

764
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 3: in America, are so focused on avoiding feeling the embarrassment

765
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 3: of their failures, they keep pivoting and putting the blame

766
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 3: on other people, and then we're seeing the results of

767
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 3: that is chaos in the community, chaos in society. Stability

768
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 3: has gone out the window. People are not able to

769
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 3: have conversations without lobbying, ad hominine attacks. People don't know

770
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 3: how to stay on topic focused on the one piece

771
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 3: that where we're trying to discuss. Everybody keeps what about

772
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 3: each other, moving different the goalposts, and that starts when

773
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 3: stops with leadership. It really comes down to the person

774
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 3: in that position of power going okay, can I accept

775
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 3: responsibility in the face of embarrassment and letting people see

776
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 3: that humility is the strength. My ability to actually be

777
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 3: a leader and be respected comes to my ability to

778
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 3: accept and acknowledge my failures and do something about them

779
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 3: or respond to them differently so that I can bestow

780
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 3: that kind of wisdom and knowledge on the people that

781
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 3: follow me and uplift them as well. So as America

782
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 3: we were built, if we're the head of the pack.

783
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 3: We're the wealthiest country on the earth and we've had

784
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 3: the most the most historically successful country in the history

785
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 3: of the world. Our job is to be uplifting people

786
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 3: rather than trying to hold them down and make them

787
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 3: feel like they're less than. It's like, guys, this is

788
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 3: the problem, and we could fight evil in this world,

789
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 3: but you're not going to do it with trying to

790
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 3: act like you're a tough bully on the block. And

791
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 3: we're not supposed to do that now. Difference between proppy

792
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 3: people up and sustaining them financially versus giving them a

793
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 3: little bit of a headway so they can actually grab

794
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 3: on the horns themselves and pull themselves up with our

795
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 3: support as leaders. And I think that's what we're.

796
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 2: Missing, right And so like you know, sometimes, you know,

797
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 2: there's people that are going to that need to recognize

798
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 2: the word like hypocrite, you know, you know, and I

799
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 2: think that you know, it's something that they don't want

800
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 2: to acknowledge, is that they themselves may be a hypocrite

801
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 2: of their rule. It's like, oh, you can't do this,

802
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 2: but then they're doing this, and or you shouldn't do this.

803
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 4: Don't you do it. But then they're doing it.

804
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, well that's a hypocrite, right, And my

805
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 2: kids say, hey, Dad, you're a hypocrite, you said.

806
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 4: You know. I'm like, that's not how this works. This

807
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 4: is communism in here. I am right.

808
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 3: Okay, you are honestly, in a household like that, as

809
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 3: a father, you're the lead, the svirtual lead, right, So

810
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 3: take the family in the right direction, right, and you'll

811
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 3: create this containment for building morals and values and systems, etc.

812
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 3: So that your children can thrive in the outside world. Now, unfortunately,

813
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 3: in a household like that, like my father, it's like, hey,

814
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 3: guess what, it is more autocratic. We got to listen

815
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 3: and respect these rules. We have to do what he

816
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 3: tells us to do until we are established as adults

817
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 3: and we can go out make our own decisions. But

818
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 3: when it comes to if you take that into politics

819
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 3: and take into a country, it's different. You can't do

820
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 3: the same thing you can do at a household. You

821
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 3: have to realize the whole point of our founding republic

822
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 3: is that everybody has a voice and everybody's rights are

823
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 3: protected so that we can work together and seeking in

824
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 3: unity as a government of the people, by the people

825
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 3: and for the people. And I think the leaders they're

826
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 3: not leaders. The representatives have forgotten that they given this

827
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 3: position of power and influence, and that power influence and

828
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 3: like almost perverts who they are, and they get caught

829
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 3: up in the high of that and they want more

830
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 3: of it and they start to think truly that they

831
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 3: are superior to the people they were meant to represent.

832
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 3: That's where the hypocrisy comes in. It's like, who are you?

833
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 3: You got elected to do this? No, you did, just

834
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: take power into power. We chose your right and you're

835
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 3: turned around forgetting that we chose you.

836
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: Or the person we chose chooses other people because they

837
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 2: can then then they can place them in their positions.

838
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 4: And so they say, well, I was chosen.

839
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: I'm the chosen one, so I get to I get

840
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: to do it because that's who America voted for. And

841
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 2: whether you're on either side of the aisle, that guy

842
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 2: or gal is who was chosen for. And you know,

843
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 2: if if they believe in God and the other guy

844
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 2: believes in God, then they're chosen by God.

845
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 4: There God, I mean really right? If they Yeah, so

846
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 4: let me ask you this.

847
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, let's talk about God for a second, right,

848
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: I come from a Mormon Latter day Saint household, all right?

849
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 2: And our God is he the same as the Catholic God?

850
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: So is he the same as the other Christian gods?

851
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 2: So is it only a certain God? That is it

852
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 2: the American Jesus?

853
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 4: That is right?

854
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 3: People start putting labels and definitions on things they don't

855
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:57,839
Speaker 3: even know anything about.

856
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 4: You know what I'm I've grown up. I'm very vote,

857
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 4: very well versed.

858
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 2: People may not realize we could bat the Bible back

859
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 2: and forth, and I'll just be like, well, show me

860
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: in the Bible where the woman wrote a section other

861
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 2: than Esther, which is written by a guy. Because if

862
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 2: we really go off of any of these old Bibles,

863
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 2: they were all written by men because women weren't allowed

864
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 2: to write in the Bible or script it, sure, Keith.

865
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 4: So we all we have is So what I'm saying is,

866
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 4: how do we know Holy? Right?

867
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: So we have a faith. That's the word faith. So

868
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 2: faith doesn't mean fact. Faith means a belief. So I

869
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 2: have faith in what I believe in. You have faith

870
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 2: in what you believe in. We can say, wow, I

871
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 2: survived being on the ocean for twenty three days with

872
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: nothing because God saved me. That's the faith you believe

873
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 2: that pulled you through that situation. But did God come

874
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 2: down with his hand and pick you up and put

875
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 2: you on the island or did you float to the island?

876
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 2: Was that God holding you under the water floating into

877
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: the island? You know what I'm saying, because like footsteps

878
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 2: in the sand? Is the reason why you don't see

879
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 2: another set is because I was carrying you. You know,

880
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,919
Speaker 2: God's like, do you see these footprints in the sand? Yeah,

881
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 2: but why is there not another second set?

882
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 4: Well?

883
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 2: Because I was carrying you. Those are my feet print, right,

884
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 2: the feet print in the sand. So it's like if

885
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 2: you know that, Like, I don't know. I'm just trying

886
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 2: to figure this out because you know, I've got friends

887
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 2: who I say, Asa Mama, lakem to, and they have

888
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 2: a whole nother God, and I like them and they're

889
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 2: my friends, and I don't think that their God would

890
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: be is.

891
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 4: How do we bring everybody together? What do we do here?

892
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 2: How can we just have this American Jesus idealology right

893
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 2: now where it's like America's God is the right one.

894
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 3: I think at the end of the day when it

895
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 3: comes out to you, I'm glad you sure all that

896
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 3: is it's you know, I've talked to other Christians, other

897
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,240
Speaker 3: people that have are very adamant about having to basically

898
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 3: call them Bible uppers, pound there the belief into other people,

899
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 3: and I've asked them questions. I said, look, is that

900
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 3: changing anybody's hearts or minds what you're doing? And they're like, well,

901
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 3: not really. I'm like, so, then why aren't you trying

902
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 3: a different approach? It's not about you trying to convince

903
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 3: other people. It's about you just sharing who you are,

904
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 3: your story, where you're at, how it's led to you

905
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 3: into life. You have to let them they can see

906
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 3: it at as an example, and then letting whatever happens

907
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 3: for them personally change them the way that they need

908
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 3: to be changed. It's not about you trying to change

909
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 3: them that you have no power to do that. So

910
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 3: I like what you shared with that is like having

911
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 3: respect for other people. I think there is an objective

912
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 3: morality that's all imprinted on all of our hearts. That's

913
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 3: why people are inherently they know lying is not right.

914
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 3: They know that there's certain things that you don't do

915
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 3: in society, you don't cross lines with each other. People

916
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 3: just allow themselves to override those I would say guardrails,

917
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 3: and they go into politics and they forget about those

918
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 3: pieces of it and they try to navigate it their way,

919
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 3: and they create these subjective ideas of faith and morality

920
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 3: and truth, and then they put that out into the

921
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 3: world as if they are truly morally high the higher ground,

922
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 3: and they say they're better than you, and then we

923
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 3: start fighting with each other and again. And if you

924
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 3: break it all down rad it comes back to again

925
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 3: Jocko talks about it. Other people in the community to

926
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 3: talk about it. Leadership. It all starts to stop with

927
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 3: how you operate, and your personal life is going to

928
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 3: bleed into your professional life, and we're going to see

929
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 3: that on the world stage and it's going to influence

930
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 3: and affect people in a very negative way. And you

931
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 3: can see what's happening in our country and now consequently

932
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 3: around the world. And it comes back to are you

933
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 3: willing to set aside your personal agenda, your personal ideals

934
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 3: of what you think is right and actually do what's right.

935
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Because like that takes me into another lane, right,

936
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I'm thinking like, okay, well, thank

937
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: you for answering that, and let's getting into that crazy conversation.

938
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 2: I love to have just a casual conversation and see

939
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 2: where it goes about that about religion or whatnot. But

940
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: let's talk about the hypocrite thing that I mentioned about

941
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: leaderships and politics and then using also religion as their scapegoat.

942
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: So let's say there is a hypothetical secretary of Defense

943
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: out there there who gets interviewed by Congress, and that

944
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: person is very I believe in the Bible. I believe

945
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 2: in the Bible that is the word of the God.

946
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 2: By bye by has tattoos of crosses on him and

947
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 2: for let's just say that guy exists, yea quote unquote.

948
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 2: Then he says, I'm going to change the military. I'm

949
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 2: gonna make it, you know, strong and hard and where

950
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 2: it needs to be, and I'm going to make changes

951
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 2: and shift it around because you know that's what needs

952
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 2: to be because I believe in that, right, Okay, cool?

953
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 2: And then he goes and say this quote unquote secretary

954
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 2: kicks out people who aren't like him, who dress a

955
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 2: different way outside of the uniform, who might you know,

956
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 2: you know, be a dude, that wears makeup. Okay, maybe

957
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 2: they have. Maybe they're a dancer and they wear makeup

958
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: and they consider that trans or whatever the case is. Okay,

959
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 2: all these things that you know, a lot of people

960
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 2: DEI has been thrown around, you know, you know, versity, equity, inclusion,

961
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 2: and these types of things are being thrown around as

962
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: like it needs to go away. It's just not a

963
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: healthy thing. Let's say that Secretary of Defense himself wore makeup.

964
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 4: Every day.

965
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 2: As a man, as the leader of our forces, but

966
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 2: yet tells another man in the military he can't wear

967
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: makeup or else he's out of the military.

968
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 4: What do you think about a hypocrite like that?

969
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 3: Well, I mean that's an interesting question. You pose that

970
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 3: you're trying to pull out my perspective on that. Yes,

971
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 3: I think nuance and context matter. I think it's easy

972
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 3: to I mean, really looks similar and immediately accuse. Okay,

973
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 3: I see that. Okay, Well, how is he wearing makeup?

974
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:51,479
Speaker 3: Where is he wearing makeup?

975
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 2: You just wearing makeup? Just a guy and a guy guy,

976
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 2: both guys. They wear a makeup makeup for women by

977
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 2: max Factor. They're both wearing it. They're both getting it

978
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 2: put on if if they both know what blotting.

979
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 4: Paper is, then they wear makeup.

980
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's just say that they know, and let's

981
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 2: say they even put on their own makeup because they

982
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 2: think it looks better the way they do it themselves

983
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 2: sometimes because they're like, you're not getting me right.

984
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 4: What if they have that.

985
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 2: Attitude and they have a mirror in a dressing room

986
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 2: where they get dressed up with makeup and then they

987
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 2: go and talk to the American people in makeup because

988
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 2: they want to look good on camera. But then you

989
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,799
Speaker 2: have another guy who also wears makeup, but he's thrown

990
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 2: into this other category even though he's on camera outside

991
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 2: the uniform.

992
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 4: It's not in uniform.

993
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 2: So let's say I was in military and I was

994
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 2: a drag performer myself, and I wore makeup for my

995
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 2: show as a man, right straight up, and another man's

996
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 2: telling me, as a man, I can't do that, but

997
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 2: he does that.

998
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 4: Is that a hypocrite when he's performing as well?

999
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean on the surface, straight up black and white.

1000
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: You can say that, yeah, And does that leak into

1001
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: the functions?

1002
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 4: Do you think of that person's mentality.

1003
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 3: I've seen it firsthand that what you do in your

1004
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 3: personal life does affect your professional life, and people thinking

1005
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 3: that you can separate that when you walk through the

1006
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 3: door of your business, they're lying to themselves. I will

1007
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 3: I will die on that hill. I've seen it personally

1008
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 3: with public figures. I've worked with celebrities, I've worked with

1009
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 3: professional athletes privately in their lives, and I've seen the

1010
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 3: decisions they make. The way in which they operate personally

1011
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 3: does bleed into their professional decision making, their leadership, their attitude,

1012
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 3: their mindset. So I think it comes back to let's

1013
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 3: look at the nuanced context of what is happening here

1014
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 3: with this individual versus this individual. And if you look

1015
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 3: at the whole transgender movement in the military and everybody

1016
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 3: fighting to keep them in here, number one, it's like

1017
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 3: they are there's a lot more going on than them

1018
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 3: simply just putting some makeup on. Because when I was

1019
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 3: in the military, there were guys that were doing, you know,

1020
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 3: wearing you know, women's clothes off duty to have fun,

1021
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 3: just playing around. There's guys that were putting makeup on,

1022
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 3: but they did not live a life believing that there

1023
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 3: was something else, and that's why they were doing that.

1024
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 3: So the other problem of it is too in the military,

1025
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 3: people that are living that life and believing they are

1026
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 3: an opposite sex of what they're born into. Believing there's

1027
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 3: something completely different conflates their ability to perform their tasks

1028
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 3: because number one, they're not deployable. Number two, they're constantly

1029
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 3: needing something to maintain this idea of who they are

1030
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 3: rather than being who they are. It does have an

1031
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 3: effect on the performance of a unit because what you

1032
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 3: start doing is you start changing the way in which

1033
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 3: you treat that person or these individuals or these groups

1034
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 3: of people in this community. That the military is not.

1035
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 3: It's not supposed to be a social experiment. It's not

1036
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 3: supposed to be a place where people get to express

1037
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 3: individual feelings and ideas. And that's what we're going to

1038
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 3: focus on. The military is a supposed to be homogenous,

1039
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 3: like a political everybody.

1040
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 2: It's supposed to be a melting pot of American and

1041
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 2: it's the volunteer military.

1042
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 4: And if someone who identifies.

1043
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 2: How they identify, let's just put it out there like that, Okay,

1044
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 2: whatever they want to identify as wants to join, and

1045
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 2: and it's it was, It was fine, nothing was a problem.

1046
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 2: I mean I know, I know female, she identifies female, female, Okay,

1047
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 2: call her female airborne airborne okay, hunub percent deploys.

1048
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 4: So I.

1049
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 2: I, personally, I don't know if I think that that's

1050
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 2: the case of non deployable.

1051
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 4: Right.

1052
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 2: There may be some mind mental things that we all

1053
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 2: live with straight trans whatever, but I don't think that

1054
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 2: deployable is the key for me, right And now, I'm

1055
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: just we're just going back and forth like a tennis

1056
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 2: match here, and I just wanted to hear your take

1057
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 2: on it, because you know, your bio does speak to

1058
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 2: you believe in that same mission statement that's going.

1059
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 4: Out right now.

1060
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 2: And I just want to make sure I understand that

1061
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: because the people I know currently in the military who

1062
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 2: have been outed or or are you know, maybe going

1063
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 2: to resign themselves after a long time in there sadly,

1064
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: you know, or the ladies that are sergeant major that

1065
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 2: are being let go. I'm like, come on, it's sergeant major.

1066
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 2: She's like, b A, you know, I just I don't

1067
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 2: understand that mentality, is what I'm saying. And you're kind

1068
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 2: of going into that world now, and and I and

1069
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 2: I want you just to know that me personally, I

1070
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 2: don't understand what the difference is. You know, if someone

1071
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 2: has my six, I believe they have my six.

1072
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 4: Isn't that it it? It's like I got your six.

1073
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 4: Isn't that a mondeo about?

1074
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 3: Yeah? It is, But that's that's how are you going

1075
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:37,479
Speaker 3: to have someone six?

1076
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 4: Though?

1077
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 3: I think?

1078
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 4: Let me back up so I can just answer yeah, yeah,

1079
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 4: yeah yeah.

1080
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 3: You have to look at the fruits of the actions

1081
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 3: being taken by an entity, not the entity itself. I

1082
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 3: think if you look at the fruits of the individual,

1083
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 3: fruits of the unit, fruits of the military as a whole,

1084
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 3: can you cough say that it was exactly where it

1085
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 3: should be and it's supposed to be meant to be

1086
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 3: as a war fighting machine, or have things gone off

1087
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 3: the rails and we have started to break down the

1088
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 3: fundamental purpose of a military, which is war fighting and

1089
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 3: looking at the military. When you join the military, I

1090
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 3: don't it doesn't matter if you're male, female, black, white, brown,

1091
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 3: purple or green. When you join the military, every single person,

1092
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 3: no matter what your mos is, is supposed to be

1093
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 3: prepared to be deployable. You can't go in the military

1094
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 3: and go well, I want to avoid being deployed because

1095
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 3: I want to focus on changing who I am, which

1096
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 3: is what I've heard from people firsthand. Colonels want star

1097
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 3: generals that I know people that I've talked to said, hey,

1098
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 3: we've had people coming in strictly to transition their gender

1099
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 3: and they spend the entire four years of their listment

1100
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 3: doing that and then they get out. So what was

1101
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,720
Speaker 3: the purpose of that individual or groups of people doing

1102
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 3: that in the military. That's not what the military is for.

1103
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 3: And I think we've gotten off the track, as in,

1104
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 3: I have no problem if somebody can carry their weight

1105
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 3: to meet the standards and they can operate in a

1106
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 3: place where they are meant to be. But the idea

1107
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 3: that we are it's like, I'm a two hundred and

1108
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 3: twenty pound guy. When I'm kidded out, I weigh three

1109
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty pounds. I want someone who can pull

1110
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,879
Speaker 3: me out of a gunfight if I am down. If

1111
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 3: you can't do that, I don't care what jenuf. There

1112
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 3: are men that can't do that.

1113
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 4: Out of bro.

1114
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 2: My friend's five foot three marine infantry. I'm six foot five.

1115
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 2: I'm two seventy bro, and if it was here, he's

1116
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 2: five to three. He's full on marine infantry. Bro, you

1117
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,720
Speaker 2: think he canna do everything he can to drag carrying

1118
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 2: fire carry me, But he's not gonna be able to

1119
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 2: unless I'm half a body.

1120
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 3: Guys like him do it. I've seen guys like him trying.

1121
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 4: I get that.

1122
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,879
Speaker 2: But I've seen Gi Jane man and she pulled him

1123
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 2: out of the tank. All right, bro at the end

1124
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,919
Speaker 2: spoiler alert if you haven't seen Gi Jane, all right,

1125
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 2: when you pull a burning man out of a tank, O'Neil,

1126
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 2: all right, she did it. Shaved her head too. She

1127
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 2: shaved her head too because she's like, this hair is

1128
00:50:58,719 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 2: in my way.

1129
00:50:59,200 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 4: I get that.

1130
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 2: Like, if this hair was in my way at boot camp,

1131
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 2: I would say take it all off. Because when I

1132
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 2: went through boot camp, I showered and shaved in like

1133
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 2: twenty seven seconds.

1134
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that's how we do it.

1135
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 2: Dry shaved of the locker, showered with one squirt of

1136
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 2: body wash all over my ball body.

1137
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, out the shower, pt gear or whatever gear you're

1138
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 4: getting into, and off you go. Right. Oh my god,

1139
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 4: I can't believe you're going through boot camp. And again,

1140
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 4: my friend, uh, we'll call him solid, all right, so

1141
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 4: he knows who he is. Solid.

1142
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 2: Just graduated three days ago from boot camp.

1143
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 4: Second time he's going front.

1144
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 2: He he's a sky soldier, so one hundred seventy four yep, okay,

1145
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 2: But that was his previous life back in eight Now

1146
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 2: he's going to go do something else today, which I

1147
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 2: don't want to dox him, I suppose because he's fresh

1148
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 2: right now.

1149
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 4: And he's like, yo, Rad, why bro, why why he

1150
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 4: dogs me?

1151
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 2: No, now that you say that, I'm gonna use that word,

1152
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 2: but you know, he just said that he had more

1153
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 2: bleeding on his class as. When he put them on,

1154
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 2: everyone realized that he had a he had a combat

1155
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 2: Action badge, he had his airborne jump wings. He has

1156
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 2: been in the suck. He's called five piss off grids

1157
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:21,280
Speaker 2: with his being a forward air controller. You're a Ford observer.

1158
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 2: You know, he's done all of it, right, And here

1159
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 2: he is going through boot camp and he's like, yeah,

1160
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 2: my drill sergeant didn't even have the rack I have

1161
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 2: or any of the bleing I have. But I want

1162
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 2: to tell you that I was humbled, and I'm humboled

1163
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 2: Rad and and I can't wait to get this Pogue

1164
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 2: beret off my head. And he's like, I can't wait

1165
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 2: to get this off. It's gonna be changing. You'll see,

1166
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 2: You'll see. And I'm like, oh, okay, I know what

1167
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 2: you're doing, dude, I know what you're doing now that

1168
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 2: you're thirty three, all right, a little more mature, some

1169
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 2: time under his belt. But again, he took quite a

1170
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,320
Speaker 2: step away, you know. And I always thought that you

1171
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 2: could just kind of get back in. But is there

1172
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,800
Speaker 2: like a time frame. So if I have a listener

1173
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 2: out there, right, Wiley, let's ask that as a listener

1174
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 2: listening and they're like maybe thirty seven years old and

1175
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,959
Speaker 2: they got some experience eight years ago they.

1176
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 4: Got out, do they have to reenlist tell me that?

1177
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean what I found out is number

1178
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:10,760
Speaker 3: one boot camp.

1179
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 4: I mean yeah, yes, Well, you've.

1180
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 3: Been out more than five years, you're required to go

1181
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 3: back to basic training to the it And it's not

1182
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 3: because they think you forgot how to be a soldier.

1183
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 3: It's because there are technology and SOPs changed, especially the

1184
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 3: last twenty years of war. So they just want to

1185
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 3: up like almost keep you up to speed, Requalify you

1186
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 3: on weapons systems, make sure you know the standard operating

1187
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 3: procedures of the military as it is now, versus when

1188
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 3: you were in. So I've been out twenty one years.

1189
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 3: That's why I have to go back. So anybody that's

1190
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 3: been out less than five years or less doesn't have

1191
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 3: to go back to basic training. It's those who have

1192
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 3: been out longer, so that's all they require to do it.

1193
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 4: Now.

1194
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 3: That's why I'm going back for the third time again.

1195
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 3: I was talking to Andy Kames. I was talking Andy

1196
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 3: stuff on his show a couple of years ago, and

1197
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 3: he was like, dude, why would you do boot camp twice?

1198
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 3: And that was the time we were chatting about. I said,

1199
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 3: because I was in the reserves in high school to

1200
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 3: get some experience under my belt, and then I went

1201
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 3: active duty. So I changed MOSS and the required me

1202
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 3: to go back to basic training as an infantryment. So

1203
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 3: that's why I had to go twice. But this is

1204
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 3: the third time because I've been out for twenty one

1205
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 3: years and I'm changing MOS and so I'm going into

1206
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 3: a Special Operations MS. I have to go train, get

1207
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 3: the kind of qualifications at Basic for nine weeks, get

1208
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 3: the thirteen weeks aiit, go to jump school, and then

1209
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 3: I have to go to Camp MC call for a

1210
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 3: fifty week long pipeline. So it's just requirements that they

1211
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 3: expect of you. Doesn't mean you don't know how to

1212
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 3: be a soldier. But I think the biggest thing you

1213
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 3: said too for me is regardless of what's on my chest,

1214
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 3: I got both EIBS CIB air crew Member wings from

1215
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 3: flying as a doorgun, my Airsoft qualified driver's badge, I

1216
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 3: have my ribbon rack as well my combat patch with

1217
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 3: one hundred. First, it does not make me better than

1218
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 3: the people I'm going to go train with. What it

1219
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 3: just means is I've had this experience that I can

1220
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,439
Speaker 3: share with and I'm going to make sure that Look,

1221
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 3: it's not beneath me to go do this. And I'm

1222
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 3: respecting the fact that if I get in with the

1223
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 3: twenty seven year old drill sergeant, he's a drill startant.

1224
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 3: That guy's a staff startant. He deserves the respect he earned.

1225
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 3: I'm going to give it to him, and I'm going

1226
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 3: to show these young kids, guys, this is not about

1227
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 3: your individual personal feelings ideals. This is about you being

1228
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 3: part of a cohesive unit. And if that means you

1229
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 3: are out, you know, outperforming a guy that's you know,

1230
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 3: your instructor or your cadret still have the respect for them,

1231
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 3: and humble yourself. This humility will take you a long

1232
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 3: way in this community.

1233
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 4: I think your new name shall be Moses.

1234
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 3: Right, my beers is not long.

1235
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 4: No, no, it is. It's just right.

1236
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 2: You're like the young Moses, just about to go get

1237
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 2: the go on the mountain. Charlton Heston comes down all

1238
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 2: white Beard after that point, you know what I'm saying,

1239
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 2: He's like big old white Beard in the movie if

1240
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 2: I mean.

1241
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,919
Speaker 3: Fifty when this en listens is about done, so I'll

1242
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 3: see how my beard goes from that point.

1243
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 4: Oh, bro, bro, Now one other thing.

1244
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 2: There's a little bit of a thing that you're kind

1245
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 2: of doing, and I just want to make sure I

1246
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,280
Speaker 2: understand its correctly. Since you enlisted all the way back

1247
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 2: in the early nineties or late nineties, right middle in

1248
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 2: the nineties, and then you're picking up today, will you

1249
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:57,720
Speaker 2: get those stripes put onto your wrist for time and service?

1250
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 3: Well that everything everything stays. I've already gone through this process.

1251
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 3: So all the badges I've earned our mind, my DD

1252
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 3: two fourteen has all of that on there, and atat

1253
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 3: and soul I have every right to wear it. I

1254
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 3: have my my combat hashes on my sleeve, my time

1255
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 3: and service hashes on my sleeve.

1256
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 4: But don't don't you get those made up?

1257
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 2: Don't you get like time like it connects them right,

1258
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 2: So like even though you're enlisted in the nineties and

1259
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 2: you're listening today in twenty twenty five, you still get

1260
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 2: timing all that time, right, it connects for your for

1261
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 2: your benefits.

1262
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 4: So you looks like.

1263
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 3: Time and service, Time and service is still there, Time

1264
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 3: and grade is still there. So going back in as

1265
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 3: an E four, I have a lot. I have more

1266
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 3: than enough time and grade to be promoted E five

1267
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 3: fairly quickly. So the likelihood is they do have this happening,

1268
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 3: and I've already done the research is I could expect

1269
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 3: to be sent to the board during a t because

1270
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 3: I'm already in a promotable space given my time and

1271
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 3: service and my time and grade. So they're going to

1272
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 3: push me back into a position where of course I

1273
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 3: have to be an E five minimum to even graduate,

1274
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 3: you know the pipeline E six to get to my unit.

1275
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 3: So they're looking at, hey, you've got the time. It

1276
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 3: all matches. So I was just shy of six years.

1277
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 3: So the third stripe on my sleeve, they said, when

1278
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 3: you hit that six year mark, basically activeduty, you will

1279
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 3: get your other good Contact Award, You'll get your other

1280
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 3: So it does not start over, it does continue from

1281
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 3: correct left off.

1282
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 2: And then once you're done and you are retired at

1283
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 2: fifty fifty one, you get to be VA benefits the

1284
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 2: whole nine yards. All those years add up together for veterans, right,

1285
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 2: so this is something that's out there where you get

1286
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 2: So you've got thirty some years in the military now.

1287
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 3: No, I mean I have I want to say seven

1288
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 3: with my reserve time. So by the time they said

1289
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 3: the reason why they're allowing me back in two is

1290
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 3: because I can retire active duty by the time I'm sixty,

1291
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 3: which I technically will retire by the time I'm fifty

1292
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 3: eight if I stay in. So if I get done

1293
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 3: with this enlistment and I want to stay in, which

1294
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 3: my wife is preparing for two, I can retire with

1295
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 3: a full twenty at fifty eight years old. So I'll

1296
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 3: still be young for two more years I want to do.

1297
00:57:58,160 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 2: So you got to get thirteen more years, so they're

1298
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 2: not gonna connect it from the nineties to today like

1299
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 2: and give you that full time.

1300
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been out. I've been out, so I have

1301
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 3: not been a part of the military at all. So

1302
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 3: I did my time and got out with the school,

1303
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 3: ran my business. Now I'm going back in. But they're

1304
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 3: gonna clash the two ends together. So five and a

1305
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 3: half years active duty, here's my new term. I'll be

1306
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 3: almost eleven years of active duty when this term.

1307
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 4: Okay, so that's maybe what I'm thinking. You still get

1308
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 4: all that time in.

1309
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 2: So that means that as an E four you get

1310
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 2: eleven years pay of E four because paygrade every time

1311
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 2: you're in that month, right, Yeah.

1312
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 3: E four at five and a half years get plus.

1313
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 3: I'm married to all the BH and come with it.

1314
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 3: So yes, it's a decent start off again with my paycheck.

1315
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 3: Plus then when I get promoted to E five, that

1316
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 3: kind of goes up. And then by the time I'm

1317
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 3: done with the qualification course will send me off the BLC,

1318
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 3: which is a basically ALC Advanced Leadership Course. I'll get

1319
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 3: pinned E six when I get to my unit, and

1320
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:52,320
Speaker 3: that that'll keep basically increasing the benefits. But apparently which

1321
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 3: is cool.

1322
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 2: I'm cool with that. I want you to have that.

1323
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 2: I want you to have more than that. I want

1324
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 2: you to have the best of everything. No low it's bidder,

1325
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 2: no lowest dollar. Give the military the best contract, the

1326
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 2: best prices. Pay our staff in the US to make

1327
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 2: very compliant goods so that these guys and gals get

1328
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 2: the best of everything. And none of this is like, oh,

1329
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 2: we got to fix it with one hundred mile an

1330
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 2: hour tape because it's bitter.

1331
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 4: Bro. Yeah no, I'm just saying, well, you.

1332
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 3: Know what's rat Yeah, you know what's interesting. There's a

1333
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 3: guy nam Dan Holloway. I don't know who that is,

1334
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 3: but he's a former eighty second ear born guy. He

1335
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 3: runs He has the Drinking Bros. Podcast.

1336
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 4: Sure Sure.

1337
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 3: I was on his show The Citizen and we had

1338
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 3: a great conversation about it. And what he talks about

1339
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 3: as well is that he's big on pushing to change

1340
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 3: the way in which we feed our war fighters. So

1341
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 3: he's got contacts in the Pentagon and things like that

1342
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 3: where they are working on changing the MREs, making them

1343
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 3: obviously shelf stable, but with better quality ingredients healthier. First,

1344
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 3: he's like, we are professional athletes for the military. You

1345
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 3: need to feed us and take care of us in

1346
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 3: a way that is it behooves our best performance. So

1347
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 3: I think that's the thing that we're looking at, too,

1348
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 3: is how do you optimize the people that are doing

1349
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 3: the most dangerous job for your country. Well, you got

1350
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 3: to pain well, take care of them well, and feed

1351
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 3: them well. And I think we're on the road for

1352
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 3: that changing to be the better part.

1353
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 2: Of what we're experiencing with mrs. Did you start eating

1354
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 2: them in the nineties when they were dark brown eggs?

1355
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1356
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 4: I did.

1357
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 2: The beans and franks was my favorite, right too, Oh

1358
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 2: my god, that was my favorite, dude, my dad. I'd

1359
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:21,040
Speaker 2: have grown up in a Green Beret family in the nineties.

1360
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 4: Dude. It was just like Mri.

1361
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 3: Glostak phased them out when they had cigarettes back in

1362
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 3: the day. So I remember here they had cigarettes. But yeah,

1363
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 3: I got the chocolate brown packaging when I first joined

1364
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety seven, and they started phasing that out

1365
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 3: as I got into.

1366
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 2: ACTI duty, and then I went into like the tan ones,

1367
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 2: you know, like the and then they had the two

1368
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 2: thousand and eight don't drink the milkshake salmonilla.

1369
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 4: Dude, all of them were teted vanilla.

1370
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 2: I heard, yeah, dude, And the mrs that were floating

1371
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 2: around my world.

1372
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 4: Even here.

1373
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 2: I was just like, I don't drink the Salmonila, don't

1374
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 2: drink any of the powder. That's all I would say.

1375
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 2: I was like, you can eat your omelet, but don't

1376
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 2: drink the powder. Because we do a lot of war

1377
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 2: games here in Utah. I run wargame community friendship kind

1378
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 2: of environment. We all go do what you're gonna go do.

1379
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 2: But just in the war game on the weekend, you know,

1380
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 2: we just go, you know, have a good time. And

1381
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 2: everybody likes to have the real kit on them or

1382
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 2: as close to it. And if you have an MR

1383
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 2: out there, everybody's like, oh.

1384
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 4: That's a real MRI. Wow, you're not. We're not in

1385
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 4: the military. What is in there?

1386
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 2: It's a heater. Oh that's where the you put this

1387
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 2: in there? Yeah, you could like a little water goes

1388
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 2: a long way, you know, people, this is here.

1389
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 4: Eat your gum. Make sure you eat all your gums.

1390
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 4: Swallow it. Dude.

1391
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 3: I was in Afghanistan, you want to tu. I would

1392
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 3: really appreciated every piece of the MR. When we were

1393
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 3: in Afghanistan and we went on our very first combat off.

1394
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 3: It was a five day mission and end up being

1395
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 3: seven because the weather came in and the aircraft couldn't

1396
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 3: come get us. The pilots did want to fly through

1397
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 3: that weather up the mountains, and it was interesting. It

1398
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 3: is like we literally had to split one MRI for

1399
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 3: two people for that extra day that we were there,

1400
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 3: and we had two bottles of water and that was it.

1401
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 3: So we had to ration ourselves. So you learn to

1402
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 3: really appreciate the gum in the MRI right in your

1403
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 3: cheese spread packet, I mean, all of it.

1404
01:01:58,880 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 4: All.

1405
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 3: But it was really cool because you really can that

1406
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 3: those challenges really showcase like what your metal is, what

1407
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 3: you're capable of, especially when it comes to food, your

1408
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 3: ability to handle the stress of it. And we were fine.

1409
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 3: You know, your infantry guys, we're used to being trained,

1410
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 3: you know, at sleep deprivation and no food, no.

1411
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:15,919
Speaker 2: Water, and if you don't want to waste your water

1412
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 2: on your heater, you can just pee in it exactly.

1413
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:21,520
Speaker 3: So I had a buddy that did that. He's like,

1414
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 3: check it out, man, I'm gonna make it work with

1415
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 3: the water. Yeah, he's like, did that. It was perfect?

1416
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 4: It don't matter. Yeah, dude, that's awesome what it is.

1417
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 3: But you learn these lessons, you learn to appreciate little

1418
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 3: things like that, especially because you said gum and I

1419
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 3: was like it clicked to me. I was like that

1420
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 3: one moment where I was chewing my last piece of

1421
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 3: gun from my MRA that last day we were out

1422
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 3: there in the middle of the Afghanistan mountains. We just

1423
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,200
Speaker 3: got done with this like gunfight, and it was like, oh,

1424
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 3: it was so precious to appreciate a piece of gum

1425
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 3: in your mouth after you've been up all night basically

1426
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 3: you know, playing two way rifle range with the Talivan.

1427
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 4: So yeah, really that's what it is. It's like two

1428
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 4: way rifle range. Huh.

1429
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 2: You're just the target on their range. I mean, in

1430
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 2: a second twisted way of putting it. It's you're really

1431
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 2: just like see you tomorrow.

1432
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:03,439
Speaker 3: Well, I was a mortar man, so I was fired

1433
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 3: in my sixty mortar gunt, so it was I was

1434
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 3: actually having more fun with that than I was shooting

1435
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 3: an M four.

1436
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 4: So another rotation activated. Right.

1437
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 2: You can set the mortar by like clicking it or

1438
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 2: something on the bottom of it.

1439
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 3: On the top of the fuse, the head has four

1440
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 3: different settings, so you have like eight high impact, which

1441
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 3: hits the ground and explodes. You have basically your delay

1442
01:03:24,120 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 3: which goes down into the ground. Sixty I think is

1443
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 3: a meter, so to go down a full meter into

1444
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 3: the ground, so it's used for bunkers. You have near

1445
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 3: surface first and proximity so near surface versus like right

1446
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 3: above the ground, and a blow downwards you go enemy

1447
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 3: lane in the prone position. Then you have like that

1448
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 3: proximity which is a little bit higher and allow a

1449
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 3: little bit more of a spread for that round. So

1450
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 3: you have four settings. You have change charges on the

1451
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 3: bottom of the fins of the mortar round so that

1452
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 3: that helps accelerate the round out of the tube. So

1453
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 3: based on the direction distance asthmuth, you know the coordinates

1454
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 3: that we're given by the fos where our target is

1455
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 3: in the open, you can play around with the round.

1456
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 3: And that's why we're able to be so effective with

1457
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 3: these mortar guns is we're able to act shod creep

1458
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 3: our rounds in pretty effectively and quickly. Plus the sixty

1459
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 3: has a kill rads of twenty five meters and anything

1460
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 3: outside of that's still going to hit a shrapnel. So

1461
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 3: you start doing fire for fact, after your fire mission starts,

1462
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 3: you're lobbying like constantly. Two guns set up and you've

1463
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 3: got guys out in the open, and you keep dropping

1464
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 3: rounds every like two three seconds out of those tubes.

1465
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 3: I mean, your your your mission's pretty much over within

1466
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 3: a matter of minutes. So it's it's a pretty effective

1467
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 3: fire system. And I really love being a Mormon at

1468
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 3: indirect fires. Is something special about it and learning how

1469
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 3: to mess with mathematics while you can't see your target

1470
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 3: shooting over a mountain range that's two miles away from you,

1471
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 3: it's pretty cool.

1472
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 4: Wow, it has that kind of a range. Huh.

1473
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to think. Yeah, I think we're around that.

1474
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 3: I think the eighty one mortar is about three and

1475
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 3: a half miles sixties like two. I think it's right

1476
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 3: around two, so a little over two maybe.

1477
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 2: I get Are they both? Are they both three men operated?

1478
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 2: Like the skin? Like, is there which one's the man?

1479
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 3: It's in the sixties, the sixties two man. You have

1480
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,200
Speaker 3: two guns. You have basically two guys on each gun,

1481
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 3: a gunner and an assistant gunner who also does the AMMO.

1482
01:04:57,760 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 3: And then you have your your fire team leader. And

1483
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 3: then you have eighty ones in the platoon, which is

1484
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 3: where I ended up first at four Campbell with the

1485
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 3: battalion mortars. It's a whole platoon. So you have three

1486
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 3: guys per gun. There's four guns in that system, and

1487
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 3: you have an ammialbearer, assistant gunner, and a gunner. And

1488
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 3: the ammalbear is the one that runs out the amy

1489
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:15,479
Speaker 3: polls where we sit in our guns. The assistant gunner

1490
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 3: keeps the gun kind of maintained ready to go, and

1491
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 3: the gunner kind of handles the direction on the site itself,

1492
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 3: the gun's movement traversing the way the gun operates. You know.

1493
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 3: So you have these specific jobs you train for, but

1494
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 3: you also trained for the job above you, and you

1495
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 3: also make sure as an ammal beearer, you know how

1496
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 3: to be an assistant gunner, assistant gunner, be a gunner

1497
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 3: because somebody gets killed in combat. You got to be

1498
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 3: able to operate.

1499
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, you got to do that. You have to know it.

1500
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 4: You have to know it.

1501
01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 2: And that's why SF team's Special Forces guys. They have

1502
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 2: two guys on every a team that is a you know,

1503
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 2: the main radio guy and then a backup radio guy.

1504
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 4: But they all know how to radio.

1505
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 3: They cross train each other and pollinate with each other,

1506
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 3: so they all have the skill sets operate autonomously, which

1507
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 3: that first off that we went on, we had an

1508
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,920
Speaker 3: eighteen I want to say eighteen echo and an eighteen

1509
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 3: I think it's they delta us right the medics. So

1510
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 3: we had those two guys operating with us on our

1511
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 3: team with a CCT guy, so we had this like ifantry,

1512
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 3: you know, team and then these two green berets, and

1513
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 3: we thought that was really cool. They were able to

1514
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:13,640
Speaker 3: break off and kind of co operating by themselves like that,

1515
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 3: and they were really to go do the job they

1516
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 3: had to do. So it was pretty fun to learn

1517
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 3: that stuff.

1518
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 2: You know, I get a lot of guests that come

1519
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 2: on the show that have all written a book or

1520
01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 2: been of doing a movie or you know, something crazy,

1521
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 2: And I think that if you ever wanted to write

1522
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 2: a book, you're You're very well spoken and it would

1523
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 2: probably come across as a good read, and you know,

1524
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:35,440
Speaker 2: you're an enjoyable individual. We have just met just you know,

1525
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 2: we had a brief conversation before the chat about technical

1526
01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:39,920
Speaker 2: issues if we have any, and what we do if

1527
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 2: we fix them, and then we just got off on

1528
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 2: this conversation with the listener and the viewer, and I

1529
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:47,560
Speaker 2: what I aim for This show is to show that.

1530
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 4: You could have people talk from walks of life.

1531
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 2: And not like like be at each other's throats and

1532
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 2: in this society and like we can actually have a conversation.

1533
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 2: I can hear your points, you can hear our points

1534
01:06:58,760 --> 01:07:01,760
Speaker 2: and go back and forth. So you know, I guess

1535
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 2: kindness is infectious. That's kind of what I say. And

1536
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 2: it's okay to be kind and to smile. It makes

1537
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 2: me feel good. You look good when you smile. Okay,

1538
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:13,200
Speaker 2: your beard is definitely you could be in a movie.

1539
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:13,479
Speaker 4: Bro.

1540
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 3: Ohay, brother, I appreciate that.

1541
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 2: I know you're choosing the army right now, but that's

1542
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:20,520
Speaker 2: your new role, right and I want you to be

1543
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 2: the best army person that you can be so they

1544
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 2: can make a Gi Joe action figure out of you.

1545
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:27,680
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. Just be the best you

1546
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 4: can be.

1547
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 3: Bro, And I appreciate that. That's a lot I'm striving

1548
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 3: for every day. And wake it up. I'm gonna be

1549
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 3: ready to go like I've learned it for the first time.

1550
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 3: I think that's the other piece that makes people successful

1551
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 3: in what they're doing is and can you wake up

1552
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 3: and like you're learning all over again and not act

1553
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 3: like you know everything. And then that's to me. I'm

1554
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 3: taking that into the army now to despite my experience

1555
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 3: of my combat time. It's like I'm going into there

1556
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 3: new ready to go, you know. And I think, but

1557
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 3: you said something kindness. I think that's the other piece too.

1558
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 3: It takes an act of will to treat people with

1559
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 3: the respect and kindness. It doesn't matter if you disagree.

1560
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 3: You can have these conversations you can find I think

1561
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 3: we've lost the art of argumentation in our society done

1562
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 3: with each other. That was that was a skill and

1563
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 3: a talent back in the day, and we did that

1564
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,480
Speaker 3: to uplift society as a whole because we are all

1565
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 3: individuals and different and we can bring different perspectives and

1566
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 3: points to the table as long as we have like

1567
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 3: a fundamental baseline of mutual respect, kind of understanding objective truth,

1568
01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 3: and we can find ways to I would say progress society.

1569
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:23,600
Speaker 2: If you could just be open, Yeah, open you to

1570
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 2: be open. I was talking to my friend. It speaks

1571
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 2: five languages. I'm so jealous he speaks He's from Africa.

1572
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, I wish I could speak two fluent languages,

1573
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 2: let alone five fluent life he speaks French. He's from Africa,

1574
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 2: speaks French, speaks, Moroccan speaks, Arabic, speaks like Greek. I'm

1575
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 2: like how he's like, well, where I grew up, it

1576
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 2: was all those languages. Like yeah, so I said, I said,

1577
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 2: I wish people could see me and him talking when

1578
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 2: we talk, like, hey, no one's at each other's throats.

1579
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:55,680
Speaker 2: You know, we're having a good time, and uh, just

1580
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 2: like what we just need.

1581
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 3: It's unproductive. It's unproductive to have a conversation, even if

1582
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 3: you have a thosing views. It's unproductive and it leads nobody.

1583
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 3: It leads people nowhere. And I think again we talked

1584
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:06,600
Speaker 3: to touch on this real quick was that this is

1585
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:08,599
Speaker 3: the reason why I think society's falling apart in its

1586
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 3: own way is because nobody is uniting on any kind

1587
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 3: of common ground, and everybody wants to just be right

1588
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 3: rather than do.

1589
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 2: What's right right and just like and not say, hey,

1590
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 2: you know what, I made a mistake, And we're going

1591
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:21,639
Speaker 2: to say, oh, you're a human.

1592
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,759
Speaker 3: Yep, if you fail, how do you recover from failure

1593
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 3: a success?

1594
01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 4: How can you have success without fail? How could you

1595
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 4: have peace without war?

1596
01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, if you go last thought here,

1597
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 3: if you go into the like, especially in the soft community,

1598
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 3: is being around him and having friends that did it

1599
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:41,640
Speaker 3: my brother. It's they look at you at how you

1600
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:44,599
Speaker 3: respond to failure, not the failure itself. Because we're human,

1601
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 3: We're going to make mistakes. That's how you grow in

1602
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 3: virtue and in strengthen your skill set. Is if I fail,

1603
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:52,600
Speaker 3: how do I react to that stress of failure? And

1604
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 3: am I showcasing my ability to manage and handle the

1605
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 3: stress that comes with it so that they know they

1606
01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 3: could trust me when it comes to the real deal.

1607
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 3: And I think people get caught up in their own

1608
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 3: minds and go, well, when I fail, I am embarrassed.

1609
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 3: I think I look bad and they get upset at

1610
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 3: that and they don't realize, guys, you're gonna everybody's gonna

1611
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 3: fall in their face, especially when you do the hardest

1612
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 3: stuff possible that you're facing your life. I'm about to

1613
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 3: go do some really hard stuff and I'm looking forward

1614
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 3: to the fact that I'm gonna learn through my mistakes

1615
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 3: and I'm never gonna make them again because I'm gonna

1616
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:21,000
Speaker 3: be open to that failure. And I think other people

1617
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 3: can DoPT that into their lives, no matter what they're

1618
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 3: doing in life, business, etc. Can I fail and react

1619
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 3: to it in a way that uplifts the learning that

1620
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:32,519
Speaker 3: I need to have right now to make people realize

1621
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 3: that I'm a trusted source of leadership, of confidence of

1622
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 3: somebody that I can respect, I can emulate and follow.

1623
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 3: And I think the military does a really good job

1624
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 3: at that. And I think civilian world can benefit from

1625
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 3: learning from guys that teach people how to fail and

1626
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 3: fail for fast.

1627
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 2: And is there gonna be anywhere that we can follow

1628
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,240
Speaker 2: along on your journey to see how you do or

1629
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:53,759
Speaker 2: I know you're gonna go clandestine, but like through boot

1630
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 2: camp at least, is there gonna be like photos uploaded

1631
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,160
Speaker 2: like Yo, here's Wiley with a shaved head and beard.

1632
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 4: It's like, who's the baby guy at who is this guy?

1633
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 4: Are you sure he's grandpa?

1634
01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 3: I'm sure he's grandpa. I know this is all coming off.

1635
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 3: And my wife's like, oh my gosh, I have no

1636
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 3: idea what you look like with your head, shave, your

1637
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 3: your gun. But I was like, Okay, well it's gonna

1638
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 3: be for nine weeks and then I get to grow

1639
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:13,799
Speaker 3: my heart back. But the beautiful thing is the groomy

1640
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 3: standards are relaxing in the unit that I'm going to,

1641
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 3: especially when we go overseas. I'm not worried about that

1642
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 3: at all. But I think the recruiting command here in

1643
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 3: Phoenix wants the public affairs guy wants to do another

1644
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 3: couple pieces on following me through my journey. So maybe

1645
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 3: that might be something we can put out.

1646
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And if your guy, if you want to

1647
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:34,600
Speaker 2: share that on softwap dot com on like on a

1648
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 2: blog space, right, I'm sure that we can make something

1649
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 2: like that happen. Or you say, hey, this week's journey

1650
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 2: with Wiley Boom. And if the person, the recruiting retention

1651
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 2: or the recruiting PR person at Arizona wants to reach

1652
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 2: out and collaborate while you're in boot camp, say hey,

1653
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 2: here's the latest on you know, Wiley's updates. He's doing great,

1654
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 2: forty five year old in boot camp. Because I'm a

1655
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:59,240
Speaker 2: big advocate for you choosing to make the choice to

1656
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 2: join the military if you want to. So if someone's

1657
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 2: on the fence about it or they've been thinking you

1658
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 2: should do this, it's like you never know until you

1659
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:09,639
Speaker 2: put your other foot forward and step into the career

1660
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:12,280
Speaker 2: center at the Army and talk to someone who's a

1661
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 2: career counselor who can say, hey, what do you what

1662
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 2: are you stepping in here for?

1663
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 4: You know, we got guns, right, okay? Cool? All right?

1664
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 2: You know we all wear a uniform, right, Okay, Well

1665
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:22,759
Speaker 2: you do what you're told?

1666
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 4: Right, Well, what do you want to be now?

1667
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:26,240
Speaker 2: So it's like, if you want to go check it out,

1668
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 2: I'm a big encouraging memory of that.

1669
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you.

1670
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 3: And the other thing is like I did a video

1671
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 3: for the recruiting Command here, or a really quick video.

1672
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 3: They put it on the DoD's website and it actually

1673
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:39,320
Speaker 3: got onto x or Twitter or whatever you call it.

1674
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 3: And it's amazing the way in which people are viewing

1675
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 3: the military service now as like I got called more names,

1676
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:47,639
Speaker 3: how I'm just going to die for Israel and I'm

1677
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:50,599
Speaker 3: just I'm a trader, you know, on propaganda machine. It's like, guys,

1678
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:53,840
Speaker 3: let's let's let go of this idea that service to

1679
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 3: our country, regardless of what goes on behind the scenes,

1680
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 3: is somehow wrong and not good anymore, because at the

1681
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 3: end of the day, if you don't have a military

1682
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 3: that stands up and protects what it is that we

1683
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:05,599
Speaker 3: at least were founded on what's going.

1684
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 2: To resuve Well, I mean, like World World War two,

1685
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 2: it's very World War two was very much us dying for,

1686
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 2: you know, the freedom of the.

1687
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 4: Jewish people from the Holocaust. So you know, I don't

1688
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 4: think that that's that's that's that's that's been since that's

1689
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:22,920
Speaker 4: a long you know, we went to war.

1690
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm you know what, And again, I honestly,

1691
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 3: God blessed those people. I've responded to some of them

1692
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 3: with just kindness. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there was no reaction,

1693
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:32,639
Speaker 3: and it's amazing how some of them kind of changed

1694
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,400
Speaker 3: their tunes. They're like, hey, we're really sorry I said that.

1695
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 3: Thank you for your service.

1696
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 4: That's right, that's right.

1697
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 3: Reality is like, look, I talked to a guy, you know,

1698
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:40,960
Speaker 3: the other day, a retire commandsers a major and he's like, dude,

1699
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:42,960
Speaker 3: I don't know why people he's like you he's on

1700
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 3: He's like, if you're on the fence, hey, service star

1701
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 3: country is amazing. Still, it's still deciding to do something

1702
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 3: for the greater good. It's deciding to do something bigger

1703
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 3: than yourself, regardless of what maybe political crap and goes

1704
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 3: on in there, because there's always going to be that

1705
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 3: in the military, You're always going to have agendas and

1706
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 3: things and reason why we go fight wars. But do

1707
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:01,479
Speaker 3: you love your nation regardless if she's flawed or not,

1708
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 3: and you want to protect her a d or he didn't.

1709
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 3: If you're on the fence and you feel a poll

1710
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 3: in your heart, don't listen to this feel here and

1711
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 3: go you know what I feel called at least knock

1712
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:10,920
Speaker 3: on the door.

1713
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 4: It does, And that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying.

1714
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 2: And again, you know, so anybody out there that you

1715
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 2: know might be thinking like, oh, you don't want to

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01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 2: defend the people over there, Well we've been doing it already,

1717
01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 2: so you just got to think about you know who

1718
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:28,640
Speaker 2: the real Antifa was. That was my grandpa, my grandpa okay,

1719
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 2: his parents or his grandparents who are Norman dy d Day.

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01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:39,440
Speaker 2: They were fighting anti fascism. Yep, Okay, to me, that's Antifa.

1721
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:44,559
Speaker 2: So boom, I got so many opinions. We've been talking

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01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:46,640
Speaker 2: for so long, like we could just get back and

1723
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 2: forth like I talk about like so many opinions. But listen,

1724
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:53,719
Speaker 2: when you get back from boot, if you are allowed

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01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 2: to come back on the show. I think that's another

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01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 2: way that we can maybe follow your progress.

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01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:00,080
Speaker 4: We got either before picture.

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01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:05,760
Speaker 2: Perfect, and we can bring on the baby picture of

1729
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:10,360
Speaker 2: the other picture and have you back on and maybe saying, hey,

1730
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 2: it really humbled me, or I had a great time,

1731
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 2: or boot camp had more choreography than I expected, you know,

1732
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 2: and it really brought me up to speed. So I've

1733
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:19,920
Speaker 2: really had a great time having you on the show

1734
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 2: talking about all sorts of topics across the spectrum of society,

1735
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 2: just as another dude who's playing contro with each other.

1736
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 2: All right, that's how I want to be. That's it,

1737
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:32,559
Speaker 2: bro That day right there, that is the day exactly right.

1738
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 2: So we're just sitting here talking like that. Yeah, you know,

1739
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:39,479
Speaker 2: I have friends that are different opinions and we're still friends.

1740
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,679
Speaker 3: Yeah. That's how life was long before whatever the last

1741
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 3: twenty years it did to us. So, I mean that's how.

1742
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 4: I grew up. The Internet. Yeah, dude, it's the Internet. Yeah,

1743
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 4: it is the Internet.

1744
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:51,639
Speaker 3: I loved prior to the Internet. You know, you get

1745
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 3: along with anybody from any walk of life. There was

1746
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 3: never any kind of clashing whatsoever. We made fun of

1747
01:15:56,880 --> 01:15:58,720
Speaker 3: each other, regardless of the military was like that when

1748
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 3: I joined. It was everybody made fun of each other,

1749
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:02,880
Speaker 3: no matter what color you were or background you came from.

1750
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 3: We were able to take it as like that's our

1751
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 3: love language. I think people need to get back to

1752
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:09,800
Speaker 3: realizing like being offended is a choice. It really is.

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01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:13,680
Speaker 2: It's yeah, yeah, and you know it's a choice that

1754
01:16:14,040 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 2: both sides should recognize if they choose to make it offense.

1755
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:21,960
Speaker 4: So look, you're welcome back on the show. That was

1756
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 4: a good conversation.

1757
01:16:23,080 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 2: And you know, on behalf of Wiley McGraw and Brandon

1758
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 2: Webb who runs my whole program, and all the people

1759
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,439
Speaker 2: behind the scenes that don't really get to get on

1760
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:34,680
Speaker 2: the camera or you don't hear. Thanks for all your

1761
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 2: help behind the scenes. I'm grateful for it. Thanks for

1762
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 2: you the listener and the viewer and the person who

1763
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 2: spends their hard earned dollars on our merch to help

1764
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:44,560
Speaker 2: keep the fireplace going. That is gas. I got to

1765
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,599
Speaker 2: pay for that. So thank you so much. I appreciate it. Right,

1766
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 2: and the book club, if you could go check out

1767
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:52,400
Speaker 2: the book club, and if Wiley decides to write a book,

1768
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:54,960
Speaker 2: we'll get it in our book club. Okay, So put

1769
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 2: that on your things to do list before you are

1770
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:00,920
Speaker 2: off this earth. Good sir, so I appreciate that. And

1771
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:04,400
Speaker 2: to your wife also salute to her for taking on

1772
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 2: your ambitions and showing you that she's going to support you,

1773
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 2: because yeah, best of luck to you, sir. Thank you, brother,

1774
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 2: appreciate it all right, And this is rad saying peace.

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Speaker 1: You've been listening to self red Radia