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Speaker 1: It was a fall Saturday in Knoxville, Tennessee. Police get

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Speaker 1: a call that a body has been found in a

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Speaker 1: secluded area at a dead ended road at Hoyt Avenue

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Speaker 1: and Boon Street. The body of Jennifer Leanne Law was found.

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Speaker 1: Jennifer was a twenty four year old mother, wife, sister,

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Speaker 1: and daughter. Her body had been partially burned. September fifteenth,

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Speaker 1: two thousand and seven. The clock started on this murder.

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Speaker 1: The first forty eight came and went. First, seventy two

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Speaker 1: came and went, no arrest, no suspects named. Tonight, we

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Speaker 1: are joined by Jennifer's daughter, Sierra Law. She has been

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Speaker 1: searching for answers for ai eighteen years. Sierra, welcome to

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Speaker 1: Zoe seven.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me tonight.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you something, Honey, eighteen years is

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Speaker 1: a long time without answers.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes it is.

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Speaker 1: Tell us what you remember about your mama.

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Speaker 2: She was very, very loving. She was always about us.

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Speaker 2: She always had a smile on her face and full

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Speaker 1: So there's three girls, and I know she was crazy

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Speaker 1: about y'all.

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Speaker 2: Yes, she loved us so dearly. She revolved everything around us.

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Speaker 1: I saw one interview where you were talking about how

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Speaker 1: she's a doll. Y'all up, I could see that in

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Speaker 1: my head. I mean, three little girls and just precious.

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Speaker 1: I mean I know that she spent every time she

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Speaker 1: had just letting y'all just be adorable and cute and

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Speaker 1: dressed to the nines.

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Speaker 2: She did.

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Speaker 1: Now, the night before you and your dad and your

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Speaker 1: sisters went to the fair, but your mama didn't go.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's correct.

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Speaker 1: Do you know why that was or what was going on?

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Speaker 2: So my mother and my father were actually married, but separate,

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Speaker 2: so they weren't not together at the time of My

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Speaker 2: dad actually had custody of us.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Well, your mom had some issues. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's no if the answer. But she was an addict.

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Speaker 1: I mean she had that disease where she just could

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Speaker 1: not get that monkey off her back.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, no matter how hard she tried, she just

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Speaker 2: couldn't break away from it.

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Speaker 1: And I know people have told you this, but I

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Speaker 1: want it stated and I want it clear. It had

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with how much she loved y'all. No,

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Speaker 1: not at all, And what type of addiction did she have?

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Speaker 2: So she pretty much was down with anything and everything

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Speaker 2: she could get her hands on. There's pretty much nothing

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Speaker 2: she would turn down.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So she's playing the game at a level that

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Speaker 1: very few people understand. And with that comes other issues.

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Speaker 1: So was there any prostitution in her background? Did she

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Speaker 1: have a pimp? Did she have a regular dealer? Did

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Speaker 1: she have a criminal record where she shoplifted or did

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Speaker 1: anything for money that so she could get her next yet?

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Speaker 2: Yes, So she did prostitute. She wasn't known prostitute. She

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Speaker 2: did have a long rhaps she I couldn't even tell

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Speaker 2: you everything that she's done, but it was.

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Speaker 1: Extended, okay. And there's some folks on the street that

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Speaker 1: know her, yes, very much so, and they knew her

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Speaker 1: as Pocahontas.

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Speaker 2: Pocahontas or lemn or Leanne.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So I heard that she had a regular dealer

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Speaker 1: that went by the name of Black, Yes, ma'am. Is

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Speaker 1: he known to law enforcement?

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Speaker 2: He wasn't. But I think as of recently we have

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Speaker 2: kinda hit in that area a little bit and have

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Speaker 2: kind of got a clue to as who he could be.

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Speaker 2: And we don't think he has anything to do with this.

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Speaker 1: Okay, understood, But it blows my mind when you've got somebody.

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Speaker 1: I mean, your mom was able to find him. Other

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Speaker 1: people knew who he was. He was a businessman, and

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Speaker 1: in law enforcement doesn't know him like that is shocking

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Speaker 1: to me. I mean, Knoxville ain't that big. And if

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Speaker 1: you've got somebody running a pretty decent way to something,

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Speaker 1: typically law enforcement knows who they are. Yeah, you would think, yeah, okay.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: The reason I was most interested in him was not

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Speaker 1: But he would know her. He would know if she

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Speaker 1: She was on Boone Street all the time. And that's

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Speaker 1: what I was trying to get at that anybody that

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Speaker 1: you regularly meet up with, they know how you contact them,

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Speaker 1: they know where you're at when y'all meet up.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and with her, she could have possibly had more

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Speaker 2: than one dealer. I know for a fact that her

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Speaker 2: at the time boyfriend was involved with dealing drugs as well.

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Speaker 1: With your mama's rap sheet, what did it consist of?

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Speaker 1: Mostly if you know.

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Speaker 2: I would say many of times it was probably theft

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Speaker 2: or shoplifting. A lot of it, probably how to do

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Speaker 1: Was your dad aware of all of it, Yes, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Do you know if she had regular John's or if

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Speaker 1: she just walked part of the track as they call

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Speaker 2: So I do think that she probably did have regulars,

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Speaker 2: but a lot of times she was known to take

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Speaker 2: off walking and to certain areas.

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Speaker 1: She and your dad were separated, but she had a boyfriend,

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Speaker 1: and he would not cooperate with law enforcement. No, he wouldn't. Okay,

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Speaker 1: he didn't want to help at all.

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Speaker 2: No, as far as I understand, he wouldn't have anything

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Speaker 1: What do you know about him? You don't have to

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Speaker 1: name him, but just what do you know about him?

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Speaker 2: Well, I have some papers here. So actually, the year

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Speaker 2: after her death, in two thousand and eight, he was

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Speaker 2: actually sentenced to prison. One hundred and thirty four months

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Speaker 2: was his prison term, and it was actually for he

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Speaker 2: was working with the doctor and the doctor was writing

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Speaker 2: prescriptions and he was having other people feeling feeling them

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Speaker 2: and he was paying the doctor in exchange for drugs.

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Speaker 1: Okay, one hundred and thirty four months, yes, ma'am. So

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Speaker 1: that's like eleven years, give or take.

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Speaker 2: Yes. Now he got out in twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So he's out now. He didn't go back to

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Speaker 2: No, he's out right now.

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Speaker 1: And you've never had an opportunity to speak to him. No,

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Speaker 1: I haven't. He's still live in the same town he does. Now,

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Speaker 1: your mama had a sister and she saw her that night.

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Speaker 1: What if anything has she told you? What does she remember?

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Speaker 2: So from that night, I had been told that she

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Speaker 2: was actually supposed to go meet up with her at

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Speaker 2: the tomboyfriend. She was supposed to go meet him for

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Speaker 2: an ID because she was going to go out for

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Speaker 2: her birthday next the next day. So she was supposedly

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Speaker 2: seen last walking off by her to meet him, or

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Speaker 2: possibly even getting into a car.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but they don't know what type of car. There's

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Speaker 1: there's some confusion there, like the eyewitnesses have opposite memories.

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Speaker 2: So that day she couldn't really recall.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So her birthday to me is kind of a

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Speaker 1: good clue. I mean, it would make sense to me

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Speaker 1: if your birthday's coming up and this was a Saturday

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely, you want to go out, you want

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Speaker 2: to go party and celebrate.

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Speaker 1: So when they found your mother being partially burned is

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Speaker 1: significant to me. Arson is almost always to cover up

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Speaker 1: another crime. Do you know exactly where she was burned

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so she was actually burned, just wasted down.

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Speaker 1: So you're talking about sexual assault, which is what anybody

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Speaker 1: would have already figured out. So this tells me in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and seven that person was under standing DNA.

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Speaker 1: But on top of the ARSON, on top of her

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Speaker 1: being partially burned, she had bruises on her face, her arms,

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Speaker 1: cause of death was strangulation. So kind of on the surface,

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Speaker 1: it sounds like a jahn, doesn't it. Yeah, of course definitely.

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Speaker 1: But then you have a twist at the end of

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Speaker 1: Boon Street, as the crow flies, there's a house that

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Speaker 1: you're familiar.

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Speaker 3: With, Yes, ma'am, who's that The house was my grandmother's

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Speaker 3: and she have lived there previously, and it was abandoned

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Speaker 3: at the time on my mother's murder.

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Speaker 1: But she would know that house, Yes, very familiar with it,

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Speaker 1: and other family members would know the house. So that

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Speaker 1: kind of opens your suspect pull up a little bit

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Speaker 1: that it could be. Obviously, you got to look at

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Speaker 1: the boyfriend, you got to look at the estranged husband.

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Speaker 1: You got to look at an unknown john. And now

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Speaker 1: you've got another family member that could have gotten angry

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Speaker 1: and got into a fight with her, beat her up,

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Speaker 1: strangled her, and freaked out. Did they have any other

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Speaker 1: evidence of a sexual assault, meaning was she knude from

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Speaker 1: the waist down? Was she clothed? Was there any I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I guess injuries that they could tell occurred.

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Speaker 2: I am not one hundred percent sure on that, but

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Speaker 2: I do believe they think that she was sexually assaulted,

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Speaker 2: and I just want to go ahead and durl this

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Speaker 2: in there. I also believe that because after my mother

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Speaker 2: was murdered, we would often put stuff out there, and

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Speaker 2: I have a piece that was vandalized and it alludes

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Speaker 2: to the fact of being assaulted.

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Speaker 1: Oh, sexually. Okay, you have something that someone wrote on

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Speaker 2: Not as of recently. I brought it up before and

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Speaker 2: the previous detective just dismissed it. But the newest detective

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Speaker 1: I'm one of those people everything matters until you know

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Speaker 1: why it doesn't. So I'm glad they're looking at it.

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Speaker 1: What are police telling you about the case and where

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Speaker 1: it is now? Are they giving you any information?

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Speaker 2: Yes, so they are, I know that right now. I

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Speaker 2: do know they are keeping surveillance on certain people. I

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Speaker 2: know they are pulling in certain people for interviews, and

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Speaker 2: as well they have distributed like playing cards with her

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Speaker 2: that could be given information out.

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Speaker 1: I love that program. I think it's fantastic. I think

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Speaker 1: it's good that you know things that are not out there.

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Speaker 1: I think it's even better that you know to keep

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Speaker 1: your mouth shut, because if law enforcement is playing this

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Speaker 1: close to the vest and they get some information that

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Speaker 1: has not been released, then they know that's a solid yes, exactly, Yes, okay, excellent,

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Speaker 1: all right. So did your dad or your aunt ever

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Speaker 1: have a suspect Like do they ever say to you

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Speaker 1: when you got a little bit older, don't go around

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Speaker 1: so and so I don't trust them or anything like that.

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Speaker 2: I've just always heard to be weary of the ATA

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Speaker 2: time boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: What that makes sense? I mean in a lot of ways,

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Speaker 1: you know, just on the surface, even I probably wouldn't

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Speaker 1: know how he and your mom met the boyfriend. Now,

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Speaker 1: I don't do you have any suspects?

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Speaker 2: Did give them one suspect, and I think it could

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Speaker 2: be a distant relative that is in the family, And

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Speaker 2: that's all I want to say about that.

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Speaker 1: Okay, But they would know grandma's house too, Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: they would, Okay, all right. I believe the killer knew

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Speaker 1: her and the area. I think that area is too small. Typically,

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Speaker 1: I believe the person that killed her understood DNA, and

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Speaker 1: Now, do you know if there's any programs in Knoxville

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Speaker 2: And I do believe that someone out there does have

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Speaker 1: Again, getting the playing cards in the jail, that's a program.

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Speaker 2: I'm definitely I agree.

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Speaker 1: The one person that had direct contact with her and

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like every time there's a new detective

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Speaker 2: I know that the first original detective he didn't stick

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Speaker 1: Is your father still living yes? Is your aunt still living? Yes? Okay,

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Speaker 2: All of them?

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Speaker 1: All of them but your mom, yes, ma'am. Wow. And

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Speaker 1: Did your grandparents ever suspect somebody or we're fearful of anybody?

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Speaker 2: So my grandfather actually passed away before my mom and

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Speaker 1: So we keep coming back to him, Yes, yeah, okay.

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Speaker 1: And to your knowledge, they have not reached back out

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Speaker 1: Did he marry or does he have children? Yes?

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Speaker 2: So I did see recently he has remarried.

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Speaker 1: Does he have children? Yes? What is it that you

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Speaker 2: I just want them to keep in mind that my

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Speaker 1: Do you think her background stalled the case a little bit?

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Speaker 1: Do you think law enforcement took it as seriously as

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So I believe that because of her background it

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Speaker 1: And you know that always blows my mind because again,

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Speaker 1: I know how much you loved her. I know how

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Speaker 1: All right, Sarah, I'm going to give you the last word.

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Speaker 2: I am asking anyone if a seen, heard, or even

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you, we're going to stay on this

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Speaker 2: I've actually been now that you mention it, I've actually

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Speaker 2: if you know if that is tell everybody, honey, it's

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Speaker 4: And so that's where they would take a DNA and

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Speaker 1: I think we know some people, so I think I

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Speaker 1: if we can't work that out. So even though it's

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Speaker 1: I love it, Sarah, So that sounds like a good

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Speaker 1: It's an important one and your honesty and your love

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Speaker 1: to work, honey, sounds great, y'all. I'm going to end

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